1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and sa Ansa. I welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeart Radio. Did you 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: like how I introduced myself? And this is a question 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: as if that's me? I like it. Yeah, we're really 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: mixing up the centro, especially you're having a time. It's 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: just a big question of who am I? I understand. 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Well that kind of relates to my question, which is 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: a two parter. I was going to ask this part second, 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: but this is too good to lead in. Do you 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: have like, oh man, this is a deep one. What 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: if I came to you and I was like, look, 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: I've killed some people, what would you do? I would 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: ask questions, and many of them being did they deserve it? 14 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Or what did they do to you? Are you going 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: to kill me? Ah? And and also have you done 16 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: better for the world? Okay, yeah, I mean I feel 17 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: like that's the logical next step. I do think Again, 18 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: we've been reading this book Ace by Angela Chan and 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: I have not seen Gray's Anatomy. I promise this relates. 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: I know it doesn't sound like it does, but where 21 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: they're talking about who's your person, who's the person who 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: would like hide the body with you? I think that 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: it would be very difficult if someone you cared about 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: and you had no inkling that this was a thing, 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: came to you with this. Also, this is, I promise, 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: not some weird exercise. I have not killed anyone. I know. 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 1: I'm sort of worry. No, don't worry. Sometimes I spring 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: questions on you that I know could lead to further questions. 29 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: I promised. That's not what this is about. I was 30 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: just curious. But also I feel like in a lot 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: of our culture there's this overarching idea that darker is better. 32 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: That that means it's more adult and more realistic, and 33 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: therefore it has more value. How do you feel about 34 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: that idea? So to take it seriously, it needs to 35 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: be dark our sinister. Yeah, well, I mean I feel 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: like you see it a lot in if you take 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: our big like comic book movies or even Harry Potter 38 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, the third one, so much darker, 39 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: or in Batman I was like, oh, Christopher Nolan came in, 40 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: it's so much darker, and therefore it's better because I 41 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: feel like the understanding is it's more realistic, and that 42 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: means that it's better. I think it's according to what 43 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about. It's a comparison. To me, the darker, 44 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the more likely the hero. So the contrast is name 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: did m hm. That to me is that level. So 46 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: you need someone who needs that darkness so that they 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: can come out of it. But they're also unattainable. So 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: without really sad origins, you couldn't be that. So if 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: you have a normal life, then then you can't be that. 50 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: But if you've had a horrible life, that gives you hope. Right, 51 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: I feel like there's space for both um because I 52 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: do think that movies Ala, where Disney has to kill 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: off everyone in order to like have an origin story 54 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: is stupid. I actually have a lot of thoughts on that, 55 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: and it's I find it really fascinating story structure, but 56 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: it's basically, how do you keep a child's attention for 57 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: an hour and thirty minutes? So it has to be 58 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: fast and a lot of drama, so different different episode. 59 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like I don't think it necessarily 60 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: means better. I do get like more realistic, and I 61 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: think that is a form of entertainment that is really 62 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: good and I've enjoyed, But I don't think that means 63 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: necessarily like oh, this is more valuable because of that. 64 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: And I remember when I was a kid, I used 65 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: to read Batman and Superman comics and I preferred Superman, 66 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: and people be like, he is too happy, go lucky, 67 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: he is not realistic, and I'm like, what about these comics? 68 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Get out of here. But people just were like Batman 69 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: is better because he's he's messed up and he's more 70 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: realistic and all this stuff. And I get that criticism, 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: but I don't think that equates to like this is 72 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: a more Oscar worthy movie or more like award winning movie. 73 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: And I've been thinking about that a lot when it 74 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: comes to what gets recognized and what gets awarded and 75 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: who was doing the recognizing, awarding and making of those things. 76 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: So that's just been something on my mind. And I 77 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: feel like we've seen that if you if we're we're 78 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: entering into our know fall horror segments and we're bringing 79 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: back some classics that we've done that fit into that category. 80 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: And I was kind of thinking about that with the 81 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: movie Joker, where I feel like everyone was, oh, this 82 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: is so realistic and so dark and therefore worthy, Okay, realistic. 83 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: I want to stay away from whoever that dude, right, 84 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: why I don't want that to be realistic. I want 85 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: this to be a satire, please, for the love of Jesus, right, Yeah, 86 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: which is perhaps a bigger conversation. I just feel like 87 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: a lot of times that does happen where these kind 88 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: of especially like dark masculine stories are more lauded and 89 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: they're seen as this is this is the best, and 90 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: we must put it on a pestle and reward it 91 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: all that to say, we are bringing back our classics 92 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: on women who were serial killers and our fascination with 93 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: them and what that says about people and this kind 94 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: of darkness that we're fascinated with. So we hope that 95 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: you enjoy. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome 96 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: to stuff I never told you protection of I heart 97 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: ideas how stuff works. Today we bring you are Part 98 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: two Are Unexpected, Part two two of our Female serial 99 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Killer episode. UM. I think this is the most research 100 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,119 Speaker 1: I have done on an episode in a very long time, because, 101 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: as I've said in our part one, which you should 102 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: check out if you haven't heard it yet before you 103 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: listen to this one. UM, I knew like people were 104 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: fascinated with serial killers. I had no idea. I was 105 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: going to have to sort through so much information. There's 106 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: so much led and when it comes to something this 107 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: big and this awful, Yeah, like there's this whole overall 108 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: tone of oh my gosh, how did we not know 109 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: the type of thing? And could they be right there? 110 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: And also there's kind of that whole bit of like, 111 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: uh so this is what happens when things go wrong? Yeah, 112 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: and I'm curious about, um why I would love to 113 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: come back and and see if there's any research on 114 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: is it like morbid curiosity doesn't go back to that 115 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: thing we talked about when you're watching a slasher movie 116 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: or something where there's a part of you that thinks 117 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: I can learn from this and not that won't happen 118 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: to me. Or is it some kind of fascination with 119 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: death because we're all afraid of death? Ultimately, I guess, 120 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: of course, Or is it it's probably a combination of 121 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of things. Um. But we're literally researching, like 122 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: up to recording. So that's how it became a part too. 123 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: And our our first part was about kind of older 124 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: sail killers historical lady yes, um, and this one is 125 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: more recent stuff and um, the trigger warning of course, 126 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: violent sexual assault, necrophilia, general grizzliness. And I would also 127 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: like to re state what we said in the last one. 128 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: Just remember, um, and we're trying to be respectable as well. 129 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: But like, these are real people. Some of them are 130 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: still alive, especially in this one. UM a lot of 131 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: these are more recent and ongoing in some cases. So 132 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: just remember these are real people. And yeah, and I 133 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: you and I had also talked about I would love 134 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: to dig into what happens to the families of uh, 135 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: not only the suspects and the actual killers, and what 136 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: what the aftermath is for those families, as well as 137 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: fascination of like what's the aftermath? How do you move on? 138 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: Because it is for me a lot of this Again, 139 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: as I said earlier in the first episode, first part 140 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: of this, UM, I'm really fascinated about how this becomes 141 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: or how this happens. And it's more of that kind 142 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: of underlying it that really fascinates me per se, like 143 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: how did we get to this point or how did 144 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: they get to this point? And um, there's a lot 145 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of research out there about that, even 146 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: though sometimes I'm kind of shocked at how there's certain 147 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: things I assume we've figured out and we haven't. And 148 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there's a lot 149 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: of stuff about humanity and serial killers as being one 150 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: of them that we haven't necessarily figured out. But UM, 151 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ongoing researching. And for some of these, UM, 152 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: I understand now why there's entire podcasts for every episode 153 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: is devoted to one person, because for some of them, 154 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: there were UM like, I know one example we're gonna 155 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: talk about she had electroshock therapy, and there was some 156 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: speculation that things like that maybe play a role. UM. 157 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: So here we go, Here we go, UM, and we're 158 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: going to start out with Lavinia Fisher. UM. And she 159 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: often gets the dubious title of first female SEO killer 160 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: in the United States. You'd be surprised at how many 161 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: women get that title. UM. And we're gonna actually talk 162 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: about that a little bit more with one of our 163 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: probably most famous examples and a little bit UM. So, 164 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: she and her husband ran a hotel called the six 165 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: Mile Wayfarer House. Lavinia would ask gus to dinner, where 166 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: she would then question them to ascertain if they were rich. 167 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: Rumors abound about how the couple killed their victims. Again, 168 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: people really like to sensationalize these things, so there's all 169 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: kinds of details you can find. One is, um, maybe 170 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: she was poisoning tea. That seems like maybe that's true. 171 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: Lavinia crushing her their heads between her thighs, which I 172 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: think is not true. I'd think that's just a fantastic idea. 173 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: And I thought that I would do that, not that 174 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: I would do that. I'm just saying I got thick thighs, 175 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: so I've always thought, my I'm wonder could I do that? Well, 176 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: I hope we never have to find out. Um. It 177 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: wasn't until a traveler by the name of John People's 178 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: arrived at the hotel, only be told there were no vacancies. 179 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: But Lavinia was like, you're gonna have dinner with me, though, 180 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: and he accepted. After the meal was over, she suddenly 181 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: had a room available. Suspicious People decided against sleeping in 182 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: the bed, instead opting for a chair. To fall asleep. 183 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: In the chair, he was awoke in the middle of 184 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: the night when the bed dropped into a pit. I know, 185 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to respect the whole trap. I know. 186 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: Jeez uh. He jumped out of the window and immediately 187 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: alerted the authorities, and this led up to the fisher's capture. 