1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noone Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 3: Here we go. 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: It is a Thursday, and once again best time of 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: the year in sports. There is a ton to talk about, 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: ascending teams, seasons, ending seasons. 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 3: On the brink. 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: One hour from now, Greg Cosell stops by best fifteen 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: minutes of football talk all week, arguably on this show 17 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: or any show. It's Greg Cosel Jmax. A team from Canada. 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Oh Canada has eliminated your New York Yankees, and it 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: was in fairly dominating fast. 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 4: And I know it's painful to one and then to 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 4: the error, you know, like, come on, let's close. 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't know doubt it. Let's have a harsh talk this. 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I'll be a therapist for the New York Yankees. Let's 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: all sit down, take a deep breath and admit, the 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: Yankees just aren't that good. They're good, They're not that good. 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: Think about this. I looked it up this morning. If 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: you take out the American League Central in the playoffs 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: since two thousand and nine, the last World Series, the 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Yankees are three and ten against every other division in 30 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: the playoffs. 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: Three and ten. 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great against the middling payroll American League Central 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: since that time, eight and two. Aaron Judge is great. 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Garrett Cole and Max Freed if they're healthy. What a 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: one to two punch. I like Jazz Chisholm. I like him, 36 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: don't love him. But they just got out hit by 37 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: Toronto fifty hits to thirty four. And the Jays are 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: the better fielding team. They strike out less, they get 39 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: more hits, more contact hitters, they create more action. 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: You know. 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: The Yankees feel like an unbalanced diet, too much protein, 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: not enough green, like all those weirdos on TikTok selling 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: you and lecturing you on the carnivore diet. Hey Champ 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: mixing a carrot. The Yankees are completely beholden. This team 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: is once Carrett Garrett Cole got hurt to home runs. Yeah, 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: Garrett Stanton had seven last year in the playoffs. This 47 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: year had none. It's a totally unbalanced baseball team. And 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Judges great, But last year was all on Garrett Cole. 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: When you took Garrett Cole out against the Dodgers, they 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: looked like one of those American League Central teams against 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. This year it's all on Aaron Judge because 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: you don't have coal. And it's I mean again, you 53 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: needed Stanton and Judge to both be great. Aaron was 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: John Carlos Stanton, where's the deep ball? So I mean, 55 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I if you want to talk about balance, and you 56 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: can hit home runs and pay a lot of money 57 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: and have balance. The Dodgers last year O Tawny had 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: a historic regular season, carried the Dodgers and then Tommy 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Edmund Nationallygue Championship Series, MVP and the World Series. It 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: was Freddie Freeman. That's balance. Yankees have none. It's just 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: completely unbalanced. And here's the other thing, this is probably 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: the last run with these guys. It should be I mean, 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge next year is going to be thirty four 64 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: in the season, Stanton's going to be thirty five. Garrett 65 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: Cole's going to be thirty five off an injury, So 66 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: they need to get younger, they need to get more athletic, 67 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: and they need to turn radio off. I mean, it's 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: not a coincidence that Seattle and Milwaukee and a lot 69 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: of these medium markets are really good right now. They 70 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: don't react to the noise outside the building. I mean, 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: you take out since they last won a World Series 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. They do not beat top 73 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: tier franchises. They beat the American League Central in the 74 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: playoffs eight and two. They're great against the Central, but 75 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: those teams don't have any money. The Dodgers spend it, 76 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: but spend it smarter. The Cubs are spending it smarter. 77 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: They're just running into Milwaukee. So it's a little bit 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: like the Pittsburgh Steelers. The brand is big, they do 79 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: a lot of things well, they draft pretty well. But 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: you know the Steelers, when do they beat elite quarterbacks 81 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: in the playoffs? They don't. Ten years they don't. When 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: do the Yankees beat good franchises in the playoffs? They're 83 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: all and four against the Astros. Astros just fell apart 84 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: this year physically, But again, who are you beating? Like 85 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: the Dodgers have their hands full with the Phillies. The 86 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: Phillies are great. My guess is the Dodgers probably figure 87 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: out a way to win one of the next two games. 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: But the Phillies are great, and the Dodgers are great, 89 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: and Milwaukee is really really good. Toronto's excellent. They do 90 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: a lot of things. Well, what do the Yankees do well? 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean this is this is Aaron Judge on this. 92 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Their stars are old Garrett Cole Stanton Aaron Judge, I mean, 93 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: you gotta start moving some pieces, do you not. 94 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 3: Here's Aaron after nothing. 95 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 5: Once again, it comes down to the little things. Making 96 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 5: the little plays come with the big hit. If you 97 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 5: don't do that, give team duckture outs. You know they're 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 5: going to capitalize on it. For us, we gotta we 99 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 5: gotta clean a couple of things up and we'll be 100 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 5: right back here. 101 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: The other thing is this is it's like an annual tradition. 