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Speaker 1: happy to have Chris Brown and it's an interesting Nate, Chris.

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Speaker 1: We've dodged bullets with weather for the first three weeks

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Speaker 1: With one more camp practice left tomorrow morning at eight

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Speaker 1: for former NFL quarterback long time better than quarterback, now

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, coach Leslie Frazier. Hello, coach, thank you, coming bye,

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Speaker 1: Thank you John, thanks for having me. You didn't get

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Speaker 1: seen in practice with Harrison, he's more than capable of

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Speaker 1: holding his own and obviously in college a tremendous job

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Speaker 1: there with with some of the things he accomplished. So

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Speaker 1: he's been really good for us in that regard. On Friday,

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Speaker 1: what kind of gamesmanship are you anticipating between your defensive

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Speaker 1: players and Tyrod? Oh? Boy? Um, I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: our players have a ton of respect for Tyrod and

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Speaker 1: what he accomplished here and and and and they love

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Speaker 1: a guy. So but I know when the when the whistle, uh,

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Speaker 1: when things kick off on Sunday, Um, I mean, everybody's

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Speaker 1: gonna get after them. Yeah, that's that's the game. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna be geeked up for the game,

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Speaker 1: and our guys will be pumped up as well, and hey,

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Speaker 1: we'll go out and play. You guys have to be

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Speaker 1: as accustomed to trying to chase down Tyrode there's any

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Speaker 1: defense in the league. Oh yeah, we we had our

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Speaker 1: moments trying to move around and catch up with him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's so elusive and uh can really do

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Speaker 1: a lot of things with his feet. So we've got

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way in the short time we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll see him to be able to corral him and

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Speaker 1: try to keep him in the pocket. But it should

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Speaker 1: be a fun night. Coach, you're luck here Friday night.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming by with us today. Stay dry today.

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Speaker 1: If you can't, I think it, stop raining, raining, stop raining,

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Speaker 1: Thanks coach. All right, thank you, guys. Coach Leslie Frasier,

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Speaker 1: the Bill's defensive coordinator. Stick around. We're just getting started

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Speaker 1: on the show One Bill's Live from Bill's training camp

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Speaker 1: and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bill's training Camp. John Murphy and Chris Brown.

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Speaker 1: Chris is in for Steve Tasker. It's One Bills live

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Speaker 1: here until three o'clock this afternoon. And again our thanks

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Speaker 1: to Bill's defensive coordinator Leslie Fraser for joining us in

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Speaker 1: the first segment of the show. The all schedule is

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Speaker 1: a little screwed up here, but we know now that

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Speaker 1: the Bills will be trying to practice anyway. This plan

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Speaker 1: is for them to get on the practice field at

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Speaker 1: four pm this afternoon. That practice closed to the public.

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Speaker 1: No more public viewing today. The final practice of training

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Speaker 1: camp coming up tomorrow eight forty five am. So that's

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Speaker 1: why we started the show with coach Frasier because he

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Speaker 1: just got out of the walk through today and he's

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Speaker 1: got work to do to get ready for the fourth Yes,

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Speaker 1: so they basically flipped it. And you know, as we

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Speaker 1: heard Coach Frasier say, murf, you know this schedule is

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Speaker 1: planned out in April's Yeah, they lay out this schedule

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Speaker 1: in April and it's tight. I mean there we're talking

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Speaker 1: like it's like a high school class day. You know,

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Speaker 1: remember going between classes, you had four minutes to get

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Speaker 1: from one classroom to the other before the bell rang.

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Speaker 1: It's not all that different here at training camp. So

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Speaker 1: when the weather compromises the schedule, it has a potential

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Speaker 1: to really compress things or screw things up completely and

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Speaker 1: cost you valuable practice time. So that's why they're trying

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Speaker 1: to get on the field later this afternoon, hoping they

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Speaker 1: can flip the walk through time with the practice time. Today.

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Speaker 1: The weather was a force to be reckoned with today

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Speaker 1: here in Rochester today. I know, I drove in from

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Speaker 1: Orchard Park and there was no rain at all in

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Speaker 1: Orchard Park. Rain started around Batavia and by the time

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Speaker 1: I got here this morning here in Rochester, the east

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Speaker 1: side of Rochester, it was a downpour. I mean to

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Speaker 1: talking about near record rainfall levels today. I know they're

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Speaker 1: still adding it up and they're not out of the

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Speaker 1: wood jet. The forecast calls for a chance of some

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Speaker 1: thundershowers later today, but yeah, the weather was not to

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Speaker 1: be trifled with here and the east side of Rochester

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Speaker 1: and down even further east into the Finger Lake, Seneca

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Speaker 1: Lake in particular, we're expecting a typhoon later. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that, but I'm telling you I saw pictures of

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Speaker 1: flooded areas around Seneca Lake. It's bad. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: bad here, and you know it's very wet here now,

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Speaker 1: but it's not raining, And I think that's why they

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Speaker 1: picked four o'clock, because I think they know at two

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Speaker 1: o'clock when they'd ideally like to get on the field,

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Speaker 1: it's still not going to be good. Right we could.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we hear rumbles of thunder here, so if

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Speaker 1: we if we just bail, it's because we're afraid of

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Speaker 1: the lightning and thunder. It could happen. Chris browns here

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Speaker 1: is that I wasn't briefed on that protocol. Where the

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Speaker 1: heck is that I didn't get that memo? Where's the

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Speaker 1: exit plan out? Do we have arrows or anything? I'm

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Speaker 1: just following somebody. Thunder and lightning. It's not safe for

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Speaker 1: any of us, especially our cameraman here, George, So is

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Speaker 1: it every Is it every man for himself here? Because okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: well I run faster than You'll be back here tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and we expect good weather tomorrow for the eight forty

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Speaker 1: five practice final training camp practice. Hard to believe, Chris,

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Speaker 1: isn't it The training camp is going to wrap up tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: I mean, no, you're gonna say no, I'm sick of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I get it, that's what you're saying. Yesterday's saying,

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Speaker 1: by the way, my wife was laughing at your comments

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Speaker 1: from yesterday about how, oh, we don't work as hard

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Speaker 1: as the players and coaches, but we worked pretty hard.

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Speaker 1: Mary thought that was hilarious. She's like, oh, really, Chris,

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Speaker 1: you're not working that hard as hard as the players

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Speaker 1: and coaches. Well, no, because you're not. Because I'm not

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Speaker 1: running around right. I thought that's not putting in an

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Speaker 1: eighteen hour day. My wife thought that was obvious. About

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven, my wife said it did not need

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Speaker 1: to be said that everybody understands it. Okay, well, good, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at least she's listening. Hey on the show today, we

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Speaker 1: got there. Yeah, we got a good show today. You

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Speaker 1: just said, Leslie Fraser, you're coming up at one o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Job was Scallion from WKBW TV Channel seven Sports director there.

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Speaker 1: He's been here every day at training camp. Will get

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Speaker 1: his view as training camp wraps up tomorrow and coming

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Speaker 1: up with two One of our favorite new favorite guests,

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Speaker 1: I might say, Dan Orlowski, who had a nice career

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Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback in the NFL, now doing some

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Speaker 1: football analysis work for ESPN, both college and pro. You

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Speaker 1: think he's a superstar in the making, don't you, dan

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Speaker 1: Orlowski at TV, So we'll be a network guy by

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Speaker 1: next year. I'll be shocked if he's not just the

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Speaker 1: way he's he's like that knew what You remember how

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Speaker 1: Romo took the league by storm with his analysis, you know,

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Speaker 1: basically saying what play was coming up? I mean he's

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Speaker 1: predicting the play that's coming because he knows what the

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Speaker 1: looks are. This guy's the same thing, and he had

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Speaker 1: some He had a great breakdown of Josh Allen's first

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Speaker 1: preseason game. I don't know if you watched this clip

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Speaker 1: that he did really smart analysis that I don't think

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Speaker 1: nine of the network analysts would catch or be able

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Speaker 1: to decipher and explain to the audience. He's really he's

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Speaker 1: really good. It's good he'll be with usaid too. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna keep getting him on the show until he gets

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Speaker 1: too big to be on our show anymore. Then you

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Speaker 1: could say, hey, remember remember the guy that gave you? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Danner Laski at two o'clock today, no practice today to

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Speaker 1: talk about yet, that'll be late this afternoon four o'clock

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Speaker 1: to schedule practice. But we do have bills to talk about,

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Speaker 1: including the Buffalo defense in light of just having the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinate. Here here our Twitter poll. Most people are

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Speaker 1: optimistic about the Buffalo defense and their prospects for the

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Speaker 1: upcoming season are a normal weekday partner Steve Tasker says

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Speaker 1: are going to be a top ten defense after being

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Speaker 1: twenty six in the league last year. Maybe he's right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but we want to know from you.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest reason for all the optimism about the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo defense in twenty eighteen. There are a number of

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Speaker 1: reasons to be optimistic. What do you put at the

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Speaker 1: top of that list? You can let us know on

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Speaker 1: the telephone line. The lines are open eight oh three

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Speaker 1: oh five fifty or toll free one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty, or you can tweet it

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Speaker 1: in at one Bills Live. The biggest reason for optimism

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Speaker 1: concerning the Buffalo Bills defense this year? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: We offer a few suggestions on our Twitter poll, and

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Speaker 1: right now, forty three percent of you say the addition

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Speaker 1: of Tremaine Edmonds is the biggest reason for optimism about

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo defense. Forty percent of you are pretty close

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Speaker 1: say the fact that it's the second year in the

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Speaker 1: defensive system. That's the biggest reason why the Bills defense

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Speaker 1: will be better. Ten percent of you have something else

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Speaker 1: in mine you are, especially the ones who want to

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Speaker 1: hear from on the telephone line. Seven percent of you

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Speaker 1: say the free agent edition star Lotulalay, Trent Murphy, Vonte Davis.

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Speaker 1: That would be the biggest reason for optimism. What do

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Speaker 1: you think give us a call? Eight three fifty toll

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Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: All of them significant developments when I'm going with second

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Speaker 1: year in the system, Chris. And that's why coming out

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Speaker 1: of the gate right away with coach Frasier, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask him about, you know, installation time, how much

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Speaker 1: you really having to install here at training camp. Certainly

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Speaker 1: they're going over a lot of the concepts they installed

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Speaker 1: on the defense last year, but I would think that's

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Speaker 1: going to really play well for the Bills defensively defected.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, most of the players returning on

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Speaker 1: defense know what they're doing, know what their roles are,

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Speaker 1: and probably feel pretty comfortable about passing it on to

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Speaker 1: some of the young guys. Right I'm I'm in the

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds boat and there's a couple of reasons why.

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Speaker 1: Number One, we saw this offense or this defense performed

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Speaker 1: last year with Preston Brown, who is a capable NFL linebacker,

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Speaker 1: but he's got to be in the right systems. He's

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Speaker 1: systems specific to get the most out of Preston Brown.

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Speaker 1: And I think it was evident to the front office,

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Speaker 1: US and the coaching staff that while he's certainly capable

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Speaker 1: of playing the position, he was never going to be

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Speaker 1: ultra productive in this defense from a playmaking perspective. Sure,

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Speaker 1: he led the team in tackles. He's sitting in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the defense, but he's not batting down passes,

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Speaker 1: making interceptions, sacking the quarterback, covering a tight end in

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Speaker 1: the slot. He's not doing any of those things because

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Speaker 1: he was not an ideal skill set fit for this

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Speaker 1: defense and what it requires of the middle linebacker. Tremade

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Speaker 1: Edmonds is a fit to a t maybe even better

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Speaker 1: than an ideal fit, because as we heard coach Fraser say,

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Speaker 1: he's such a ridiculous physical specimen that he is a rare,

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Speaker 1: rare talent. But just the fact that in the middle

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Speaker 1: of your defense you can put an ideal fit player

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Speaker 1: like Edmonds there, and the fact that he's mature beyond

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Speaker 1: his years and ready to run this defense. I kind

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Speaker 1: of like in it, and I hate drawing these parallels

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Speaker 1: all the time. But when did the Carolina defense really

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Speaker 1: take off. It took off after Keekley was in place

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Speaker 1: as the middle linebacker. That's when they went from being

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Speaker 1: a good defense to a great defense and then eventually

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Speaker 1: a conference champion defense. So for me, it's Edmunds. That's

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Speaker 1: what has me optimistic that this defense can take a

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Speaker 1: big step forward, you know, on the and I love Tremaine,

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Speaker 1: love everything about him, and I confess that once it

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Speaker 1: became apparent fairly early on that he was going to

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Speaker 1: be the guy in the middle and calling the defensive plays,

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Speaker 1: I got worried about that a little bit, but you

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Speaker 1: and coach Frasier talked about it. His physical characteristics. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's smart, Yes he's calling plays, Yes he's lining people up.

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Speaker 1: But above and beyond that, the plays he can make

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Speaker 1: just because of his size, his speed, length smarts, his lengths,

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Speaker 1: that's what's really going to be a boon for this defense.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not just the fact that he's learning

644
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: how to call the defenses, out. It's what he can

645
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: do physically that I kind of overlooked a couple of

646
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I mean, AJ McCarron is wary of throwing

647
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: the ball over the middle. Yeah, because Edmonds is sitting there.

648
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: If he's sees forty nine on the field, he's just

649
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: in practice for two weeks. He's hesitant to throw it

650
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: there because even if he tries to throw around him,

651
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: the guy takes two steps and he's got arms like

652
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: a condor. He's gonna knock the ball down or maybe

653
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: intercept it and go the other way. And that, you know,

654
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: that pass that you always see over the middle, in

655
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: that intermediate area where quarterbacks drop it over the linebacker

656
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and underneath the safety is harder from a you know,

657
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: a trajectory perspective, because when Tremaine puts his arm up

658
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: all the way up in the air, it's probably nine

659
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: feet up in the air, nine nine and a half feet.

660
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy. What do you think? And this is a

661
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to project a little bit that size

662
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: is important, that length and height is important. Is there

663
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: a downside at all to that? When it comes to

664
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: leverage taking an offensive lineman, perhaps making tackles do you

665
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: see any kind of downside him being that tall and

666
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: that long at that point? I mean, I suppose if

667
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: you've got to really break down in space. But he's

668
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: such a fluid athlete. If I mean, it's not like

669
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: he's six five and stiff, you know what I mean.

670
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: He's a loose athlete, really fluid. I mean, he can

671
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: break down in the drop of a hat. So I

672
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: really don't think it's an issue. And he runs like

673
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: a deer. Yeah. I mean they had McCoy on a

674
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: circle route in the first week of camp. He runs

675
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: a circle route out of the backfield and Tremaine is

676
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: running with him, and he's not even breaking a sweat.

677
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he's using trail technique, but he's right there.

678
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: And I mean Leshan took the route twenty yards down

679
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: the field and there is twenty yards down the field

680
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: with him. You're not throwing a Leshawn on that play

681
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: because he's got it blanketed. His size is impressive. And

682
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: I think I told task of the story first day

683
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: of the rookie Minicamp, going way back to May, I

684
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: stepped out of our office, looked at the field on

685
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: the inside the ad Pro Sports Training center. He stands

686
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: out right among that growth, thirty or so of the

687
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: tallest guys in the huddle. I was like, WHOA look

688
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: at the size of Tremaine, And then I thought, well,

689
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: it's only a bunch of rookies. First day of OTAs

690
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: I did the same thing and same saying, WHOA look

691
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: at the size of Tremaine. Now with the whole team,

692
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a monster. He's a scary thing.

693
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: And I know when we had his college coach on

694
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: the show here, he said it he hasn't even filled

695
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: out yet from like, you know, a musculature perspective. I

696
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: mean he's twenty. I mean he hasn't been in an

697
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: NFL offseason program for a full off season. I mean,

698
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: can you imagine him next year as a twenty one

699
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: year old after working with Siano and those guys all

700
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: off season in the conditioning program. I mean, he is

701
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: going to be strapped. I mean he's two fifty. Now,

702
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: what's he gonna be then? Like, oh my gosh, six

703
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: six pounds A lean muscle on that kid. Forget it.

