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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one twelve,

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Speaker 1: Tayn the show, We're joined by Eddie Claypool, a freelance

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Speaker 1: outdoor writer and super successful white tailed bow hunter, and

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Speaker 1: our topic is going to be d I Y, public

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Speaker 1: and private land white tail strategies. All right, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sitka Gear,

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Speaker 1: and today I'm joined by Eddie Claypool, a longtime freelance

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Speaker 1: outdoor writer and can tributor to Peterson's Bow Hunting magazine

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Speaker 1: and one of the most successful d I Y and

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Speaker 1: public land bow hunters in the country. He is an

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Speaker 1: avid white tail hunter and a guy who knows how

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Speaker 1: to get it done on wily old bucks in tough conditions.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're gonna chat with Eddie about

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Speaker 1: today in the next hour or two. My goal is

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Speaker 1: that we can get an inside look into how Eddie

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Speaker 1: is able to have such great success across the country

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Speaker 1: chasing mature bucks all on his own and on a

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Speaker 1: reasonable budget. And I want to do this because I

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Speaker 1: know there are a lot of people out there, maybe you,

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Speaker 1: who want to go on that dream white tail trip,

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Speaker 1: but you're not exactly sure how to pull it off,

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Speaker 1: or if you can afford it, or where you should

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Speaker 1: even start when trying to plan it. So that's what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try to talk about today, hardcore d I

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Speaker 1: pull off the white tail hunt of your dreams, whether

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Speaker 1: that's fifteen miles from home or fifteen hundred. But before

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Speaker 1: we do that, we need to pause briefly to thank

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Speaker 1: our friends at sick Gear for the supp or of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, And as have been the case for the

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Speaker 1: past few weeks, I'm recording again at their headquarters here

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Speaker 1: in Bozeman, Montana, And in a couple of days, the

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Speaker 1: Hunting Film Tour is gonna be launching their two thousand

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Speaker 1: sixteen tour here in town, and one of the films

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Speaker 1: that I believe is going to be on that tour

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Speaker 1: is called Beyond the Roar, and it features actually a

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Speaker 1: past podcast guest of ours, Aaron Hitchens. You might remember

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Speaker 1: that episode last year. I think now over the past

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Speaker 1: few months As you likely know, we've been sharing short

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Speaker 1: sitcast stories here featuring different hunters, and they're interesting or

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Speaker 1: exciting experiences that have taken place while wearing clothing. Well

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Speaker 1: Beyond the Roar the film is without a doubt interesting

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Speaker 1: and exciting and remarkably profound, and it's also a sitcast story.

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Speaker 1: So rather than regale you with that story here, I

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Speaker 1: just encourage you to check out that film, which you

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Speaker 1: can view online when you get a chance. It follows

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Speaker 1: Aaron and his friend will Is the embark on a

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Speaker 1: canoe as they seek out adventure and a way to

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Speaker 1: honor their recently past friend. We just posted the video

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Speaker 1: over on wired to Hunt dot com, so head there

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Speaker 1: and check it out. Beyond the Roar is very well

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Speaker 1: done and very much a sick story. So with that said,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Claypool. Welcome to show, Eddie. Thank you. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited to finally chat with you. You know, like

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Speaker 1: articles for a long time now, and uh, I've definitely

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you've been able to do

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Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about about your background.

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Speaker 1: How you got to this point as you such a

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Speaker 1: successful outdoor writer. Well, you know, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: And I've been blessed so many different types of habitat

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Speaker 1: people whore gone, and you can really do some power

432
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: scouting in the winter. But you also just get familiar

433
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: with the people of the country and you'll start picking

434
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: up these little hidden gems. It will be there, you know,

435
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: people talk and all this stuff is. You know, the

436
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: localist guard it pretty carefully usually, and unless you're there

437
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: and giving yourself a chance to you know, to be

438
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: in the frying pan, you may not be able to

439
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: research at ahead of time. There are plenty of places

440
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: to research, and you know, you may need to pick

441
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: a larger or higher profile area from you know, off

442
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: the internet or game and Fish or local websites and

443
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: go and start it, and then you can get into

444
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: finding these other little spots of your own. And there's

445
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: always landowners, there's always some, there's always a few left

446
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: here there that will let you hunt. I've never been anywhere.

447
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't care how taken up it is with commercialization.

448
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: There's still some landowners that will, but you hunt, so

449
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: overall it ain't rocket science, you know, it's just a

450
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: matter of you know, you've got to pick a spot

451
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: and say, well, I'm gonna give this a couple of years.

452
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I've I've been through about four cycles,

453
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: maybe five cycles, and why kill hunting? Lifetime of picking areas,

454
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: going to them, trying to homestead them for a given

455
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: amount of time, and losing them eventually and every time

456
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: barnet and it's been to the commercialization of the sport

457
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: that's run me out of it. I mean, you would

458
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: go there, you know, knock on doors and have open

459
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: hunting opportunities and end up somehow another cancer of money

460
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: hunting shows up and you know, you go down the

461
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: road five six years later, but you just got to

462
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: stay ahead of a little bit. Moved to another state

463
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: that's not getting as much attention. Uh. You know, in

464
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: the past half dozen to ten years, the main focused

465
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: states of Iowa, Illinois, Kansas and stuff like that. There

466
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: just as a whole lot left there on private property

467
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: to access for the average guy. I live right beside Kansas,

468
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: right beside it and have spent over twenty years in it,

469
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: and I don't have a single private land place left

470
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: in that state time. It's that bad. And so you know,

471
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm missed pretty well, alligated to hunting little nuggets of

472
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: public here and there. But I've been able to take

473
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, bucks that will you know, hundred five to

474
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: thirty five inches off of those places pretty well every year.

475
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: And there are bigger so you know, it's just a

476
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: matter of doing restarts. Get on Google Earth and you know,

477
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: get plat books, call counties biplat books. I have a

478
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: stack of flat books that's ridiculous. Some people may consider

479
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: an old fashioned, but you know they certainly give you

480
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: land ownership of every bit of the county, show the

481
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: road systems and different things. It's just mass research and

482
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: then putting a putting a warm body in that spot

483
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: for a year or two and doing the footwork and

484
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: the leg work and the driving. And you know, if

485
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: you within you know a year, you get a strong

486
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: feeling you're wasting your time in a spot, which I

487
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 1: have done. I went to a spot last year. It's

488
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: been a month in it and just walked away from it.

489
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: So this is waste of time and time to cut

490
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: my losses and go to Plan B. But you'll win something,

491
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: you'll lose some, but overall, if you do the work.

492
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: It's like anything else in life. If you spend the

493
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: time and do the work, you will reap the benefits.

494
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: You know. So on these trips where you're you're trailing

495
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: out there to this new area. Um, from what I've

496
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: heard from you, it sounds like most of the time,

497
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: or maybe all the time, you're camping up there. And

498
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: I imagine that's a big part of how you can

499
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: do this on a relative relatively small budget. I'm assuming, Um,

500
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: is that true? Is that something you do to to

501
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: make these trips more feasible? And if so, you know,

502
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: how do you go go about pulling that off? One

503
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: of the logistics of your of your mobile camp right, Well,

504
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, I usually try to start on an area

505
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: and the like I said, because I'm gonna move somewhere

506
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: and explore a new state or a new area, I'll

507
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: do it. I'll try to start it off in the

508
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: late winter and I'll go there and yeah, I usually

509
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: just camp out on those little short trips for a

510
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: few days. I'll you know, use my I have a

511
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of gear from being a Western hunter, you know,

512
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: good bags and tents and you name it. Or now

513
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I've actually, at my age now migrated up to a

514
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: little pick up or to a bolt camper. But I

515
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: lived got to pick up shellf campers for many years,

516
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: and you know it's rough. I'm not lie to you.

517
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: If you ain't got to wherewithal to tough it out some,

518
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: then you probably ain't going to get this whole picture

519
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: painted anyway. If you're not mentally tough and physically tough,

520
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: you probably won't paint a good to it yourself white

521
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: tail pictures. So that's a warning right up front. If

522
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: you're scared of camping out and you know, putting up

523
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: with a little bit. Uh God forgive me, but I

524
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: just basically say, you know, go play golf or something,

525
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: you know. Um uh anyway, Yeah, I camp out a lot,

526
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: and then by the time that I have decided whether

527
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: the place is going to get an entire season of

528
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: my attention or not. Um I usually by then I

529
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: will take my you know, trailer with me and stay

530
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: in yet or if it's not logistically sensible. I have

531
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: actually rented a room in a place in or rent

532
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: room for a month. Uh, there's places to be found.

533
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes even if you have to get

534
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: a motel room, if you're rent by the month and

535
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: have a hut anybody with you, you can get very

536
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: budgeted on on things. So when it comes down to

537
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: that month in November, you know, a lot of times

538
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: I try to set myself up a little bit better

539
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: than camped out if I can, though I have had

540
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: to camp out in a lot of really remote, rugged places.

541
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: But um, I don't always camp out. I like being

542
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: able to get up in the warm room, put my

543
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: clothes on, and have a shower, you know, in different things.

544
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: But um, I just go with the flow. Um. I

545
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: just try to tackle each thing as I face it.

546
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: And I live out of my truck most of the time,

547
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: even if I'm not camping out, I don't go eat

548
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: out at two or three times every day and things.