102 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: It is so predictable. 103 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: Is that you know, the Giants and the Jets and 104 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: the Nicks and the Nets and the Mets, they're always 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: just moving pieces left and right, and fire and gms 106 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: and firing coaches and the knock in New York as 107 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: they're too patient. Brian Cashman need to relieve him. Why 108 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: don't they have more good players? Well, analytics and baseball 109 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: the guys upstairs are making a lot of the calls, 110 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: So let's blame the manager. But the truth is, Aaron 111 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: Boone I don't know how much power he has. I mean, 112 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm listening to Derek Jeter after that loss last night 113 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: talk about the current state of the New York Yankees 114 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: and Aaron Boone, and I think there is a lot 115 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: of truth. And what Derek Jeter said. 116 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 6: What's tough is for the Yankee fans, right, this is 117 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 6: the second year in a row that they've watched another 118 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 6: team celebrate on their home field, and you can. 119 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: Feel the frustration. Aaron did a good job. 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 6: I mean, look, he's working with what he has to 121 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 6: work with, and he sticks up for his players. I 122 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 6: know he takes a lot of heat, but look, I'm 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 6: not saying it from any inside knowledge, but I'm pretty 124 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 6: sure Aaron's not the one that's calling every move that 125 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 6: they make throughout the game. 126 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Go look at the salaries of major League baseball managers. 127 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: They make about half of what a college football coach makes. 128 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: There's a reason they've been marginalized. They don't matter, right, 129 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: so they have to be pro play to keep their jobs. 130 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: You don't want to disrupt the locker room. Players have 131 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: never made more money three four five hundred million, So 132 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: you can blame Aaron Boone. But I look at this 133 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: team and I just see an unbalanced diet, not enough greens, 134 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: home run dependent last year, Garrett Cole dependent. The truth 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: is when Garrett Cole got hurt before the season. I 136 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: think we talked about it on the show. You're not 137 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: a World Series team, but it's more than that. It's 138 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: the average base running. They're not athletic enough. They're not 139 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: a great fielding team. They don't sacrifice, they strike out 140 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: too much. Let's be honest, Toronto dominated them. The Toronto 141 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: Blue Jays weren't just better than the Yankees. They are 142 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot better than the Yankees. They don't strike out 143 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: as much, more contact guys, they get on base more, 144 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: and their pitching was better. 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: All right. 146 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: So there's a couple of stories on Bill Belichick yesterday 147 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: after our show. One story says, and there are those 148 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: disputing it, is that North Carolina and Belichick are already 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: working on a buyout. So the person who's stating that 150 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: isn't a big name, doesn't work at a big company. 151 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic it is, but I thought 152 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: about this yesterday when I heard it. If I said 153 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: give me four or five words that explain the NFL, 154 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: you'd say shield corporate, professional business, kind of cutthroat. If 155 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 1: I said five or six words that explain college football, pageantry, bands, alumni, donors, fun, 156 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: which one does it sound like Bill Belichick would fit in. 157 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: I thought this from the beginning. I thought it was 158 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a money grab. He showed no interest 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: in college football none none. I mean, look at his 160 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: draft the last seven years in New England. He clearly 161 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: doesn't watch the sport until he has to at the 162 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. 163 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: But he's a new year. 164 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Job, bottom line guy, and that's what not College football's 165 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: not college football. When you win, sometimes you got to 166 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: dance with the players. It's not about culture. Sometimes you 167 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: got to dance with the players. You can look at 168 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: Nick say and go oh, he's harsh. Nick Saban's charming 169 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: and can be funny. You watch him on television. Nick's great, 170 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: he's funny, he's charming, he's a great storyteller. I mean 171 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing is felt weird, Like the Jordan Hudson 172 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: relationship doesn't bother me. To each their own, but I 173 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: mean she's kind of the age of some of the players. 174 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: Maybe to parents administrators, there's an ick factor and recently 175 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: Carolina had a buy. Bill goes to Nantucket with his girlfriend. 176 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: That's not what Dan Lanning's doing. He's on the phone 177 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: to recruits. Nick Saban the day after winning a national 178 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: championship is on the recruiting trail. So you've got to 179 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: be totally committed to college football. And it's a different vibe, totally. 180 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to dance with the players. And Mike Lombardi, 181 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: the GM is again, he's not your warm uncle. You know, 182 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: that's just not his personality. And that's okay. Bill's a 183 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: pro guy, Mike's a pro guy. That's who they are. 184 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of times I talk about 185 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: this all the time. Fit happens right and fit matters, 186 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: and you know, he comes out with a book and 187 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: chapel Bill and Bill had bills. The NFL said no thanks, 188 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: and Bill's got bills to pay. He's got the Florida house, 189 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: the Nantucket plays, the boats and the lifestyle and he 190 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: not flying Southwest Airlines. And Bill's like, I'll take it. 191 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: But from the very beginning I was suspicious about the buyout. 