1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Bill Fortney with an army of normal folks. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: with Michael Lignas right after these brief messages from ours 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: and her sponsors Jets. This is a July Jets. I 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: hope you had a great weekend. I'm working to spread 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: an army in normal folks to as many people as possible. 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Something I want to talk to you about in just 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: a minute. And I just signed up for the premium membership. 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael. Also day to eighty two, Yuri's the 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: Future see for your own friends and Atlanta Redemption, Inc. 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: And I'm going to check out Isaiah One's seventeen house 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: in Georgia. And you take an elderly lady shopping every 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: two weeks. 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: That's what she does, she does that. 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So first let's unpack this. You heard 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: about Uri. That dude's crazy. So you've donated to Yuri's 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: super hero thing, which is Uri sat here with some 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: of his helmet and stuff on his table. That guy 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: is awesome. 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: He is. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: I watched a bunch of his YouTube videos. 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Did you, Yes, yeah, yeah, he does good work. And 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: then you've also donated to Redemption Ink. Redemption Ink. If 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: anybody hasn't heard that story, I really encourage you to 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: go back and listen to it because it is gosh. 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: If that doesn't grab at your heart nothing, it's dark. 28 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: I mean it's it is super dark. 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: It's basically formerly trafficked women, more times than not by 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: their handlers, their pimp or their captor will tattoo their 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: women and make them their property. And when women are 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: able to break free of that life, oftentimes at their 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: own peril, they have to kind of escape and they 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: try to start down the path of rebuilding their lives. 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: When they look in the mirror and they see that tattoo, 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: they're looking at a reminder every single day of their 37 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: former life and the misery and the trauma of their 38 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: captivity and then their trafficking. And the question is, how 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: in the world do you ever really move on when 40 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: you hate the thought of looking at yourself? And so 41 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: a formally trafficked woman started Redemption Ink and she helps 42 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: get no charge to these formally trafficked women to get 43 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: those tattoos removed. And that's in your hometown exactly. Yeah, 44 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: have you met her? I haven't, I haven't but you should. 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: She is phenomenal. She is really an amazing young woman. 46 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: And ironically enough, we have found another Uh there's a 47 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: story that didn't even out yet that we did the 48 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: interview earlier, and it will be released in the next 49 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: two three weeks. Spoiler alert. The name of it is 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: Eight Days of Hope. What's up? Yeah? Eight Days of 51 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: Hope does a lot of what Big Al does. But 52 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: they show up for eight days with four thousand volunteers 53 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: and they rebuild houses, and then they've gone to other 54 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: stuff and one of them is building houses now for 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: women who have been rescued from sex trafficking and all that, 56 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: and they deal with the ink problem. And so we're 57 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: going to try to hook up Days of Hope with 58 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: Redemption Ek to come together and then also let Big 59 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Al know about Eight Days of Hope so that Big 60 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Al can maybe team up and feed Eight Days of 61 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Hope while they're doing the work. How cool is that? 62 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well you need to meet Redemption E, Big 64 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: Al and the rest of them, and then tell us 65 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: about Isaiah one seventeen house, which is in your backyard. 66 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: Yes, so, and this is super ironic since we're staying 67 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: with two a couple that went to Millsops with me. 68 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 4: So they were asking me yesterday, so what's up the. 69 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: Staying here, staying here in Memphis with you when you're visiting. 70 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like you, they're saving us money by 71 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: staying with friends. 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: We're going to that next Just Alex, go back to 73 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: your corner and do some production. I'll handle the interview. 74 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: So love make him sit down. 75 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 4: So uh yeah, just you know, listening to the podcast, 76 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: you know, the foster system is really I think the 77 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: genesis you know, as you've seen a lot of the 78 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: issues we have. I mean, really, if we can solve that, 79 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 4: we can solve a lot. 80 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: And so I was just really, can I. 81 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: Say something real quick? Yeah, I don't want to hammer 82 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: the people in the foster system. They are doing the 83 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: very best they can with a horrific set of circumstances. 84 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: But the fact is, if you look at the demographics, 85 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: like seventy eight percent of the people incarcerated today were 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: at one time in the foster system. Sixty percent of 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: the women trafficked today were at one time in the 88 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: foster system. That is not the foster system's fault. That 89 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: is the family fault. That this child got left out 90 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: of and the foster system was the only catch base 91 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: in form and the people working in that system, by 92 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: and large are trying very hard with very little to 93 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: do the best they can do. But the problem is 94 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: when kids aren't adopted and brought into loving families and 95 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: they have to go into this foster care catch basin. 