549
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: And U I'm a very you know, low uh low

550
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: overhead guy. So all right, let's say what we're there. Now,

551
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: We've picked a state, We've picked an area. We're gonna

552
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: camp out for a week or a couple of weeks

553
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. How do you start that process

554
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: on a new property. You've done some digital scouting maybe,

555
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: and maybe you did your winter trip, but what how

556
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: does this process start your first couple of days. Are

557
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: you just scouting? Do you jump right and start hunting?

558
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: What do you do? Well, let's just say it it's

559
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: a public land place. Because we don't have any strings

560
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: attached to that, we can do what we want pretty

561
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: well most any time of the year. What I try

562
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: to do is, you know, I will usually get there

563
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: in early to mid October and spend another week, possibly

564
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: the five days for sure, hopefully UH had another little

565
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: camping trip and put the boot to it. Uh. I

566
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: will drive. I want to go around the perimeter and

567
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: learn the access points and figure out, you know, where

568
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: most of the man says are going to be coming from. Then,

569
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: if I've done my you know, digital scouting properly, I'm

570
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: going to know where the most remote areas of this

571
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: public area are the most inaccessible. Those are the priorities

572
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: to me. That will that's what separates, you know, the

573
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: the doers from the hoopers, you know, the ones that

574
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: hope to kill a good deer. Um, I will find

575
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: access to these remote areas one way or the other,

576
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: however it might be, and get that set up and

577
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: get it figured out. Gett my some stands, sights prepared,

578
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, get in there and do the physical scouting

579
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and figure out where and how I'm gonna hunt and

580
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: if I access it's difficult. Like there's some spots hunt

581
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: that I have to have a boat, you know, I

582
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: may use a canoe whatever. I just get that figured out,

583
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: get all of the gistics you know, lined out, so

584
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: that when I come back a few weeks later in

585
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: early November to do the killing. Um, you know, how

586
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: ever I got and never keeps. That's what my October

587
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: trip will do for me. It'll get me, you know

588
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: a lot of time saved and a lot of heartache

589
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: saved by physically being there and getting myself prepared so

590
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: that when I come in November, I can spend my

591
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: time in you know some spots that have already got

592
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: prepared and um, I don't have to, you know, I

593
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: plan on them. I'm a rut hunter. I'm not a

594
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: real preseason rut pre rut hunter. I don't pattern there

595
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: early season well and hunt them on food sources and

596
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: different things. I know there's guys that do that, but

597
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: that's a different line. I'm not there. I'm a I

598
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: killed ninety nine of my dear in the rut, and

599
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: I may not never have even seen the deer even

600
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: though it exists. I like to hunt what I call

601
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: kind of rutting corridors where I feel the bucks are

602
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: going to walk film at some point during the rut.

603
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: There may not even be a lot of sign there.

604
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: I just kind of have learned what these places are

605
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: and how to you know, you know, through your digital

606
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: and foot scouting, you can kind of narrow down it,

607
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: don't scientists. If you break it down in every square

608
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: a mile there there's a lot of factors like access

609
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: by the people, and if you if you start marking

610
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: off the areas that are going to not be any

611
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: good because they're way too easy to get to and

612
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: way too many people be them, and then take what's

613
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: left and just figure that the deer will be hiding

614
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: pretty well in that amount of country, then it shouldn't

615
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: be you know, rocket science to figure out how they're

616
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna walk around in that country during the rut and

617
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: get from one area to the other. And what I

618
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: try to do is pick some either penchpoints or types

619
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: of funnels that when they're moving from one area to

620
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: the next, they're going to walk through it. And there

621
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: isn't often a lot of sign in those spots, and

622
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: there isn't often a lot of hunting in those spots.

623
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: It may be a fence row across the pasture, you know,

624
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: between two creep drainages or something. Everybody hunts to two

625
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: creek drainages. I'm liable to be setting out there in

626
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: a tree in the fence row, you know, in that

627
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: past year. But you until you get ready to go

628
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: out on a limb and kind of do some of

629
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: that stuff, you really will not know what you're missing,

630
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, on big running white tails. So when you're

631
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: actually out there doing that on the ground scout, if

632
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: you're not looking for some of the kind of stereotypical

633
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: type of dear sign that lots of guys think about,

634
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: what is it specifically that you're looking for when you

635
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: are scouting for your style? You know, I've said this

636
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: for years among my friends, and some of them have

637
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: come to get a grip on it, and I don't

638
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: even know what it means myself, but I just say

639
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: that I hunt by what I call feel, just by feel,

640
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: And I guess it'd be like, you know, maybe you

641
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: get a photo album of pictures or something, you sigm

642
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: through it and when you're done, you shut it up,

643
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: and then your mind floats back to what you just

644
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: looked at through that hole, you know, compilation of photos.

645
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: It will have, you know, have a theme. Well, when

646
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I out there, either whether I'm on foot scouting all

647
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: this country or I'm done at by Google Earth or

648
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: topographic map or whatever, aerial photos, whatever, I let each

649
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: one of these factors be a photo to me in

650
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: my mind, and I'm logging everything that I see down,

651
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: everything from what people might call you know, betting areas

652
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: or trails or food sources, to you know, open fields

653
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: versus thick vegetation, creep bottom coming up against a bluff.

654
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: I look at the over over the basically, I look

655
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: at the lay of the land. That's what I try

656
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: to do and put the whole picture of it together,

657
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: and then I'm just going to buy steel. I'm gonna

658
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: kind of know or get a pretty strong indication of

659
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: where I can set in the month of November and

660
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: have running bucks passing through as they're traveling around because

661
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: we you know, we all know that they're going to

662
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: be up on the moon even during the day in November.

663
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: And no, they're not going to be in of the

664
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: habitat during the day, but that five, yeah, they're going

665
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: to be up in it during the day trying to

666
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: breed a dough or find another dough. And I just

667
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of look at the whole picture of an area,

668
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: and after time I will get a feel for two

669
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: or three spots that have all the ingredients right to

670
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: the highest percentage, and then you know, that's where I

671
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: will set in November, and it's the best you can do.

672
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: From that point on. You've got to toss it to fate.

673
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: It ain't it ain't a perfect science. There's no perfect

674
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: formula that can be given to make it work every time.

675
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: That's why we like it. It's hunting. Just you know,

676
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: don't put so much pressure on yourself, do your best

677
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: to have fun and learn, and you'll get good at

678
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: it over time. I didn't. I didn't get where I'm

679
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: at in ten years, you know. So you talked about funnels.

680
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: They're one of the main things you're looking for, these

681
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: travel quarters, these running funnels or pinch points, and you

682
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: know that's that's it was the term that we his hunters,

683
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: white to hunters talked about all the time. And you know,

684
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: there's the very generic type of pinch point where two

685
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: big pieces of timber pinched down into a little narrow section.

686
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: But other than that, I think sometimes a lot of

687
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: guys I don't know exactly what to look for when

688
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: it comes to some of these slightly little more subtle

689
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: pinch points or funnels. Can you can you kind of

690
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: walk us through some more specifics of specific types of

691
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: terrain or cover or whatever it might be that that

692
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: youth key and on when trying to find those those

693
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: funnels or travel quarters. Right, well, I'll tell you one,

694
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: there are so many different facets and it's so many

695
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: so much depended upon what type of train. But like Frenches,

696
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I had a lot of habitat in Kansas that has

697
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: a good mix of open and wooded. It's you know,

698
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: let's just call it fifty fifty. Maybe it's farm land

699
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: or pastures. And then what did great bottoms and what

700
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: did old and if it thinks there's a lot of

701
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: edge cover, you know, even in a creek bottom that's

702
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: a long landing or a creek bottom that's open on

703
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: both sides. Rutting bucks. You know, you want to travel

704
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: that edge. They want to travel the edge and if

705
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: if not, possibly more shade down into the open um

706
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: during that peak of the right now. And I'm not

707
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: talking about October or December. I'm talking about when they're

708
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, on the psycho bench and uh so I

709
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: will often rather than get down in the creek bottom

710
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: where most of the sign is and we're traditionally, you know,

711
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: everybody thinks, well, you know they're gonna travel along the

712
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: creek down there in the cover. Well that's not always

713
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: the case at all, especially sometimes for the bigger bucks.

714
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: They will literally walk right outside the edge of the

715
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, the edge of the creek bottom timber along

716
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: the open um. So I will set out there, you know,

717
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: in a tree and the edge of the open where

718
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: I can see a large area because I've learned to

719
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: prioritize getting eyes are reading buck over necessarily setting in

720
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: a spot that he was going to walk by within

721
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: bow range. That's good if you can figure that out

722
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: and get set that close to where one's going to

723
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: walk right by. And I have places that are that defined,

724
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: but I would rather be setting in a general area

725
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: and get my eye on a rudding buck, even if

726
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: it's a two hundred yards or something, because I'm going

727
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: to probably call that deer in uh. You know, those

728
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: deer are crazy that time of year, and if they

729
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: haven't been educated or harassed to death, they're very susceptible

730
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: to calling. And so I'll set out on the edge

731
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: of a tree line instead of down in the cover.

732
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: And most people don't even look at that edge as

733
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: a funnel, but it is. I don't call it a funnel,

734
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: it's more of a h corridor. They will travel along

735
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: the edge, um, instead of be down there in that

736
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: thicker cover. They're down in the creek bottoms at night

737
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 1: and are going crazy down in there because that's where

738
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, all of those go down in there to feed.

