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Speaker 1: M mm hmmm mm hm mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back all the smoke, New York City Jackets, cold

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Speaker 2: as a motherfucker and there was some extra lotion on it.

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Speaker 2: Keep the ash away, man today we got a good

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Speaker 2: one man, one of the ogs in the game, someone

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Speaker 2: I've always looked up to. H from afar uh Man,

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Speaker 2: Rod Strickland.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate having appreciate you, my guy.

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Speaker 2: So currently head coach at l I U in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: How did that come about it? How's that been going?

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Speaker 3: It was weird because it came kind of overnight.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was working for the NBA G League, uh,

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Speaker 3: I was there for what two maybe two two.

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Speaker 4: An avenue out there on the West Coast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, I first was here in New York in

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Speaker 3: and so I was there every day, but traveling recruiting,

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Speaker 3: kind of like if l I you would you be

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Speaker 3: interested in Long Island University and coaching had been in

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Speaker 3: to be in five years? And you know, I wasn't

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Speaker 3: let me, let me go ahead and explore this opportunity,

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Speaker 3: had a conversation, sat down with the president, and I

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Speaker 3: So it was wild because when it happened, I got

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Speaker 3: at that time. So I just kind of jumped in

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Speaker 3: but I said I'm gonna go for it, and so

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Speaker 3: funny because I had to stand in front of these

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Speaker 3: but probably more for those young guys. So, h that

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Speaker 3: it's a process, you know, going from I'm like an

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Speaker 3: You know, I was an assistant coach in college obviously,

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Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So now I'm playing with guys or or or that

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Speaker 3: I'm rod Strictland. I'm pushing them like that's like a ghost,

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Speaker 3: you know. So like it was even unfair for them. Uh.

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Speaker 3: But the guys are fighting, you know now with two

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Speaker 3: You know, but we've we've had injuries. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 3: Then we got healthy.

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Speaker 6: One of the coaches, I went out there a little

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Speaker 6: bit a little half court, a little half court on offense,

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Speaker 6: you know, but I'm but you know, I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a challenge, it's a process. You know,

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Speaker 3: we got to keep growing. You know, this is a process.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna be overnight. If you're not patient, you

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Speaker 2: So I get a chance to coach in the summer.

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Speaker 2: I coach my kids AU team. And something I've known

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Speaker 2: about this younger this next group is communication is key.

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Speaker 2: Like we used to have coaches that would yell, cut screen, whatever,

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Speaker 4: These kids aren't like that.

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Speaker 2: What is the biggest difference you feel like in the Hoopers? Jesus,

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Speaker 2: I feel like they're highly skilled, but I feel like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's where I kind of confused, right, The

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Speaker 3: I'll say for me, like I know when I was

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Speaker 3: So I learned from day one, I'll never forget if

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Speaker 3: you better give him the ball, right. And there were

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Speaker 3: And if I didn't come perform, others performed, and then

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Speaker 3: We give it too soon now, right, And then sometimes

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Speaker 3: I don't think young people understand that you got to

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Speaker 3: And I've been in college basketball, so I've seen it.

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Speaker 3: you got to go through adversity. I went through adversity

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Speaker 3: Think about it in fourth fifth grade, they think they prosed,

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Speaker 3: Well that makes it even worse. But we didn't have well,

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Speaker 3: I know my parents, my mother and father didn't come

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Speaker 3: it's a whole different agenda in mindset, and even adults,

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Speaker 3: you know, think about it. Well. I know when I

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Speaker 3: I'm the best coach. But now you got all these

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Speaker 3: and everything is just different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you spoke to five six years kind of your

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Speaker 2: And if you do, is it coaching, is it management

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Speaker 3: I always felt like it's basketball period. Like I love basketball,

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Speaker 3: and I think I've had so much experiences, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think if you look at my resume, like as

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Speaker 3: a player, as a college coach, won a national title.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been around the top players, whether it's Memphis, Kentucky,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm a coach now, So I feel like I

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Speaker 3: because of the experience and the knowledge and you know,

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Speaker 3: I think I can touch anything. So I just I

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Speaker 3: keep growing. You know, I feel like I'm you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm fifty seven years old, and I'm lucky because I'm

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Speaker 3: and I think I've set myself up, even through the

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Speaker 3: adversity and everything, I've set myself up to have opportunities.

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Speaker 3: And I don't even know if I knew I would

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Speaker 4: That speaks to the person you are, though. I mean

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Speaker 4: we say that a lot too.

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Speaker 7: You know, we wasn't the guys in the league similar

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Speaker 7: to you, that was all over the commercials, that was

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Speaker 7: winning all awards, but the people we all allowed us

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Speaker 7: this space. Now you know what I'm saying, So that

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Speaker 7: says a lot about the person.

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Speaker 3: And I don't mean to cut you up, but you

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Speaker 3: know what, I think people understand authenticity, right even if

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Speaker 7: You know Mitchell Projects, the Bronx seventies and eighties, watching

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Speaker 4: What was that like growing up?

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Speaker 3: Man? It was great. It was a fun time. Like

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Speaker 7: but it wouldn't have benefited.

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00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 3: But the funny thing, you know, Uh, Coach Smith wasn't

436
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 3: a head coach when I was there. Who was the

437
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 3: sister called Larry Davids Okay, and I couldn't stand him. Yeah,

438
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 3: so I'll never forget like you can have Coach Smith.

439
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: Coach Smith was my head coach because I wouldn't.

440
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 4: Listen to yeah.

441
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so coach would have to like tell Rod like

442
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it was seriously like that. I didn't like

443
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 3: him at all. Coach Smith is the guy though, that's

444
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: my guy. If it one for him, I wouldn't.

445
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 2: Tell him to run this play not that play.

446
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah it was it was yeah.

447
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, Coach Smit is the guy and it makes sense

448
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 7: why he took over and had some give me your

449
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 7: okay'll starting five all time tough. That's super tough.

450
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 3: That's tough. You know, Uh, that's tough. I'm not even

451
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 3: putting me in.

452
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 7: They don't do it. Then, all right, you got to

453
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 7: it's foreign names that have to be on the list.

454
00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 3: Well it's called mellow Is Durant. I'll put myself. But

455
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: it's hard after that because I gotta think now, like

456
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, you got to give me some name.

457
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 3: I can't like think I know those three right away.

458
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 3: And I got like, I love Rondo, Like I'm the

459
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: biggest Rondo fan ever.

460
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 7: You only can go Rondo to me at okill Ron Mercer.

461
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 7: They was crazy stuff.

462
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: So and then I don't know stack play. Well, that's hard.

463
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 3: That's like talking about New York, you know what I mean.

464
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: And I hate getting into that because I forget guys.

465
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know what I mean, so many yourself,

466
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: Like it's just so many.

467
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 7: I put myself. I put myself like seven to eight.

468
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 7: I'm real with myself, you know what I'm saying myself,

469
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 7: like seven eight, yeah, come off, Yeah, to put yourself

470
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 7: in the top, because because you got to look, it's

471
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 7: just heat. One of those two of those teams went

472
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 7: undefeata okill and.

473
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 4: That was Curtis Steak was in junior borrow on them.

474
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 7: They went underfeed. You know what I'm saying. So you

475
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 7: know I'm like that too. They had a lot of success.

476
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: Okay, but you're talking about players though we told individually.

477
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, Dupaus made Sweet sixteen twice two times.

478
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 7: I waited sixteen two time All American. I know a

479
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 7: couple of people went to the par but was I'm

480
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 7: pretty sure it was different from when Quinn Richdon and

481
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 7: Bobby Simmonson and was there.

482
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 4: What was it like at your time at DEPA.

483
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: Man, the Paul was Chicago like when I was. The

484
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: Paul was big time, Like you know, I go back

485
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: and I think about it, like we could rival with

486
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: the bulls, like you know, the Paul was it. I

487
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: don't think people remember that. Uh, but the Paul was.

488
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: It was a great time man like that. That was

489
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: the moment I realized I can hoop, Like I mean,

490
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 3: who get to the next level. I'll never forget. Oh no,

491
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: it might have been the fifth sixth game we playing Georgetown. Uh,

492
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: and I go in the lane and show it. Use

493
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: the next hand, lay up the big and you know,

494
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 3: Al McGuire was like a star is born, and I

495
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: was like, wow, you know how you ready to go

496
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: back and watch the game. So I'm sitting there and

497
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 3: that's when I because I never forget joy maya God blessed.

