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Speaker 1: All Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Better Offline. I'm ed Zetron. This is a

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Speaker 2: weekly tech podcast where I break down the ways in

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Speaker 2: which the tech industry, and in particular big tech, is

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Speaker 2: trying to change the future for better or for worse.

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Speaker 2: And in the case of Apple, a company worth nearly

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Speaker 2: three trillion dollars, it's a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: You see.

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Speaker 2: It took me fifteen minutes and two restarts to try

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Speaker 2: and rename the title of the script. I'm currently reading

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Speaker 2: you the Vision Pro, Apple's latest device and their first

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Speaker 2: real new computer since the iPad, released in early February

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Speaker 2: of this year, and it's a three five hundred special

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Speaker 2: computer which, to quote Apple's marketing literature, you navigate simply

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Speaker 2: with your eyes, hands and voice. This device refused. It's

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Speaker 2: time and time again to let me select the part

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Speaker 2: of the document in Google Dogs that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: look and point and grab. Theoretically, I was meant to

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Speaker 2: look at it with my eyes and then it would

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Speaker 2: go to the place I wanted it to go, and

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Speaker 2: then I'd tap my fingers and then I'd select it

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Speaker 2: and then type things in. That's not what happens. You

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Speaker 2: can probably guess. I assumed at first that this was

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Speaker 2: potentially due to a poor fit. So I pulled the

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Speaker 2: vision Pro off my head, I adjusted the strap, I

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Speaker 2: put it back on, and I saw nothing, only the

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Speaker 2: vision Pro showing me the world around me. No menus,

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Speaker 2: nothing was projected on the one thing this device was

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Speaker 2: meant to do it was not doing. This is a

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Speaker 2: bug that's happened to me at least five different times,

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Speaker 2: and this entire experience is indicative of what the vision

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Speaker 2: Pro is simultaneously the single most interesting and annoying piece

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Speaker 2: of technology ever made. Practically speaking, the vision Pro is

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Speaker 2: a head worn computer that attaches eye with a single

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Speaker 2: band rap called the solo band, which adjusts with a

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Speaker 2: little wheel. It kind of goes around the back of

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Speaker 2: your head and you turn it to tighten it, or

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Speaker 2: the dual loop band, which adjusts with two extremely basic

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Speaker 2: velcro straps. It feels very unapple, but it works. The

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Speaker 2: headset itself features a big sheet of glass and metal

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Speaker 2: with a series of cameras and sensors for measuring the

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Speaker 2: space around you, letting you see the world through pass

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Speaker 2: through technology. This is a fancy way of saying that

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Speaker 2: there are cameras that show your surroundings and it's pretty

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Speaker 2: good perspective wise. It feels realistic. You can grab a drink,

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Speaker 2: you can pet a cat, as I have many times.

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Speaker 2: Inside there's even more cameras and there's two four k

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Speaker 2: O lead screens that's organic LED kind of see it

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Speaker 2: in fancy high end TVs, particularly ones by LG. And

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Speaker 2: these OLED screens are how you see the vision pros

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Speaker 2: operating system, which is projected onto the world in front

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Speaker 2: of you, and the thing that actually blocks out the

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Speaker 2: light around you, that actually puts the vision Pro against

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Speaker 2: your face close enough so it works. It's called a

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Speaker 2: light seal and it clips on with a bit of

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Speaker 2: magnets and it's strange. It's really weird and it kind

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Speaker 2: of works, but not regularly enough for me to recommend.

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Speaker 2: One would think you could just buy this thing, and

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Speaker 2: you'd be incorrect. You can't just order a vision Pro no, no,

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Speaker 2: no no. You have to have an iPhone or an

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Speaker 2: iPad with face ID, which is the scanner that allows

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Speaker 2: you to unlock your phone or your iPad and you

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Speaker 2: scan your face before you can order it so that

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Speaker 2: they can tell you the right size light seal face rest,

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Speaker 2: which is the little cushion that goes inside the light

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Speaker 2: seal and headstrap. Now you're probably hearing this and thinking, man,

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Speaker 2: I hope they don't get that wrong, and you're completely

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Speaker 2: right to worry about that. My first scan gave me

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Speaker 2: a light seal that didn't really seem right, so I

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Speaker 2: scanned it again a day later and got a larger

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Speaker 2: light seal, which costs three hundred dollars. This sucks, and

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Speaker 2: it's the least Apple experience I've ever seen. It's the

