1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast Wednesday, February sevent JP Shadrick, 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: John Osier and Bucky Brooks and plenty to get to, 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: including Jaguars head coach Urban Meyer setting the tone at 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: the Trevor Lawrence Pro Day, the Jags trying to move 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: on from the Chris Doyle fall out, and then some 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: additions in the player personnel department. We'll get to those 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: coming up, and our weekly look at a few pending 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: free agents and one that's already a free agent somewhat unexpectedly. 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: We'll continue our look at that coming up. Remember to 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: subscribe to the Official Jaguars Podcast Network on Apple, iTunes 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts and give us five stars. 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: Welcome in, and hey guys, what's up Bucky? You know 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: how about this teal stuff? Right? The Jaguars Twitter handle 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: had these cryptic messages the last couple of days spelled 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: out teal primary and now they've got to get twenty 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: one retweets to make teals the primary color. You wore 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: teal a lot when you played here, Bucky, Yeah, I 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: look at that. I kind of woke up to the message. 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, gonna gonna turn back the clock 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: and make Teal the primary. I'll be honest with you. 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: I really didn't know till wasn't the primary color. I 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: just thought it was kind of like throwing away. I 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't know black. It's a planet. Teal as the color. 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: But I like the Teal. I think the teal is 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: a nice look. I think it was unique and different. 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: But the uniform is so clean that I don't know 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: if it necessarily matters. There's a time where I kind 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: of like the all black. I mean, it's a lot 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: of flexibility. But if we want to make tell the primary, 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'll retweet it. I find a 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: way to retweet it after the pot. I appreciate that, 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Bucky and John, I know you're a fan of the 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Okra or the mustard some people are call it. You know, 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm the guy I like the I did like the 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: gold rest uniforms. I was all for it, Bucky on 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: Fortunately for mankind, there is a picture somewhere of me 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: in the gold mul and they all mustard and as 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: you can imagine, you can. I am looking buff as 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: the kids say, so it's it's uh, I'm fine with it, JP. 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: You know me, I'm not a mammoth uniforms guy. I 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: guess I just never You know, some of my friends 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: are obsessed with it. They can name every uniform, you know, 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 1: they can rank uniforms across the league. I guess I'm 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: fine with the deal. I you know, I sort of 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: like I didn't mind the two tone helmets. I mean, 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: it's just not a passion of mining the uniform thing. 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: But I do know this, the fans who write the 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: Ozone mail bag, the fans who are passionate about it, 51 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: great majority of them love the deal. So you know what, 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: after what this fan base has been through, if they 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: want deal, give him some teal tape. If if this 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: team wore pink and blue polka dots, as long as 55 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: they're in the playoffs, I really don't care. Yeah that 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: no offensive polka dots. But hey, let's get to our 57 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: first big story of the day. That's Trevor Lawrence pro Day. Yes, 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: I know it happened this past Friday, but it's still 59 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: causing storylines around Jacksonville, around the NFL and apparently guys 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: urban Meyer gave him options. One of those was wait 61 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: until March eleventh for the Pro day Clemson, but recovery 62 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: time of the shoulder issue would have been pushed back too. 63 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: Don't throw, He's a good enough player to be able 64 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: to do that. Or three, grabbed the ball and throw 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: a bit and the coordinator in passing incordinator wanted to 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: see you, and apparently Trevor Lawrence said, let's go, which 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: is a good sign, Bucky, and he went, all right, 68 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: looked pretty good. He absolutely looked good. I think the 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: best thing about Trevor Lawrence. We can talk about the 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: on field performance all that was terrific, but the reports 71 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: coming out about what he did and the way he 72 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: interacted and engaged with all of the personnel that was there. Uh, 73 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: they reports about him going and fist bumping everyone that came, 74 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: all the NFL personnel, um Clemson staffers talking about man 75 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: to kid just gets it. He just gets the responsibilities 76 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: that come along with being the franchise quarterback. He has 77 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: understood and he is welcomed and embraced it, and he 78 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: has a level of maturity where he thrives with all 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: those responsibilities on the shoulders on the field, and mean, 80 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how much more we were going to 81 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: gain by watching him throw, but he throws it pretty 82 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: I mean those are pretty well. Uh. Steve Smith Jr. 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: Who was on the call, just talked about how he 84 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: throws a catchable ball, meaning it's not always the fastball. 