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Speaker 1: So welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte,

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Speaker 1: my name's Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast where

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Speaker 1: we look at movies from an intersectional feminist lens and

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Speaker 1: But I do think, Caitlin, that we should reiterate that

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Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, not freaking not freaking much? How about you, guys.

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Speaker 1: We're good, just hanging out. That's beautiful, it feels good,

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422
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: It's because May May has triggered a societal collapse with

423
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Speaker 1: the sheer power of her panda. Right. I don't want

424
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: to be too nitpicky about a movie that I really like,

425
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: but I do have some little nitpicks, is all. Anyway,

426
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: So there's this one chance to seal the red Panda away,

427
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: which is the next Red moon, which is a month

428
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Speaker 1: away on May. And here's the Despicable Me connection. So

429
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: have you seen Despicable of Me? Unfortunately no, that's okay,

430
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: spoilers ahead, please, that's okay. I know that I know

431
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: my minions, but I haven't seen their origin story. That's okay,

432
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: that's okay. So in Despicable Me, the first one from

433
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: there's a plot point where Grew has to just whether

434
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: to go to his adopted daughter's dance recital or to

435
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: steal the moon, and both of these things need to

436
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: happen on May, which is very close to So I

437
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: just think it's I observed. I noticed this fascinating phenomenon

438
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: where in one movie there is a moon related event

439
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: that conflicts with the formative child dance recital, right, which

440
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: was also like music and dancing based. The same thing

441
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: happens in Turning Red, where on just one day before

442
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: there's a moon related event double booked with a dancing

443
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: singing concert performance coincidence, Despicable Me happens and you can't

444
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: really tell what year is happening. So if it's happening

445
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, May's ritual takes place on

446
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: like a Friday, Grew literally steals the moon on a

447
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: Saturday day. I was just going to say, could you

448
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: imagine for town had to bump the concert to the

449
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: next day. Oh my god, May goes to do this

450
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: moon ritual. Oh it got stolen by fucking Grew. What

451
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: if that's how they introduced the multiverse. They're like, wait,

452
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, third act, no moon. No moon took

453
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: the moon, it grew. That's oh my god. That was

454
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: literally inches away from happening. It was literally inches away.

455
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: Actually it could have. And then and then you know,

456
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: if the days were switched or happened the same day,

457
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: all the events of Turning Red would be moot because

458
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: there would just be a massive weather event and everyone

459
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: would die. Yes, you can't not have the moon. This

460
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: is like the st Elsewhere universe. How like there's all

461
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: these shows that exist that couldn't exist in theory. Some

462
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: of the events of st. Elsewhere true. That's the that's

463
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: the group Grewniverse, the growniverse diverse. Oh okay, okay, so

464
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: back back to turning red. So the next red moon

465
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: is on, that's when this ritual will be. Then May's

466
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: friends Miriam, Priya, and Abby come over and discover May

467
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: as a red panda, but they are quick to understand

468
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: and embrace May as a red panda, and they tell

469
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Speaker 1: her that for Town is coming to Toronto for a

470
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: concert on of May, which is one day after my birthday. Okay,

471
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of a coincidence they didn't really talk about, right, Okay,

472
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: so that's gonna, I mean, kind of jealous as an

473
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: August baby that you would get to sell rate your

474
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: birthday before the moon was shrunk right under the wire. Yeah. Um.

475
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: But so so May knows she won't be able to

476
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: go to the concert because she'll get so excited it

477
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: she will turn into a red panda in front of everyone.

478
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: But she discovers that being with her friends, or even

479
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: just thinking about being with her friends, has a very

480
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: calming effect on her and it neutralizes the panda, although

481
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: she tells her mom that what neutralizes the panda is

482
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: like her love for her parents, and we see this

483
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: scene where she does some like tests which would could

484
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: possibly kind of like release the panda, but She's able

485
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: to keep it at bay because she's thinking about her friends.

486
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: So she's like, all right, I can go to this concert.

487
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: But when May asks if she can go, her mom

488
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: says no. And then Ming's mother, May's grandmother calls and

489
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: says that she's going to be coming from Florida to

490
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Speaker 1: help with the ritual, which gives Ming an awful lot

491
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: of anxiety. Meanwhile, May's friends parents also do not let

492
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Speaker 1: them go to the con sert. But the girls, the girls.

493
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Sorry to the girls, sorry to keep bringing up despicable. Sorry,

494
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: we're really it's for listeners. We are recording this the

495
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: released day of Rise of Grew, so we just kind

496
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: of have Grew on the brain. You gotta see the movie.

497
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's streaming out. Okay. He has three daughters.

498
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: He calls them the girls. I was ant, solutely shocked

499
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: when you said any of these men had children. Stunned

500
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: beyond Bullie. Grew is a father, and make no mistake,

501
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: he's a bad one. Wait a minute, he Grew not

502
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: a minion. He's the man. He's the cruise. Steve Carrell,

503
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I thought Grew was a minion this

504
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: whole time. Know the minions are Kevin, Stewart and Bob Oh.

505
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: I knew Kevin and Stewart. I thought the third one

506
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: was grew. Okay, that's interesting, So okay, see now you

507
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: can maybe see why I was shocked. I was like

508
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: one of the medians to have three daughters and has

509
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: to go to Honestly, it might be a better movie altogether, probably,

510
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure that Minions cannot reproduce. But they

511
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: don't want to get into it franchise wise. It gets

512
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: too messy. Yeah. Kind of conspicuously absent from the series

513
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: is how they reproduce where all the six year olds

514
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: the movie is made for they need to know. I

515
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: don't want to know, they simply must. Yeah. Um okay.

516
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: So the girl, the friends, they are hell bent on

517
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: going to this Fourton concert, and then some classmates catch

518
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: May while she's in red panda form. But they think

519
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: it's really cool and they think she's so cute and

520
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: offer money to take pictures with her, And so the

521
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: friends and May in particular, devise a plan to earn

522
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: the eight hundred dollars they need to buy the concert

523
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: tickets by seting their classmates take pictures with panda. May

524
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: and like they start selling merch and we see this

525
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: whole montage and after a couple of weeks they've almost

526
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: earned enough money. They just need a hundred more dollars.

527
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: But that kid, Tyler threatens to tell May's mom that

528
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: she's been flaunting the panda all over school, but he

529
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: won't tell anyone if she comes to his birthday party

530
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: because if she comes, everyone will come. And he's like

531
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: trying to be popular. Uh, And May demands that he

532
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: pay her two hundred dollars for her appearance, and Tyler agrees,

533
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: And then you're like, where does Tyler going to get

534
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: two d And then you see his house, You're like, oh,

535
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: I guess it's around has very rich parents. But just

536
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: as May is heading out to go to Tyler's party,

537
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: her grandmother and Aunties show up and delay her, and

538
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: her grandmother warns Slash reminds May that the more she

539
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: lets this beast out, the harder it will be to

540
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: contain at the ritual. But May goes to the party

541
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: any anyway to let the panda out one last time.

542
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: And at the party, Miriam is like, well, what if

543
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: you don't do the ritual and you just keep the

544
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: Panda because her friends have noticed that May has started

545
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: to become more her own person and she's not constantly

546
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: bending over backwards to impress her mom. Meanwhile, oh no,

547
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: Ming finds out that May snuck out, and she discovers

548
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: all the money and the merch that they've been selling,

549
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: so she storms off. Then back at the party, the

550
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: girls discovered that they got the wrong date for the concert.