192 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: Didn't you guys think that was crazy? Bill and his 193 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: agent negotiated a very very small buyout, meaning if Bill 194 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: got a job within a year, he could leave buyouts nothing. 195 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know which story is true. It's not 196 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: going well, it's going sideways. It's circling the drain. But 197 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: to be great in college football, it's a lot of things, 198 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: and it's sometimes it is connective tissue with players and parents. 199 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: And I said, when Bill got this job, I said, 200 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: do you really think Bill's going to be going to 201 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: volleyball matches cheering on that? Well, that's what you got 202 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: to do in college. Sometimes you gotta go watch the 203 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: softball team and go drop by the volleyball coach's office 204 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: and call and deal with parents and say hi to 205 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: the administrators. Let's go grab a cocktail tonight. That's part 206 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: of college football. College football is more fun than the NFL. 207 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: The NFL is just better, better coaching, more professional, better 208 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: quarterback play. It's professional sports, which is always better than 209 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: college sports. And you know, it's just run better big cities, 210 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: big brands, a lot of money. But college football is awesome. 211 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: But it's a bit more joyful and fun to those 212 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: two words sound like Bill Belichick. So we'll keep you 213 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: updated on that story. Some are disputing that the buyouts happening. 214 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't have any insight in North Carolina football. I 215 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: was actually at a place last night. I'm not going 216 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: to give you the specifics, but first person I saw 217 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: is a big, big Carolina I would just say supporter 218 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: as a business person. I know, very sharp, former player, 219 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: and he was on the field against Clemson. I said 220 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: what it was it like? He said, we were beat 221 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: before that thing started. No energy, no juice. College football 222 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: is about running out of the tunnel. 223 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: Miami. 224 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: The smoke's coming out, the fight song, the Rock and 225 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: Clemson and coming out of the tunnel is a big 226 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: deal in college football. No juice, no energy, and at 227 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: this point, no shot in Carolina for Belichick. So Jay Mac, 228 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: I want you to turn that frown upside down in 229 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: the Yankees. Wait wait, wait, you bury the lead. 230 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: You're hanging out with Michael Jordan last night, A big 231 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: god on the sideline of the Clemson game. Oh good stuff, coward, Yeah, listen, Yankees, 232 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 4: tough loss, We move on. We'll bear win ninety games. 233 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 4: Right back in the thicket thing. 234 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 3: Hope le'll matchup with the Twins. 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None of the Bowl Phillies at Dodgers 252 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: Stadium hammered the Dodgers last night. 253 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: Listen. 254 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: They won ninety six games. The Phillies are really good, 255 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: second best in baseball. Bryce Harper, He's gonna be a 256 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Kyle Schwarber, who is just money, great 257 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: power hitter, always good in the playoffs. And then Trey Turner, 258 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: excellent starting staff, top ten tm ERA. So they were 259 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: gonna bust out, and Kyle Schwarber took out his frustration. 260 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: Here's his home run over the pavilion. Watch and listen 261 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: to this. 262 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 8: He's from the right side. That ball's crushed deep to 263 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 8: right field. Hernandez doesn't even move. It is long gone. 264 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 8: It's off the roof for the pavilion in right field. 265 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 8: Kyle Schwarber his first postseason home run of the year. 266 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 8: It's his twenty second of his career, and with a 267 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 8: lightning strike, the Phillies tie it up at one. 268 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, ball's reportedly somewhere in Pasadena. So in the first 269 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: two games, the Phillies, which have power, and they get 270 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: on base a lot of hits, batted two three. They 271 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: are much closer to what you watched last night. Schwarber, 272 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: big time hitter, delivers in the playoffs. Trade Turners your 273 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: batting champ in the National League. Bryce Harper is Bryce Harper, 274 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer. So the team you saw 275 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: last night from Philadelphia. That's closer to the team. And 276 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: tonight they've got their best picture a Christopher Sanchez, one 277 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: of the races is going. 278 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: So we have ourselves a series. 279 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: And the Dodgers also didn't get anything, you know, near 280 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: the top of the order between ta Oscar Hernandez and 281 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: Otani and Freddie Freeman, they went oh for twelve. That 282 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: can't happen. But when you watched that game last night, 283 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: the Phillies do that a lot to a lot of teams. 284 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: And you got a fifty plus home run guy in 285 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: a National League batting champ and a great team era 286 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: and then Bryce Harper adds in a couple of hits. 287 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: That's what they look like all year. I thought Philadelphia 288 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: would win this series because I didn't think the eighth 289 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: inning last night is what I thought we would see 290 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: a lot of in this series, a little bit of 291 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: batting practice, the elite hitting, especially at the top of 292 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: the order against the Dodger So it's a real series. 293 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 9: Now. 294 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: You know, the Dodgers have more overall talent, but Philadelphia 295 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: can punish you in a lot of ways, and they 296 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: get good starting pitching. Bullpen can be susceptible you know, 297 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: welcome to the sport outside of a few teams like Milwaukee. 