498
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: Just past he brought me in my roommate in Terrence Green,

499
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 3: and he was telling us how we could be, you know,

500
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: like the best combo that's been here. Like he was

501
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: pumping us up. And I remember walking out of there,

502
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: but I didn't get it right because I was weird,

503
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: like I didn't like look at myself like everybody else

504
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: looked at me. And so when he said that, I

505
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 3: still felt I had work to do. But then when

506
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: I heard Al maguire say that, and I was like, okay,

507
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: you know, let's do it. And it was just a

508
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: great time. We went there a couple of sweet sixteens,

509
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: well a few, but I'll never forget this my last

510
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: not my last game, but my sophomore year we played

511
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: against LSU. This was like the turning point for me.

512
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: We play LSU and it's a guy named Daryl Joe.

513
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: I'll never forget his name. I always wish he played

514
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: in the NBA because he embarrassed me so much, like defensively,

515
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: he was like a defensive guy. He was bumping me,

516
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: bullying me, like made me look real bad, like soft.

517
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: And I'll never forget that from that day, from that game.

518
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: The next year, I ate weights like I was like,

519
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm never letting that happen again ever. But I wanted

520
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: to play against him again so bad, like to this day.

521
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: Like you know, that's like the one thing because it

522
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: was on national TV. He walked out of there, talk

523
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: shit in papers, you know and all that, but that

524
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: was that that moment, you know what I mean. So

525
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: De Paul was special?

526
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: Can basketball?

527
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: I can? I can? I don't know, like but I can't.

528
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 7: Well I'm the reason why I'm asking because I'm thinking

529
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 7: you have to with all that ball control.

530
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, it wasn't that. Like it's so funny, man,

531
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: you know, I watched so much. Was Doctor J. Like

532
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: I was the biggest. It was Doctor J. Magic if

533
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: they played against each other, I was Doctor J. Other

534
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: than that, I'm Magic Johnson. But I always watched and

535
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: George Garfin you know, the flips and all that, and

536
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: I always had that in my in my head and

537
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be like that and magic with

538
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: the pass and all that. So I kind of just

539
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: study those guys and then you know, back then, right,

540
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: you don't have trainers that are telling you what to do,

541
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: how to move, like what foot to move. You didn't

542
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: have that, So your imagination. So I go out there

543
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: and now I'm on the basket just throwing the ball

544
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: up different angles. Now I get in like pickup games

545
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: and I'm trying different things, you know, And so what

546
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: I saw on TV, I used my imagination and I

547
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: made in mind. But it wasn't like you know, people

548
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: talk about can you teach all that? I don't know

549
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: if you can teach all that, I think I think

550
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: a lot of you look at Kyrie, I think a

551
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 3: lot out of that is imagination. You got to have

552
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: a certain imagination. If you listen to him talk like

553
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: that's different. It's another little level.

554
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: So Kyrie Irving being your god. Some what impresses you

555
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: the most about his game on.

556
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: The court, I mean his imagination, Like that's I always

557
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: like tell young people that, like you gotta watch things

558
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: and then you got it, like that's that's the Those

559
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: are the best players, you know. But his skill set.

560
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if we've ever you know,

561
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: I have to go to Isaiah Thomas, But have we

562
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: ever seen someone that can handle the ball like that?

563
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: And then it's a little different because like, like I

564
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: was a ball handler off of instincts, So I come

565
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: at you real hard that I can react, but he's

566
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: playing with you didn't react, you know what I mean.

567
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: Like that's different. You know, so it's kind of street ball,

568
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: and but he's but it's a method to the madness,

569
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It ain't just he's not

570
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: just doing that, you know. And if you listen to

571
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: him talk, you know, his mind is crazy and his

572
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: mind is just different. His imagination, I mean, if you

573
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: listen to talk about anything, his thought process is different.

574
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: How did the friendship with his father come about?

575
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you know Dedrick since third grade? Okay, you

576
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like third grade and we grew

577
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: up through the gauchos and all that.

578
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: You know.

579
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, did you ever spend time with like Kyrie as

580
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 7: like as a pro in recent years, like working out on.

581
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: Moves and that's that's like like he was born and

582
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: embedded with that, you know, through Pops and you know,

583
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: like he was there. No, that's all Kyrie is.

584
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 7: Well maybe maybe I'm saying that because he got so

585
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 7: much of you in his game and you being his godfather,

586
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 7: it's hard not to see.

587
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: Well you see it, you can't. I mean, there's inspirations

588
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: like I talk about tiny and all that, like give

589
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: a chance to see to be able to know someone

590
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: was done what you're trying to do. And there's video,

591
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, So like there's there's that.

592
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: I think people forget about that part of it right right,

593
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: you don't actually have to be there right to inspire

594
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: or to help somebody, you know what I mean. When

595
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: I was coaching in college with with you know, the

596
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: d Rose and the John Wallas, it wasn't about being

597
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: on the court, you know. It was like the conversations

598
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: or what they saw like so it ain't always you

599
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean, what.

600
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: Did you see?

601
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean speaking of those two, what did you see

602
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: out of those two at that young college age that

603
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: that that you knew it at that time?

604
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: You like, you know, like people, I don't know, I

605
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: think people take too much credit for people's success, you

606
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like they walked in there like

607
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: that that's why, you know what I mean? They walked

608
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: like you don't they you know, sometimes we all I

609
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: did this and that. They walked in like that. A

610
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: lot of times it's the conversation, right, It's helping them

611
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: get from that point to the next point. How do

612
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: you get out of college?

613
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: Right?

614
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: And I remember telling them like, this will be the

615
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: hardest part of your basketball life because you know you

616
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: got caw somebody who's on you. But you're not gonna

617
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: get that in the league. But if you can deal

618
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: with that now, you know what I mean. So it's

619
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: more conversation getting them from point A to point B.

620
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: Like de Rose and nobody teach him, at least from college.

621
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: John wall Ain't nobody teaching him that Tyreek Evans, you know,

622
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: like that's.

623
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: Tyreek Evans cold. I just seen someone in another day.

624
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how he cast out the league. He

625
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: was cold and being strong too. He came and got

626
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year and just maybe it was being

627
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: in Sacramento washed him out. The euro step, Uh, you

628
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: remember you're in the nineties and getting called for travel.

629
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: They wasn't really ready for you audience.

630
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: Well, we euro stepped and they hit it. I don't

631
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: even think it's I mean I could. I got a

632
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: video of that of US euro Step you know, uh

633
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: you know signing times. Man, it's just errors, like people

634
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: don't know what they don't know, you know, have to

635
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: like what in about for me, probably in about five

636
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: ten years for y'all, probably fifteen twenty years, they're gonna

637
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: forget about off you know what I'm saying, Like they

638
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: don't you know.

639
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: They don't care about history now because they don't.

640
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: Think like that. Like we watched I knew all the

641
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: old players. I knew what they did, you know, the

642
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: Pete marriage is all them, like I knew, But they don't.

643
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: It's what's going on now, and they put whoever's doing

644
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: what they're doing now. But if you go back all

645
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: this stuff, you'll see it.

646
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: The game was a lot different when you first came

647
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: in the game with the hand checks in the you know,

648
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: the freedom of or the lack of freedom of movement.

649
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: What do you feel like you could have.

650
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: Done with the rules where they allowed kind of freedom

651
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: of movement, especially with how creative you were.

652
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: I mean I always I always talk about that. I

653
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: mean the game is wide open. You can't touch anyone,

654
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: So me being an aggressive driver, like I'm gonna run

655
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: up your chest and I'm gonna I'm a free bake game.

656
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna make baskets with the contact because that's

657
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: what I've grown to be. And then with the IQ,

658
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: if I get in the middle, I'm gonna make the

659
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: right reads.

660
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: You know.

661
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: And we talk about three point shooting. You work on

662
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: that and you don't have to always be that. Everybody

663
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: thinks you have to be that, but you can make

664
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: an impact John Mors and now the super three point shooters, right,

665
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: So you can make an impact, you know, IQ knowing

666
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: how to run a team score time. You know, we

667
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: forgot about all that. But I just think my skill

668
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 3: set of just IQ and the fact that I'm going

669
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: to penetrate like I'm getting by you, and once I

670
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: get I'm getting by you. So once I get by you,

671
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: I have the ability to make that right play.

672
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, makes me even more dangerous.

673
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 7: Nineteenth picking eighty eight drafted by the Knicks, d to

674
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 7: the Knicks, Danny Mann and Rick miss Richmond, Dan.

675
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: Marley, my guy, that was a nice class. Talk about

676
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: the year.