85 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: He throes the change in the curve. He he will 86 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: vary it up depending on what is needed. And I 87 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: think that is a nice sign for the playmakers that 88 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: are on the perimeter. And you'r Urban Meyer, you have 89 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: the ability to kind of coax him into performing because 90 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: your offensive coordinating, your quarterback coach would be the first 91 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: time that they see it. I think it bowls well. 92 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, we'll talk about urban flexing. Uh. 93 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: That certainly was Urban kind of letting the league know, Um, 94 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: hey man, it's the big show. I'm the big cheese 95 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: and the quarterback me. I'm sure John, if if if 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: Trevor's over there giving fist bumps to the other NFL 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: personnel guys, he's probably saying, Hey, enjoyed the s O 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: Club lunch, Thanks for coming down. I'm going to Jacksonville, right, John. 99 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the feeling we got, especially 100 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: with Urban standing in the middle of the field. Yeah, 101 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: And I guess I took it more as not necessarily 102 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: urban and you know, laying down three choices for Trevor, 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: But more I took it that they've talked a few 104 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: times and it sort of came up in the conversation. 105 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I don't think Urban was trying to intimidate Trevor into 106 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 1: doing one thing or the other. But I do think's 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: significant that they're talking and having zoom calls and and 108 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: there's dialogue. I'm wandering from Bucky on this. Do you 109 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: think there was any with Urban standing so close? And 110 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: so much has been made and this has become like 111 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: that is Paul Dead stuff with the Beatles back in 112 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: the sixties. Everybody's just picking apart the entire you know, uh, 113 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: pro day, looking for signs. But was there anything to 114 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: him standing there so close, trying to create a little 115 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: urgency for Trevor, trying to see how he would perform 116 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: within that close or was it just him talking to 117 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: Dabbo about the weather. Oh no, no, no, I think 118 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: all this by design. I think all this was about 119 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: setting the tone and creating the culture I think Urban 120 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: knew that cameras were on him, that this was going 121 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: to be broadcast not only everywhere, but in every NFL building, 122 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: and I think he was trying to create the visual 123 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: of I'm coaching my player, I'm coaching the franchise quarterback. 124 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: Let's start the tone right now. I thought it was 125 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: very interesting in the interview he talked about the three 126 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: choices that he gave Trevor, and you know how he 127 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: just kind of talked about competing, and I think you 128 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: could see competition being very central to the theme and 129 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: the fact that Trevor quickly embraced it. I mean, regardless 130 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: of what agents and quarterback coaches whatever. At the end 131 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: of the day, he appealed to the competitiveness of the 132 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: key it. And obviously we've been around great quarterbacks enough 133 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: to know that as the quarterback goes, the rest of 134 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: the franchise goes. And if he is in lockstep with 135 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: how Urban thinks about the game and winning and competitiveness, 136 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: you know everyone else is going to fall in line. 137 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: And so I think it was really great that they 138 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: were able to kind of create that chemistry and synergy 139 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: right away. I think your bowls will going forward you know, 140 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: I think to JP, that's significant is and Bucky can 141 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: probably speak to this more than me. He's been to 142 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: more pro days and maybe I've been to a few 143 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks and so have you. JP. Sometimes they feel 144 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: like the guy has been training for them forever, meaning 145 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, we went to boardles a few years ago. 146 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: It's been well seven years ago now. They talked about 147 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: how much he had trained for it, and how much 148 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: he had worked at he had worked with Jordan Palmer, 149 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: who was also Trevor Lawrences guy. This to me, Bucky 150 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: was the NFL equivalent of Trevor woke up one morning 151 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: and his mom said, hey, you gotta go throw because 152 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: there was almost no preparation for this, and he said 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: he had bed head. And he walks out and he 154 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: throws a few passes. He looks great. But there really 155 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: wasn't that woman of look, I don't need to prepare 156 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: for this. This is what I do, and I don't 157 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: need five weeks to prepare for it. I can go 158 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: throw at Disney World and look good. If you want 159 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: me to coach. Yeah, I think there was something to it. 160 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: I actually think it was great for him to do it. 161 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: I know he had only worked with Jordan maybe two 162 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: weeks before this and before everything comes out and he 163 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: gets it and kind of rips it, and I think 164 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: it was very pure, as pure as a pro day 165 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: can get. I think I think the way that you 166 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: said it where hey man, he just woke up, kind 167 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: of rolled out of bed and went to the high 168 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: school field, grabbed a couple of his fellas and tossed 169 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: the ball all over the yard. That that is exactly 170 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: what it felt like. And I also think it speaks 171 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: volumes to him that I didn't feel like it was 172 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: a show or a production. I felt like he went 173 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: out there, I'm gonna throw. He was originally just scheduled 174 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: to throw thirty passes. He ended up throwing fifty two. 175 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it around a little bit. You can 176 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: see what it is, but it's not a music blaring. 