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Speaker 2: Episode four thirty one. Songwriter producer Jordan Schmidt, all right.

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Speaker 2: Some of his number one songs include Jason al Dean's

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Speaker 3: Mitchell Tenpennies, Drunk Me, Kane Brown. He's got a few

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Speaker 3: what ifs, what if the sky fall, Bury Me in.

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Speaker 2: Georgia, Bury Me and Georgia, and like I love country music,

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Speaker 2: Baby love country.

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Speaker 3: And then we'll just do one more.

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Speaker 2: Blake Shelton's God's Country, which received a Grammy nomination and

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Speaker 3: Went Down and Charge your Body, Danny Sticker around, This

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Speaker 2: He earned himself a CMA triple Play, which they haven't

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Speaker 3: Three number ones in one year.

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Speaker 2: He just finished up a bunch of songs for Tyler Hubbard,

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Speaker 2: Mitchell Tenpenny, he writes listen, the Guy's awesome. He's a

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Speaker 2: native of du Luth, Minnesota, picked up the guitar at

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Speaker 2: age ten. By sixteen he was recording local artists where

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Speaker 2: he was like kid producer, like kids can do the

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Speaker 2: darnedest things. Twenty twelve, moved to Nashville and here he

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Speaker 2: is singer, songwriter, dude, walker, talker, producer.

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Speaker 3: Is that pretty much it? It's a shirt wear? Here

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Speaker 3: he is Jordan Schmidt.

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Speaker 2: Jordan, good to me. You have we met? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I think I saw you at a party with their

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Speaker 2: So a party would not be a accurate representation of

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's funny how we see it differently because I'm like,

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Speaker 2: My hours are so wrongly adjusted, meaning wake up at

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Speaker 1: Go home and watch Beef on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Yes. You know what's funny about Beef is that my

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Speaker 1: Dude, you need to go It's weird so much crazy.

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Speaker 2: When you brought that up, Mike, if you say Beef.

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Speaker 3: I watched half of it and did not go back

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't because I didn't like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because like I don't know where I don't want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to get into that then. So but

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Speaker 2: we just watched it called Bodies. Have you seen that?

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Speaker 2: Mike? You watch it? No? I haven't seen it. Brett.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Brett Eldridge last night, so my

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Speaker 2: People whenever did you know two of these cuts are

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Speaker 1: I love Kane. He is like, you know, I got

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Speaker 2: this is gonna sound stupid, but like wait, wait, you

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. Like I knew him before

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard hard not to.

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Speaker 2: look at your watch, you know, let me get those things.

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Speaker 2: like I guess as I was looking at your body

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Speaker 1: Man, that's a good question. You know. I guess like

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Speaker 2: And you're not having a call and be like, I'm

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Speaker 2: You know, what's your quintessential hustle story in Nashville though,

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Speaker 1: I would say it was when I met Buka from Florida,

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Speaker 4: Are hang tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

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Speaker 2: You're playing music. You're playing guitar at ten eleven years old?

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Speaker 1: And so once I did that first tour, I was like, no,

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00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. I want to be

436
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 1: a computer yeah.

437
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: Or that I don't want to be in advand traveling.

438
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: Maybe more of that, but I know I want to

439
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: be in music.

440
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: Whenever you were at Plant, whenever you had the dreams

441
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: of being in a band, where you what were you doing?

442
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: I was going to ask it, yeut so. But but see,

443
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: that's that's odd that frontman disease didn't didn't stay like

444
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 2: it's still on ness with somewhere in there.

445
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 1: You know. And it's so funny because like seeing my

446
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: friends and and some artists that I've worked with, you know,

447
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: huge artists. I just see what they have to do,

448
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: and I'm like, god, I would have hated that. Thank

449
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: God that I did not go down that road.

450
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: Because especially early on, oh my god, or I say

451
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: early on, maybe it's it could be all all time

452
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: if you never hit that level, right, because.

453
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 1: It's an it is a grind, and it is you know.

454
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: I think the what people see and what goes on

455
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: are just two wildly different things.

456
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 2: It's like live Instagram, right, always seeing what really happens.

457
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 1: You know.

458
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: Again, there's just some parallels. You're way more talented than

459
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: I am, but it's like I worked in pop and

460
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: hip hop, and I worked in alternative, and I did

461
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: sports and do sports again. And I've always felt and

462
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 2: now it's becoming more normal that, you know, genres only

463
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 2: exist for the companies to be able to sell. Right,

464
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 2: It's not like we listen in any sort of boundary.

465
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: But when you're talking about Blank being such an influence

466
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Speaker 2: on you, and I was looking at some of the

467
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: early stuff that you had produced, and it's like, like

468
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: that Metro Station, Like I used to love metro stations. Yeah, yeah,

469
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: and so where those guys local near you? Like, how

470
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 2: do you get with a metros? Like all Time Low,

471
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: which All Time Low stuff came back again last year

472
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: because they were going after I mean everything on TikTok

473
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: lives on Lives Lives again. Right, Metro Station used to

474
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: play a lot. Yeah, they were shake shake shake yeah.

475
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: Motion City soundtrack.

