1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: From our nation's camera. This budget thing is going to 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: do nothing. Space forts. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and politics 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: colliding Floomberg Sound On, the Insiders, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: than it looked in. President Trump was sent here to 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: smash conventional norms. In a sense, Bernie Sanders has already washed. 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: one point seven m h D two. The coronavirus infects 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: the market, stocks falling the most since August two thousand eleven. 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: On virus banks. We have the latest. We're gonna check 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: in with Bloomberg's top macro economic strategist, Cameron Christ who 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: will join us the top of the show on the phone. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Plus the latest on the race to come back brewing 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: for former Vice President Joe Biden, potentially on the on 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: the cut of a victory in South Carolina. Will get 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: the latest on the field as well, and the latest 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: from Vice President Mike Pence, who addressed conservatives today. Now 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: he is the point person on the Corona virus lots 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to get through. It's why I'm so glad Frank Massana 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: will join us. He is a partner at Bracewell's Policy 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: Resolution Group, the former press secretary to several Republican lawmakers 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill. And Dave Brown returns, Democratic strategist and 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: former advisor to Democratic Senator Patty Murray. I'm back in Washington, 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: d C. I'm Kevin Sirilli, Chief Washington Correspondent FRO Bloomberg 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: Television and Radio. We begin tonight now with our lead story, 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: that of course, is the coronavirus. And first we're gonna 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: check in with Cameron christ who is Bloomberg macro strategist 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: who joins us on the telephone. Cameron, the stock market 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: fell the most since August two thousand eleven, and it's 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: all because of the volatility injected as a result of 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the Corona virus. It's just reading now from the Bloomberg 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: terminal and our colleagues on the Markets team. They write quote, 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: global stocks plunged to four month lows, government debt yields 36 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: sunk to unprecedented levels, and crude oil extended declines as 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: anxiety over the spread of the coronavirus defen The SMP 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: five hundred tumbled four point four to close at the 39 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: lowest levels of the day. It whips alved investors earlier, 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: turning lower late after California's governor said that the state 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: was monitoring eight thousand, four hundred people for signs of 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: the virus after they traveled to Asia. Wow, that's of 43 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: course from Gavin Newsom. So Cameron. First of all, thanks 44 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: for being here. I want to play a little bit 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: of that press conference that President Trump gave yesterday at 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: the White House, only the second time in his first 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: term that he's addressed the nation and reporters from inside 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: of the briefing room. Take a listen to what President 49 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: Trump said. Here's the President of the United States. The 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: economy is very strong, and the consumer is the strongest 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: it's ever been. Our consumers are incredible there in incredible. 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: That's why we're doing well. In other countries have not 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: even before the virus. We're doing great. Other countries have 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: not been doing great. Our consumers very very strong, very 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: powerful economically. Big picture, Cameron, our recession fears back as 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: a result of the volatility in the markets due to 57 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: the coronavirus UM. I would say they're back not because 58 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: of the volatility, but they're back for the same reasons 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: that we're observing the volatility, which is that the virus 60 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: is injecting a colossal amount of uncertainty UM into into 61 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: the economy UM. And it's we know it's going to 62 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: have an impact, and it certainly looks as if the 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: impact could be UM significant. But the the sort of 64 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: a confidence band as to what it ultimately will mean 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: is very very wide, because we just don't know how 66 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: bad this thing is is gonna is gonna get. And 67 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean the irony is that is that you could 68 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: are you that the measures that you would need to 69 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: take to minimize the human cost of the virus will 70 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: exacerbate potentially the economic cost. Look at what China has 71 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: been doing in terms of locking down vast ways of 72 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: the country for for weeks on thoughts. So, I mean, 73 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I know that's opinion, but what a depressing thought To 74 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: protect people, it's going to cost a lot of money 75 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: and the stock market could go into the economy. Yeah, yeah, 76 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know it is what it is. I 77 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: mean that this is this is the sort of shock 78 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: um that we that no one currently uh trading in 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: financial markets. Has um has really been been a witness 80 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: to I mean, we had the closest I guess you 81 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: could say would be would be nine eleven, which again 82 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: was a terrible uh exogenous shock that costs thousands of 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: thousands of lives. But the potential scale of this thing 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: is is much much larger. Um, Right, let me ask 85 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: a follow up question, dig deeper with me, And this 86 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: is why camera christ is the best of what he does. 87 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: He's a macro strategist at Bloomberg