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Speaker 2: hallmark of a product rushed out without any real planning

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Speaker 2: or thought. I had to scrape through Reddit to find

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Speaker 2: out what to do with this thing, and apparently there

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Speaker 2: is a way of swapping this. I cannot find anything

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Speaker 2: from Apple themselves about doing so. Nevertheless, you scan, you

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Speaker 2: tell it if you have any vision issues, You tell

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Speaker 2: it if you need optical inserts, and then you provide

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Speaker 2: them with your prescription if you do, and then you

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Speaker 2: order the bloody thing three and a half thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: And that's just for starters, two hundred and fifty six

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Speaker 2: gigabytes of memory in there, going all the way up

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Speaker 2: to one terror byte, approaching four thousand dollars. When you

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Speaker 2: get the device. It isn't small, but it definitely isn't

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Speaker 2: you can definitely feel it on there. The solo strap,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, is useless. It's uncomfortable, it does not

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Speaker 2: hold it on right, but the dual strap is actually

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Speaker 2: pretty good. Nevertheless, it took me about half an hour

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Speaker 2: make it actually feel right. But when you get there,

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Speaker 2: it kind of just works. It's different from every other

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Speaker 2: and it powers on sort of. The initial setup of

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Speaker 2: the Vision Pro requires you to look at your hands,

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Speaker 2: then look at several colored spots hanging in the ether

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Speaker 2: all around your vision, and you tap with your fingers,

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Speaker 2: which you can see with the cameras on the outside

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Speaker 2: of the device. Once that's done, you're presented with a

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Speaker 2: slate of pretty familiar apps, messages, notes, email, and so

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Speaker 2: When I say you're presented or you see these apps,

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Speaker 2: what I actually mean is the Vision Pro projects these

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Speaker 2: onto the world around you. They are it's almost as

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Speaker 2: if they're physically there, but they're not really. It's all

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Speaker 2: computer magic. The screen is sharp, the text is smooth,

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Speaker 2: a satisfying pop when you look at them, because that's

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Speaker 2: how you really navigate this device. So you look at

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Speaker 2: an icon, you tap your fingers and then that opens

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Speaker 2: at I don't know, a Google doc like the one

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at right now, and you pinch and you

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Speaker 2: hold your fingers and then you move them up and down.

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Speaker 2: It feels kind of cool. And this is all done

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Speaker 2: look at your eyes using cameras inside the device. Theoretically speaking,

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Speaker 2: you can just use this device with your hands and eyes. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: the world's your desktop. You open Safari, messages, whatever else.

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Speaker 2: You move those windows around by pinching them, and say

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Speaker 2: You can have a theoretically infinite desktop space. You can

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Speaker 2: This all sounds quite weird when you're in the experience,

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Speaker 2: it's quite accurate. When it works. It's genuinely magical. It's

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Speaker 2: things around. It feels satisfying, it feels futuristic. Apple has

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Speaker 2: that anyone can use. It's really exciting when it works. Sadly,

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Speaker 2: that's a load bearing when now you may be hearing

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Speaker 2: all this and saying, wow, that sounds amazing. Moving things

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Speaker 2: around with my hands and my eyes. How innovative. But

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Speaker 2: what if I need to write an email. The first

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Speaker 2: thing to realize about the vision pro is that has

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Speaker 2: the single worst keyboard I have used on a modern

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Speaker 2: consumer device. And remember, Apple once made a keyboard so

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Speaker 2: class action lawsuit, of course, talking about the Butterfly keyboard

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Speaker 2: really sucked and cost Apple millions to settle. And that keyboard, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean compared to the Vision Pro, that thing's a

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Speaker 2: bloody masterpiece. The Vision Pro's keyboard is so poorly devised,

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Speaker 2: so horribly executed, and so offensively unfit for the task

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Speaker 2: that I cannot understand how this device was allowed to

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Speaker 2: that Steve Jobs himself once said he did not like.