476
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: That's how I met the Metro station guys. And I

477
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: just did that one, that one song, and I hardly

478
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: even met them, I think.

479
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: So, But they weren't like local guys like your.

480
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 1: Motion City soundtrack was got it And so when I

481
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: uh moved to Minneapolis, I kind of I got connected

482
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: with them and then through them. You know, I got

483
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: to do a record with them with Mark Hoppis from

484
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Speaker 1: Blank Win eighty two.

485
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Speaker 2: Cool for you?

486
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was a dream come true.

487
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: It was what was that like?

488
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's incredible, he's so funny, He's exactly what

489
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: you want Mark Hoppas from Blank n eighty two to be.

490
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: And you know they always say don't meet your heroes,

491
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: but he was one that I was like, Yeah, he's

492
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: a good dude.

493
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Speaker 2: I love Blank. Mike's a massive Blink.

494
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: Fan, massive fan. Yeah, Oh dude. The best concerts I've

495
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: ever been to seeing him last year with Tom DeLong back. Yeah. Yeah.

496
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 2: Even how many times have you seen them last?

497
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: That was the only time?

498
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: Got it?

499
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: Okay?

500
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

501
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: See I saw him Pop Disaster tour. I think that

502
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: was two thousand one or Jimmy Green Day. Yeah yeah.

503
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: How do you handle yourself the first time? Do you

504
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: tell yourself I'm not going to geek out? Or do

505
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: you go hey, man, I'm just a massive fan.

506
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: What did I do? I think I tried to play cool,

507
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: but me playing it cool is like me being quiet.

508
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Then I can I hate myself because I'm like, you're

509
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: not quiet? Shut up?

510
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you can when you're quiet, people can

511
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: interpret a lot of different things, right, even with Kane.

512
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: I'll be like, Kine is not nice, right, But Kane's like,

513
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be quiet because maybe they're not nice, right,

514
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: And then you're all confused on why everybody's act. Then

515
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: it's bad. I mean that's the same thing with I

516
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: mentioned with Carrie. Like I find on TV, Carrie is

517
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: a ball of fire. It's funny, quick in person, and

518
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: I do know her well enough now to know that

519
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: she doesn't hate me. She just doesn't talk.

520
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Hurd was that way with me.

521
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, Ryan, for sure.

522
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: About two years I was like, this guy hates me.

523
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: And then one day he was like, you want to

524
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: come over and play Golden Tea And I was.

525
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: Like, it's exactly your friends. He's like, you want to

526
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: play golf and I'm like with you or just like generally,

527
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: and he's like And then about the fourth time we'd

528
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: hang out, I was like, this is just your baseline.

529
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: I get it. What would they say about you? Though?

530
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I love Ryan too. But Ryan's like, he's.

531
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: Such a good dude. I have no idea.

532
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, like, as a dude, what do you think

533
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: they would say about you if I had Ryan here

534
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: and I could call Ryan. But if you're here and

535
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: he knows you're here, he's going to say things. He's

536
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: gonna be funny. But let's say you weren't here and

537
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: I said, hey, tell me about Jordan. What Ryan say?

538
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: I think he would say that. I think anybody I

539
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: work with would say that I care about what we

540
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: do when we're writing and producing, and I never phone

541
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: it in. And that's kind of my baseline is like

542
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: if you just never phone it in, you can always

543
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, just because like when you have success,

544
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: then you're like, it's because I worked so hard and

545
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep working so hard and show everybody that, like,

546
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: that's what I do and that's what I care about,

547
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: and and so a lot of people, especially like Rian,

548
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: he would definitely say yeah. He you know, he likes

549
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: to go above and beyond because you know, I'm the

550
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: one nitpicking and editing, and you know, Ryan will be like,

551
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: it's fine, we got that line, and I'm like, but

552
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: do we could it be better? Can we try this?

553
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: Can we do? You know?

554
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: Do you feel like because I experienced some of those

555
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: anxieties of I feel like I've only gotten here because

556
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: I worked really hard and I'm not that talented. Yeah,

557
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: like I do, I feel that way in my heart.

558
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: My wife tries to talk me down. I mean, I'm

559
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: going to therapy when this is as imposter big time? Right.

560
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: So how much of that situation like that you brought

561
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: up is your sensibilities where you're like you're perfectionists, you'll

562
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: be intro or how much and how much of it

563
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: is God? If your I would say fear, if I

564
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: don't work harder and do even more than I think

565
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: I should right now, maybe that's not enough.

566
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess the way I feel is

567
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: that if I phone stuff in and I get success,

568
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: now it's pure chaos, you know what I mean? Where

569
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: like if I just tried my hardest every time and

570
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: there's success, I can I can say it's because of that.

571
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: If it's if it's uh, you know, if it's happening

572
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: no matter what I do, then it's just it's like, wow,

573
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: there is you know, we are spinning out of control.

574
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: There's nothing real. I don't you know what I mean?

575
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: I do now when you say that, it's almost like

576
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: what it's almost like, what's the what's that purpose then?

577
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: Because I'd understand if it's successful, I put work into it.