LP. Camera dig deeper here, 88 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: Which specific sectors in the markets are the most exposed 89 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: to risk as a result of the coronavirus? Well, it's 90 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: it's that's actually a tough question, Um to answer, because 91 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: anyone who's dependent today, who has a supply chain, is 92 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: dependent upon inputs from China, Well you don't know if 93 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: you're going to get them. Anyone who is selling stuff 94 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: that to China, or is selling stuff to somebody who 95 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: needs things from China, you don't know if you're gonna 96 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: get it. Microsoft yesterday, Um, you don't think of Microsoft 97 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: now is as I mean, maybe you think of them 98 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: as the Windows company. But the reason that Microsoft has 99 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: done so well is because of the cloud, but they 100 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: gave a warning based on their consumer bilin. That's because 101 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: guess what Lenovo isn't isn't building computers like they normally do, 102 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: and so Microsoft isn't selling Windows packages to to Lenovo 103 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: like they normally do. I think the real nexus of 104 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: risk though, is in the credit market, because the US 105 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: companies are as indebted, more indebted than they ever been 106 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: UM in history in terms of percentage of GDP UH 107 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: spreads and yields are exceptionally low UM, So there's a 108 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: real risk I think of a dislocation in the in 109 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: the credit market, should anything even in the same zip 110 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: code of the worst case for the economy eventually. Okay, 111 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: So best case scenario is that the coronavirus, if you 112 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: read the medical reports, the best case scenario is that 113 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: it would essentially the the coronavirus would mitigate its risk 114 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 1: once the spring comes and it goes away. The worst 115 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: scenario I don't need to talk about because everyone can imagine. 116 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: Everyone's watched enough of these pandemic films to know what 117 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario would be. In terms of rhetoric 118 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: coming from Washington, in terms of rhetoric coming from Beijing. 119 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: How can Sijing Ping and President Trump alleviate some of 120 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: the market concerns? Well, I'm not I'm not sure if 121 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: they can. Uh well, I mean, I mean, let's let's 122 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: face it, uh I thinking has his concern is kind 123 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: of keeping the balls in the air, right, And it 124 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: looks certainly looks as if his um focus has gone 125 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: a bit more towards restarting the economy. So I guess 126 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. But I'm not, to be honest 127 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: with you, I'm not sure if anybody in the market 128 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: believes the numbers that are coming out of China. No 129 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: one does. No one in Washington, Rightington, Capitol Hill. How 130 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: could yeah? So right? So, uh so what can he 131 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, what what can he do? He can't. I mean, 132 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna pulled back to the curtain like the Wizard 133 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: of Oz. I don't think so. Um. And in terms 134 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: of the president, listen, and we've got like left. Whatever 135 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: you think of him, you know that his primary goals 136 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: to get elected, right, to get re elected, So I think, um, 137 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: everything that he says should be viewed through that. All right, Yeah, 138 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to leave it there. Camera Christ. I'm 139 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: so sorry. You've been so generous with your time. We're 140 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: up against a heartbreak. Uh, listen, I've greatly valued this 141 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: because you dig deep into the numbers and listen. You're 142 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: a Duke Duke guy, and I'm sorry, but Duke's out 143 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: of the top ten and basketball for the after that 144 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: loss to to Wake Forest. I don't like coach k 145 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: I gotta own it. I want everyone to know my bias. 146 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a Duke basketball guy, but I am a 147 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Cameron Christ fan. Coming up, we're gonna talk to politics 148 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: of the coronavirus with their all star panel. My name 149 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: is Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's 150 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and one oh five 151 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: point seven f M H D two. The President wanted 152 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: to make concluding the American people that we're going to 153 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: bring a whole of government approach to this. President wanted 154 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: to make it clear that what a priority this is 155 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: for him and for our administration. That was Vice President 156 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Mike Penn speaking earlier today about the coronavirus. He is 157 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: now the point person on the coronavirus, which has web 158 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: solid its way through markets injecting volatility. I gotta be honest. 159 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Severi, Chief Washington corresponded f Bloomberg TV and Radio. 