177 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: Look at me, Look at me, spin around and do 178 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: these things. I'm doing things that I would normally do 179 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: if I'm working out. And if you like it, you 180 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: like it. If you don't, you don't. But this is 181 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: who I am. You know what it was. You want 182 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: me to throw, I'll throw what's next? Okay? That's fun? Cool? 183 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: And President Bush wasn't there. That was Drake wasn't blaring 184 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: to your point, Buck, that was the Johnny Menzel scene. 185 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: No help us on the should to pass Hey man, 186 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just going through it. I think the one thing, 187 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: because we talked about not having pass on, he was 188 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: just a little lighter than I anticipated. Two d and 189 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: thirteen pounds. Um. I think that would be the one 190 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: thing that you're like, oh man, that's that's a little 191 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: life on them. But then I also wonder when did 192 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: he suffer the injury? How long ago? Like how long 193 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: does that how far back does that go? Because did 194 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: that impact his ability to get in the weight room 195 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: and do some of the normal training that he would do. J. P. Shatrick, 196 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Oh, you're the Huddle Up podcast. They're 197 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: still gonna do due diligence on the other guys though, right, 198 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they're turning in the card today. 199 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: They have to go look at him, but he may 200 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: I'll be standing in the middle of the field in Columbus, 201 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: I guess. I mean it's it's it's the bachelors, So 202 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: those guys will have an opportunity to have their um 203 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: hometown date. But I don't think that any of those 204 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: guys will get the Rose. I think the rose is 205 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: designated for Trevor Lawrence. So you've been watching The Bachelor. 206 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: Sounds like I might have watched it a few times, 207 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: or you might have. My daughter and I might have 208 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: might have tuned in and watched a couple of seasons. Plural. Uh. 209 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Let's let's move along. We can talk about Trevor all 210 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: before the draft. We've got plenty of time to do that. 211 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: But let's move along to the staff auditions. And obviously, 212 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: the big news that was the same day of the 213 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence throwing session was the fallout of the Chris 214 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: Doyle announcement and then his resignation. You know, I get 215 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: why urban Meyer wanted him on STA half From two 216 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: thousand through the draft, Iowa put out seventy five draft 217 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: picks through that system, and he was involved in all 218 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: those guys, obviously, so they have a track record of 219 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: putting players in the NFL, big guys up front, especially 220 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: out of Iowa. We get that, So I get why. 221 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: But when the announcement comes down from Prince Paula to 222 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: Alliance and all that, you had an idea that this 223 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: thing probably wasn't going to last too long, and Bucky, 224 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: they just they pulled the plug on it. He resigned, 225 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: and now it's tigning to move on. Yeah, it's tiding 226 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: to move on. And I think understanding the why why 227 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: originally he was brought on. You brought up seventy five 228 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: draft picks, but not only seventy five draft picks because 229 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: of their talent, but the way Iowa develops their players. 230 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: And so if you think about Urban stepping into this 231 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars rebuild, it's about creating a culture and a 232 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: developmental process to get the team to the next level. 233 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Having watched Chris Dole, I would say this, regardless of 234 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: whether he's a jerking on all of them, is treatment 235 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: those things. You cannot deny that what he is being 236 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: able to do in the way room has helped Iowa 237 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: produce players and play at a high level. Urban was 238 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: attracted to that part of it. I want this team 239 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: to develop. I want the big guys in particularly in 240 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: the trenches, to develop and and be able to play 241 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: at a high level. And so he was banking on that. Well, 242 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: now that you made the move, he's resigned, he's no 243 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: longer there. I think the big thing is, Okay, what's next? 244 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: What's the next? Um? What is the direction to go 245 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to that sports performance because Urban and 246 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: we have to hold him because I saw you think 247 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: he said he's committed to having the best sports performance 248 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: staff in the National Football League, and so he was 249 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: trying to do that in terms of the best developers, 250 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: the best dietitians, nutritionists, whatever it is to really help 251 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: the players. Well, what's next, who is the person that 252 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: leads the charge um in that department? Yeah, and JP, 253 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: I've talked so much about this last couple of days. 254 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I have that much more to say. 255 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: But I do agree with Bucky that this was not 256 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: about Urban trying to flaunt some concept or or or 257 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: trying to ignore some issue. You know, and you know 258 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: probably even word that that well you know what I'm 259 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: talking about. He was not tone death to what the 260 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: issues are in the country. I don't think. I think 261 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: it was really more of look a, I believe this 262 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: guy is the best and be he does have a 263 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: track record throughout his career of second chances to many, 264 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: many people, so it sort of fits his philosophy. And 265 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, it didn't work out, it didn't happen, But 266 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: I never got the idea that it was a matter 267 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: of just absolutely wanting to ignore anything that was going on. 268 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: It was far more about what he is as a 269 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: second chance person and as a person who believes in 270 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: trying to have the best possible people around him. And 271 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: so where do they go from here? I don't know, 272 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: but I do believe in listening to his conference on 273 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: Thursday that sports, performance, injury prevention, all of those things, 274 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: he believed that Chris Doyle was the right guy. So that's, 275 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure how much more I have 276 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: to say on that, but that's sort of what I 277 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: believed about the whole situation. So we'll see what what 278 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: is next over the next few weeks. I'm sure at 279 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: some point Urban will make a move if he hasn't 280 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: already that we don't already know about in that department. 281 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: You know how that goes sometimes. Now, let's there's been 282 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: some additions on the personnel side as well. Trimp Balky 283 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: has been a busy man adding some names to that 284 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: side of the hallway. Tom Gamble, senior personnel executive, Michael 285 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: Davis added a senior personnel executive. Was with Balky at 286 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: the Jets, and he'll focus on college prospects. Trip McCracken 287 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: the director of roster management, eighteen years in the NFL. 288 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: He's the lead contract negotiator, he has been in his 289 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: past that will likely be his role here. And Drew 290 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: Hughes a player personnel coordinator. He's been a recruiting coordinator 291 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: for three different SEC schools. What are you about any 292 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: of these guys? No really good staff that they're putting together. 293 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: So Gamble has always has been with Barking a few 294 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: different stops. So I think they were together in San Francisco. 295 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: Maybe I know he was there with Chip Keller was there. 296 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, So Gamble is a guy who um is 297 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: his right here man, a trusted confidante when it comes 298 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: to building the team and division. Mike Davison know really well. 299 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: He and Trent worked together with the Jets. He's been 300 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: a long time scout. He will handle a lot of 301 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: the college stuff. And so as they're trying to blend 302 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: this staff with what is already there, particularly doing this draft, 303 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: Trent wants to make sure that he has enough his 304 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: of his quote unquote guys in to make sure that 305 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: the players and the scouting evaluation is kind of done 306 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: through the way his lens, through the lens that he 307 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: has always viewed football, obviously with uh irban Meyer's input, 308 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: but that's what he's assembling. And so he's trying to 309 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: bring about guys who kind of see the game as 310 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: he sees it. And remember when Trent was with the 311 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: New York Jets. Uh, that's a Bill Parcels deal, Mike 312 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Davis Bill Parcels deal. So there's a level of toughness 313 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: and grit and those things that they're trying to make 314 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: sure that all these players have. And so that's what 315 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: they're putting together. And I think, um, you know, with 316 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: with Trip McCracken doing the cap, he obviously will handle negotiations. 317 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: And then when you talk about the coordinator position is 318 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: tying it all together. And so I think you're seeing 319 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: a mix of Trent's guys with urban guys as they're 320 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: trying to blend this department together so everyone has the 321 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: trust that they need to have with the people that 322 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: are working in the building. JP all leaves uh a 323 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: breakdown of the staff to Bucky, but I do have 324 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: one quick because you know it's far more in depth 325 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: about scouts in this league than I do. The question 326 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: I had for you, Bucky, the process that they're going 327 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: through now when you bring in personnel people, everybody involved 328 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: with the Jaguars personality people here, here, here, here, before, 329 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: and these people they obviously know how to scout, But 330 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: how big of a process it is to a learn 331 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: the language that everybody speaks, because different staffs come from 332 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: different backgrounds in and how to translate what you want, 333 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: and then how to translate over that over to how 334 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: do we find an Urban Meyer kind of player? And 335 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: I'm not asking the question very well, but I think 336 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm getting at. How long the process 337 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: isn't to mesh how much of a language barrier, if 338 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: you will? Uh, what will that process look like as 339 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: they go forward? You know, that's a really really interesting question. 