551
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: It is not May eighteen, the day after my birthday.

552
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: It's on May, the day before Grew is going to

553
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: steal the moon. Okay, it's really I thought the like

554
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: throwaway joke as to why Abby messed it up was

555
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: really funny every time, and she's like to lead it's

556
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good. So the concert is on, which

557
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: is the same night as the ritual, so May freaks

558
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: out and ends up getting really aggressive towards Tyler, which

559
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: is the exact moment that May's mom shows up at

560
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: the party. So Ming be rates May's friends for being

561
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: a bad influence on May, and May doesn't challenge her

562
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: mom and throws her friends under the bus. But we

563
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: all we understand that it's because May is very freaked

564
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: out by her own aggressive behavior and she's still you know,

565
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: kind of I need my mom's approval. So we cut

566
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Speaker 1: to Ma. May's friends go without her to see four

567
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Town while May reluctantly preps for the ritual. But then

568
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: May's dad Jin, who has been a character the whole time.

569
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: I just didn't know how to fit him into the

570
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: Record's dad. Yeah, he's like known for his cooking, and

571
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: he's nice, and he's very nice. He finds a cam

572
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: quarter and watch his footage of May and her friends

573
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: having fun. They're singing, they're dancing to Foretown, and he

574
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: has a heart to heart with May about her red panda.

575
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: Then it's time for the ritual, where her family gathers

576
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: around in a circle and sings from the heart, which

577
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: causes May to kind of project into this astral realm

578
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: where she kind of reflects on her experience with her

579
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: panda and decides to not let go of it and

580
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: to keep it, which enrages Ming, but May's like, I

581
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: don't care, I'm I'm leaving and I'm going to the concert.

582
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: And Ming, who's panda spirit again, lives in this like

583
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: necklace amulant thing breaks during this kind of altercation with

584
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: May and her panda is unleashed like a Godzilla situation. Yes. Meanwhile,

585
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: May gets to the concert, she apologizes to her friends,

586
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: they forgive her. They start having a great time at

587
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: the concert, but then Ming as her panda, which is

588
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: enormous and very scary, crashes the concert. So May and

589
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: Ming start fighting and yelling at each other and like

590
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: physically fighting, and May's family shows up to do the

591
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: ritual again so that they can contain Ming's panda, and

592
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: then Grandma and the Aunties all break their pieces of

593
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: jewelry that contain their panda spirits so they can help,

594
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: and they start doing the ritual, but they're singing isn't working.

595
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: So May's friends start singing four Town, and then four

596
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: Town shows back up and they start singing I Love

597
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: the four Town is like not really bothered by what

598
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: is happening. The power of music is too strong, truly.

599
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: They're just like kind of like cyborgs that have been

600
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: programmed by the music industry to like saying at opportune

601
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: moments and I love and oh god, that feels very real.

602
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: It's right, it's maybe it's commentary on boy band culture.

603
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: This is like lou Pearlman commentary. You know it did

604
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: all feel. I mean like, yeah, peek Loue, pearlmant God,

605
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: where's I think there was a loop Pearlman biopic in

606
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: production for a while. I don't know if it's going

607
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: to happen. I love to watch. But when like the

608
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: when the boy band all of a sudden had angel wings,

609
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: I was like, there was something like that was reawakened

610
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: in me that hadn't that had been sleeping for years.

611
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, yeah, that used to be really it beautiful, Yeah,

612
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: matching outfits and wings. Yeah. So because the rituals was working,

613
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: now May finds herself in this astral realm again where

614
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: she encounters her mom when she was May's age, and

615
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: she's crying and talking about the pressure to be perfect

616
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: and to gain her mom's approval, and May is like, yeah,

617
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: I get it. I can relate, but it won't always

618
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: feel this way. And then May also tells her mom

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Speaker 1: that you know, I'm changing and I'm figuring myself out

620
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: and you just have to let me be my own person.

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Speaker 1: I like to gyrate. You're like, yeah, good for you.

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Speaker 1: We see some other tender moments between Ming and her mother,

623
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Speaker 1: between May and son Ye, and then the other women

624
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: in the family contain their red spirit, their red panda spirits,

625
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: but again May decides to keep hers, and that's the

626
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: big climax of the movie. Then we cut to the

627
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: aftermath of all of this, where May and her mother

628
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: still spend time together, and May brings out her panda

629
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Speaker 1: at the temple and it attracts and more crowds, but

630
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: May is also free to be herself and to be

631
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Speaker 1: with her friends more. And then the movie ends with

632
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: voiceover from May saying that we've all got an inner beast.

633
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: We've all got a messy, loud, weird part of ourselves

634
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 1: hidden away, and a lot of us never let it out,

635
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: but I did. How about you the end, Benny, and

636
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: get to hear the whole song and it's good and

637
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: it's okay. So that's a movie. Let's take a quick

638
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: break and we will come back to discuss. And we're back.

639
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: Where do we want to start here? There's like, there's

640
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about. H I let's go home. Yeah, nope.

641
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean this movie is doing a lot of things,

642
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: a lot to really cool things. It's subverting a lot

643
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: of tropes. There's a lot of like meaningful inclusion and

644
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: representation that historically we have not seen in major Hollywood films.

645
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like interesting themes and metaphors being explored. Yeah,

646
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know where to where to start.

647
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: Should we start with periods? Yeah, because that's like, okay.

648
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: The Panta represents a lot of things at different times.

649
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: It represents literally getting your period, it represents just general

650
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: puberty changes. It represents her connection and her isolation from

651
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: her culture. Like, it represents a lot of different things.

652
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: But as far as periods go. So I'm not gonna

653
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: like read you all of the whatever like ridiculous comments

654
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: that a bunch of people made. There's at least one

655
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: review when this movie came out where it was like,

656
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like this doesn't really happen

657
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: very much anymore, but it did happen here where it

658
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: was like a white guy film critic that was like

659
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't relate with this movie, and so, um, what

660
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: the heck? Uh? No stars. There was someone I don't

661
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: know if this is the same person that said, like

662
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: this seems way too specific to the director's experience. Yes,

663
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: which I mean, it is true that this movie is

664
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: very specific to the director's experience, but like that doesn't

665
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: make it unrelatable to other people. It's yeah, so fucking

666
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: boring to be like, oh, this is too specific to

667
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: an experience I've never had. I'm like, I've never had

668
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: any experience is in a movie? There is. The whole

669
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: point is like you see yourself in other people. Why

670
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: the funk are you watching movies? Are you stupid? That's

671
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: my unnuanced take. No, I mean, it's like it's ridiculous.

672
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: And it's also like if that take were true across

673
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: the board, then no one would watch movies at all,

674
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: because that's like what most of them are. Like, you

675
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: don't hear people say you should like that about sucking

676
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: licorice pizza, But like Paul Thomas Anderson has been making

677
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: movies about the three square blocks he's grown up on

678
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: for like decades. You know, it's like and no one

679
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: has a problem with it, and they are usually pretty

680
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: good movies, and it's like, yeah, I mean, you know

681
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: what the issue is here, but yeah, like, uh, all

682
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: that stuff is really frustrating. I mean, and we can

683
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: sort of get back to like how specific the movie

684
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: is to DOMI. She's experienced as a kid growing up

685
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: in like literally like she was born in n and

686
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: grew up in Canada with Chinese family. Like this is

687
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: her story, except I don't think she turned into a panda.

