Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This is the podcast all
Speaker 1: about the choices we make and where they lead us.
Speaker 1: Remember when I promised you guys that we would talk
Speaker 1: about some man stuff. Well, June is men's health month,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to have a conversation dedicated to this
Speaker 1: important topic because I know we have male listeners out there. Hello,
Speaker 1: I love you, and we have a lot of women
Speaker 1: who have male partners or you know, you just have
Speaker 1: a guy in your life that you care about. I
Speaker 1: have a certain man in my life and he gets
Speaker 1: me so riled up on the subject, the taking care
Speaker 1: of oneself subject. So he is going to join us
Speaker 1: for this episode.
Speaker 2: Hello, babe, Hi honey.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we are kind of different when it comes
Speaker 1: to our health, you know, taking care of ourselves, and
Speaker 1: it has several times now I think, become just like
Speaker 1: a little rift between us. It usually goes a little
Speaker 1: something like this. I say, honey, hey, you know you
Speaker 1: should have that neck issue checked out maybe, or have
Speaker 1: you had a physical lately, or you know, prevention it's key,
Speaker 1: and you'll say, well.
Speaker 2: You know, my neck actually feels better. I'm feeling fine,
Speaker 2: and who has the time to go to the doctor.
Speaker 2: It's too much?
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, as you can see, this is why I
Speaker 1: get a little irritated because I care about you and
Speaker 1: selfishly I want you around in my life for a
Speaker 1: long time, and it would be incredible if you would
Speaker 1: put a little effort into staying healthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very important subject I get.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hopefully our guest today can give me a little
Speaker 1: backup here. You know what, I'm actually used to this
Speaker 1: with the girls. If I say something sometimes they don't
Speaker 1: really hear it, but if someone else says the same thing,
Speaker 1: it's like a revelation. So, babe, get ready for your
Speaker 1: aha moment. Our guest today is a Board certified surgeon.
Speaker 1: A frequent guest on The Today Show. He is an
Speaker 1: associate professor at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine.
Speaker 1: He specializes in treatments of disorders affecting the large intestines
Speaker 1: and is highly skilled in a range of procedures, including colonoscopies.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's just a general wealth of health knowledge.
Speaker 1: Please welcome doctor Cedric McFadden to the I Choose Me Podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi, Doc, Hi, doctor, how are you.
Speaker 1: Oh, we are good. Believe me. We are so glad
Speaker 1: that you are here. Because this is like the age
Speaker 1: old question, why do men not go to the doctor
Speaker 1: as much as women?
Speaker 3: That's an age old question with an age old answer.
Speaker 3: The many for that. Let's face it, women are more
Speaker 3: used to going to the doctor. In fact, we kind
Speaker 3: of start women off as early as they're late teens,
Speaker 3: kind of get into that habit of going for a
Speaker 3: yearly and so it's embedded into the culture that women
Speaker 3: go to the doctor and men don't. When I was
Speaker 3: eighteen or when I was twenty, no one said you
Speaker 3: need to go for your yearly checkup. It's just not
Speaker 3: something that we're embedded to do. So I think that
Speaker 3: starts off the pattern. And I think because of the
Speaker 3: fact that women when they are child bearing age and
Speaker 3: when they have children, it's already you know, you're going
Speaker 3: to the doctor quite frequently during that time, and then
Speaker 3: afterwards it's built into coming back to the doctor for
Speaker 3: that So you know, we've we've created a space to
Speaker 3: where women are very welcomed and are expected to go
Speaker 3: to the doctor, and men we just don't put that
Speaker 3: expectation there there's no space. Do we do that?
Speaker 1: You're so right? Well, how do we change that?
Speaker 3: You Well, I think it starts by just making sure
Speaker 3: men to understand where they're vulnerable, right. It starts by
Speaker 3: understanding that we have to put these whether it's pre college,
Speaker 3: where it's your home from college, or whether it's just
Speaker 3: you know, you got a new job, you got to
Speaker 3: be checked out for you. We have to put some
Speaker 3: things in place that just allows men to know that
Speaker 3: this is the time to go. And by having conversations
Speaker 3: like we're having today and maybe changes that one person
Speaker 3: out of talk.
Speaker 1: Right, beib, Did anyone ever have a conversation with you
Speaker 1: as a young man, it's time to go to the doctor.
Speaker 1: You need to go get a check up. Did that
Speaker 1: ever happen for you?
Speaker 2: No? But it was you know, it was sort of like,
Speaker 2: you know, the stereotypical my mom. If something anything happened
Speaker 2: to me, my mom would take me to you know,
Speaker 2: got to go to the emergency right now or urgent care.
Speaker 2: Urgent care was big. I feel like I had a
Speaker 2: Z pack every month if I was sick or something
Speaker 2: like that. There's like, oh you got sick, I'll just
Speaker 2: take a Z pack and that's.
Speaker 3: How men get to the doctor when they have emergency.
Speaker 2: But my dad, my father never went to the doctor,
Speaker 2: yeah at all. He still doesn't, and he's seventy six.
Speaker 2: He's like, nothing's wrong with me. What do I need?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how we find out the problems. And
Speaker 3: you know, you have that fall off of the ladder,
Speaker 3: or we have that car accident, and then you get
Speaker 3: to the doctor, it's like, oh, we're gonna do an
Speaker 3: X ray. Oh, this is what we see, And then
Speaker 3: that often starts conversations about what happens next. So I
Speaker 3: like to say, in whatever way you get to see me,
Speaker 3: we'll take it unless use as a springboard to make
Speaker 3: sure that you're okay in other areas as well.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. How would you suggest that women such
Speaker 1: as myself get their male counterpart to go to the
Speaker 1: doctor just for a general checkup, Like, I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure he's all good and that
Speaker 1: we're going to livel together in health and prospero.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get anyone in trouble.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go ahead, It's okay, get him
Speaker 1: in trouble, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, so let's let's just first of all, say that
Speaker 3: it never serves well to preach, But I think we
Speaker 3: learn more by following the example. So if you are
Speaker 3: scheduling your yearly visit with your doctor, perhaps say you know,
Speaker 3: I scheduled my visit today, what days good for me
Speaker 3: to schedule yours?