96 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: It has proven over and over again woefully inadequate in 97 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: preparing a child for life. 98 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: Yeap, especially when they you know, age out, there's. 99 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: Like age out, have no way to get fall back. 100 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: Nothing to fall back on. 101 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 4: So Isaiah, Yeah, so just the scope of what she's done, 102 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 4: like you know, the cheer the cheered teacher in Tennessee, 103 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 4: you know, and all she's done. 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: And then I was. 105 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: Looking up and there's one in North Georgia that we 106 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: want to go up and visit. But then last night 107 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 4: we're at our friend's house and they're asking me, Hey, 108 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 4: what's up with this podcast? 109 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: What's up with this? 110 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you coming to? 111 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? What are you doing? 112 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, So I'm giving them the story and then 113 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 4: they go, oh, you know what we uh, we do 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 4: work with this outfield outfit called Isaiah one seventeen I'm like, 115 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, that. 116 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: They're part of the podcast that we do and stuff 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: like that. 118 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: So I guess your host will tune in. 119 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I think theys of this. 120 00:06:53,279 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: One, whoever you are out there. So in addition, Sherry, 121 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: you'd take an early woman shopping every two weeks. 122 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 5: I do. 123 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: I found her on next door and she said I 124 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: just need some milk. And I reached out to her 125 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: and said, why don't we just go shopping and she 126 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: said she was not getting her you know, her food 127 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: stamp money, and there was a glitch, and I said, 128 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: We're just going to go shopping. Whenever you need something, 129 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: We're just going to go to Public's. We're going to shop, 130 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: and then we're going to go to your house and 131 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: we're going to put it all away. And she really 132 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: she's from Cuba, so she really enjoys talking about politics. 133 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 6: Oh boy, So she. 134 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: Can't wait to get the car to talk about politics 135 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: because a lot. 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 6: Of people don't have her view and I understand her 137 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 6: view and she her views. 138 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: So she texts me and we we, you know, chat 139 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: for a long time. 140 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 6: We talk about the Bible and we you know, and. 141 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: You just found her on the neighborhood app next door. 142 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: I did, and then I took myself off the next 143 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: door because it was just too much for me to handle. 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: And so it's just she and I and then we, 145 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: you know, we find different things to do, so unbelievable. 146 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: We have a great time together and I can't I 147 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: always look forward to getting in the car, and she's 148 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: just this frail little lady and she jumps up in 149 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: my Sequoia and is. 150 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 6: Ready to go and start talking, coughing. 151 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: So we have a really good time. I'm trying to 152 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: lead her to you know more. She's Catholic, and she 153 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: wanted to leave her more to feeling like she has 154 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: what she needs and all she has to do is 155 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: say I have what I need and she'll have it. 156 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 6: And so I keep telling her. 157 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 5: She gets what she needs through praying. She just doesn't 158 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 5: realize it. She said, oh, yeah, you're one of those people, 159 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: and I said yeah. So she's had a roof put 160 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 5: on her house by the neighborhood. She's had a hot 161 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 5: water heater replaced by the neighborhood. So she's she's been 162 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 5: well cared for and she just doesn't realize it. 163 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: So, you know, do you think all of this would 164 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: have happened had they not fired you from a business shop. 165 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: Built Probably not. 166 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 4: I mean I would have gotten the guideposts anyway, right, 167 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 4: But I would have still if I was still working 168 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: like I would have just I would have read the 169 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 4: story and go, wow, that's really really cool. 170 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: Let me think about doing that later. 171 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 4: But the fact that I, you know, had this time 172 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: on my hands, I really had the opportunity to take 173 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 4: advantage of it. 174 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: So let's recap, shall we. You've run with Back on 175 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: my Feet, You're You're inquired about sleeping Heavenly Face. You're 176 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: involved with care Portal. You've told you you've joined the 177 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Minions of Big Owl for if anything happens in your area. 178 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: You've donated to Yuri and the Superhero. You have donated 179 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: to Redemption Eek in Atlanta. You found out about the 180 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: Isaiah one seventeen house and are going to get involved 181 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: in that. And you take a elderly Cuban shopping every 182 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: two weeks or so to support her. I guess the 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: last one. I can't say it's connected, but I think 184 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: the overarching effort to serve is probably part of it. 185 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: And all of those things were connected to you by 186 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: listening to an army. 187 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 2: In orm books. Absolutely, So. 188 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: Now it's time for you to get in your soapbox 189 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: to our listeners right now. You don't have to have 190 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: a quarter down and change your profession to get involved, 191 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: but it's an open mic. I want you to talk 192 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: to the people listening to us right now, who many 193 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: of many people are regular listeners and some maybe first 194 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: time listeners. And I want you to explain from your 195 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: point of view what we're trying to accomplish, why who 196 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: gets what out of it, and why we need it 197 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: so bad? Go all right? 