739
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: But during the day, I've watched more big bucks to

740
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: lot and lay in the open, even by themselves, whether

741
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: with hot bulls or not, bed out in the open,

742
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: and then make their way down to that cover in

743
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: the evening, you know. And people kind of got to

744
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: break away from traditional logic on you know, just hunting

745
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: the you know, the standard spots of cover I've killed

746
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: more big deer out in the open or virtually semi open,

747
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: than I've ever killed in the thick cover. And there's

748
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: there's different habitats. There's places where what I'm saying is

749
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: not feasible. I'm not giving you a cover all here.

750
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm giving you about an instance of one of my

751
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: more popular types of habitat, I hunt. But I've seen

752
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: places to where I've hinted in Illinois, places in the

753
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: farm country to where if you could find the thickest, nastiest,

754
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: wooly boger place to get in, then yeah, that's where

755
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: you need to be during the middle of the day

756
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: because the bucks are gonna be done in there. They're

757
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: not gonna be laying out in a farm field. There's

758
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: too much human activity. But everything is relevant. But you know, bottlenecks,

759
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: to me, are just some kinds as simple as a

760
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: change of terrain, like um, you know, in Kansas, where

761
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: a hunter's a lot of rolling hills and and um,

762
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: there may only be a little swag in one of

763
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: the ridge lines. You know, a thirty ft deep saddle

764
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: in a ridge line between two creek languages. If that

765
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: has any type of uh, you know, I'll even setting

766
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: homemade ground blinds in those saddles. Most people would think

767
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: you're out of your mind hunt there. But during the

768
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: month of November and especially mid to late November, those

769
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: bucks will won't jump drainages. They'll jump drainages, and they

770
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: won't do it traditionally by going all the way down

771
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: and bending around to the well. The next creek comes

772
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: into verms that and going up there, they'll jump over.

773
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: I've killed some of my biggest bucks jumping over open country,

774
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: and I look for my saddles between you know, drainages

775
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: that are a perfect spot for a reading buck to

776
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: hop over from one drainage to another. So there's just

777
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: a lot of different little things to do with habitat

778
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: and you know, the geography to look at that can

779
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: become semi bottleneck type features. You know. Yeah, something something

780
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: you mentioned just a second ago kind of jumped out

781
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: at me, and that was the fact that you put

782
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: it seems like you put a lot of confidence in

783
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: your ability to call to these deer, which kind of

784
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: surprised me because you know, from some of my experiences

785
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have talked to a lot

786
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: of these public land deer are pretty weary when it

787
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: comes to calling. Have you had a lot of success

788
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: with that in specific areas versus others? Is that something

789
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: that will only work out west versus the East? Or

790
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on calling and how do you

791
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: go about doing that on these public pieces. I won't

792
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: lie to anybody and tell them that there's not a

793
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: big difference. It's just like anything matter if it's you know,

794
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: fishing or a bird dog. If your fishing fishing hole

795
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: has been beat to death, you're not gonna have nearly

796
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: as good luck there. I mean public land in the

797
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: Midwest and back east. Now, I don't put a lot

798
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: of stock in calling because those deer are hammered, they're educated,

799
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: and you know, it just makes common sense. It's not

800
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: going to be as good. Uh. You know, you try

801
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: to do everything you can to get the odds in

802
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: your favor, and one of those things would be you know,

803
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: the average hunter is going to look for as quality

804
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: as spot as he can find, and that means, you know,

805
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: some of always got in a good number of deer

806
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: and it's got a lot less people. So a lot

807
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: of my hunting over the years, I spent a lot

808
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: of time looking for spots that are right and depending

809
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: on whether I'm hunting. You know, a public land spot

810
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: that's out west, it just the deer are fairly uneducated

811
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: and unbothered versus a private land place. You know, you

812
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: may hunt a private land area here in the Midwest,

813
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't get bothered in the deer fairly at ease.

814
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: If the deer are fairly unbothered and fairly at ease educated,

815
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: calling is deadly on running bucks. I've had, you know,

816
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: like astronomic results calling deer right into bow range and

817
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: just you know, has them commit suicide from two to

818
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: three four hundred yards away. But you've got to use

819
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: your head. It's like every aspect of this outings, every

820
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: aspect of the whole game. If you you'll know in

821
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: your in your heart whether or not or brain, whether

822
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: it's smart and if you're hunting, you know, like there's

823
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: some areas of hunter in Kansas to the public plan

824
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: that I spend more time avoiding what the people are

825
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: doing and how they're messing me up than I do

826
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: actually hunting deer, and I don't do a lot of

827
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: calling there. I've I've had good success calling here there,

828
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: but I've had I've had some bad experiences too, because

829
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: you can tell. I mean it's if I call it

830
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: an elk out west, you know, if it's a wilderness

831
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: elk or urban elk, you know, you blow people an

832
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: urban out, you'll run another direction. But you go to

833
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: wilderness and call one and you'll run in there. Well,

834
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: there are out and jump on it for you. But uh,

835
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, white tails are kind of basically the smartest

836
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: of all the species and resigned and if you're if

837
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: you're hunting deer that are fairly you know, unbothered what

838
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: you're going to be trying to do because you're gonna

839
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: try to have all you know, the percentages in your favor.

840
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: Then calling running white tails from around you know, the

841
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: fifth and November on can sure enough double you know,

842
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: punch tags. So what specific calling techniques or process do

843
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: you actually use in these situations? Are you rattling guy

844
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: or just grunts or all the above? I would love

845
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: to hear the specifics of exactly what's working for you. Well,

846
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm about as refined on my calling as uh. It

847
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: doesn't get I don't go into science about it, and

848
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't make no big to do about it. I

849
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: carry a runt call, and for the first twenty years

850
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: my life, I didn't mean he's a grunt call. I

851
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: did it with my own voice. And you know, I

852
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: just got to where I carry one now and rattling antlers, yeah,

853
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: I'll carry him. I don't use them very often, and

854
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times when I do use them, I

855
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: don't try to mimic the big classical rutting fight, you know.

856
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: I do a little time kickling and things. Uh, I

857
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: just look at the deer. When I see a running

858
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: buck somewhere, I can look at him for a minute

859
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: and see where he's going, what he's doing, what's on

860
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: his mind. And usually I can pretty well decipher, you know,

861
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: whether or not calling him as even more twile. And

862
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll judge your rudding buck and just go, that's

863
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: a waste of time. I'm not going to even blow,

864
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, at him or rattle at him. But I

865
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: just look each case, you know, and if I think

866
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: the deer is, you know, susceptible. A lot of the times,

867
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: the older bucks, you know, three and a half plus

868
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: year old bucks, they've been around, they're not dumb. He's

869
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: they've been called to and they don't get it. Uh.

870
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm in an out west place, I

871
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: don't worry about it much because those deer are just

872
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: far less educated. They have not, you know, over the

873
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: generations of time, have not been refined down like the

874
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: eastern white tails, you know, you honey, until in Pennsylvania,

875
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: New York, and his great great great great grandpa has

876
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: been messed with. It seems like that the dumb ones

877
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: don't survive in some our another we refine a specie

878
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: down to them more intelligent animal, you know. And I'm

879
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: not going to tell you that you don't have things

880
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: you weigh a little better out west with those western

881
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: white tails because they haven't been hunted the way the

882
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: eastern ones have. But I just look at the rutten

883
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: buck and what's going on and everything considered, and I

884
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: decide whether to call him or not. I usually try

885
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: to grant and call the bucks um, you know, and

886
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: don't overcall. That's the first thing that will kind of

887
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: get them out of sorts, you know, because just get

888
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: their attention. Soon as you get their attention with it,

889
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: give him about one more sound so that they know

890
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: they heard that sound, and then leave things alone. If

891
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: they're going to respond they're going to respond. If they're not, uh,

892
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: you know, if first, if they're scared of it or

893
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: educated about it, then they're you know, you can mess

894
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: with them for the next five minutes usually and all

895
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: you do is is further you know, educate them. But

896
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: if they're going to respond in the rut, it's usually

897
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: a quick, quick deal um and rattling. I'll clack my

898
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: horns wants to get them to stop and look in

899
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: my direction, and then usually I'll just give him a

900
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: grun or two and leave it alone. If they want

901
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: to come, they come. And if I'm calling to the deer,

902
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: it's because I figure he will come. And you know,

903
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: half or better of the ones I call to do

904
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: respond positively to my calling. But I don't sit there

905
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: and call for three or four or five deer a

906
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: day either, you know, I may go or five days

907
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: at a time. I never make a call until I

908
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: see the right can do with the right deer, you know.

909
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: So can you elaborate on that? What specifically are you

910
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: queuing in on to tell you whether or not it's

911
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: a buck you showed or you're not called to. Well.

912
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: One of the greatest fail safes is if it's a

913
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: like a two and a half year old buck. You know,

914
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: they're just at the age to where they're extremely active

915
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: in the breeding process. But they're not old enough to

916
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: be real educated and refined in their senses. Yet they

917
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: they're aggressive, they're frustrated. They're looking for or not trouble,

918
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: but they're looking for just something and they don't know

919
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: what they're well, they know what they're looking for, but

920
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: they can't get at the bigger bucks. Keep them run

921
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: off a frustrated two and a half year old, We'll

922
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: usually it's hard to not call one in. You know.