704
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about Tremaine, but we want

705
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: to know from you all the optimism about the Buffalo

706
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Bill's defense this year. What's the biggest reason that's our

707
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Twitter poll, Forty three percent of you say for me

708
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: and Edmunds, forty percent of you say because it's the

709
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: second year of the defensive system. Seven percent of you

710
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: say it's free agent signings, ten percent of something else

711
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: in mine. Give us a call discuss eight oh three

712
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight by

713
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. We can discuss on the tweet

714
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: sheet as well. And Wandering Jack at the top of

715
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet says all of the above. Those are

716
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: the reasons he's optimistic. He says, Edmonds looks to be

717
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: his stud Davis, Murphy and Star. That's Vonte Davis, Trent

718
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: Murphy and Star Lootulalae ad veteran strength and presence. But

719
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: I have to if I have to pick one, I'll

720
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: say experience as a group in the second year of

721
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: McDermott's system allows them to perhaps open the defensive playbook

722
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: a bit more and show some more exotic looks. Do

723
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: you look for that? You look for big changes in

724
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: this defense, more exotic changes, because because coach Frasier isn't

725
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: a isn't a free free wheeler. No, it's really a

726
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: scheme guy. He doesn't blitz a whole lot, right he

727
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: If there's anything that he's known for, it's a heavy

728
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: rotation up front, you know, and he will sub on

729
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: the back end when he feels it's warranted. You know,

730
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: they are trying to work in this three safety look

731
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: with Raphael Bush. It's kind of like a somewhere between

732
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: a big nickel and a dime package, you know, where

733
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Bush is the third safety on the field and there's

734
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: only one linebacker out there. And Frasier was asked about

735
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: it at his press conference today and it was very

736
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: clear he didn't want to tip his hand. He said, well,

737
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: we're still looking at it. We don't know how much

738
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna use it. A name who knows. They may

739
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: only use it in three games, Raphael Bush, because I

740
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: also think the serend Neil has a role to play

741
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: in that maybe not this year, but not this year.

742
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: He's really but he's got the size to be the

743
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: bigg he does. He needs a lot of time on

744
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: the job and a lot of time in the film room.

745
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: His biggest issue was people think, oh, well he played

746
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State. That's why you know he's gonna need time.

747
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: That's not the issue. The issue is he was all

748
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: over the map. They had him at corner one year,

749
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: they had him at safety another year, they had him

750
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: at linebacker another year. When you have a college player

751
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: and he doesn't get to kind of make a home

752
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: at one position and then he gets up here to

753
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: the NFL level, I mean, the learning curve is like

754
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Mount Everest for a kid like that. So I think hopefully,

755
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, they just keep him locked in at the

756
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 1: safety position, which is where they've predominantly had him here

757
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: through camp. They leave him there and you know, hopefully

758
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: in due because the kids an athlete, I don't think

759
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: there's any question about that. And he's a good sized

760
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: athlete for the safety position, there's no question about that.

761
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna there's gonna be a lot

762
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: of study time for him, a lot of time in

763
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: the classroom before he gets up to speak or two

764
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: down the road. Let me take you back though, to

765
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier's defense. I don't look for them to blitz much,

766
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: and they didn't blitz much last year. Certainly they were

767
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: way down in sack numbers. They didn't produce a lot

768
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: of sacks, but there are other reasons for that. I

769
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: just don't think Frasier would play the blitz card in

770
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: order to get more pass rushes. His history says he doesn't.

771
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I think in the defense

772
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: is that he has run over the course of his career.

773
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's been outside the bottom ten

774
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: in the league in blitz percentage. He's usually the bottom

775
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: third of the league in blitz percentage as a defensive coordinator,

776
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: and I don't expect that to change. And with the

777
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: additions that they made Chief Lee Star Lotulala, and with

778
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: Jack Lawson showing that he looks like he's ready to

779
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: have a breakout type season, I think rushing with the

780
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: front four is going to happen more often than not.

781
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: Now when they do blitz, you know, more often than

782
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: not he likes bringing that slot corner off or will

783
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: bring a safety up to the line. Occasionally a center

784
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: blitz with a linebacker, and you can certainly do that

785
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: with Tremaine. He has pass rushing experience because he needs

786
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: to line him up on the edge at Virginia Tech.

787
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: And you also have Lorenzo you know who can kind

788
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: of double as a defensive lineman on an obvious passing down.

789
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: So I think he's certainly got enough to work with

790
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: if he feels he has to get a little bit exotic.

791
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: But when you see coached here Ling, the defensive line coach,

792
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: coaching this hands up emphasis when you're rushing the passer,

793
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: that leads me to believe that they're rushing front four

794
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: and if they can't get there, they're resorting to stuff

795
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: like that instead of sending a fifth or a sixth rusher,

796
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: change passing lanes, maybe get a knocked down. I'm telling you, Murph,

797
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a whole new part of Lawson's game. Yeah,

798
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: he's getting one or two of those every practice. He

799
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: had one in the first preseason game. And I mean

800
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: people can make fun of it all they want. All

801
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I know is if you get one of those on

802
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: third down, you're off the field, just like you are

803
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: with a sack. I like it. I like the emphasis.

804
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: You know, how many quarterbacks get it out in what

805
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: two point two seconds? Brady two point one five. I

806
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: mean you maybe sack him once a game on fifty dropbacks.

807
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: You gotta have something else to go to in your

808
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: tool chest. I like this plan, I really do. I

809
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: think it's going to pay dividends for this defense. We

810
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: start the show today talking about the Buffalo defense. There

811
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: certainly is optimism about the Bill's defense, and we want

812
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: to know what you think is the main reason. Why

813
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: is it the second year in the defensive system? Is

814
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: that Tremaine Edmonds? Is it the addition of the free

815
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: agents from Chappie He tweets in For me, it's a

816
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: combination of Edmonds and the free agent signings. And when

817
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: we put that out there, I was thinking of the

818
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: three main signings Starlotulalay, Trent Murphy, and the corner of

819
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: Vante Davis, all three of them starters at least right

820
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: now on paper. Which those three do you think is

821
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: most significant? Which are those three free agent signings you

822
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: think will have the most to say about just how

823
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: good this bubble of defense can be? It's star, Yeah,

824
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: because just because of the trickle down effect that he provides.

825
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: Because by holding up in the middle there and pushing

826
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: the pocket to prevent a quarterback from stepping up, that

827
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: helps Jerry Hughes and Shack Lawson on Trent Murphy on

828
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: the edge because now when they loop around, if they

829
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: win against their offensive tackle, the quarterback can't step up

830
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: to get away from those guys. He has to retreat

831
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: out of the pocket. Now it's advantaged Jerry, Shack and

832
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: Trent because that guy's retreating backwards up the field. They're

833
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: running forwards, you know, advantage defensive ends. That's one trickle

834
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: down effect. The second one is if he's stuffing the

835
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: run in there with Kyle or Harrison, whoever's rotating in,

836
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: you're creating long down and distant situations. Now that's more

837
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: opportunities for pass rush, more opportunities for the guys on

838
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: the back end to make plays on passes in the

839
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: air and helping with the pass rush. Even if you're

840
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: not getting to the quarterback, throws are being hurried, rushed.

841
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: Maybe they're getting hit as they throw. It's an errand ball,

842
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: it's a flutterball, whatever it is, it's more opportunities for

843
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: the guys on the back end. And I think by

844
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: tying up two blockers also, it's going to free up

845
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: someone like Tremaine Edmonds to run and hit and crush

846
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: people and finish the season with one hundred and thirty tackles.

847
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm this topic of the Buffalo defense. Let's get to

848
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: your phone. Calls Jim on the line from Tonamana. Hello, Jim,

849
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air with us. Oh great,

850
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: Hi guys. All right, murky and defensive end. It's going

851
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: to make a big difference this year. And my cousins

852
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: are from Washington. They say it's the greatest thing since

853
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: slice bread. On your opinion, I also read we're going back,

854
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: I hope, So I'll confess. I'm worried that Trent Murphy.

855
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: He missed about a week, what eight days of practice

856
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: with a groin injury. We talked about it yesterday, Chris

857
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: and I came out here yesterday and seemed to aggravate

858
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: it yesterday, and we don't Yeah, you know, they only

859
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: had to walk through today. There's no update yet on

860
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: what his status is, Buttle worried about. But coach Fraser

861
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: did tell us in the press conference this morning that

862
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: he's not certain that Murphy's going to be available. So

863
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: now that's you know, he doesn't play Friday. That's two

864
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: preseason games that he hasn't played. And this is what

865
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: you worry about with players coming off a major injury

866
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: like his acl which cost him, you know, last year,

867
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: when you come off a major injury like that, and

868
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: believe me, Trent Murphy works as hard as anybody in

869
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: the weight room. He is a weight room Jim rat

870
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he really is. He's a borderline act. He

871
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: really is. And that's admirable and that's great. But the

872
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: hardest thing sometimes for players to avoid is using their

873
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: body to compromise for the injury they're trying to recover from.

874
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend to be an exercise science

875
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: person or a trainer or anything like that, but just

876
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: over the years of football that we've observed over the years, Murph,

877
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: we've seen guys that have major injuries, and while they

878
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: might recovered from that, the length of time that they've

879
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: compromised for that injury, maybe using their other leg a

880
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: little bit more, going up the stairs, or you know,

881
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: it creates another problem and leads to maybe another issue

882
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: because they've compromised for this one injury for so long.

883
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: And I hope that's not the reason why this groin

884
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: problem crops up again and again, because you know, in

885
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: an ideal world, the guys on the field for sixteen games,

886
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: but you get a little bit concerned knowing his recent history.

887
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, is he going to be available for sixteen games.

888
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we're already almost halfway through the preseason and

889
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: it's not looking good that we're gonna see him on

890
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: the field. I keep an eye on the next couple

891
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: of weeks. We're gonna take a break. We've got a

892
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: couple of more phone calls lined up. We'll get to those.

893
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Want to hear from you, reasons for optimism on the

894
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: part of the Buffalo defense. Where do you see those

895
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: reasons are? Give us a call eight three fifty toll

896
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

897
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: Chris Brown in for Steam Tasker. I'm John Murphy. It's

898
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: One Bill's Life, presented by Collada Health. From one Bill

899
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: from Bill Training Camp. This is Buffalo Radio. Welcome back

900
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: to Bill Training Camp. A rainy day here at Force.

901
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: The Bill is to postpone the eight forty five am practice.

902
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: They will be on the field at four close to

903
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: the public. You get one more chance tomorrow eight forty

904
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: five am. Every weather forecast I've looked at says tomorrow's fine.

905
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, a little cloudy, but I think okay. Tomorrow

906
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: eight forty five. Okay, good, don't need to hear you

907
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: don't need a ticket for tomorrow. Come on by last

908
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: chance to see the Bills a training camp talking about

909
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: the Buffalo defense and why if you are optimistic, maybe

910
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: you're not. Why would you be optimistic? Give us a

911
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: call eight oh three five fifty toll free one eight

912
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: eight eight by fifty two five fifty A call from

913
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: Dennis in Batavia. Go ahead, Dennis, Welcome to the show here, guys.

914
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: I've always been concerned back going to Rex Ryan's era

915
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: and that, and we always seemed like we had a

916
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of injuries coming out of training camp. And it

917
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: seems like the year mc coach McDermott's regime, we don't

918
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: seem to have that issue. So I'm going to hang

919
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: up and let you guys comment on that. But I

920
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: think conditioning might be a big issue. Yeah. I think

921
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: we're both reluctant to say we're in the clear. Out

922
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: of the woods. They're knocking on wood over here. Look,

923
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: there's a million theories about the chest. Conditioning is part

924
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: of it. I think the pace at which your practice

925
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: is part of it. But a lot of it is

926
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: just luck and bad luck, Chris. You know, unfortunately, as

927
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: long as I've been around, sometimes you can't predict when

928
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: the injuries are going to happen. And I hope they're

929
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: okay now, but there's no guarantees here. You worry about that.

930
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: It's a collision sport. I mean, it's gonna happen no

931
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: matter what measures you take that you feel are reducing

932
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: your chances for injury, and there are proven methods to

933
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: do that, especially for I will say the soft tissue injuries, Murph.

934
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: There's ways to take preventative measures and care of your

935
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: athletes to reduce the number of soft tissue injuries. The

936
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: muscle pulls, the cramping, you know, the muscle tears, those

937
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: kinds of things. But you know, an ACL can happen

938
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: with a guy getting his foot stuck in the ground

939
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: the wrong way, non contact. I mean we've seen that here.

940
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: Reggie Raglan was essentially a non contact injury two years ago.

941
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: Nobody touched him. He just his foot stuck in the

942
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: ground the wrong way when he tried to cut and

943
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: he tore his ACL. Darius Geis, you know for Washington

944
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: the other day, you know they think it's an MCL

945
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: bang it's an ACL after further examination, he's done for

946
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: the year. So it's just it's it's really luck luck

947
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: of the draw more than anything else, and you just

948
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: kind of cross your fingers and probably your toes too.

949
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: I know coaches do because they want to have everybody

950
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: available for Week one. I mean, that's the aim. And

951
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: so these next two weeks are a really nervous time

952
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: for coaches because they know they have to get their

953
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: starters ready for the season. So, you know, the Bills

954
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: and every other team that's playing in Week two here

955
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: this week is gonna be playing their starters a little

956
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: bit longer, and then come week three even a little

957
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: bit longer, and then they're just hoping to get through

958
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: that because after that, those guys aren't see in the

959
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: field until Week one. Man, I had to start last night, Chris,

960
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: I've finally watched episode one of Hard Knocks Cleveland Browns

961
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: last night. I should have been doing my spotting boards

962
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: for the Browns, but instead I watched Hard Knocks. But

963
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: there's a segment in there about injuries, and the Browns

964
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: apparently have had some injuries, and Jarvis Landry went public

965
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: and a meeting of wide receivers like an expletive laced

966
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: staying on the sidelines when they're just nicked up a little. Yep.

967
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Todd Hailey, the offensive coordinator, talked about it in a

968
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: coach's meeting, and believe me, I know we're only getting

969
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: a kind of a scrub version of what goes on

970
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But it struck me then that managing

971
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: injuries is that's a big chunk of what coaches do

972
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL, what head coaches do. How are we

973
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: going to manage it? Our guys really hurt? Well? How

974
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: much input from the medical and training staff do we need,

975
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 1: how much do we get? How much have been listening

976
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: to them managing injuries? I mean, off the top my head,

977
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: I'd say that's fifteen to twenty said about a head

978
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL does. Yeah, And you know it

979
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: was nice. You heard coach Frasier this morning at his

980
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: press conference. He was, you know, praising Star Latoula because

981
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: he came back to practice yesterday, and usually that first

982
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: day back, they try to ease them back into everything.

983
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: And so I think there were several of us watching

984
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: practice saying, Okay, he's out here, he'll probably do individual

985
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe be done today and then do

986
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: more tomorrow if everything feels all right. But then he

987
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: goes out there and he's rotating in for reps with

988
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: the defense, and coach Frasier basically said he was given

989
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: the option to skip team work, and he said, nope,

990
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: we're shorthanded at defensive tackle right now because Mark Quavius

991
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: Lewis has the ankle injury. The new guys still getting

992
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: up to speed Walker. He said, we're short there. He said,

993
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to rotate in and get some reps and

994
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: see how it goes. And he said, you know a

995
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: lot of people had a whole lot more respect for

996
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: Star for doing that, know when he's thinking about his

997
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: teammates more than about himself. And you know, injuries are different.

998
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean, not everybody he's gonna be able to do that.

999
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: If you've got some major muscle pull, you're not gonna

1000
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: be able to drag yourself out there in a practice.

1001
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: And why would you, you know, but he had a

1002
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: little back tweak and he thought he could get through it,

1003
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: so he did to you know, kind of take the

1004
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: load off of his fellow defensive tackles. All right, we

1005
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: got a rainy day here at Saint John Fisher. Although

1006
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: it is not raining now, it may again today. The

1007
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: rain forced the Bills to flip practice to four pm today,

1008
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: closed to the public now. They had to walk through

1009
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: inside in the gym earlier this morning. We're gonna take

1010
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: a break. When we come back. Joe b Joba Scaudia,

1011
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: who is The Bill's beat reporter and sports director at

1012
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: www TV Channel seven in Buffalo. He'll be live with

1013
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: us year at training camp to talk about his take

1014
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: on the first three weeks the first training camp here

1015
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen for the Buffalo Bills. Joba Scaltia. When

1016
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: we come back, John Murphy with Chris Brown. He's in

1017
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: for Steve. It is one Bill's Live from Bill's Training

1018
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: Camp on Buffalo Bill's Radio Falo Bill's Radio Network Stories update.

1019
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: The update from Bill's training camp to go up against

1020
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: the weather today on the second and last day of

1021
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: training campus Saint John Fisher College. Today, scheduled early morning

1022
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 1: practice was postponed. Camp has been closed to fans today.

1023
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: The team went through a walkthrough inside the college gymnasium

1024
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: this morning. They'll get on the practice field later today

1025
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: four pm. Again a close practice public non invited. They're

1026
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: up against nearly a near record steady rainfall that has

1027
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: hit the east side of Rochester today. One more camp

1028
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: practice left tomorrow eight forty five am. The weather is

1029
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: supposed to be clear by then. It's a non ticket

1030
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: in practice tomorrow. Then the Bills hit the road later

1031
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: this week for preseason game number two Friday night, seven

1032
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: thirty in Cleveland. Catch a game here on a flagship

1033
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. WGR Sports Radio five fifty. Markelson and Ioway

1034
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: have the call with Sal Capaccio on the sidelines Friday

1035
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: night for the Bills and the Cleveland Browns around the NFL,

1036
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: or one more note on the Bills when they welcome

1037
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: the Bengals to newer A Field Sunday, August twenty six,

1038
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: it will be Kids Day, the seventeenth Danual Kids' Day

1039
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: presented by Independent Health. Four o'clock kickoff against the Bengals

1040
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: and the Kids Day Fund kicks off on the Boulevard

1041
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: near Abbot Road at earlier in the day. Tom Brady

1042
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: says he'll make his preseason debut on Thursday. Game two.