677
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, decent class. No, I mean I got drafted by

678
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: the Knicks team home team, but I wasn't excited and

679
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: I didn't know, like I was told I was gonna

680
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: go somewhere between seven and fifteen. And the Seattle SuperSonics

681
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: told my agent that if I was at fifteen, they

682
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: were taking me. So you know, I was nervous because

683
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: my my college coach, Jordy Meyer, called me and told

684
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: me I was dropping in draft. So I think it

685
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: was Boston and the Lakers. They always had the last

686
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: two picks, so one of them called them, and so

687
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 3: I'm like nervous because you know, you get to that

688
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: point you could slip to the second round. I never

689
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: expected the next to draft me. And then they drafted

690
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: uh uh. You know they had Mark from the prior year,

691
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: so I'm thinking, I'm looking at the board and I'm like,

692
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: I'm going late. So when they picked me, I was

693
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: surprised and I got booed like in New York, which

694
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: is crazy.

695
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: Not to catch you up that Mark say he was

696
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: mad they drafted him. We had Mark on the show.

697
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: Did he didn he say? Was he yeah like that?

698
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? He wasn't fuck with it.

699
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah he wouldn't say that back then. Mark is my guy.

700
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't like that, you know

701
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: what I mean. I'm a rookie and he was. But

702
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: I wish it was too early for that time. Like

703
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: they would put me and Mark in the game. They

704
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: would put us in the game at times, and we

705
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 3: would turn the guarden out, you know, but at that time,

706
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: two point guards, they weren't doing that. They weren't ready

707
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 3: for that. I wish we could have done that more

708
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: because we would have been really good. But that was

709
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: a clash, like that was hard, right, and me and

710
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: Mark always held respect for each other. And Mark could

711
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: tell you this. I tried to fight Mark one day practice.

712
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 3: We talk about it, We laugh about it all the time.

713
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: Like I was mad one day. I just was frustrated,

714
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: and every time he tried to come off the balls screen,

715
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: I was just hitting them like I just was, you know.

716
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: But we talk about it all the time. But Mark

717
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: is my guy, got utmost respectful and what he did

718
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: was he was professional, and I struggled with that right,

719
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: So that was kind of a difference, you know what

720
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: I mean. But I like Mark, Mark the way he

721
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: carried himself. Uh, you know, Mark has the ability to

722
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: make everyone think they're better than they are, you know

723
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like like, yeah, you see what he

724
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: did as a culture at Golden State, but he also

725
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: did that as a player. So I got like the

726
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: utmost from my guy.

727
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 5: Then the next like try like two point guards again

728
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 5: before that with like tiny Archibald who was firing ice.

729
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: No, you're talking about Fraser and Pearl Pearl more so, Yeah,

730
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: they didn't try they did.

731
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 4: That was it? That was it?

732
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they won the championship like that was that was

733
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: the deal?

734
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: That won't work? But did they keep trying to repeat that?

735
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: Like no, they didn't. They wouldn't. They didn't know that

736
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 3: was it? Like that was a you know, like outline.

737
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: That was just different, you know. And I think Clyve

738
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: was about six four. I think I think he was

739
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: somewhere around there, which makes it a little different, you

740
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: know what I mean? You know what I mean, made a.

741
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: Little difference point guard and shooting guard.

742
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I made a little Differently. What was the state

743
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 7: of the league when you arrived. M J was becoming

744
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 7: a star. Commercial flights, people smoking newports on the plane.

745
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: With no no me too much. Let you do that,

746
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: you know what, you know what you might be right, right,

747
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 3: my bad. Some resident that.

748
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: Ain't what you might be?

749
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 5: What's going on?

750
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 4: When we was flying in Indiana to road games, Donny

751
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: Washington the back of the Yes, yes, the whole team.

752
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: You want to play squares.

753
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: In the air. So I'll take that back. You might be.

754
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why you're right. So when I

755
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: first got in the league, you know, there was beers

756
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: in the locker roll, so we would we would grab

757
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: a six pas and going to shower after the game.

758
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

759
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: You know, if it's after game we're in New York,

760
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 3: I can go out, you know, and I think Doug

761
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: West had a car accident and down or d u

762
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 3: I something uh, And then they shut that down, which rightfully,

763
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: but you know, on the plane and everything at that time,

764
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: I don't just you right though, you're right.

765
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, cigarettes, we got a little residuce, Yeah, little flipp

766
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 8: thing on the arm, you can flip the little I like.

767
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I ain't gonna gonna take

768
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: that one.

769
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: Hip hop be mentioned in a lot of different songs.

770
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: I'm I'm seeing you, not saying you read you a

771
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: couple of lyrics. Guarantee me guaranteed to make him jump

772
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: like Strickly, I'm not a rapper, bro wou tang straight

773
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: to the whole like Rod Strickland. It was taking a

774
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: toe d m X rest in peace, my man Kelly

775
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: from Garvin Rod Strickland Wu Tang and the plot is

776
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: sticking in on a point like Rod Strickland onyx uh.

777
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: I mean as a hooper, it's the ultimate. You know,

778
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: they mirror each other, hooping, hooping and music mirror each other.

779
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: So what was it like when you started getting shout outs?

780
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: It's crazy, Like if you really go look at it,

781
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: it's a lot of them. It's a lot. And when

782
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: I understood that, I was like, wow, like that's big time.

783
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: And then the ultimate one is you know the Wu

784
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 3: tang like ending the song. You know, that's forever and

785
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: that's a big time song. So definitely, like aren't it

786
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: blessed and all that, you know, the Wu Tang and

787
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: then one of the greatest songs like with your name.

788
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: Are you related to the street stuff? I'm in the

789
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 4: street bar of Strickland.

790
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: No, John Strickland, Yeah, yeah, he was, Yeah, he was nice.

791
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: He was funny as I don't know what too, but nah,

792
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: it was nice. Yes, he was IQ, yeah.

793
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 7: Exactly, c exactly, traded from New York to San Antonio

794
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 7: two years in. I had my own experience, but I

795
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 7: know it was different. What was your experience like in

796
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 7: San Antonio with Dave Robinson and that Brown?

797
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: How can I say that because I got to take

798
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: a lot of heat on that. I mean, they're different.

799
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: You know, Dave Sean were kind of upstanding individuals and

800
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: I probably was the wild child, you know, I know

801
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: that very well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like

802
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 3: we had a really good team. We were off to

803
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: a really good start, and then I got into an

804
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: incident and broke my hand and that kind of was

805
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: the downfall, you know. I think everything was kind of

806
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: going downhill from there. But I enjoyed, you know, like again,

807
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: there's things if you can go back, right, Like I

808
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: could have made more of that situation and opportunity, but

809
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: I guess just wasn't mature up for that. But but

810
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: playing with Dave Robinson was ridiculous, right because you guard

811
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: whoever they get by you, they got a problem, you know.

812
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 3: So and then we were fast paced, getting the ball

813
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: up and down. So it was I mean, as as

814
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: a basketball on the court, it was It was great. Uh,

815
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: but you know it got soured quickly. Yeah, Bob Bass

816
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: was there. He couldn't stand me. I couldn't stand him. Uh,

817
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: And you know, things just went by the way.

818
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: You reflect not real quick Jack, before we got on camera,

819
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: and then obviously now and obviously if you could change things,

820
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: when did you kind of look in the mirror and

821
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: realize that some of the issues were because of you?

822
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 8: Was a post career during career, definitely post career, post career,

823
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 8: definitely post career, because I was a hooper, right, and

824
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 8: I always knew I can get on the court hoop,

825
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 8: So sometimes that was like an excuse or escapegoat, and

826
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 8: that kind of hurt me because whatever happened on our side,

827
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 8: I always felt I was good enough.

828
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 3: As soon as I get on the court, I'm gonna

829
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: shut y'all up, you know. And that was like a

830
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 3: gift and a curse. And then I always tell people

831
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: like your habits from when you're young to old, like

832
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: they carry with you, right. So I was one of

833
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: those guys, like when we were playing as youngsters, my

834
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: friends had to come get me out the apartment to

835
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: come to the game, or I was oversleeping or you know,

836
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: I was in high school. I was late, right, I

837
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: was chewing in high school. And you know, I'll say

838
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: this now, like I'll go to school at twelve and afternoon,

839
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like in game days, I like,

840
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: I just had these super bad habits. Right, So people

841
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: think once you get some money or you become a pro,

842
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: like you're supposed to automatically learn how to be professionals.

843
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to be professional, but I know

844
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: how to who and so that hurt my career, you know, even.

845
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I could have been a three,

846
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: four or five time All Star, but I think because

847
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: of those habits and the way people looked at me,

848
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 3: coaches the league like that hamper. Like we talked about,

849
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: I made All NBA's second team, let the league and assist.

850
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: So that means you're telling me I was top ten

851
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: in the league, but I wasn't an All Star. So

852
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: but that, you know, it's like looking back and understanding,

853
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: like I feel I should have been that, but I

854
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: feel I could have been that if I would have

855
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: done it like I should have done it. So that's

856
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 3: the survivor's remorse, like we talk about.

857
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, san Antonio was great for me.