578
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: But if I'm able to not do hard work and

579
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: it blows up, what's the value of even hard work?

580
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: Exactly?

581
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 2: Why would anybody do hard? But I would question that,

582
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: although I would like to be able to question that.

583
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: It'd be really cool if something happened easily.

584
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I love you know, I mean writers all

585
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: the time or artists that it feels like they don't

586
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: try very hard and it just works. And I'm kind

587
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: of jealous of that, but I wonder.

588
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: If they feel like they try hard though maybe it's

589
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: all maybe maybe like the hardest you've ever tried in

590
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: your life is probably trying hard for you, regardless of

591
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: what it is. If the hardest I've ever tried is

592
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: me trying hard, but then you look at me and

593
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: you're like, well, he doesn't really try the hard in comparison,

594
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: so to you, it doesn't look like I try hard.

595
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: But if to me, if I'm trying hard and it

596
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: works out, I think that's what it is. But I

597
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: guess it's just all relative.

598
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, it is, And I you know, like Ernest.

599
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: He can walk into a room and he can. I

600
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: was just Mitchell was telling me he just did a

601
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: vocal for Brooks and Dunn or something, and he walks

602
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: into the studio, goes to the booth and just takes

603
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: off his shirt and starts singing and like crushes it.

604
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, God, I wish I could just be

605
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: that guy, you.

606
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: Know, the thing he makes it look so and so

607
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: many different things he does, and like even when he's

608
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: like just doing his hip hop stuff, yeah, like it's

609
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: not the same. It's like it's a little bit, but

610
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: it's not. But he's also so good at that. But

611
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: you're right, But I'm gonna take this back something you

612
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: said earlier. A lot of times we see people doing

613
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: stuff easy, but we don't really see the stuff that's

614
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: happening right right, the hard work see Iceberg. Yeah, and

615
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: the underneath the tip of the water is all of.

616
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: That right well, you know, And I know people say

617
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: that to me, they're like.

618
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that about you.

619
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: They'll say they'll say it about my production, Like god,

620
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: you just like you're so quick, you know exactly what

621
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: you And I'm like in my head on panic, like,

622
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: oh God, Oh God, they're gonna tell me. You know.

623
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: I just heard a funny story about Kanye that my

624
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: buddy was working with him and he played him a

625
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: track and Kanye was like, this is the dopest track ever.

626
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: You are a god. Everybody in the room pay attention

627
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: to this guy. And then he's like, play me another one.

628
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: So he plays them another one and Kanye is like,

629
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: you need to delete that right now, and he actually

630
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: made him drag it to the trash, empty the trash,

631
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, you never wanted to play that for anybody,

632
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: trust me. And I'm like, that's my fear. My fear

633
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: is that everybody's gonna Kanye me.

634
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: But what if you get the first Kanye but you

635
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: also get the second Kanye?

636
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: Well, and you know, are you back to even?

637
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: Are you still ahead in your mind?

638
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm like far below zero at that point that

639
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: one negative interaction would cancel out like a hunting Yeah.

640
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: I mean you ever on my TikTok. You know, I

641
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: have the things that I look at. So what feeds

642
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: me music stuff, nineties, wrestling stuff, sports stuff. I get

643
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: a lot of Rick Rubin, Oh yeah, love Rick me too,

644
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Because as I talk about people that have varied interests

645
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: and styles and creation techniques. I mean, that guy has

646
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: done it all, from the Bac Boys to Tom Petty Wildflowers, right,

647
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: and I mean every kind of thing in between. He

648
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: doesn't look like he's supposed to look. He you know,

649
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: was this big. It's not as big anymore. We do

650
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: like this big hairy fat dude. This vegans yeah who

651
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: but he know me? So everything about him was wrong,

652
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: at least from what you expected. But I love Rick

653
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: Rubin because of that.

654
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he what I like about him is I

655
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: feel like I don't even know, like you know, you're

656
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: not gonna read an interview or watch one where he's like,

657
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, technically I was sure sitting there bubble. You know,

658
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: it's like I had to get into the artist's head,

659
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing where it's it's so

660
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: much more of like this mental game and like, uh,

661
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: connecting with people and creating a vibe. And you know,

662
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 1: I like to think I do the same thing.

663
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you about that, the psychology being a producer, Yeah,

664
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: because that's where I was leading. But you but before

665
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: I forget this next thought, I was watching Rick Rubin

666
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: talk about artists in general and when they create and

667
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 2: how they base a lot of their worth on if

668
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: it does well or if it doesn't. And I watched

669
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: him for like four minutes talk about how he recommends

670
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: that people create when they create there it's a it's

671
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: a journal entry for themselves mm hmm, because regardless of

672
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: how good it does, it's still an accurate representation of

673
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: what you are and what you did. And some journal

674
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: entries are just more interesting than others totally, even in life.

675
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: And like especially today with with all the social media

676
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: and TikTok driving the music business, it seems like.

677
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Like weird algorithms that we don't know.

678
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: Right right, and it's just kind of like I feel

679
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: like the days of like, oh, that song's a hit,

680
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: I know it, I know it. I think it was

681
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: like maybe Old Town Road that kind of busted that

682
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: door down where it's like, who would have thought that

683
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: was a hit? I mean, one of the biggest songs

684
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: of the decade. Who would have thought that was it?