1043
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: It's the Super Bowl rematch against the Philadelphia Eagles. Brady

1044
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: says he absolutely plans on playing in the Patriots second

1045
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: preseason game. Carson Wentz says is going to be close

1046
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: as to whether he'll be ready or the Eagles season opener.

1047
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: He hopes to play, but he did back up a

1048
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: little bit. He said, I obviously would like to be

1049
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: out there. He opened training camp avoiding the physically unable

1050
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: to perform list and has been somewhat active. And Paxton

1051
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: Lynch now has been passed on the Denver Broncos quarterback

1052
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: keep chart by Chad Kelly. The Western New Yorker. Chad

1053
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: Kelly's played well, according to Bronker's coach Bench Joseph no

1054
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: surprise see Kelly first in line beyond Case Keenum when

1055
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: they took snaps yesterday in training camp. Kelly missed his

1056
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: entire rookie season after undergoing surgery to repair a ligament

1057
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: and his throwing wrist. And that's our sports update from

1058
00:48:49,280 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's training camps for time. Welcome MC and Hills

1059
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: training camp. Welcome back to Saint John Fitzer College, John Murphy.

1060
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Chris Brown is here in for Steve Casker. Steve is

1061
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: back tomorrow and we are joined by one of the

1062
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: frequent observers here at training camp. He is the Bill's

1063
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: beat reporter for WKBWTV and Buffalo. He is a sports

1064
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: director there as well. Happy to have Joe B Joe,

1065
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: but scout here, I Joe, I know, shake your hand, man,

1066
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: I know it's no problem. It's been a while since

1067
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: I've been here, and I was thinking about this. I've

1068
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: known Chris for a long time. I don't think we've

1069
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: ever been on the air together. Wow one on the radio.

1070
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: Not on the radio. Nope, I don't think that's happy

1071
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: to leave. You guys can just go ahead. It's a

1072
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: special moment. It's up to you. You're here every day.

1073
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: You you got here today. Um, I guess you knew

1074
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: coming down that it was gonna be late and almost

1075
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm driving down here thinking this feels kind of good.

1076
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm not exhausted at seven, six thirty seven in the

1077
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: morning driving down here today. He was almost back to

1078
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: the rect Ryan days a little bit later. Star. Yeah,

1079
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: I'll say the eleven o'clock start. He was notorious for that.

1080
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was nice not waking up at five

1081
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning and then you know, hopping on

1082
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 1: the road. But you know, it's training. Camp. You gotta

1083
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: do it. I love I love this time of year. Yeah,

1084
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: I get a geek out over depth charts. It's it's

1085
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: my thing. I do too. Chris, Chris and I went

1086
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: out this other day. I say, Chris, can you believe

1087
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: camp sums? And Chris lay, Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready,

1088
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Yeah. I'll take my twenty minute drive to

1089
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: Orchard Park over this any day of the week. I

1090
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: think anybody would. I you know, I have a lot

1091
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: of respect for people that either live in Rochester and

1092
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 1: work in Buffalo or the opposite, that do that drive

1093
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: year round. I know some people to do that. I

1094
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: don't know how they do that, especially in the wintertime. Yeah,

1095
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: holy crow could get messy in a hurry. I got

1096
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: a lot of more respect for them just doing this

1097
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: for three weeks. Yeah, three weeks into camp. One more day, Well,

1098
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: practice today, practice tomorrow. Joe, what do you think so far?

1099
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: What kind of a camp has this been? I think

1100
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: it's it's been one where we don't really know what's

1101
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: happening with the quarterback position, and that's by design. And

1102
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott and Brian Dable have both been very tight lift.

1103
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: But you know with reason, because they don't want to

1104
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: tip their hand whatsoever. They want to let the game

1105
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: kind of speak for itself. And I think what we've

1106
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: seen over the last couple of practices, more so than

1107
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: at any other point in training, camp is at that position.

1108
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: It is as wide open as it has been. I mean,

1109
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: Josh Allen working in with both the ones and the

1110
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: two's working in with the twos exclusively yesterday, which was

1111
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: the first time he's done that for an entire practice.

1112
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: So for him to do that signals to me that

1113
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: maybe they're thinking about it a little bit more than

1114
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: they had been as camp open up, and maybe he's

1115
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: shown them some things that they weren't really expecting from

1116
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: him at this point in time, or maybe this was

1117
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: a part of the plan all along. I mean they've

1118
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: been very They've had this shroud of secrecy over the

1119
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: plan for this entire time. So who knows. Howard Simon

1120
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: asked me on the radio this morning, do I think

1121
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: John McDermott knows who is September ninth starter will being

1122
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: He's just not saying, And I said, no, no, don't

1123
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: think so. I think it's it's open, And he's remained

1124
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: open night about this, right, guys. Yeah, At the same time,

1125
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: he has been the wizard of quarterbacks and he's got

1126
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: this big green curtain, you know, in front that you

1127
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: can see behind the curtain, and no one's back there

1128
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: as far as the plan goes. But I thought that

1129
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: yesterday's practice was interesting with him getting exclusively second team

1130
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: reps and the and the byproduct of that was, for

1131
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: the first time in camp, someone besides Josh Allen was

1132
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: with the threes, namely Nathan Peterman. So I'm kind of

1133
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: wondering if this is the direction we're headed for Friday,

1134
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: namely mccaren starts, Josh moves up with the twos to

1135
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: see if he can handle a little bit more with

1136
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: a little bit better talent around him. And then you know, Nate,

1137
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: you started the first game, just take a back seat

1138
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: for this one. We're figuring it out. And by a

1139
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: logic and with the rotation and the way it's been

1140
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: the past couple of days, if Peterman was with the

1141
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: ones the first day, then the threes, mccaren was with

1142
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: the twos, and the ones, then Alan goes from the

1143
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: threes to the twos, you would naturally think Allen with

1144
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: the ones mccaren with the threes, Peterman with the twos

1145
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: potentially today. I mean, I would not be surprised to

1146
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: see it if if they're mixing things around, and like

1147
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: you said, the Peterman with the threes was the big

1148
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: key here, Yeah, because nobody had been with the threes

1149
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: besides Josh. It's a quarterback shell game, Murph. Let's get

1150
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: another helmet out here and just start around. Since last

1151
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: Friday and looking ahead to this Friday, I've been saying

1152
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: I want to see Josh Allen with the ones this

1153
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: Friday night in Cleveland, and Leslie Frasier it's not news,

1154
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: but he said our starter was gonna play play a

1155
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: little bit longer this week. Good, let Josh Allen play

1156
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: with the first team offense this week just to see if.

1157
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: Because I do believe preseason game number three is the

1158
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: logical time to do your dress rehearsal if you don't

1159
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: know about Josh Allen. If you I want to know

1160
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: more about Josh Allen before you get to that dress

1161
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: and you're not going to do that in the third game,

1162
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. By then, you're trying to get

1163
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: somebody ready for the regular season. If they should want

1164
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: to know too, what he's all about with the first team,

1165
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: And you know, you can't really put him out there

1166
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: with the first team unless he practices with them. For

1167
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: Give him a whole practice, give him a preseason game,

1168
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: give him, you know, first in to the second quarter,

1169
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know, honestly, I think there might even

1170
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: be a chance for that third preseason game where we

1171
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: see two, maybe three of those guys with individual series.

1172
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: Since the first team is gonna have so much time

1173
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: out there, that might be a way that they slice

1174
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: it up just to get it a true test. It's

1175
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: important to note, and people have made this point, there

1176
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: is no tried and true, tested formula to identify, especially

1177
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: in a kind of a rare three way quarterback battle, right.

1178
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody has the secret as to how to

1179
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: do this the right way, the fool proof way correct.

1180
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: Rex tried it. Yeah. Speaking of Rex, he went for

1181
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: it in the tyrod v e J versus who else

1182
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: was Castle saw him in the Lions Jersey today, I'm like, wow,

1183
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: he's still around it just he's anyway, But yeah, it is.

1184
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: It is difficult because you face the idea of trying

1185
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: to find the right guy and then trying to get

1186
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: that guy enough reps to where he's comfortable with your

1187
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: team and in the off fence and then building the

1188
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: offense around him before the start of the regular season.

1189
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: So time's ticking, Chris. Yeah, Chris was here with me

1190
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: yesterday and I said to coach McDermott, you feel like

1191
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: the clock is ticking on this decision. And he gave

1192
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: him a look at me. He gave him a look.

1193
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't a death stare, but he gave him a

1194
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: look like, are you seriously asking me that? Because like, yeah, serious,

1195
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: I said, why are you laughing? Because you know why

1196
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: I think he laughed because he knows the clock is ticking.

1197
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: He feels a course, right, like tell me something I

1198
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: don't know? Yeah right, Yeah, I get that. But that's

1199
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: why I also asked him, you know, because there's a

1200
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: part of me that wonders how much of his handling

1201
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: of Peterman is impacting how he's handling Josh now. And

1202
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: I know every case is different a year ago Peter, right,

1203
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: And I mean Josh's skill set is off the charts

1204
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: in comparison to Peterman. I mean they're not the same

1205
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: person at all. So yes, every case is different, but

1206
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: you know the peaks and valleys of you know, how

1207
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: they brought Nathan along and determining when he they felt

1208
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: he was ready to go in the starting lineup and

1209
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: how that went. There's a part of me that wonders

1210
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: if he's purposely being conservative, maybe even more than he

1211
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: might have been with an athletic talent like Alan, based

1212
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: on how last year went. Because he always talks about

1213
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: how he's a coach that you know, tries to rely

1214
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: on and learn from previous experiences. Now, we didn't get

1215
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: a direct answer from him yesterday when I asked him

1216
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: that question, but he kind of hinted that. You know,

1217
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: I felt there were a lot of good things that

1218
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: we did with Nathan that worked, some things didn't work.

1219
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't shy away from it. But there's

1220
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: a part of me that wonders, you know, the way

1221
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: he put him out there and the way it all

1222
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: went down, is he a little bit I don't want

1223
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: to say gunshy, I think that's too strong a word,

1224
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: but is his approach a little bit more conservative with

1225
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: Alan so he doesn't experience the same pitfalls. I don't know.

1226
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just guessing. I'm you know, I'm spitballing here,

1227
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: but I wonder if there's some level of impact on

1228
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: his thinking and plan for Josh that's impacted by how

1229
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: things went with Nate last year. Yeah, that's a good point.

1230
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: I think it's just human nature because if you do

1231
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: and his position, I mean, everyone thinks about Sean from

1232
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: a national perspective as good coach got the Bills to

1233
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: the playoffs for the first time and forever. Hey, but

1234
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: he also started Nathan Peterman on the road against LA

1235
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: and almost cost the Bill to the playoffs. That that

1236
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: is his national viewpoint right now, And I don't know that.

1237
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it's I don't think he cares what people are

1238
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: saying about him, but I think it's more so not

1239
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: wanting to put his young player out in that position

1240
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: more than anything, and putting them in positions to succeed.

1241
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: If if you can't go out with the threes and

1242
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: do the job the way that they want them to,

1243
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: then why are they going to try and force them

1244
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: into the ones and the twos? And I think that's

1245
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: maybe why they're taking the pump the break approach. But

1246
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, you can clearly see every single day the

1247
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: guy makes special plays he is the most talented by

1248
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: a mile. He makes throws that A J. McCarron and

1249
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: Nathan Peterman could never even think about making. And the

1250
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: thing two Going back to McDermott for a second here

1251
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: is I mean, we all know, just being around him

1252
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: for the past year, what a methodical person he is,

1253
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: how painstakingly he thinks things through. So when you think

1254
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: about him putting a plan together for a rookie quarterback,

1255
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: you almost say to yourself, how willing is he to

1256
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: deviate from that? Like to me, just thinking about how

1257
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: Coach operates, I have to believe that Josh has to

1258
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: do some pretty extraordinary things and do them more than

1259
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: just once or twice to convince coach. You know what,

1260
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: as much as I've thought about this plan, we're ready

1261
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: to take this step now, not five six, seven pages

1262
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: further in the book. We're ready to get you know,

1263
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: we're ready to jump to chapter seven because he's doing this.

1264
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: I wonder what kind of a leap Josh has to make.

1265
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if it's on the field stuff,

1266
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: because as Joe said, that's readily apparent. I think there's

1267
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: a mental side to this that has to reveal itself

1268
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: to coach for him to be convinced we're moving, we're

1269
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: accelerating the program with Josh Allen, John Murphy, Chris Brown.

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Speaker 1: It's one Bills Live from training Camp. Job a Scallia

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Speaker 1: sports director at WKBW TV, joins us as we talk

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Speaker 1: about the Bills and the quarterback question. If you have

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Speaker 1: a thought on that, we got phone lines open at

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Speaker 1: eight oh three five fifty toll free one eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty. So the quarterback question

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Speaker 1: for the Bills, in many respects, it seems to me,

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Speaker 1: is a question about what what are McDermott's and the

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Speaker 1: team's expectations for the season. If they go with McCarron

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Speaker 1: or Peterman, it seems to me they're saying, hey, we

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Speaker 1: still want to win, we still think we can get

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Speaker 1: seven eight nine wins. If they go with Josh. It's

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Speaker 1: more like, we know this guy's good. He's definitely the future,

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Speaker 1: but we're rolling the dice a little bit here. He

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Speaker 1: might not be ready right out of the box, and

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Speaker 1: that to me, would make a difficult decision for McDermot.

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what he's facing here. I

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Speaker 1: think he probably wants to air towards the former of

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Speaker 1: what you said, like going and peating for a potential

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Speaker 1: spot in the playoffs because he doesn't want to concede

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Speaker 1: a year. That's just how he's wired, and for the

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Speaker 1: most part, that's how every coach is wired, with the

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Speaker 1: exception of like, I don't know Hugh Jackson out in

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Speaker 1: Cleveland knowing what's happening out there, But I think for

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Speaker 1: him there's also the open mindedness that has to be

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Speaker 1: there that maybe Josh Allen is that answer with maybe

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Speaker 1: even this year for that specific thing. And not to

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Speaker 1: say that Nathan Peterman and AJ mccaren have done anything wrong.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know, I think Peterman stayed within the offense,

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Speaker 1: was very efficient in his game. I actually like mccaren more,

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Speaker 1: even though he completed less passes. I thought the way

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Speaker 1: he stepped into the pocket between him and Peterman, the

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Speaker 1: way he stepped into the pocket and delivered passes, I

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Speaker 1: thought he was right on and exactly what you kind

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Speaker 1: of look for from that style of quarterback. And I

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Speaker 1: just wonder how long he can kind of stave this

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Speaker 1: thing off to where he looks at his players in

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Speaker 1: the locker room and can pass off saying, hey, we

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Speaker 1: think aj gives us the best chance to win because

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Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy, how much longer does he have left? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the window is very small for Hill, Kyle Williams,

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander, all of these different guys who are up

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Speaker 1: there in age that are sold on the fact that, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is this coach got us to the playoffs last year.

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Speaker 1: I'm believing in what he's saying. And if they sit

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Speaker 1: there and see Josh Allen make the type of throws

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Speaker 1: that we see him make in practice, and then see

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Speaker 1: a j. McCarron take a bunch of sacks and practice,

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Speaker 1: or Nathan Peterman throw a pick to end practice with

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Speaker 1: the threes yesterday, they think to themselves, well, why isn't

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Speaker 1: that guy getting more time with the ones? I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I mean he gets some leeway from from the players, sure,

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Speaker 1: But as time goes along and you see all these

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Speaker 1: special traits like that that Zing throw into Rayray McLeod

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Speaker 1: in the end zone in the preseason game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many players in the NFL right now make that throw?