858
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 7: I played with David Robinson's last year, so I can

859
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 7: imagine what you've seen a young day.

860
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: I played with.

861
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 7: Him last year and he still was to help us

862
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 7: win the championship. So that was experienced me. But I

863
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 7: understand the culture. Shockup, I was the same guy you

864
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 7: we was. Yeah, I wasn't didn't know how to be

865
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 7: a professional around a whole bunch of people that's doing

866
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 7: stuff right instead of and I want to do it

867
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 7: my way. Yes, you know what I mean. So, but

868
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 7: I can't say I learned how to be a professional there.

869
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 7: If I didn't have those two years of san Antonio,

870
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 7: I don't think I would have lasted fourteen years. Yeah,

871
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 7: Game seven, turnover for Portland. Entire game and over time

872
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 7: he tried to go behind the head.

873
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: Talking about.

874
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: They take us back to that moment.

875
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, that moment was crazy. That moment was crazy

876
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: because like if I break it down, like we could

877
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: have beat them and then we would have been playing

878
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 3: the Sons. I think it was, and we were kind

879
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: of dominating the Sons that year. You know, kJ was

880
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 3: a beast, but again you had David Robinson back there,

881
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: so that was a big time play. Uh, and it

882
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: was getting caught up in the moment right in New York,

883
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: Like you know, I was wonning them out and I

884
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: just got caught up, you know, and so and I

885
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: knew that because I got you know, they killed me

886
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: about that. But then there's some people tried to give

887
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 3: me grace and I couldn't even take the grase because

888
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's on me because I'm point guard. If

889
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: you don't get the ball to the man, that's on you.

890
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: Like I've always believed that. And I know Sean Elliott

891
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: likes to veer out for the shot, yeah right, But

892
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: I also know he can go in. But I know

893
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 3: he likes to do that. So I get the ball

894
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: and I make I remember spinning or turning and seeing

895
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: him and you know, my instincts is you go to

896
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: the basket. But that wasn't the moment to turn your

897
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: back and make a play, you know what I'm saying.

898
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: So as soon as it left my hand and felt awkward. Right,

899
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: So the bad part was the bad part about it

900
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: was they stole it. They go down and I made

901
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: a file, a breakaway and my last file. So they

902
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: get shots the ball and out the game, I can't

903
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: redeem myself. And that was the worst one. I'm to

904
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: the walk from filing out to the bench right looking

905
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: at everybody, and then from the locking room to the

906
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: plane going past everybody, and then from the plane when

907
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: it landed to the car. It was the longest walks ever.

908
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: You know, you can feel everybody like you looking at

909
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: everybody and like it's like they're talking in your head

910
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: and they're looking at it like idiot, are you dumby?

911
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: Like you can almost no, no, for real, that's like

912
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: that's what I felt. But it was a bad play,

913
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: Like it was a hard I remember Isaiah Magic and

914
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: it was killing me about it. And and this is

915
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: a lesson for like young people like I ate that

916
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 3: because it came from magic and I got So what I'm.

917
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 7: Gonna say, vich yeah nice. Everybody know he was nice.

918
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 7: Y'all had a little on the court situation where you

919
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 7: gave him a four arm shiver. That's what they want

920
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 7: to say it. Now, can you explain what happened actually

921
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 7: happened that day?

922
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: I was hot, like no, because I wasn't guarding him,

923
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: but he was doing little stuff, you know, like he

924
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: was talking. But then you know, that little bumps. Yeah,

925
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: and I just was like one bump too many and

926
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: no because he I think he scored or whatever. But

927
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: I mean, if you watch the play, blatantly just you know,

928
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: bump me. And that whole time after that going down court,

929
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: I had nothing on my mind, like I'm getting him. No,

930
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: I was, it was nothing else, it was nothing. I

931
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: was going straight. You could say I was straight to him,

932
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: you know, you know back then that's how it was. Yeah,

933
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: it was back then. Though. It was different though, because

934
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: you had to always like those little things. If you

935
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: didn't take care of them, you were in trouble.

936
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

937
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: Right, that was just the league back then, right, I

938
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: mean and Isai one time was on the floor and

939
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: you know me and Stockton, you know, I like back

940
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: back in the day, like you had to you couldn't

941
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: let that happen. Like those were like little things that

942
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: give other people the edge, right if they know you

943
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: can do that, like more than now. Couldn't let it

944
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: like it.

945
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 7: And people say that about Chris Paul, how he was

946
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 7: philically dirty. All the point guards, John Stockman, all the

947
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 7: point guards was like that physical and play like that,

948
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 7: try to get that edge.

949
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 3: And I used to say dirty, but I don't even

950
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: know that. I'm like Stockton was doing what he needed

951
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: to do. Like even Isaiah Isaiah, you know, and I

952
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 3: know he doesn't like to take the bad boy image,

953
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 3: but Isaiah, it was tough, you know, choke and fight ready,

954
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: you know, and you had to be ready to you

955
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: had to match that or that was their advantage. Like

956
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 3: that's like I look at like Isaiah and I had

957
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: them on. I was doing a podcast at one time

958
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: and I was talking to him and like I was like,

959
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: embrace the bad boy image, right because y'all were able

960
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: to intimidate people that ain't got nothing to do with y'all.

961
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: That's them, you know if they let you do that.

962
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: Like okay, fine, Like you know what I'm saying.

963
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: Like, who are some of the matchups you enjoyed during

964
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: your run?

965
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: Oh?

966
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: Nobody enjoyed it, but.

967
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know.

968
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: Tim Hardaway, kJ had GP and stocked in you know

969
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: you guys like Nick Van Axle who can embarrass you?

970
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: Uh you had my mood. Like there's so many I

971
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: hate to like, like you know, Sam could get hot.

972
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: You know Mark with Mark is so interesting because Mark

973
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 3: and Stockton could be the dudes that had like ten

974
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: and ten and dominate you and you don't even know it,

975
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Uh, I know I'm missing

976
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: some guys, but those are you know. Then you had

977
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: the younger guys coming in, like the Ais and the

978
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: Steps and all them, but they kind of on that

979
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: other side of it. Uh. But it was a lot.

980
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys. There's a lot of guys.

981
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: So after San Antonio you had to Portland some turnover there.

982
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: What was the Pacific Northwest?

983
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: Like?

984
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: For you?

985
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: It was good. I enjoyed it, but I think I

986
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: came in on the back end of you know, that

987
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: championship run. I came in that next year and like

988
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: we had a hell of a lineup to start the season.

989
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: I was coming off the bench. They signed me and

990
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: told me, you know, I was coming off the bench.

991
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: So but off the bench it was me, Mario Eli,

992
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 3: Mark Bryant, and I want to say Cliff Robinson. And

993
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 3: they had their regular start in five.

994
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: So who was it starting five at that time?

995
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: So it was TP Clyde, Jerome, Curtsey, Duckworth. I might

996
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: be missing somebody. Williams buck Way there you go. Yeah,

997
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: I cannot forget buck I'm tripping my bad buck. So

998
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: so that was a hell of a nine. And then

999
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: Clyde got hurt ear because I think we started out

1000
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: like six and oh or something like that, and Clyde

1001
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: got hurt and that just he's done that, you know,

1002
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: Clyde Drexler.

1003
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

1004
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: And so then Clyde left, Uh, he went to Houston.

1005
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: But I enjoyed Portland, you know, I enjoyed Pautland. We

1006
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: made the playoffs, didn't really go that far, but I

1007
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: enjoyed it.

1008
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: How good was Clyde Dressler?

1009
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: Ridiculous with one hand.

1010
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 7: Didn't go right the whole game.

1011
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think they I think they underestimated IQ,

1012
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: you know, his passing and even because he was a

1013
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: good a great post of guard too, just ceiling guys

1014
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: and angles and he was, like I think, as great

1015
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 3: as he was, I don't think people really understand his IQ.

1016
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 4: I liked Clyde a lot.

1017
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: Washington Wizards with the young c Web and Juwan Howard.

1018
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: What was that like, man.

1019
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 3: To get there with those young guys.

1020
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: Uh, not to catch you out. What year in your

1021
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 4: career was that for you?

1022
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: I think that was like ninety seven, So my nine.

1023
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 2: Year or something like that you season by this time.

1024
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 3: Right it was ninety seven right?

1025
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1026
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: Uh No, Sea Webb and Drawn Howard is like super energy.

1027
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 3: I mean you that I'll never forget. We played against

1028
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 3: Steph KG. That was the craziest, like like that environment,

1029
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: like the tip off, you can feel intention, you know,

1030
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: Steph ready to come at me, kJ ready to go.