923
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: Now you've got to decide if it's something you want

924
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: to shoot, because a lot of people like to call

925
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: there just for the fun of it, and that's great,

926
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: but it ain't profiting nobody if you're not going to

927
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: shoot the deer or leave the thing along, you're just

928
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: educating it, you know. But when you get up to

929
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: the three and a half year olds, what I look

930
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: for is like if the buck, a lot of times

931
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: the buck will be following the dough and you're just

932
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: going to have extremely limited Since says calling the buck

933
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: off of a dough, that he is right in the

934
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, presence of if I see an older buck

935
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: that's on a good stiff walk curly when I call

936
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: trolling or you know, just staggering around in a rut

937
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: stupor uh yeah, he's a prime handed, especially you know,

938
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: if he's looking like he's traveling looking for another deer,

939
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: if he's down in the middle of a group of

940
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: other deer and doing his thing, I'm not probably calling

941
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: him out of there, but I like to catch him

942
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: out by their self covering ground, which is what they're

943
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: doing a lot when they come by me, because I'll

944
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: set out in places that when they go through there,

945
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: they're usually covering ground to get from point A to

946
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: point B, and they don't really expect much out there,

947
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: so when they do hear a dear out there, they

948
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: will often respond to it, you know, because a lot

949
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: of times it's my thought that these bucks, these running

950
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: bucks that are covering that ground through the sagum overs

951
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: or you know, travel corridors, when they hear another buck

952
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: out there runt or something, they will immediately think that

953
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: there is a buck that's got a hot dough out there,

954
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: because they take those dough it's out of standard habitat

955
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: during the breeding cycle and take them out into the

956
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: more open and more off the wall country. And when

957
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: another buck's covering that ground to get from one place

958
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: to another and he hears a running call out there,

959
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: he will automatically think there's a hot dog close, so

960
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: he will usually come over there at least take a

961
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: look and see if he thinks he can get in

962
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: on the action. You know, makes a lot of sense. Yep, sorry,

963
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: go ahead now, I mean I'm just saying that, you know,

964
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what level I'm talking at here. I mean,

965
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: it may may not make sense to anybody, but to me,

966
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: hunting is an individual sport and you've got to this

967
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: a science down for your own things. And if you've

968
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: got confidence in what you do and and you know,

969
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: put it into practice, you'll be successful people that go

970
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: out there. You know, I've been around them that have

971
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: hunted for twenty years for white tails, and they never

972
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: seem to get it. They never seem to learn, and

973
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: it seems like they're always trying to, you know, get

974
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: this secret bit of advice. Uh. And there's a lot

975
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: of big shot experts out there today that want you

976
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: to believe that have some secret advice for you that

977
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: they could make you Fudini bow hunter of white tails,

978
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, but that's so they they can market yourselves.

979
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: The bottom line is it's not really like it's a secret,

980
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: you know. What it is is the fact that you

981
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: get a brain, you know, get a warm body out there,

982
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: do what you do, learn what you learn, make mistakes,

983
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: have successes, get confident in what you're doing, and and

984
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: you'll you'll get good at it. Don't go around all

985
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: your life searching for the hidden formulae and you know,

986
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: getting some expecting some guy like me to be able

987
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: to tell you just exactly how to do it, because

988
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: it's more it's a personal experience. Bow Hunting white tails

989
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: is something that there is no magical potion for. Just

990
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: do it, as Nike says, you know, yeah, it's it's funny.

991
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: This this is it resonates with me so much, especially

992
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: in over the last shoot. It's two or three years

993
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: now we've been doing this podcast and I think this

994
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: is episode I think it's episode of hundred and twelve.

995
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: So we've interviewed, you know, over a hundred different very

996
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: successful hunters and probably the biggest takeaway I've I've gotten

997
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: is that to your point, there is no secret. There

998
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: is no single thing that we need to As soon

999
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: as we know that or as soon as we have

1000
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: that product, or as soon as we've got that perfect thing, oh,

1001
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden is gonna change. You know.

1002
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: There's there's so many different ways to do this, oh absolutely,

1003
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's man, it's human nature to

1004
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: take anything difficult and master it. That's within the human

1005
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, way of doing things. And I've been fearful

1006
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: that we're gonna master whiteheil hunting. But it's not gonna happen.

1007
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: The closest they've gotten to the courses some of these

1008
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, managed properties in the Midwest were you know,

1009
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: they've refined it down to almost an art killing great

1010
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: big deer. You know, by the time you put enough

1011
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: trail cameras out and put out enough feeders, put out

1012
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: enough food plots, and monitor them every where they go

1013
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: and everything they do, you can almost get it down

1014
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: to an art, you know. And but the average joe

1015
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: it interested in all of that. He's interested in learning

1016
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: it on his own and the challenge of it. And

1017
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: so now if you're just the average guy, you're never

1018
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: going to taste that that conditioned whitetail hunting success that

1019
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: comes with Usually there's a lot of money involved in it.

1020
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: But you know who cares. Let them, Let them video

1021
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: jockeys have their star status. I don't care, you know,

1022
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: let them put them on peace public somewhere and let's

1023
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: see how they do. You know, we've we've talked about

1024
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: that before. That would be really interesting to get some

1025
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: of these big, big name people, put them on some

1026
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: more completely new and see how they go about it.

1027
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: I think it would be very interesting. It would, but

1028
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: it won't happen because people that get to that late

1029
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: status are going to protect theirselves, you know. And and

1030
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't worry about anymore. It used to threaten me.

1031
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: I used to be bothered by them, you know, TV

1032
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: stars that are killing all these great big bucks consistently.

1033
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: And I even know guys that aren't TV stars or

1034
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: just average guys that have got places like an Iowa

1035
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: and Illinois and places. And every year I got a

1036
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: guy up here in Kansas said, you know, they're on

1037
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: a massive, massive branch up there with him and two

1038
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: buddies have least it, and you know, every single year

1039
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: they both kill whitetail buck that will be over hundred

1040
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: and seventy That is that is um. I don't know

1041
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: what can you say about it. I mean, that's just

1042
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: not really even in the realms of abnormal. It's almost

1043
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: unbelievable to think that the guy could do that. But

1044
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: when you add at what they do every year to

1045
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: get that done, and you saw the picture that's painted,

1046
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: it's it's really just what I call phony. It's phony.

1047
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they spend thousands upon thousands and thousands of

1048
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: dollars on dumping giant corn piles out and they have

1049
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: leased up tens of thousands of acres for multiple tens

1050
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars so that these deer are totally

1051
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: like in a zoo like atmosphere all year. They don't

1052
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: mind walking into a corn pile. I mean, it's so phony.

1053
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: But yes, they end up with giant antlers every year.

1054
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: But God forgive me, but who cares? I mean, uh,

1055
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: I I just don't think that's what white tail hunting

1056
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: and bow hunting is all about. It's not the end,

1057
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: it's the means. And uh, people like you and me

1058
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: and the people who are probably gonna listen to this

1059
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what I'm talking about. And so you know,

1060
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: we can just get off of that. It's entertainment to

1061
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: watch it on TV. But I don't consider it hunting.

1062
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: I consider it entertainment, you know what I mean. And uh,

1063
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a really important distinction to make. I

1064
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: think a lot of people watch TV and that it

1065
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: unfortunately affects their own expectations of what their hunts supposed

1066
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: to be like. And then you got a lot of

1067
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: very disappointed and frustrated people out there. And so to

1068
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: your point, it's so important to realize that this is

1069
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: an entertainment. You're not seeing all the stuff that goes

1070
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: into it that you know, it gets this twenty minute

1071
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: that twenty minutes show that's packed with big bucks. Um,

1072
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, set expectations based on where you're at, what

1073
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: makes you happy, what's realistic, and then I think you're

1074
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: a lot more fun doing it. Oh, absolutely fun. It's

1075
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: been lost in the thing. I don't know how it

1076
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: comes about, but it's involved to a state of you know,

1077
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: and this is a real touchy topic. And it's even

1078
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: touchy for me because I it's just like man hugging

1079
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: each other. You just don't want to do it, you know,

1080
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you do want to do it, but you

1081
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: don't want nobody to see it. You know. It's kind

1082
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: of it's a it's when I talk about the male ego.

1083
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, we don't like to address that, but we

1084
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: all have egos, and a lot of time it's all

1085
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: about you know, me the man, the hunter, killing the

1086
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: big thing and having the bragging rights and being a

1087
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: big story, you know, and and you know you've got

1088
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: to evolve. I remember the day when I was in

1089
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: that stage way back there. I mean, I wanted to

1090
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: kill something and take it around and show it off

1091
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: and be admired. I don't run that down. There's nothing

1092
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: wrong with it. But ultimately you're going to evolve, especially

1093
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: if you're trying to become a good white tiled bow owner,

1094
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: you're going to evolve way past that one day and

1095
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: and you're going to get to where it's all about

1096
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: the means not the end. And uh so you know

1097
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about here, is how to get

1098
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: some means together and go do it. Have fun, don't

1099
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: forget fun. You know, even when you go do it

1100
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: on your own, you can get in that binge of

1101
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: trying to be so successful that you put too much

1102
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: pressure on yourself. And that's one of my greatest problems.

1103
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: I I slow. I'm kind of like a you know,

1104
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: an addict there. I have a problem. I don't watch myself,

1105
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: I'll fall off the fence, you know, and on and

1106
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: I get on that side of wanting to put pressure

1107
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: on myself, you know, and I just have to stop

1108
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: and have a complete change of heart, mind and approach

1109
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: and start over. And that's happened many times in my days.

1110
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: And I you know, I'm I'm doing my best to

1111
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: stay on the bandwagon of have fun, because whether you're

1112
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: under pressure, whether your anals, or whether you're just having fun,

1113
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: it's not really going to change what goes on in

1114
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: the fields. A matter of fact, I think people do

1115
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: worse when they're under pressure, you know what I mean.