Speaker 2: That's a great idea.
Speaker 3: It's very unassuming. It takes onus off of him for
Speaker 3: having to make the call, but it also gets it done.
Speaker 3: So that's an easy way to do it to where
Speaker 3: it's just scheduled and it's not saying you need to
Speaker 3: do it, say hey, I didn't mine, when do you
Speaker 3: want me to do yours? It keeps it open and
Speaker 3: it also makes him pick a day, and if it's
Speaker 3: ignored revisited, that's.
Speaker 1: A great idea. I mean that's what happens with us.
Speaker 1: I go keep myself checked up. I'm very proactive about
Speaker 1: my health and about prevention, and I'm always saying to him,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? How can you make sure that
Speaker 1: you're healthy?
Speaker 3: M m?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know I go to the dentist regularly.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good start.
Speaker 2: That's a doctor that it's a doctor. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I'm just an example of many, you know, because
Speaker 2: I just turned forty three. You know, I don't think
Speaker 2: I've had a checkup since I was thirty eight, well,
Speaker 2: definitely before COVID, so thirty eight, thirty nine, somewhere around there.
Speaker 2: So you know, just especially you know, prostate conversations are
Speaker 2: out and about as you know, I mean, I have
Speaker 2: a lot of friends that you know. Now it's it's
Speaker 2: more of an open discussion. You can talk about your
Speaker 2: health with your your male friends. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I hang out a lot of sixty year olds and
Speaker 2: so so.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of how are you feeling? Yeah, how
Speaker 1: s your health?
Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely, I mean it's definitely more open now
Speaker 2: for discussion than it probably was when I was definitely
Speaker 2: in my twenties or thirties even, you know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of come to the forefront.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's such. That's that's that's great.
Speaker 2: Now now easier said than done, because I haven't done anything.
Speaker 1: You talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is great, go preach it. Yes, everybody
Speaker 2: should do this.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's ask the doctor when should they start
Speaker 1: with their checkup? So tell us how they should go
Speaker 1: about doing this.
Speaker 3: So I think as early as early twenties, it's a
Speaker 3: good time to establish a relationship with the doctor. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like wanting to get to know someone before
Speaker 3: you get really involved in that relationship, before you perhaps
Speaker 3: get deeper into that relationship. It's helpful to establish relationship
Speaker 3: because you're going to need to visit a doctor for
Speaker 3: different things in life. If you need the antibiotic, it's
Speaker 3: helpful to have the relationship so you can pick up
Speaker 3: the phone and have a conversation about what do you
Speaker 3: need to be doing. So I think earlier then later,
Speaker 3: starting twenties, make sure you're up to date with any
Speaker 3: medications that you need, any immunizations. If you're traveling, you
Speaker 3: know yourself certain and it's also depending on your family history,
Speaker 3: you may be at risk for other problems, right, so
Speaker 3: you know establishing you know what was the health of
Speaker 3: my parents, You know that have heart problems over there
Speaker 3: are a history of cancers that may influence when you
Speaker 3: start testing and looking for problems, and so that's important
Speaker 3: to establish I think early on in your twenties. Now
Speaker 3: as you get older in your thirties and in your forties,
Speaker 3: those needs become a little bit more pronounced. Right you're
Speaker 3: likely gone at some point. If you have insurance, you
Speaker 3: have a job, they're going to probably say, hey, let's
Speaker 3: get some blood work, right, So you're gonna check for diabetes,
Speaker 3: You're gonna check your cholesterol levels, You're gonna be checking
Speaker 3: your blood pressure and perhaps even getting an EKG by
Speaker 3: your thirties and certainly by your forties. And so it's progression,
Speaker 3: but it starts, I think, by establishing that relationship so
Speaker 3: that that can help dictate which way the conversation goes
Speaker 3: when testing and screening's done. And so you don't wait
Speaker 3: until the car breaks down. You're repairing small things as
Speaker 3: it goes along. So it doesn't add up on.
Speaker 1: That makes that makes great sense, doesn't it. You got
Speaker 1: to repair your car, babe. It's rattling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a rattle. Yeah, I gotta I got
Speaker 2: no rattles right now, but I need to need to
Speaker 2: prevent the rattle.
Speaker 3: We want to prevent. You want to change before there
Speaker 3: is a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get the all change the transmission looked at.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. You said, find a
Speaker 1: doctor in your twenties. For me, personally, it's always been
Speaker 1: overwhelming to find the right doctor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's tough. It can be tough because now there
Speaker 3: are so many options now people have not even just locally,
Speaker 3: there are people that now because since COVID, we do
Speaker 3: a lot of virtual visits, mental health therapist, even just
Speaker 3: your family doctor. Many people do this as a form
Speaker 3: of practicing medicine like telehealth. Telehealth. Absolutely so I recommend
Speaker 3: number one, if you have insurance, to start with that
Speaker 3: because obviously there's a network of doctors. Within that group,
Speaker 3: it shuts down and kind of creates a small pot
Speaker 3: to choose from. After checking within your network, asking your
Speaker 3: family and friends you know who you go to, who
Speaker 3: do you like? They may know your preferences that can
Speaker 3: help say where this big good fit for you. And
Speaker 3: in the age of Google or any of the other
Speaker 3: web searches, you know reviews are out there and spend
Speaker 3: some time. Just like you look for a painter or
Speaker 3: look for a mechanic, sometimes looking through Google reviews or
Speaker 3: things like that can help you narrow down the search.
Speaker 3: And let's face it, the first doctor you can go
Speaker 3: to may not be the one that you have for
Speaker 3: the rest of your life. But I think starting that
Speaker 3: relationship allows you to identify those initial problems.
Speaker 2: I mean do we have a doctor?
Speaker 1: We don't have a doctor. I have a cardiologist, I
Speaker 1: have a guynecologist, or head hormones specialist, I have a
Speaker 1: brain doctorin yes, dermatologists, all the things, but not just
Speaker 1: at a general practitioner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that general practitioners like I've referred to before.