340 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I wish I could 341 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: send in the meeting just in the back room and 342 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: just kind of see what the conversations are like with 343 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: Urban Balky and their respective staffs. I think at some 344 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: point you have to get everyone in the same room, coaches, scouts, 345 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: and you almost have to go down each position and 346 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: be able to clearly define what it is that you're 347 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: looking for at that position. Not only um the playing 348 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: specifics in terms of how they play, scheme fit in 349 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: those things, but what are the core characteristics we used 350 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: to call them critical factors. What are the things that 351 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: everybody has to have From an intangible standpoint, we want 352 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: these kind of guys when it comes to character, football, character, 353 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: more character. We want these kind of guys when it 354 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: comes to their overall toughness, whether it's injury history and 355 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: those things. We want these kind of guys when it 356 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: comes to leadership and the ability to blend into the 357 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: cultural as cultural fits. All of those things have to 358 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: be defined. I would anticipate that Urban takes to lead 359 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: on that, but because he's still a little new to 360 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: the NFL, Balky would kind of fill into gaps when 361 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: it comes to those things. But that takes two three 362 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: years to fully get everybody on the same page seeing 363 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: it and evaluating it and making those decisions off of that, 364 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: and so we'll see how it goes. It's just one 365 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: of those things that's the working process. I will say this, 366 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: Normally you don't see this much personnel change until after 367 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: the draft. The fact that they're bringing in so many 368 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: guys now, I mean we named off what four or 369 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: five guys. You normally don't see that in the personnel 370 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: department now, So I don't know what they means for 371 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: the holdovers, but Trimbaky and urban my are certainly putting 372 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: their stamp on what the personnel department, the front office 373 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: is going to look like going forward. All right, Just 374 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: the Huddle Up podcast, J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John 375 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: Oser and somebody's dog in the background. I'm not sure 376 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: that that is Sunday. That is Sunday. 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There's 395 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: a lot going on these days on Jaguars dot com now. 396 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm i left out Ryan Stamper, by the way. He 397 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: was added to the staff this week and former player 398 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: at Florida. He's from here right here in Jacksonville, played 399 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: for the Gators, was on the staff at Ohio State 400 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: for eight years, working along with Urban in that time 401 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: there as a player development guy. This is one and 402 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: Marcus Pollard still on staff here, and I'm sure those 403 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: guys will be working hand in hands on. It feels 404 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: like that's a similar type role and what Marcus has 405 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: been doing the last few years here. Yeah, things like it. 406 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: I don't know much about how that department will mesh. 407 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: I do know, Marcus, you know, I think he's doing 408 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: a great job on that front. I know he has 409 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: had assistance in the past, so I assume that will 410 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: mention that way. Beyond that, I completely that I don't 411 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: know much about how that is going to work. Yeah, 412 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: that's an interesting deal. I will stay in studying Ohio State. 413 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: One of the things that Irban Meyer is always taking 414 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: pride in is how his guys developed away from the field. 415 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: When you listen to him, you listen to him talk. 416 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: He's always talked about if you just come to how 417 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: your state to be a football player, like, that's not 418 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: what it is. It's about being able to put yourself 419 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: in a position to get a job, to have an 420 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: outstanding career and do those things. So in thinking about 421 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: how you move that up to the National Football League, 422 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: the player engagement program. One of the things that you 423 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: can do. We've talked off air about how can you 424 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: keep the players around the city uh three sixty five. Well, 425 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: what you do is you really build out that player 426 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: engagement program where players are not only getting what they 427 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: need to do to become better players, but you're setting 428 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: them up for life after so extending the connections in 429 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: the community so they can do internship programs, they can 430 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: do continuing education to get their degrees or massive degrees 431 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: and those things. And so Marcus Parlett has always done that. 432 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: But I know that Urban really believes in what they 433 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: did and what they established at Florida and Ohio State. 