160 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. You know, I'm here in Washington, 161 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: back from Charleston, and it really is uncomfortable to talk 162 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: about a virus of this magnitude, of this proportion through 163 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: the lens of Ball Street traders. But such as life 164 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: joining us with other political reality check Frank Massano, partner 165 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: at brace Well's Policy Resolution Group, and Dave Brown, the 166 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: Democratic strategistic former advisor to Patty Murray. Frank, of course, 167 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: is a Republican insider and has advised UH advised several 168 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Frank, isn't it depressing talking 169 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: markets when people are dying of this disease in China 170 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: and Iran and now we've got some cases popping up 171 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: in the US. Well, I think you have to put 172 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: everything into perspective such is my life. Have to look 173 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: at this larger picture of what's going on, and you 174 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: have to be empathetic to the needs and and and 175 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: the challenges that we face the real you know, but 176 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: here in Washington, we see everything through the political ball 177 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: which is equally as depressed. And I think that that 178 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: probably is even less impactful than the Wall Street bubble 179 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: that you're seeing it in because the Wall Street bubble 180 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: does have real impacts on you know, your four oh 181 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: one K, my college, my kids college fund and things 182 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: like that, and so, uh so, you know, we do 183 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: feel that, even though we don't feel that in the 184 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: immediate So so when I was prepping for this show today, 185 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: I was thinking of the political segment. How do we 186 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: divide this political chat in for the coronavirus into two things? 187 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: And so we'll start with the first one, which is 188 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: the the nuance of two point five billion dollars in 189 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: aid Dave Brown coming out of Congress and the bevy 190 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: of hearings that have been on Capitol Hill as it 191 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: relates to this. Now, Pence is the point person. So 192 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: there is not a rhetorical agreement, which is the second 193 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: point we'll talk about, but there is agreement around some 194 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: of the money that will be allocated from the federal 195 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: level and as it trickles down to help states better prepare. Yeah, 196 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: I think that's right, Kevin. You saw today, you know, 197 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi, Leader Leader McConnell, leader Minority Leader Schumer all 198 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: talking about the bipartisan the emerging bipartisan part bipartisan consensus 199 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: on an AID package. I think the devil will be 200 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: in the details, as you will know based on your 201 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: coverage capital in terms of what what restrictions are imposed 202 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: on that money. You saw probably the press release that 203 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Humor and Pelosi put out earlier today when they talked 204 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: or last night when they talked about the conditions UM 205 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: for for how the money would be spent. So I 206 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: think I think there is still um, you know, some 207 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: obvious political um jeopardy and and obviously the stakes here 208 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: in terms of how that that money will be both 209 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: uh appropriated but also messaged and what that means for 210 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: the administration. I think will be interesting to see how 211 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: Pence is being received now is sort of the the 212 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: lead for for the response. I think in some ways 213 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: that that politicizes the administration's response, and I'm a bit 214 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: surprised that the President named him to head that UM. 215 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: But we'll see how that checks out. Well. I want 216 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: to talk about that coming up, but seeking with the 217 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: unity for just one more seconds, two point five billion dollars. 218 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Frank Maisano and your time up on Capitol Hill. UH, 219 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: that likely will get funded, that will likely go through UH. 220 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: And that's the floor to according to most people. Most 221 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: people think that there's a there's a window between eight 222 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: and two point five billion in which they will uh 223 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: will will find a middle ground. And that's you know, 224 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: as a member, as a as a guy who was 225 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: the staffer with appropriations members over the years, you always 226 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: a this is not new. I mean, this is what 227 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: they do and in a in a crisis situation like this, 228 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: this is when they step up to the plate and 229 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: work together more than ever before. So the politics that 230 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: you're hearing around the outside, we'll get to them. It 231 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: really is just the window dressing here. Just reality is 232 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: they are going to get to this. They are going 233 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: to get the money. There won't be as many restrictions 234 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: as you think there will be, and they'll move forward 235 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: and try and reading from everybody wants a part of it. 236 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm reading from Physicians Weekly, which now we're reading Physicians 237 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: Weekly because it's coronavirus. H No, But I mean I'm 238 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: not knocking it. I mean it's really good source of information. UH. 239 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: Two point five billion dollar plan to fight the coronavirus 240 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: sent by the White House earlier this week, which we've 241 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: reported on. But let's dive into what this money is 242 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: going to be used for. One point to five billion 243 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: dollars is new funding. Five hundred and thirty five million 244 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: is going to be moved over from a bola preparedness 245 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: because they don't view a bowla as they're They're getting 246 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: money from a bowler because the administration feels that they've 247 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: correct in the issue of a bullet, so they're taking 248 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: money from a bulla. Uh. And in addition to that, 249 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be used for vaccines, treatment protective equipment. 