688
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: But also she could be burying the lead. We don't

689
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know, we might never know that. Yeah,

690
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: it's going to come out twenty years later. It's actually

691
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: a documentary turning around. Is is a biopic? Yeah, yeah,

692
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna get the idiocracy treatment. Um, But like just

693
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: in gen I just wanted to do kind of like

694
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: a quick rundown of like, first of all, like this

695
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: movie does reference periods in a movie that's directed at

696
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: young audiences, and that never happens true, But even so

697
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: it's really not referenced that much, and the criticism that

698
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: is like pushed back against it makes it seem like

699
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: that is what the whole movie is about. Is basically

700
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: one scene and like maybe like kind of a winking

701
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: reference in the title, you could argue, but like it's

702
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: that one scene with Ming, you know, thinking that May

703
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: has gotten her period for the first time and bringing

704
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different paths and like showing her

705
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: holding pads, which is a big deal. For movies. I mean,

706
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: I can't think of one where that would happen and

707
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: DOOMI She has done all these really cool interviews talking

708
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: about what she watched growing up. She references being like

709
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: a big Lizzie McGuire head, which I really appreciate, and

710
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, I saw so many like experiences that

711
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: I had had in middle school on that show, but

712
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: they don't you know, you couldn't reference menstruation at all

713
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: on a show like that. In that era, you could

714
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: reference almost everything. But I feel like unless you found

715
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: your way to de grassy Um where it's in the pilot,

716
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know. And so that that is a big deal,

717
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: especially because the way periods are shown in movies, at

718
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: least like very influentially, are usually really negative. Like the

719
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: Carrey scene is like the first thing that comes to

720
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: mind where it's like presented as traumatic and horrible and

721
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: sends you on the road to setting your classmates on fire. Um,

722
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean accurate though, And then the other scene that

723
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: I was trying to I was like, Okay, what we're

724
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: like really influential movies with scenes that like directly mentioned periods,

725
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: and the only other movie I think of was super bad.

726
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: It's like, which is a scene that like, Still I

727
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: went back and rewatched him, Like, the scene still doesn't

728
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: make sense. No one would do this right. And of

729
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: course what was the grossed out by the period? A

730
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: girl leaks period onto like Jonah Hills pants or something

731
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: and he's horrified. Um. I just watched The Florida Project

732
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: for the first time, and there's a scene where the

733
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: mom she like wants to give like a big fuck

734
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: you gesture to someone, so she pulls her pad out

735
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: of her underwear and then sticks it to the window

736
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: of the people that she's saying fuck you too. Okay,

737
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: that's fun, that's representation. Yet no notes. I actually I

738
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: remember a scene in Niptuck that um we all loved

739
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: um that show, and it was the daughter was nine

740
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: years old and her older brother scared her by telling

741
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: her what a period was, so she thought she had

742
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: to put a tamp on and now she went and

743
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: put it in and left it in toxic got tss.

744
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I remember this episode was convulsing and went to the hospital.

745
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: And I have never ever fucking forgot that because I'm like,

746
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I'll never leave a tampon in for more than twenty

747
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: five sacands, I swear that's fearmongering from big tampon. Yes.

748
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: But all this to say that a lot of the

749
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: what very little representation of menstruation there is in media

750
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: has mostly been like, oh my god, it's horrible. It's horrible,

751
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: or there's some like weird like delicate flower kind of

752
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: like you have blossomed in to a woman kind of

753
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: weird ship as opposed to just like it's a thing

754
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: that happens when you're still a kid, and you still

755
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: react like a kid around it, and it doesn't make

756
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: you like a woman now necessarily, it just as a

757
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: bodily thing that happens. It's just a bottle function. Yeah,

758
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Like and I and I really liked that, Like Ming

759
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: treated it like she's like anxious because she's like, oh,

760
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready, But like she doesn't treat it like

761
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, like scary. She tries to be calming

762
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: about it. It seems like maybe they've talked about it

763
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: before this scene, Like it just feels like it sets

764
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: a better precedent for people who get their period for

765
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: the first time, because yeah, I don't. I got my

766
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: period super late as a late bluemer in every single way,

767
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: and I thought I had shipped myself because we didn't

768
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: have sex that at my school. I love every time

769
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: you tell this story on the pod, which is I

770
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: think maybe ten times so many times. Look if there's

771
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: and if there's a perfect time for this story, this

772
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: is the episode. Yeah, but that was that was like

773
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: another criticism that I saw in this like first wave

774
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: of like you know, right leaning weirdos who were like

775
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: this is too much, where they were like, this is

776
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: too young an audience to be talking about periods too,

777
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: and which also got backlash because it's like you can

778
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: get your period as young as like eight years old.

779
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: My friend got it when she was nine, and it's

780
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: like if you are someone who menstruates, there's no rhymeries,

781
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: it's hormones, Like it just happens when it's going to happen. Yeah,

782
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: So so I'll have to say, like I think it

783
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: is like a huge deal. That's like a cool thing

784
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: that there's going to be a generation of kids growing

785
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: up knowing this of like all genders, because I do

786
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: feel like it's like addressing it even if you're if

787
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: you don't menstrate, it's just a way to be like, oh,

788
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: that's what that is. And I don't even think the

789
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: scene fully explains what that is. So I don't know

790
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: whatever it's so fucking mad about. If you like went

791
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: to the bathroom during that scene, you wouldn't be like,

792
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: this is a movie about like it's like just kind

793
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: of about like puberty in general exactly because the movie

794
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: is so much more about And yeah, you can map

795
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: on like going through puberty and getting your period onto

796
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: the red panda, Like that's a clear meta for but

797
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: there's also again a number of other metaphors or just

798
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: like themes that are driving this narrative far more than

799
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: the menstruation thing, such as I mean, there's this and

800
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: this is kind of connected to puberty in a way

801
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: that when you're going through puberty sometimes your emotions are

802
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: confusing and you don't really have the maturity to start

803
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: drawing people as mermaids, And you don't know why that

804
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: theme was really impactful. You know, there's a lot going

805
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: on in our development and a lot and you know

806
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: a lot of it is mental and emotional, and so

807
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: there's this kind of theme of emotions and like the

808
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: pressure to suppress emotions versus letting yourself feel the entire

809
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: range of your emotions, so like that's part of what

810
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: the movie is about. There's also a very strong, if

811
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: not the strongest theme of the movie, which is the

812
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: idea of honoring your family versus honoring yourself and finding

813
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: a healthy balance in that, where you can also kind

814
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: of extend that to a generational saying where kids coming

815
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: of age in a different cultural landscape than their parents,

816
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: and how that almost always creates generational conflict. And then

817
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: there's also the like aspect of Eastern and Western philosophies,

818
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: where you know, many Eastern philosophies prioritize family and community

819
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: over the individual, versus Western cultures tending to prioritize individuality.