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Speaker 2: And that's why MacBooks don't have touch screens. It's ill

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Speaker 2: suited for tasks where you need to precisely select something

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Speaker 2: from a densely packed group of things. It's awkward, it's ugly,

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Speaker 2: it does not work, and it's astonishing that this device

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Speaker 2: they should not have put the vision Pro out into

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Speaker 2: thing or Siri, a voice based assistant, which, as you

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Speaker 2: plus replacement for the written word. Anyone with a strong

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Speaker 2: whole experience. One might think, of course, now that I

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Speaker 2: are where you go, you type away, and you'd be

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Speaker 2: like fifty to seventy five percent correct. Look, if I

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Speaker 2: That's not what Tim Cook did. Look for reasons I

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Speaker 2: cannot ascertain the vision pro treats Bluetooth keyboards unlike any

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Speaker 2: other device, acting with abject surprise in its existence. You'll

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Speaker 2: turn this thing on, connect it, and suddenly blue lines

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Speaker 2: will appear on random things on the bar, on safari,

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Speaker 2: on a textbox in messages, and it isn't obvious what

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Speaker 2: you'd think, Okay, this is going to put me in

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Speaker 2: to do, and at times it completely freaks out. You'll

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Speaker 2: and selecting different parts or unselecting the place where you

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Speaker 2: are currently typing. My theory is that the vision pro

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Speaker 2: is still tracking your hands as I mentioned it does

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Speaker 2: Apple's engineers did not consider the fact that people use

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Speaker 2: their hands to type on keyboards. Writing in a Google

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Speaker 2: document as I am reading off of now, as billions

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Speaker 2: of people do every day. One of the Web's most

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Speaker 2: common tasks is an exercise in frustration. Sometimes the vision

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Speaker 2: pro will arbitrarily decide that I need to move the

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Speaker 2: might do on literally any device from the last twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it will open the software keyboard while I'm typing

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Speaker 2: on the hardware keyboard, getting in the way, physically blocking

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Speaker 1: Really that was the you know, I enrolled my face.

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Speaker 1: week I had it, I really couldn't show it to

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Speaker 1: anyone that was part of the agreement with Apple, and

435
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: couldn't really let other people wear it. And then after

436
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: the bargo broke and we were able to start sharing this,

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00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: I had a lot of colleagues want to test it out.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm convinced that's how I actually got sick,

439
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: because they were all breathing in my face computer and

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00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: when you put it on them, like you can definitely

441
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: see this thing does not fit them right. It's mostly men,

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00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: and they have big heads and you know literally and figuratively,

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00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: and they and they come out of like the demo

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Speaker 1: that I've done with them with like a giant red

445
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Speaker 1: stripe on their head, like it looks like they've gone

446
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: scuba diving.

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00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 3: And I don't have that. I just don't have that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in the initial hands on I did with

449
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Speaker 1: Apple in June at WWDC, I actually did have that.

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Speaker 1: I had that like red mark across my forehead and

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00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, thinking back on it, it was probably because

452
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: they hadn't figured out the fitting situation.

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Speaker 2: So when I got mine, I had a horrible experience

454
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: my foot four or five days with it. I scanned

455
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: with the app of five in the morning and the

456
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: day you order it and scam my face and it

457
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: gave me twenty one W. I then immediately was checking

458
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: like Reddit and people were saying, oh, I got that.

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00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is right. And then when

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00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: it came out I put it on, I'm like, this

461
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: is not this does not feel right. So I got

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Speaker 2: a twenty three W based on a reddit post, and

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Speaker 2: I just every so often I'd put it on and

464
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't feel right. It wasn't be in focused, the

465
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: eye tracking wasn't working. I just assumed it sucked. And

466
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: then scraping through reddit more, I found someone else with

467
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: the same size situation. They said, oh, by the N

468
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: cushion size, and it was night and day. And it

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Speaker 2: just feels to me like this is a massive supply

470
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Speaker 2: chain issue that Apple is not considering.

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Speaker 1: Or is it that they got the sizing wrong when

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Speaker 1: you first did it?

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Speaker 2: But that's what I mean. Though, it's the supply chain

474
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: of the actual scan. It almost feels like they should

475
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Speaker 2: not be relying on it. I don't know if you've

476
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: heard of anyone else. I'm not even trying to load

477
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: a question here. Have you heard of anyone else having

478
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: this problem?

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Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't. I mean that's good.

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00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean, so, you know, and they have the two

481
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Speaker 1: and so it was the it's the light seals what

482
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Speaker 1: you're saying, the difference.

483
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Speaker 2: The light seal and the light seal cushion cushion.

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00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, and I have two cushions because or

485
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: maybe everyone gets two cushions, but they say you should

486
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Speaker 1: use the bigger light seal cushion if you plan to

487
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Speaker 1: use the lenses, the.