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Speaker 1: You can count him on one hand and probably not

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Speaker 1: use all five fingers. Not to mention he looked off

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Speaker 1: the corner. Yeah, Like he looked the corner off to

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Speaker 1: the sideline to make him think he's going sideline, and

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Speaker 1: he took one step and that was enough for him

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Speaker 1: to zing it in there. But that's not to say

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Speaker 1: that he doesn't have his warts, because you see him

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Speaker 1: that that fourth and two is the prime example that

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Speaker 1: everyone harps on. But you know there's also times in

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Speaker 1: training camp where he spots the open guy, gets so

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Speaker 1: excited and just airmails it by like five ten yards

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Speaker 1: and you're like, Josh, what are you doing there? But

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Speaker 1: that's that's what you have to deal with, and that's

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Speaker 1: what you have to go through with him to get

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Speaker 1: him to a point where you feel like he makes

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Speaker 1: the winning the best chance for right. But to Murf's

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Speaker 1: point about wanting to see him with the ones, I

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Speaker 1: think the main reason there is value in that is

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Speaker 1: because I'm not convinced that he's a great practice player,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it seems like his

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Speaker 1: inconsistencies tend to crop up almost more in practice. And

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Speaker 1: granted we've only got one preseason game, but there are

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Speaker 1: just some elements with him where the lights come on

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Speaker 1: and it's like he's mental, and I'm talking almost more

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Speaker 1: mental than I am with the physical traits, because the

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Speaker 1: physical traits are always going to be there. But it

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Speaker 1: seems in practice, yeah, he's into it, he's focused, but

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Speaker 1: when the game comes, it's like he's got this new

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Speaker 1: kind of focus where he's making these little he's using

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Speaker 1: those little nuances of the game, looking a corner off

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Speaker 1: so he can fit it in a tighter window. You know,

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Speaker 1: he'd give him an extra six inches so he can

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Speaker 1: get a pass in there, or looking a safety off

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Speaker 1: even though he's going to this slant route right away,

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Speaker 1: or holding the linebacker there for an extra second so

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Speaker 1: the slant is open for him without worrying about this

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Speaker 1: guy jumping the route. I mean, he's doing that stuff

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Speaker 1: already in games, so you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's a practice to game thing. I mean, we heard

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Speaker 1: coach talking about Ray. Ray McCloud also called him a

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Speaker 1: gamer because he wasn't showing a whole lot here the

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Speaker 1: first week and a half. He had ball security issues.

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Speaker 1: For god's sake, He's getting the ball punched out on

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Speaker 1: this field, he's dropping passes over here. And then he

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Speaker 1: gets in the game and he's a different player, right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm on board with you, Murph. That's why I

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Speaker 1: would like to see him with the ones to see

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Speaker 1: if that gamer type of play is in him, with

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Speaker 1: a better set of players on the field and a

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Speaker 1: better defense going against him, and along the same lines

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Speaker 1: that throw to Kari Lee. I don't think he makes

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Speaker 1: that ever in practice, because the threat of getting knocked

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Speaker 1: to his butt in the game persisted and he got

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket and then threw it off his

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Speaker 1: back foot. I mean, he's done that a couple of

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Speaker 1: times in practice, but not to the level where he's

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Speaker 1: just pushing it like he did in that sort of scenario.

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Speaker 1: And that's the type of throws that make him special.

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Speaker 1: We're with Joe Bascalia from WWWTV Channel seven in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: It's not all about quarterbacks here. We talk about quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: a lot I maintain and Chris and I got going

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Speaker 1: on this yesterday. This is a big week at the

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Speaker 1: receiver spot. It's a pretty competitive field. But to get

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Speaker 1: Zay Jones back, non contact jersey off with is Chris

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Speaker 1: kind of outlined yesterday a pretty apparent different approach, different

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Speaker 1: attitude to the game, and to get Corey Coleman back. Now,

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Speaker 1: he came here last Tuesday, got on practice, but there

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Speaker 1: was the game on Thursday. I feel like his real

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Speaker 1: practice with the Bill started this past Sunday. To add

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Speaker 1: those two to the mix of receivers, I think makes

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Speaker 1: this this week and maybe the next week or so

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Speaker 1: very important as they make up their mind who to

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Speaker 1: line up behind, say Kelvin Benjamin and Jeremy Curley. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Zay Jones has the prime opportunity here and

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Speaker 1: we didn't even see them make him have to earn it,

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Speaker 1: which I thought might be the case just because a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys, But what we have seen is that

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Speaker 1: no one else has really taken a hold of it.

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Speaker 1: You mean, who walked right back in with the ones? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he walked right back in the first coaching staff or

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, or the or the receiver, right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they tried Malachi dupri that didn't work. He's faded back

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Speaker 1: to the third team. They tried Robert Foster, that didn't work.

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Speaker 1: He's faded back to the third team. Let Brandon Riley's hurt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Andre Holmes isn't the first team receiver, and

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Speaker 1: he's practiced there. They gave Rod Streeter a shot that

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Speaker 1: really hasn't stuck. So Zay Jones walked right in and

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Speaker 1: was within with the first team offense. So yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: got the best shot at it if he shows what

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Speaker 1: he did. I don't remember what day it was, maybe Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the deep post from Peterman where he was just just

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Speaker 1: split the two defenders right back there and and Peterman

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Speaker 1: hit him in stride. I mean that's the type of

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Speaker 1: Zay Jones that I remember from training camp here last year,

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Speaker 1: not the regular season version of him. So if he

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Speaker 1: can continue to progress and do those things, maybe play

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Speaker 1: with a little bit more of an edge than he

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Speaker 1: did last year, and that's what. There's an edge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's an edge. I mean, I think we all remember,

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Speaker 1: at least media members. Do you know how engaging he

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Speaker 1: was in an interview setting. A lot of smiling, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little messing around, give and take, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: crack a joke, make a smart alec remark. There was that,

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Speaker 1: you know, interplay that he had with the media. That's gone.

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Speaker 1: That is gone. He is as serious I told coach yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I said, he is as serious as a heart attack.

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Speaker 1: And there's no smiling, nothing, and coach said, I think

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Speaker 1: he feels he's just got something to prove and he

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Speaker 1: is laser focused on that and that only everything else

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Speaker 1: has fallen by the wayside. He doesn't care if he's

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Speaker 1: got a personality. He's out there to go and dominate

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Speaker 1: on every single play he gets out there on the field.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if yesterday's any indication, I think we

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Speaker 1: can all be encouraged. If he can stack days like that,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be the number two or number three guy.

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Speaker 1: Here are you guys both dismissing Corey Coleman as a

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Speaker 1: as a candidate for playing time at receiver, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a spot for him in the top four.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot what we saw maybe when they

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Speaker 1: brought in Kaylin Clay last year of that blow the

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Speaker 1: top off the defense. Because let's not forget they only

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Speaker 1: acquired him for a seventh round back. He is not

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Speaker 1: a first round pick to them. He is just a

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Speaker 1: guy that come in that provides something different, a different

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Speaker 1: element to your team. So I think he'll get a

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Speaker 1: handful of snaps. And I mean unless Zay Jones kind

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Speaker 1: of plays his way down or Jeremy Curley does something

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Speaker 1: along those lines, but I think Coleman is a pretty

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Speaker 1: safe bet for that top four role. I'm just not

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Speaker 1: sure how much of him we'll see on actual games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's ground to cover there, Murph. I mean, that's why

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Speaker 1: my point is this is the week for that to

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Speaker 1: start to happen. Right, You're right, they don't have much

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Speaker 1: invested in him, but they I think they've invested this

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Speaker 1: week into seeing what he can provide. And it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me if they just give him a package of

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Speaker 1: plays for this game, like eight to ten play Like,

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Speaker 1: here are the eight to ten plays you're going to

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Speaker 1: be responsible for. You're going out there for these, you know, execute,

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Speaker 1: Let's see how you do with this. Yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: can't give him the whole bay. I don't even think

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Speaker 1: we're going to see him with the first team offense.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll mostly see him with the twos. Joe

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Speaker 1: Scot with us for a couple more minutes, and let's

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Speaker 1: talk about tight ends. I think maybe to the surprise

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Speaker 1: of many people, there appears to be some contenders Jason Croom,

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Speaker 1: most notably Joe. What have you seen from him and

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Speaker 1: what's his potential role on this roster? I might say

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Speaker 1: even ahead of Jason Croom. Carry leekry Lee is the

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Speaker 1: guy that has taken this thing on by storm over

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Speaker 1: the past week or so. I mean, he's the best

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Speaker 1: blocker of the tight ends on the team, and he

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Speaker 1: shown some surprising athleticism and playmaking ability both in games

1479
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: and in practices now too. So I think cry Lee's

1480
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: in the fifty three man roster. I know he was

1481
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: on late in the year last year, but I think

1482
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: he's in and he might even be pushing for a role.

1483
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: Croom is another guy that has tons of potential. He

1484
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: needs to get better as a blocker. There's no doubt

1485
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: that he just doesn't have his feet under him enough

1486
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: to James Sunday working with Rob boris Yeah, I mean

1487
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: at length, he's working at it, and he's been working

1488
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: at it for a long time, especially after practices too.

1489
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 1: He's a former wide receiver. I mean these things take time.

1490
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: But the guy that needs to be sweating right now

1491
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: is Nico Leary. Yeah. I mean he is someone that

1492
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: was with the first team in that preseason game, got

1493
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: bumped down to the third team a couple of days ago,

1494
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: was with the two slash threes yesterday it's it's not

1495
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: as though he does anything horribly. He just isn't remarkable

1496
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: in any sort of capacity. He's a slightly above average blocker.

1497
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: Some reps he's really good. Some reps he gets blown

1498
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: off the ball. He's an average athlete. He can get

1499
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 1: into some space and sit there, but he's not providing

1500
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: many yards after the catch. And when you have guys

1501
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: like Logan Thomas, like Jason Krum, like Cary Lee, who

1502
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: do something better. Like Cary Lee's a great blocker and

1503
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: he can make plays down the field, Jason Crum is

1504
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: a much better pass catcher and offers yards after catch.

1505
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: Same thing with Logan Thomas. I mean, why are you

1506
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: keeping Nico Leary? Then you don't. You don't own anything

1507
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: to it. That's his problem, Yeah, Stiff. The other three

1508
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: guys that Joe mentioned into are more athletic than him,

1509
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: and they all have some part of their game that

1510
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: they do better. And I mean, I thought another guy

1511
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: that made leaps and bounds and Murph and I talked

1512
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: about this yesterday was Logan Thomas. The one touchdown drive

1513
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: that Marcus Murphy finished. He made three good plays, little things,

1514
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: just little things. He leaks out at the proper time

1515
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: to be a safety valve and McCarron hits him on

1516
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: a short underneath throw. You know, he kind of gets

1517
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: positive yardage. They eventually get a first down chip block,

1518
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: he obliterates the guy, and then he has a key

1519
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: block on the inside run by Murphy for the touchdown.

1520
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: I mean, those are three plays on the same drive.

1521
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: And if I'm a coach and I'm watching that and

1522
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: he flashes three times on a scoring drive, I mean

1523
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm checking, you know, I'm checking off boxes for a

1524
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: guy like that, and O'Leary has not given that to

1525
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: them very much in training camp or in that first game.

1526
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: I think in this offense, they'll probably keep four tight ends,

1527
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure O'Leary is one of them right now.

1528
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: Fourteen ends in a fullback. Yeah, okay, I got a

1529
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: call out of the line and watch to ask go

1530
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: out another aspect to the Buffalo offense. Richie in Rochester, Richie,

1531
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: go ahead, either, guys, thanks for taking my call. Watching

1532
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: football for a long time, my question really has to

1533
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: do at the speed of the game. I'm what I

1534
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: see is that pro football is something that takes two

1535
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: to four seconds to start everything rolling what is going

1536
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: to happen with quarterbacks when the offensive line has to

1537
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: block for them? So why talk about the quarterbacks? I

1538
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: think we talk about the offensive line and can the

1539
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: Bills support a rookie quarterback or guys that can need

1540
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: to understand defenses. I'll get off and listen, Okay. I think,

1541
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: just from my perspective, I think the offensive line can

1542
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: play at a higher level than people are expecting. But

1543
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be one of

1544
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: the best in the league. I think they can be

1545
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: somewhere between like fifteen to twenty fifteen to twentieth best

1546
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: offensive line in the league. And you know, I've seen

1547
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot out of Dion Dawkins so far in camp.

1548
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: I think he's coming along pretty nicely. Groy has has

1549
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: impressed me a little bit, especially in the preseason game.

1550
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: I thought he did some really nice things. John Miller

1551
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: struggles with leverage still a little bit, but he's looked

1552
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: better than he did last year. Of vlad Dukas, you know,

1553
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: proved at last year he was good in games. And

1554
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: then Jordan Mills. You know, you can get along with

1555
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Mills, as we've seen, so I think for them

1556
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: with a player like Josh Allen who can escape the pocket,

1557
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: who can take some hits and stay up. I think

1558
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: he's used to this sort of thing. I mean, he

1559
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: didn't have a great offer. I mean, I don't think

1560
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: he'll have to do that as much here with this group,

1561
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: but you know, he's he's kind of used to it.

1562
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: He's built for it, and I honestly think that's where

1563
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: you sometimes see more of his special plays when he

1564
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: gets on the run and it becomes a little bit

1565
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: of backyard football. But also he's using his eyes and

1566
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 1: manipulating people as he does. I think I think that

1567
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: might be a sneaky part about this to where hey,

1568
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: is a rookie quarterback ready for that offensive line, I

1569
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: don't know, it might be the perfect combo. And I

1570
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: think too Brian Dable is the caliber of coordinator who

1571
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: can help an offensive line. And perfect example would be

1572
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: that first series last week, I mean against Carolina. I

1573
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: mean Peterman's three steps and the balls coming out. You know,

1574
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: he's shortening up the drops, He's getting quick reads for

1575
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. In part because that's what Peterman does well.

1576
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: McCarron for the most part, does that well too. But

1577
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: the byproduct of that is you're helping out your offensive lock.

1578
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: They only got to protect for two and a half

1579
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: maybe two and three quarters of a second, and that

1580
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: makes them look better and they'll be on board with

1581
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: that too. With Alan, yeah, I mean he can. His

1582
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: escapability certainly helps to make them look good also. But

1583
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: I think I think the reason fans worry so much

1584
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: is they look at last year and a quarterback in

1585
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: Tyrod who's very mobile, and what they give up forty

1586
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: seven sacks last year. Now, personally, I think Josh Allen

1587
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: right now reads the field better than Tyrod ever did,

1588
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: so maybe that's a mood point. Tyrod also held out

1589
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: to the ball really long, and that's my point. He

1590
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: doesn't read the field as well as I think Josh

1591
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: even does as a rookie right now. So where does

1592
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: it all come out in the wash? I'm hoping they're

1593
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: in the top half. I'm hoping they're like fourteenth, thirteenth,

1594
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: somewhere in there between thirteen and fifteen. If they're between

1595
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty, as Joe's instinuating, and that's certainly in

1596
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility, depending on how it goes. I

1597
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 1: worry a little bit. I'm hoping they can be a

1598
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: little bit better than that. Joey've gone this far and

1599
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: did not even address defense yet. I want to get

1600
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: you involved. In our Twitter poll, most people assume the

1601
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills defense will be improved from last year. What's

1602
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: the biggest reason for optimism about the Bills defense this year?

1603
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: Forty two percent of respond and say it's the addition

1604
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: of for me and Edmonds, Forty percent respond and say

1605
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: it's because it's a second year in the system, seven

1606
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 1: percent say it's because of the free agent editions like

1607
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: Starlotulalay and others, and eleven percent have something else in mind.

1608
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: Where would you go with that? I would go with

1609
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: other and just the defensive line in total, because it's

1610
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: not just the free agent signing of Star latou Lay,

1611
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: but it's the drafting of Harrison Phillips, who I think

1612
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: is going to play an integral role this year, and

1613
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: the fact that they are not just putting him in

1614
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: a little box and keeping him at one technique at

1615
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, having him come in for Kyle Williams, having

1616
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: him start for Kyle Williams in that first preseason game,

1617
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: giving him reps there at three technique as well. I

1618
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: think there's a there's a pretty solid chance that we

1619
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: see a three man main rotation at defensive tackle with

1620
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: Williams latou Lay and Harrison Phillips and Adolphus Washington getting

1621
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: some time. It's better, you know, You're right. He started

1622
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: playing for Kyle three technique and then came out of

1623
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 1: here over the weekend Sunday, and now he's playing one technique.

1624
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: Sack he made was yeah, an incredible play. He just

1625
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: crushed that offensive line on a one on one chance.

1626
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: And that's the type of play you're getting. So that plus,

1627
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, Shack Lawson looks to be improved this year.

1628
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: Even when he's not getting penetration, he's put his arms

1629
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: up and batting down passes. Um. Jerry Hughes looks to

1630
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: be the same guy. I heard Chris talking about this

1631
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: a couple of segments ago. Trent Murphy, just sit them

1632
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: until until the season gets here, because I worry the

1633
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: groin issue. It looked like popped up again yesterday. Just

1634
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: sit them down. You don't need him out there right now.

1635
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: Get them ready for the start of September. Hey, Joe,

1636
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: thanks for this. Let you get back out and into

1637
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: the rain. Maybe it started to rain hard again here

1638
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: and we're two and a half hours away from practice.

1639
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna do that today, Joe,

1640
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: it'll be gone back for Thank you very much. Thanks

1641
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: sounds good. Joe Viscaya, sports director WKBW TV Channel seven

1642
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: and Buffalo Bill's beat reporter, happy to have him with us. Here.