685
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't think anybody would have called I don't

686
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: even think Lil nas X would have called that, you know,

687
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: And so I think think now it's kind of opened

688
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: this door to like, you know, there are obviously songs

689
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: we know sound hiddie, but I find most of the

690
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: time those are the ones that don't do anything. And

691
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: then you know, the the ones that that to me

692
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: didn't seem that hittie or seem weird or whatever, those

693
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: ones become the ones. And and so that happened to

694
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: me with God's Country, where I didn't think it was

695
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: that hitting. I thought it was really cool.

696
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask is it because it felt and

697
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to say different, because it does feel different.

698
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: It's how would I just because the first time I

699
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 2: heard it was just like dark. It was like it

700
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: was like it was like layered in a way of

701
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: wall of sound type stuff back in like like Wrecking Crew,

702
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: but you had like howls, and yeah, it felt like

703
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: that in a way that no other song felt. Where

704
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: I also was like, wow, I wonder if this was Blake,

705
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: if it would have even been given a shot because

706
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: it was so different.

707
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it was supposed to be Hardy. I mean

708
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: when we left the room and I sent them the demo,

709
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Hardy was like, you know, I want to hold this,

710
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: this is for me, you know, And I was like great,

711
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, job well done. And again it's not that

712
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I just I wouldn't have thought like, oh,

713
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: that's a smash, you know. I would have been like,

714
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: that's a really cool song. And there's like different.

715
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: Goal doesn't always know it's commercially successful.

716
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: For the most part, it never does, so, especially when

717
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: we're trying to call it. So yeah, you know, there's

718
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: just like the days of you know, and also because

719
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: there's so much external pressure as far as the social

720
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: media and and kids driving numbers that make hits. Now

721
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of turned into this like you know, the

722
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: A and R job of like I'm going to pick

723
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the hit and like we're just gonna have radio play it, and.

724
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: They're almost force it hit.

725
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: You get almost force it and and you know obviously

726
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: in the payola age way back when, but that's kind

727
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: of gone and it's like now it's literally just you're

728
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna throw a demo out on TikTok and if you

729
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: start building numbers that that's a hit. And it doesn't

730
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: matter what it sounds like, that could be a hit.

731
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: So I can't remember where I was going with all that.

732
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: Well, the last thing about the Rick Rubin stuff is that.

733
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he was saying, was you. It's so

734
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: it's more unpredictable now than ever before because everybody has

735
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: a shot, but also nobody has a really good shot anymore,

736
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: even if it's great crazy, but some people that have

737
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: bad stuff have a good show. So it's so unpredictable

738
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: that as long as you're doing what you're doing for you, yep,

739
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: like that's it and you just have to move to

740
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: the next page if it doesn't work.

741
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: And that's yes, that's how I feel. That's exactly what

742
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: Rick Rubin does. I feel like that's I totally I

743
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: can like I get that. I'm I'm the same way, like,

744
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: let's just make what we think is great. The world

745
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: will decide if it's great or not.

746
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: And because they decide nothing, it doesn't mean it's not.

747
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it is what it is. And there

748
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: are records I've done that you know, nobody's ever heard of,

749
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's one of my favorite records I've

750
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: ever done.

751
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: You ever have to get into the the confidence of

752
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: an artist and be like, hey, like you you're actually good.

753
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: I like, if they have what we're talking about a

754
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: little bit of imposter syndrome, and it's now time for

755
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: them to perform, and they're maybe not getting to that

756
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: level you know they can get. Do you ever have

757
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: to to get them with some coach k type stuff?

758
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: Some Yeah?

759
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, especially having friends that that I've

760
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: now seen that have started at the bottom and blown up.

761
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: You know, there have been those moments where it's like

762
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: we're almost like having an intervention, like you okay, man,

763
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: like you're doing it, You're okay, you know, and and

764
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: just keep doing what you've been doing. And and you know,

765
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: it's so funny because you get there through all this

766
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: confidence that you don't really realize as false confidence until

767
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: you're there, and then all of a sudden it's like,

768
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: oh god, I have no idea what I'm doing to me.

769
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, I've gotten to this place.

770
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to be really exposed because of where

771
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: I am and how and I'm really not that good. Yeah,

772
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: So it's different if I'm not good at a lower

773
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: level right now that I've somehow managed to get here,

774
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: and they find out how good I'm really not, it's

775
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: going to be even worse because I'm about to be exposed.

776
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: Get Kanye Man, Like, that's what That's what comes out

777
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: of me when you say that, because that's what I

778
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: feel like totally constantly.

779
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

780
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I didn't feel like that,

781
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: if I would have been as driven to be in

782
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: the same exact spot.