Speaker 3: It's like the quarterback. They're going to help dictate all
Speaker 3: the other pieces. So if you need to have that
Speaker 3: heart doctor, if you need to have the orthopedis that
Speaker 3: family doctor, that intern is, or that primary care doc.
Speaker 3: They're going to help you navigate the space because you
Speaker 3: mentioned it can be very confusing. Do I need to
Speaker 3: see this kind Do I need to see that specialist? Well,
Speaker 3: that's the benefit of having that primary care team that's
Speaker 3: going to help you navigate that space that can be
Speaker 3: very complex.
Speaker 1: We need a quarterback, babe, we don't have a quarterback. No,
Speaker 1: this is this is not going well. How can we
Speaker 1: play if we don't have a quarterback? No, okay, we
Speaker 1: got to get a quarterback. That's number one. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about what are the silent warning signs
Speaker 1: that men ignore.
Speaker 2: It's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's several of them. I'm going to start
Speaker 3: with the ones that really get to us, the signs
Speaker 3: and problems of your heart. One of the signs that
Speaker 3: men can sometimes ignore is just fatigue. You know, if
Speaker 3: you are finding that at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: or even before the end of the day, you're completely
Speaker 3: wiped out to where you don't have the energy to
Speaker 3: engage with your family the way you did before, that
Speaker 3: could be signed there's something going on, perhaps with your heart,
Speaker 3: perhaps with your thyroid, and so fatigue is one of
Speaker 3: those real signs that it's not just you're getting older
Speaker 3: or you've had a busy day. It's the consistency that
Speaker 3: you're noticing on more and more fatigued and tired, give
Speaker 3: a sign of a name you maybe you're losing play
Speaker 3: that you're not saying. So fatigue is definitely a sign
Speaker 3: that you cannot ignore. Another is an easy one of
Speaker 3: just you know, you used to be able to walk
Speaker 3: up and fight the steps, and now when you do that,
Speaker 3: you're completely with it. Your short of breath, you know,
Speaker 3: exhausting to where you can't catch your breath, and so
Speaker 3: that's the warning sign that something's not quite right. In
Speaker 3: my world, I'm a cold rectal surgeon, so one of
Speaker 3: the other side, or changes in your body right to
Speaker 3: narrow down on the cold regular space, changes in your stool,
Speaker 3: changes in your bathroom habits, whether it be stool or urination,
Speaker 3: Any change whether it be the frequency that you're going
Speaker 3: or the or the output that you're seeing, the consistency,
Speaker 3: the color, all those things, whether it be urine or
Speaker 3: your number two activities, that's a that's a flag and
Speaker 3: that's something that you shouldn't ignore. Well.
Speaker 2: Also a lot with gut help, right, that's kind of
Speaker 2: being talked about more when we watched the documentary on
Speaker 2: Netflix that was really interesting about just about your gut
Speaker 2: in general, that we really don't think about how it works,
Speaker 2: how much you know, your food goes through and then
Speaker 2: it you know, captures the good stuff and then filters
Speaker 2: out the bat. I mean, I think gut health is
Speaker 2: very important.
Speaker 1: Especially for men.
Speaker 3: Nothing more likely talked about now more likely talked about.
Speaker 3: I mean, we we we've seen a lot of talk
Speaker 3: about bloating, and we just always have just bloated. I
Speaker 3: think there's a whole TikTok craze about, you know, the
Speaker 3: bloated gut and people understanding now that it's okay to
Speaker 3: talk about it. It used to be an embarrassment. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm bloated of gas. It's so effected to who you
Speaker 3: are as people.
Speaker 2: Did you talked about it last night? As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I believe what did we end up with you?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Because as you get older, sayings change, and especially for
Speaker 1: women as you go through menopause. I believe that you know,
Speaker 1: digestion is such a huge symptom of menopause. Like I've
Speaker 1: been having new challenges. Let's just say, as I've gotten
Speaker 1: a little bit older that I never had before.
Speaker 2: Always something.
Speaker 3: But you're not alone. You are absolutely not alone. That
Speaker 3: is very common. I hear so many of my patients
Speaker 3: come in even after we've talked about the problem they
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about. We'll parlay, if not even from
Speaker 3: the cell, the family members that are with them, about
Speaker 3: their gut about you know, I'm having more gas, or
Speaker 3: I can't eat food the same, or I can't process it,
Speaker 3: or my bathroom habits have changed. I mean, that's very common,
Speaker 3: and I think we all realized how common it is.
Speaker 3: It would be less taboo than it is right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when we first got married, got together,
Speaker 1: we keep things very private. When it comes to that department,
Speaker 1: the digestion. Let's just say I have.
Speaker 2: To go to a different restroom in the house.
Speaker 1: We have he has his routine. Everybody knows about it,
Speaker 1: even though you think you're hiding it from everyone.
Speaker 2: But very early, doctor, your routine is messed up. It's
Speaker 2: good to have a root. I like a routine. You know,
Speaker 2: most men, you don't want to break that routine. You
Speaker 2: break that routine gets broken somehow, then yeah, then we're
Speaker 2: talking to a doctor.
Speaker 3: And so everybody has a different routine. So as long
Speaker 3: as you don't compare your routine and expect the same
Speaker 3: as yours, then you may be okay. But when you
Speaker 3: notice it's changing that routine, then you got to pick
Speaker 3: up the phone and say there's a problem something.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at fatigue. We're looking for if your
Speaker 1: winded just doing normal activities that you would normally be
Speaker 1: able to do. We're looking at changes in your digestion,
Speaker 1: changes in your output absolutely and your routine. Changes in
Speaker 1: your digestive routine. Those are all pretty silent warnings.
Speaker 3: And pains also, whether that be chest pain or shoulder
Speaker 3: pain or back pain. Now, these are your bodies sitting
Speaker 3: in you kind of red flags that there's something that's
Speaker 3: not right. Pain should not be ignored, it should be explained,
Speaker 3: and it should be understood.