1116
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: You know. So it's all about bow hunting for white

1117
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: tails in a fall setting, doing it on your own,

1118
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: learning from the good and the bad of the trip,

1119
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: and you know, and trying to get better at it,

1120
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: and just having fun. Yeah. I definitely find myself in

1121
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: a similar camp as you, and that I'm so so

1122
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: passionate about it, so invested in it, that I put

1123
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: so much pressure on myself. And to your point, you know,

1124
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: I'll be out there and I'm getting angry at myself

1125
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: with situation, frustrated, and then all of a sudden you

1126
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: have those moments. Hopefully you have a moment where like

1127
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like, yeah, this is supposed to

1128
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: be fun. Why are you doing all this if you're

1129
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: just going to be miserable the whole time? So it's

1130
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: exactly and to your point, I really do think that

1131
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: when you flip that mindset, when you're able to catch

1132
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: yourself and keep that positive attitude, that's when you end

1133
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: up being the most ready for the moment. That's when

1134
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: you're the most you know, prepared and emotionally and physically

1135
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: capable of pulling off a successful hunt or seeing that

1136
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: deer and getting a good shot or whatever it might be.

1137
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: So really, your mindset can have such an influence on

1138
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: how an actual hunt plays out. Well, just take that

1139
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: to sports. I mean, when you're in a good mindset,

1140
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: you get on the field and you feel in control

1141
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: and happy and you know everything's going well, you're going

1142
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: to perform at a superior level. Versus if you go

1143
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: out there browbeating one day, some guy just knocked the

1144
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: fire out of you, and you're like, whoa, you know,

1145
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: I feel like a little insignificant punk out here. You

1146
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: know you're not going to perform al or maybe you

1147
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: know the height you just had a fight to watch

1148
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: that you know you're not gonna play ball is good.

1149
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: So it's like that one hunting, it's you know, go

1150
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: out there and forget the TV hype and forget all

1151
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: of the you know, industry hype, and go out there

1152
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: and perform at a personal, private level. You'll be You'll

1153
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: be satisfied whatever the results stand. You know. Yeah, such

1154
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: such great advice. Now, Eddy, I want to take it

1155
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: back a step to something we're talking about. I want

1156
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: to go back out to this piece of public land hunting.

1157
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: And one of the things I always think about a

1158
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: lot when I start out on one of these trips

1159
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: on a new piece of property is you know, how

1160
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: do what? What's my plan for how I'm going to

1161
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: hunt this property? You Know, sometimes I think, Okay, gonna

1162
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: start in an observation stand and then we're gonna try

1163
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: to learn something and then I'm going to try to

1164
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: dial in from there. Um. One of the questions I'm

1165
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: always curious about to hear other people approach this is,

1166
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, how long or how do you go about

1167
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: hunting a property? You know, are you gonna hunt the

1168
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: same spot repeatedly or is it once and if you

1169
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: don't see what you want to see you move on?

1170
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: Or what's your minds that when it comes to breaking

1171
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: down your actual hunts over the course of a week

1172
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: or two weeks, for however long, is you're that you're

1173
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: into place right? Um? You know that's that brings back

1174
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: when you asked the different approaches like that. I just

1175
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: my mind is flashes to so many different episodes of

1176
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: my hunts over my life in different places. You know,

1177
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: I've I've had plenty of times where you know, I

1178
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: went to a place and I just beat it down

1179
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: during the offseason and felt like I had a really

1180
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: strong game plan when I first went into it the

1181
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: first time. And I've had instances where those game plans

1182
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: worked out great. I've had instances where I realized that

1183
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: I was backwards, just you know, really felt stupid because

1184
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: by the end of the season, I've changed everything, was

1185
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: doing everything different. So once again, there is no perfect

1186
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: rule for it. And other times I've went in and

1187
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: not had a game plan and just you know, started

1188
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: maybe hunting and working my way in as you might say, observed,

1189
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: observing and things. I've killed some good bucks out west

1190
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: by doing that. It depends on the habitat. If you're

1191
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: in a habitat where you can do a lot of observation, uh,

1192
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: especially if I have a hunted the place. I like

1193
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: that approach. Start in the early early stages of the

1194
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: rut and get that observation done, and start working your

1195
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: way in so that by the you know, the really

1196
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: high movement time in November, you'll already be into the

1197
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, the core spots. But you know, once again,

1198
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: there ain't no pad answer for it. It's a matter

1199
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: of everything as individual to its own spot. And uh uh,

1200
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: I like to have a game plan when I go

1201
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: somewhere from my digital and all my other scouting. But

1202
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: like this public that hunt up here in Kansas, Um

1203
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: I went into it the first year I lost a

1204
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: private place. That year I had everything set up and

1205
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: it comes November the tenth I went up through the hunt.

1206
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: No landowner kicked me out. Some guys with money had

1207
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: come along and got it here. It was November the tenth.

1208
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: I had all my stuff set up to hunt, and

1209
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm at ground zero. I have to pull all that,

1210
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, drive to a place, walk in their public

1211
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: and start over. On November basically eleventh or twelve. Talk

1212
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: about feeling like a lost pup, you know, I mean

1213
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: I I was intimidated. I mean, here it is already

1214
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: time to get the good stuff done. And I'm back

1215
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: at ground zero. And I went in there, and you know,

1216
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: I had to make a decision. Am I going to

1217
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: go in here and really, you know, try to learn

1218
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: this place inside out and beat it down and then

1219
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: make plans, or am I just going to hunt my

1220
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: way in? And it was about fifty fifty open thick

1221
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: habitat where I felt I could observe a lot. So

1222
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: I just started going out into the to the most

1223
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: remote harder to get two spots and climbing some trees

1224
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: where I could see for good ways in any direction

1225
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: around and trying to observe you know, running bucks moving

1226
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: through the habitat and you know, dose or whatever, and

1227
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: I'll be doggone. I called a couple of deer in,

1228
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, from a distance, they were not going to

1229
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: have come by where I was at, but I spotted

1230
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: them and called them in and you know, got success.

1231
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: They were not huge deer, you know, they were just

1232
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: barely poping young caliber deer. But for the first year,

1233
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: the first week on a place, you know, I mean

1234
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: I felt good. They have just gotten in places to

1235
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: where you know, there would be ten cars parked in

1236
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: the parking lot at daylight and if you want in

1237
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: about that available habitat from there, you weren't to have

1238
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: people problems, but there would be ten or of it that.

1239
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: If you really could ferret that out, you could get

1240
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: away from most all them. People will guess where most

1241
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: the deer we're going to be, I mean them deer

1242
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: are going to figure that out pretty quick. Wherever the

1243
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: people are coming going from that activity is gonna slowly,

1244
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, migrate away from that. And you know that's

1245
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: just a public land key right there. Figure out where

1246
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: the people are going to be and spend your time

1247
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: where they're not. That sounds like overly simple, but public

1248
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: land deer are sharp and there's always nooks and crannies

1249
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: on public places that for some reason they're not getting

1250
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: hit US artists arrest those deer figure that out way

1251
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: before you do, and those will be the places you

1252
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: want to be, so you know, get in there and

1253
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: and if you want to just go all out, go

1254
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: in there and set up and just sit there until

1255
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know what freezes over fine, because you know,

1256
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: during the peak of the rut, you know, if you

1257
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: get throwed into something like I did in the peak

1258
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: of the rut, you ain't got time to make a

1259
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: big game plan and start trying to refine it down.

1260
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: If you're throw it into something like that, and you

1261
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: can't leave home until November the tenth, and you're gonna

1262
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: drive to north South Dakota or somewhere and and go

1263
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: into this place, then just you know, if you've done

1264
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: your preceding h work, you don't know about where you're

1265
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: gonna get, get in there and and and either go

1266
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: in and basically get it a bunch and stay all

1267
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: day in the tree. And you know, we don't none

1268
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: of us like to rely on luck. We like figure

1269
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: it out and kill him on our own. But hey,

1270
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: if you don't have any luck, uh, and won't rely

1271
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: on it, which I used to not. I used to say,

1272
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: if I kill one by luck, I'm not even gonna count.

1273
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to, you know, kind of know

1274
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: what I was doing, and figure I had a good

1275
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: hand in it. But if I kill them by luck

1276
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: or by skill. Nowadays there's still bow hunted white tails

1277
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: and and and I'm still appreciative of them. So don't

1278
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: be bashful to get into an area and stay all

1279
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: day and call ever so often, and don't be bashful

1280
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: to set out on the edges and hunt your way

1281
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: in whatever makes you happy, um and the most Hey,

1282
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: there's certain formulas for it that can't be you know, overlooked.

1283
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: Once you do everything you can do, then nothing more

1284
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: than sheer. Time in the field is the greatest odds upper,

1285
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And from about November the

1286
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: tenth th I can't tell a person one thing better

1287
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: than more time in the field to have better success.

1288
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: That's the number one odds increasing factor. And very few

1289
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: people got to work with all of a sud all day.

1290
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, you're an all day hunter during the ruck.