250 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: I guess the masks. We've heard all about these masks 251 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: and how there's there's no more masks, But that's what 252 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: the money is going to be used for. Gavin Knewsome, 253 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: Governor Gavin knews some Democrat California. You know, he gave 254 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: a press conference today. Dave Brown California now really in 255 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: this just because of the cases, but you know, keeping 256 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: the politics out of it from your time up on 257 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill and appropriations. I don't I don't see this 258 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: as a fight. But how does this just explain to 259 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: our our listenerships how this money gets divvied up two 260 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: folks around the country and emergencies like this. Yeah, so 261 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean ass Frank aluded staff staff for both the 262 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: House and the Senate, the props committees, as well as leadership. 263 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: They'll be heavily involved here. I mean they're probably working 264 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: around the clock to figure out, um, what package makes 265 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: the most sense. And then obviously they're working with members 266 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: from all fifty states and and getting input from the 267 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: different agencies and ms of the types of response that 268 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: will be appropriate. I mean, part of what we're what 269 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: we're building, Kevin, and also having to to really stand 270 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: up in real time fashion is a public health infrastructure 271 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: that is designed to address this. And so California is 272 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: is a great example. Obviously, you know, the most populous 273 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: state in the nation, um, and this is what the 274 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: fifth launches economy in the world, and so they are 275 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: scrambling with their resources. But I think part of the challenge, 276 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: and we've seen this play out time and time again 277 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: with crises in this country, it's the coordination between federal 278 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: and state and local agencies in the different jurisdictions, sometimes overlapping, 279 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: sometimes very confusing. Really being able to cut through all 280 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: of that red tape and ensure that you are approaching 281 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: this in a unified, coordinated fashion that allows for public 282 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: health UH providers and officials to do what they do best, 283 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: which is to respond and contain this type of crisis. 284 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: You know it really is go ahead. Frank, Well, no, 285 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: I was just like say, I mean, look, I think 286 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: we last night at the President's pressor, you saw um, 287 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: after the President spoke, you saw what I would call 288 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: a common sense, regular response to a major issue like this. 289 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: You saw the Vice President come on, make very calm 290 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: and stayed remarks. You had um the You had a 291 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: Secretary Asar come on and talk about what we can do, 292 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: what we're going to do, how we can get UM 293 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: vaccines ready, and you had Dr Fauci come on and 294 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: talk about that. You know, those are the things that 295 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: you're going to continue to hear them talk about. All right, 296 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: coming up, we're gonna talk about the politics of this 297 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: because it appears to be a mess. And I mean 298 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: and not the Democrats didn't have that assessment. Frank of 299 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: last night's press conference, Day Brown's like dying to get 300 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: in there. UM coming up. Download the Boomberg sound On 301 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: podcast on appoligians and Bloomberg dot Com, or by downloading 302 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business App. You can also find us on Radio 303 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: dot com, I Heart Radio and Spotify. My name is 304 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. 305 00:16:49,440 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: And you're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On 306 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surlane on Bloomberg and one or five point 307 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: two step Terry Azor said yesterday, we want, we would 308 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: want to ensure that we can work to make it affordable, 309 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: but we can't control the price because we need the 310 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,239 Speaker 1: private sector to invest. It's how speaker. That was how 311 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: Speaker Nancy Pelosi speaking earlier about the budget request and 312 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: now we're going to dive into the politics. She was 313 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: being critical of how the administration is talking about, uh, 314 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: the the coronavirus. I'm Kevin s Reli, chief Washington correspondent 315 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: Fromomber TV and Radio. Frank Massado's here, Dave Brown is here. 316 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: Dave all right, So Frank gave us a little bit 317 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: earlier of the Republican of response and how he feels 318 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: they're doing a good job. I take it that you 319 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: and your Democratic friends disagree. I'm not sure, we disagree. 320 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: I think we're focused on getting it right. So you know, 321 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: the speaker talked about vaccines, spend go ahead. Can't you 322 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: just say, Christine Vats bracing I mean the speaker and humor. 