1643
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: We're back with more in a moment one Bill's Live

1644
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: presented by Klada Hell from Bill's training camp on Buffalo

1645
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. Welcome back to Rochester. A rainy day here,

1646
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: it started to rain again. The Bill schedule to get

1647
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: on the field at four o'clock this afternoon after their

1648
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: morning practice was postponed. Was supposed to be eight forty

1649
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: five am. They switched it up. They did a walk

1650
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: through in the gym, and what are you doing when

1651
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: you're spitting on your phone? Would you just do? There

1652
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: was a speck on my phone. I wanted to get

1653
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: rid of it. It was interrupting my texting here. Pay attention, Chris.

1654
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Joe b Joebas Gallia for joining us

1655
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: on the on the show. Coming up with two. Dan Orlovski,

1656
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback Will Jonas. We'll talk more about quarterbacks. Then.

1657
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: He's done a pretty nice detailed analysis of Josh Ellen

1658
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: and some of the other rookie quarterbacks that he put

1659
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: up on his on Twitter, and we'll talk about him.

1660
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 1: Gonna be a lot different than the regular quarterback stuff

1661
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: that we've done on the show. He's talking about nuances

1662
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: of quarterback play, which I think for the fans is

1663
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: really interesting stuff. Yeah. I was fascinated by his little

1664
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: breakdowns that he has on his Twitter handle. Let's go

1665
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: to a phone call here, Jim calling from lake View. Hello, Jim,

1666
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air with me and Chris Brown. Yeah.

1667
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean our first well, believe all start from game one,

1668
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: but I'm more concerned about the offense, the philosophy that

1669
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: the Bills are eventually going to adopt this year. You know,

1670
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: it's optimistic looking at the first game, how the ball

1671
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: passed quite a bit, and I'm hoping that the Bills

1672
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: joined the twenty first century and go to a pass

1673
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: first offense. I mean an offense where the pass sets

1674
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: up the running game versus the run trying to set

1675
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: up the pass. I'm hoping. By concern is whether coach

1676
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: McKee is going to be really comfortable with this. I'm

1677
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: hoping he learned something from last year, or will embrace

1678
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: analytics and look at his results. Last year, his run

1679
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: based offense against New England resulted in two double digit

1680
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: losses for them. I'm hoping that he looked at the

1681
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles and then with a second string quarterback, a

1682
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: quarterback with as many limitations as Tyrod Taylor, and just

1683
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: ripped apart. The Minnesota and New England defense is our

1684
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: consecutive weeks. It's because let me ask you this though,

1685
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: if I may interrupt you for a second, Jim, how

1686
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: many more our wins if the Bills had been you know,

1687
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: panting to set up or passing to set up the run,

1688
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: adopted the kind of pass offense you talk about, how

1689
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: many more wins they won? Nine? How many did they

1690
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: leave on the table by playing as the way they

1691
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: did well? John? Remember the nine win You know that

1692
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: that nine win season last year? It wasn't much different

1693
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: than the Rex Hyne years. We had a couple you know,

1694
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: the ball, the defense played a little bit better, and

1695
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: we needed a miracle at the end. But when they

1696
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: when it's a bounce to the ball, the bottom line

1697
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: is our offense was horrible last year. It was horrible.

1698
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: And I look at the transitions in the rams when

1699
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: they went from Jeff Jeff Fisher to McVeigh and how

1700
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: he changed the philosophy where he's gonna set up the run.

1701
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: The run is very important, but it's got to be

1702
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: set up by the past. Now, Chris Brown mentioned this

1703
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: yesterday we talked about the game against Carolina Panthers. You know,

1704
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: and I hear this all the time on the radio show. Well,

1705
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: you know what we gotta do is we gotta get

1706
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: that running game going so we can draw the defense

1707
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: in to open up the game. And I don't know

1708
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: if anybody watches BISE games, but you all last year

1709
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: the defense is already in before they even run a play.

1710
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: So I mean, you're running into a brick wall. You're not.

1711
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: You don't need to run to set up to have

1712
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: the defense coming. They're in already. I mean eight nine

1713
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: guys there. So all right, let's talk about it. Thank you, Jim.

1714
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: Let's Chris and I look, I never subscribe to the

1715
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: set up a run to set up a pass or

1716
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: vice versa. Chris, you kind of do what's working the

1717
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: Bills were what sixth and rushing offense last year worked

1718
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: pretty well after being number one in the league for

1719
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: a couple of years. And as long as and look

1720
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: I need, I know they need to pass the ball

1721
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: better thirty first last couple of years. I know that

1722
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: I saw signs of it last Thursday night us in

1723
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the field throwing you know, on short

1724
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: yardage situations. They did it least they're to night in

1725
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: the preseason game. I know that's what they're going for.

1726
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: But if you think that thirty year old to Sean

1727
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: McCoy is not going to be the focal point or

1728
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: at least the most important member of the Buffalo offense,

1729
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I think you're wrong. This year, they may throw to

1730
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: him a whole lot more. Yeah, so you know, he

1731
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: still might be his touches, he just might not. It

1732
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: might not be you know, eighty five fifteen run to catch.

1733
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: It might be seventy thirty. You know, maybe seventy percent

1734
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: of his touches are running the ball and thirty percent

1735
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: are catching the ball, and there could be that breakdown.

1736
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back to my stats at the end of

1737
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: this year, I think they ran it like fifty three

1738
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: fifty five percent of the time they had a high

1739
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: rush percentage on first down. Yes, they'll be down I

1740
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: think it was second or third and they'll they'll be

1741
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: down around fifty percent this year. But now, I don't

1742
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: think much worse, much lower than that, you know, No,

1743
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: I think unless Josh Allen takes the league by storm,

1744
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, then it might flip and they might be

1745
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: a true sixty forty pass run team. I don't think

1746
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: that's happening this year. No, that's not happening this year.

1747
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: Maybe a couple of years down the line. You know,

1748
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: if Josh Allen progresses and becomes a true franchise caliber quarterback,

1749
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: well then yeah, then I'm seeing a sixty forty pass

1750
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: to run mix, because that guy's your meal ticket and

1751
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: you should throw at sixty percent of the time. I mean,

1752
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: and we know that coach McDermott comes from the Andy

1753
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: Reid coaching tree, and Andy Reid is one of the

1754
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: most heavily pass oriented offensive coordinators in football over the

1755
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: last twenty years. His offenses are typically sixty forty passed

1756
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: to run. So I think with the right quarterback, I

1757
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: think you can get there. I don't think you're getting

1758
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: there this year though, and Jim's point about and I

1759
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: think I absolutely agree with this. I said it on

1760
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: the broadcast with Kelsel last Thursday night against Carolina. It's

1761
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: almost as if we're welcoming the Buffalo offense into the

1762
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: twenty first century with what they showed last Thursday night

1763
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: and the potential that was on display. Yes, they had

1764
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: the ability to throw it often and effectively, which with

1765
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor, I think that was the main issue, right,

1766
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: They didn't have that ability the last couple of years. No, Well,

1767
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: not only did you have a player who couldn't read

1768
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: the field well, you had a player who was inherently

1769
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: conservative even when he did read the field well. So

1770
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: you combine those two things, you're not gonna get a

1771
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: lot of production. And we saw it last year. I

1772
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: mean there were a couple of games he through for

1773
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: eighty five yards. What happened in the playoff game. I

1774
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: think I think Blake Bortles ran for more yardage than

1775
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: Tyrod through. Yeah, I mean I think those days not

1776
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: winning football. Yes, I agree, I think they are behind us,

1777
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: but I don't think we're at the point where Jim

1778
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: wants them to be yet. And I wouldn't don't expect

1779
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: that they will be this year. This is a this

1780
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: is a this is a step by step process thing

1781
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: going on here, and there's only so many things you

1782
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 1: can improve upon from year one to year two. And

1783
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: you have to have the guy at the quarterback position

1784
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: ready to be that guy. I think in time Josh

1785
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: Allen can be that guy. I just don't know if

1786
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: he's going to be that guy that you want him

1787
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: to be in year one. Coming up next, we're gonna

1788
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,879
Speaker 1: hear what some of these players think about. The flipping

1789
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: schedule is the rain returns to Pittsford, New York. That's

1790
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: coming up in just a minute. It is one Bill's

1791
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: Live from Bill's training Camp, and this is Buffalo Bill's

1792
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: Radio Bill's training Camp. They've got a four o'clock practice

1793
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: on the schedule coming up. Schedule for four today. It

1794
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: was supposed to be eight forty five this morning, but

1795
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: it's really rainy here. I saw some note about the

1796
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: near record rainfall on this side of Broadchester. I don't know.

1797
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: I know, driving here, it wasn't too bad. On the

1798
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: other side. I didn't get any rain till Batavier. So

1799
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: Chris when it kind of started up even beyond that.

1800
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: I take the Thruway all the way here because I'm

1801
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: pretty close to an exit, and it was drizzling maybe

1802
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: from the Penbroke Rest stop, okay, all the way in

1803
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: and thence once I hit the le Roy exit, it

1804
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: was near records rainfall, especially the further east to go

1805
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: from here, you know, down into the Finger Lakes. So

1806
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: they've switched up the schedule. The eight forty five practice

1807
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: was postponed until four this afternoon. The entire day has

1808
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: been close to the public. They'll have one more public

1809
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: practice tomorrow, a forty five in the morning. After the

1810
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: switch on the schedule, some of Bill's players talk to

1811
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: media members, including our own crew Eddie r bro backup

1812
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: defensive end, talked about switching up their schedule and what

1813
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: it means for the players here at training camp today.

1814
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Then you would normally get no Usually we have schedules

1815
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: where sometimes you get our hard practice heavy pacts in

1816
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: the morning and then walk through an evening, and we

1817
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: also have some days we do walk through in the

1818
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: morning and then practice hard even so it's not really

1819
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: a left hook for us by any means. What did

1820
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: you guys get done and we walk through I mean,

1821
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: what's the I don't know what you tell us gonna

1822
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: walk through, but in terms of what have you gotten

1823
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: done this morning? Already this morning, it's a lot of

1824
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: the time, especially in the grind of a season, you

1825
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: can't usually get like a lot of physical, physical strain

1826
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: on the body, so we have to prepare mentally. And

1827
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: that was a lot of the work that we got

1828
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: in this mental preparing, going through steps, footwork and the

1829
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: little things, the little minute of the game that we

1830
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: have to really be critical on. So definitely mentally and

1831
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: the little aspects of the game. Yeah, I walked through

1832
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: inside the gymnasium Mirord Fisher right to our left. Day

1833
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: had a walk through this morning when about ten thirty

1834
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: or eleven am. And now they're getting ready for the

1835
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: real practice. Although it doesn't stop raining. I don't know

1836
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 1: how they don't go. Ryan Groy, veteran Bill's offensive lineman center,

1837
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: talked about the rain and the issues it creates when

1838
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: it follows up the schedule like this. Here's what Ryan

1839
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: Groy had to say this morning today. I mean, it's

1840
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: not too bad worldly just flip around the schedule. Um

1841
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, we have

1842
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 1: to deal with this kind of adversity, and um, you

1843
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: know it's We're not going to affect us at all,

1844
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 1: and you know, keep moving forward. It's out. Today is

1845
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: simply just a flipping our schedule. Yeah, I mean, we're

1846
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: just gonna we just yea flip the walk through and

1847
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: move the practice round and just change the times. And

1848
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: that's that's real. Here he's playing in Buffalo. Are these

1849
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: the kind of days that you should go through because

1850
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: there's gonna be things like this when you happened when

1851
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: you had the water that you get a Buffalo. Yeah,

1852
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's good for good for anything, I mean,

1853
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: any kind of any kind of a sudden change, any

1854
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: kind of adjustment. You know, everybody needs to be ready

1855
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: for him on the flying um. Like I said, it's

1856
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: not gonna affect us, not gonna interrupt us at all.

1857
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: You just see what that running back group behind Lashawn

1858
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: McCoy and in particular Murphy seemed like he had a

1859
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: really good strong showing that pre season. Yet we have

1860
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of studs, but we have a I mean

1861
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: a great group behind us. You know, it really doesn't

1862
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: matter who's back there. You know they're gonna you know,

1863
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 1: run their boat off and you know, do as well

1864
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: as they can. That's Bill's offensive lineman Ryan Groy talking

1865
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: about the running backs. But dealing with adversity, Chris what

1866
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: most of the world calls it's raining today in the NFL,

1867
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: This is dealing with adversity. I'm not trying to downplay it.

1868
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: It's just a little switching schedule, no big deal. Right

1869
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: right time is valuable for these guys. They feel me too,

1870
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: And there's always a concern that if I'm not getting

1871
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: my team the reps that I had planned for them today,

1872
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: we're behind other teams that are getting their reps today.

1873
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: There's this keeping up with the Joneses. What do you

1874
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: think the mind set? What are the Patriots doing? It rain?

1875
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 1: They just belchick that raises his hand and it stops.

1876
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Does that happen? I wonder does he have a stick

1877
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: that he raises in the rain weather? Stick? Seeing those

1878
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: those we must have something. He must have something, you know.

1879
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: I think he comes up with a solution, or he

1880
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: makes them practice in it because they practice it, which,

1881
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,560
Speaker 1: by the way, is husky. That can be done. It

1882
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: can be yes, I've seen it can be risky because

1883
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: footing isn't great for players. And you know, any athletic

1884
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 1: trainer will tell you that you're probably increasing the risk

1885
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: of injury because footings pour, you know, you slip and

1886
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: do something, you yank something, who knows. Yeah, it's raining,

1887
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: and it looks like it's going to continue to rain.

1888
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: Their schedule to go at four. Does it look like

1889
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: Grounding Stadium is going to be our practice locale. We

1890
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: don't know yet. We're still cold. Rains very well, certainly

1891
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: better than the grass field, but yeah, it may they

1892
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: may have to go to the tour field out of

1893
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: necessity if the you know, because once you have ponding,

1894
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, pooling water on the grass field that you

1895
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: can't you can't. You don't want to practice in that.

1896
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: That's just too much of a risk, right And of

1897
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: course tomorrow's practice eight forty five am, no ticket required,

1898
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: final practice of training camp. As we speak, the moving

1899
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: vans are already here and I noticed they're loading up

1900
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: some of the weight room equipment to take it back

1901
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: to what your part getting ready to practice there later

1902
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: this week. The Bills will practice here tomorrow eight forty

1903
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: five in the morning. Then I think there's a walkthrough

1904
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 1: at one Bills Drive Thursday morning, then the Flight Thursday afternoon,

1905
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: in the game Friday night, seven thirty. The Bills and

1906
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. I mentioned I watched Hard Knocks last night.

1907
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Episode one, Brown Episode two comes out, and I don't know.

1908
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: I like, well, there's not endorsement, it's good TV, and

1909
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: it's all access behind the scenes stuff. I can't get

1910
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: away from the fielding Chris, and I don't want to.

1911
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to go all Calvin Benjamin here and

1912
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: trash the preseason opponents. But it looks the Browns many

1913
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: of them look phony to me. Fake. It's just like

1914
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot of weird, fake storylines. It's almost as if

1915
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: they are very much aware that they've got cameras in

1916
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 1: every meeting room, and some of them are taking taking

1917
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: every advantage to portray an image for themselves and to

1918
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: show you know who they are, whether it's on the field,

1919
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: off the field, you know their approach to the game.

1920
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm not tired of Hard

1921
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: Knocks because I think it's great. I can't wait for

1922
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: The Bills um Embedded, which starts tomorrow night Tomorrow night

1923
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: on Facebook Watch. But we know this team. I just

1924
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: got the sense watching it less than I thought. These

1925
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,600
Speaker 1: guys are phony. Many of these guys are phony. What

1926
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: you felt a lot of the scenes that you saw

1927
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: were contrived? Yes, yes I did. For instance, Jarvis Landry,

1928
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: it takes Jarvis Landry, who is a talented player, no question.

1929
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: You didn't buy his speech? No, no, And there's not

1930
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: much that Jarvis Landry can say that I would listen to.

1931
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you you know why he's a chief

1932
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: artists of his hit ended Aaron Williams's career. Why do

1933
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I want to you know, Jarvis Landry walking around issuing

1934
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: blessings to everybody on his on his teammates, you know,

1935
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: bless you, bless you, bless you. Is that what he

1936
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: said to Aaron Williams when he he hit him up high?

1937
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: And uh almost almost it's had off ended his career?

1938
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: Was that a blessing from Jarvis Landry? I think you phony?

1939
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: I think it's it is contrived. Look, I like Greig

1940
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Williams got along with him great when he was here,

1941
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: but he is into creating his own image. And this

1942
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: show you can tell it, you know. I seven other

1943
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: job offers, really seven other job offers. The NFL. He

1944
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: said he did in the NFL, and even Hugh Jackson

1945
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: new I sympathized with you know, he lost his mom.

1946
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: They that was recorded during the first episode, but I

1947
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: just think they seemed to me the Browns right now.

1948
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: I only watched one episode to be a team very

1949
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: much aware of the fact that they're being featured on

1950
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, uh, kind of an iconic television programmer about

1951
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: the NFL. Very much aware of that, very much into it.