1291
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: I try to be once again it's case specific, but

1292
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: I try to have places that I can go to

1293
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,479
Speaker 1: and said all day. Uh, there's places it's not good

1294
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: for it. And if you're you know, halfway an outdoorsman,

1295
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: you'll know when it's not really common sense. You're not

1296
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: gonna set, you know, right out beside the edge of

1297
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: a fairly accessible farm field probably all day long. You're

1298
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna go back in there, off down in the river,

1299
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: bottom in the brier thicket down there and set. But

1300
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: out west it's a different matter. You know, there's lots

1301
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: of places that are excellent for all day setting because

1302
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: those deer can move freely all day. But yeah, I

1303
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: said all day most of the time, and I've killed

1304
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one out of every three probably of

1305
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: my better bucks during a time between ten and the

1306
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: morning and two in the evening. To youive, any advice

1307
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: for people that struggle staying out for that those long hours,

1308
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 1: any advice for just handling the full day, said, yeah,

1309
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: the best thing you know. Of course, it varies with

1310
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: that age. And I'm an authority on that because I've

1311
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: been doing this for thirty years, and so I've watched

1312
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: myself change. But you know, when I was younger, in

1313
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: my twenties and thirties, it wasn't that hard for me

1314
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 1: to adapt all day setting. I was mentally and physically

1315
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: psycho and uh, it didn't get too tough for me.

1316
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: Is I've gotten older, it's tougher. But the main thing

1317
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: I do nowadays to make it easier on myself is well,

1318
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: of course this is no a no brainer. Number one,

1319
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: have a place you feel confident and setting all day.

1320
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 1: If your mind ain't with you, if you're setting somewhere

1321
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: thinking you're wasting your time, you won't stay hooked. So

1322
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: number one, you know, Number one, get in a spot

1323
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: that you definitely feel about, could come walking by in

1324
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: the middle of the day past number one. Number two,

1325
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, take the time that if you if you

1326
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: can ahead of time, and it's not always possible, but

1327
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: get in there and get it set up properly to

1328
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: get it to where you feel happy hunting it. In

1329
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: other words, don't get in there and jump up in

1330
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: a tree that you can't shoot your bow twenty yards

1331
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: out of in any direction and you can't see, and

1332
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: you're it just mentally beats you down. Get in there,

1333
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: may be an offseason, clean it out a little bit,

1334
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: and get things kind of where you're gonna set in

1335
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 1: a pleasant spot and you're gonna be able to see

1336
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: things happening, and get an extremely comfortable tree stand. As

1337
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: you get older, that's more important. You know, some of these.

1338
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: I put up some stands that are more like a

1339
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: little loungers, you know, And I mean it's kind of

1340
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: embarrassing compared to the point I used to. I used

1341
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: to set fourteen hours on a little homemade thing that

1342
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: was I mean, you couldn't even barely have enough room

1343
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: for your feet to stand up on and your butt

1344
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: was setting on a little six ins round circle. But

1345
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: that's when I was tough and dumb, you know. But

1346
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: but anyway, nowadays, get a really comfortable stand and getting

1347
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: a good spot and take a good lunch. You know,

1348
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: here's my thought. I'd rather be caught in that tree

1349
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: stand goofing around once in a while trying to eat

1350
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: my lunch, then be at home and never even be

1351
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: out hunting. Uh. I mean, forever, time you get caught

1352
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: moving or doing something in the middle of the day

1353
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: and you scare your deer off, there's gonna be two

1354
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: or three other times you don't get caught. You're gonna

1355
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: kill that dear. So just play the percentages, you know,

1356
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: take you a good lunch, take you a book if

1357
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: you want a lot of you know, we're high tech nowadays.

1358
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: Everybody sitts out there with their phones and messes with

1359
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: them all day. Which here's my advice for that. You're

1360
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: gonna sit out there and play its electronics all day,

1361
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: Take up golf, okay, get out of the woods and

1362
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: quit messing. A good hunt up for me, okay. But anyway,

1363
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: that's another line of thinking. But you know, do something

1364
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: to have a good time while you're sating there, and

1365
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: be comfortable. Dressing layers and dress comfortably because setting in

1366
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: a standballing around all day can get uncomfortable. You know.

1367
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: Don't get bound up in clothing that's you know, really uncomfortable.

1368
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: I actually even use a in the colder weather, I

1369
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: use a thing called the heater body suit rather than

1370
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: a layer up real real thick and bulky with clothing

1371
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: because it gets uncomfortable. I'll setting out heater body suit

1372
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: and I'll have very much on underneath it, you know,

1373
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: and uh, I can move round inside of it, not really,

1374
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's not visible to the outside, you know.

1375
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: So you know, just use common sense tactics on all

1376
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: day sets and whatever makes you happy and comfortable. That's

1377
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: what you've got to learn. And one last thing you

1378
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: probably ought to start trying a few all dayers about

1379
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: a week or ten days before you're ready to really

1380
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: really get serious about it. Because it's amazing how after

1381
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: you do it for a little while, like maybe you

1382
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: said all day, you know, three or four days out

1383
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: of one week, and in the next week you might

1384
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: might go five or six days. It's amazing how you'll

1385
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: work into it not being nearly as bad. You're toughen

1386
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: up to it, you know, it is it's it's you know,

1387
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: it's not fun. It literally I've never probably said a

1388
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: fourteen hour set that I called fun. But you know,

1389
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: if we're serious white tailed bow hunters, there's a point

1390
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: where you to balance to fund versus productivity, and when

1391
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: it gets to be miserable, no, I'm gonna say, you know,

1392
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: go playing around golf, rebalmeny and watch football. But if

1393
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: you can keep it at a you know, tolerable level

1394
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: and be productive, then you know, you got to sacrifice

1395
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: because if it was easy, if it was easy, everybody

1396
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: would be done it, you know. So oh yeah, it

1397
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: can be a grind, but it's definitely one of the

1398
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: things that um I always talked with the different types

1399
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: of fun, and there's type one fund, which is you know,

1400
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: playing golf, drinking a beer, watching watching football game. But

1401
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: then type too fun is that it's a challenge in

1402
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: the moment. You know, it can be whether it be

1403
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: hiking up a mountain with a bowl kuck on your back,

1404
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,879
Speaker 1: or sitting all day. But once you get through it,

1405
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: it's a great story. You're so glad you did it,

1406
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: and it's fun looking back on I think those all

1407
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: day said, especially the ones where you see a nice buck,

1408
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: or you kill one, or you have some kind of

1409
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: cool experience, that is a lot of fun once you're

1410
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: able to to push through and actually do it. Yeah. Here,

1411
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I've sat quite long and

1412
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: hard on my public place something Kansas, and I'd passed

1413
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: up a number of you know, good deer, nothing over

1414
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: hundred twenty five or thirty inches. But finally it was

1415
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: getting late in the season there, I mean, it was

1416
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: getting close to Thanksgiving, and you know, I'm like, dang,

1417
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: I gotta get I takes to another level, you know.

1418
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: So I got my body suit and my lunch, and

1419
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: I had been practicing the old man way of hunting,

1420
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: which is, you know, a break during the middle of

1421
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: the day, and uh, I thought, well, you know how

1422
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: bad do I want to get a deer, you know,

1423
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I still want one bad enough,

1424
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do it. And I went out there

1425
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: and got, you know, on an all day set, and

1426
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: sure enough, leven forty five, you know, fifteen minutes till noon,

1427
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: here comes to the deer for me that I want,

1428
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I kill it basically right up noon.

1429
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: And you know, it was on public land, heavily heavily

1430
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: hunted public land. And I'm gonna bet nine out of

1431
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: every ten and people that had been there that morning hunting,

1432
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: we're probably not there then, you know. And that deer

1433
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: probably who knows it, might have got to run out

1434
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: of some other more frontal habitat. And I was back

1435
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: in the back in a hard access place. And I mean,

1436
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: use your brain once again, you should brain God gave you.

1437
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you want to be in the

1438
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: middle of the day. You want to be back into

1439
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: places where the deer are going to be hiding out right,

1440
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean when you got public land and

1441
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: people get up roaming around at nine or ten in

1442
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: the morning, and then they're coming back in it too

1443
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: in the evening. Pretty safe bat you want to be

1444
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: back in there where the teer are going to be

1445
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: avoiding that at you know, but you know it just

1446
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: as a matter of I guess, slowly but surely getting

1447
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: a wherewithal to put it all together, you know, And

1448
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: and it does a forever perfect example like I just gave.

1449
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way, uh one once out of

1450
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: what ten times? You know, there's a whole lot of

1451
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: more mistake some failures than than a few successes. But

1452
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: it's all worth it right when it does come together.

1453
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,480
Speaker 1: That's it. And to me, it's always builed down about

1454
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: mental outlook. I mean, it's perspective and a really really

1455
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: successful white tail bow hunters or Western bow hunters whatever.

1456
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: To me, I have one thing in common mental. I

1457
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: don't know what the word would be, desire, I guess

1458
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: I want to perspective is his success. The pain is

1459
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: never not worth the gain. They're going to put out

1460
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: what they gotta put It's a labor of love, all

1461
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: those old things. It applies to the the people that

1462
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: are diligently successful. I've been that way. It's just who

1463
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: I am. I don't put on a face about it.

1464
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm any better or any worse. I'm

1465
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: just a human being, but I love bow hunting and

1466
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: I like to try to be successful. And I don't

1467
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: know why, but that's why I'm wired. You know, I

1468
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: can definitely relate. I think we have similar weary and

1469
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, now you talk, it's a

1470
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: little bit ago about uh, you know, having a comfortable

1471
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: stand for these all day sets. And they got me

1472
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: thinking about your stands setups. You know, it sounds like

1473
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: you're moving around a lot or you're setting up stands

1474
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: during a hunt on public land. You know, what types

1475
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: of stands or what's your stands set up look like

1476
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: that you use for these d I y public polic

1477
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: land hunts. I kind of got two levels of it.