198 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, you can get so beat down. 199 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 4: And frustrated by what's going on in this world, right, 200 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I've I've gotten normal people do and I 201 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: I have. 202 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: One of the things I did was, I'm I'm. 203 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: Off a lot of social media because I just it's 204 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: not good for me, right, it brings me down. And 205 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 4: so tapping into an army of normal folks and seeing 206 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: the amazing work that regular people are doing, that are 207 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 4: having like profound change, like this isn't just you know, 208 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: in some cases it's smaller, but some of these things 209 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 4: are huge, Like profound start that way, they didn't start 210 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 4: that way right, I mean, just amazing change. It's just 211 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: there's so much positivity like it. It's just has changed 212 00:11:58,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: my life a lot. 213 00:11:59,640 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: You know. 214 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: One of the things I talk about listening to the 215 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 4: podcast when I go to work. One thing I try 216 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 4: to incorporate in my daily life was from Jim Valvano's 217 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 4: speech at the SP's right before he passed away, and 218 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 4: he was introducing the v Foundation, and he said, if 219 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 4: you can do three things every day, it's a good day. 220 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: Laugh, think and cry. 221 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: And I can be listening to one of the Army 222 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: and Normer Folks podcasts and I can do all three 223 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 4: of those things on my way to work, and then 224 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I've had a great day. In fact, 225 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 4: sometimes when I get to the office I have to 226 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 4: like hang out in the parking deck for a couple 227 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: of minutes because I got to compose myself before I 228 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: you know, go into the office, just because it moves 229 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 4: me so much. But it just, like I said, it's 230 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 4: just really changed our attitude about everything because you feel 231 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: like there's no hope, like we're never going to fix 232 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 4: any of these problems, and there's like people out there 233 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: coming up with amazing ideas to fix these problems and 234 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: it is doable. 235 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: We just need more. 236 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 4: People to get in line and help out. And you know, 237 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: you just got to start with something like it doesn't 238 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 4: have to be big. It's like, you know, find one 239 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 4: of these organizations and donate and you know, follow them 240 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 4: on social media and things like that. Or in my case, 241 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 4: you know, I just went out and did a run 242 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 4: and that thirty minute run I did with those people 243 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, I want to do this 244 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 4: forever as long as I can, because it's just I 245 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 4: get so much like most of your the people say, 246 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: you know, they get so much more out of it 247 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: than they put in, you know, put into it. So 248 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: forty five minutes are running, what I get out of 249 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: that is like ten times more than just hey, I 250 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 4: put some more miles on my feet for the week. 251 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: So my message is, listen, get involved. 252 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: You don't have to do some great thing, you know, 253 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 4: start up five O three whatever from the beginning, Like, 254 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: just do something and really align with what all these 255 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: people are doing, and we. 256 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: Can make things change here. 257 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: And it's I think the only way it's going to change, 258 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: given you know all the other forces that are out 259 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 4: there right now. 260 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: Do you want to just go ahead and host this 261 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: podcast because it sounds like everything I've been saying for 262 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: a year and a half. 263 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: Now, now, you do a great job. 264 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: Do any of these nine things you do ever feel 265 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: like work? 266 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 267 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: I mean they're just part of my you know, they're 268 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: just part of our lives now. I mean it's just 269 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 4: like you know, doing another chore or aeron. 270 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: But it's not even that. I mean, it's just part 271 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: of what we do. 272 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. A gentleman I interviewed not long 273 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: ago who actually runs a sleep in Heavenly Peace chapter 274 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: that when it starts to feel like work, it's no 275 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: longer philanthropy, and he said it's something you don't want 276 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: to have to do, it's something you get to do. 277 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: I thought that was a profound statement, and that's why 278 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: I spinny of it feels like work. But the truth 279 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: is you're you're involved in some way and giving or 280 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: being involved or trying to find out nine different things. 