Speaker 1: I've been I've had a situation, you remember this where
Speaker 1: I was just doubled over in pain and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: there's something terrible is happening to me. I'm having an
Speaker 1: appendix thing or something ruptured inside the way. Yes, and
Speaker 1: it was just gas, like trapped gas under inside my organs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so but again, just understanding that allows you
Speaker 3: to live a life. But if you have that pain
Speaker 3: and we don't know why you're having that, good, we
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening here, right, And that's when we
Speaker 3: took the danger zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we want to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: colon cancer because it is the number one cause of
Speaker 1: cancer death for men under fifty. What do you have
Speaker 1: to say about that? Should men start looking at their
Speaker 1: colon health at what age and how.
Speaker 3: So recently that that age changed? Everyone always remember a
Speaker 3: fifty as that magic age. But we were starting to
Speaker 3: see more younger patients, younger people with colon cancers, and
Speaker 3: not just colon cancers, but advanced colon cancers. So that
Speaker 3: recommendation is now, at the age of forty five, you
Speaker 3: should have your first screening for corectal cancer. Unless there's
Speaker 3: a family history of these problems, then you're probably going
Speaker 3: to start that testing, maybe even as early as ten
Speaker 3: years before that family member started having their problems.
Speaker 2: Interesting talking about these things as men. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here listening about the screening and stuff. I'm coming
Speaker 2: up on forty five. I've got it, like the screening process.
Speaker 2: So even just hearing that as a man, you go, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you don't need to screen me. I don't even know
Speaker 2: what that is. I don't even know how I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get screened.
Speaker 1: What's a screen?
Speaker 2: How do you screen?
Speaker 3: Oh? My god, it's not as hard as you think
Speaker 3: it is. And there are many ways in which we screen.
Speaker 3: I mean, most people think about the colonoscopy. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of videos and TV shows they made fun of
Speaker 3: the colon It's kind a bad rap. It's one of
Speaker 3: the easiest tests you'll ever do, one of the best
Speaker 3: maps you'll ever have.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. Yeah, I've had a colonoscopy and
Speaker 1: I quite enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I did okay, Yeah, see, I had I had something
Speaker 2: in my head that when I was little, I had
Speaker 2: to get you know, I had to drink the chalk,
Speaker 2: to put a camera down to look at my stomach, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 2: and like even like thinking about a screening for colon
Speaker 2: I mean, that.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like a good time to you.
Speaker 3: And then but here's the other thing. If if you
Speaker 3: are an average risk, meaning you don't have family history
Speaker 3: of colon problems, where you're not having symptoms, et cetera,
Speaker 3: there are other tests that may be allowed. I mean,
Speaker 3: you've seen the camercials. Now for the poop in the
Speaker 3: box test.
Speaker 1: Wait what go back?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: Poop in the box?
Speaker 3: You just take a little box, a little thing you
Speaker 3: put in your toilet, You take a specimen and you
Speaker 3: send it to the company and they for colon cancer.
Speaker 3: And so there is no colonoscopy. And again that's for
Speaker 3: persons who are average risks, who don't have symptoms that
Speaker 3: you can poop in the box.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm going to make you poop in
Speaker 1: the box later.
Speaker 2: Ben, you know, yeah, well not later, so tomorrow morning,
Speaker 2: keep it on the routine.
Speaker 3: He actually he actually may want the colonoscopy.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, now that we hyped it up so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually have new new tests coming out now
Speaker 3: where there are I think we're going to get to
Speaker 3: the point where screening is like a blood test, like
Speaker 3: you check for your cholesterol. That a part of that
Speaker 3: screening could become, you know, just checking your blood to
Speaker 3: see whether or not you are having signs or potential
Speaker 3: changes that could indicate you're r at risk. And so
Speaker 3: I think there are lots of options, but it starts
Speaker 3: by having that conversation with idocrat, like I don't want
Speaker 3: to have the colonoscar or I don't want to do
Speaker 3: the prep, but you may not have to. Maybe other
Speaker 3: things we can do. Let's just talk about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're we're talking about colonoscopy, We're talking about
Speaker 1: colon and pooping in boxes. Is all very very good information.
Speaker 3: Stuff.
Speaker 1: I want to know. Is the prostate check different than
Speaker 1: the poop in the box or coolonoscopy?
Speaker 3: So the prostate check is a little different now. Most
Speaker 3: people traditionally think that the finger in the bottom filling
Speaker 3: for the prostate, right, and it's a small glen, it's
Speaker 3: at the base of the bladder. But here's the key
Speaker 3: screening for prostate cancer doesn't necessarily involve the finger in
Speaker 3: the bottom, so many people don't go to get the
Speaker 3: exam because they don't want to have to finger in
Speaker 3: the bottom. If you're getting screened prostate cancer, recommendations from
Speaker 3: the American Neurological Association is a blood test ASA.
Speaker 1: No coffee, so no, no, turn your head and cough anymore.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no no, that's not necessary to look for
Speaker 3: prostate cancer. So if that's holding.
Speaker 1: You back, I bet that's holding a lot of people back.
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.
Speaker 3: And with all these cancers, the sooner we find it,
Speaker 3: the better you are, the better the outcomes are. So
Speaker 3: you know, it just starts by having that conversation with
Speaker 3: you doctor.
Speaker 1: That's the key, though, right, don't you think, doctor Rufaden.
Speaker 1: It's it's prevention. It's knowledge and prevention because there's so
Speaker 1: much we can do now with modern medicine.
Speaker 3: And there's so much information out there, and a lot
Speaker 3: of information it is good. A lot of information is good,
Speaker 3: whether it be from social media or whether it be
Speaker 3: from the you know, well known sites over the Internet.
Speaker 3: But a lot of information is not good, and so
Speaker 3: it's important to identify kind of the good sites the
Speaker 3: reliables for evidence based or the sites that you know
Speaker 3: that you can take to the bank, as opposed to
Speaker 3: just one person's experience that then becomes dogma.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is good information right here, people
Speaker 1: that we're giving you take key. Yes, yes, I feel
Speaker 1: so lucky to have you here. This is a crazy subject.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about a rectile dysfunction?
Speaker 3: It's not a crazy subject.
Speaker 1: I guess you're saying, we got to talk about it, right,
Speaker 1: We got to.