1478
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: I got some stands that are very very lightweight that

1479
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: I will just strap on my backpack. And of course

1480
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: you're going to develop a system for if you're running

1481
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: and gunn and I call it, you know, living off

1482
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: your back in other words, if you're walking into areas

1483
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: and scouting them and maybe just throwing stands up and

1484
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: getting them on the spur of the moment, you gotta

1485
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: work on that. You gotta work a system out, you know,

1486
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: you gotta have all the support gear. You've gotta be

1487
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: able to get it up quickly and quietly. I mean,

1488
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: I've spent many hours just setting up a system for

1489
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: running and gunning where I take stands around and walk

1490
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: into new spots, still hunting almost and I will see

1491
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: some thing that just makes her stand up on my

1492
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: neck maybe and go, okay, I'm in that tree right there,

1493
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 1: and you know, ten minutes later, I'm up that tree.

1494
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: I try to not even make a sound getting that

1495
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: stand up that a deer could hear, you know, a

1496
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards away. And I've I've killed a lot of

1497
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 1: deer like that, just running and gun and just popping

1498
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: stands up. You know, Uh, you can call it a

1499
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: hunt in as you go approach. You know, it's similar

1500
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: to it. You know, I wasn't really planning on killing

1501
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: one that first set in that spot, but it will

1502
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: happen more times. And there's a lot to be said

1503
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: for a first hunt. I don't know what it is

1504
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: about white tails, but a first hunt is worth a lot.

1505
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,959
Speaker 1: You know, every time you hunt in a spot thereafter

1506
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: you're not up in your odds. Usually you're down on them,

1507
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: especially if you understand too much. But then there's the

1508
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: other approach where I have a heavier, bigger lounger type

1509
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: stand and it has a receiver on it that you

1510
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: can put on the tree to where you're hanging the stand.

1511
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: So you know, if I'm on public land, i have

1512
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with people. I've got to be

1513
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,879
Speaker 1: careful because people were not only I've had stand stolen,

1514
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: but I've actually come to get him and had guys

1515
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: sitting in them, and I mean all the stuff that

1516
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: you can imagine. I've been through it, and I'm not

1517
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: real good at dealing with that stuff. So I don't

1518
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: want to deal with it because I'm not real diplomatic

1519
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: and I don't need to be getting in them. I'm

1520
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: not good at getting in them situations, so I try

1521
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: to avoid him. So look at the situation. If you're

1522
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: gonna put a stand up, it's big and comfortable, and

1523
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to hunt it quite a bit, you

1524
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: just got to decide if it's something to get away

1525
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: with here at this spot, at this time. I do

1526
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: leave some of my stands like that up for periods

1527
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 1: of time, but some of them I will take down

1528
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: each time and carry him out with me. I'll leave

1529
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: the receiver in the steps or something, because a big

1530
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: stand like that will catch somebody's eye, you know, And

1531
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: you're setting yourself up for some problems on public land

1532
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: by going in and thinking that you can just set

1533
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: up a bunch of stands and leave them and do

1534
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: your thing, because don't work that way. Yeah, do you

1535
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: do much, you know, shooting line clearing on a on

1536
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: and gun hunt like that? Or is that you know,

1537
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: too much of a disturbance and you just can't deal

1538
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: with what you have. I leave it alone on those

1539
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: type hunts. It's always a dilemma for me because I

1540
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: don't like climbing up somewhere and then realizing, you know,

1541
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: you get up there ten minutes later and you get

1542
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: set and you're looking around you and you're going board.

1543
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: This is dumb, you know, this is d u M

1544
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: dumb because I can't shoot nothing if it comes in here,

1545
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: you know. But really, over the years, I've done it

1546
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: both ways, you know, I've I've done everything between just

1547
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: leaving everything alone and getting up there and feeling like

1548
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: I can't shoot nothing, to maybe doing a little bit

1549
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 1: of trimen to just help myself a little bit plumb,

1550
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: to just get in Psycho and going okay, I'm I'm

1551
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: fixing this up, and get just you know, spend the

1552
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: thirty minute session of raping and pillaging, and then get

1553
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: back Montree. I've done it all the ways, and it

1554
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: always seems to me that it's worked out better if

1555
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm running and gunning to leave things alone and just

1556
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 1: get up there, do the best I can to be

1557
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: in a spot where I can shoot the best I can,

1558
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: because you're better of to have the deer in there

1559
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: and then worry about how you're gonna get it killed,

1560
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: then to get away to kill it and not have

1561
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: it in there. Um and light tells you know as

1562
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: well as I are supersensitive. And any time you do

1563
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: a big to do around a tree, um, you've just

1564
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: about done away with your running gun tactic to begin with.

1565
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, you uh running buck ya that's coming from

1566
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: a half a mile away. He can still stumble by there,

1567
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: But chances are he may not, because if you've run

1568
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: all the local does off with your tremming and your

1569
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: banging and going and doing. It's funny how they just

1570
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 1: don't seem to wonder by whether they ain't no, does

1571
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: you know? And so anyway on running gun I usually

1572
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: leave things alone. I'll try to you know, I'll stand

1573
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: there for maybe a minute or two and stare at six, eight,

1574
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: ten trees right here, and I'll try to make an

1575
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: educated decision on the best one to get in to

1576
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: put myself in the best position. And that means, you know,

1577
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: worthy wort. I expect most of these deer may come

1578
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: from where it's the best place for my when to be,

1579
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: according to what tree I'm going to get in and

1580
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: what tree can I possibly shoot out of the best

1581
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: over this area that I want to look at, you know,

1582
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: So all of all those things are just factors that

1583
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: are unique to each scenario. But I'll climb up there usually,

1584
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I might trim a little old thing

1585
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: or two right there where the stands at real quietly.

1586
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: But I don't do much opening up on running gun hunts. Yeah,

1587
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes it's not worth the risk of

1588
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: ruining the chances of any potential encounter. So so you

1589
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: start talking about the shot, you know, getting to that

1590
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: point where you can actually get a shot. And that

1591
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: brought me back to those original four categories that I

1592
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: brought up at the beginning, and the final of those

1593
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: four categories you've mentioned in the article was about that

1594
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: moment of sealing the deal, the final steps to actually

1595
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: see that deal. So I gotta believe over all the

1596
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: years you've been bow hunting, you've learned some things about

1597
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,520
Speaker 1: how to best make sure you're ready and and execute

1598
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: on that final moment when that buck shows up in

1599
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: your shooting lane or is coming in. Could you share

1600
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: of this, maybe some of those great lessons learned, or

1601
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: maybe something now that you see is that big turning

1602
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 1: point for you that helped you seal the deal. Well,

1603
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't rocket science, and everybody pretty well

1604
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: knows it and probably heard it hashed out to them

1605
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: to Earth. But for me, I plainly remember in my

1606
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: hunting bow hunting life, what was the big changer for me. Now,

1607
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't make me go from you know,

1608
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 1: totally inadequate to totally perfect. But it was a big

1609
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: game changer. It made me go from you know, rarely

1610
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: successful to mainly successful. And that was the ability to

1611
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: control buck fever. Because I've always been a person that

1612
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, I turn in and see a big white

1613
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: tail buck coming to me, I would go into a

1614
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: sort of automatic pilot mental psycho mode of excitement. Well,

1615
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: buck fever is a debilitating thing. It's debilitating and I

1616
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: had it for years and it costs me dearly. As

1617
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I can't stand to talk about

1618
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: it because if I had not had it, some of

1619
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: the deer that I should have killed back in my

1620
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: early days would have been game changers for me. Because

1621
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: my God, I run into some of the biggest ones

1622
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: and should have killed him back to him, but I

1623
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: didn't because I'd get too excited. Your mind goes into

1624
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: kind of a fog. I call it automatic pilot mode,

1625
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 1: and you're just you know, you're functioning out of a

1626
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: subconscious set of movements. Well, that's not gonna work because

1627
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: if you can't keep your right mind and assess the

1628
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: situation that's unfolding and react accordingly, you're gonna blow it

1629
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: most of the time. And that's what buck fever does

1630
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: for you. It causes you to not think through and

1631
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: blow it. So getting past buck fever? Now, how to

1632
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: get past it? I've been asked out a million times

1633
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: and I've dealt with it with my wife for fourteen

1634
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: years now. She is a world class buck fever psycho woman.

1635
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 1: And I've done everything on the earth on the earth

1636
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: that I can think of to get her past it,

1637
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: and she's no further past it than the day she started.

1638
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that there is any solution other than

1639
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: maybe getting drunk before you go get in your tree.

1640
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying, take take um sleeping pill

1641
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: or something, but get past it one way or the other.

1642
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: Go out and start shooting does. I'd say, forget big

1643
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: buck hunting. Go out and shoot does until you think

1644
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: killing deer or the bowl is not fun anymore. Maybe

1645
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: that'll get you past it. Just do something to get

1646
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: past buck fever, because that's the big obstacle. And then

1647
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: after that, what I've refined down over the years is

1648
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: just the fact that you know, you just learn how

1649
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: to set up everything that you're doing, from the tree

1650
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: stand to your gear two your mental you know. I

1651
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: mean I said earlier that you know, he maybe take

1652
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: a book and read it or blah blah blah and

1653
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: all day sets. Well that's fine if you got to,

1654
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: because here's my opinion, you're better setting and reading the

1655
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: book than cannot be setting there reading a book. Now

1656
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is I I don't want

1657
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: to say I don't set and read a book because

1658
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm just sure that Buck's gonna walk up on me

1659
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: before I can get ready, you know what I mean.