298 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: But uh, I think we have a series. 299 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: And Kyle sch Forber hit a couple of them and 300 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: that's what he does. 301 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: J Mack with the news. 302 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: No, no, this is the herdline news. 303 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 4: Let's get started, Colin. With the Cubs exploding for four 304 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 4: in the first inning in Game three yesterday against the 305 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: Brewers that were able to hold on for a four 306 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: to three win to extend the NLDS, this is kind 307 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 4: of mind boggling. The four runs brookes Chicago's thirteen game 308 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,239 Speaker 4: playoff streak with three runs or fewer scored set's futility. 309 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Well, listen, Milwaukee got loaded the bases in like the 310 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: eighth innings, so you can Milwaukee's a better scene and 311 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: you can say all you want about this, but Milwaukee 312 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: almost won this puppy, despite falling into a four to 313 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: nothing hole. So Milwaukee led the National League. And hits 314 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: they get on base, they can hit for average contact. 315 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: So Milwaukee puts a ton of pressure on Chicago. There's 316 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: always it feels like runners on basin in scoring position. 317 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: So I did this feels like it feels like the 318 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: Toronto series with the Yankees. When you put that many 319 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: people on base, somebody's gonna deliver for the Blue Jays, 320 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: And I think Milwaukee's one of those teams. Is they 321 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: just they put so much pressure on your pitching staff 322 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: and your manager that eventually the Dyke breaks. They loaded 323 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: him in the eighth inning. The Cubs hold on. But 324 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: this feels like we're looking at a much better Milwaukee 325 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: team top to bottom. 326 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 4: The Cubs manager Craig Council joked he was gonna tell 327 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 4: his team every inning was the first inning for Game four. 328 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, so overall, I mean, you like the Brewers, sil 329 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win the World Series. I think 330 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: Toronto's really good. I think the Mariners gonna be interesting. 331 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: But if you start looking the Cubs outside of the 332 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: first inning, they're not doing They're not putting anybody on base, 333 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: and Milwaukee is. 334 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 4: Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles, Colin. They got 335 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: the Giants tonight in Thursday Night Football. The offense off 336 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 4: to a slow start for sure, and not to Saquon 337 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 4: Barkley A J. Brown, both of them really on the 338 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 4: struggle bus. Saquon was asked about the offensive struggles take 339 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 4: a listen. 340 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 9: So Tom just doesn't hit off right away. I know 341 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 9: hasn't shown, you know, make consistent a way throughout the 342 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 9: first five games. But there's been sparks. It's been half 343 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 9: where we look untouchable, but there's been half when we. 344 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: Looked really bad. 345 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 9: So we've got to find a way to be more 346 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 9: consistent in that area. 347 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: And that started out with. 348 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 9: Our details being more detailed to make sure we are 349 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 9: on the same dage and make any playwork. 350 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: You know, you think to yourself, Okay, the Eagles are 351 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: gonna role but is in New York. Philadelphia has horrible, 352 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: horrible offensive halves, and the Giants are off an embarrassing 353 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: loss to the Saints. So the truth is it'll probably 354 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: be an ugly, low scoring game and the Eagles will win. 355 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Say you look at this is not college. You look 356 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: at these games and go, oh, seven points. First of 357 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: all their division rivals, so they know each other's personnel. 358 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: Brian Dabols face the Eagles multiple times. It hasn't done 359 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: a lot against he hasn't done a lot against him. 360 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: But Jackson Dart's just a new player, and there's a 361 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, kind. 362 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: Of a new vibe. 363 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: What was shocking last week, and this is virtually impossible 364 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: to do. The Giants had a turnover on five straight possessions. 365 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: Well rookie quarterback, you know. And it was against the Saints, 366 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 4: which is even worse. So one of the things I 367 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: looked at last week that helped me with the five 368 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 4: and one in headlines was how quarterbacks have fared against 369 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 4: zone or man. The Giants are playing a lot of 370 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 4: man defense. Well, guess who eats up man? Aj Brown? 371 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: So I know that Aj Brown. They had the c 372 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 4: your meeting this week. I would not be surprised if 373 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 4: he had like eight for a buck fifteen tonight against 374 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 4: the Giants. I think the Eagles role tonight low scoring. 375 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 4: You're probably onto something. I'm Dual Carter. We don't know 376 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: if he's. 377 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: Gonna play or not. 378 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 4: The young guy out of Penn State for the Giants. 379 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 4: We'll see about that. No, Landon Dickerson interior linemen for 380 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: the Eagles. But I think we both like Eagles. But 381 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 4: you're not touching the spread. I'm not touching it. 382 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: I mean, if it ended up being twenty four or 383 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: seventeen and Philadelphia was clearly better, would you be shocked? 