783
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. And then there's I think when

784
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: I had my first number one, I kind of like

785
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is it, this

786
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: is what we're We're here doing this for what was

787
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: the first one for you? Lights Come On by Jason

788
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: el Dean, And and after that I kind of went

789
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: through this depression of like, what now Now it's off

790
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: the charts. Now I've got nothing, there's you know, now

791
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: I just have to work that hard again to get

792
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: another song here, and like realizing how much had to come,

793
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: how the stars had to align for this song to

794
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: make it to the top of the charts, and it

795
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: just kind of, I don't know, it made me kind

796
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: of go inward a little bit and not not as confident,

797
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: I guess as some people would.

798
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: Weird because people would think it'd be the opposite, right,

799
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: And I've.

800
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: Seen some people do it where they get one and

801
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: they're like I'm the man, and.

802
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: That's so weird to me because I wish I had that.

803
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: I do too.

804
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: It would have been like, I'm jealous of that more

805
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: than I'm a hater of that. I used to be

806
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: a hater of that. Yep, me too, and be like,

807
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: now I wish I had just a little tinge of

808
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: blind confidence.

809
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Yep. But now I think it's been long enough and

810
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: consistent enough for me to go, Okay, well, I do

811
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, but also I know that

812
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about, and so I'm

813
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: not gonna sit there and be the boss or the

814
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: bully in the room. But I'm also not, you know,

815
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and take it from somebody who thinks

816
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially.

817
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: With your body of success. Even if every time that happens,

818
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I can't believe that happened, But if

819
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: it happens nine time times, eventually the logical party is

820
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: gotta be like, even if it's weird to me, there's

821
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: been a lot of success here. So obviously some part

822
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 2: of me, some innate part of me, is on right

823
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: in some way. Right, So yeah, I do understand how

824
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: you could be both at the same time. But I

825
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: think it would be difficult for someone to understand, Wait,

826
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: you just got a number one and now you're doubting yourself.

827
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no. It's really funny because like all right

828
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: with you know, Josh Osborne or Ashley Gorely. You know,

829
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: these these guys have of countless number ones and they

830
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: get in a room and they're not like, well, this

831
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: is what it is, this is what we're doing here.

832
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, what kind of ideas we got, Like, oh,

833
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: that's cool.

834
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: Why they're so good?

835
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: Honestly opposite and they're just they're pulling from everybody and

836
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: and they're co writing, and you know, I respect that,

837
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: And that's where I hope to I hope people would

838
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: say that about me, that I'm that way. I like

839
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: to think I.

840
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: Am the Bobby Cast. Will be right back. This is

841
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 4: the Bobby Cast.

842
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Laney for a second. Yeah.

843
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: I was again very fortunate to know Lanney before she did,

844
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: before anything happened, because she's so nice. She go over

845
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: to my house, wants to show me how to do

846
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: a dance to something I was I just finished dancing

847
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: with Stars and the But it was before Blanco's song

848
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: had hit, but she was doing the video. She was

849
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: in the video with him dancing in a parking lot

850
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: and I just messaged her and I was like hey,

851
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: because she didn't I had nor from her music, just

852
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: Nor from dancing with Blanco Brown's and I said, hey,

853
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: my name's Bobby. She was like I know you are,

854
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, can you show me how to

855
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: do this dance? She was like yeah. When I was like,

856
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you preach to us tomorrow,

857
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: next day? Whatever? She came over. We became friends. This

858
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: is six years ago. And when you talk about somebody

859
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: that has seen them actually go from nothing on the

860
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: career path, like, to me, it's Laney more than almost

861
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: anybody because I've just had a close relationship with her

862
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: the entire time before she put out her record. I

863
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: had her come play our big million dollar show at

864
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: the Rhyman and she did Queen Fat Bottom Girls, and

865
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: I was just a big fan of her and to

866
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: watch her blow up it's been awesome. But what's her

867
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: confidence level like when you're in a room with her.

868
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean, she's the coolest, She's she's so humble, she

869
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: uh and She hasn't changed, and that's you know, like

870
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: I started writing with her very early on and hasn't changed.

871
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: She's just She's Lainey. She is just salt of the earth,

872
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: nicest human. Like everything that's happened with her, I'm I'm

873
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: very proud of her. And and there's truly nobody that

874
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: deserves it more than her.

875
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: We don't see her anymore.

876
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: She's too famous for us now. It's not her fault.

877
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: She's just right.

878
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: And and there's a cycle, you know, everybody blows up.

879
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: You're kind of floating and not able to prioritize properly

880
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: because it's the first time it's ever happened. Having me

881
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: for a bit too, I just kind of got lost. Yep.

882
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: But Lanny's I don't worry about her. She's got her family.

883
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: She's just busy because she's.

884
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: Always hustled so much. Yeah, she came over to the

885
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: house and we recorded a song because I just just

886
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: the comedy stuff and I wrote a song because we

887
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: were going to open for Garth had asked me to

888
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: come open and do my comedy stuff in Razorback Stadium.

889
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: Was like one hundred thousand people. It was awesome, right,

890
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: it was a really great thing for me, and I

891
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: most things, I'm like, this is crazy. I'm not even

892
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: going to enjoy it because it's so stupid. But that

893
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: was like a really cool thing. I called and asked

894
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 2: me to do it, and so, but I still felt

895
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: it because I write jokes from a place of being

896
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: scared or fear or being insignificant, but you wouldn't know that.