1031
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: Uh but nah, Sea Web see Web is incredible. Like

1032
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets enough credit, right for whatever reason,

1033
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: it's weird. I don't know why. But like you don't

1034
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: hear much about see Webb. See Web was special. I

1035
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: mean like special. You know we had seawb but I

1036
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: was twenty ten five six. You know, steals blocks like

1037
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: he did everything past the ball too, And it became

1038
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: noticeable when we got rid of them or when they

1039
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: traded them, right because now you know you cut off

1040
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: the head. You know, we run ball screens, you know,

1041
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: throw the ball anywhere, you know, and then he had

1042
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: to growl and he just had the intensity. And you

1043
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: know Jay Howard the same way.

1044
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1045
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: But we didn't we didn't stick together long enough. What's

1046
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: unseld was the GM. The old school couldn't really understand

1047
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: the mishaps of what have you. It's it's it's uh,

1048
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: it's funny now because I look at the league now

1049
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 3: and it's more of a players league now. So back then,

1050
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: it was like rule with the hand and really didn't

1051
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: understand how to maneuver with younger generation, younger guys. Uh.

1052
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: But the DC one is like, I wish we could

1053
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: have stayed together Ben Wallace there yet. Ben Wallace was

1054
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: a rookie. So Ben Wallace walked in the gym. We

1055
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: were so we were practicing at Booie State. That's what

1056
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: we practiced at when I first got no wizards or

1057
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: the bullets, so.

1058
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 7: It was damn sure some residue and we were ping.

1059
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: So it's funny. It was like the preseason and we

1060
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: just playing pick up. And I don't know all the

1061
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: dynamics how he got there or whatever, but I just

1062
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: remember being in the gym and you know, I think

1063
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm the layup king. I don't think no one's blocking

1064
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: my shot. I still yeah, but I'm in there and

1065
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: and this dude keeps blocking my shot. I'm like, is he?

1066
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: And it was Ben Wallace? And and the funny thing is,

1067
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: throughout my career, like he used to do that to me.

1068
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: Like when he was with the Pistols, He's it's like

1069
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: he tied me, you know. Yeah, but uh yeah, so

1070
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: Ben was Ben was ridiculous and Ben was no nonsense.

1071
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: Don't mess with that.

1072
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's person and it's big get bigger by the second.

1073
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: He's the coolest dude ever, Yes, but don't take him there.

1074
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 4: A ship.

1075
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: Thoughts recently, and it warmed my heart to see the

1076
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: Fast five back together. Man, how important is that for

1077
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: the culture for basketball, for Michigan to stop bullshit?

1078
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 4: And like, what did you think when you saw that?

1079
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: No?

1080
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 4: I love it.

1081
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: I love it because I know those guys, you know

1082
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: what I mean. So to have them all back together,

1083
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 3: like it's it's so interesting because you know, you look

1084
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: at the college, you look at how it is now,

1085
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 3: and you just look back and you say, like for

1086
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: them to go through that, like you know.

1087
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: And the freedom is now, the freedom now in I

1088
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: ls now and.

1089
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: Always say, like the young guys always get the the

1090
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: the raw end of the stick, right, but it's always

1091
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: the adults. Like if you look back at any of that,

1092
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: who started that? Where did that come from?

1093
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 4: You know?

1094
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: And man, that's greatness? How do you like ban greatness?

1095
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: For basically what adults did not understanding. How did banner that? Like,

1096
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: that's crazy? I mean they changed. I mean now we

1097
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: talk about culture again, that's culture. Like they changed. They

1098
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: had a whole like revolution.

1099
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 7: That don't happen with jan that coach. Yeah right, they

1100
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 7: could have been brought to that. That don't happen if

1101
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 7: Jawan is not coaching.

1102
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. You know Foster Harbor, wasn't

1103
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 5: he the one who went to WHEB was like, I'm

1104
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 5: gonna get you back on this campus.

1105
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 4: You had to come through the football because he was

1106
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 4: at the games.

1107
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I love seeing that because Jay Howard and you.

1108
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 7: Know where Jimmy and ray Man, my guys. They deserved that.

1109
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 7: I came out with all them guys. He came out

1110
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 7: with all the guys. They deserved that. I said that, right, Yeah,

1111
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 7: I should have a statue outside the.

1112
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 4: All five of him.

1113
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: No, they definitely got it on him.

1114
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: The ball Heads, Yeah, swept by the nineties and in

1115
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: ninety seven by the sixty nine win Bulls.

1116
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 4: What was Mike like in his focus in that team

1117
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 4: at that time?

1118
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: Mike and Mike like Mike and Mike. I remember, I

1119
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: don't know if he gave us a fifty piece I think,

1120
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: or maybe forty something. And I'll never forget Calbuccini being

1121
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: like destroyed and he walked into another room like after

1122
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 3: the game. I was like, man, get out of there,

1123
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: Man come on in here, and man good.

1124
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

1125
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: But you know Mike and Mike Mike is Mike Mike.

1126
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: Mike was able to dominate, uh when he needed to

1127
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 3: and how he wanted to. And you know, Mike was

1128
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: a mismatch. We know that, we know that problem. It

1129
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: was a mismatch. And then you had the great Scottie Pippen,

1130
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: who probably doesn't get enough credit as well.

1131
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1132
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 3: And then even Ron Harper because you think about before

1133
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: when Ron Hopper was in Cleveland. I don't know if people.

1134
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 4: Need to lead the League of Steels or something like that.

1135
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: He might.

1136
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: He would have never gotten injured. He would have run

1137
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: telling you was yeah and even tough. Yeah yeah. But uh,

1138
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: just think about those three as defenders, you know, as

1139
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: a six three guards like you know, because all they

1140
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: would do is start gapping you. Right, No, I'm not

1141
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: a jump shooter, so now they're gapping you. So I

1142
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: had to try to get him in transition you know.

1143
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, they were they were great. M J was

1144
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: really like that on d Oh definitely, and they let him.

1145
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: Get away with it, like at the end of the

1146
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: game that handslaps.

1147
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: But as a defendant, no doubt about it. He was

1148
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 3: a great defender, absolutely, because.

1149
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 4: You see a lot of superstars that don't take that

1150
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 4: pride on defense.

1151
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: You know, he definitely him pipping and hot. That's what

1152
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: I say. If you've got those three on the perimeter,

1153
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: that's tough. It's tough.

1154
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 7: Final year's a lot of stops boiling Miami, Minnesota, Orlando, Toronto,

1155
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 7: play t mac KG.

1156
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: Talk about No, no, no, those are like shit, go ahead, I'm.

1157
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 4: Any bright spots in any of those stops. No.

1158
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: I enjoyed them all, you know. But it was just

1159
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: so as I talked about, like, if you put my

1160
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 3: numbers in the nineties, right, I think I would put

1161
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 3: him with all the point guards. Whether it's a little

1162
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: lower or whatever. But it's seventeen almost nine four rebounds,

1163
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: almost two steals. But those other years kind of brought

1164
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: everything down. So that's why I look at those years,

1165
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: right and uh, And we talked off camera the unprofessionalism

1166
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: led up to those last five years, you know what

1167
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: I mean, Because now the last five years, if you

1168
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 3: look at it, I had to sit out and wait

1169
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: for teams to like lose enough to say all right,

1170
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: let's go get right, you know. So there was no

1171
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: plan for me. Right, I'm a feeling so now the

1172
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: minutes go down and you know everything. So when I

1173
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: look at those five years, obviously great, like all those

1174
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: organizations were great, But when I look at it, like

1175
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: those were the years that kind of like messed up

1176
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: the numbers, you know what.

1177
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 7: I mean, I kind of think of like like basically

1178
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 7: back then about I thought, like back then about I said,

1179
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 7: today's decisions going to affect the future life.

1180
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1181
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 7: I have thought about that, then I would have made

1182
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 7: the decisions I power to played in the All Star too.

1183
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 7: So I see what you're saying. Those mistakes made the

1184
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 7: beginning of the year thinking of that, it affected.

1185
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: At the end absolutely, yeah, because if I was, you know, professional,

1186
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: like I may have stayed with other teams. Right, So

1187
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 3: when you're with other teams, you already got a roll, right,

1188
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: you know, but now you flip flopping the teams like

1189
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 3: you don't have a role. You just there to really

1190
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: fill in, you know what I mean, so that you know,

1191
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 3: now you're playing fifteen minutes, you know, so you go

1192
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: from averaging your career average is being sixteen point eight

1193
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: eight to thirteen, you know, and then it looks different.

1194
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: And I don't think people can get the real feel

1195
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: of what you did right because they they're going by

1196
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: the end numbers. But like I said, if you take

1197
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: those five years out and you go even if you

1198
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 3: want to go to twelve, the first twelve, but I

1199
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: know if you go to nineties for the ten years

1200
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: and you stack them up to whoever they're gonna be,

1201
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: they're gonna be somewhere in the picture.