820
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: And how May coming from a Chinese immigrant family, I

821
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: think she's second generation, if I'm understanding correctly, I think so. Um,

822
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: I think it might not be like explicitly stated, I

823
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah, it's a more just kind of like

824
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: basing it on, like who speaks with what accent kind

825
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: of thing. But even so, like her May growing up

826
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: in Toronto, where aside from her being at home with family,

827
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: she surrounded by Western ideology, and how that creates tension

828
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: between her and her family and also her and her friends,

829
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: because like she's being pulled at both ends in these

830
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: two different directions, and so like, that's what the movie

831
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: is about. That has to be relatable to so many

832
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: groups of people, exactly whether or not you have like

833
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: a familial obligations thing, just the idea of like, oh

834
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: I feel this way where my parents, in this way

835
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: where my friends. That's what being a teen exactly. And

836
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: I love that a huge focus of this movie is

837
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: on friendship, and specifically female friendship, and specifically like teenage

838
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: female friendship, because so few movies are about that. And

839
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: I love that this movie examines how your friends, especially

840
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: at an age like thirteen, which is like maybe the

841
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: worst age you can be. Like, how the people who

842
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: understand you the most and who can bring you the

843
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 1: most comfort as you come of age and navigate life

844
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: are your friends. Like that is such a relatable thing

845
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: for people, especially of that age. So I think that's

846
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: a great point too, because something this movie does that

847
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: I really liked was just like, oh, I was a

848
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: big boy band head, and that is kind of viewed

849
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: as like ditzy girl interests, you know, like not serious

850
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: fandom or whatever, and it's like this movie doesn't make

851
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: any political commentary on it, but it's kind of just

852
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: by virtue of existing, honoring the things a young kid

853
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: might care about without casting any judgment on it exactly.

854
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, she wants to sit in her

855
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: room and doodle, she wants to talk all day out

856
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: to her with her friends on the phone, and that's

857
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: might be seen in one way by like media, but

858
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: like you see that it is crucial for her like

859
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: development and her well being to do all that stuff right.

860
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: They talk about how going to this concert is going

861
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: to be a major milestone and it's going to basically

862
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: it's like symbolic of their step toward becoming women. Like

863
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: they're literally me and my cousin's going, Okay, I'm gonna

864
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: tell another story I've told the podcast. That was how

865
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: me and my cousins fault when we went to see

866
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: the Backstreet Boys the night before eleven, And then it

867
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: turns out that that was not the event that was

868
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: going to make headlines that week, but the one I

869
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: reflect on more frequently. Yes, but I really liked how

870
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: like this movie because we've talked about stuff like this

871
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: before where sometimes it's like in movies with like kids

872
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: and like young teens, and I'm like thinking non judgmentally

873
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: because they were important to me. But like with Mary

874
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: Kay and Nashley movies, it's like you have twelve or

875
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: thirteen year old kids and there's like they have romantic interests,

876
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: which does make sense for a kid of that age,

877
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: but it also like it becomes important to the plot

878
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: that they have a boyfriend by the end or whatever happens.

879
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: But this movie, I feel like, does something cool that

880
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: I've never that I can't really think of seeing at

881
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: least many times where it's like they are having like

882
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: a this weird awakening that a lot of kids had

883
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: when they saw boy bands, and now boy bands are

884
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: fully back, so it's happening again, but there's no like

885
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: romantic plot that's important to the movie. It's like they're

886
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: allowed to like I don't know, I feel like you

887
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: can't at least it like matched my experience kind of closely,

888
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: where it's like being thirteen and like not being ready

889
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: for an actual anything, but like projecting like a mad

890
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: person onto like every cute older boy or like boy

891
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: band or even like May May when she like has

892
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: a crush on the store clerk who's like clear, like

893
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: she doesn't think anything is going to happen, but it's

894
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: just like the idea of it. I don't know. It

895
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: reminds me of like summer camp counselor she has another

896
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: crush too on some kid named like Carter Michael Murphy

897
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: or I don't know, Chad Michael Murray, Michael Carter Michael Murphy.

898
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: It's something and every time she sees him she gets

899
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: all googlely eyed and like, yeah, that's a very relatable

900
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: experience because again, when you're like going through puberty and

901
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: your hormones are just like firing on all cylinders and

902
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: you're like horny is hell, And I like love that

903
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: this movie is about like teenage horny nous. Don't you

904
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: know how to do anything and you don't know what

905
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: it is right, You're just like what do I do

906
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: with this? But it's just there and it's consuming many

907
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: of your thoughts, which is again like seen as something

908
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: by society is like oh what team girls being horny?

909
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: That can't be a what that's horrifying or that can't

910
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: be a thing. But it's like a very real thing

911
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: that this movie handles very responsibly, And I just I

912
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: love to see it on screen. There's this bit called

913
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: Larger than Life by Maria Sherman, and it's like an

914
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: encyclopedia on boy bands through the ages and like what

915
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: purpose they serve and like why we have come back

916
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: to them after decades and decades, like there is always

917
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: some sort of boy band force. And one of the

918
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: things the author says that I found really interesting because

919
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: like boy band's being elemental and like figuring out your

920
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: sexuality or at least starting to think about it. And

921
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 1: it's like it's a safe avenue to do that because

922
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: so like what both of you are saying. It's like,

923
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be with Ja C Chase, but

924
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: I can look at him and feel like he's talking

925
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: to me in a way I don't feel like the

926
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: boys in my school were. And that's my like safe

927
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: mental avenue to like figure out my ship a little bit.

928
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: It was also a jay Z girl, Thank you. I

929
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: have a poster of jac girls don't speak up enough. Yes,

930
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: we are hiding, we are hiding. We are afraid. It's

931
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: because his song. It's because his solo song. All day long,

932
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: I dream about sex. It's embarrassing. I used to wait,

933
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: here's my anecdote. I had that album which is called

934
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: schisip Nick, which is disgusting and horrible. But I used

935
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: to listen to that song and I would scream the

936
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: word cupcakes over the word sex because I didn't want

937
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: my parents stay here. That's so cute. Oh my gosh,

938
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Well I love that. My friends and I would do

939
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: something similar with Nellie's hot in here. We'd be like,

940
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: so put on all your clothes, and then my mom

941
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: would be like, awesome, great her song. All the long,

942
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: I dream about cupcakes. He should release that might be coming,

943
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: and he hasn't released the second album, so that would

944
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: be what he has been working on. He's been working

945
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:44,479
Speaker 1: on it for two days ago. Oh gosh. But yeah,

946
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: that's fascinating about like culturally, boy bands just being a

947
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: thing to help people be horny and figure out their

948
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: horny nous. Yeah, they're just projection boards. And I liked

949
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: I really like that San where May is like the

950
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: animation and that scene is so funny, like that where

951
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: she's drawing like these weird pictures of mermaid boys and

952
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: she's like, what's happening? What am I doing? And she's

953
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: like ashamed, but also like can't stop and you're like, yeah,

954
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: that's and there. So I watched there was like a

955
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: Disney Plus documentary about the making of this movie. I

956
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: really like went down the Domy Sheeth hole. I was like,

957
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: I want to be her friend, um, but she had

958
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: like notebooks like this, and then shows it on screen

959
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: of like anime pictures. She drew of her crush when

960
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: she was like in middle school and her mom kept it.