281 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Do you feel like, Hey, this is something I get 282 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: to do or something I need to do. 283 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: I think it's something I get to do. I mean, 284 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 4: it's just a great opportunity. Like you know, I'm a 285 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: very social person like I had. Like one of the 286 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: reasons why I took the job that I took was 287 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 4: because they had an office and I was going to 288 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 4: be in the office every day because I just like 289 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: being around, you know, around people, and so the more 290 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: opportunities I can have to go out and meet people 291 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 4: and get new perspectives and you know, really understand, especially 292 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 4: with you know, the members that back on my feet, 293 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: the struggles that people have and the effort it takes 294 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: to really get out because just like with the foster systems, 295 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: there's just not a lot of transition programs for people 296 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: that are in prison or they are homeless or the 297 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: foster that's the key is to give them a way 298 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 4: to get out. And if we provide that, then people 299 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 4: will do it. 300 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: When I started work at Manassas High School, I went 301 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: to North Memphis with At that point, I was thirty one, 302 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: So I went to Manassas with thirty one years of experience, 303 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: not an overabundance experience, but whatever level a thirty one 304 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: year old has of experience, that's what I went with. Well, 305 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: experience is important because it provides wisdom and perspective, but 306 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: experience can also be a little bit of a detriment 307 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: in that it also begins to your preconceived notions about 308 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: a particular area that people in it, why they're there, 309 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: how they're there, And if you listen to the narratives, 310 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: the public narratives long enough from whatever particular category you 311 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: separate yourselves into in this world, and you combine that 312 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: with the experiences you have when you show up at 313 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: the doorstep of a place you really don't understand, those 314 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: preconceived notions can be the very barrier that prohibits you 315 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: from having any success in the first place. And now 316 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: I did not know that back then. I do now, 317 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: And those notions that I once held to be absolute 318 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: and true, I now know the vast majority of them 319 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: were patently incorrect and candidly kept me from my own 320 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: personal growth. Have in just this short period of time 321 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: you work it back on my feet and listening and 322 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: getting involved in these other things, have they changed any 323 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: of your preconceived notions? 324 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 325 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 4: I mean I go back to something that Carly Rice said, 326 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: you know about when. 327 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: Good for you? Yeah good, yeah, carl Rice is awesome. 328 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: You know, when you see somebody on the street, like 329 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: I would say, you know a while back, my first 330 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 4: inclination would be to like turn, you know, not look whatever. 331 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: And you know the way she explained that, you know, 332 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: that person had a life, they probably didn't want to 333 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 4: be in the situation they're in. So just make on 334 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: contact and you know, smile and just acknowledge that they're 335 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: a human being and you know that kind of thing 336 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 4: as opposed to. 337 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: Totally ignoring it. 338 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 4: And so one of the other things that we do 339 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: as a family, we kind of got this idea from 340 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 4: the church. As we create these, we call them bags 341 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 4: of love, or we put a lot of things like tissue, 342 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: paper and foods and stuff like that into a drawstring 343 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 4: bag and we keep them in our car, and when 344 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 4: we stop at a place you know that has somebody 345 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 4: asking for something, we give them the bag. And so 346 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 4: sometimes we go buy the same intersections and we see 347 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 4: our bags, you know, sitting out there. They're using them 348 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 4: for something else or something like that. So that's kind 349 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: of funny. But there's a happens to be one gentleman 350 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 4: that has a dog with him every time, you. 351 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: Know, And I think in the past I. 352 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 4: Would have like maybe just like you know, given them 353 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 4: the same thing or whatever. But I've told chairs, like 354 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 4: there's this there's this guy that has a dog out 355 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: and she goes, oh, I'll get some dog treats and 356 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 4: so I. 357 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: Put them in the car and turn off. 358 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 4: Last week, you know, he was out there and I 359 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 4: was like, hey, dude, I got these just for you, 360 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 4: you know, and I gave them to him and I 361 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: pulled up and I could see him in my side 362 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: view mirror and like, you know, he walks over, leans 363 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 4: down to the dog and it's like showing the dog 364 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 4: the dog treats and the dogs wagging its tail and 365 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 4: everything like that. And so, you know, just understanding that 366 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: kind of personal perspective, like literally that you know, listening 367 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: to that podcast and listening to what she had to say, really, 368 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 4: you know, change my perspective on that. 369 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: Do you feel like, do you feel like that personal 370 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: growth matters? Oh? 371 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 4: It does for sure, because again, it kind of like 372 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: I was the same way, Like I was like, gosh, 373 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 4: how could you make such bad decisions? And you know, 374 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 4: this is your fault like and everything like that, and 375 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 4: it's just it's kind of gone away, like I don't 376 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: even think about that. I'm just like, what can I 377 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: do to, you know, help this person? And so it's 378 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: it's really changed a lot. 379 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Okay, this is a little interesting one. Does it change 380 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: the way you in to political discourse? 