Speaker 3: Talk about it because you know, let's face it, by
Speaker 3: the time men are in their fifties, you know that
Speaker 3: percentage maybe up to fifty percent of manual experience some
Speaker 3: form of rectile dysfunction. And I think the misnomer is
Speaker 3: that it's immediately just the problem with the penis. And
Speaker 3: in reality, when we have a rectilis function, one of
Speaker 3: the first things that your doctor should be looking at
Speaker 3: is what else is happening with your body? Right? Is
Speaker 3: this a sign of having a problem with your heart? Right?
Speaker 3: We need blood flow to perform, but if there's an
Speaker 3: issue with blood getting to where it needs to perform,
Speaker 3: that may be the problem that we need to identify
Speaker 3: and address. Wow.
Speaker 1: I never thought there.
Speaker 3: Are signs of symptoms, take the focus I think from
Speaker 3: that area to what's happening with your body? What else
Speaker 3: is going on that can be consured. But it's quite common,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't always mean that it's you know, a
Speaker 3: terminal event.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good, that's good. I like that message. What
Speaker 1: about a lot of conversations about receiving hairlines? Is there
Speaker 1: anything you can do from a medical standpoint, or maybe
Speaker 1: it's a supplementation or diet to sort of help with that.
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing to do is to recognize it early.
Speaker 3: Many of the treatment options that are available, they will
Speaker 3: tell you the results may be better if initiated early
Speaker 3: in the process. So I mean, I shave mind. So
Speaker 3: this is exactly that.
Speaker 1: Looking nice by the way, but if you.
Speaker 3: Start from this and wanted to get where he is,
Speaker 3: we're going to have some challenge, right, So you have
Speaker 3: to when you initially see that either there is balding
Speaker 3: on the crown or there is thinning up the hair
Speaker 3: or receiving hairline, that's the time there to initiate some
Speaker 3: form of treatment, and there are many. There's some over
Speaker 3: the counter options that you can do that don't require
Speaker 3: a prescription that sometimes take six to twelve months to
Speaker 3: see results, and it can be effective at allowing here
Speaker 3: to regrow and perhaps become more full. And then there
Speaker 3: are prescriptions and there are procedures that people can do,
Speaker 3: whether it be implants, whether it be you know, a
Speaker 3: whole list of things that dermatologists and other specialists can
Speaker 3: help you with. But the key here is to identify
Speaker 3: it early and to act on it early. But know
Speaker 3: that it's very common obviously is you get older, it's
Speaker 3: gonna happen to most men and women by the fact
Speaker 3: that women will also have some degree of thinning as
Speaker 3: they get older, and so it's a part of life.
Speaker 3: But as we choose ourselves, like you're the title of
Speaker 3: the podcast, it's one of those things that we're going
Speaker 3: to say, this is important to me, Let me seek
Speaker 3: and let me know identify options that can help.
Speaker 1: I love that. Tell him that what you always say
Speaker 1: about your.
Speaker 2: Hair, Oh, like why I think I have good hair? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you know, yeah, I have big hips so and
Speaker 2: I was blessed with a high crack so and you know,
Speaker 2: to counterbalance that I got good hair.
Speaker 1: So he thinks it's one or the other, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he got the big hips. So he's gonna have good hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, then I have a high crack. They
Speaker 2: used to call me high crack in baseball in college.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I so you know that that's my theory.
Speaker 3: Where did this come from?
Speaker 1: This is his theory.
Speaker 2: I have a theory that you can't have it all.
Speaker 2: You can't have it all. You just can't have it all.
Speaker 2: So you know, Brad Pitt's got something wrong with him.
Speaker 2: We just don't know, like you know. So you know,
Speaker 2: so I've got some bigger hips down there, and I've
Speaker 2: had you know, I can't you know, I could never
Speaker 2: sag in high school.
Speaker 1: But you have good hair.
Speaker 2: But I have decent hair. Yeah yeah, so I have
Speaker 2: decent I was blessed with decent hair. Also my grandfather.
Speaker 2: I think it comes from your grandfather, your mother grandfather's side.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a myth, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Is that a myth?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I've certainly heard that. I know that genetically,
Speaker 3: if if your father has experienced part of baldness, you
Speaker 3: are I think one number I saw it was, you know,
Speaker 3: five to six times more likely to have that as well.
Speaker 3: So there is a genetic link to it in some way.
Speaker 3: But hey, if you're blessed, you know, we take blessings
Speaker 3: of all shapes.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm maybe I'm gonna go maybe I'm going to
Speaker 2: go bald.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 2: Ill, my dad is definitely receding victim.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay. I would ask, what is one
Speaker 1: piece of advice that all men should take away from
Speaker 1: this conversation today.
Speaker 3: So I think the biggest piece that I want men
Speaker 3: to take about take away from this conversation is that
Speaker 3: I want them to understand the importance of just talking
Speaker 3: about their problems, talking about not only just the physical problems.
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about mental challenges that we can have.
Speaker 3: It's often one of the things that men suppress and
Speaker 3: don't share as much. But being open to talk about problems.
Speaker 3: And that's why I like establishing relationship with a doctor
Speaker 3: because to me, that is just the great foundation that
Speaker 3: helps us sustain our lives and have a really longevity,
Speaker 3: have longevity with our lives. And so just talking about
Speaker 3: it with the doctor that you're comfortable with that you
Speaker 3: can talk about your what your hip to hear ratio
Speaker 3: or you're pooping in the bogs, or your mental health
Speaker 3: job having those types of conversations early and throughout your
Speaker 3: life can really help you have so much fulfillment data.
Speaker 2: I think the mental health, I think that's just huge,
Speaker 2: yeah right now, especially with men, especially with older men.
Speaker 2: Like I said, you know, I spend a lot of
Speaker 2: you know a lot of time with you know, guys
Speaker 2: in their fifties and sixties, like off of these these people,
Speaker 2: and you know, to see even those men talk about
Speaker 2: mental health and just discuss it is it's wonderful to
Speaker 2: see and just how are you feeling, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: How you really feeling?
Speaker 2: How are you really feeling? And it's more of like,
Speaker 2: you know, not great today, and then that conversation goes further,
Speaker 2: you know, So it's that's really nice to see. And
Speaker 2: it's you know, as you said by example.