1202
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 4: They definitely standing there.

1203
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: Also, seventeen year career, thirteen years sober, which to me

1204
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: is just as impressive as that long run.

1205
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 4: You're on the record saying, do you.

1206
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: Know that.

1207
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: You know you're on the record saying if you didn't drink,

1208
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: you felt like you had an opportunity to be a

1209
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. Can you explain what that is like?

1210
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: Because we all have vices, you know what I mean?

1211
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: He and I had our vice and it was it

1212
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: was smoking. And then you know, every every every day

1213
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: we did it we was, you know, on the brink

1214
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: of possibly getting kicked out and now it's it's allowed.

1215
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: So what you know, it takes us back through that

1216
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: mindset and and and you know, pulling yourself out of

1217
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: that darkness.

1218
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 3: Like like honestly like and and I talk about the

1219
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: professional part, you know, being laid or just that attitude,

1220
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 3: and then you know, obviously drinking and hanging out and

1221
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: all that, like your decision making wud comes bad. Right,

1222
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 3: So it ain't even just on the court, you know.

1223
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: And I'll reflect back you know, my family, my kids, uh,

1224
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: friendships like everything you know. Uh, and then as a professional,

1225
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 3: uh you know, because what you don't really understand is

1226
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 3: that as you're drinking and you're hanging out and you're

1227
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: having the ball like you're kind of you're putting together

1228
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: a map for people like you kind of how can

1229
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: I say it? What's the word I want to use? Well,

1230
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: for the lack of like a word. Right now, you're

1231
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 3: showing people who you are, right or you're putting this

1232
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: image into people's minds that you don't even understand. Years

1233
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 3: late later years they're gonna hold that against you and

1234
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: you don't understand that, right, So the funny thing about

1235
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 3: like me, stop drinking or stop drinking. What I realized

1236
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 3: and John Lucas told me is he said, you're gonna

1237
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: have He said three things. I can only remember two,

1238
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: but he said, you're gonna have people don't want you

1239
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: to change, right because they're so used to having fun

1240
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 3: with you. And then you're gonna have people who are

1241
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 3: never going to accept or let you change. And the

1242
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 3: second one, the latter one, I found out the hard way, right,

1243
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 3: because you know how you can be around people and

1244
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 3: you can think they're with you or they're your people,

1245
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: but then when it's time to put you in situations

1246
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 3: to kind of put you in power or put you

1247
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: in position, they'll minimize you. And they'll minimize you because

1248
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: they they think this is who you are, so you

1249
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 3: can't be trusted or they don't value you or whatever

1250
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 3: it might be. Your friend might even love you, but

1251
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 3: they feel like you know. And the crazy part about that,

1252
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 3: I had to get away from them to get to

1253
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 3: where I'm at now. So y'all know, Christy chin right

1254
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 3: best and best person my family, but she single handedly

1255
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 3: grabbed me and helped me get to where I'm at now.

1256
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: Sound just like her right, and she value me and

1257
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 3: she put me around people because she knew who I

1258
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 3: really was right where they think I'm the Rod or

1259
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: whatever they think I am. She knew who I was

1260
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 3: and she knew I had more up here than you think.

1261
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 3: So she put me in front of people and helped

1262
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: me understand how to deal with people, right, because I'm

1263
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: one of those like I'm one of those non trusting people,

1264
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: like I don't you know, I think everybody has a

1265
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 3: gender sometimes right, there's phoniness, right, and then when I

1266
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 3: feel that I can't. But I had to learn how

1267
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 3: to get out of that. You get out, get out

1268
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:31,959
Speaker 3: your own way.

1269
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: How hard was it?

1270
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: Because it's something and I had to do post career

1271
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: to almost reinvent yourself. Like you said, you got pulled

1272
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: out of an area where they expected you to. You know,

1273
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: your reputation whether earned you know earned, is you know,

1274
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: good or bad, it's earned, you know what I mean.

1275
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: So to be able to reinvent yourself in a new

1276
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: space was that tough?

1277
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 4: Was it gratifying?

1278
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: Because I found it gratifying when people would look at

1279
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: me and they hear me talk or they're like, oh,

1280
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was you know what I mean.

1281
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: So I had to humble myself, right, and I had

1282
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: to understand well, the first thing I had to realize

1283
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 3: what it was. It wasn't them, it was me.

1284
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 4: Right.

1285
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: I had to get out of that, you know, because

1286
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 3: I want to be mad or whoever, and I really

1287
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: shouldn't be mad because whatever happened, I exposed that to them.

1288
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: So once I got past that, and then again, you know,

1289
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: Chris believing in me and understanding that I'm probably smarter

1290
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: or you know, not like they think I Am going

1291
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: to put me around people so that they can see me.

1292
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: But then I had to open up. I'll never forget.

1293
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: I was on NBA TV with Dennis Guy and we

1294
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: were doing it and before the broadcast started, I was like, man,

1295
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 3: I'm nervous, like you know, because I get anxieties, like

1296
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 3: I've just been like that all my life, you know,

1297
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 3: in front of people and all that. I've gotten better,

1298
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 3: but I've I've dealt with that forever. And I told

1299
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 3: him that. He said, Man, I'm glad you told me that.

1300
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 3: He said that, that says it all. He said. He

1301
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 3: actually say, you need to tell people that because that

1302
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: tells who you are. Because he said you the guy

1303
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: will come in the room and go in the corner,

1304
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 3: you know. And I had to realize that too, Like

1305
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 3: I'm being me, but I don't know what kind of

1306
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 3: energy I'm giving off to everyone else. So when I

1307
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 3: walk in the room and I'm like, they may think

1308
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: come stand off ish, but I just might be to

1309
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: myself right, and there's no disrespect or anything. And I

1310
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 3: had to learn that too, right, And I had to

1311
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 3: that was a big part. But still being myself because

1312
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 3: I don't like what I don't like and I don't

1313
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 3: want to be around. I'm one of them, like I

1314
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 3: feel like you know that we always talk about like

1315
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 3: and I get people like you got to be professional,

1316
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: you know, so shake his hand, you know if you don't,

1317
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 3: even if you don't like him. But I'm one of

1318
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 3: them that, no, I think it's good that if I

1319
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: don't like you, let's just walk past each other, Like

1320
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 3: let's not play that game, you know what I mean.

1321
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna tell you a funny story. I don't

1322
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 3: know if it's funny, but me telling you who I am,

1323
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 3: I never forget. I'm with Team McKnight and we're at

1324
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: the Golden State Warriors arena with the G League team.

1325
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 4: In Santa Cruz.

1326
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: No, we're at there ring. We're actually playing in their

1327
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: round one game, right, it was like our last game,

1328
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: what's the what's the Golden State owner?

1329
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 4: Then Goober like him like them, So I.

1330
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 3: Never forget this him and what's my guy from Duke? Uh.

1331
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: They're walking right and this is against probably what I

1332
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: normally do, but they walk in we're in the stadium,

1333
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 3: but I'm in the stadium, so we're walking past, and

1334
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: I felt like it's almost like I say hello, So

1335
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 3: I never forget shaking Joe Lake. You know how you doing.

1336
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 3: I'm Rod Strickland Man. Dude grabbed my hand and almost

1337
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 3: moved it away and was like, I know you are

1338
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 3: God damn, that's why. That's why, you know what I mean.

1339
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 3: But I never forget that. I'll never forget that.

1340
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 9: On just some bad energy really, you know, and you know,

1341
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 9: like I'm like if you only knew, right, like like

1342
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 9: I'm telling you, yeah, I know you are, and walk

1343
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 9: and walked past you.

1344
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 3: I'm like that you a GM or something one of

1345
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 3: the teams. But it was just the craziest energy, and

1346
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: you know that's why.

1347
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really kind of.

1348
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1349
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 7: This nigga be called taking me off the cliff a

1350
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,480
Speaker 7: whole bunch of times.

1351
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 4: All these motherfuckers, I'll be ready to.

1352
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 3: But it was it was the craziest thing. Like it

1353
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 3: was the craziest thing. And I'm like, you know, like, man, man,

1354
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,480
Speaker 3: if you was like, wow, that's interesting.

1355
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmmm.

1356
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 4: That is crazy.

1357
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: Who is right outside of coaching in basketball, because we've

1358
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 2: talked about a lot of basketball outside yeah.

1359
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 3: Man, Like, I'm simple, man, I try to stay in

1360
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 3: my lane out the way, uh you know, I got

1361
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 3: my guys. I kind of stick to the to the

1362
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just I don't know, man, I

1363
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: stick to myself, you know, I try to you know,

1364
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 3: as far as this coaching, I'm trying to become the

1365
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 3: best coach I can be, trying to improve this program.