1952
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I just don't. I don't get

1953
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: much of what goes on there. I don't know that.

1954
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: And you know what the problem with that is, that

1955
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 1: is exactly the pitfall that a lot of coaches do

1956
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: not want at their training camp. And that's why they

1957
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 1: say no to Hard Knocks for the very reason that

1958
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Because the players and maybe by extension,

1959
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: the coaches, are paying more attention to how they're perceived

1960
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: on camera than actually getting the work done that they

1961
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 1: need to get done to be ready for the season.

1962
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, they're an Owen sixteen team.

1963
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah they got thirty one. They got work to do

1964
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: and instead, and you're right, what you've said is exactly

1965
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 1: what I pick up on It's like they're very impressed

1966
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 1: with the fact that they're on hard knocks. Some of

1967
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 1: them are there to create their own images or bolster

1968
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: their own images. They should be working hard to make

1969
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: sure they don't go winless again and get more than

1970
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: one win. It troubles me. I'll probably watch again too.

1971
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: They got the Steelers week one. Have fun with that.

1972
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: Have fun with that. Call here from Bob and Lack.

1973
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: I want to hello, Bob, welcome you're on the air.

1974
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Is this weather thing something that eventually will work against

1975
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: John Fisher because of our field's house? That's all I

1976
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: really want on APP. I don't think so. I mean

1977
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: we're talking one out of what seventeen days. It's it's

1978
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: not gonna cripple them. They might even get into practice

1979
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: to day. They might not use this. I mean, they

1980
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: may not have lost the day yet. I mean they're

1981
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: looking to get back on the field at four o'clock.

1982
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: You know. I think if all of a sudden, this

1983
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: becomes Monsoon Central for three straight summers, all right, well

1984
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: then we'll talk. But that's usually not the case. I mean,

1985
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I think Western New York and I'm not gonna play

1986
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: a meteorologist on the radio either. But I remember reading

1987
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: somewhere that Western New York is one of the driest

1988
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: climates in the east of the Mississippi between May and September.

1989
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: Really it's one of the driest places. Yeah, in terms

1990
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: of average rainfall in those three or four months. I

1991
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: did not know that one of the drier places. Yeah.

1992
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,959
Speaker 1: And I'll you know, I got family in South Carolina

1993
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: and they're like, we are drowning down here with all

1994
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: the rain we've gotten. I said, hey, Buffalo is looking

1995
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: pretty good this time of year. Come on up seventy

1996
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,600
Speaker 1: eight and sunny, we'll by the pool. We've had a

1997
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: great summer and a great camp weather camp harried campus.

1998
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: The first day a real pre sip. I mean, there's

1999
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,839
Speaker 1: been some overnight showers, but you get that in the summertime,

2000
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: right matter where you are. Right during the day though,

2001
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: it's been it's been very dry. And thanks you for

2002
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 1: your calling. If you're looking for reasons, why someday and

2003
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: they've got a contract here for another what three or

2004
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 1: four years, there's another four years after this one. If

2005
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 1: you're looking for reasons why they someday may move training

2006
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: camp to Buffalo to Orchard Park. It's because of what's

2007
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: going on back there right now. Loading all that equipment.

2008
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: That's a hassle. Right what what did eighteen tractor trailers?

2009
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 1: Jeff Missouri told us before camp. Takes eighteen tractor trailers

2010
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 1: to move this team back and forth. That's expensive and

2011
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: that's a lot of work, and that, to me, would

2012
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: be one of the main reasons why if they ever

2013
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: decide to train back in training camp back in Orchard Park,

2014
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: they would do it. And the Bills right now are

2015
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:46,799
Speaker 1: I think are one of only ten or eleven teams

2016
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: now in the league that travels away from their home

2017
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 1: base for training camp. And I think as long as

2018
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,839
Speaker 1: they feel that it's doable, they're going to do it. Because,

2019
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you can say what you want. This is

2020
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: a regional franchise. You have to appeal regionally to your

2021
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: fan base. And it's no secret that fifteen to twenty

2022
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: percent of the season take a base comes from Rochester.

2023
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: You gotta pay some homage to that sure and respect that. Yeah,

2024
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen to twenty percent of the fan base

2025
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: comes from the southern Ontario, you know, so you've got

2026
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: to you gotta take up for the people that support

2027
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 1: your team, all right, a break coming up in the

2028
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: third and final hour of the show, Chris and I'll

2029
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: be back. We'll talk with Dan Orlovsky, longtime NFL quarterback

2030
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 1: who now does a lot of quarterback evaluation work for

2031
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: ESPN College in pro dan Orlovsky coming up in the

2032
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: third and final hour. One Bill's Life, presented by Kalaida

2033
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Health from Bill's Training Camp, Rainy Bills Training Camp. And

2034
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: this is Buffalo Bill's Radiolalo Bill's Radio Network story. Some

2035
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 1: date It's the Bills versus the weather. Today, on the

2036
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: second and last day of the twenty eighteen training camp

2037
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: at Saint John Fisher College, Today's scheduled morning practice postpone

2038
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: camp has been closed to fans because of the heavy

2039
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: rains that have hit this area. Team went through a

2040
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 1: walk through inside the college gymnasium this morning. They'll get

2041
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: in the practice field later today, scheduled four o'clock. It

2042
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: is closed to the public up against a near record

2043
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: steady rainfall to shit the east side of Rochester today.

2044
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: One more training camp practice left tomorrow morning eight forty five.

2045
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: The weather is supposed to be cleared by then. That

2046
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: is a non ticketed practice Tomorrow You are welcome to

2047
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:25,560
Speaker 1: a ten Bill hit the road later this week for

2048
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: preseason game number two Friday night, seven thirty in Cleveland

2049
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: against the Browns. You can catch the game here on

2050
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: a flagship in Buffalo, WGR Sports Radio five fifty. Mark

2051
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Kelso and I have the call of the game with

2052
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Seal Capacho on the sidelines. Preseason game number three, the

2053
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: Bengals game on Sunday, August twenty six. That is going

2054
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: to be the seventeenth dannual Kids Day game for the

2055
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. This one presented by Independent Health. As the

2056
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 1: Bills getting ready for kickoff, there'll be special celebrations outside.

2057
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: Young Bills fans have a chance to have fun before

2058
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 1: the game with a variety activities. Kids Day announced for

2059
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: the Bengals game on Sunday, August twenty six around the

2060
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: Tom Brady plans to make his preseason debut in the

2061
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 1: rematch of the Super Bowl against the Eagles on Thursday.

2062
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 1: That's what he said today, said he absolutely plans on

2063
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: playing in preseason game number two. Carson Wentz says he's

2064
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna be closed says to whether he is ready to

2065
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 1: go for the regular season opener for the Philadelphia Eagles.

2066
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: Wentz probably not going to suit up for a preseason game,

2067
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: but the Eagles are confident they will get him on

2068
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: the field for the season opener. Chad Kelly has jumped

2069
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: ahead of Paxton Lynch for the number two quarterback spot

2070
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 1: behind Case keenam with the Denver Broncos. Kelly, the former

2071
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: seventh round picked, the Western New York native, the former

2072
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: Ole miss A star, the nephew of Bill's legend uh

2073
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly. She had Kelly now number two on the

2074
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos quarterback depth chart. And that is the update.

2075
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: The sports update from Buffalo Bill's training camp in Pittsburgh,

2076
01:37:45,240 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 1: New York Time. Welcome back to the third and the

2077
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 1: final hour in the show. John Murphy and Chris Brown

2078
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: in for the Vacationing Steve Tasker. I'm just gonna call

2079
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: him that every day, even when he comes back. I

2080
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,839
Speaker 1: told you you got to call him Steve part time Tasker.

2081
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: That's his name, that and the Vacationing Steve Tasker, because

2082
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: let's face it, he's pretty much always on vacation, and

2083
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: this show is kind of like vacation formed out. Steve

2084
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: will be back with us tomorrow. We anticipate at twelve noon.

2085
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: In fact, I think I have to pick him up,

2086
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: so I'll get him here. You better, I'm gonna be

2087
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 1: flying solo because I'm gonna be busy. Now, I'll get

2088
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: him here. Final day of training. Can't tomorrow. We talked

2089
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: about the weather. It's been an issue here today, but

2090
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: four o'clock is the schedule practice time. It is closed

2091
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: to the public. It just it takes a lot of

2092
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: people to put on practice for the public, and you know,

2093
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of uncertainty today. Hey, all right, we're

2094
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: gonna get with Dan Orlovski in a moment or two.

2095
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 1: Long time better in NFL quarterback, twelve years in the league.

2096
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Now a ESPN football analysts will talk with him about

2097
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: some of these rookie quarterbacks move off to a pretty

2098
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 1: good start in preseason. That's coming up in a minute

2099
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,839
Speaker 1: or two. I have to say, Chris, I was surprised

2100
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: that most reviews of the first round rookie quarterbacks drafted

2101
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: this year pretty good from their first preseason game. I

2102
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: don't know if I ever can recall seeing that much

2103
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Speaker 1: positive feedback on the rookie quarterbacks again through one preseason game.

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Speaker 1: It was encouraging. And I think even the ones that struggled,

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01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 1: like Josh Rosen, were certainly given you know, they weren't

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Speaker 1: all the criticism wasn't heaped on them. They were qualifiers

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Speaker 1: as to why. You know, somebody like Rosen struggled, who

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01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: was with the second string unit, which I mean they

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Speaker 1: couldn't block anybody. He was running for his life on

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Speaker 1: every single play, and yet he still made some plays,

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Speaker 1: you know, And then you've got other players who were

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Speaker 1: very efficient, like as Sam Darnold who went thirteen of

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Speaker 1: eighteen passing at the same time, it was for just

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Speaker 1: ninety six yards, but still to see that efficiency and

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Speaker 1: to see the decision making that he had, Mayfield making

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01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: something out of nothing at times against the Giant, you know,

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01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: when a play broke down, Alan doing much the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You know that you think about the past to Cary

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Speaker 1: Lead that he made down the sideline off his back

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Speaker 1: foot under duress. Yeah, it was encouraging across the board,

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01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,719
Speaker 1: and I think that's why, you know, this quarterback class

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Speaker 1: was getting the hype that it was getting, you know,

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01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: around draft time. Yeah, I'm just thinking about that, and

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01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,600
Speaker 1: I thought about it a lot since the weekend. It

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01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: would be great if these quarterbacks, most of them turned

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01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: out to be pretty good, because so often first round quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: you know, the conventional hackneyed wisdom is every other one's

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01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 1: gonna be a bus. They're gonna be a bus. Don't

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01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 1: draft quarterback first round quarterbacks or a bus. Well, if

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01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,759
Speaker 1: we have a year where four of them are pretty

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01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks and potential franchise quarterbacks, I think that'd be good.

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01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:43,600
Speaker 1: I think it'd be good for the game as a

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01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: matter of fact. And you want to be a team

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01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 1: that's in on it and the Bills work, so that's good. Yeah. Hey,

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Speaker 1: our Twitter poll today talking about the Buffalo defense, you

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01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 1: can join this on this most people think the Buffalo

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01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 1: defense is going to be good, better than last year

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01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 1: for sure. What's the biggest reason for the optimism surrounding

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01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: the Bill's defense this year? Here on Twitter, Forty one

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01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: percent of you say the biggest reason in your mind

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01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: is the addition of free Maine Edmonds. Forty percent of

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01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: you say the fact that it's the second year in

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01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser's defensive system. Seven percent say it's the free

2144
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: agent signing star Lotulalay, Trent Murphy, Monte Davis, twelve percent

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01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: have something else in mind, give us a call. We've

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01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 1: got a couple of phone lines open eight oh three

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Speaker 1: oh five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight

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01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty, or you can do it

2149
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Let's get to some phone calls. Let's go

2150
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 1: to Gary calling from right here in Rochester. Hi, Gary,

2151
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,639
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air. Him like Dash and Murph.

2152
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm just nice hearing you on the radio. But I

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01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:42,600
Speaker 1: liked I heard a rumor Cleo Mack might come to

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01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: the Bills that he asked to be traded. Wouldn't we

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01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: take him? Well, I mean, that's pretty complicated, Gary. He's

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01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:54,799
Speaker 1: under contract with the Raiders. They are in a contract dispute.

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01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's asked to be traded. I

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01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 1: haven't heard that or seeing that yet. I'm sure he's

2159
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: unhappy with sitting now, but it's still believe it or not.

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01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 1: Three weeks in the camp is still kind of early.

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Speaker 1: Would he come to the Bills, could they pay him?

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01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: Would they be interested? Sure, if they can find a

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01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: way to make it work. I don't know, Chris. The

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01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 1: Bills certainly would not shut the door. If there's a

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Speaker 1: guy like Kileil mc available, although I think it's more

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01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 1: likely if something like that were to happen, it would

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01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:21,719
Speaker 1: happen next off season. Yes, and Buffalo's cap situation would

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01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 1: be a lot more favorable to make that happen in

2169
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: the way that Brandon Bean has positioned this team to

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Speaker 1: get out of the cap issues that they had with

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01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: some bad contracts. But the bottom line is, even though

2172
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 1: they moved you know, Marcel Darius for example, off their roster,

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01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: they're still playing dead money now this year in twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen on that contract. So after twenty eighteen, a lot

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01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: of that dead money is off the books. As a

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01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think the Bills might be one

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Speaker 1: of only a couple of teams in the league with

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Speaker 1: zero dead money right now for twenty nineteen. That could

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Speaker 1: obviously change based on certain circumstances that may or may

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01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 1: not come up, but bottom line, very healthy for twenty nineteen.

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01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 1: So if this kind of scenario presented itself next year

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01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: at this time, I'd say, oh yeah, they'd be in

2183
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 1: all that. I think anybody would listen on the other

2184
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 1: end of the phone if the Raiders are calling and

2185
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: they're looking to move Khalil Mack. He's one of the

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01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: top three pass rushers in football. The problem is Number one,

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01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 1: the kind of money he's going to be asking for

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01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: in his next contract. That's number one. Number two is

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01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: what the Raiders are going to be asking in terms

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01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 1: of compensation. We can't forget that. Yes, he's one of

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01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: the top three pass rushers in football. He's the number

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01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 1: five pick in the draft, So they're gonna be asking

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01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: for multiple ones for a player of that caliber. Are

2194
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 1: you ready to part with that? I don't know. It

2195
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 1: depends on where you feel he puts your team. Is

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01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,560
Speaker 1: he is? I mean, certainly he puts your team in

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01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: the stratosphere of pass rushers. You're gonna be one of

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01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 1: the best pass rushing teams in the league. But is

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01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: that enough to get you over the hump and now

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01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: make you a contend you know, a perennial playoff team

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Speaker 1: that's going to contend for AFC titles. It's possible. I

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01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 1: don't know, but I think the proof's gonna be in

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01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: the pudding and and the compensation is the big if here.

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01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: The good thing for the Bills, and obviously they get

2205
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 1: Khalil mac would be a good thing, is that they

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01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 1: don't have money tied up in the franchise quarterback and

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01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 1: are not likely to and they have four years and

2208
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 1: they probably have a good franchise quarterback candidate and Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: so they could make that money work and maybe, you know,

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01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: take advantage of the fact that you're not paying quarterback money,

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01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 1: although with Khalil paying a quarterback money. With Khalil Mack,

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01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay him what is essentially quarterback money. Yuh,

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01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he's gonna have a contract up

2214
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:32,600
Speaker 1: around one hundred million dollars. Yeah, so, you know, but

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01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing, and that's the model that maybe

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01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: the Eagles laid out for everybody. Find your franchise quarterback

2217
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,839
Speaker 1: in the draft, and while he's on that rookie contract

2218
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 1: making peanuts, spend your cat money in other places. And

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01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:47,560
Speaker 1: they did that. They signed to Alshan Jeffrey to you know,

2220
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: a one year deal. They signed who's the other receiver

2221
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:53,759
Speaker 1: they picked up the kid they just traded Torry Smith,

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01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: they signed to a one year deal. You know, they

2223
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,560
Speaker 1: get all these guys for big money one year contracts.

2224
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:01,839
Speaker 1: They're able to sign Fletcher Cox to a long term extension.

2225
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 1: You know, their best defensive players, so you know they're

2226
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: they're able to address a lot of other areas on

2227
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 1: their roster with short term contracts that don't get them

2228
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: hamstrung on the cap in future years because their quarterback

2229
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: is being paid peanuts on his rookie contract. Now, the

2230
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 1: Chickens will come home to roost when Carson Wentz his

2231
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: rookie contract is up, because they're gonna have to pay

2232
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: him franchise caliber money. But for that four year stretch,

2233
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 1: you can You got a lot of flexibility with the

2234
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: money you can spend on your roster, and you can

2235
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 1: build up the other weaker parts of your roster very

2236
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: quickly when you have a quarterback on a rookie deal,

2237
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: because you have that money to freely spend elsewhere. And

2238
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 1: they've already got one Super Bowl under their belt because

2239
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 1: of it. I think one of the premises of Gary

2240
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: the caller's question was that Khalil Mack wants to play

2241
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. I don't know if that's the case. Look,

2242
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 1: he had great college career here, not from Western New York,

2243
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 1: is from Florida. Does he have friends in Buffalo, Sure

2244
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 1: he does. Does he have fond memory, Sure he does.