Speaker 3: But they're also not suffering in silence. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's it's a community that allows them to not feel
Speaker 3: alone and help them feel connected so that they can
Speaker 3: be well.
Speaker 2: And also with even on the you know, physical side too,
Speaker 2: a lot of men, you know, if something's hurting them,
Speaker 2: they'll just prolong it, not say anything, probably not to
Speaker 2: tell their spouse because if if I tell you Oh,
Speaker 2: I've got something wrong with me. What are you going
Speaker 2: to do? Just kind of hammer it, hammer it, hammer it?
Speaker 2: So what's just not say anything at all? So I
Speaker 2: think that that is another hurdle.
Speaker 1: Wait what do you mean by hammer? Hammer?
Speaker 2: Hammer?
Speaker 1: And I'm confused? What do you like if you tell
Speaker 1: me something's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I'm like, oh, well this is hurting me.
Speaker 2: You're going to be like, well you need to get
Speaker 2: that checked out. Well, no, it's not that serious.
Speaker 1: So then you're still going nagging.
Speaker 2: Not no, And I didn't mean it like that, but
Speaker 2: you're going to.
Speaker 1: I just want to help the people that are hearing this,
Speaker 1: because this is not just a conversation that you and
Speaker 1: I would have.
Speaker 2: Right, I think that across the landscape of you know,
Speaker 2: in a relationship, and you know you're very concerned about
Speaker 2: me if something's.
Speaker 1: Hurting you, I'm sure you to go be proactive.
Speaker 2: To absolutely, But sometimes I'm just telling you I don't
Speaker 2: really need to go or I don't want to go.
Speaker 2: But I also think that that's that's what this conversation
Speaker 2: is about.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So so I think in that case, an
Speaker 3: option could be maybe making a mental note of that complaint,
Speaker 3: maybe circling back around, maybe not in that moment, just listening, okay,
Speaker 3: my back a sorry. Maybe it's a week later you say, hey,
Speaker 3: are you having more back pain? In very just sort
Speaker 3: of conversational manner following up on whatever that complaint was,
Speaker 3: because there are certain issues that you'll have just for
Speaker 3: a day. Some of you have for a few days.
Speaker 3: But if something's experienced for a week or two months,
Speaker 3: six months, then we know we're dealing with something more serious.
Speaker 3: So maybe just coming back around to it to say, no,
Speaker 3: you mentioned last week your backwards sty you still have
Speaker 3: any problemts with your back, and just leaving it open.
Speaker 1: Do you think that men should take supplements or vitamins
Speaker 1: or think about their diets.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. A daily vitamin, is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think diet and what we put in
Speaker 3: our bodies super important, right It connects our gut health
Speaker 3: and all the things that we've talked about. I think
Speaker 3: if our diets are are balanced, if what we're eating
Speaker 3: is I don't think we have to focus as much
Speaker 3: on the supplements right now. There are many examples of
Speaker 3: medical conditions that require supplements. Right if you've had certain
Speaker 3: surgical procedures. We have other medical issues, they may say,
Speaker 3: you know, you need to have the B twelve, you
Speaker 3: need to have the vitamin D, et cetera. So your
Speaker 3: medical history may dictate what you need. But for the
Speaker 3: average risk person, the average person, I think just a
Speaker 3: balanced diet, eating the colors of the rainbow, eating a
Speaker 3: balance of you know, your fruit, your veggies, all of
Speaker 3: those things, more vegetables than meat. You know, those things
Speaker 3: will allow you to get those nutrients, those vitamins in
Speaker 3: them without having to spend a whole lot on extra supplements.
Speaker 3: The times they're necessary and useful, but I think we
Speaker 3: tend to rely on them more than just eating well.
Speaker 2: On that, I have a question about that. I remember
Speaker 2: a lot of people I still do it, the interminute fasting.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? I mean, I tried
Speaker 2: it for a while and I actually liked it, and
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of on this, Like I don't really
Speaker 2: eat between like eleven, or I eat from eleven to seven,
Speaker 2: and I don't really try to eat at night.
Speaker 1: You're on a camera right now and microphone, so I
Speaker 1: just want you to know.
Speaker 2: That I'm lying. He's like, but definitely, I like I
Speaker 2: try I try to eat from eleven to seven. I
Speaker 2: try to keep it in that range and try to
Speaker 2: eat sensibly. But is is that another kind of wisetail
Speaker 2: with the fasting or.
Speaker 3: Fasting has many benefits. I think to rely on it though, however,
Speaker 3: as the maintenance plan is probably not I think realistic
Speaker 3: in the long term. You know, if you're people use
Speaker 3: fasting for seasons or periods for for you know, health,
Speaker 3: but to rely on it for every single day for
Speaker 3: the rest of your life may not be practical because
Speaker 3: as you travel, as you go and there's gonna be
Speaker 3: times you're going to need to you're a different time
Speaker 3: zone and you're eating. You have to have that flexibility
Speaker 3: to know that it may be a part of what
Speaker 3: you do. I mean, I know several people that will,
Speaker 3: you know, several times a year they'll do a fast
Speaker 3: for either spiritual reasons or for just the mental component
Speaker 3: of it. And so it may be a part of
Speaker 3: your routine, but now it may be it's not the
Speaker 3: basis of your routine. That becomes just sort of a
Speaker 3: branch of what you do to maintain your health.
Speaker 1: May I ask you some of our listeners questions, Yes, okay, great,
Speaker 1: Mackenzick would like to know what would you suggest to
Speaker 1: counteract the effects of falling testosterone levels in older men?
Speaker 3: So there are you know, I always start with talking
Speaker 3: with your doctor to see kind of what are the
Speaker 3: other variables and factors with your health, right, that's the
Speaker 3: first thing we should establish. And there are several medications
Speaker 3: that can be provided, prescription medication. I know you can
Speaker 3: find a lot of these commercials either in you know,
Speaker 3: on the internet or on television about taking these testastrum supplements.