434 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: So I expect this to be a messing of those philosophies. 435 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: He wants someone that he trust, that he knows, someone 436 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: that knows what it looks like around and so I 437 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: think that's why you saw the move made Stamford with 438 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: the first coach high school here in Jacksonville. So has 439 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: some deep roots in this community for sure. Now time 440 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: for our weekly look at free agency. We are now 441 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: five weeks away from the start four weeks away. Wait 442 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: a minute, I lost a week. We're four weeks away 443 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: from the start of the league here and the opening 444 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: of free agency one. So we will pick each week 445 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: a few names and entered them about. These might be 446 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: a little far fetched this week, but their big names 447 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: and their topics of conversation. Let's start with a guy 448 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: who's already a free agent, who's already talking to another 449 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: team in the division, who has wrecked this franchise his 450 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: entire career. Of course, I'm talking about J. J. Watt. 451 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: He has been cut by the Houston Texans. He is 452 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: a free agent right now. He's talked to the Titans. 453 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: Apparently there's a lot of names out there. Bucky, you 454 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: need a strong side defensive end, right, Yeah, he certainly 455 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: would be the elder statesman that you look for. Now. 456 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: I would say he's a better player than this guy, 457 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: but he would be very similar to what Calais Campbell 458 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: was able to offer when he came over. Klais came over, 459 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: has some leadership bill leadership skills and tangible qualities for 460 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: defense that was uh, young and boisterous, So he was 461 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: kind of an elder statement and maybe kind of rain 462 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: everybody in I think J. J. Watt could offer that. Um, 463 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: he's declining as a player. He is a guy who 464 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: is more of a spot dominant layer than a guy 465 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: who can dominate for the entire game. And so I 466 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: don't know if Jacksonville is the right situation for him 467 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: and nor I don't know if Jacksonville would look at 468 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: a thirty two year old guy as part of a rebuild, 469 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: but he certainly has some qualities that you look for 470 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: because I think in terms of turning around and re 471 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: establishing a culture. He understands how to work hard and 472 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: do some of those things. I will say Klaus tried 473 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: to terrain everybody in, but that was like herd cats. 474 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: That was like hurting cats on that part. That's kind 475 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: of hard. I'll say this, Buck. You know, I don't 476 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: know that whatever j J. What brings to a team 477 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: next year, it's going to be more than what Klai 478 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: has brought here in two thousand and seven team. I mean, 479 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: he should have been defensive player of the year. Yeah, 480 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: and play great. You know, may have been defensive player 481 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: of the year that year. He was as good as 482 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: any defensive player I've covered during that year. So but 483 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: I agree with you, I wouldn't mind the J. J. 484 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: Watt signing. Uh in theory. You do wonder though about 485 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: what you said, would he to come to a team 486 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't perceive yet as a contender. I think 487 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: most veterans are going to perceive this as being a 488 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: year away because you're one fifteen, and secondly, three of 489 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: the last four years injuries for j J. One not 490 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: nearly the player he was maybe in year four or 491 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: five and six for him, So would that make sense 492 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: right now for this franchise J. J. Watt would always 493 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: make sense. But would it be a heavy pursuit type 494 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: situation where he sold out the way they did for 495 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Clays to do as a seventeen My guess is not. Yeah, 496 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: I agree with you and that I think if you're 497 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: doing the rebuild, you want to rebuild it from the ground, 498 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: if you want to do it with some younger guys, 499 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: or you want to do with some some vets five 500 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: six years in like a a Shaquille Beart would be 501 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: more of a a fit in terms of just being 502 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: young and establishing those things. A bonus Shaquille Barrett idea 503 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: a bonus name, Shaquille Barrett. I mean, but now you 504 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: got it, you got to you get to spend a 505 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: lot of yellow cake. Now that's a lot of kids 506 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: that he's like the franchise tag was fifteen eight. I mean, 507 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: that's a lot of yellow cake and chocolate icing. Like 508 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: you to bring him over, I don't know you do that, 509 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know there's a name on that list 510 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I'm all off script. But janakas out there again? 