384 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 4: No, that it seems about right. Get out of there, 385 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 4: no injuries, get right. Yeah, our final story Colin Green 386 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 4: Bay Packers. Their offense is averaging twenty six points a game, 387 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 4: tops in the league in third down efficiency, But Jordan 388 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 4: Love told the media recently he still thinks there's room 389 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: to grow. He put it to his own mistakes. He 390 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: had the stripsack against Dallas. He had that bad interception 391 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 4: against the Browns. 392 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, when you think about Jordan Love, I 393 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: think it's interesting that there's so many skeptics on Jordan Love. 394 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: If you go back to week ten of last year 395 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: to today, his numbers are unbelievable. 396 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: Why is everybody doubting it works? It works? He's good. 397 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: He's very good. 398 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 4: Okay, so that's fine, very good. Has he been a 399 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 4: top ten quarterback in the league this season? I don't think. 400 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 4: I mean, there's Sam Donald playing way better than again 401 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 4: Dak Presty. 402 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: He doesn't, Man, that's just a construct top ten quarterback. 403 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: He's been very good. He's been good enough to get. 404 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: You to a super Bowl. Go back to week ten 405 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: of last year. I think it's week ten or week twelve, 406 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: and you look at his numbers until today, he's an 407 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: a quarterback, he may be a minus. He can be 408 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's one of these guys that he's got 409 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of a Sam Darnold Baker thing, like 410 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna let it rip and he's not gonna lose 411 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: any sleep if he throws an interception. He's not going 412 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: to be protective or safe and so you know, but 413 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: I think about this, if you are anywhere B plus 414 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: plus to a minus, you mostly got your quarterback, and 415 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: I think I don't think you can even dispute it. 416 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: He is somewhere in that space. I would say he's 417 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: not quite the elite five, but he's very close to 418 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: the rest. 419 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 4: He's he's very good. The problem is, when you're in 420 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 4: the NFC playoffs, you're gonna be going up against Jalen Hurts, 421 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald. I trust those guys 422 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: in a big spot. I don't know that I'm there yet. 423 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 4: Matt Stafford gets hurt a lot. The Rams running backs 424 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 4: have ball security issues. Sam Darnold where his playoff wins, 425 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 4: and I like him too. I've got a veteran coach, 426 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 4: I've got unbelievable weapons. Finally, an edge pass Rush. If 427 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 4: Green Bay, if I had to bet somebody in the 428 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 4: NFC Championship today, if I had to bet Green Bays 429 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 4: as good as bet as that conference has. So they 430 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: got the Bengals, Oh yeah, their schedule. 431 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 3: Let's start looking at their schedule. 432 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 4: Favored by fourteen? 433 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 3: Now I know one is their schedule going forward? 434 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: Have you seen it? 435 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: I think it's favorable. You know, you got a lot 436 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: of giants. 437 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: I think it's favor Jack Browning this weekend, I'm sorry, 438 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 4: Joe Flacco this weekend, which is even just let just for. 439 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: The audience, let's name the quarterbacks, okay, going forward that 440 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna play Flacco, Kyliner Murray, forty one year old, 441 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young, Jalen Hirst in a massively struggling offense, 442 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart whoever Minnesota starts. That's a six to seven 443 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: game sled of w's green Bay is. By the way, 444 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: green Bay opened pretty interesting team Dallas, which is really 445 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: good offensively. Detroit's got great personnel. 446 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 4: So it's like to know, Baltimore late week seventeen, are 447 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 4: they going to be playing for something? 448 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: We don't just don't forget what Green Bay did to 449 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Washington and Jaden Daniels. In Week two random off the field, 450 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: Washington just beat the Chargers. 451 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 4: So the one big difference is getting that number one seed. 452 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: The Niners are four and one, They're gonna be healthy soon. 453 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 4: If Green Bay gets it, then forty nine ers have 454 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: to go to Lambeau, possibly from nfcit. That's huge versus 455 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 4: being at home out here in Sonny or foggy San Francisco. 456 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: J Mack with the News, Well, that's the news, and 457 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So I 458 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: would term Baker Mayfield's relationship with me were frenemies, is 459 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: that if I saw him, I would be like, hey, 460 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he'd be like, hey, good, 461 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: how you doing? And then we go our separate way. 462 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: I think I like him more than he likes me. 463 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: But I've talked about him a lot. So at Baker Mayfield, 464 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: I swear he listens to our show yesterday or a 465 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: couple of days ago. He's talking about about you know, 466 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: the critics. Yeah, I wonder who that is. The critics 467 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: who say he's a little bit of a changed man. 468 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 10: Sold you guys try and not get too high and 469 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 10: not get too low, which is something that I was 470 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 10: not doing early on in my career. But you know, 471 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 10: early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature. 