961
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: And there's like a scene where she's like zooming with

962
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: her mom and she's like, hey, do you still have

963
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: those sketch books? And her mom was like, I know

964
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about, and then went to the

965
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: other room and grabbed it and was like two thousand

966
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: and two, and like there were all these like, you know,

967
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: very adolescent, weird drawings of like cute boys. I was like, wow,

968
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't think my parents kept that stuff. I hope

969
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: they didn't, but it existed. I remember a crush of

970
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: mine got a wart on his thumb and this was

971
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: like kind of national news for me, and that became

972
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: like my fixation to draw, Like I wonder when this

973
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: will go down? And I would draw it like all

974
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: the time, and and like when I was in first

975
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: grade anyway humiliating for him. I used to have like

976
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: my like kid fantasies. I remember, like they would be

977
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: so specific that I would always appear in them exactly

978
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: as I was. Like. I didn't change anything about myself,

979
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: which would have made it easier, but I had like

980
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: a specific memory of like I would have the same

981
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: like fantasy about like talking to Daniel Radcliffe at like

982
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: basically a bridge retain party at night, and it was

983
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: like the same thing. It would just be my little

984
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: thought that would help me off to sleep. But there

985
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: was like one time where I had conjunctive itus and

986
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: my eyes were really gross and I had to defy

987
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: the fantasy. So he's like, I don't care that you

988
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: have conjunctively I still like you. Absolutely, yes, huge, huge,

989
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: And in that moment I felt truly seen, Yes, even

990
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: though I for I could not see. I had my

991
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: eyes full of crust. That is a beautiful story. Um,

992
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and then we will come

993
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: back for a more discussion. We're back, all right, And

994
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: what shall we talk about next? Should we talk about

995
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: May's relationship with her mom and the generational issues in

996
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: this movie? Yeah? Yeah, I mean we sort of started

997
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: talking talking about it already, But I like that. I mean,

998
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: it's rare for a Disney Pixar movie specifically to center

999
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: a mother daughter relationship, shocking that a mother and a

1000
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: grandmother are alive. And I do like the connection that

1001
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: May and her mom have. And I also like that

1002
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: it's like established early on that they like each other

1003
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: and they like spending time together, but there's like just

1004
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: certain things they can't talk about. I felt like real

1005
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: where like it's established, like like I really like working

1006
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: at the temple with my mom, Like they have a

1007
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: whole system of how they clean and how they host

1008
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Um, but then there's like certain

1009
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: topics that you can't go there. And it's like which

1010
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: I thought was like a cool balance and and and

1011
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: you don't see that in like big Disney movies very much, Right,

1012
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: It's another thing that's relatable. And Yeah, I liked that

1013
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: the relationships that are focused on, at least the familial

1014
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: relationships that are focused on in the movie are mothers

1015
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: and daughters going back generations and generations where they like

1016
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: honor their ancestor son ye who like was this powerful

1017
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: figure who like wanted to be a red panda because

1018
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: she wanted to be able to protect herself and her

1019
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: daughters during wartime, so she like asked for red panda

1020
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: powers from the gods. And then which is like a

1021
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: good idea to specifically idea. I can't say I would

1022
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: have thought to do that, but now I've been like,

1023
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: a weapon would be awesome. She's like, no, I want

1024
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: to turn into the cutest animal imaginable, but also be

1025
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: like very fierce because she was able to fend off

1026
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: bandits and protect her village and save her family from ruin.

1027
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: So I love that. That's like the origin story. And

1028
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: then you know this gets passed down and then we

1029
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: again focus in the movie on Ming and May and

1030
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: how again there's yeah, there's just like kind of cultural

1031
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: differences that are creating tension between them, the air generational

1032
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: differences um that are again relatable for an awful lot

1033
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: of people, but are all there, Like there are a

1034
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: lot of like culturally specific things that get touched on

1035
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: in the movie, but still there's a relationship that is

1036
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: very universally relatable, which I thought was really cool and

1037
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: not many movies pull it off very well, but I

1038
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: thought this one did. Adding to that too, like as

1039
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: someone who's grown up with two thousand aunties and uncles.

1040
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: I've never seen aunties in a children's movie of any

1041
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: kind in America, So it's really cool to see that

1042
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: because your aunties are not necessarily related to you. They

1043
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: might just be your family's friends, and like that bond

1044
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: forms from like being the only people of your race

1045
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: and that speak your language around and so they all

1046
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: just become people like these are the people that are

1047
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: away at my house, that they're all by Auntie or whatever.

1048
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: So it's really cool to see that too as a

1049
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: as an important relationship or something that mattered, Like you

1050
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: needed all of them there to kind of do that

1051
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: thing at the end. So I like that. Yeah, coming

1052
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: together as family, Yeah, I thought that was beautiful. I

1053
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: did see and I think we hinted at this, but

1054
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of critic ism about how people

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Speaker 1: a lot of people felt that this movie leaned into

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Speaker 1: the tiger mom stereotype. I read it one review in

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Speaker 1: particular by a fourteen year old film critic who it

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Speaker 1: was from teen Vook. The critics name is Tabitha Yun.

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Speaker 1: Her reviews entitled Turning Red made me feel understood as

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Speaker 1: a Chinese American teen um and Tabitha, you know, discusses

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways in which this movie, you know,

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Speaker 1: she feels very seen by it and specific scenes that

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Speaker 1: she really connected with. But she does call out the

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Speaker 1: use of the tiger mom stereotype um, which I certainly see,

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Speaker 1: but also because DOMI, she is very much pulling from

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Speaker 1: her own experience and her own family dynamics. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's necessarily fair to criticize someone for playing into

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Speaker 1: tropes when that filmmaker is just retelling their own experience.

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Speaker 1: I watched this with my Chinese American friend and her

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Speaker 1: parents are immigrants. My parents are immigrants, and it was

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Speaker 1: funny because we were like, she's so much nicer than

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Speaker 1: my mom. Like, because like I do think there is

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Speaker 1: something like the tiger Mont's experience is definitely like a

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Speaker 1: watered down, very like myopic view of how an Asian

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Speaker 1: person parents, for sure, But there are just certain things

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Speaker 1: it was like that was relatable to me in some moments.

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Speaker 1: It's hard because it's like, this is some people's experience,

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Speaker 1: but it's not other people's experience. Like I protect my

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Speaker 1: parents are not strict, but they are like I cannot

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Speaker 1: talk about a huge swath of topics with my mom

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Speaker 1: because she will be co upset and so it's like

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Speaker 1: that part was so relatable to me. So it's like

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Speaker 1: I totally get what this young film critic is saying

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Speaker 1: where you don't want to lean on that stuff, but

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Speaker 1: it's so tough because also there's like no representation of

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Speaker 1: that in the Pixar universe to begin with. So it's

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Speaker 1: like if there were a bunch of movies with Asian

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Speaker 1: families and they were all doing that, it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's like there's only one. Oh no. And again, I

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Speaker 1: do feel like her mom like kind of learned to

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Speaker 1: listen to her daughter and learn from her daughter, and

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Speaker 1: like that is sort of not part of that trope

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Speaker 1: so much. Uh yeah, that's just what I thought. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's more nuanced than just like the flat trope.

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Speaker 1: And I also feel like that, I mean, because the criticism,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean again, first of all, like I don't

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Speaker 1: really get to have an opinion from from a fu

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Speaker 1: Irish Italian family like there um, but I did feel

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Speaker 1: like the more I learned about how particular this story

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Speaker 1: is to dom she, its like I understand the criticism

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Speaker 1: and it is a valid criticism, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: it just speaks to a bigger problem than what this

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Speaker 1: movie is, because where you're saying like a lack of

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Speaker 1: representation in general, where it's like, well, Domi, she is

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Speaker 1: like telling people of her story, so you can't tell

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Speaker 1: her she's wrong to do it, and that puts a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure on her as like one Chinese Canadian

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Speaker 1: filmmaker to represent every you know, first generation kit. So

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Speaker 1: it's like yeah, yeah, I feel like it just like

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Speaker 1: speaks to what a what a significant pressure there is

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Speaker 1: on her specifically, which isn't fair, right, And and Demmy,

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Speaker 1: she has spoken a lot about her intentions with this

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Speaker 1: movie and the way she characterized the mother daughter relationship.