188 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: They were both executed. The story goes that Lavinia asked 189 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: to wear her wedding dress the day of the execution 190 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: and went kicking and screaming. She jumped off the scaffold 191 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: her self, but not before saying, if you have a 192 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: message you want to send a hell, give it to me. 193 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: I'll carry it. Uh. She became somewhat of a ghost 194 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: story in Charleston after the six earthquake. People reported seeing 195 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: her her ghost wandering around. Of course it's Charleston too, 196 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: so I know people from Charleston. If there is any 197 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: local lore about this, we would love to hear it. 198 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: And that goes for like every ghost we're talking of 199 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: course ghost but serial killer. I'm gonna go with ghosts. 200 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: Is that because I was thinking of like ghost tours? Yeah, 201 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: ghost tours and also for me, like I said in 202 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: part one, I'm the ones I'm familiar with. Most of them. 203 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: It's because they have been a ghost in some kind 204 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: of supernatural X Files thing that I've watched, So to me, 205 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: they are ghost right, but they're actually real people there. 206 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: It's just you wonder if they If you believe in ghosts, 207 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: are they now ghosts? You know? So in one a 208 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: nurse out of Boston named Jane Topen martyred dozens of 209 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: people about manipulating hospital records. She was able to experiment 210 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: on patients with morphine and atropain. As they died, she 211 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: would hold their hands and fondled them. After her capture, 212 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: she admitted killing it aroused her, which is really rare 213 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: for a female killer. Just to put that out there. 214 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Topin nickname Jolly Jane, was found insane and because of 215 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: that not guilty. She reportedly said it was hard desire 216 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: to have killed more people, helpless people's, that is, than 217 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: any other man or woman who ever lived. Yeah, and 218 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: there are two good examples of the thing we talked 219 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: about in our previous episode when it comes to the 220 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: differences primary differences between male and female zero killers. One 221 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: being he has female jailor killers normally don't have a 222 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: sexual motivation um, but she reportedly did she was one. 223 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: And then also the nickname that the media gave her, 224 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: Jolly Jane. That's another example of like male sero killers 225 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: generally get a nickname that is indicative of how violent 226 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: or brutal they are, whereas female szero killers get these 227 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: nicknames that are still gendered right um okay. In the 228 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: first half of the twentieth century in Oklahoma, a black 229 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: woman named Nanny Doss married and killed four men, along 230 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: with her mother in law, her sisters, two of her 231 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: sister's children, her grandson, and her own mother. She was 232 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: only called after her fifth husband's autopsy revealed arsenic as 233 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: the likely cause of death. She died in prison in 234 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: nine and history knows her by many names, the Giggling Granny, 235 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: black Widow, Lady blue Beard, and the Lonely Hearts Killer. 236 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: She grew up reading lonely Hearts columns and that's how 237 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: she found a majority of her husband's are you know 238 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: would be victims is by posting in the Lonely Hearts 239 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: are perusing the Lonely Hearts column. It's interesting to see 240 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: how many of the of the female seal killers are 241 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: called black widows. Yeah, and that's something we're planning on 242 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: digging into more in a future episode. Italian soapmaker Leonardo Chinchuli, 243 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: who was also known as the soap maker of Careggio, 244 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: killed three women um serving them at drugged wine and 245 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: then killing them with an act uh. And then she 246 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: used her flesh to make tea cakes, which she then 247 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: fed to her family and friends and some other people 248 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: as well. Um and this was after she had boiled 249 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: them and caustic soda. She was fascinated by things like 250 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: palm reading, tarot cards, and fortune telling, and a fortune 251 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: teller had informed her the only way she could save 252 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: her children from dying from an untimely death was through 253 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: human sacrifice, and so her this. These murders are placed 254 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: between one. After her son Giuseppe was drafted into the 255 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Italian Army, she believed that human sacrifice would protect him 256 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: in battle. An entry from her diary reads she ended 257 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: up in the pot like the other two. Her flesh 258 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: was fat and white when it had melted. I added 259 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: a bottle of cologne, and after a long time on 260 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: the boil, I was able to make some most acceptable 261 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: creamy soap. I gave the bars to neighbors and acquaintances. 262 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: The cakes, too, were better. That woman was really sweet. 263 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: In nineteen forties Japan, Miyuki Kawa helped killed and estimated 264 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and three infants. A midwife. She believed that 265 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: the children of the poor people didn't have a chance 266 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: and she was sparing them a lifetime of pain. So 267 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: just remember um, abortion wasn't legal during this time in Japan, 268 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: So she actually blamed the parents for deserting their children 269 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: and ended up only getting a four year sentence. Yeah, 270 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: she She's one of the cases where I think she 271 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: truly believed that she was helping, that she was helping 272 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: and the parents, Like, I don't think that was her 273 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: trying to turn to blame around in any way. She 274 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: truly did blame them for deserting the children. Then we 275 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: have Meira Henley, who along with her lover, raped and 276 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: murdered five young children in the UK from nineteen to 277 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five and what are called the Moore's Murders. 278 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: One of these murders they recorded. Um Mara put forth 279 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: a lot of testimony that she was coerced and threatened 280 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: into these acts. Um when her brother in law witnessed 281 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: the couple murdering a young child, he turned them in 282 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: and they were captured. She died in jail in two 283 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: thousand two and was sometimes known as the most evil 284 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: woman in Britain. And then there's another angel of death. 