2245
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: But it's gonna come down to money for Khalil Mack,

2246
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: I would think, right, and money for Khalil Mack and

2247
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 1: compensation for the Raiders. Those are the two big things,

2248
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 1: and they will be stumbling blocks for a lot of

2249
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: clubs because I believe the Raiders are gonna be asking

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01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: for two ones for Khalil mackin. I don't think they'd

2251
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 1: be out of their mind to ask for that. Agree.

2252
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd want to give that up,

2253
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I'd want to give it

2254
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 1: up either. Let's take a call from Mike and West Seneca. Hello,

2255
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Speaker 1: mikeel ahead, you're on the air with us. Hey, guys,

2256
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 1: thanks for taking me here. My question is mainly just

2257
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver group here. I do believe Kelvin

2258
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: is our number one. I do think we should resign

2259
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 1: them before the season, and is actually myself, But it's

2260
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 1: more about Corey Coleman. I know we just signed them.

2261
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of them besides the injuries,

2262
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: but I think personally he could be our number two.

2263
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 1: I know he's fresh, but you guys think he can

2264
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 1: ultimately jump up their past. Maybe they over that number two. Yeah, oh,

2265
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: let me and I want to get Chris's I kind

2266
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 1: of said this last hour with Job. I think this

2267
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: is an important week for Corey Coleman as far as

2268
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 1: his future of the Buffalo Bills. I think it started

2269
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: two days ago Sunday because he's getting worked in there

2270
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 1: a little bit with the twos. He provides an element

2271
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: they don't have really in the group they have among

2272
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: their wide receiver corps. I think he's gonna play probably

2273
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: a considerable amount of time Friday night in Cleveland. This

2274
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: is the I believe this next week here is the

2275
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 1: moment of decision for Corey Coleman's future with the Buffalo Bills.

2276
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:17,800
Speaker 1: You're staying on the roster or both? Okay, he could

2277
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 1: he could turn himself into as the caller Mike wanted.

2278
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: He could turn himself into a number two or number

2279
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: three with a good week this week, or he could

2280
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 1: lock down a roster spot or make or maybe none

2281
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 1: of the above. Yeah, I mean I I look at it,

2282
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 1: and to me, Za Jones has an edge to him

2283
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: that I've never seen before, and I totally see him

2284
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 1: seizing you know, one of these top three roles in

2285
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 1: the receiving corps. You know where Curly fits in that,

2286
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know he's had a pretty

2287
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:48,760
Speaker 1: decent camp and then Coleman, he's got to make some

2288
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 1: Hey this week, I agree with you, Marv. I think

2289
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 1: the run here's the thing. I think, in a perfect world,

2290
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 1: he shows this coaching staff enough where he earns a

2291
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:01,719
Speaker 1: top four role in the receiver corps. He's on the roster,

2292
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: and then with time on the job, he just gets

2293
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: better and better and better. Because what the Bills have

2294
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: here with Corey Coleman, if he shows enough to make

2295
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: this roster is time. Yeah, because there's two more years

2296
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: on his rookie contract for the Bills to work with

2297
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: here to see just what they have in him. I

2298
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,760
Speaker 1: think they're hoping he shows them enough now to convince them.

2299
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 1: You know what, We're gonna take our time with this kid.

2300
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 1: Let's let these next two years play out and see

2301
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 1: what he can be for us. You're gonna talk about quarterbacks.

2302
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 1: We're want to talk about the Bills when we return.

2303
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: Dan Orlovski, longtime vetter in the NFL quarterback with several

2304
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 1: different teams, now ESPN Football analyst Dandy By. He'll join

2305
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 1: us next one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health from

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01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 1: Bill's training camp on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to

2307
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: Bill's training camp and a rainy Tuesday afternoon. The Bills

2308
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:55,759
Speaker 1: hope to hit the field at four o'clock this afternoon

2309
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: of practice. Reschedule from the morning it is closed to

2310
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 1: the public. John mur If Chris Brown is in for

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Speaker 1: the vacation in Steve Tasker and we're in until three

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Speaker 1: o'clock joining us on the subway fresh tech outline. Good

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Speaker 1: friend of the show. He has been for the last

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Speaker 1: several months, now twelve years in the NFL as a

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Speaker 1: quarterback with teams like the Lions and the Texans and

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Speaker 1: the Colts and Tampa Bay and the Rams. Now ESPN

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Speaker 1: football analysts. Very happy to have Dan Orlovsky on the

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Speaker 1: line with us. Dan, John Murphy and Chris Brown here

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Speaker 1: in Rochester at Bill's camp. Thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, guys. It's good to be with you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: last time this before the last time we talked, you

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Speaker 1: would not put together this pretty impressive list of jobs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for ESPN Fridays and Saturday's college football on

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Speaker 1: ESPN and ESPN two, ESPN Radio, some NFL games on

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Speaker 1: Sunday Monday's ESPN's get up there. You're gonna be busy

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Speaker 1: for ESPN. Congratulations Dan, you got a lot going on

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Speaker 1: this fall. Yeah, well, thank you. No, I'm excited. It's

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Speaker 1: a huge opportunity. And I grew up in Connecticut, so

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Speaker 1: obviously a lot of people grew up on ESPN, but

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Speaker 1: I a little bit more so being from there, So

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Speaker 1: I'm really really excited for it. I'm sure that one

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Speaker 1: of the factors that went into your job there, and

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Speaker 1: really the job offer you may have had, was was

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Speaker 1: the fact that you understand quarterback play, and we're learning

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Speaker 1: it here in Buffalo this summer. People always want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the quarterbacks, and that's pretty much one of

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Speaker 1: your main areas of focus, isn't it. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I had such a unique perspective on it

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Speaker 1: because the great majority of my career, and really the

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Speaker 1: reason I played for a relatively long time was I

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Speaker 1: was able to provide value for our team without playing,

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Speaker 1: and part of that was understanding that position and learning

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Speaker 1: that position and being able to communicate it on so

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Speaker 1: many different levels, not only suggest quarterbacks, with so many

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Speaker 1: offensive and teammates. So it's funny how that career as

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Speaker 1: a backup is really I feel prepared to me in

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Speaker 1: such a high level for this next career that I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be a part of. Yeah. So, Dan, you know

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Speaker 1: it's great that you you kind of tweet out these

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Speaker 1: little video breakdowns on your Twitter handle, Dan Orlovsky seven.

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Speaker 1: You know when you did the rookie quarterbacks after this

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Speaker 1: past week of the preseason. And I'll start with Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen for our listening audience here in Buffalo, as best

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Speaker 1: as you can do it without video handy to you

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Speaker 1: now on the radio, maybe just describe for Bill's fans

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Speaker 1: some of the nuanced quarterback play that Josh Allen already

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Speaker 1: is deploying on the field that has you encouraged about

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Speaker 1: his future. So, you know, as I watched the tape,

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Speaker 1: and I was someone who for the past couple of

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Speaker 1: months been somewhat critical of Josh Allen or at least

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Speaker 1: pointing out, these are concerns of mine, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of it had to do with understanding what the defense

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Speaker 1: was giving them and how to go attack it, or

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Speaker 1: what the problems were and whatnot. So as I watched

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Speaker 1: the tape, he looked at me a pretty good control,

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Speaker 1: and I understand it's preseason week one. What all he

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Speaker 1: can do is go out there and play against the

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Speaker 1: defense that he's playing against. And I thought he did

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Speaker 1: a nice job of look like he understood what was

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Speaker 1: going on now. And there's moments where he is very

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Speaker 1: much so that young Stallion Tony running around and that's

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Speaker 1: impressive to watch. At some point that narrative of the

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Speaker 1: completion percentage and accuracy will have to be rectified by him.

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Speaker 1: But if I was a Bills fan, I would be

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Speaker 1: really encouraged by what I saw. He looked like he

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Speaker 1: knew what to do with the football, he was aggressive

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Speaker 1: with it. He made some throws that there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of people able to make. I will say that

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Speaker 1: the touchdown pass that he throws is very impressive for

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Speaker 1: a guy who is in his twenty fifth start or

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth play in an NFL start. And what I

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Speaker 1: mean by that was he got a coverage that is

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Speaker 1: not easy to understand, a coverage that it's not easy

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Speaker 1: to recognize, and the little things he did with his

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Speaker 1: shoulders to manipulate. One person on the defense told me,

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's got, he knows what he wants

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Speaker 1: to do and he's got a plan to go do it,

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Speaker 1: And so I was impressed by that. Yeah, you're sorry, Murph,

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Speaker 1: but you're big with You're big with quarterbacks having a plan,

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Speaker 1: having a way out even when maybe the look you're

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Speaker 1: getting might not be what you're anticipating. And I know

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Speaker 1: you gave credit to Sam Darnold for that too in

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Speaker 1: the Jets first preseason game. Right. Well, great quarterbacks are

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Speaker 1: problem solvers, that's what they are. And every play has

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Speaker 1: got a problem, and every play has got an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And the great quarterbacks consistently have one of those two

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Speaker 1: opportunities or options together, have a plan for the bad

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Speaker 1: or they take advantage the opportunity presented to themselves. And

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Speaker 1: the guys that become great do it over and over

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Speaker 1: and over again. And it's the it's the reverse definition

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Speaker 1: of insanity, where you do the same thing over and

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Speaker 1: over again expect different results. Great quarterbacks do the same

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Speaker 1: thing over and over game and expect the same result,

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Speaker 1: you know, And so I just too. There's plenty of

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Speaker 1: people who can throw a football, plenty of people. And

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Speaker 1: what I liked was he scrambled, Josh Allens scrambled and

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Speaker 1: made a throw down the sideline to Kyrie Lee and

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Speaker 1: then on the touchdown pass he zipped it in in

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a hole. There's a difference between

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Speaker 1: being able to make all kinds of throws and making

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Speaker 1: the appropriate throw. There's a big difference. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: there's lots of people who can make all kinds of throws,

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Speaker 1: making the appropriate throw like he did with ky Relee,

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Speaker 1: taking some temple off the ball or driving the ball

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Speaker 1: low and away on that touchdown pass, those are the

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Speaker 1: appropriate types of throws. You can't do that stuff unless

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Speaker 1: you have plans at the line of scrimmage. And so,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I was impressed by what I saw

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Speaker 1: to him with in those regards with dan Or Laski

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Speaker 1: from ESPN Football Analysts with the ESPN on the you

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Speaker 1: did on Twitter kind of a diagram Josh Allen's touchdown

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Speaker 1: pass to Ray Ray McCloud and mentioned the little shoulder

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Speaker 1: shift that he did kind of a half a pump bake.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that Josh Allen would know intuitively and

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Speaker 1: bring to the Bills or could that be something that

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Speaker 1: they've worked on with him that he's learned since he's

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Speaker 1: been here a couple of months, and truthfully it could

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Speaker 1: be either or now. I didn't see it watching his

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Speaker 1: college shape, not that he didn't have it in his bag,

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Speaker 1: It just he didn't show it a lot. Certainly, probably

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Speaker 1: something that could have been taught to him by day

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Speaker 1: Ball or a J. Mccarren, somebody like that who maybe

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Speaker 1: has a little bit more understanding experience, especially with that

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Speaker 1: kind of coverage that he saw, because you know that

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Speaker 1: kind of coverage and I said this in a Twitter

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Speaker 1: place is a combination of a cover two, which everyone

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Speaker 1: knows is two high safeties and the corners kind of

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Speaker 1: play that flat area near the sideline and to cover four,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it is just depending that the

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks they call it read or catch, where they're really

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Speaker 1: trying to see what the pattern is out of those

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Speaker 1: receivers and they try to bite you into throwing them

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Speaker 1: an interception. And what I saw with the little shoulder

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Speaker 1: tell was Josh Allen going, Okay, I know a coverage

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Speaker 1: you're in, and I know how to attack this coverage.

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Speaker 1: Watch and just that little shoulder till. I really liked it.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I thought it was executed really well.

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Speaker 1: And I said this individual as well. I needed to

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Speaker 1: be a blink faster because if that's the starting safety

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, probably gonna get there and make a

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Speaker 1: play on the ball. But the fact that he knew

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Speaker 1: it is a big deal. And then he utilized the

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Speaker 1: tool I always talk about quarterback unique tools. Utilize the

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Speaker 1: tool of vision. That's that little shoulder pump, that little

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Speaker 1: quick shoulder lean. And then I know that you looked

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Speaker 1: at Baker Mayfield's game against the Giants, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: tell me if I'm right or wrong about this, but

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Speaker 1: it was interesting that you broke down the fact that

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Speaker 1: he should have manipulated the middle linebacker on the play

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Speaker 1: so he could have a bigger window for the slant

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Speaker 1: that one that I think is Lode receiver was running

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Speaker 1: for him. He didn't do that, the window closes and

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Speaker 1: he has to scramble. Now he gets a first down

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Speaker 1: to keep the drive alive. But is that an example

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Speaker 1: of a quarterback coming from a relatively simple college offense

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Speaker 1: and now having to learn those nuances in a pro

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Speaker 1: style system or am I wrong about that? Is it

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Speaker 1: something else? No? Absolutely? No, absolutely, And that was the point,

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Speaker 1: like if I was very like really happy with the

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Speaker 1: way Baker played and what he did, and if I

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Speaker 1: was a Browns fan, I would feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: But everyone's up in arms going, oh startom. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my thing was relaxed because here's a perfect example, because

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Speaker 1: that it's a nuance, but it's not really. It's not

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Speaker 1: an ex level you wasn't You're not blown away by

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Speaker 1: somebody when a quarterback holds a middle linebacker. It's not

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Speaker 1: like wow, you know, And so it was just a

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Speaker 1: small temple of look at this is a little thing

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Speaker 1: that everyone's going on. Man fourth and two scrambles for

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Speaker 1: a first down. This guy's an incredible player. That all

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01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: sounds good, but life could be easy at the quarterback

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01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:04,280
Speaker 1: position because you're not gonna make a living as a

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01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 1: smaller quarterback running around like that and taking those shots,

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Speaker 1: and you're not going to run away from starting defenses

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Speaker 1: like that. I mean, you're just not starting defense in

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Speaker 1: the NFL or Baker Mayfield will not run away from it.

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Speaker 1: So it was just a little thing for though. Okay,

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01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 1: be really happy and encourage for what he did, but

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of room for him to grow. And

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01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 1: that's the case for a lot of young kids and

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Speaker 1: I'm really confident that he will watch that and somebody's

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Speaker 1: gonna go, hey, Baker, listen, this could be an easier

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Speaker 1: play for you. How about you hold your eyes on

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01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,000
Speaker 1: this linebacker and then he's not going to fly to

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01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 1: the slant, allow your splant to work because it's pressed man,

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Speaker 1: so it's harder for him to get open right away,

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01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 1: and you could be a little bit more patient, and

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01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 1: then you throw the ball at their first down rather

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Speaker 1: than having to feel like you gotta run for it.

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Speaker 1: So that's why these preseason reps are such a big deal,

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01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 1: is because those little things that guys got away with

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01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 1: in college, you don't get away with the NFL, not

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01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 1: if you want to be great. And so just those

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01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 1: little details are going to be really important for all

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01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks to continue to put in their bags

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01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 1: to be able to use around the line. With ESPN,

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Speaker 1: stan Ardloski spent twelve years playing quarterback in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and if you go to Twitter at dan Orloski seven,

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01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 1: you can see the videos and the breakdowns he's done

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Speaker 1: on some of these young quarterbacks, these first years quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: In Week one of the preseason, you did one on

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald of the Jets, and you write that Darnald

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Speaker 1: is not playing like a rookie. What did you see

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Speaker 1: from Darneld? What did you like about his performance? I

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Speaker 1: loved it. It was my favorite play because it's next level.

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Speaker 1: It's not football one on one. It's like football six

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Speaker 1: zero one. Because that's one of the more difficult things

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Speaker 1: to handle at the line of scrimmage is when you've

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Speaker 1: got a five man protection and justice five offensive linemen

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01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 1: are blocking and the defense is getting you. We call

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01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 1: him six threats, like, okay, all six of these guys

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01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:00,160
Speaker 1: could technically come, and I don't really know who of

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02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 1: that six isn't coming, and so you've got to kind

2524
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 1: of make a you know, film study. Educated guests roll

2525
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 1: the dice sometimes, and there's a big thing. At least

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02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm a believer and I've been around quarterbacks. You have

2527
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:14,760
Speaker 1: the same boat busses. You don't always have to be perfect.