1366
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: But then outside of that, man, I'm probably just walking

1367
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: my lane. Like I don't even know how that there's

1368
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: not much to it, you know, I think I've done

1369
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 3: so much in the past, Like I'm real chill, you know,

1370
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 3: I'm I'm particularly where I'm at the places I'm in

1371
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 3: because again, just like what I just told you, like

1372
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 3: I never want to be in the environment that like

1373
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm not really welcoming, like I want to be in

1374
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 3: spaces that you know, people kind of a plowed you

1375
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: appreciate you rather than you just there to be there.

1376
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 3: Uh you know. I even like even social media. I

1377
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: tried to dip and dad with that. That's a rough one.

1378
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 4: That's just crazy.

1379
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 7: To give you your credit. You take on the role

1380
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 7: as being og. Sometimes there's been some conversation that you

1381
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 7: reach out to me that you to help me with

1382
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 7: that we didn't have. So you know, whatever whatever role

1383
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 7: you plan in life, it's beneficial.

1384
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 3: To a lot of people appreciate it.

1385
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: But you also know it's it's it's people who've been

1386
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: through shit and experience and looked in that mirror and

1387
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 2: understand their flaws in the past and not still blame

1388
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: it everyone else to me, not to paw us on it,

1389
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 2: but we have the best advice because we've been there

1390
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: at the highest level and we know we fucked money off,

1391
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: and we know we fucked situations off and did a

1392
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: lot of shit. But now it's just like when people

1393
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: look at the way I talked to my sons or

1394
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: coach the kids, because other like my family and they're

1395
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: just like wow, it's like, not don't.

1396
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 4: Do this because I did it. You know what I

1397
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 4: mean that I did this.

1398
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: You don't have to do it so just to be

1399
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: able to come back and get but it's first, you

1400
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: gotta be able to look at yourself in the mirror

1401
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: and see your soul and realize, like, yo, my I

1402
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 2: had a lot of mind, not to not to harp

1403
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: on it, you know, but to a point like I

1404
01:10:58,520 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: had a lot.

1405
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 4: To do with this situation. That situation. It was fucked up, definitely,

1406
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 4: but I had a lot to do with it.

1407
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 2: To be able to see your fault, move past and

1408
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 2: forgive yourself and then try to, you know, give your

1409
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: blessings to the next generation.

1410
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 3: That's your superpowers. I tell people, like, that's that's your superpower,

1411
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 3: because everybody can't do it right. Everybody can't talk and

1412
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: have that conversation and be authentic with it.

1413
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1414
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 3: My son, my oldest son, he's with me now, and

1415
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 3: I tell him because he has some bad experiences in

1416
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 3: college with some coaches and the way they dealt with him,

1417
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 3: the way they treated him, And I told him, man, like,

1418
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: that's your superpower, Like talk about it. You put them

1419
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 3: on blasts, like talk about it, right, because that'll relieve you.

1420
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: And also but you've given you'd be surprised how many

1421
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 3: people have gone through that, right. One thing I've learned

1422
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 3: just from experience is that, like, you can stand in

1423
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 3: front of seven, eight, ten, twelve people and they're judging you,

1424
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 3: and they got so much baggage. So like I'm always

1425
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 3: you looking at me, staring at you, right, because I

1426
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 3: know you ain't perfect, right, So I'm cool with my flaws.

1427
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 3: I know what they are, and I've worked on it

1428
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 3: and I'm growing and still growing. So when I walk

1429
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: in front of people like, man, it is what it is,

1430
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, keep it over there, you know what I'm saying.

1431
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 3: But I understand that. And even when you know, we

1432
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 3: talk about social media people like I always we got

1433
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 3: this thing where we always judging the person that's being

1434
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 3: talked about. But a lot of times I'm judging the

1435
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 3: person who's talking.

1436
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 4: It says a lot about you.

1437
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm trying to figure out why you why

1438
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 3: you're saying that right when you're blurting certain things out,

1439
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes I say insecurity or that's some stuff

1440
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: going on with you. So that's why I don't receive

1441
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: all that energy, you know, because it's like, you know,

1442
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 3: even like listening to Sebastian right instead of me like

1443
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: all on him. Now, I get it, but that ain't

1444
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 3: about me. So you don't even have to name me

1445
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 3: because that ain't really about you, know what I'm saying.

1446
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: Your journey. You got to figure that out, you.

1447
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: Know, with the journey you've been on as a as

1448
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: a as a young man, and a player, and and

1449
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: and a coach and in management. Can you see now

1450
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: when you're in management or coaching outside ship affecting people

1451
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: on the court. Can you see it? Can you feel it?

1452
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh, it definitely happens. It definitely happens. But so it's crazy.

1453
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 3: I think my super pause was it didn't affect me

1454
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 3: on the court.

1455
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 4: You didn't allow it to affect you affect me.

1456
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 3: Once I got on the court, that was like everything

1457
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 3: is done away and I used to go back, I'll

1458
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 3: get in trouble and my home crowd is boring me,

1459
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 3: like when I come in to the game. But my

1460
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 3: mom was never like I got nervous or shook on that.

1461
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 3: I was always like I'm gonna do something related forget

1462
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: about it, you know. So that was I got up

1463
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 3: but I don't know if that was great for me.

1464
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, compartmentalized ship.

1465
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 3: It can definitely affect you.

1466
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 4: But I'm no.

1467
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 2: But I'm saying as someone older now who's been through it,

1468
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 2: have you had to pull people like younger g leaguers

1469
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: or players to the side, like, hey, what's going on

1470
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: your good house home house?

1471
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: This? Oh no, No, that's definitely definitely absolutely has happened

1472
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 3: a lot, and it definitely affects, especially to young people,

1473
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 3: especially now. So you think about it when we came out,

1474
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 3: like people just talked around the city whatever, you didn't

1475
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 3: hear it? No, you know, every now and then someone

1476
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 3: to confront you and then you say, but you didn't.

1477
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 3: You know, you get a newspaper article too. But now

1478
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 3: when when you're going through stuff, like the whole world

1479
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 3: is on you.

1480
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: Com and it's looking for you. You used to have

1481
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: to look for it. Now it's looking for you.

1482
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 3: The whole world is on you. Like. That's that's why

1483
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 3: I say the social media is tough because once you

1484
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 3: get involved in it and you put yourself out there

1485
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 3: and you have to take everyone's energy. Like I'm a blocker.

1486
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 3: As soon as I feel something like something, I'm.

1487
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 4: Gonna cut you out first, then blocking.

1488
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 7: I'm gonna bullshit with you a couple of days and

1489
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 7: joke on you and stay about your life a couple

1490
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 7: of days, then.

1491
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 4: Make you feel stupid. They're lucky. I'm gonna spend your

1492
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 4: time with you.

1493
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 8: That's a lot state of.

1494
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 2: The point guard. I feel like the days of true

1495
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 2: point garden. Whether you know, making your team better is

1496
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 2: how you make yourself better. I kind of feel like,

1497
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: you know, we're in a straight scoring point guard mode.

1498
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know there's a handful of

1499
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 2: guys that still you know, throw them passes around cps,

1500
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 2: kind of the last of a dying breede. But what

1501
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on just the point guard and how

1502
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know if you want to call

1503
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 2: the vault or just may be changed.

1504
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 3: It's changed. It's changed, and I think like Rondo and

1505
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 3: CP were the last of that, but it's just changed.

1506
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 3: The game has changed, right, everybody's shooting three pointers, so

1507
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: you have to be you know, you can't, man, I

1508
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 3: don't even know if you can get a look if

1509
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: you can't shoot a three.

1510
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 4: So that's not even the point guard.

1511
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: That's across the board, across but even as a guard,

1512
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 3: everybody's looking at shooting percent. So that's what's dominating, you know,

1513
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 3: the kyries and steps.

1514
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

1515
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 3: You know, even Joel Morant to me is a PG,

1516
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 3: but he's still scored. You know. But the game changes,

1517
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: like it'll circle back, Like I even think like eventually.

1518
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 4: The big will come back.

1519
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 3: I think. You know, this game evolved.

1520
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 4: And it's the copycat league.

1521
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: So if Denver wins a couple of championships, you got

1522
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: to find someone that with the big front line.

1523
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 4: Now you got to go back to the big front lines.

1524
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 3: And I missed the days of where different teams did

1525
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 3: different things. Yeah, you know, now everything.

1526
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: Is just.

1527
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: And your sleep is what it is. You got a

1528
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 2: chance to play against Mike uh plague a little bit

1529
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 2: in his code. You know, obviously Lebron is having his run.

1530
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 2: How do you look at asking to rank? But how

1531
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: do you look at when you think greatest player to

1532
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: ever do it?