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Speaker 1: Um she was speaking on immigrant children and specifically Asian children, quote,

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Speaker 1: they have to figure out what world they belong to,

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Speaker 1: how to honor their parents and their family's expectations, but

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Speaker 1: how to carve out this independent identity for themselves in

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Speaker 1: this new world that their family is not from. I think,

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Speaker 1: especially for immigrant kids, Asian kids, and for May in

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Speaker 1: the movie, I think she has to come to realize

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Speaker 1: that there is no perfect relationship with your parents, and

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Speaker 1: that is always going to be messy. We really wanted

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Speaker 1: to explore the nuances of Asian parent child relationships and

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Speaker 1: dealing with change and of intergenerational conflict and how it

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Speaker 1: can shape who we become unquote. So like that was

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Speaker 1: her intention. That's very clearly what comes through in the movie. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I and like I agree that you're saying earlier

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Speaker 1: right there where it's like you get more context for

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Speaker 1: Ming's behavior than you ever would with like a truly

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Speaker 1: like distilled version of that troupe because you get like

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Speaker 1: a look at her relationship with her mom and how

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Speaker 1: like totally this is clearly like a generational trauma issue

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Speaker 1: that like doesn't exist in a void. And it's almost

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Speaker 1: a little like, oh, you're allowed to change traditions to

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Speaker 1: suit you. You're allowed. It's like a permission kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: because like I just do someone that was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's almost saying it was okay for her to be

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Speaker 1: mean to her daughter, because there was a long line

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Speaker 1: of that, like listen, first of all, I feel like

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Speaker 1: there's a different if you're being mean to your daughter

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Speaker 1: at being a strict parent. I don't know whatever, uh,

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Speaker 1: but yeah I thought that was like nice, Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: nice contact, nice backstory, nice like humanity given totally. Um.

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Speaker 1: Here's another quote from Domici that I wanted to share

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Speaker 1: about this. She was speaking about just kind of the

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Speaker 1: conception of the movie and how the idea for the

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Speaker 1: movie came from quote, wanting to make a movie for

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Speaker 1: that thirteen year old Tommy who was struggling with her

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Speaker 1: body and her emotions and fighting with her mom every

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Speaker 1: day and wanting to understand what was going on at

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Speaker 1: that time, but in a fun and unique and magical

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Speaker 1: way unquote. So it's like one. She executes this well

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Speaker 1: in the movie too. Again relatable because I was fighting

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Speaker 1: with my mom every day too when I was thirteens.

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Speaker 1: Simply what you do, It's just simply what happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm my tireless Domi, she defender. After watching

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Speaker 1: that documentary, I like her so much and and I

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Speaker 1: like tell like the whatever at the climax of the movie,

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Speaker 1: like so much of stuff is like focused on like

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Speaker 1: how May is like struggling to balance her Chinese culture

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Speaker 1: with like her Canadian culture, and how there's like not

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Speaker 1: really one person that she can talk to about everything

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Speaker 1: and like that, and then it's like then you get

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Speaker 1: the ritual music syncopate with for town, you're like synergy

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Speaker 1: and you're like this is hot and ship this is

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Speaker 1: what I walked up a It's like it works and

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Speaker 1: it's yeah. I like that it's culturally specific and still

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Speaker 1: super relatable because that's like what good kids movies should be, right.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of specific references to Chinese culture

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Speaker 1: that Hollywood movies have historically shied away from, and not

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Speaker 1: speaking just of like Chinese culture, but like any culture

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Speaker 1: that's not like white American Hollywood tends to shy away

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Speaker 1: from any stories or references of that nature because you know,

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Speaker 1: Mr Hollywood is afraid that it will alienate movie going

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Speaker 1: audiences who Mr. Hollywood perceives to be white men based

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Speaker 1: on the movies that Hollywood has historically turned out. So

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Speaker 1: you mean Mr Hollywood, Mr Hollywood is Sunny. Actually is Sunny.

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Speaker 1: That's he's rubbing his paws together. It makes me sick

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Speaker 1: to look at Sunny is actually running Paramount plus right now,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. But yeah, it was just like very

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Speaker 1: refreshing to have this story with these specific cultural references

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01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: that a lot of people were able to see themselves in.

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Speaker 1: But the story overall is just very universally relatable, and

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Speaker 1: it does feel like more movie are, like like for kids,

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Speaker 1: are headed in this direction where it's like recently also

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Speaker 1: have like cocoa and um incanto, which, like every child

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Speaker 1: in the world is it's a trigger word for them.

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Speaker 1: They will. My mom sent me a video. My mom's

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Speaker 1: a second gardye teacher, and she sent me a video

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Speaker 1: of her just like saying the word incanto at school

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Speaker 1: and all the kids were like like they was like

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Speaker 1: they had just done a line of coke, Like, uh,

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Speaker 1: we will cover incanto of the show at upoint, Yes

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Speaker 1: we will. But I like that there's more space being

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Speaker 1: made for like culturally specific kids stories and also that

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Speaker 1: they're like doing really fucking well too. Like I do

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Speaker 1: wish that this I mean, I think it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if this I don't really know, like production wise,

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Speaker 1: whether this movie was always intended to go straight to

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Speaker 1: streaming or if that was a COVID thing. I do

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Speaker 1: wish that this movie got a general release because I do.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like maybe, with the exception

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Speaker 1: of Encanto, a lot of like Disney Kids movies at

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Speaker 1: least that like feature like non white protagonists go straight

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Speaker 1: to streaming and don't get the theatrical releases right, so, uh,

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Speaker 1: perhaps a bit of side either. I don't really know

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Speaker 1: um what the COVID situation is there, so I could

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Speaker 1: be wrong, but I was like, why didn't this movie

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Speaker 1: get a huge release? It would have done well. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what Also I have Tyler is the devil.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he should have gotten a redemption arc.

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Speaker 1: He should have gone to detention. I like that we

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Speaker 1: see and this one. I think also maybe the reason

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people had kind of perceived Ming

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Speaker 1: as a tiger mom. I think that might have been

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Speaker 1: sort of enhanced by the fact that May's dad Jin

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Speaker 1: was very like understanding, I'm cool and I'm nice, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like also sort of barely in the movie, but

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Speaker 1: when I am here, I'm super nice. But then the

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Speaker 1: flip side of that is like, when was the last

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Speaker 1: time you saw like a father talked to his daughter

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Speaker 1: about puberty and like accepting yourself. That is I'm edge alerting,

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Speaker 1: but I'm like, I think it's good. I think dad

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Speaker 1: being nice about Panda good. Actually, I like I really

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Speaker 1: liked that scene, like after he finds the video Kim, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the video camera footage. It's really cute. It makes

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Speaker 1: me cry. I like that you see him make dinner

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Speaker 1: for the family, Like how often do you see the

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Speaker 1: dad making dinner rather than the mom? Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: that's that's another like fun thing about the story that's

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Speaker 1: like the food is really culturally specific and like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it maybe funk absolutely listen Pixar, should I

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Speaker 1: mean rat Tui too. Let's go do another food movie.