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Speaker 3: Prescription lenses. I don't know if I have those.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I also only got one one cushion with

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Speaker 2: mine when I bought it.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually think that I had the extra cushion

493
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Speaker 1: because I had the lenses too, right, which is a

494
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Speaker 1: little comfier.

495
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Speaker 2: But and the thing is, when it's working now, it's great,

496
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: But I feel like the real elephant in the room

497
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: is the keyboard. The keyboard is just astonishingly bad. Yeah, yeah,

498
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: I Steve Jobs. I'm surprised he didn't come out of

499
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: the grave like an angry zombie over this one. It's awful.

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00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I assume it's a place that they're definitely looking.

501
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: How do we make a typing experience better there?

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00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: I think that, like, you know, could they with swiping,

504
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: you know, sort of the swipe inputs.

505
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: Like gesturing in the air almost exactly?

506
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: Would that be better? Probably?

507
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Right, It's just so weird because the experience feels cool.

508
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: But then you get to the common way of entering

509
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: text into stuff, which is very common and that you

510
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: should be able to do on anything, and it's just

511
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: it almost doesn't feel like an Apple product.

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00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: I know, and you like, I don't know if you've

513
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: had this too, where it's like you can't touch type

514
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: on that right, so you want to like looked out.

515
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: You have to look at this virtual keyboard, but then

516
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: you're looking up to see where your text is going

517
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: in and is it going right. And they have like

518
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: a little thing above the keyboard where you can see

519
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: the text as it's typing out.

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00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: But it's it's all of this. It's just not natural.

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00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: And I even showed in my videos like thank god

522
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: for a real keyboard, and you compare it with Bluetooth,

523
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: so it's like the killer accessory for this is actually

524
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: a you know, ninety nine dollars keyboard that I was

525
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: going to sell you.

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00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: One thing I loved in your review is when you

527
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: said you can have all of this for lo lolo

528
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: price of what five thousand dollars and yet the MacBook

529
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: throw the keyboard, this and that is it just feels

530
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: like the experience is not complete without that keyboard.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, yeah, I agree, I agree.

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00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's fine if you're like going

533
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: to just type in one show, right and you're like, Okay,

534
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: let me go to Netflix and type in beef. That's fine,

535
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: or you can use voice to do that. But when

536
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: you are really trying to do something in there, like

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00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: you're trying to type an email or you're I've been.

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00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: Doing a lot.

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00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: I've actually been writing like a ton of stuff. I've

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00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: been riting in there.

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Speaker 2: I wrote the four thousand words script for the full

542
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: episode on the Vision Pro. I can't write on a

543
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: laptop sitting down. I have to be at to desk

544
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: otherwise my rat brain doesn't focus properly. But I was

545
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: able to sit on the couch and right this just

546
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: sitting there, and that's remarkable. I find the focus parts remarkable.

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00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: I think that's and some people have been remarking about

548
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: this on social media and various thing pieces. But the

549
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: irony of this being the killer computing platform for just

550
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: two D basically notes or documents, right like, yeah, that's

551
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: what we have gotten. The future is actually just big

552
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: floating documents in our sky.

553
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: Well to that point, do you think that this or

554
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: a device like this is the future.

555
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: So, I mean, look, that's where I kind of took

556
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: my review, and now I've had some distance from it.

557
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: And been able to reflect and again also just thinking

558
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: about where is this going to fit into our lives?

559
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: That that was the number one thing I wanted to

560
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: answer in this review is, Okay, they've made this crazy

561
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: piece of technology. How are we going to use it

562
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: in our daily lives?

563
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: And it just.

564
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: Seems natural, especially when we have these new pieces of tech,

565
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, whether it was the iPhone or smartphones or tablets,

566
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: et cetera, Like we're going to try to do the

567
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: things that we did on other devices first, right, that

568
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: makes sense, Right, We're going to try to work on it,

569
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: We're going to try to watch TV and videos on it,

570
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: like we've been trying to do that with all of

571
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Speaker 1: our personal tech. And so when it comes to like

572
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: changing those things, sure, but like the future for me

573
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: and those things, like we are still going to have

574
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: a good future writing documents on our computers, right, Like

575
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: the whole entire AI.

576
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: Vision right now is to make that easier, working easier.

577
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: So what I was trying to really look at is like,

578
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: we're going to be the things that are just going

579
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: to break out of the mold of the current things

580
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: we do on these devices, and where will it be better?

581
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: And this is where I kind of got into this

582
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: cooking situation which has gone viral and you know now.