285 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: During the nineteen seventies and eighties named Janine Jones, she 286 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: was a nurse in Texas. They believed to have poisoned 287 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: upwards of sixty infants during her stint working at the hospital. 288 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: Her shift was called the death shift. Children were more 289 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: than ten times likelier to die during her shift than 290 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: any other time in the i C where she worked. 291 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: During her confessions, she reportedly said, I really did kill 292 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: those babies. Despite receiving a very long sentence, she was 293 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: set to be released in two thousand eight due to 294 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: the mandatory release law in Texas, which has now been repelled, 295 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: but prosecutors brought further charges against her in two thousand seventeen. 296 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: The Serial Killer actually inspired the character of any Walks 297 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: from this Stephen King misery. Yeah, I which I have 298 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: not seen are read. I know there were one thing 299 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: that everyone probably right, which has been parodied and so 300 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: many things, but yeah, I actually saw. It's been a 301 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: while since of in it. But it's a slow burn, 302 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: as you would say, is it. It's Kathy Baite. Wonderful 303 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: Cathy Baits Serial Killer episode because she played Madame Lalaurian 304 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: American horror story. Um, we do have some more on 305 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: our list for you listeners, But first we have a 306 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: quick break for word from our sponsor, and we're back, 307 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. And um, I was just about to 308 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 1: tell Samantha. As we go through this list, at least 309 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: one book has been written about every person on this list, um, 310 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: and several have been written about this next entry, um 311 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip Killers. So um, yeah, I don't know 312 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: that we had too many that were like partners in 313 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: our part one like me female partners, so we got 314 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: a few more of those on here, which are also 315 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: pretty rare. Um. So after an abusive childhood and several 316 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: abuse of relationships, Carol Bundy no relation to Ted Bundy, 317 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: who I think did marry a woman named Carol who survived. 318 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: And I got very confused researching this. Right, that's a 319 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: lot of information for sure, oh my gosh, and a 320 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: lot of coincidences, a lot of confusing coincidences for research 321 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: purposes anyway, Um, Carol Bundy met and began our relationship 322 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: with Doug Clark. Clark soon shared his sexual fantasies with Bundy, 323 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: permitted him to bring prostitutes into their apartment for threesomes. 324 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: But then Clark admitted he had a disturbing attraction to 325 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: an eleven year old neighbor. Bundy was able to coerce 326 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: the girl into coming to the apartment for pornographic photo shoot, 327 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: and this horrifying situation escalated when Clark confided in Bundy 328 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: that he wanted to kill a woman during sex. After 329 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: buying two pistols. The pair can It did their first 330 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: murder in nineteen eighty and Los Angeles um They're victims 331 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: were usually young sex workers are runaways, and Clark raped 332 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: their dead bodies before they got rid of them. In 333 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: one instance, Clark decapitated one of their victims. Bundy put 334 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: makeup on the severed head, and Clark used it for 335 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: oral sex and kept it in their freezer for a 336 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: few days before they disposed of it. And we were 337 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: just talking about the scene from High Tension, right I was, 338 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: and I couldn't. I couldn't get past that scene almost 339 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: something that was like ten MOMENTUSM like, I just know 340 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: everything about this is so disturbing. I didn't know because 341 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: I have seen High Tension, but I didn't know about this. 342 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: So I was wondering if it was kind of like 343 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: you start seeing a lot of influences from real life situations. 344 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: For sure in the whole genre of TV and entertainment, 345 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: which is really disturbing. I guess it really is to starbing. Yeah, yeah, 346 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: this is disturbing. Um okay. And then Bundy confessed what 347 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: was going on to an ex lover of hers before 348 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: she panicked after he rightfully said, you've got to go 349 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: to the police. Um. And she persuaded him to accompany 350 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: her to her van so that they could have sex, 351 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: but she instead shot and decapitated him. But she was 352 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: kind of sloppy, left a lot of clues around, and 353 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: eventually she confessed to her coworkers and then to the police. 354 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: She said, quote, a situation that started out as a 355 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: fantasy just got badly out of control. The two were 356 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: caught and imprisoned. Clark was sentenced to death. Bundy died 357 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: in prison in two thousand and three. Judy boyo Ano 358 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: was executed in nine for the murder of her first husband, 359 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: her past partner, and her son after a car explosion. 360 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: It seriously injured her soon to be second husband. Judy 361 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: had been spreading lies that her fiance was terminally ill, 362 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: even though it's totally healthy. Health officials confiscated the pills. 363 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: Judy had been giving him and discovered there full of 364 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: arsenic and from malde hyde. When the bodies of our 365 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: previous husband and lover were exhumed, arsenic poison was found 366 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: to be the cause of death. As for her son 367 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: and the events leading up to his death, he had 368 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: mysteriously become a paraple lee jake and displayed other signs 369 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: of arsenic poison. On the day of his death, Judy 370 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: actually took him out on a canoe which capsized and 371 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: his brace dragged him down and he drowned at the 372 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: age of nineteen. Before she was caught, she racked it 373 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: and estimated two hundred forty thousand dollars on life insurance policies. 