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02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:16,720
Speaker 1: Like I said in the video, I would have loved

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02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:20,280
Speaker 1: that Sam changed the protection a different way, because you

2530
02:00:20,360 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 1: know some of the little little details at the second

2531
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:25,680
Speaker 1: there he was giving away. But as long as Sam

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02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 1: and the five offensive linemen are on the same page,

2533
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 1: you've got a chance and that's what the case was. Like,

2534
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 1: they look okay, Sam knew exactly what the problem was.

2535
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,920
Speaker 1: He knew the defensive end was going to come unblock

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Speaker 1: when he got the snaps and he realized he puts

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02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:40,640
Speaker 1: his eyes right to the defensive end, Okay, that my

2538
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:42,879
Speaker 1: running back is gonna be wide open. Now. The defensive

2539
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 1: end kind of played in between Stam and the running

2540
02:00:45,120 --> 02:00:48,000
Speaker 1: back little cat and mouse scam by him and without

2541
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 1: panicking throwing the ball away, turning and running like a

2542
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 1: like a kicking with his head gat off. Sam just

2543
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of had a Okay, you're taking that got away.

2544
02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna move on to another guy. And it

2545
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:01,120
Speaker 1: was just really really impress up to watch a young

2546
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 1: kid again within his first twenty plays in the NFL,

2547
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:07,560
Speaker 1: because that's not something USC saw about last year. With

2548
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 1: this first twenty something plays in a preseason game, understand

2549
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:13,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff, process it, and then to make the

2550
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,000
Speaker 1: appropriate play, the right play. And so I loved watching

2551
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:20,160
Speaker 1: it because, yeah, again, when you have the opportunity, when

2552
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 1: you're a young quarterback, you do that stuff, you've got

2553
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 1: a chance, like you've got a real chance. It would

2554
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 1: be good, especially when you're doing it that early. On

2555
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:29,920
Speaker 1: damn before we let you go in one question, and

2556
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:32,640
Speaker 1: it's an issue I've talked about since after a preseason

2557
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:35,400
Speaker 1: game Number one, I've been talking about it in terms

2558
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 1: of Josh Allen. But how much would he or any

2559
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:41,280
Speaker 1: of these rookies benefit from from getting a start in preseason?

2560
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,040
Speaker 1: You're playing with number ones and against number ones? Is

2561
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Speaker 1: that important do you think at this stage of their

2562
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:50,240
Speaker 1: early development. I think it's really depending on what your

2563
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:54,120
Speaker 1: organizational plan is for the season. Now you can make

2564
02:01:54,160 --> 02:01:57,880
Speaker 1: the case absolutely because if you're gonna say, well, you

2565
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,160
Speaker 1: know what Josh is in either of our starter our

2566
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: back up, well, then absolutely, because then he has the

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02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to put pads on and take the first snap

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02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 1: and prepare like the starter in the NFL football game.

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02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,720
Speaker 1: If you plan on having him as you're a third stringer,

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02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 1: I think that it'd be a disservice to your team

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02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,320
Speaker 1: if you did something if you gave him the start,

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02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 1: because those are the two guys needing as well. You know,

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02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 1: Pete Peterman and Aji mccarren need all the you know,

2574
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 1: the musclim memory and the routine memory of being that

2575
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:35,760
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. So it's just organizational preference in what your

2576
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 1: plan is for the long term, at least for that

2577
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 1: season with your guys. So there's certainly a benefit, but

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02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 1: it's you can't just be Okay, we're so focused on

2579
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 1: getting our quarterback in the perfect situation that we do

2580
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:49,920
Speaker 1: a disservice to the rest of our team and its

2581
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Speaker 1: other members. Gotcha. It's a great answer, Hey, Dan, Best

2582
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:55,320
Speaker 1: of luck. Yeah on ESPN. I hope we get a

2583
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: chance to talk some more this upcoming teason, and thank

2584
02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 1: you for spending a few minutes with us today. Absolutely,

2585
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:02,320
Speaker 1: I love coming on with you guys any time. Thank you.

2586
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 1: Dan Orlomski, former NFL quarterback twelve years with the Lions,

2587
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 1: the Texans, the Colts, the Bucks, the Rams, now ESPN

2588
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:13,200
Speaker 1: Football Anas. She can catch him on college football games

2589
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:16,880
Speaker 1: Fridays and Saturday's ESPN and ESPN two. On Sundays, he'll

2590
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:19,680
Speaker 1: be doing radio on ESPN some NFL games. On Mondays,

2591
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 1: he'll be part of ESPN's get Up Show, the Early

2592
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:27,000
Speaker 1: Morning Show. He is rocketed into the football broadcasting business,

2593
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:29,280
Speaker 1: and you can see why with answers like that. Dan

2594
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 1: joined usigned the Subway Fresh Take hotline, Subway Eat Fresh.

2595
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:35,040
Speaker 1: What do you think of that answered that last question, Brownie.

2596
02:03:35,160 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think the Bills look at Josh

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02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:39,920
Speaker 1: Allen and say he's our third. I don't know if

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02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:45,680
Speaker 1: that they do. I know he's with the two, he's yesterday.

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02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:47,600
Speaker 1: I may not see him as the three anymore. I

2600
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:49,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I think we've got to see more evidence

2601
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:52,600
Speaker 1: in the games and how he's utilized there this week,

2602
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:57,920
Speaker 1: next week, you know, before we can really peg or

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02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 1: even make an educated guess as to what the Bill's

2604
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,760
Speaker 1: plans are for him this year. We know there's a plan,

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02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 1: but I mean it is under locking KEYA, and I'd

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02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:10,000
Speaker 1: be surprised if their plan was he's going to be

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Speaker 1: our third this year. Well, let me ask you this, then,

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Speaker 1: do you think this team's keeping three quarterbacks? Yes? So

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02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 1: do I yes, call about quarterbacks from Manny and Hamburg. Manny,

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02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:19,520
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air with us, all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you, guys. My question is this, assuming all three

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Speaker 1: guys played great for the remainder of the preseason and

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Speaker 1: the regular day, when the regular season starts, we all

2614
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 1: know that the defenses get far more intricate, far more complicated,

2615
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:36,600
Speaker 1: more blitzing, etc. And in view of the fact that

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02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 1: we're playing five games on the road. Would you feel

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02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:45,360
Speaker 1: comfortable starting Josh Allen? Depends on how great he's playing.

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Speaker 1: You said there are three gonna play great. Okay, I'd

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02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 1: sign up for that instantly. Look, it depends on you know.

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02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 1: How great is great and how great is Josh Allen playing.

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02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm not even looking at September nine yet, Chris. I'm

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02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,320
Speaker 1: looking at Friday. Yeah, and I would love to see

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02:04:57,400 --> 02:04:59,600
Speaker 1: Josh start. I don't know if he will Friday, probably not,

2624
02:04:59,800 --> 02:05:02,160
Speaker 1: but i'd love to see it. But yeah, they're all

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02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 1: playing great. Yeah, that's great. It's a simple criteria, though.

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02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you, as a coaching staff, believe that

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02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has raised his level of play to a

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Speaker 1: point where he gives you the best chance to win

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02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:16,920
Speaker 1: when you go out on the field on Sunday, he's

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Speaker 1: your starting quarterback. It doesn't matter who you're playing. I

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02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 1: don't care if the schedule is tough, I don't care

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Speaker 1: if you're on the road. Does he give you the

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02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:24,800
Speaker 1: best chance to win? Yes or no? If the answer

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02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:27,360
Speaker 1: is yes, then he's got to play. It's as simple

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Speaker 1: as that. And that might be an oversimplification, but too bad.

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02:05:31,480 --> 02:05:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to do what's best for the team.

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02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:35,640
Speaker 1: If he is your best option of winning at that

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Speaker 1: position for that week, you play him. All right, a break,

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Speaker 1: some good guests today, including Leslie Fraser, the Bills defensive coordinator.

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02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:16,960
Speaker 1: Chris and I asked him about rookie linebacker Tremaine Edmonds

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02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 1: and I always progressed through these first three weeks of

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02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:24,960
Speaker 1: training camp. Tremaine, he's wise done his years. I think

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02:06:25,480 --> 02:06:28,920
Speaker 1: the sky's a limit to him. Obviously, being a rookie,

2650
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:30,760
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things you gotta go through,

2651
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:32,480
Speaker 1: you gotta see to be able to get to where

2652
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 1: you ultimately want to be. But he has the mental

2653
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:37,840
Speaker 1: makeup John to be a good player in our league.

2654
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:40,040
Speaker 1: And you know, he just has to get out there

2655
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:42,400
Speaker 1: and be in different situations and the more he sees,

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02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:45,160
Speaker 1: the more situations he's put in, the better hill get

2657
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:47,280
Speaker 1: over time because he has all the physical traits and

2658
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,760
Speaker 1: the mental makeup to be successful. Good reports from Leslie

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02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:53,280
Speaker 1: Frazer on rookie linebacker Tremaine Edmonds. We had Joe but

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02:06:53,320 --> 02:06:56,360
Speaker 1: Scalia from Channel seven WTB and Buffalo You gotta go

2661
02:06:56,440 --> 02:06:59,360
Speaker 1: on the show with us, a everyday observer here at

2662
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,280
Speaker 1: Bills training him, and he talked about rookie Josh Allen

2663
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:04,640
Speaker 1: in the quarterback competition. Here's what Joe had to say.

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02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it's more so not wanting to put his

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02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:12,560
Speaker 1: young player out in that position more than anything, and

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02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 1: putting them in positions to succeed. If if you can't

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02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:20,320
Speaker 1: go out with the threes and do the job the

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02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:22,200
Speaker 1: way that they want them too, then why are they

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Speaker 1: going to try and force them into the ones and

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02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:27,120
Speaker 1: the twos? And I think that's maybe why they're taking

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02:07:27,160 --> 02:07:29,800
Speaker 1: the pump the break approach. But you know, you can

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02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:33,760
Speaker 1: clearly see every single day the guy makes special plays.

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02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:36,440
Speaker 1: He is the most talented by a mile. He makes

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02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,560
Speaker 1: the throws that AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterman could never

2675
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 1: even think about making. Jobscot you're talking about Josh Allen.

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02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:46,200
Speaker 1: Are they pumping the brakes with Josh Allen? I don't

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02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:47,720
Speaker 1: know that they are, Chris. I mean, I think it's

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02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:52,000
Speaker 1: been kind of a calculated, processed approach. We'll play him here,

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02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:54,160
Speaker 1: we'll play with these guys this week. We've seen him

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02:07:54,240 --> 02:07:57,200
Speaker 1: yesterday move up with the twos, and maybe there's another

2681
02:07:57,280 --> 02:07:59,160
Speaker 1: move left for Josh Hellen. I don't know if they're

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02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 1: probably grapes or the breaks are being conservative with them.

2683
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:04,680
Speaker 1: Were making wine too here? Popping the grapes right, I

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02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:06,880
Speaker 1: don't know that they are. I would call it a

2685
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:09,680
Speaker 1: measured approach. I think that would be the best way

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02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:14,560
Speaker 1: that I could describe it. It's very clear that coach

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02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:20,360
Speaker 1: McDermott's methodical nature in how he orchestrates everything with this

2688
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:24,440
Speaker 1: football team is at work with the quarterback position, also

2689
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:27,440
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen. So I think everything is very measured,

2690
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:30,800
Speaker 1: and it's going to be interesting to see if there

2691
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:33,600
Speaker 1: comes a time where he has to deviate from that

2692
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:37,800
Speaker 1: measured approach. I don't believe yesterday's practice when he took

2693
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:41,560
Speaker 1: exclusively second team reps was that instance, but it could

2694
02:08:41,600 --> 02:08:44,840
Speaker 1: be a step towards that if he performs very well

2695
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:48,000
Speaker 1: in that second preseason game. I think there might be

2696
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:50,640
Speaker 1: that might be the point where coach McDermott really has

2697
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:53,520
Speaker 1: to sit down and decide with his offensive staff do

2698
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 1: we deviate from our initial plan. I saw somebody speculate

2699
02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:03,200
Speaker 1: that Josh got second team reps yesterday because um Nathan

2700
02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:05,880
Speaker 1: Peterman was banged up a little bit lighted on the shoulder.

2701
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 1: But Peterman took snaps call the reps with the thirteen,

2702
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:10,920
Speaker 1: if he's hurt, you hold him out? You don't. Yeah,

2703
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't nothing to do with it. Hey, we talked

2704
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:15,680
Speaker 1: about defense to start today's show, and that was our

2705
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,240
Speaker 1: Twitter poll to recap that. We asked you what's the

2706
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 1: biggest reason for optimism about the Bill's defense in twenty eighteen,

2707
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:24,600
Speaker 1: the inference being that most people think the Buffalo defense

2708
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 1: will be better than a year ago. On Twitter, with

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Speaker 1: more than fifteen hundred votes, forty one percent of you

2710
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:31,680
Speaker 1: say it's the addition of Tree, Meine Edmonds the first

2711
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 1: round pick. Thirty nine percent of you say it's are

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Speaker 1: you taking a bow for that one? You think I

2713
02:09:37,120 --> 02:09:39,600
Speaker 1: picked that one? You're right, this was an easy no.

2714
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Speaker 1: I'm just glad people agree with thirty nine percent. Just

2715
02:09:41,960 --> 02:09:43,720
Speaker 1: two percent less said it's the second year of the

2716
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 1: defensive system. That's what I chose, eight percent said it's

2717
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:50,960
Speaker 1: the free agent additions like Starlotulalay, Trent Murphy, Vonte Davis,

2718
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:53,560
Speaker 1: and twelve percent at something else in mind. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for your participation in that. I think we have

2720
02:09:56,200 --> 02:09:59,080
Speaker 1: time for at least one more phone call and it

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Speaker 1: is no from Phoenix. Go ahead, Noel, you're on the air. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's actually from Phoenix otherwise known as Sebast. But you know,

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02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:09,600
Speaker 1: I have in a comment I think the Bills would

2724
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 1: be a benefit to sign Dez Bryant for like a

2725
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:15,400
Speaker 1: one plus two weekals four type thing to open up

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Speaker 1: the offense with Calvin Benjamin. Yeah, um, yeah, he's visiting

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Speaker 1: the Browns on Thursday. That's probably where he's gonna end up.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like a culture fit here, I would, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much he has to to offer

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Speaker 1: really at his age and his recent performance. His play

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Speaker 1: has gone down precipitously the last two seasons. Separation is

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Speaker 1: an issue for him now. He does not get a

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Speaker 1: consistent separation like he used to. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: runs as well as he used to um. So, I

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Speaker 1: think that is clearly a player on the decline. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there's some team out there that he could probably

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Speaker 1: help and provide a fifty catch season and maybe four

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Speaker 1: or five touchdowns, but I just don't see it working here.

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Speaker 1: This is an offense that needs speed at the receiver position,

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Speaker 1: which is why they traded for Corey Coleman, and Zay

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Speaker 1: Jones can help in that regard to a certain extent.

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Speaker 1: I think people forget Zay ran a four four six,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, at the combine, and you still

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Speaker 1: have Robert Jones, who could be a developmental player in

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Speaker 1: terms of a field stretcher. So I just don't see

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Speaker 1: Dez as the receiver type that they need right now. Hey, Chris,

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Speaker 1: when we had Joe Beyond, we just got about a

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Speaker 1: minute left here, but we talked about various position groups

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Speaker 1: on offense. Where they stand, Where do we stand at center?

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Speaker 1: Is it Ryan Groy's job to lose or not yet?

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Speaker 1: Not quite yet? In my mind, he's outperformed Russell Bodine.

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Speaker 1: Certainly in that first preseason game he did and he

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Speaker 1: was the guy going against the ones. Bodine went against

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Speaker 1: the twos, We'll see if that flip flops here in

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Speaker 1: the next game. I'm presuming it will. Since coach McDermott

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Speaker 1: maintains things are pretty even there as he sees it,

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Speaker 1: I think Groy has been a little bit better. He

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Speaker 1: would be my starting center as of right now if

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Speaker 1: the set is starting this weekend. All right, eight, Chris,

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Speaker 1: thanks for this, Thanks for thanks for the vacationing Steve

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Speaker 1: Tasker part time test. We'll get you back, of course,

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Speaker 1: down the road here. We got a lot of shows

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Speaker 1: coming up over the next few weeks. The Bills have

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Speaker 1: a practice schedule at four o'clock. Got a little bit

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Speaker 1: of light rain falling right now, and as of now

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Speaker 1: that practice is still on and is not open to

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Speaker 1: the public. But tomorrow is eight forty five am. The

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Speaker 1: final training camp practice of the year coming up tomorrow

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Speaker 1: eight forty five in the morning. You do not need

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Speaker 1: a ticket. Thanks for our production assistants George Blast, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Coltonick Thomas, honald Er, Kelly Rude, j j Arito, Kevin

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Speaker 1: Krgis and James Roebel, and our producer Jay Harris. Steve

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Speaker 1: is back tomorrow. We look forward to that. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you join us our final show from Bill's training camp

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at twelve noon One Bill's Live, presented by Kalaida

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