583
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Speaker 2: Oh with and just just for listeners if you haven't

584
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: seeing Joanna's review, she is able to place with the

585
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: vision pro, you're able to place timers above things. So

586
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: while cooking she made it what was a pasta dish?

587
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I believe, yes, yes, And so this has become the

588
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: running joke like, well, did you not know you could

589
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: also set multiple timers on your phone?

590
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: And did you not know?

591
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: And Colbert is you could maybe pipe the audio in here.

592
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: He's now being making fun of me on his late

593
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: night show saying, well, what else would you do by

594
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: two ovens?

595
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: I think Colbert needs to not throw so many stones

596
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: in glasshouses with how deeply unfunny Midnight is. But that's

597
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: a separate podcast. I think that that whole thing has

598
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: really annoyed me as well, not because I'm particularly defensive

599
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: of Apple, but it's like, if you're going to do

600
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: that kind of thing about a new device, there are

601
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: so many that you could have sat with the Oculus

602
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: quest and done the same thing. Oh I get Oh

603
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: I can work out while wearing a headset. Well, I

604
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: can also do that without anything, I can just do

605
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: jumping jacks. You can make that kind of thing. Sure,

606
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: And actually, here's a good question. Do you think that

607
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: this is going to make people more antisocial? Because that

608
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: feels like the weird meme I'm seeing. It's like, oh,

609
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: this is shutting people off from the world.

610
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Yes, so just let me finish it. Answering the first

611
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: one because I felt like I didn't do it great. No,

612
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: it's my fault. I was going on now, But my

613
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: point in that review, and maybe I haven't articulated this well.

614
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of analysis of the review, which

615
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: thank you everyone for spending time reviewing the review. But

616
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: the point was to show things that that aren't the

617
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: typical things, the things that could bring this into the

618
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: future and that actually make things better and change the

619
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: way we use these devices.

620
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: And I felt.

621
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: That that situation with the cooking really illustrated it. Here

622
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: is a real life thing you're doing. It's better to

623
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: actually have this headset on than use your phone because

624
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to hold a phone, and cooking with

625
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: your holding a phone, or you know, even touching a

626
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: phone in the kitchen is a pain. Everyone knows that.

627
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: And on top of that, it was just blend. This

628
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: idea of blending the virtual with the real really really

629
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: stuck out to me there, like I have a physical thing.

630
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: It is this part of pasta. It is boiling, and

631
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: I see a digital interface over it. And I'm not

632
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: saying that he needs to be every use case, but

633
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: that is where I felt like, Okay, I can see

634
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: the future. So that is how I would try to

635
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: answer that, Yes, I think this is the future. We

636
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: still need to have the use cases and the apps

637
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: to prove out what those things are going to be.

638
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: The thing I and you kind of glanced at this

639
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: in the review, but I understand why this wouldn't have

640
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: come up, but it's it feels like the apps are

641
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: not there though, like very basic apps are not there,

642
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: YouTube being the obvious one. And there is, by the way,

643
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: a four ninety nine YouTube app that people are hyping

644
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: as a replacement. It's a goddamn web rapper that developers

645
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: should be kicked off the app store anyway, But like

646
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: Slack isn't there, Signal isn't there, Yep, very funny thing.

647
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: Slack is there, but they're there as an iPad app

648
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: and it's horrible.

649
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: The same it's horrible.

650
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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even have time in the review,

651
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: but like there was a couple of places when I

652
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: was cursing because you cannot select.

653
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the issue with putting the iPad

654
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: apps in.

655
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: They weren't they were created for touching, right, so you

656
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: actually when you're using the Slack app and the vision pro,

657
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: you want to bring it closer to you and then

658
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: actually tap in the air versus using the pincher, you know,

659
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: using the pinch gesture. But no, absolutely, And I look,

660
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: we've seen already momentum this week with YouTube saying they're

661
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: going to create and more apps coming, and chat gybt

662
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: announced like there's going to be some momentum and we're

663
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: going to get some of these apps. But what I'm

664
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: more interested in is like, what are these going to be?

665
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: These ideas of these apps that we don't have right

666
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: now that don't run our computers. I agree we have

667
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: to have those other ones, because hey, how do we

668
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: work in there if we don't have Slack?

669
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you work without Slack? It's impossible.

670
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm just joking.