374 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: The media dubbed her again the black Widow. She was 375 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: the first woman to be executed in Florida in over 376 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: one fifty years. Again, there's that black widow. In England, 377 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: Rosemary West and her husband Fred were arrested for sexually torturing, 378 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: murdering and dismembering at least twelve teenage girls, including their 379 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: own daughter who was Rosemary's stepdaughter and um stepdaughter's mother, 380 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: and one of Rosemary's biological daughters named Heather. When Heather 381 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: went missing. Fred would joke with his children that if 382 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: they didn't behave they would end up under the patio 383 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: like Heather Um. And that's actually how they got caught. Um. 384 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: Emery west On, the surviving stepdaughter of Rosemary, Um said, 385 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: people say I'm lucky to have survived, but I wish 386 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: I had died. I can still taste the fear, still 387 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: feel the pain. It's like going back to being a 388 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: child again. Um. The media dubbed Rosemary as the Monster 389 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: of Cromwell and the West Home as the house of Horrors. 390 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: The seller was where they tortured, killed, and buried their victims. 391 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: Once the seller became too crowded, bodies were buried under 392 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: the back patio. One of the bodies was found wrapped 393 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: in duct tape with a straw poking out from the nostril. 394 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: Many had been decapitated or dismembered. One had been scalped. 395 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: An inquiry revealed thirty one occasions that the west children 396 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: had been hospitalized for injuries our illnesses, including an STD. 397 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: This is one of the ones where I read it 398 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: and I was so surprised that they did not get 399 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: caught earlier. They were clearly abusing their children um child 400 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: Services was called on them several times. Um Fred killed 401 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: himself in prison, writing on the wall. Freddie, the mass 402 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: murderer from Gloucester. Rosemary is serving life sentence where she 403 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: apparently gets fan male and marriage proposals. That is something 404 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: I want to come back to you because that is 405 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: hugely disturbing to me. I didn't actually know that happened 406 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: to female serial killers. I knew that happened a lot 407 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: with male serial killers and their whole fan base, but 408 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this actually happened with a female. That's 409 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: an interesting flip. Yeah, an interesting and disturbing one. Yes. 410 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: One of her daughters claimed that there may be up 411 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: to thirty more victims that authorities don't know about. Wow. So. 412 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: And there's also a Canadian woman, Carla Humulka, who started 413 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: her killing career with an attempt to impress her boyfriend 414 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: by allowing him to rape her fifteen year old sister, 415 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: who died after choking on her own vomit that they 416 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: had actually drugged her. Apparently, Paul, her husband, was annoyed 417 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: Karla wasn't a virgin when they met, and demanded she 418 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: bring him a virgin. Carla offered up her own sister. 419 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: They videotaped themselves torturing and raping their victims before they 420 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: killed them. The video was too disturbing to play in 421 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: the court, but the audio was allowed. They are known 422 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: as the Ken and Barbie Killers. When Carla realized that 423 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: their rain of terror was coming to an end, she 424 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: was able to fairly successfully paint herself as the victim 425 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: in this whole thing to officials. She turned on Paul, 426 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: who physically abused her and who was also known as 427 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: the Scarborough Rapists and had read or attempted to rape 428 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: at least nineteen women. She got a pleadail from the 429 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: prosecutors which was twelve years for cooperation which later became 430 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: known as the Deal with the Devil and when the 431 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: tapes clearly indicated Karl it was a willing accomplish when 432 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: they played the tape in court and from a letter 433 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: she wrote to herself, be a perfect girlfriend for Paul. 434 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: Remember you're stupid, Remember you're ugly, Remember you're fat. Save 435 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: yourself killed them all. She was released in two thousand 436 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: five after only twelve years in prison, and recently cost 437 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: a huge commotion when she volunteered with the elementary school 438 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yep. Um, then we have what I would 439 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: argue is probably the one of the biggest ones on 440 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: this list are the most well known, and I think 441 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: a lot of these just the precursor is a lot 442 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: of either movies or TV series or something that is 443 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: based on all of these things. And this is of 444 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: course the Oscar winner of the mall. And also merchandise. Yes, 445 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: there's merchandise, so yes, we were talking about. Eileen ware 446 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: Nose from across Duke by the name Violin ware Nose, 447 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: also known that as a demsel of death, killed seven 448 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: a male clients along highways in north and central Florida. 449 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: Police were able to trace items belonging to of the 450 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: victims to a pawn shop near Daytona Beach. That's a 451 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: very big nutshell of what happened, but essentially um and connected. 