323 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: When they put out that press release last night. One 324 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: of the things on there the vaccines have to be 325 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: affordable and available to everybody who needed. They also talking 326 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: they're they're looking at small businesses. They're worried about the 327 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: impact on small businesses and so making interest free loans 328 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: available for them if they're affected because folks aren't able 329 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: to come to work. There's a bigger question, though, which 330 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: is does the administration and we saw the President finally 331 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: address this yesterday during the press conference, but is the 332 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: administration taking this seriously? The CDCs has been out there 333 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: raising a red flag, but the President has been saying, well, 334 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: maybe maybe this will be a big deal, maybe it won't. 335 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: The markets clearly think it's a big deal. I mean, 336 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: we've seen how the markets have been correcting today. Um 337 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: and you know my firm are our geopolitical folks think 338 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: that did overall in the coronavirus. Virus may account for 339 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: one half of one percent of global GDP like that 340 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: is massive. So there's an economic question coupled with a 341 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: political question. And actually I think for the President they're 342 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: one of the same because we've seen how he uses 343 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: the markets as a barometer for his presidency. So as 344 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: he's looking at this, as the White House is looking 345 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: at how they're responding to this, the question of economic 346 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: performance in the country I think will be a proxy 347 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: for how well the White House is doing combating this. 348 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: And then of course too, you know, Kevin, we obviously 349 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: have a we have a sort of a history of 350 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: of public health crises in this country that have been uh, 351 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, had had brought down presidencies when you think 352 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: about um New Orleans, when you think about even Puerto 353 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: Rico with this president. So I think there are a 354 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: lot of big questions that are still open. Yeah. I 355 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: just again, I think we're looking at at this very narrowly, right, 356 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: and the political bubble is around this no matter what, 357 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: and it's on both sides. Right. The president is always 358 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: going to be a battler. He's always going to be 359 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: taking on Nancy Plosy. In that presser last night, you 360 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: notice most of the speakers didn't Most of the speakers 361 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: talked about interesting things that were preventative and when the 362 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: vaccines would be available, and how we would do things. 363 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: The president yet, in his questions and before he wanted 364 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: to lance with Democrats, right, and and and and they 365 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: came on the stage this morning and did the same 366 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: thing here. If you listen to the news, if you 367 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: watch CNN, or if you watch Fox News, or listen 368 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: to Russia Limbaugh, people are already choosing sides on this issue. 369 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: So I don't see how it's that much different politically 370 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: than we've had all along. People are choosing sides. You know, 371 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: you talk about one other thing when you talk about 372 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: the economic impacts of this. You know that last year 373 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: the trade crisis with China and other places, we're going 374 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: to be the thing that destroyed the economy, right, And 375 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: now we're hearing that this is going to be the 376 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: thing that destroyed the economy. Now. I don't want to 377 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: downplay it or minimize it, right because I think it's 378 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: important and it's something that could have a significant impagy. 379 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: But we we've been here before, just last year, and 380 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: we forget that on on this program. Literally we've been 381 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: talking about the market effects every single day of the 382 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: of the coronavirus. And so now that it's bubbled up 383 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: into a national and now it has national mainstream attention, 384 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: as it should give it the very real, very serious 385 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: health impacts just beyond the financial press world. Um in 386 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: terms of the So I hear you, and I was 387 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: telling Jonathan Farrow this earlier today on Bloomberg TV about 388 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: how in Washington the thinkers like both of you are 389 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: divorcing the idea of the budget fight and what the 390 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: money that's coming, because there isn't really a budget fight 391 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: that's happening. It's two point five billion that's going to 392 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: be made its way all throughout the country or more 393 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: or more or more. It's a blank chapel chapel, and 394 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: that's important. And the political left versus right fights, you 395 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: have to be able to divorce them. And we have. Okay, 396 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: so we talked about how President Trump versus Democrats on this. 397 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Let's just play how our House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy 398 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: speaking earlier today appraising the President. I just want to 399 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: get in some Republican as well. Here's Kevin McCarthy. I'm 400 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: hopeful that we can get this done next week. This 401 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: isn't something to wait around it's not something where Chuck 402 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Schumer should play politics with and I will give credit 403 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: to the appropriators who have been sitting in the room 404 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: making it happen. So there's Kevin McCarthy again, just signaling 405 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: if you can divorce the back and forth left and 406 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: right criticism of a Republican attack the Democrat saying next week, 407 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: next week is when the money comes for the for 408 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: the first round of funds. Come okay. So now let's 409 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: take the other political angle to this, which is how 410 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: is this playing out? Dave Brown on the campaign trail 411 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: amongst all the different candidates, obviously South Carolina coming up 412 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: this weekend, what are saying? Let me just interject this 413 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: day before you go. Yeah, of course, just on the 414 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: way over here, before