671
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 1: I don't really I'm a major Slack user, but would

672
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: happily use anything else to work. So I think those

673
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: are those things will come with time. But on the

674
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: isolation thing, I think that's so. That is the number

675
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: one reason I have not picked it up more, and

676
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: I think might end up being part of you know,

677
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: what happens after this first wave of real big interest

678
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: is do you feel.

679
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: Like something I'd ever use around a person exactly?

680
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: And I live with a person. I don't. I don't

681
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: know about you. I love.

682
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I live with with my wife and I live

683
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: with two kids, so I live with like a lot

684
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: of things at a dog and there's a lot of

685
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: things going on in here. And I had this situation

686
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: this weekend. I was like, I'd love to watch another

687
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: episode of The Beef in here, but my wife is

688
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: sitting right here. I'm going to put this on on

689
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: the couch and she's going to do what right? And

690
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: then you start to think like dystopian, like, oh, what

691
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: if we both had them and we both sat here

692
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: with these on looking at the wall. Eh, I don't

693
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: even if that was an amazing experience, is that what

694
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: I want to do on Saturday night?

695
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: It feels very doesn't feel particularly intimate.

696
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: No.

697
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: No. When mine arrived, I was with my fiance and

698
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: I played with it, but I put a hard cap

699
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: on when I stopped because it felt strange using it

700
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: with another person around it just it felt very much

701
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: like rejecting anyone around me, like I even with passed

702
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: through it felt kind of strange.

703
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: Well, and the pass through thing, while they've done a

704
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: lot more than the others right to put some screen

705
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: on the front, like it's all kind of bullshit, like

706
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: nobody really knows that you're looking at them. If I

707
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: had like a dollar for every time I asked, Hey,

708
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: can you see my eyes in this?

709
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

710
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Right, Like that's the same thing, and the answer was

711
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: always no, right, the answer is always know and you're

712
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: constantly asking. It's just like, please stop asking me if

713
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: I can see your eyes?

714
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: Like the persona thing is awful? Is I just why

715
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: bother with that? I don't know what they were thinking, king,

716
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: I know that it's this to describe for the listeners,

717
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: it's you scan your face using the vision Pro and

718
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: it spits out a three D clone of your face

719
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: that is not flattering, I should add, yeah, and it

720
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: mimics your facial actions. If someone FaceTime videos you during

721
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: your use of the vision Pro, I just don't I

722
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: know why they did it, but they shouldn't have.

723
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.

724
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: Look, I hit on this really hard in my review

725
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: because I had not laughed so hard. I don't remember

726
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: the last time I laughed so hard. When I saw

727
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: my persona, I couldn't. I was like crying of laughter.

728
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: I think it's the funniest thing I've ever seen. It

729
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: just doesn't look like me. And then I would call

730
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: people and they would be laughing, and they would say,

731
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: never call me again looking like this, like, and maybe

732
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: mine was worse than others.

733
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: It seems like to be the case.

734
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I have no neck in mine. I will refuse

735
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: to show it to anyone.

736
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, most people look bad. I just

737
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: look like I look terrible. I'm another level of bad

738
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: in mine.

739
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: So it makes me look so I used to be

740
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: about one hundred pounds heavier than I currently am about

741
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: buck ninety right now. It makes me look like I

742
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: weigh three hundred pounds, which is not great for myself esteem,

743
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: I should add. But it also looks strange. Yeah, it

744
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: looks very weird.

745
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: It looks strange and like and look, there's a lot

746
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: about they didn't want to go the root of what

747
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: Meta had done, which make us look like cartoons.

748
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: So they're trying to make us.

749
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: Look more realistic and maybe eventually they get there. And

750
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: they clearly they've slapped the beta label on there just

751
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: to make it clear, like we are not.

752
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: Done building this thing.

753
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: I get why they couldn't ship without it, Like, how

754
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: are you going to ship we've just been I actually.

755
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: Can answer that memoji. The memoji works fine. No one

756
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: is going to expect you to do a video call

757
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: well wearing this buddy thing. So do the memoji make

758
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: it fun?

759
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: I agree, I you know, and that's there for the taking.

760
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: Like our iPhones already have memojis that are like mapped

761
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: to our face.

762
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: Like it works.

763
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: I think they didn't want to go to the root

764
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: of Meta, like they didn't want to be competing with

765
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: like Mark Zuckerberg cartoon face, you know.

766
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: Like the irony is that they also released an incomplete

767
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: product that kind of sucks. So who's laughing now, probably

768
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerbuck I don't know.