452 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: The aliases used upon the items to wear nose. According 453 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: to Wareness, she killed and self defense. Acclaimed that she 454 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: later recanted um and her first victim was jailed for 455 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: ten years for sexual assault. She made a lot of 456 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: headlines because she broke the mold of most female serial killers, 457 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: using a gun instead of something like poison killing outside 458 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: her home, killing strangers Um. Some stories reported that she 459 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: killed like a man UM, and there was in an 460 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: opera about America's first female serial killer, UM, as she 461 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: sometimes was mistakenly called UM. She was perhaps the first 462 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: to fit the FBI's profile of a male I mean 463 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: a serial killer, which was almost always you know, male 464 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: SI killer, but she was certainly not America's first female 465 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: serial killer. Awareness told Florida's Supreme Court, I'm one who 466 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: seriously hates human life and would kill again. She was 467 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: adopted by a born again Christian after her arrest, UM 468 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: and she was executed in two thousand two. The award 469 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: winning movie Monster with Charlie's Theiron was about her, right, 470 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: And then there's actually a documentary for her on Netflix, 471 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: and it's it's fascinating to me, not necessarily because you know, 472 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: we want to watch murderers essentially, our serial killers, but 473 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: just her behavior alone, it was just very indicative of 474 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: her mindset. And it was kind of like, wow, Yeah, 475 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: when I was reading um, you know, dry court documents, 476 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: just what happened today in court and the things she 477 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: said very very shocking and ambracive and crass. I have 478 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: not seen the movie UM. I remember all of the 479 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: talk about how Charlie's they're on like totally changed her. 480 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: Look right, Um, we do have some more even more 481 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: females here, all killers for you. But first we have 482 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: one more quick break for words for our sponsor and 483 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsor. All right, So we're gonna 484 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: come back with Dorothea Puinte or Death House Landlady, which 485 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: in the eighties she killed elderly and mentally disabled tenants 486 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: at her California boarding house in order to cash in 487 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: on their Social Security checks. This was after being arrested 488 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: for drug and an elderly man and stealing his pension. 489 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: She read the male of her tenants and kept most 490 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: of the money for quote unquote rent and dolling out 491 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the sort of a stipend. Anyone who 492 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: complained was killed and buried in her backyard, and it 493 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: wasn't until it developmentally disabled and mentally ill man was 494 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: reported missing from his caseworker that police searched the building 495 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: and found the bodies in the backyard. The house was called, 496 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: among other things, the Graveyard on f Street. Georthea managed 497 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: to escape to l A before someone recognized her and 498 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: turned her in. Four days later, at the time, the 499 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: authorities didn't label her a serial killer, because in their 500 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: minds that wasn't a thing women did. But for her capture, 501 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: she was highly regarded for her charity work and her 502 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: willingness to take in the homeless and substance abusers. She 503 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: even had a picture of her dancing with one of 504 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: the governors of California, which I'm sure he adored. She 505 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: died in prison in two thousand eleven, and then prosecutors 506 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: called her one of the most cold and calculating female 507 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: killers in the country they had ever seen. Yeah, and 508 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: we were talking about this before we started, because I 509 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: was surprised at how much there was about her, but 510 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: it must be. So they found the one body in 511 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: her backyard, and she was kind of like, I don't know, 512 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: maybe because it used to be kind of common practice 513 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: to bury people in your backyard, um, and she asked 514 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: if she could go get coffee or something, and they're like, 515 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: and then they found like so many more bodies and 516 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: they had just let her go, which is fascinating again 517 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: and also very very telling about how they didn't a 518 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: woman wouldn't do this. They said, like the little lady, 519 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't think about it, and she I 520 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: think because she got away and there was like four 521 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: or five days of just panic. Right. Um. I think 522 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: that's why one of the reasons why there's so much 523 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: written about her, because there is and there's a lot 524 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories. I don't know if their conspiracy theories, 525 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: but people think that she has she had to have 526 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: had an accomplice because she was a little lady. So 527 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: how was she dragging these bodies and then right bearing them? Um? 528 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: And there's even uh, somebody that a lot of people 529 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: think that it is who used to work around there 530 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: and then disappeared. Um. She also asked her handyman for 531 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: a box that was like a coffin she gave and 532 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: she was like, it's for books and things, you know, 533 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: I want to put all my cookbooks in this very long, 534 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: weird little cass had him drive it to like down 535 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: the highway, and she was like, let's just throw it 536 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: in the ocean, you know whatever, And he never did 537 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, well I don't. I just found that 538 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: that was so that there's a lot because of the 539 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: assumption yea of women in general or perceived there's no 540 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: way of blah blah blah, Right, I also wanted to 541 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: add in here um. She never admitted to guilt um. 542 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: And she also released a cookbook in two thousand five 543 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: called Cooking with a Serial Killer. I've read some of 544 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: the used on Amazon. They said things like simple but 545 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: pretty good. She goes well known for tamales um. And 546 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: there's a documentary about the house and its new owners 547 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: called The House Is Innocent, and it focuses on how 548 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: the new owners have tried to turn something so macabre 549 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: into a positive thing. So they donate, like I think 550 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: you can do tours there, and they donate to funds 551 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: for the homeless. Right again, another place for our list. Yeah, 552 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: oh gosh, I keep agreeing and then realizing I need 553 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: to pause and think. Britain's Angel of Death Beverly Allett 554 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: was charged of using high doses of insulin or potassium, 555 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: or even just an air bubble into the bloodstream to 556 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: kill four children and attempted to kill eleven more in 557 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 1: the span of two months. One of her victims had 558 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: an entire adult dosage of insulin in his system, resulting 559 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: in one of the highest levels ever found in a human. 