897
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: So I wrote this song called Nobody Cares about the

898
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: Opening Act because I felt like nobody was gonna care

899
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: about me when I was up there. So I wrote

900
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: Nobody Cares about the Opening Act whatever. And I called

901
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: Landy and I was like, hey, do you want to

902
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: write a verse for this and sing it? Because she

903
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: knew as well as anyone what it's like to go

904
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: and have nobody care, right, And so she came over,

905
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: and my point is she's when she's singing and she's

906
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: laying down. She wrote it was so funny. She didn't

907
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: even ask for help with the jokes the song. It

908
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: was so funny. But she'd be like, Okay, is that good?

909
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: Should I re sing this? And we're like you're the pro, Yeah,

910
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: you know, you've even done the funny stuff that we

911
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: think we're good at and you've even nailed that.

912
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so just just a talent.

913
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Just really exciting to see that happen to her.

914
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: And how'd that show go?

915
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: By the way, And I don't like anything, it was awesome.

916
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: It was really the court. That's my home and that's

917
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: also Garth Brooks and it's my favorite play if I want,

918
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: my favorite place in the whole world is Razorback Stadium,

919
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: Arkanas Football.

920
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: You think he peaked at that moment. Now you're constantly peaking.

921
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: No, no peak? Wait before that, Yeah, no, there was

922
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: a peak. I'm not I've already peaked.

923
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: So what's what I say?

924
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: We're done there. I'm just gonna try to stay on

925
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: the top, bitch part of the mountain. I want to say,

926
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Hidi for a long time.

927
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: Pas I.

928
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: Before you and I started this, I went through a

929
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: lot of of Liker your body of work, and Mike

930
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: and I were talking about some of your songs. If

931
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: I were to say, and best can be interpreted anyway,

932
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: but what's the best song that you've ever produced? Because

933
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 2: you love how freaking sounds, I would have.

934
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: To say it would be drunk me with Mitchell. That

935
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: was like the first like I'm gonna try so hard

936
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: because Mitchell promised me this was going to be on radio.

937
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: He promised me this was going to be a number one.

938
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: And I sat there at Lost Palmis with him like

939
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: this guy's crazy but okay, and so I just I

940
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: tried and I that was when that kind of set

941
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: the bar for me. And yeah, I'd have to say, drunk.

942
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: Me, what about the writing? What what? It didn't have

943
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: to be a whole song, but like, what's something that

944
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: you can hear back and be like, goy, dang, I

945
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: nailed that.

946
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean I would say Watermelon Unshine. But Josh kir

947
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: was kind of the the main driver of that one.

948
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm just proud that.

949
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: He let me even a line, even a line you

950
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: like you look. We were talking with Dolly a month

951
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: or so ago, and she has lines that she remembers

952
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: writing just lines out of songs, and that she's like,

953
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: this line in this song was so funny and so

954
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: good and it still works. Do you have any anything

955
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: like that where you're like, man, this this this line

956
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: and this song I'm so proud of.

957
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I have to go back to Drunk May.

958
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: The whole we didn't have the title or anything, and

959
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: we were just we were kind of writing it from verse,

960
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, which I look back at now and I'm like, oh,

961
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: that's so crazy to think we didn't have a title

962
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: and we're just writing a song that's so anti Nashville.

963
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: But we kind of get to the end of the

964
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: chorus and we're like, Okay, what is the line? And

965
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: I actually I went to the bathroom and I'm sitting

966
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: there peeing, and I'm like, drunk me, drunk me, can't

967
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: get over you. And I like, I don't even think

968
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: I zipped up all the way. I'm like running in.

969
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, drunk me can't get over you. Drunk me

970
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: can't get over you. And they're like, oh, that's it.

971
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: And you know, that was just like this this moment

972
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: where it was, uh, I felt like the hero.

973
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

974
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

975
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

976
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

977
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: I want to talk about your wife for a second.

978
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: This was totally random. I swear to god, I had

979
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: no idea the one you two are married.

980
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't have done it.

981
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: I know, but she told me you would never know,

982
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: so I was on Instagram this morning, just flipping through stuff.

983
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: And I don't always look at my tess because sometimes

984
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: either they can be too mean or way too nice,

985
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: or it's just people trying to get a song. It's

986
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: five thousand people going listen to this song. And was

987
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: in a commercial break or something, and usually we're working,

988
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: but I flipped over and I was just interested because

989
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: she was holding up those white sheets of paper, kind

990
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: of like like music video Bob Dylan, Yeah yeah, or

991
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: the Love Movie with Hugh Grant but they oh Love

992
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: actually yeah, because the other one's like Subterranean Homesick Blues

993
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: or subterraneing that Bob Dylan song, Subterranean whatever. So she's

994
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: holding up the paper and I'm like, oh, I'll watch this.

995
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: And it was on silent because I need text because

996
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: it keeps it and so whatever. And she's like, Oh,

997
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: I have dreams. I want to do this and this

998
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: and this, and I was like, Oh, good for her.

999
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: Hope she does opry. That'd be cool if she could

1000
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: do that.

1001
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: And yeah.

1002
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: Then she said be a guest on The Boybone Show.