769
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Right, but I mean, look, on the other hand, we

770
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: just spent ten minutes talking about working in this thing,

771
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: so how are you going to release a device for

772
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: working in this day and age where you should be

773
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: working at your home office and you can't video call

774
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: on it, like you have to have to have something.

775
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: I I don't know. I find the whole thing quite confusing.

776
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: I think you could even just have a still image

777
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: of the person that would do the same job.

778
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: That's true, I don't I don't know why they didn't

779
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: do that.

780
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: So I only got two more questions for you. Do

781
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: you think that Apple rushed this out? No?

782
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: And yes, did they rush this particular version out? No?

783
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: It actually like it works really well, right like, there

784
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: are some small bugs and I'm sure maybe I don't know.

785
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: Selecting on like even Google Docs is extremely broken. Basic

786
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: things like that don't.

787
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: Feel like but that's not so that's where that's a

788
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: design issue, right like that, that's can you navigate the

789
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: whole web with this the way.

790
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: This is designed?

791
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: The only reason I push back on that is you're right,

792
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: the whole web, but Google Docs what billions of uses?

793
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: It just feels The reason I ask is because to me,

794
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: at least, it feels rush because they didn't do their

795
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: due diligence without the developers keep going sorry.

796
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: But then there's the flip side of Hey, these developers

797
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: need to feel and I believe Google will come along

798
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: once they see, oh wow, look we're really seeing an

799
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: x amount of people for x amount of time working here.

800
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: We should probably do something. Right, Microsoft did it. Microsoft

801
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: has apps in there, They have all of almost all

802
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: of Microsoft three sixty five in there, so like they're

803
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: making a bet before it's ready. I think also Microsoft

804
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: has nothing to lose because they don't have their own

805
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: headset coming.

806
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: They've sort of abandoned that.

807
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Holo lens is kind of dead in the war.

808
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, look I think so.

809
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: But this particular version we all know this is you know,

810
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: this is the first generation. I've actually called it times.

811
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Is this negative one generation? Should we should this have

812
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: sort of been you know as people have called it

813
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: a dev kid and all of these things. It's certainly

814
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: not a mainstream product, right. The question, like really is

815
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: should they have waited five years?

816
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: Right?

817
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: And would Steve Jobs, as everyone's saying, would he have

818
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: waited the five years? Would you have said, Okay, we've

819
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: got this, so we can do this now, but we

820
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: need to wait five more years until we can slim

821
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: down this and we can make this and we can do.

822
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: This and that's actually my final question for you. How

823
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: do you think Steve Jobs would have done this?

824
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: I was asked this on another podcast. I think.

825
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about It's funny what you said before.

826
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, you put it on wrong, and or you

827
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: didn't put it on wrong, but you had some issues

828
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: with it, right. And there's the famous Steve Jobs quote, you're.

829
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: Holding it wrong? Yeah right? And so Steve.

830
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: Jobs hated touch screens on laptops because he didn't like

831
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: poking the air.

832
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and here we are.

833
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: But like what he have said to you, you know,

834
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: you're you're wearing it wrong again, and to me too,

835
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'll put it on and it's like, yeah,

836
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's not aligned exactly to my eyes, and

837
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: so if I look at something, it's slightly off and

838
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: then I've got to like change it a.

839
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Little bit right, right?

840
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: And what have he have been okay with that? Would

841
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: he have said, Nope, We've got to wait. We've got

842
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: to wait a number more years to get this right,

843
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: to get all of these things right into a thing

844
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: that people would wear, or what if you looked at

845
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: it sort of like we've got to get it out there.

846
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: I don't know I don't feel like he was a

847
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: god to get it out that guy. It just feels

848
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: like a very different Apple experience. It lacks it's almost

849
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: fun in the way it lacks it. But when it's

850
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: I feel like, in a like it's kind of funny.

851
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: I guess it's not really fun, but it feels like. Also,

852
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: the format of the vision pro really emphasizes the problems

853
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 2: when something goes wrong in this environment. It's so claustrophobic.

854
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm. Well, and I think also what we know

855
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: to be true? And I think Neli Petell's review on

856
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: The Verge did a really good job of this is

857
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: what we know to be true? Is what Tim Cook

858
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: sees the vision of this being right. He sees a

859
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: vision of us really at augmented reality type of glasses

860
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: where we can see the real world in this digital

861
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: overlays are there, but to get there they had to

862
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: make a lot of sacrifices in the here and now.