560 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: She was diagnosed with Munchausen syndrome, but ruled mentally fit 561 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: enough to stand trial. She is serving thirteen sentences with 562 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: a minimum of thirty years at a security like a 563 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: secure hospital that it is a source of a lot 564 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: of controversy. Controversy. Um. The maternity wards she worked in 565 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: shut down because nobody wanted to take their children there. Um. 566 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: Last year, a go fund Me page just set up 567 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: for her while she was battling sepsis, and it also 568 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: caused quite a big controversy and go fund me removed it. Um. 569 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: It's interesting to see what happens in this dingy and 570 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: age when someone like that is being seen as idolized 571 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: or needing help or that or whatever I guess you 572 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: would say, and then doing that. So that's kind of 573 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: an almost a different form of trying to propose to 574 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: someone like, oh she said it would help her, Nobody's 575 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: like what. Um. Yeah. And I was recently it might 576 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: be this very week that this episode comes out. I 577 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: was on over on Movie Crush with Chuck Um that podcast, 578 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: and we were talking about Slashers and I everyone. It 579 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: was kind of there were four of us, and I 580 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: think I'm a bit younger. I'm like from a different 581 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: generation than everyone else on the panel, and so they 582 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: had a different experience than I did because I kind 583 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: of entered with Scream and newer ones and so going 584 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: back and watching the older ones are sometimes difficult for 585 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: me because our technology has changed so much. Yeah, and 586 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: in some ways that can be scarier, but sometimes you're like, well, right, 587 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: But I was thinking about Scream Too and how the 588 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: movies made about her life in that movie, which is 589 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: so meta, but she gets like calls on the day 590 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: the movie comes out where they're pretending to be the 591 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: serial killer, like, um, and that's just sort of a 592 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: weird aspect to this whole thing of people who it's 593 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: like entertainment for them, and that the whole thing, the 594 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: whole point of Scream Too is at the end one 595 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: of uh spoiler alert, one of the killers is like, 596 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: it's all entertainment. Like right, I'm gonna blame the movies. Um. Yeah. 597 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: So it is interesting to see how technology now, I 598 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: mean interesting and more disturbing. Even interesting and disturbing is 599 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: that we've described almost everything how technology is playing serial 600 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: killers now and killer because they have they can meet online. 601 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: Well also because it also changed things because of the technology, 602 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: there are is harder to get away with it, and 603 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: there's more um evidence to be found that it wouldn't 604 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: have been found a long time ago. So it's kind 605 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: of it's not necessarily balancing it out, but it's a 606 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: kind of a whole switch up to what is happening 607 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: in this day and age, which is a good thing, yeah, 608 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: but also correctly, we also have the social media um 609 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: where it can be stages and setups, much like the 610 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: one who was using her lonely heart stuff, you know, 611 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: and trying to get hurt the dons, but this is 612 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot more easy access and a lot more for 613 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: those who maybe actually really good with technology ways of 614 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: talking and causing different types of fear factor level what's 615 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: going on in the world today right well, and that's 616 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: why for a lot of the ones we talked about 617 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: in our part one, the estimates were like they might 618 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: have killed sixty or seven because yeah, it was easier 619 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: to get away with it for longer back then. But um, 620 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: if if you've noticed a lot of people we've talked 621 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: about have been in fields where they were caregivers um. 622 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: And that is one way that women are, even in 623 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: our modern times, able to get away with being with 624 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: killing people for longer because one, you're a woman and 625 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: they don't expect you to do anything horrendous. That that 626 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: awful and too if you're in a caregiving field, it 627 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: gives you a whole another layer. But this next one 628 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: is a good example of like how people feel like 629 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: there's no way because you're kind of if you're in 630 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: a caregiving field, is in a hospital. There's people do 631 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: die at hospitals, so you can use that. Some serial 632 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: killers on here have used that to the advantage, including 633 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: Kristen Gilbert, because she murdered four patients at a Massachusetts 634 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: veteran affairs medical center with epinephrin and attempted homicide on 635 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: three others. She was caught in two thousand one. Um 636 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: she had been married with kids, but then she had 637 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: an affair with an hospital security guard and her marriage 638 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: hassolved in her husband left with the children, but not 639 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: before she most likely attempted to murder him via injection 640 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: because I can't remember why, but he was at the 641 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: hospital and she was like, I'll just give you this 642 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: and you'll feel better, and he said it like pain 643 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: and tingling, and he immediately felt a great sense of 644 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: unease um being around her um and she was jokingly 645 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: called the Angel of Death even before she was caught 646 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: because of how many people died on her shift. Right Um. 647 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: Once it came out that she was murdering people, experts 648 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: estimate that she was on duty for half of the 649 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: fifty deaths that occurred during her tenure at the hospital, 650 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: so half of the time she was there. UM. One 651 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: war veteran refused