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Speaker 1: Come on, ra there we go where Guini has to

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Speaker 1: help the rat do something and he has to step

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Speaker 1: on the rat. Remy dies immediately. And maybe I also

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Speaker 1: do want to see the movie Raka Kuni with There's

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Speaker 1: a reference to anything everywhere all at once. Where's that

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Speaker 1: spin off? It's in the works. Let's talk about friendship

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Speaker 1: really quick. Um, we've kind of covered this already, but

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Speaker 1: I really liked May's relationship with her friends. Again, I

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Speaker 1: guess this is really really closely pulled from Domi She's

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Speaker 1: life and Miriam is basically an analog for her best

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Speaker 1: friend in Toronto growing up, and they were very close

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Speaker 1: and I guess they're still friends, which is really sweet.

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Speaker 1: And I liked that it's like they are so close

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Speaker 1: and like when I don't know when you're thirteen. Those

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Speaker 1: are like the people that, besides random boys you don't

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Speaker 1: actually know, the only people you think about. Like I

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Speaker 1: just I liked their closeness. I wish that you got

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Speaker 1: a little more of Priya and Abby because it did

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Speaker 1: sort of become like the Miriam Show in terms of

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Speaker 1: like friends stuff. I wish that they had more moments. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree, especially because I think specific being around. I

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Speaker 1: love that she had like a core group that had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of Asian friends in it. I think that rules.

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Speaker 1: That was what my friend group felt like too. It

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Speaker 1: was funny too because I think Abby is Jewish and

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01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,719
Speaker 1: it was like all of my white friends were Jewish

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01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: and then all of my other friends were Asian. Oh

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Speaker 1: I thought Abby, Abby is Korean? Who Who's Miriam? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I should have said Plaid, Sorry, but I just love

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Speaker 1: I love that dynamic. But I felt like one of

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Speaker 1: my best friends growing up with Chinese American and we

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01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: could just talk for just forever about like my parents

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: doing this that's really similar to something might like. It

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01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: made me feel normal. I don't know what I would

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01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: have done without that experience, and I feel like that

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01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: is the benefit of having that that story wise, not

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01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: even just from the director's life, like that core group

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01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: is just like do you experience like how can we

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01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: talk to each other and make each other feel more

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01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: safe and normal? So I'm with you there. It would

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: have been cooler to see like more conversations like that

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01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: because I feel like they don't really they happen a

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: little bit of like my mom doesn't get me, but

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01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: it's mostly it's mostly for town in Panda. It would

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: be cool if they were talking to me about their

1279
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 1: own parents. I think there would have been room two

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: to even if it was briefly just to like check

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01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: in with each of May's friends families and like just

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01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: to kind of see, yeah, what their families are like

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: and what their home life is like. But um, yeah,

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01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: I we we've talked before about because we've covered a

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01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: number of coming of age stories on the show, but

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01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: it's a genre that is so white historically and really

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01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: like upper class to others. It's like, what's this movie

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: does do? It's like fancy house party for thirteen year

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: old and yeah, sure, sure it happened, But yet to

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: have a coming of age story that focuses on character

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01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: of color. Most of her friends are of color, and

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01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: the movie doesn't center whiteness. Said all is really I

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01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: mean shouldn't be remarkable, that should just be a thing

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01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: that already exists. But as we've said, there is uh

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01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: severe lack. I mean, this is the first Pixar feature

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01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: film directed by an Asian woman, and the only Pixar

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01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: movie directed by one woman at all. I think that

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01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: there's been like a woman who co directed, but never

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01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: like because the director of Brave she got like fucked over.

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01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah she got ye, but I don't remember if she

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: ended up with soul director credit or not, or maybe

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01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: it was okay, yeah, no dummy. She is the first

1303
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: in many categories. And also there's like a majority, um,

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01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: most of the people working in high positions on this

1305
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: show are on this movie are also women. She co

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: wrote with Julia Cho who is a famous playwright. Um,

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01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: so they We're Together is produced by women. There was

1308
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 1: like the if you're interested in learning more, it's all

1309
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: covered in that forty five minute documentary that happens. If

1310
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: you watch all of the credits of Turning Red, it

1311
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: just starts, um, but it it covers like all of

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01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: these like women in high positions making this movie during COVID.

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01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: Some of them are like trying to raise young children.

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01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: They're talking about like how it's been This is like

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01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: a really unique project in animation to have so many

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01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: women at the top of a project. And I know

1317
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: everything Disney makes is essentially propaganda, but this felt like

1318
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: propaganda that I liked propaganda. Yeah, it was making me smile,

1319
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: and so it was. Yeah, It's like it's it's a

1320
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: rarity on so many fronts because Picks, I feel like Pixar,

1321
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: there have been like public scandals that have to do

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01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: with like how few women or people color or a

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01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: Pixar and it's like caused huge issues in the past.

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01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: So totally it seems like Toomi, she is like the

1325
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: new wave and I thought it was cool that her.

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01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: She says in the documentary that her mentor is my

1327
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:17,520
Speaker 1: favorite Picks are director Pete Doctor who did Monsters Incorporated.

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01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: So he's been her mentor for a long time and

1329
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: she like pitched him the idea and she tells this

1330
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: anecdote that's really cool where she was like, I don't know,

1331
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: should it be less culturally specific or like, are they

1332
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: less likely to choose this idea to be turned into

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01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: a feature if it's culturally specific, and he I guess

1334
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: he was like, nope, double down and cool she did

1335
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: and the movie got So that's awesome. Who love it? Um?

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01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: Does anyone else have anything they want to talk about? No?

1337
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: I just can't believe that growstall the moon literally the

1338
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: day after and it's not addressed. That's the ship that

1339
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: they didn't want to put in the documentary. They're like,

1340
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: it's too dangerous. The whole grow situation, the whole weird

1341
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: how that was kind of left out? Okay, because I

1342
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: heard that Steve Carrell was having public tantrums about the

1343
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: whole situation, could not let it go. Kevin wouldn't leave

1344
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: his trailerk Kevin's was being a complete diva about it.

1345
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: He was like, just pushed the date by a week

1346
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: and they said, no, oh my god, Kevin Kevin culture wild. Um,

1347
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think. I mean that's about all I

1348
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: have to Oh the last thing that was just very

1349
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: two thousand two specific. Also, this made me laugh where

1350
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: there are so many things about this movie that are

1351
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: a first for Disney Pixar, but there were a few

1352
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: random internet articles that were like the first Disney movie

1353
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: to take blaze in Canada, and you're like, all right,

1354
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: like that's whore. That is cool, and it feels like

1355
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: when people are like Trailblazer Jill Biden is the first

1356
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: Italian American first lady, and you're kind of like great,

1357
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: I get like that's awesome. I actually do think it's

1358
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: cool because, like I mean, all of Hollywood and like

1359
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 1: Disney Media is is like very America centric, So I'm like,

1360
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,480
Speaker 1: what about our friendly neighbors to the north. The denizens

1361
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: of Toronto were thrilled, and I guess that they really

1362
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: like nailed it in terms of like I guess, even

1363
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: the name of the stadium they perform att used to

1364
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: have a different name, and they did it correctly and

1365
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: it was all nice. In conclusion, the best thing that

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01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: happens in this movie is may making a power point

1367
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: presentation to get what she wants. Um I have done that.