381 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 4: Well, I pretty much don't. She's the one that listens 382 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: to political discourse. 383 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: I really don't. 384 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: There's still a political discourse in the world. You you vote, right, 385 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: I understand what I'm saying. Does it even change the 386 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: way your perspective about the way you view society is run? Uh? 387 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: Or policy with guarding society? 388 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: Definitely with policy, because I mean again getting to understand 389 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 4: these programs you know that are out there that uh, 390 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 4: you know, most of the people here are trying to 391 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 4: circumvent because they don't work. It just shows that, you know, 392 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: we're we're not doing it right, Like we're throwing that's 393 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: all this money, this vote, all this money at stuff 394 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 4: that's not working. And again I equate it back to 395 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 4: my business because I mean I see a lot of 396 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 4: companies do the same thing, you know, where they are 397 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: investing in places that they should not be investing, you know, 398 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: because it's either not their core competency or it's inhibiting 399 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: their growth and things like that. 400 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: It's the same thing. 401 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 4: It's like, you know, we're spending all this money on 402 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 4: a foster care system that doesn't work, and throwing more 403 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: money on it's not going to make it better, Like 404 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 4: we've got to. 405 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: There's got to be radical change. 406 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: And you know what, it would be an interesting metric how 407 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: many people that are running and back on my feet 408 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: and the homeless were also part of the foster care 409 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: at one point, I would bet, I have no guess. 410 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: I mean I have guessed, I have no facts on it, 411 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: but I guarantee it's over fifty percent. 412 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: I would agree with that. 413 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: So it's interesting, you know, over the course last year 414 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: and a half of telling all these stories and meaning 415 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: all these unbelievable people, it's interesting how they seem so 416 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: dissimilar in their focus, but they're all almost all interwoven 417 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: by a common thread of poverty, a lack of education, 418 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: a poor home life, and how so very connected all 419 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: of this work really really is. And as such, when 420 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: your perspective and understanding of that evolves as a result 421 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: of hearing all these stories and learning all these stories 422 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: and all the work's being done, we always say that 423 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: the government's proven woefully inadequate, and there's an enormous amount 424 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: of power and wealth generated by continuing to craft narratives 425 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: that divide us and scare us. Frankly that the only 426 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: way we're really going to fix this is truly an 427 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: army of normal folks, seeing as in Eden felling them. 428 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 3: You see this is from the Susan Amra's interview. 429 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: Oh hold it, what'd you just look up? 430 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: We got the stats from Susan or Eramerez talks. 431 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: About this, and we know through statistics that fifty percent 432 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: of our home Wok population is made up of former 433 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: kids who came from foster care as alex On alex 434 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: On the Alex use the Google machine. Sixty percent of 435 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: child sex trafficking victims, seventy five percent of our prison 436 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: population all spend time in foster care. And we know 437 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: that girls by the time they're nineteen will be on 438 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: their second pregnancy, and those kids will also then go 439 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: back into the very care they came from. So as 440 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: you hear that and we think about I guess what 441 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying is, even if you don't have the heart 442 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: for the homeless, or the heart for the needy, or 443 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: the heart for the downtrodden, pragmatically, just pragmatically think about 444 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: our tax base, our society, and our culture. If we 445 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: could just fix these few things, how different our country 446 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: would look in only twenty years. Yeah, and when we find, 447 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: after telling these stories after fourteen months, that they really 448 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: are so interwoven and they all are connected by this 449 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: same commonality, what better answer is there? When we know 450 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: that government has proven woefully inadequate and candidly the government 451 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: it is not the government's core competency, just like what 452 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: you said about poor businesses, it's not what they're supposed 453 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: to be doing. And then we continue to give all 454 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: this money and power and power and wealth to people 455 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: who continue to craft narratives that scare us and make 456 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: us afraid of these quote people. The only answer, in fact, 457 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: is guys like you finding things to do from guys 458 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: like the people who've made these things, and saying enough enough. 