511 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: Uh he is. I don't think he's coming. He's out 512 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: there he's out there, but I don't think he's coming back. 513 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: But I just think it's interesting he's out. He's all 514 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: out again, you know, Thank you, Bucky. Let's move along. 515 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson is next on our list today, speaking of 516 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: veterans and guys who played at a high level. He's 517 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: thirty one years old. Do they have a salty vet 518 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: in the secondary to lean on? D J. Hayden is 519 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: a free agent coming up. How do you feel about 520 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Peters? I like Patrick Peterson. If Patrick Peterson moves 521 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: inside to play safety, I don't like Patrick Peterson anymore. Outside. 522 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: I want to say, you have fourteen flags where he's 523 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: been the last fourteen times it was converted ten times. 524 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: A lot of penalties on the outside because he's diminishing 525 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: in terms of as his athleticism, what his I Q 526 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: his experience. He certainly could help c. J. Henderson while 527 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: he's on the field, teaching him how to be a 528 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: great pro. I'll be intrigued if he can move to safety. 529 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: I just don't know if that's in the cars for 530 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: him down in Jacksonville. Is that an odd move? Like 531 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: UM guys have moved to safety obviously in their career. 532 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: Is it trickier to do that when you're moving teams 533 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: or not, or does that matter. I don't think he's 534 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: trickier if he's moving teams. I think a lot of 535 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: it is his connection with the secondary coach, and if 536 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: the secondary coach can teach him how to do it, 537 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: I would do the selling thing if I'm urban or whatever. 538 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: I am thinking about the Malcolm Jenkins thing. Malcolm did 539 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: it very early in his career where he moved from 540 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: corner to safety. But look at how long Malcolm has 541 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: been able to play. Patrick has to make a decision 542 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: how long do I want to play this game? And 543 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: if I want to extend my career, it would be 544 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: by moving inside. We've seen very decorated corners move inside. 545 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, some of those guys. Can he 546 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: move inside and get been vigorated by the change and 547 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: moving inside and doing some different things for maybe an 548 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: up and coming franchise, I think he would be worth 549 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: making the call. I don't know how much interest he 550 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: is going to garner on the open market at corner, 551 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: but maybe you can sell them on, Hey, this is 552 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to lead the room, show us 553 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: how to win. Take some of the experience that you've 554 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: had and show these young corners how to play the 555 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: game at a high level. What kind of guy is he, Buck, 556 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: I've I've never recovered him. Is he the kind of 557 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: guy who could embrace that? I think so. I think 558 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: he's a great guy. I think, Um, you have to understand, man, 559 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: this is this is a guy who is it really 560 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: comes from a good fabric, a good pedigree. He's very 561 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: very smart on and off the field. He's done a 562 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: lot of good things. I think he would embrace the 563 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: elder statesman role in terms of the leadership ability. And Um, 564 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, I think he has Florida routs. 565 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: He might be from Florida somewhere down there. I think 566 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: he is a Florida guy. Uh. It might give him 567 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: an opportunity to get back to get closer to where 568 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: it all started for him. The final name bart with 569 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: me on this one because I know it will never 570 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: happen for the Jacksonville Jaguars. In fact, if I had 571 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: a full head of hair tomorrow, I wouldn't be more 572 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: surprised if if this next player was playing here. Right, 573 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: But it's the it's one of the big names of 574 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: this offseason. Dak Prescott, quarterback Dallas Cowboys. I know it's 575 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: not going to happen here. What in the world's going 576 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: to happen with Dak Prescott? This is an interesting This 577 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: is an interesting one because this has been a back 578 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: and forth for maybe three years. The Dallas Cowboys should 579 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: have liked Dak Prescott up early. They could have had 580 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: him at a very affordable play. They could have had 581 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: him in the mid twenties, maybe thirty at the max. 582 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: When now they're sitting at a situation where he's on 583 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: his second tag. That tag would be a little north 584 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: of a thirty seven million dollars and if they tag 585 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: him again with the forty four percent kicker, that puts 586 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: him at fifty for fifty four million on year three 587 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: of the tag. So here, here's the thing, JP. So 588 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: they offered him a deal where it would have had 589 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: a hundred and five and guarantees if he plays on 590 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: three straight tags he would make a hundred and twenty 591 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: two million dollars before hitting the open market. Uh, he 592 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: has all the cards. I know. On