472 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 10: Now it's moxy. He's a dog, same different days, just 473 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 10: as long as you play well. They changed the air, 474 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 10: but you just got to be yourself. And I've always 475 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 10: been like that. 476 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: Okay. 477 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: First of all, Baker Mayfield's too smart to not get 478 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: wiser as he ages. He's a wiser version of Baker. Now, 479 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: I do think, and I've said this multiple times, Baker's 480 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: mostly still Baker. He's a smarter version, a little wiser 481 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: because he's too smart not to be. We all grow 482 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: and get smarter. I mean, that's just the dumb guys 483 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: don't get smarter, still banging their head on the wall 484 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: at forty five. Baker smart. And so the difference is 485 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: the environments. Cleveland is cold, impulsive, owner bitter because of 486 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: all the losing, and not really a supportive media. Tampa's 487 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: got a better infrastructure, better owners, great GM they're inviting. 488 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: Cleveland felt like they were poking them in the ribs. 489 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: Tampa feels like they open every door from him, office door, 490 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: car door. They're just opening doors from Hugh Jackson a 491 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: little bit of ego to Todd Bowles, no ego, So 492 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like he's battling. He felt like he 493 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: was constantly under siege in battling. So I don't buy this. 494 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: It's like, I'll give you an example. People that are 495 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: fiery and intense. Take Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's fire didn't 496 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: work early or late. I mean, he scored a bunch 497 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: of points, but he didn't win a lot early Chicago, late, Washington. 498 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: You know where Michael won when he had the intellect 499 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: of Steve Kerr next to him, and then the zen Master, 500 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: the psychologist at Phil Jackson and kind of a chill 501 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: Robin Scottie Pippen, veterans, bj Armstrong, super smart Horace Grant. 502 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: Michael scored a lot of points early and late, but 503 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: his intensity wore people out early and late. It wasn't 504 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: until he got the right supporting cast that he scored 505 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: and won games. Because Michael's intimidating and Michael's intense, and 506 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: that's the truth about people with big, fiery, confident personalities. 507 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: Fit becomes essential. And Cleveland was kind of intimidated by it. 508 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: Didn't know what to do with it, and Tampa's like, 509 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: we're looking for a pirate. It's Ebor City, it's cocktails early. 510 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: They've always had talent, they don't have a medaling owner. 511 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: Tampa's a great fit. Tampa empowers his personality. It felt 512 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: like Cleveland was intimidated by it and poked at it. 513 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: So Baker hasn't changed that much. He's changed a little bit. 514 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: He's too smart not to have changed. And he's always 515 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: going to have fire. That's his personality. I mean, I 516 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: thought it was great in Seattle, but he was talking. 517 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: He was talking trash to all these fans. That Baker's 518 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: going to do that as a grandpa and his sons 519 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: and his grandkids, you know pee wee games. That's who 520 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: Baker is. That's his personality. He's an ass talker and 521 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: that's great. And after he won the game, he went 522 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: back to those people at talk trash. He put it 523 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: on his Instagram. That's who Baker is. But he's a 524 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: little wiser. And when you have that on of personality, support, 525 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: support becomes the people around you. The surrounding environment becomes 526 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: incredibly important. So yesterday I said some apparently some of 527 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: you were deeply bothered by my assertion. It wasn't even 528 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: an assertion. It was just early facts that Jared Gof's 529 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean, listen, 530 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: Jmax like, oh yeah, right, guys, I mean, I seriously 531 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: buy your tickets to Canton. 532 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: He's going to be in there pretty soon. 533 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 4: I got many texts about this from from friends and 534 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: a couple of fans. Coward's out of his mind. 535 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: Okay, way too early, Okay, Okay, So I want to talk. 536 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: There's a reason why your friends are wrong, and I'm 537 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna support them and their ability to get right. Plus 538 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll, hmm, interesting, is there a squabble 539 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: going on. We'll talk about that coming up. 540 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 541 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: and Noonie. They're not a Empacific. 542 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: Starts Saturday strong as number one Ohio State rolls into 543 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 4: Big Noon with phenom Jeremiah Smith and rising star Julian 544 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 4: Sayin leading the charge against Illinois. 545 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: It all starts with Big. 546 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 4: At Noon kickoff back in Champagne, then at Ohio State 547 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 4: Illinois only on Fox. 548 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: There is nothing wrong with working at one company with 549 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: one boss and having great success. That's probably you know, 550 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: gives you, you know, a sense of security. But there 551 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: is something to be said about entrepreneurs that can start 552 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: five different businesses and work with multiple people and succeed 553 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: over and over and over. That's impressive, right, Like and 554 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: I yesterday I said Jared Goff has had seven coordinators. 555 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: He's been really good with six of them. The first 556 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: was a disaster. The whole staff was. And I said, 557 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: Jared Goff's absolutely of a Hall of Famer guy is 558 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: still in his prime. Gough does not get hurt despite 559 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: his kind of tall and lanky frame. I would say 560 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: he's got at least because his strength is throwing the football. 