on the way over here, watching 415 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: CNN to get a little feel for what they're turned 416 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: off Blinberg Television again and bird Bird and um, the 417 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: first thing I saw was a Bloomberg add a Michael 418 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: Bloomberg ad that was using the coronavirus and Trump's incompetence 419 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: on the coronavirus to talk about what he can do 420 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: to fix it. So there that's already out there. That's yeah, 421 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: that's how the former New York City mayor is I 422 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: when I's out to my Biden world sources they felt 423 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: that that was a really strong moment for the former 424 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: vice president and the Charleston debate, uh, in terms of 425 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: how he was able to talk about what the what 426 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: the Obama administration did? Dave, what else are you hearing? Yeah? So, 427 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's the right question, right, Like, 428 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: this is very much going to become issue already is 429 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: and so it's a proxy for a few things. It's 430 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: a it's it's both a platform to talk about this 431 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: president's ability to respond to a crisis and what that 432 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: means for for key constituencies across the country. We know 433 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: as a general matter that poor people in this country 434 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: are often hit harder than people with means when it 435 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: comes to two things like this, and so Democrats, certainly 436 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail will be spine shining a light 437 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: on that, and I suspect you'll also see them pivoting 438 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: to broaden the discussion, so encompassing what this means from 439 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: the context of of affordable drugs and pharmaceuticals, the fact 440 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: that vaccines were not guaranteeing them to be affordable. Now 441 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: for this what does that mean more broadly? So they're 442 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: going to use that as a pivot. I also think 443 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: that you know the budget is going to be relevant here, 444 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: can you? You well know because you've covered the president's 445 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: budget request this year. He asked for a sixteen percent 446 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: cut to the CDC for fiscal hear you, So that 447 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: gets in the weeds. But if you take it, oh, 448 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I hear it, but like talk about it to undecided 449 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: voters in South Carolina, super Lea. He's the other thing 450 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: with that though, I mean every year the president cuts 451 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: the budget no matter what, gentlemen, I got it. I 452 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: got a morphous off of this because we're doing the 453 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: food fight and I hear it, and we talked about 454 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: the food fight. I want to move on. I want 455 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: to know how this is impacting undecided voters as they 456 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: try to do. I think the country is finally paying 457 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: attention to this. You've seen the market this week. I 458 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: think you finally have the attention of the American people. 459 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: It's cutting through the new cycle, it's cutting through the noise. 460 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: So I think you should continue to ask that question. 461 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: keV asking next week the week after that, he doesn't 462 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: help Joe Biden. Here's The other interesting piece of that, 463 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it helps Joe Biden. 464 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden has got a lot of things 465 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: that are going to help him and there are a 466 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: lot of things that are going to be a drawback 467 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: for him. Um. I think Sanders people are strong, and 468 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: Sanders people are die hards, and they're going to go 469 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: out and vote. And he's been working hard and he's 470 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: got that infrastructure in place. Frank, if you can look 471 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: into experience, what do you think do you think? Again? 472 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: You know? Again, I think it helps Biden in the 473 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: experienced world, but I think we're beyond that right now. Um, 474 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: with where we are now, Look, we're at Super Tuesday, 475 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: right and there's two questions there, one which we're talking 476 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: about now, does this who? Who does this benefit? Who 477 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: does this impact? But then there's another question on Super 478 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: Tuesday that's just does this does this effect turnout? Right? 479 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: Does this affect the way people coronavirus? Yeah? Does this 480 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: scare people into not look at look at Super Tuesday. 481 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: California has already been voting for everyone and we're seeing that. 482 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it matters, but it's still worth 483 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: a question. All right, we'll coming up. We're gonna talk 484 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: all about and we're gonna die more into it. I 485 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: I agree. I mean what Panels saying, you know, I learned, 486 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: I listen. I learned, I listen, I get feedback. I 487 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: take it all into account. All right, coronavirus. Right now 488 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: it's up in the air. Who's gonna help? Who's it 489 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: gonna hur? I don't think we know. 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You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On 499 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one Old five point 500 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: seven m h D two. I feel really good about 501 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: South Carolina. I feel really good about a number of 502 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: the Southern states from Florida to Georgia and North Carolina 503 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: in the whole range of other places. Um and but 504 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: again we'll see, I'm not a pundit. I'm just I'm 505 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: just running. It's not pundent, Joe. Don't call him pundent, Joe. 506 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: That was former Vice President Joe Biden on the CUSP 507 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: this weekend of winning in South Carolina, fueled by supporter 508 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: about because the African American community. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief 509 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent f for Bloomberg Television of Boomberg Radio. Frank 510 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: Possano's here. Republican insider Dave Brown returns, Democratic strategist and 511 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: former advisor to Senator Patty Murray. All right, Dave, So 512 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Joe up, everybody else down? Now, what do you see? 513 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: Assess it? Keep it simple. It's simple, folks. Thank god 514 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is up in South Carolina. I need him 515 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: to come out of this with a double digit win. 516 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're talking about a March Matt Matt 517 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: March madness. I just need him to blunt the sender's momentum. 518 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: Heading Well, I mean, okay, so the explication is that 519 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: he gets momentum coming out of UH, coming out of 520 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: South Carolina, then you have the Joe Biden resurrection stories 521 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: on Sunday, and then you have Super Tuesday, Frank, and 522 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: so that's bad news for virtually every other moderate in 523 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: the race. Yeah, no, no, it definitely is. And in fact, 524 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: unfortunately for Pete Buddha j edges that he hasn't been 525 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 1: able to really kind of gain from those early UH 526 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: success stories that he had in Iowa and New Hampshire. Um, 527 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: you know, I think really the Sanders consistency has been 528 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: interesting to me. Right, He's been consistently at that thirty range. 529 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: And what I want to see is in South Carolina 530 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: if he can maintain that, because he goes into Super 531 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: Tuesday with all those states in a in a good 532 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: position um of being able to you know, California, play 533 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: in all those areas, and if he comes out of 534 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: Super Tuesday with lots and lots of delegates, it creates 535 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: what I would you know, like to get Dave's opinion 536 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: on it creates or or yours keV It creates UH. 537 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: It creates UH a lead that would be hard for 538 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: them to to claw back. And the question becomes given 539 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: the history of twenty sixteen and what happened with Bernie Sanders, 540 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: does that create another problem for them in twenty with 541 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: a broken convention just to get some guy, just to 542 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: give our listeners some guidance. And we've repeated this number 543 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: more times than I cared to acknowledge. One thousand, nine hundred, 544 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: one thousand, nine hundred and one thousand, ninety one. That's 545 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: the number of delegates that you need in order to 546 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: officially clinch the nomination. Dave now respond Frank, Yeah, no, 547 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: So I think Frank set this up well. And look 548 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,239 Speaker 1: on Super Tuesday, thirty of all the delegates will be awarded, right, 549 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: But Pete Buddha judge, if you were here, if his 550 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: campaign were here, they would say, yes, that's true. But 551 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: the remaining March states combined deliver twenty eight percent of 552 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: the pledge delegates. So what you're seeing with Pete, and 553 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: they put out a memo that lays out the math 554 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: on this. They're playing not a state by state strategy 555 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: heading into Super Tuesday, but it's a district by district strategy. 556 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: And without getting two in the weeds, what they want 557 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: to do is they want to hold Sanders margin so 558 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: that there's still a mathematical path for Pete coming out 559 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: into the light later March states where they are polling 560 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: shows he's playing much better. And this is where the 561 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: reporter in me calls uh word I can't say on air, 562 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: which is that means he's losing. Because here's here's the 563 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: thing that I'm curious about, not just losing if you're 564 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: not playing state by state and you're playing district batistrict. 565 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: But if you don't stop stop, if you don't win California, 566 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: if you don't win in Texas, if you don't win 567 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: a majority of the delegates, the momentum that Sanders has 568 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: Frank Massano is going to be very difficult to stop 569 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: and something that even the Democratic establishment does not want 570 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: to happen. And they did that before and and what 571 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: what kind of tension in my point is what kind 572 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: of tension does that create inside the Democratic Convention hall 573 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee? Well beyond that, and then we gotta do 574 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: we gotta move on with a quick take for the 575 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: radar is this, which is, if you're playing this out 576 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out where precisely all of 577 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: this is heading Wednesday morning, there will be incredible pressure 578 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: for candidates to drop out of the race, especially people 579 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: like I don't even want to name names, it's not 580 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: my job, but based upon my reporting, there will be 581 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: pressure on candidates other than Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden 582 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: to drop out of the race. That will likely happen. 