459 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm tired of the preconceived notions. I'm tired of the narrative. 460 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: I'm just going to take whatever passion and ability I 461 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: have incorporate in places in need. See if I can 462 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: make a little change in my neighborhood. But what if 463 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: there was a million of you? What does this country 464 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: look like in your estimation? 465 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: Totally different? 466 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 4: I mean, just like go after the way I say, 467 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 4: I think if you go after the foster care system 468 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 4: and fix that, I mean, the ramifications down the line 469 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: are massive. We just do that, there's going to be 470 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: a huge change in the country. 471 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: And who's going to do it. 472 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 4: It's going to have to be an army of normal 473 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: folks because you're not going to get through the red 474 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 4: tape and everything of the government to look at these 475 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 4: kind of changes. 476 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: You just you just can't. 477 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So what's next. We've got some 478 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: more episodes coming up. 479 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll be listening in. 480 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: I'm in the middle of the one that just dropped 481 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: this this week, the couple from Alabama, you know, they're 482 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: from North Alabama. And I'll just continue to do that. 483 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 4: You know, I'm getting more and more and more involved 484 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: with back on my Feet, so that's obviously one I'm 485 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 4: gonna stay in. 486 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: Sounds like care Portal, you really do. 487 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh and actually with Saint Jude, I'm gonna 488 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 4: try to see if I can maybe get hooked up 489 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 4: with Enrique and I think we may try to go 490 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 4: up there this afternoon just to check it out. And 491 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 4: I'm actually coming back in December to run in the marathon. 492 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: Saint Jude Marathon. So hopefully I can get back up 493 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 4: and you know, see the facilities and that kind of 494 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 4: thing when I come back up in December. 495 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: Sure you proud of your hobby. I am. 496 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: He's grown a lot. 497 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: He's grown a lot. 498 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: Through your program because he really didn't have a lot 499 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: of the awareness of all of this. I do homehow 500 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: for physical therapy, have done that. So I'm kind of 501 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: surrounded by all the different ways of moving through different families. 502 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 3: It's not the same list to experience, you know, different 503 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 3: kind of. 504 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 6: Ways that people have had to. 505 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: Push themselves to new levels or where they've been placed 506 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 3: and it's not there, you know, not by their doing 507 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 3: or And really he was working really hard to provide 508 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: for his family and that was a big focus. And 509 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: now he's about, you know, a little more balanced. 510 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 6: So I have that, you know, to thank. 511 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 3: For MBO books so to take care of his you know, 512 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: his mental health. 513 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: To you, I wish I could get ten million people 514 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: to hear you. We've got a bunch, but we don't 515 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: have ten men. I just can't imagine people across our 516 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: country not hearing the story and hearing you and understanding 517 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: how you very organically have just found ways to plug 518 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: in and it's not work, it's something you get to do. 519 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: And literally, if there were a million of you, things 520 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: would change everywhere. And we are working hard to that 521 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: end to find nine hundred ninety nine thousand more of you. 522 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: I'm doing everything I can to get it out. 523 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: There, and I believe you are to that end. If 524 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: someone wants to reach out to you, how they find you? 525 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, mlignas at hotmail dot. 526 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: Com, M L I g n O s. These Greek 527 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: words are very difficult. Mlignus at hotmail dot com at 528 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: hotmail dot com, and I am sure you would be 529 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: happy to tell anybody about any opportunity. 530 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 2: Yes around. 531 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: Before we end so far, tell me your favorite interaction 532 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: you've had as a result of getting involved through the 533 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: things you found out from an army in normal folks. 534 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: So I think, so back on my feet. 535 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: One of the ways that we get our members into 536 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 4: races is we volunteer for the Atlanta When you. 537 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: Say members, the homeless guys, homeless people. 538 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so volunteers, I'm sorry. 539 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: So one of the ways you what, I've wanted to 540 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: make sure I knew who you were talking. 541 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: Right, So the members the homeless people that are associated 542 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: with Back on my Feet right. One of the ways 543 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: we get them into races is by working with the 544 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: Atlanta Track Club, which is a huge running organization been 545 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 4: around for forty five years in Atlanta. So we volunteer 546 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 4: at races to you know, line the race course and 547 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 4: we ring bells and encourage the runners and stuff like that. 548 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 4: And for doing that in races, the Atlanta Track Club 549 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: club gives us bibs so that when the next race 550 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 4: comes in that we want a race in, they'll give 551 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 4: us like twenty five bibs and we can give those 552 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 4: out to the members to go run in the race. 553 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 4: And some of them are like phenomenal, Like some of 554 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 4: these runners are like phenomenal in some of these members. 