injection while she worked there because quote, 652 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: people are dying around here for no reason. The patients 653 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: are talking about it, the staff is talking about it. 654 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: The staff is talking to the patients about it. Gilbert 655 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: confessed to her boyfriend, the security guard we mentioned earlier, 656 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: that she quote did it, killed all those guys by injection? UM, 657 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: and he told the authorities. In a panic, she called 658 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: in a bomb threat at the hospital in response, and 659 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: the hospital was evacuated. The calls were traced to her, 660 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: and she was sentenced to fifteen months in prison for 661 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: faking a bomb threat. Meanwhile, Um, everybody, the authorities were 662 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: investigating all these deaths. They were getting more and more 663 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: details about the murderers. It became clear that she had 664 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: committed and her The murder trials soon began. Prosecutors argued 665 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: her motive was to try to impress her boyfriend UM, 666 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: who they would call in in emergency situations like a 667 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: code or something. UM. She received four life sentences in 668 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's, professional Mexican wrestler Wanna Barrazza earned 669 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: the nickname the Little old Lady Killer or Mata Vitas 670 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: for her murder for at least at eleven women and 671 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: probably more. Originally, the investigators had thought the murders were 672 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: being committed by man addressed as a woman, but she 673 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: was actually caught after someone witnessed her leaving a victim's home. 674 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: Reports indicated that Braza's mother actually sold her to a 675 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: man around the age of twelve UM for a very 676 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: little amount of money and beer, and that her resentment 677 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: for her mother was her actual motive for killing these women. 678 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 1: And according to the reports, want to admitted to only 679 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: one of the murders, and she says she did it 680 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: because she was angry, but in the reports it was 681 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: later said that the victims had been beaten and strangled 682 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: and robbed. Um. She was sentenced to seven nine years 683 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: in Mexican prison. That's I mean the fact that the 684 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: police thought that the murders were being committed by a 685 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: man just as a woman is pretty telling. That's how right. 686 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: They never believed it until they had that witness. Wow. Um, 687 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: well that brings us to the two part look on 688 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: female zero killers. Yeah. I need to go, like have 689 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: a drink and sit in the sun not think about 690 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: this for a minute, right. I feel like, I just 691 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: hope we're not missing someone that's really recent. But I did, 692 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: nothing came up. Um. I think there's because you know, 693 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: there's also the variation of the fact that women snap 694 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: are emotional and jealous and so therefore that's a lot 695 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: of the cause of killing. But they're not serial killers necessarily. Um, 696 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a little different on that level. Also, 697 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, just looking back, especially of the recent histories, 698 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: you start understanding if they just find past histories of 699 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: these women, it all had it seemingly all had something 700 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: to do with, um, trying to save someone or trying 701 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: to be seen as someone that was like saightly and 702 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: saving people, trying to protect someone, trying to get someone 703 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: to like them, or try to get money, or because 704 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: of the like horrendous past trauma of whatever happened. Um. 705 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: And it's really fascinating because this could all be set 706 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: for any of the serial killers of the past trauma. 707 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: But again you see some of the talking about sexual 708 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: motives that are pretty much lacking in a majority of 709 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: these women. Is a lot of like whether it's perceived 710 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: protection or perceived of how they were being seen, which 711 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: is an interesting tale, I think. Yeah, and um, we 712 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: didn't really go into the past of these women, right, 713 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: which was often very traumatic. Um. And as we said, 714 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: I completely understand now as someone who does not consume 715 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: true crime, why like every person on this list could 716 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: be in the whole episode And if there's anyone that 717 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: you really stood out to you that you wanted to 718 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: know more about, let us know. Um, because I was 719 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: reading there's so much out there and just the the 720 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: past that a lot of these women had was equally disturbing. Um. 721 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: And I was thinking, because what I have I do 722 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: know about slashers and yeah, I can only think of 723 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: um off the top of my head too, females zerio 724 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: killers that came to my mind, which we mentioned in 725 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: our Female Monsters episode, right. And I was going to say, 726 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: for a lot you and I talked about again about 727 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: the mothers and like, who are the ghosts or those 728 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: who railed um anyone or became a ghost or afterwards 729 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of that same kind of idea behind 730 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: that as well that we just talked about with all 731 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: of the wather's to protect someonee whether it's just know 732 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: someone something you know, it's an interesting yeah. And the 733 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: two fictional female serial killers I am thinking of, they 734 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: both we're killing in revenge for their son um. So 735 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: we hope that that you've learned about histories, that's fascinating 736 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: history of female serial killers. And if we left anyone 737 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: out or if there is someone you want us to 738 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: expound on, if you live in a place where there 739 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: are legends about this person, or you have some sort 740 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: of I hope not, but if you have some sort 741 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,720 Speaker 1: of serial killer experience, UM, you can write to us. 742 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: Our email is Stuff Media mom Stuff at i heeart 743 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: media dot com. 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