1003
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, wait, I can affect that.

1004
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1005
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: Literally, what I thought didn't know didn't. I didn't even

1006
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: know that today. I thought tomorrow was the day you

1007
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: were coming over from me. My schedule so weird. I

1008
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: just kind of wake up and I'm told, like, I

1009
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: prepare for it, but I don't really know. Sometimes I

1010
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: just get dragged over to it and so and Mike

1011
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: could can vouch for me. So I text Abby Smiers,

1012
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: who were very close. With the Smiers my wife and

1013
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 2: Abby are very close. Were years So I say, hey,

1014
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: she nice. I didn't even say is she good, but

1015
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: it's like, is she nice? And she had because I

1016
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: saw it that she had commented on the post. And

1017
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: there's a difference in Nashville commenting and friend commenting. A

1018
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: lot of people now you slay girl, you don't even really.

1019
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: But she's like, no, she want my best friends. She's awesome.

1020
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: I said, I would ask you if she's any good,

1021
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: but I can't ask you that since she's one of

1022
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: one of your best friends. And she said, okay, but

1023
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: she's good. And she goes and her music not only

1024
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: can she sing really well live, her music has always

1025
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: produced really well because her husband and I was like

1026
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: her husband, so she was like, oh my god, this

1027
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: is the weirdest thing ever, and so I called her.

1028
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: I got a number from Abby this morning. I said,

1029
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: don't tell her because I may not call her. That

1030
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: was crazy because I was like, it was all just

1031
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: a time thing too. If I have time and we

1032
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: were doing our podcast and I may not, I may

1033
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: not call her, so don't say anything. And I've known

1034
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: Abby long enough I knew she wouldn't And so I

1035
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: just call and she doesn't answer because my number just

1036
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: shows up as a random and then I leave a

1037
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: message and I feel stupid leaving and I'm like, hey,

1038
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 2: it's Bob Bones. And she calls back and I was like, hey,

1039
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: you've been vouched for by people that I respect and admire.

1040
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: And I am not a big energy guy, but I'm

1041
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 2: a big believer in sharing your goals because people will actually.

1042
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Help you totally totally.

1043
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can affect this, so come

1044
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: up and you are here today. It's that to me,

1045
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: that's crazy, and I don't believe, like that's that's that's

1046
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: like next level stuff. I don't really think it's next level,

1047
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: but I think it's like what a wonderful, serendipitous just

1048
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: turn of of everything that because I like if people

1049
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: like stick their neck out for me, like I always

1050
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 2: appreciate it. So that's why I try to like affect

1051
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: things if I can. Had nothing to do with you,

1052
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: and you're here today, and I'm not even bringing her

1053
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: on this podcast because she's having her own spot awesome,

1054
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: you know. And I was like, you know, and so

1055
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: you're not coming on. But that's the reason she's not coming.

1056
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 2: What the heck is it front porch? Well, let's see.

1057
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: This is so I do during an interview. I think

1058
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: my wife's here.

1059
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: Hello, is this a special guest?

1060
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: I was promised, yes, come on in, come on in,

1061
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: Tom DeLong, So yeah, I don't. I didn't even want

1062
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: to bring her. I'm glad she's here because I know,

1063
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to bring her on because I

1064
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: didn't want this to be her moment.

1065
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: Well and I mean she uh, she would outshine me.

1066
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: She's a lot funnier. My wife's a safer crazy. I

1067
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: can't take like for what I'm celebrated for. She's better

1068
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: than Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm very happy. I

1069
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: thought she was going to get a mic and I

1070
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: was like, well, there goes my interview.

1071
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: Well it's not because of you, it's mostly because I

1072
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: want her to have her own.

1073
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: No, that's good.

1074
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: Now you only married a couple of years. Yeah, we we.

1075
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: Got no, we got yeah, twenty twenty.

1076
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: Two years are all off. It's okay right now.

1077
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we immediately got pregnant immediately and uh

1078
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: kind of by accident. And now we're parents, and uh

1079
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: it's awesome. But yeah, so we celebrated our one month

1080
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: or our one year anniversary with a baby.

1081
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: It's a tough question to ask because it's very loaded question,

1082
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: and there's an answer that you have to give. But

1083
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: how what's it like being a parent? I'm not I

1084
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: love it. So we're listen. I've always wanted to have

1085
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: kids at some point.

1086
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

1087
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: I'm petrified to have kids because of I didn't have

1088
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: a model. I didn't have a dad. Yeah, I didn't

1089
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: have a parents. I didn't have so I saw none

1090
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: of that. I don't know successful unit. I don't know

1091
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: successful raising kids. I don't know successful being raised as

1092
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 2: a kid. So I have this I'm not gonna say irrational,

1093
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: but I do have this fear totally that that's gonna

1094
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: happen again. But I'm gonna be the other side of it.

1095
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I mean I I did

1096
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: have parents, and I was still terrified.

1097
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: What's awesome about it? Though? Like really because it just

1098
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: seems like a lot of work and I'm gonna screw

1099
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 2: it up.