561 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: And quarterbacks can throw the football. Drew Bledsoe could grab 562 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: a football today and throw a thirty five yard out, 563 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: they lose their legs. So Jared Goff has got four 564 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: to five years of prime left because he throws. He's 565 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: like Steph Curry. Steph will be able to shoot when 566 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: he's fifty. He'll just lose his legs. Golf's a thrower 567 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: and so but when I said this yesterday he's a 568 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer, people just freaked out. So, 569 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: since twenty seventeen, eight years is a pretty big span 570 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: with seven coordinators, number one in the league in completions, 571 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: passing yards and big pass plays, number two in passing touchdowns, 572 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: and wins five playoff appearances, too conference championships. Again, he's 573 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: still in his prime. But the two reasons why Pete, 574 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so obvious. If he was a flashy player, 575 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: you'd all have him in the Hall of Fame. But 576 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: he's not. So there's this thing carry's kind of boring. 577 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: But if you think about why doesn't everybody get Jared Goff? 578 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: Number one is first impressions matter, and his first season 579 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: was brutal, zero ver seven. McVeigh wasn't there yet. He 580 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: looked like a complete bust. He didn't know which direction 581 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: the sunset. Remember that you got to see it on 582 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, so you watch this disaster. First impressions are 583 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: really powerful. And the second reason you're all struggling with 584 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: it is Matt Stafford won a Super Bowl the first 585 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: year in LA. McVeigh punted on Goff. First impressions are 586 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: really powerful. Matt Stafford's first year in LA, Jared goff 587 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: first year powerful moments. Let me remind you Goff was 588 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: a number one pick and Stafford was a number one pick, okay, 589 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: and people forget this. The Rams wanted to reboot at quarterback, 590 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: so did the Lions. Brad Holmes is the least talked 591 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: about great personnel guy in the last ten years in 592 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: this league. He does not miss on his top picks 593 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: in the draft the GM. He does not miss on trades. 594 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes is great. What was his first move to 595 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: move off Stafford and to go get Goff? So the 596 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: big game hunting GM in Detroit, it's like, y'all take 597 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: Goff and the Rams will pay some of the salary. 598 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: He's turned those picks with GoF into home runs like 599 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: Jamior Gibbs. But I think people forget that. It's not linear. 600 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: Jeter Kobe Elway, that's storybook. That doesn't happen much one team, 601 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: all those memories, loyal forever Brady Belichick wanted about two 602 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: years before he went to Tampa Montana ends with the Chiefs, 603 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, ends with Denver Lebron's had three separate moves. 604 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: That's typical Jeter, Kobe and Lway's story book. 605 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 3: That stuff doesn't happen. 606 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is early teammates and coaches didn't like him 607 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: and they couldn't stand in Washington, he got Phil. It 608 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: all worked. So here's the other thing to remember that 609 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: Goff went to a total rebuild in Detroit and Stafford 610 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: went to McVeigh Andrew Whitworth, Cooper Copp. 611 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 3: Von Miller. 612 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: Yet since the trade, look at the numbers between Golf 613 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: and Stafford, and I love Stafford. Goff's better at everything, 614 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: wins yards, touchdowns, fewer picks, passer rating, and that includes 615 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: the rebuild years in Detroit. Stafford took over baked ready 616 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 1: to pull out of the oven and consume, and Golf's 617 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: numbers are still better. 618 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 3: And we think the Rams know what they're doing. So 619 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: the Rams were better. 620 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Initially had kind of a quasi one year rebuild hit 621 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: on a bunch of defensive draft picks. Now Stafford's had 622 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: the better defense, I would say on average, Golf's had 623 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, they both had great receivers omor 624 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: On Saint Brown, Puka, Cooper Cupp, now Devonte Adams. They 625 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: both had good skilled people, both have good running backs. 626 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: But if you look at the numbers since the trade, 627 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: and that includes Golf having him go through a two 628 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: year rebuild, Golf's numbers are better across the board, so 629 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: but I think it just first impressions are incredibly powerful, 630 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: and that first year oh and seven, and it was 631 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: on hard knocks, and then the Rams punt golf, and 632 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: then Stafford comes in and win. People just they can't 633 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: like put. 634 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 3: Their arms around it. 635 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: If Jared Goff had a little wiggle in his step, 636 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: if he moved, I'm not saying like Lamar Jackson or 637 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, but if he moved like even bo Nicks, 638 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: everybody would be like, oh, that's a Hall of Famer. 639 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: Goff is the last pure pocket guy we have drafted. 640 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: Is a number one pick. It's interesting how it works. 641 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Caleb Williams, I think it's fair to say, 642 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: has struggled with basic operations with the Bears, and people 643 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: are like they always lean to the positive. I like 644 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: what I see. It is getting very interesting. Gof's not 645 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: as much fun to watch. The guy is second and 646 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: wins first and everything else, and everybody's like, I just 647 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: don't see it. I've said this about Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook, 648 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: you can't take your eyes off him. He's so hyper athletic, 649 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: but he is a guard that can't shoot right, like 650 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: like John Stockton kind of boring, could shoot and did 651 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: a lot of dirty work and it, but Stockton wasn't 652 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: as much fun to watch. 653 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 3: So and that's just a lot of it. 654 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: Goff is still in his prime and and and because 655 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: he is not like an NBA shooter, he gonna age well. 656 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: Jared Goff's gonna age well. He's got a great GM. 657 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: They're always gonna have good players around him. Omar On 658 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: Saint Brown Prime, Finanzuel Prime. They just drafted interior lineman. 