555 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: And so one of the things we do. 556 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: Really homeless people that are like really good runners. 557 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Yeah, some of them are unbelievable. 558 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: Don't you wonder when you have that talent nobility, how 559 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: did you end up here? You know what what trauma 560 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: must of you endured when you're a talented person and 561 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: you end up there. I mean it's heartbreaking, really it is. 562 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 4: And I can't remember the guests you had on maybe 563 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 4: two or three weeks ago that was talking about some 564 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 4: of the advice he got from his uncles, which was 565 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 4: like really bad advice about getting multiple girls pregnant. And 566 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 4: so I mean, if that's the advice you're getting and 567 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 4: that's the environment you're in, you know, you just get 568 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 4: caught up in it, and you know it's really hard 569 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 4: to break out of it. So again, that's that's why 570 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 4: I try to quit doing that, which is what I 571 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 4: would do before, Like. 572 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: Those preconceived conscripts, you just that doesn't even matter. 573 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. 574 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 4: It doesn't licious work from how forward. So when we 575 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 4: volunteer at the at the race, one of the things 576 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: back on my feet is said, hey, for the last 577 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: runner in the race, as they're going progressing through the course, 578 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 4: volunteers will get behind that runner and encourage them. 579 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: To get jog alongside it to get to the finish line. 580 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: Most of the time they're walking, yeah, but still but still. 581 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 4: And so you know, we're at this race, it's a 582 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 4: five k and this person's so slow that by the 583 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 4: time we get to the to the place where the 584 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 4: finish line is like they're taking down the tents and 585 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 4: stuff like that. Because this you know, person's really slow. 586 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 4: But here's a here's a woman that is running in 587 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 4: the you know, in this race, and she's coming across 588 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 4: the finish line and she's got forty people behind her, 589 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 4: like yelling her name, like giving her encouragement, Like the 590 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 4: EMT's coming by and saying, hey, do we need to do? 591 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: I need to take you out? 592 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: Are you okay? 593 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: And she's like, nope, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna 594 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: make it. 595 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: I got all these people behind me like I'm gonna 596 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 4: make it. I'm gonna make it. And then she gets 597 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 4: across the finish line and in that race, they gave it. 598 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 4: It's a north Side women's race, so they gave her 599 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 4: a rose and they gave her a metal and like 600 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 4: she was beaming and all that kind of stuff, and 601 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 4: it was just like it was just it was unbelievable 602 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 4: to like be able to do something like that and 603 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 4: be a part of something like that. 604 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: You have to wonder if she's ever in her life 605 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: felt that kind of support and love. You have to 606 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: wonder if she's ever felt that. Yeah, and if she's 607 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: ever finished anything what a life experience. 608 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guarantee if if she hadn't had, you know, 609 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 4: that support behind her, and basically all these people saying, hey, 610 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 4: you can't stop or turn back, you know, and even 611 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 4: at some point like volunteers are like interlacking arms with 612 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 4: her and you know, things like that, she wouldn't have finished. 613 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: She'd probably just walked off. 614 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: And oh, so you're saying that people without support oftentimes 615 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: can't finish, so metaphorically, maybe that is exactly how some 616 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: of these people end up in situations. One one person 617 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: asked me a very simple question, Darren Babcock Bantan Farms 618 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: in Dallas. He said, this, could you be who you 619 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: are or have done what you've done ever if you 620 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: had never had access to credit? Something so simple like that. 621 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: And I have thought about that a lot and answers no, Well, 622 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: how can someone who doesn't have somebody behind them, that 623 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: comes out of foster care, ages out and has absolutely 624 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: nobody to support them, to encourage them to lock arms 625 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: with them when they're struggling, to give them an opportunity 626 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: for credit to be able to buy a car or 627 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: get an apartment. Where else do we expect them to 628 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: end up when they don't have that support behind them? 629 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: And so many people in this life that are alone 630 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: end up at homeless shelters and places like that because 631 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: they have aged out of foster care or come from 632 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: very dire circumstances. And metaphorically, I think the story you 633 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: just told is a beautiful illustration of exactly what we're 634 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: talking about here. That is, if you do join arms 635 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: for the folks and you do support them, and they 636 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: do feel like they have an army of people pushing 637 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: them on and encourage them to finish and get across 638 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: the finish line, they can reach things that maybe they 639 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: even thought they never could do. 640 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 4: A lives change, Yeah, can you give you one more 641 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 4: little nugget I place? Yeah, So I was, we were 642 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 4: back on my feet, had a race, and I went 643 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 4: by the Salvation Army and pick up a couple, pick 644 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 4: up the guys. 645 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: To take them to the race because it was a 646 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 2: little bit farther away. 647 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 4: Ended up with just this one gentleman and we raced. 