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00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. But the first time you

1101
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: see your kids smile at you got to get choked

1102
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: up even just thinking. I mean, it's like that. It's

1103
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff where it's like, I've never been

1104
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: a guy gets choked up on an interview with Bobby

1105
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: Bones and here I am, like, I love my kid.

1106
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's that kind of stuff. It's it's realizing

1107
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: that you're you created something that is going to outlive

1108
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: you and is going to affect the world, hopefully in

1109
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: a good way, long after you're gone. And you know,

1110
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of like I'm used to making records, which

1111
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: I hope live on forever, but you know, obviously there's

1112
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: gonna be trillions of records made after I'm gone, So

1113
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a fool's errand to think that

1114
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: that you can create something that will live on forever.

1115
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: And I feel like that that's like the closest we

1116
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: can come to having something live on forever and you know,

1117
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: spreading your genes and your DNA and hopefully your good

1118
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: parenting and creating. You know, I think a lot of

1119
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: times too, with where we're at in you know, society

1120
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: right now, everyone's kind of just screaming at each other

1121
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: like you'd be different, you'd be different, you know whatever.

1122
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm not gonna waste my time telling

1123
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: other people how to be. I'm just gonna tell my

1124
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: kid how they should be, and hopefully that kind of

1125
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: just spreads and.

1126
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: Let me in on this. What's up with Instagram? I

1127
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: don't even see what they're gone.

1128
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not on anything. Yeah, just like you I

1129
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: what you said earlier. You know, you kind of just

1130
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: start seeing the negativity, and you know, I'm like, I'm stoked.

1131
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: I just I put everything I had into this song

1132
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: and it gets released and I and then I go

1133
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: look at the comments like this sucks. I hate this,

1134
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: Like this goes hard on mute, you know that kind

1135
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: of stuff, and you're just like that sucks, Like I

1136
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: work so hard on this.

1137
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: Just like it even though you know, because you're speaking

1138
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: out of my mouth, I feel even though I know

1139
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: those people have nothing to do they have not It's

1140
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: still it hurts. It still sucks. Even even having complete

1141
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: rational thought with right that you still it still sucks.

1142
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: Right, And then it blinds you to the I love this,

1143
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this saved my life like that, you know.

1144
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, yeah, okay, okay, but that guy he

1145
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: said it sucks, you know, And so for me it

1146
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: was too much focus on that, you know. And also

1147
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty was a weird time with the whole

1148
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: internet and it just the canceling and this and they

1149
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: can't say this, can say that, you know, you have

1150
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: to do this, you have It was just like all right,

1151
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: I just love making music. I'm going to focus on that.

1152
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on being a good husband. I'm

1153
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: going to focus on being the person that I want

1154
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: to be. And honestly, there's nothing I miss about social media.

1155
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: There's nothing. And I get it through her, like I

1156
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: see my wife's you know, she'll show me stuff on

1157
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: Instagram and I don't feel like I'm I'm out of

1158
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: the loop really on anything.

1159
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: You are. We're all talking about it on this well

1160
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 2: but hear it, I know, but it's really the conversation

1161
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: is now how to touch you are with us, amazing

1162
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: the kids. Uh man, congratulations on just maintaining like consistency,

1163
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: like quality consistency.

1164
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate. That's what I'm going.

1165
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: For because that's the hardest thing.

1166
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: It is, it's very hard.

1167
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: It's also hard to have quality inconsistency, but it's easier

1168
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: to do that than it is to have quality consistency.

1169
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: And that is you know, that's what I think of

1170
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: when I think of you, and I don't know you,

1171
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: but obviously living in this town and having friends that

1172
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: no friends and no friends like, that's always been my

1173
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: association with you as like a guy who does it,

1174
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: does it well, and moves on to do the next

1175
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: thing well. And if it happens to be freaking great, awesome,

1176
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: and if it happens to be a little less than well,

1177
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: that's okay too. But yeah, you're going to do a

1178
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: good job. It's going to have all the effort in it. Yeah,

1179
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: And so that's always what I've felt about you, even

1180
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: before knowing you. But now after I met you, I

1181
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: don't believe that at all. You're just losing well sorry, yeah,

1182
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: you can't follow him anywhere unless you leave my house

1183
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: and follow him home. So I have, but but really

1184
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: it's been really cool for me to get to hang out.

1185
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: And it's just so weird that I called your wife

1186
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: this morning to be like, come on my show, and

1187
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: is the day you're coming to my house?

1188
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. Yeah, I called your wife today too,

1189
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: but she didn't pick up.

1190
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: No, you texted her a picture and she said it

1191
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: was on zipped like drunk me and she was like,

1192
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: tell him not to do that anymore.

1193
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: Bobby, he's got a quest.

1194
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Jordan, thank you and this has been awesome And

1195
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: I purposefully Renee did not bring you on.

1196
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

1197
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: She sitting right beside me. She was like, am I

1198
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: sitting too close to you? When we do this interview?

1199
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: I was like, not to me. Maybe you think you're

1200
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: too close to Maybe am I that weird? Like so,

1201
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: but Renee, we'll do this a different time. Awesome, good

1202
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: to see men.

1203
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast

1204
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 4: production