Speaker 3: Those may not be regulated by the FDA. So asking
Speaker 3: your doctor about are there prescriptions and are they're balancing
Speaker 3: or are they checking my labs to make sure I'm
Speaker 3: responding appropriately, because if they're checking blood work, they should
Speaker 3: see changes. Are we getting the right dose in the
Speaker 3: right you know way? Do I need an injection? Do
Speaker 3: I need a pill? Do I need a crane? All
Speaker 3: of those things and in what ways is that low
Speaker 3: testosterrum influencing my life? Am I fatigued? Do not have
Speaker 3: the stamina in the gym or at home? I mean,
Speaker 3: all of those things will influence Am I on the
Speaker 3: right does and am getting in the right way with
Speaker 3: the right frequency.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation around menopause right now, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: and a lot of talk about estrogen and adding estrogen supplementation.
Speaker 1: It's quite a controversial subject. Is it kind of the
Speaker 1: same thing for testosterone for men?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Low T, Yeah, low T.
Speaker 3: It doesn't get the same attention. I've seen several advertisements
Speaker 3: on television regarding low T. Now we're having the conversation more.
Speaker 3: But it is equally important. It is equally important because
Speaker 3: it can influence, just like menopause, so many aspects of
Speaker 3: your life that aren't just what you think it's about.
Speaker 3: It's about the way you feel, the way your energy is,
Speaker 3: the way you're processing throughout the day mentally. So you're right,
Speaker 3: it absolutely is just as important.
Speaker 1: And the best way to find out if you have
Speaker 1: low testosterone is a blood test.
Speaker 3: It's a blood test, right so your doctor kid can
Speaker 3: can order and they can follow it to see if
Speaker 3: your body is responding to the administration of whatever supplements
Speaker 3: they may be providing for you.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, Okay, you want to read this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. At MPa seven eight one one.
Speaker 2: How long should I let pass between checkups?
Speaker 3: Everybody has a different frequency. There's some of my patients
Speaker 3: that I want to see them every three months. There's
Speaker 3: something I need to see yearly for just all comers
Speaker 3: average risk at least every year or two, and depending
Speaker 3: on what the problems may may not be, that frequency
Speaker 3: may need to be increased. So you may need to
Speaker 3: see them once a year or twice a year, but
Speaker 3: at least on average every year or two. You need
Speaker 3: to be checking in for just a physical exam, blood work,
Speaker 3: looking for a low blood counts, looking for your cholesterol numbers,
Speaker 3: may be checking your heart the things that you're not
Speaker 3: going to perhaps see right away, checking your thyro levels
Speaker 3: and making sure you're up to date with all the
Speaker 3: screenings where they we prostate lung cancer, all those types
Speaker 3: of things, making sure you're up to date with those.
Speaker 1: Okay, someone would like to know Ray Ruez three three eight,
Speaker 1: would like to know what is better sauna or steam
Speaker 1: room and are there benefits to either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there are some published reports about how sitting
Speaker 3: in a sauna can help lower blood pressure, how obviously
Speaker 3: it can help with the muscular skeletal system, but the
Speaker 3: benefits are widely researched and published. I think there's probably
Speaker 3: a preference of which you prefer whether you want to
Speaker 3: sit in moisture or do you want to sit in
Speaker 3: dry heat and create that moisture. I think after a
Speaker 3: workout there's definitely some you know, relaxation of just having
Speaker 3: them lifted or run and just having a moment to
Speaker 3: just decompress. But there are some help benefits that are
Speaker 3: published with infrared saunas. But I think it's probably a
Speaker 3: preference of which you prefer of sitting in sort of
Speaker 3: the steam versus singing dry heat.
Speaker 2: I have a side question on that, doctor, I've been
Speaker 2: looking into cold plunges. Do you have any knowledge on that?
Speaker 2: I mean I've heard.
Speaker 1: Everything everybody's talking about the cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the circulatory system, you know, the benefits inflammation
Speaker 2: cox Yeah, because I've for me personally, I've had, you know,
Speaker 2: some neck stiffness in the next and you know, I
Speaker 2: think it was a lot of stress and then hurting myself.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about I heard someone told
Speaker 2: me and then I looked them up like a cold
Speaker 2: plunge with do you write what what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean you I saw what was that video?
Speaker 3: Was that Lebron dump them? Yeah? Yeah? And you can
Speaker 3: find cryo therapy facilities popping up everywhere everywhere. I think
Speaker 3: it can be a part of the equation. As always,
Speaker 3: I always say talk with your doctor before you make
Speaker 3: any decision like that. But I don't think that done
Speaker 3: in you know, a frequency of one time a week,
Speaker 3: one time a month, whatever that frequency may be, that
Speaker 3: you're in any danger. But the published report talk about
Speaker 3: the release of toxins and getting rid of the oxidative
Speaker 3: stresses in your body. I don't think it's going to
Speaker 3: be the cure all to all the problems. But I
Speaker 3: also don't think it's going to really hurt, right facilitate
Speaker 3: its use to actually use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not doing it. I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to go in cold water. It's
Speaker 1: just not I did that was for show. I had
Speaker 1: to do that, But I don't think I'll ever do
Speaker 1: that again.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna fill the baths up up with
Speaker 2: some ice.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of ice. Yeah, give it a shot.
Speaker 1: How about you ask him this one.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a good one. Doc at Diamond Dot photog,
Speaker 2: how do we get our wives to let us play
Speaker 2: more golf for our mental health without guilt?
Speaker 1: I think he is at diamond photo.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, this is a great question. A
Speaker 2: lot of men want to know. I know I'm one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Well, and so let's substitute golf for any activity that
Speaker 3: you enjoy, that you provide that provides you some mental benefit.
Speaker 3: We lead stressful lives and we have to have outlets
Speaker 3: to release that stress, to recenter, and also to have
Speaker 3: time with friends. That's very important. And the balance comes
Speaker 3: and I'm sure my wife's listening to this, it's going
Speaker 3: to shake her head. The balance comes because you have
Speaker 3: to I'm just gonna say he didn't say that out loud,
Speaker 3: but I didn't know. The balance comes is you have
Speaker 3: to take care of all of it, right, So you
Speaker 3: have to have that balance with your friends and be
Speaker 3: able to play golf or run or swim and whatever
Speaker 3: your activity. But also you have to come back around
Speaker 3: to your partner and be able to balance that with
Speaker 3: their time. And so I think if you can manage
Speaker 3: you know, we've spent our date night Friday night. I
Speaker 3: said date night Friday or your Wednesday or whatever that
Speaker 3: time is, and now I need the time to have
Speaker 3: with my friends or to realize it's a part of
Speaker 3: your health, right, you have to fill your tank and
Speaker 3: you have to be able to have that friendship which
Speaker 3: is super important for your own mental health. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you like that answer?