1368
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: I did that because I wanted to do something abroad

1369
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: and my dad said no. The answer to the power

1370
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: point I've It's never been yes, You've always I don't

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01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: know what what happens in your brain. That's like this

1372
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: will show them I'm a professional. It's like, actually, you

1373
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: just proved to your parents you're a fucking wheenie. So

1374
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: that's all that happens. You just did homework for free

1375
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: and for work, just like you do at school, like

1376
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 1: a chump, and then like we should walk out today. Well, um,

1377
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: as far as the Bechtel test goes, this movie passes

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01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: very very handily. Yeah, no question about it. Between a

1379
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: number of different combinations of characters. Yeah, it's kind of

1380
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: an easy one. We don't need to break it down.

1381
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: It happens between almost Men don't play a big role

1382
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: in this movie really, except for the I do think

1383
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: for some reason, four Time passes the Bechtel test for

1384
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: me personally. I think because they're talking about us, like

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01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: they're talking about like them, like girls, and you know

1386
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: they're they're they're passing it for us, and I think

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01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: that's nice. Absolutely. I agree. Yeah, so let's do the

1388
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: nipple scale. Nipple scales zero to five nipples based on

1389
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: how the movie fares when examining it through an intersectional faminess.

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01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: Lens enjoyed watching rica s face onine. We said the

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 1: Nile nipple scale. I was like, oh, I'm sorry, do

1392
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: you have questions? Pretty self explained? I think I first

1393
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: thought it might be like a pie chart of like

1394
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: one nipple and like how much of the nipple you

1395
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: feel it? I mean, you can interpret it that way

1396
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,879
Speaker 1: if you want to. The nipple scale is quite fluid.

1397
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: For me, I would give Turning red. I would give

1398
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: it for half or maybe even maybe. I just need

1399
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: to talk through this. I think all my grapes with

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01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,440
Speaker 1: the movie are just kind of like a little tiny

1401
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: plotty things that I had questions about. But as far

1402
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: as like what we analyze on the show, I don't

1403
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: really have any complaints. I like the hell, that's how

1404
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: I have to frame it too, because there I love complaining.

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01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: Then give it a five already. I think it's a

1406
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: five nipples. Yeah, five nipples, no reason not to. I'll

1407
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: give one to May one two Ming, who's voiced by Sandro.

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01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned that, So I shout out

1409
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: Chinese Canadian legend, and then I'll split the other three.

1410
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I'll give one to each of May's friends. I'm gonna

1411
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,959
Speaker 1: do five to I. I like with the like astrosk

1412
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: of like I understand the criticism around the Tiger Mom trope,

1413
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: but because it's like this is Domy, She's story, and

1414
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: she's been pretty explicit about it, and so like with

1415
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: that in mind, it's like I think that that the

1416
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 1: takeaway from that is like you just need more movies

1417
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: about Chinese, American, Chinese, Canadian, etcetera families Like that is

1418
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: the thing. Totally. Yeah, I love this movie so much.

1419
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: Um I am now DOMI she stand and I'm going

1420
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: to give it five nipples kind of that's just the beginning, middle,

1421
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: and end. I would say it would have been cool

1422
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: like in this movie too. It was like, I don't know,

1423
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that, like boy bands are

1424
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: a hetero construction. They're not, but it would have been

1425
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: cool to like see you know, like preteen queerness. Like

1426
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: I think that that would have been Yeah, there was

1427
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: room for it. Maybe there's the quietest suggestion because Tyler

1428
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: is also at the concert. The quietest suggestion because we

1429
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: don't that doesn't mean anything whatever. But I also wondered

1430
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 1: if there's a moment at the party where Miriam and

1431
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: there's like a kind of goth emo girl they have

1432
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: a kind of that it was pri and the goth girl.

1433
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: Oh sorry what did I say? You said? Miriam? Oh,

1434
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: I think it's Pa and the goth girl were dancing,

1435
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: and then the other three girls were like whoo, like, oh,

1436
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: I didn't even Okay, that didn't I didn't notice that

1437
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: I was talking about. I think there's a moment where

1438
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: they're doing like charades, and then one of them is like,

1439
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a different moment at the party. There's

1440
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: a charades moment and that actually might be pre two

1441
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: now I don't totally remember, but it's one of the

1442
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: friends and then like the goths girl who like have

1443
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: a little like moment. Yeah, I noticed that too, So

1444
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,759
Speaker 1: maybe that's a suggestion, but it could be certainly more overt.

1445
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: That's such a Disney move of like Josh Gad touches

1446
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: another man's hand and homophobia is solved. You're like, give

1447
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: it a rest. Anyways, that said, like, that's like a

1448
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: very very small gripe for a movie that is so

1449
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 1: fucking great. So I'm gonna give it five nipples, give

1450
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: one to May, three to the friends, and I'm going

1451
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: to give the last one to Dad's cooking. Yeah, rka,

1452
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: how about you. I will give just as someone who

1453
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: hasn't given nipples before. I'll see Moore and a half

1454
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: because I think everything you said was true. It like

1455
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: really takes a lot of boxes without even having to

1456
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: think about it. You're not scrounging your memory to remember

1457
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: how it satisfies. Like two people from a marginalized gender

1458
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: talking to each other. It happens the entire fucking movie. Um,

1459
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's really exciting and cool. And if

1460
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I have to give my nipples out, if I don't

1461
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: get to keep poured them, um, I mean that's also

1462
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: on the table. No, I should be generous. I'm gonna

1463
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 1: give Okay, I'll give to to May because I think

1464
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: she earned it. I think she did a lot of work. Um,

1465
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one Toming because she's done a lot

1466
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:35,839
Speaker 1: of work too. I'm gonna give one to the friends,

1467
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: and one and a half to the aunties and the grandma.

1468
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, oh yeah, we did sleep on. Look, the

1469
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: elder generations need nipples as well. That's what I was saying.

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Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. Well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on this show again. Thank you for bringing us

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Speaker 1: this movie today. Thank you, thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 1: What a blast. Oh my gosh, where can people check

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Speaker 1: Crew on Hulu Anemaniacs next year. I was like when

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Speaker 1: to say, I was, okay, Yes, what a treat. Animation rocks.

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Speaker 1: a lot more. And if you're compelled by the whole

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Speaker 1: And so we did cover Despicable Me, where this revelation

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Speaker 1: originally came to pass, amongst other things. So head over

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Speaker 1: slash the Bechtel cast Um. All right, shall we how

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Speaker 1: do we close this episode? Go to the I have

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Speaker 1: to go to the Four Town Reunion concert in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and oh my god, wait, one of the members of

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Speaker 1: four Town isn't Q and on Now that was my

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Speaker 1: Backstreet Foe experience. But Brian, Brian, Oh no, he was,

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Speaker 1: Brian was Brian and Nick were my boys. And then

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Speaker 1: Nick's a creep and then Brian's Q. He was on parlor.

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Speaker 1: We should have we should have gone with a J.

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Speaker 1: We see, we should have known. AJ has been through

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Speaker 1: some stuff and came at the other end. He is strong. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kevin has always been a father to the whole group.

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Speaker 1: How is my problem with him? Originally he's a father

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Speaker 1: to the whole group, I know. But also it's fun

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Speaker 1: to reflect on because I'm like, I really thought Kevin

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Speaker 1: was a senior citizen because he was twenty six years old. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: all right, Four Time Reunion Company. Okay, well, yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: let's go to the concert. Bye bye,