659 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: Two of them look really good. J Mack, what are 660 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: your friends texting now? No? 661 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 4: No, I didn't look at my phone. I was trying 662 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 4: to come up with a comp for GoF because you 663 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 4: think he's such a lock. So I think the best 664 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 4: I can come up with is Philip Rivers really really 665 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 4: good quarterback, great regular season numbers, longevity. I mean he 666 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 4: played seventeen seasons. 667 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: How many conference championships? 668 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, no Super Bowl appearances, but he had a five 669 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 4: and seven playoff record. Golf is four and five currently, 670 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 4: so I mean golf is on track. 671 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: But golf is having much more postseason success. I mean 672 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: four and five versus five and seven, So I mean 673 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: he's on jetting to conference championships. Yeah, okay, well that's 674 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's like Andy Reid was great before Kansas City. 675 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: Do you think Rivers is a lock? No, I don't think. 676 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 4: Okay, So do you think golf like is that much 677 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 4: better than Philip Rivers? 678 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: Like, it's not about who's better, it's about it a 679 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: lot of it's productivity. And if you go eight years 680 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: into Philip rivers career, did he have the most wins 681 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: in the league, did he have the most big plays 682 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: in the league. I mean, Philip was great. Now you'll 683 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: never argue, you know, I'll never bang on Philip Rivers. 684 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,479 Speaker 1: I love Philip Rivers game. He wasn't very athletic, less 685 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: athletic than golf actually, but at the end especially but 686 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: when when you start putting up these numbers, you. 687 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 3: Know, it's just it's a classic example. 688 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: If you keep succeeding like anybody, I mean, let's be honest, 689 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: a lot of powerball winners either go broke or lose 690 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: a majority of the money. Some people do get like 691 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: a great hand in life. They get rich parents, their 692 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 1: trust fund kids. But to me, it's always been about 693 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: what do you do with it Like, what do you 694 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: do if you, let's say tomorrow you win the power 695 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: Ball at LA, so you get about five of it? 696 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: Can you turn the five into twenty five? Most people can't. 697 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: I could they turned the five into one right or 698 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: less than that? So my point is, yeah, Jared Goff 699 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: got McVeigh and Andrew Whitworth. Okay, that was a great break, 700 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: and he got to a super Bowl and then he 701 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: got a great GM. But they were awful when he 702 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: got there, and he keeps winning. 703 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that the best case for Goff as man. He 704 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 4: got kicked to the curb by McVeigh, right, that was harsh. 705 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 4: He went to a super Bowl and he didn't give 706 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 4: up or throwing the towel or stink. He kind of thrived. 707 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 4: And I think that's great. I just it's a to me, 708 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 4: it's a little reach to say Hall of Fame. I 709 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 4: definitely am a fan. I think he's been outstanding. He's 710 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 4: got a little work to do. 711 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 3: I'll ask you this. 712 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: Detroit gets to a super Bowl, Jared Goff was still 713 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: five years of prime, will be to two super Bowls. 714 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 4: And it's Peggott. Yeah, I mean Russell Wilson only. 715 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: Got to Okay, but again, Russell's a prime example. 716 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 4: Yes, that's why I brought him up. 717 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: Let's go to back to the being of my argument. 718 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: Who did Russell succeed with kind of one group of players? 719 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: By the end, Pete wanted about Tom and want him out, 720 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: Peyton wanted him out, and Dabel's not interested. So Russell had, 721 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: like golf, this really good run. But did he succeed 722 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: with multiple people? And that's the start of this rant. 723 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: But that's part of what makes Goff great is seven 724 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: coordinators and six he's crushed with. 725 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 4: What hurts Russell Wilson is he struggled in Denver, did 726 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 4: not he butted heads with Peyton, struggled nice. Then he 727 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 4: was in Pittsburgh that you know, landed the year. Now 728 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 4: he's in the Giants. He's been benched before September was finished. 729 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: So if you're close, like one of the arguments for 730 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, it actually helps him in this way. When 731 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: he was at his oldest and the least athletic quarterback 732 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: in the league and he was in Philip would at 733 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: first to admit it. He goes to Indianapolis, goes eleven 734 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: and five, goes to Buffalo for a playoff, game, and 735 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: they were in that thing. 736 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 3: Covered the spread. 737 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: I remember, so Philip rivers Old Philip got out of comfortable, 738 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: went to kind of rebuilding Indianapolis. The roster Indy had 739 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: that is not nearly as good as the roster now 740 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones. This roster now in Indy is legit 741 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: top ten, top seven roster that wasn't eleven and five. 742 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: Go to Buffalo toe to toe of Josh Allen, and 743 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 1: I remember that game. You're like, this is a real 744 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: and that was when Buffalo was at the height of 745 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: their powers. So how you end when your borderline matters? 746 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 3: Gof's gonna age really well. 747 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: Greg Cosell Twenty minutes of Brilliance Next