1660
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: And that's why all these sets are so hard on me,

1661
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: because I make myself set there scanning the country like

1662
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: an eagle all day and it just wears you out,

1663
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: you know. But just be sensible, you know on what

1664
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna do in the moment of truth, you know. Uh,

1665
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: And always remember, here's the biggest thing that gives people

1666
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: buck fever. They don't really prepare for the unexpected. In

1667
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: their mind. They have kind of fantasized about this big

1668
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: Buck's gonna walk in right over there and there he'll

1669
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: being and Bob. But it don't work that way. They

1670
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: always do something different. They come from behind you, you

1671
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: don't know, they're they're unil they're under you, or they

1672
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: come and chasing and oh by you. Nothing goes as

1673
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: you kind of picture in your fantasy mind, so that

1674
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: throws you into a automatic panic mode. You know, don't panic.

1675
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: That's the worst thing. That's what causes buck fever. Keep

1676
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: a level head. And when I try to tell people,

1677
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,799
Speaker 1: is this just picture in your mind that you're nothing

1678
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: but a casual nature observer until you've killed a deer

1679
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: and kill the moment that you have shot that deer

1680
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: and harvested it with a bow, you might as well

1681
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: have just been out there with a camera setting there

1682
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: taking pictures, because you really ain't accomplished nothing. If that

1683
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: bug comes in there and freaks you out and gets away,

1684
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna go home and tell people about it. Nobody's

1685
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 1: gonna care about it. Nobody saw it, you ain't got

1686
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: no proof of it. You might as well just not

1687
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: even tell it. But if you take it home with

1688
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: you and eat it and put the otlers on your

1689
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: wall and tell a story about it, people are gonna

1690
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: make note because if you don't stay calm, you blow it.

1691
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: You're just a nature observer. So don't get excited. There's

1692
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: nothing exciting about nature observing. What's exciting walking up and

1693
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: wrapping your hands around the rack when he's laying there.

1694
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: So try to just condition your mind to the fact

1695
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,759
Speaker 1: that you're not really doing nothing worth being excited about.

1696
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: Until you have arrowed the buck. Then you can let

1697
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: your heart go through the roof, because you can go, oh,

1698
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: I just did it, you know, and so I don't

1699
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: know if it's just a mental game, but anymore, when

1700
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and a big deer shows up, of

1701
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: course that first one second to me wants to lead

1702
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: to the roof, you know, But then I I just

1703
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: immediately go, you know, Claypool, you know you gotta you

1704
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: gotta just kinda get this done. You know, people think

1705
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: that you know what you're doing, so don't disappoint him.

1706
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: Just kind of act like you act like you know

1707
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And you know, yeah, that's a hundred

1708
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: and sixty ins er there, but you know, so what,

1709
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: he ain't going to Oklahoma with you if you don't

1710
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: follow through. And I just stay calm. And um. I

1711
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: lost the largest buck in my life here not too

1712
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: many years ago because I thought I was completely over

1713
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: buck fever and I found out that I was not,

1714
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 1: and it attacked me in a debilitating way and costs

1715
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: me the largest antlerd buck of my life. And this

1716
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: buck was one hundred percent dead. He should there's no

1717
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 1: way he should got away. So we can still happen.

1718
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 1: Can you tell us that story, Eddie? Yeah, real quickly.

1719
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean I was sitting with my wife, won't eating

1720
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: up in Kansas, and I had got her a tag

1721
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: for dough and this was back before you had to

1722
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: get a buck tag to get a dough In the

1723
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: earlier days, you could just get a dough tag. So

1724
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I trying to teach her to bow hunt, and she

1725
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 1: was just wanting to kill it here. So we had

1726
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: a bow tag, dough tag and me sitting there and

1727
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I watched your shoot doing and saying

1728
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: well towards Eden and nothing to come by, and we

1729
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: were freezing and we're gonna get down, and it's almost,

1730
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: you know, time to get down, probably ten minutes before

1731
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: time to get down, and I said, well, I said,

1732
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: give me this second. I got my grunt call out

1733
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: and made a couple of quick grunts and up through

1734
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the woods up there out of side, I heard one

1735
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: just do that roar that I mean that raw back,

1736
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, that grunt that sounds like unbelievable, you know,

1737
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: and I, holy smokes. I turned around her and I said,

1738
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 1: did you hear that? And she said yeah, she said

1739
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: what was that? And I said that was a buck

1740
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: and I said probably a really big one. And I'm

1741
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: kind of turned around talking to her. She sitting behind me,

1742
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: on the back side of the tree and I hear something.

1743
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: I turned around. Here comes a behemoth thing trotting right

1744
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: up to me. Just and I didn't even have a

1745
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 1: mentality of even being bow hunting that evening. I had

1746
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: took my bow to the tree, but I had done

1747
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: something I've never done in my hunting life that I

1748
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: know of. I had hung that bow up without an

1749
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: arrow on the stream. And I didn't even realize. I

1750
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: did not realize I had done that. And when I

1751
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: turned and see this thing coming, it's instantaneous giant. So anyway,

1752
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: I didn't I looked, I didn't have an arrow on

1753
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: my bow, and I had I I just don't do that,

1754
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: but I did it that day because I wasn't even hunting.

1755
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: And by the time I grabbed my bow and tried

1756
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: to pull an arrow knock it, the buck was running

1757
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: literally up in under the tree stand and I went

1758
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: ahead and got my self reddy, and I kind of

1759
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: turned around and I looked and he was standing maybe

1760
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: off yards in front of the tree, which would be

1761
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 1: behind me, in front of the wife, standing there, quartering away,

1762
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: just looking around for whatever he'd heard. And uh, by

1763
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: the time I got slowly turned and drawing on him.

1764
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: He got nervous and he trotted right back off the

1765
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: way he'd come from and disappeared back up in the woods.

1766
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,560
Speaker 1: I got back on the grunt call, and here he

1767
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: come again, coming right back down there, and I got

1768
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: the full draw on him, and he got to us

1769
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: in about thirty yards of me on that second approach,

1770
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: but he was so cautious. He's on full alert and

1771
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 1: he was hanging to the thick cover and he never

1772
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: gave me a shot. I had him standing there at

1773
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 1: thirty yards and had to just let him walk away.

1774
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 1: And to make a long story short, a little bit

1775
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: later the can's gun season opened and the landowner there

1776
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: killed that buck and he was a hundred ninety in

1777
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 1: typical and uh so that was basically my one in

1778
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: a lifetime chance. And when he come up running up

1779
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: on me like that, I remember going into his just

1780
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: this main straight line brain leage activity. I had no

1781
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: thought processing and I it was like a really out

1782
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: of body experience because I was totally unprepared, and I

1783
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: let it really freak me out. If I had kept

1784
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: my head, I did some things wrong. You know that

1785
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I won't go through. But I didn't think things too.

1786
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 1: I could have got that deer killed, and I still

1787
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: have a hole up here on my wall where he

1788
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: would have been. I have a place up here where

1789
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 1: I left an empty spot in all of my whitetail

1790
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: mounts for that one in a lifetime er, you know.

1791
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: And he was headed, he was headed for that that day.

1792
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: But but faver got me and uh a big another

1793
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: big another big one that got away. Yeah, well, I

1794
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: think that's that's a pretty good story for us to

1795
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: end this one on, because I think it's a great

1796
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: example of that even the most successful, you know, one

1797
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 1: of the most successful bow hunters out there, we are

1798
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 1: still all just human beings. We are still infallible. We

1799
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: make mistakes, and nobody, nobody else there should feel bad

1800
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: when things don't go right because it happens to us.

1801
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: All That's very true. Have fun, be happy and take

1802
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: it as it comes, and if you do, you'll end

1803
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: up better at the end of the days and trying

1804
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: to become a expert. So so true. So so Eddie.

1805
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: If if our listeners want to hear more of your stories,

1806
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: read some more of your work, where should they go

1807
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: to find them? Well, currently I'm on staff for Peterson's

1808
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: bow Hunting, and I kind of keep my work with them.

1809
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm not freelancing anymore, so I don't spread it around

1810
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: over many of the other archery magazines. I haven't got

1811
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: dedicated enough to do any books yet. Maybe that will

1812
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: come in the future, but currently I just say, you know,

1813
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: look for me at Peterson's bow Hunting or humped me

1814
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: up on Facebook if they want. I love to have

1815
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: bow hunting friends, and uh, we'll all will compare notes.

1816
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: Sounds good. Well, this has been a lot of fun, Eddie.

1817
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: It's been great to be able to compare some notes

1818
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: with you, and uh, I've just really enjoyed this conversation.

1819
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: So thanks so much for join us likewise, uh any time,

1820
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: and God bless and have have good success whether it's

1821
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: fill a tag or not. You know, absolutely well, thanks Eddie.

1822
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Good luck this season too, and with that, we're going

1823
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: to call it a show. I don't know about you guys,

1824
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: but after this chat, I am stoked to head out

1825
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: on a bow hunting adventure of my own. Now, real quick,

1826
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: before we go, if you have not left a rating

1827
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: or review for this podcast on iTunes yet, it would

1828
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 1: be so awesome if you could do that. It's a

1829
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: huge help. Just takes a minute. So thank you in

1830
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 1: advance for taking a look and giving us a review.

1831
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:39,840
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1833
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1834
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1835
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: And finally, thank you all for tuning in today. I

1836
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this one. I hope it inspired you

1837
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: a little bit to get out there and try something new,

1838
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:07,560
Speaker 1: and I hope you'll stay wired to hot m m

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01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,400
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