863
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: And so now we have a VR headset that's trying

864
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: to function as an AR mixed reality headset, but it

865
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: really is a VR headset. And again, would Steve Jobs

866
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: have said, Nope, We're just going to wait till we

867
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: get there, we're gonna wait five years, We're gonna wait

868
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: ten years.

869
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, Joanna, thank you so much for joining

870
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: me anytime.

871
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 3: I'd love to see your persona soon.

872
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: Oh God, I will be hiding that from the world.

873
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: All of this comes together to just make it impossible

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00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: to recommend the Vision pro in its current form. It's

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00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: too expensive, its experience is too variable, the supply chain

876
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: and infrastructure to get this thing fitted is too thin,

877
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: and the developer community is just far too sparse. Without

878
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: a Bluetooth keyboard, it's claustrophobic, frustrating, and unproductive. With one,

879
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: it becomes a highly customizable and consistent desktop space that

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00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: I can pop up wherever I am the past through

881
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: feature gives me as much awareness as I needed the

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00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: world around me as i'd like, though not to the

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00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: extent i'd ever use it in public. I can move around,

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00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: I can close things and resize things with tiny gestures,

885
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: and when it works, it looks and feels very cool,

886
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: and it's far more natural than an iPhone or an

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00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: iPad or a magbook. I guess when it works, and

888
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: with the right fit, it's much much more consistent, looking

889
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: and pitching a menu options feels great, and you can

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00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: sweep and move through apps and website like a weird

891
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: little wizard. When it works, I have more space to

892
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: work with than my regular setup, which is a forty

893
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: eight inch curve gaming monitor on a massive L shaped desk.

894
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: But that's when it works. And if you're one of

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00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: the hundreds of thousands of people who bought this, perhaps

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00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: you're listening to this and thinking, oh, it's not meant

897
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: to be this bad, And it isn't. But how the

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00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: hell are you meant to know that? Because Apple certainly

899
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: hasn't tried to make that the case. Apple has not

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00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: put in the time, the energy, and the thought to

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00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: making this the launch it deserved to be. I truly

902
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: believe the Vision Pro could be something revolutionary. It needs

903
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: to be smaller, it needs to be two thousand, if

904
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: not two five hundred dollars cheaper, It needs to have

905
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: the apps. But when it works, it really is something new.

906
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: It is something I will be using a lot. It

907
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: is something that I think could change how we consider computing,

908
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: how we consider the spaces we work in and the

909
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: ways we work in them. And indeed, if Apple actually

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00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: respected their customers, if Apple had the love for their

911
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: customers that I believe they used to have, this wouldn't

912
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: be a problem. None of this would be And I

913
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: just don't think they care enough. And I can't say

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00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: it's worth three five hundred dollars despite its warts. I

915
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: really do plan on keeping my Vision Pro and I'm

916
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: going to use it a great deal, particularly when I'm traveling.

917
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: But for the price of a vision Pro, I can

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00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: get a brand new MacBook Era fifteen inch one, a

919
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: terror By iPhone and still have hundreds of dollars left

920
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: to spare. Well. I love the immersive nature of this

921
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: whole thing. There's nothing it does better, and there's plenty

922
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: of things it can't do at all. There are few

923
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: reasons why the Vision Pro should have shipped in such

924
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: terrible shape, other than the fact that Apple needed to

925
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: show double digit revenue growth to board investors. Apple has

926
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: done very little work to confirm that the very basic

927
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: parts of the Internet work with any reliability. Website that

928
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: you'd expect to be perfect, like Google Docs, like Google itself,

929
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: like Twitter, even are just not ready for this, and

930
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: Apple clearly didn't reach out to any of these providers

931
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: to make sure they did. The app ecosystem marvels the

932
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: iPhone app store when it first launched. The problems I've

933
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: experienced with the Vision Pro are annoying. They're frustrating. They're

934
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: getting a way of an experience I've really wanted to

935
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: enjoy and may indeed enjoy in the future, and it's

936
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: not clear if they're a result of bad quality control

937
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: or the limitations of hardware and software. It really isn't obvious,

938
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: but the problem here is pretty simple. The Vision Pro

939
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: is an intriguing and exciting look into the future, except

940
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: that future is one where a near three trillion dollar

941
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: tech firm ships US beta hardware with alpha software and

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00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,480
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00:47:52,520 --> 00:48:05,400
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