583 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: There will also be a string of high profile endorsements 584 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: in the second half of next week, and then after 585 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: that there's going to be a fight of non u 586 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: mental billions of dollars worth proportions between a moderate or 587 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: two heading into Arizona. And when that field windows on 588 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: the debate stage in Arizona is you know, likely when 589 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: this is going to be even more specific. So that'scast, 590 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: which is buckle up for all of us. And now 591 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: it's time Dave Brown for your quick take of what's 592 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: on your radar. I'm curious to see what happens with 593 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: Congress heading into the remainder this year. They're moving the 594 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: markup of the National Defense Authorization Act in the end 595 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: of April, and I think that's interesting because it's still 596 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: like proceeding at pace like regular order, even though we're 597 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: in a presidential year. So I want to see, Kevin, 598 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: do we actually get anything passed or is this just 599 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: gonna be going through the motions or will Congress actually 600 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: continue to do its work heading into good one? Do 601 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: you what do you think? I think for something like 602 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: the n d A A, which is a must pass bill. Yeah, 603 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: you also have FISA reauthorization, which is gonna force Congress 604 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: to do something because there the stakes are too high 605 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: there and there're too many issues. Yeah. So so I think, 606 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: like what should have been asleepy Washington given coronavirus plus 607 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: plus like some of these other must pass bills, they're 608 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: actually gonna see folks maybe doing their day jobs. That's 609 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: a really good point because we all thought nothing was 610 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Dave Brown, I always learned something and wait, 611 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: we thought this was gonna be the most boring Congress 612 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: ever in an election year. And now it's it's wake 613 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: up because everywhere you turn there's something out. They've just 614 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: t me up to on that right now, that just 615 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: to Joe Manchion and Lisa Murkowski introduced their package of 616 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: Center of Energy legislation into the Senate. It's gonna get 617 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Rule fourteens right to the floor and most likely will 618 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: be passed, and you know, next week probably so you're 619 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: starting to see UM a bunch of energy legislation that 620 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: focuses on innovation, that talks about UM, you know, technologies 621 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: and advancing technologies like carbon capture and geo thermal and 622 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: those things, all those things that people tend to agree on. 623 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: You're seeing that start to move forward to So not 624 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: only will we have some successes on from December on 625 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: the tax side, when we have some successes as they've 626 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: said UM on n d A and others, we'll have 627 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: some energy successes as well. UM that that continue to 628 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: be part of what what we see in with Congress's action. Okay, 629 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna be. I actually didn't know what. 630 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: My quick take is all my radar, but this is 631 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: I gotta just there were some details in my show 632 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: prep that I wanted to get into about the coronavirus 633 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: because yesterday, yesterday was ash Wednesday, and I was in route. 634 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not making an excuse because I am a 635 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: failed Catholic, but you know, as a Catholic, I think 636 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: we're all failed. But Pope Francis has urged Catholics to 637 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: give up phones and trolling for lent. Did you know 638 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: that we can't troll anymore. Folks. Hey, you know who 639 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: am I to judge? Right? And then the other thing 640 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: is my mother back in Delco just sent me the 641 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: church bulletin from the parish I grew up with. You 642 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: ready for this? Back in Delco at St. John's, they're 643 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: not given the blood of the blood the wine because 644 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: because of coronavirus. So all politics is local. But that's 645 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: not what's all my radar? Wait? Wait, I mean, have 646 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: you noticed any impacts in your life on coronavirus? Frank 647 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: in Annapolis? None? Not even my favorite. What it impacts 648 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: my ability to watch the NN or news or anything. 649 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm being so careful right now because the storylines have 650 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: really gotten crazy. Here's what's all, my radar. Here's a 651 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: fast fact from Bloomberg Jackie Edwards. Australia has the world's 652 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: best performing stock market since nineteen hundred. Australia has the 653 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: world's top performing equity market over the past one hundred 654 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: and twenty years, thanks to its ability to largely evade 655 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: the global financial crisis. Wow, stocks down Under have a 656 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: cheese real local currency return of six point eight percent. 657 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: Since I have some assy friends and you know, I'll 658 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: give him a shout out. So there you go. The 659 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: Aussie stock market is doing is doing well. That does 660 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: it for me. Thank you. Dave Brown. Did you have fun, 661 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: Dave Kevin? I always have fun on your show. I 662 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: see he's on the record, Dave Brown. He said he 663 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: always has fun. Frank Maisana, what about you? Oh, it's 664 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: a fun as a rage against the machine cons which 665 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: is coming up in Washington. What about a Bruce Springsteen 666 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: who's gonna take us out. I'm Kevin, it's really chief 667 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent from Bloomberg TV and Radio. And you're listening 668 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: not to rage against the machine to Bruce Springsteen and 669 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: the bloom Bloomberg