Speaker 2: Did you hear that answer?
Speaker 1: I heard them. I heard them loud and clear. You
Speaker 1: got to fill your tank.
Speaker 3: Did you both hear the same thing or different things?
Speaker 1: Did you hear the balance?
Speaker 2: Here's the thing with golf, and I think for a
Speaker 2: lot of men, I think it checks a lot of
Speaker 2: boxes and just like a four and a half five
Speaker 2: hour time frame and then you're done. You check your
Speaker 2: social box, you check your activity, you check being in
Speaker 2: nature for your man, and you know, and then there's
Speaker 2: some stigmas around it where you know, people are drinking
Speaker 2: too much in excess and screwing around. But yeah, in
Speaker 2: all those boxes get checked with just one simple activity
Speaker 2: because you're right, you go out, you you know the
Speaker 2: social aspect that you are with friends, you are talking
Speaker 2: about a game, you're in nature. So yeah, I thought
Speaker 2: that was a great answer.
Speaker 3: Doctor.
Speaker 2: Now, if you're on a golf team, you need a
Speaker 2: little bit more, you know, time to practice and kind
Speaker 2: of you know.
Speaker 1: He's a professional golfer. I don't know if you know.
Speaker 2: I'm not professional, but I'm on a team.
Speaker 1: Where we're going to work on a balance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that just brings me to my last question
Speaker 1: here from Jeordie Stevens ninety four. Mental health super important.
Speaker 1: Let's get men talking about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get men. Men don't always show the same
Speaker 3: signs that they are having challenges for the mental health
Speaker 3: and women. They may not cry, but they may appear
Speaker 3: more angry. They may not lash out, they may become
Speaker 3: more reserved or withdrawn, and so it's balance and understanding
Speaker 3: the signs, and they may not even be aware of
Speaker 3: the signs. As you get older, as life changes, you react,
Speaker 3: and whether it be as you get closer to retirement,
Speaker 3: or as your kids go off to college, or as
Speaker 3: wherever those things are, those things in your life can
Speaker 3: affect your mental health. So it's first letting men know
Speaker 3: that you are not alone, that creating a support system
Speaker 3: that can help get them through these moments, and then
Speaker 3: seeking professional help. If these are spilling over into your
Speaker 3: life where you're not sleeping well, you're not performing well
Speaker 3: at work, you're lashing out at the family, all of
Speaker 3: these things can indicate that we need to seek more
Speaker 3: help and and and and not suffering silence, not suffering science.
Speaker 3: I think that's that's super important that men know that
Speaker 3: they have to support not only their families, but their doctors,
Speaker 3: mental health specialists especially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just so beautiful that the stigma
Speaker 1: is lessening now and that people are talking about it
Speaker 1: with each other, just having the conversations about how are
Speaker 1: you feeling and are you happy or are you feeling
Speaker 1: good about things?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: I think those are just important conversations that we don't
Speaker 1: often have.
Speaker 3: So sometimes it gets the way men that are brought
Speaker 3: up not show your emotion, be.
Speaker 1: Tough men, don't cry, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Don't cry. And in reality we create a culture where
Speaker 3: men are suffering in silence and we are tear in
Speaker 3: that away one conversation like this at a time. So
Speaker 3: so definitely thank you for bringing that one up.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh, thank you so much for giving
Speaker 1: us your time and answering all of our silly questions
Speaker 1: and our serious.
Speaker 3: Questions, great questions.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor, Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bye.
Speaker 2: Doctor mcvatt, Bye doctor bye.
Speaker 1: He was a delight, he was great.
Speaker 2: I love doctor mcvadden.
Speaker 1: I want to hang out with him, Well do you.
Speaker 2: I would love to go to South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could go golfing with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you golfer.
Speaker 1: So, honey, how did all that land for you?
Speaker 2: I thought it was great. You know, I do need
Speaker 2: to take my health a little bit more seriously. I
Speaker 2: do need to be proactive preventative. We don't have a doctor.
Speaker 2: We have to find a doctor. And that's another thing.
Speaker 2: It's just taking time to better yourself, to get ahead
Speaker 2: of stuff. You know, I'm in my forties now. I
Speaker 2: didn't really need to think about that in my thirties,
Speaker 2: or I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Guess I should have.
Speaker 2: I think it's all good stuff that we need to
Speaker 2: break that stereotype for the mail, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that is great. You heard his
Speaker 1: messaging and it kind of resonated with you about it
Speaker 1: that it's important for you even you need to choose
Speaker 1: yourself sometimes.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I love the colon Ascoby talk. I
Speaker 2: mean that got me fun stuff.
Speaker 1: Got you excited?
Speaker 3: Yeap?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'm sorry. I know it's rough being a man, isn't.
Speaker 3: It so hard?
Speaker 1: Well, mission accomplished, I guess right. Thank you, honey for
Speaker 1: coming on the pod and being so open to these conversations.
Speaker 3: My pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Love you, I love you.
Speaker 1: Again. A big thank you to doctor McFadden joining us today.
Speaker 1: I think that both Dave and I learned a lot,
Speaker 1: and I hope you did too. In honor of Men's
Speaker 1: Health Month, as we continue to choose ourselves weekly here
Speaker 1: on our podcast, I want you to mentally check in
Speaker 1: with your body. And I don't care what gender you are,
Speaker 1: may and woman, whatever you are, this is for all
Speaker 1: of us. Have you been ignoring a persistent ache or pain.
Speaker 1: Have you been putting off a checkup appointment, Well, this
Speaker 1: is your friendly reminder to make sure you choose to
Speaker 1: listen and love your body, which means make sure it's
Speaker 1: operating in top shape. I love you and I want
Speaker 1: you to stick around for as long as possible. Thanks
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