the other side, 593 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: it seems like the Cowboys like, oh, he's coming off 594 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: to Andrew, what is he going to do. They don't 595 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: pick up the phone until you start talking about forty 596 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: million dollars annually. So he didn't do what however he 597 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: wants to do it. But whatever it looks like, at 598 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: the end of the day, someone is going to pay 599 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: him a lot of money. And the Cowboys could do it. 600 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: But if they don't do it, somebody else is gonna 601 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: pay a bunch of money. Yeah, oh, we lost John. 602 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: We lost John something profound, and he was so profound 603 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: the football guys didn't wait a minute. Safe can't handle this, 604 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: So we'll get John back in the moment. We'll continue 605 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: on the Huddle Up Podcast here though. By the way, 606 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson from Pompano Beach, Yes, yeah, of course went 607 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: to l s U one of the great players in 608 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: that school's history. And John Osier is jump back in 609 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: now the magic of podcasting on this Huddle Up podcast, 610 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: j P. Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osier is back with us, 611 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: and your comment was about to be so epic that 612 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: the Internet couldn't hold it. John, Well, yeah, it's quite 613 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: a comment. I can't see paying Dak Prescott that much. 614 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: I like him as a quarterback. I'm with Bucky in 615 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: this environment right now, somebody will but boy, for a 616 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: guy who I think is very, very good but not elite, 617 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: that just shows you where the market is gone. How 618 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: many playoff wins? You know, there's a faction of the 619 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: Twitter verse they would tell you their quarterback wins are 620 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: not a stat He'll say, what is negotiation time? He'll 621 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: say his regular season records pretty good? Yeah, I'm in 622 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: that faction. To me, if a quarterback gets you there, 623 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: gets you to the playoffs, you know, I'm fine with that, 624 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: especially considering what Dallas did without him. I think he's 625 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: really really good and really important that franchise. But boy, 626 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: is that going to do a number on your past. 627 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: But that's it's not my problem. It's not my problem. 628 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: It is it is going to do a number. I 629 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: would say that the Cowboys are being penalized for going 630 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: backwards when it comes to the process. They decided to 631 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: pay the running back into wide receiver before the quarterback 632 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: in and whatever football landscape, that doesn't typically makes sense, 633 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: but here they are. And because they misplayed it, I mean, 634 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: the consequences are I mean severe, because either you pay 635 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: him or you don't pay him. And after watching them 636 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: play without him, it is a huge difference when he 637 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: is not on the field for them. But those are 638 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: the names we got to today. Appreciate you guys delving 639 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: into that. So, John, what have got coming up this 640 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,239 Speaker 1: week on the site? Uh? Yeah, good question. That I 641 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: will be speaking to Charlie Strong for an ozone podcast. 642 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 1: What I cannot reveal yet because I don't know yet 643 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: is exactly what day that will run, but we'll put 644 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: it out on social and make sure people know about it. 645 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward. I have not spoken to Charlie Strong 646 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: and about twenty eight years. I'm sure he remembers me finally, 647 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: as most people do. He was an assistant of Florida 648 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: when I was coming University of Florida, long before I 649 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: knew a young Bucky Brooks who had the Jaguars in 650 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: the championship. Wow, I'm excited about the Charlie Strong deal. 651 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: Just haven't read his comments. You just talked about how 652 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: are in lockstep and they've had a lot of success 653 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: together and so with him being Urban's number two, he's 654 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of responsibilities. There's both of those 655 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: guys learned a new league. But I will say the 656 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: defense if if if the defense can play anything like 657 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: those Florida defenses played when they were together. Man, look out, 658 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: good things happen. You know they had some good players 659 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: down there in those times, for sure. Bucky, what about you? 660 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: You got coming up this week? More mock drafts, more 661 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: path to the draft. Moved the sticks all the month. Yeah, 662 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: more silliness, more stilliness when it comes to my drafts. 663 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: I think the big thing, uh just finished top five 664 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: position less, but one draft asked a lot of intriguing names, 665 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: a lot of positions and players of interest, particularly for 666 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: the Jags, And so we'll put that out. A lot 667 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: of a lot of tape running over over the course 668 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: of the weekend. But yeah, we're good. It's grind both 669 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: for Bucky Brooks these days leading into the NFL Draft. 670 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: Then John O's you're senior writer Jaguars dot Com, Bucky Brooks, 671 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: NFL media analyst, I'm J P. Shadrick, and we will 672 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: huddle up again next Wednesday.