1533
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 4: Like? What comes to mind for you?

1534
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: Uh? I guess domination right?

1535
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: Uh?

1536
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: And when you talk about those three, you know I

1537
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 3: don't in my opinion, you know, Mike is the most dominant,

1538
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 3: you know. Uh, six championships set out two years could.

1539
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 4: Have been eight.

1540
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, to be able to to

1541
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 3: win three then sit out and more. Then I don't

1542
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: think people understand this, And I don't know if this

1543
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 3: is like a good thing. But like I listen to

1544
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 3: people talk about Mike sometimes and it kind of I

1545
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 3: don't know, it makes me uncomfortable the way they talk

1546
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 3: about it, right, because I almost feel like people were

1547
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 3: scared of Mike, right, I know, like like but and

1548
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, I don't want this to come

1549
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 3: off the wrong way. I'm kind of probably giving them

1550
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: credit for that, right, you know what I mean? Like

1551
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 3: he was able to put fear in people. You know

1552
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like that that's a lot right.

1553
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

1554
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 3: You know Kobe and Lebron obviously people know who they

1555
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 3: are and respect them and everything. But like the way

1556
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: people talk about Mike, you know what I mean, Like

1557
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 3: to me, to me, that says a lot like coming

1558
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, but you know Kobe's greatness,

1559
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: you know, he was he was a reflection of He's

1560
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 3: a mirror of MJ. You know. And then Lebron you

1561
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 3: have to give him something different because he was different.

1562
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,839
Speaker 3: He became a combination of Jordan's and Kobe and magic.

1563
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 3: Uh and then his size athleticism, So like, I don't know,

1564
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 3: you have to like there's so many different characteristics. That's

1565
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 3: why whoever you feel is is But like I look

1566
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 3: at MJ, and I just look at the domination and

1567
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,839
Speaker 3: because I was in his eraror I know the impact

1568
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 3: he made, chills he gave people, which is crazy, but uh,

1569
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: you know, but like if you say Lebron is Lebron's

1570
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: had the best career if you just go numbers wise.

1571
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 7: I say that all the time joined the better player,

1572
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 7: Lebron had a better career if you.

1573
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 3: Go numbers wise, it's ridiculous. So you know, and then

1574
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 3: you got that little dude, Stephs. I mean it's like

1575
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 3: he builds the case every year and he revolutionized changed

1576
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 3: the game. Like that's when you change the game. That's

1577
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: why is a mirror of MJ. So I always go

1578
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 3: to MJ, you know. And then Lebron is a different being.

1579
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: MJ is a different being and Steph is a different

1580
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 3: like they are different. They changed, They changed.

1581
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 4: Things, definite. AI did the same thing basically for the game.

1582
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 3: A little different, though AI a little different. AI changed

1583
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 3: the AI changed the culture. And obviously he was a

1584
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 3: great player. But I think Steph na is different because

1585
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 3: Steph now has young people shooting three pointers now in

1586
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 3: the fourth grade, and he's changed the game to what

1587
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 3: it is now. That's different in my opinion.

1588
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's crazy from a standpoint, Like when

1589
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: I work my boys out, we start in the paint,

1590
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: get your touch, get you feel. That's so we all

1591
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 2: used to start. But now kids are starting, they put

1592
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: their shoes on and start shooting shots from half court

1593
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: like this, Like Steph really changed just the outlook of

1594
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: basketball and house play.

1595
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: And and and just want to like magic change, Like

1596
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 3: you gotta give these guys different the game change. That's

1597
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 3: why I think Magic should be in this conversation. Definitely, definitely,

1598
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 3: no one ever saw nine point guard. You know, that's

1599
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 3: just never happened.

1600
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 2: Lakers in my top five, so do I let's talk

1601
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: about our top five.

1602
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: So it was I, who's your top five?

1603
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 7: I go first, Okay, Jordan, Kobe Brawn, Shack, Tim Duncan,

1604
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 7: m M excuse me, magic, Tim Duncan.

1605
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 4: So no shot you got by b.

1606
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 3: I have m J Magic Bird, m J Magic Bird, Lebron.

1607
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 3: Then if I got to put a big I'm going

1608
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 3: king can't go wrong with respect to Jabal, But I

1609
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 3: like always like to talk in terms of like what

1610
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 3: I really witnessed.

1611
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 4: You know, mm hmm. That's why I picked him, because

1612
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 4: I said, first.

1613
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: Hand, mine is what m J. And then you can

1614
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 2: put two or three whoever you want, cole Bron, magic

1615
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 2: and shot. So I got four lakers of mine too,

1616
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 2: So we got the same one besides Tim and Shack. Yeah,

1617
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: I ain't mad at that man, Quick hitters. We appreciate

1618
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: your time today. First thing to come to mind, let

1619
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 2: us know one piece of advice you would give young hoopers.

1620
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: Study the game. Understand the game. I know that the

1621
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,919
Speaker 3: game is over sooner than you think. Take full advantage

1622
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 3: of the opportunities. Be graceful, Be humble. You know, I

1623
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 3: call it kind of cocky humble, but you gotta believe

1624
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 3: in yourself. But you also got to be humble enough

1625
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 3: to take information.

1626
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 4: Got to play the game.

1627
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, you had a childhood crush Pam Grid.

1628
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 4: She believe.

1629
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: Damn Pam Pam Grid.

1630
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,480
Speaker 4: Top three ball handlers of all time in your opinion.

1631
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 3: Just off the top, because that's something I gotta really

1632
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:45,440
Speaker 3: think about. But I'm gonna say Kyrie, I gotta say Isaiah,

1633
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna put Jamal Crawford.

1634
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 7: Oh I thought I thought you about saying the other

1635
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 7: Jamal because he and my time. Oh well, I've seen

1636
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 7: him do some stuff in game. One thing you wish

1637
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 7: you were better at.

1638
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 3: That's a tough. One thing I wish I was better at.

1639
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 3: I'm stumped.

1640
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Ask you that one thing I was didn't think. One

1641
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: thing I wish I was better at is expressing my feelings.

1642
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 4: That's counseling, right there, y'all.

1643
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: Counseling. That's counseling. Communication, expressing my feeling communication.

1644
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's a tough one.

1645
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 7: Helping people understand me, helping people understand you. I got

1646
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 7: to get better at helping people understand me. If that

1647
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 7: makes sense. It doesn't, but I hear you that makes

1648
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,879
Speaker 7: sense because I'm so much understood understood.

1649
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 4: That's why I said, because knew what it makes sense.

1650
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,440
Speaker 4: That was my disclaimer. One album of song to play.

1651
01:23:55,560 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 3: Over your career highlights anything jay z anything hole anything,

1652
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: jay z h. I did it my way? What's that?

1653
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 4: I did my.

1654
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 2: Best food in New York or best like a duck

1655
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: off spot?

1656
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 3: Right now, I'll just say Brooklyn chop house.

1657
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 4: What's that? What kind of food is that?

1658
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: Uh?

1659
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 3: Stay yeah, fire, Yeah it's downtown and then well they

1660
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,520
Speaker 3: both downtown.

1661
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 4: One is lower, but put on the production card to

1662
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 4: try that out.

1663
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 7: One guess you can see on all the smoke who

1664
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 7: would it be? But you have to help us get

1665
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 7: your answer on the shop. So basically it's got to

1666
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,799
Speaker 7: be answer this questions. Motherfuckers ain't been feeling the the void.

1667
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm about to tell you. I have

1668
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 3: a hard time. I don't mess with.

1669
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 4: Them up nobody. This question might not apply to.

1670
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 3: Me hard but somebody I'd like to see on christ

1671
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 3: chiin christ.

1672
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: It's a good Callack, No, that's she raised all of

1673
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: us straight up.

1674
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 3: No, that's a super calls.

1675
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: She probably love it to Yeah, Chris, I think she

1676
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: does so much and she just knows if you know, you.

1677
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, like that little lady.

1678
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 7: She's everywhere, but like the heart of the guys, like

1679
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 7: I said, the heart of the NBA. If you ask

1680
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 7: any one of us about Christian Chan, we all light up,

1681
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 7: we all speak hoighy about it.

1682
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 2: She's like she's like everybody's mom. Yes, period. Well, Rob Man,

1683
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 2: we appreciate your time again. Always been a big fan

1684
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: and getting a chance to kind of peel back some

1685
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: layers was dope.

1686
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 4: Man, So thank you for your time. Good luck the

1687
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 4: rest of the season. Man.

1688
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 2: Definitely, that's a wrap All the Smoke. You can catch

1689
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: us on All the Smoke production YouTube. Is that where

1690
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: we're at now.

1691
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 4: Our own ship?

1692
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1693
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll catch you out next week, man,