648 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 2: He did a great job as his first race. 649 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 4: And then we're driving home and he's like, hey, you know, 650 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 4: I just got my first paycheck from this job, and 651 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 4: I'm not sure what to do about cashing it. And 652 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 4: I was like, well, don't go to a check cash 653 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 4: place or a look or store right right. I was like, 654 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 4: go to the you can go to a Kroger or 655 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 4: you know, you can go to a grocery store and 656 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 4: they'll cash it for you. They're not going to take 657 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 4: a chunk out of it and everything like that. And 658 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 4: he was like, okay, great, you know, I'll do that afterwards. 659 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 4: And then I saw him at a at a group run, 660 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 4: you know, later, and I was like, Hey, did you 661 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,479 Speaker 4: cast your check? And everything is, oh, yeah, you guys 662 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 4: now have a bank account and it's automatically being deposited 663 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 4: in my bank account, so I don't have to do 664 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 4: the check anymore and all that kind of stuff. 665 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: So just like that, he didn't even know where to 666 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: cash a check, right, So the financial illiteracy, But why 667 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: would he have any financial literacy if he never had 668 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: an example of it in his life? And we will. 669 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: I can remember the derogatory comments about well, yep, there 670 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: they go first one to the liquor store there and 671 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: they're cashing, they're checking the liquor store. They're getting tempera 672 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: taken out of it, and wow, that is so stupid. 673 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: Don't they know any better? And no, they don't know 674 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: any better, and shame on you for degrading them instead 675 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: of taking the time to teach them and to serve 676 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: them and to help them. Has that small, little, itty 677 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: bitty hurdle to understand just the basics of interest and 678 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: cost and things like that that happens all day, every 679 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: day in our country. And the government's not going to 680 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: fix that, and the people on CNN are not going 681 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: to fix that. But you and I we can fix that. 682 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: We can teach that, and I think it's another beautiful 683 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: example of exactly what we're talking about. My friend Michael 684 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: and Sherry y'all are clearly a team. Back on my Feet, 685 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: sleep in Heavenly peace Care Portal, big Al Gosh, you 686 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: got to hook up with a big al, trust me, 687 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: it's worth the time. Uri and the superhero Redemption inc 688 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: Isaiah one seventeen House and the Cuban lady who goes 689 00:37:52,880 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: shopping every two weeks, all born from uh just kind 690 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: of tuning in and listening to an army of normal 691 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: folks and becoming a member. And we had to share 692 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: your story because of all the emails you've sent us, 693 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: and we know there's more of you out there, and 694 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: the whole idea behind this is to encourage everybody listening 695 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: that Michael Lignis is just an average everyday Guy's got 696 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: a family and a life and struggles just like all 697 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: of us. But he's been inspired by the show to 698 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: involve himself in a number of things that have been 699 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: highlighted on the show. But most importantly, you're an inspiration 700 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: to us because you are exactly who we're trying to 701 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: reach and grow minions of. Because I do believe, with 702 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 1: everything I am, minions of you change this country. 703 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 2: Michael, Well, thank you. I appreciate it. 704 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 4: It's been an awesome experience and I can't wait for 705 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 4: the future. 706 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: Well, one last thing. We always pay for our guests 707 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 1: to fly in and put up in the hotel lodging, 708 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't even take that, you you. You said, nope, 709 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm buying my own tickets that I'll find my own lodging. 710 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: I don't want to take the money from the show. 711 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: You use it to make other shows. Incredibly thoughtful and 712 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: giving heart, and we we thank you for that as well. 713 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: My friend, Sure, thanks for being here absolutely, Sherry, thanks 714 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: for being with us, and thank you for joining us 715 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: this week. If Michael or other guests have inspired you 716 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: in general or better yet, to do like he has 717 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: done and to take action. Please let me know I 718 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: really want to hear about it. You can write me 719 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: anytime at Bill at normal Folks dot us, and I 720 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: swear to you I will respond. If you enjoyed this episode, 721 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm begging you share it with friends that are on 722 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: social Let folks know about us, subscribe to the podcast, 723 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: rate and review it. Join the army at normalfolks dot us. 724 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: Please consider becoming a Premium member like Michael. All of 725 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: these things that will help us grow an army of 726 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: normal folks thanks to our producer, Iron Like Labs. I'm 727 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 1: Bill Courtney. I will see you next week.