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Speaker 1: have beat Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: When do we have Crystal? Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: interesting stories to get to this morning. The terrible terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible pull numbers for Joe Biden and the administration writ

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Speaker 1: large heading into the midterms keep coming in. I keep

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Speaker 1: started feeling like, well, we've probably covered enough polls, and

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Speaker 1: well we got to talk about this, So we'll bring

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Speaker 1: you all the latest there. There's a new war of

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy. The very latest there, we'll bring you up

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Speaker 1: to speed. The latest high ranking official to acknowledge the

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Speaker 1: which you definitely don't want to miss. Stephanie Rule over

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Speaker 1: at MSNBC has some quite interesting things to say about

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Speaker 1: inflation and what is going on there. We've got Ken

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Speaker 1: Clivenstein in studio to talk about his latest breaking news

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Speaker 1: with regards to maybe one of the primary reasons why

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Speaker 1: but we wanted to start with some stunning new jobs numbers.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line here, guys, is the great resignation continues. We

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Speaker 1: had record breaking numbers previously. We just had another month

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Speaker 1: that broke the record yet again. Let's put Heatherlong's tweet

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Speaker 1: justin a record, four point four million Americans quit their

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Speaker 1: jobs in September twenty twenty one. So far this year,

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Speaker 1: thirty four and a half million Americans have quit, millions

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Speaker 1: more than anything we have ever seen before. The next

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Speaker 1: The great resignation is picking up speed. She references a

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Speaker 1: Washington Post article here that has some of the stunning details.

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Speaker 1: First of all, just wrap your head around the fact

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Speaker 1: that that number four point four million Americans is three

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Speaker 1: and that comes on the heels of another month when

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Speaker 1: So look, there are obviously a variety of factors at play,

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Speaker 1: But from that Washington Post piece, let me just read

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Speaker 1: a period when coronavirus cases were spiking, creating childcare and

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Speaker 1: Many other workers, meanwhile, were lured to other jobs because

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Speaker 1: Once again, biggest increases in resignations coming in lower paid jobs.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about entertainment and recreation, you're talking about education,

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Speaker 1: Churn in the labor market happens at the very beginning, obviously,

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Speaker 1: They're the ones who just had a whole long, big think.

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Speaker 1: But we also have to think about on the other

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Speaker 1: this manifest in all sorts of ways. There was another

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Speaker 1: It's not just that you've had frontline workers whose lives

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Speaker 1: And some people may be saying, hey, if we can

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Speaker 1: say that the infrastructure Bill and the Build Back Better

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Speaker 1: Plan are popular, way more popular than the Democrats are.

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Speaker 1: The plans are way more popular than Joe Biden. The

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Speaker 1: Lord knows Kamala Harris, either one of them are or

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Speaker 1: their administration's handling of these issues or whatever. However, we

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Speaker 1: all know that at this point these things have been

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Speaker 1: stripped down to bare bones, so that when they do pass,

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Speaker 1: it's not like Americans are really going to particularly know,

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Speaker 1: they just don't care around the margins a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Might you know? If you if you're one of those

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Speaker 1: people who it helps you get childcare, it helps your

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Speaker 1: kid to go to preschool or whatever. I mean, those

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Speaker 1: things are not going to get fully implemented for a

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Speaker 1: while either. So it's not like this is going to

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Speaker 1: rescue Democrats. It's too little, too late. That's the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: It's way too little, And they should have done at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the administration and when they had political capital,

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Speaker 1: when they had that goodwill, when they could keep the

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Speaker 1: momentum going. Instead of waiting around to get Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: on board with your infrastructure plan, they should have just

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Speaker 1: done it. And at this point, you know, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to see what is ultimately going to save them. And

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Speaker 1: just to underscore once again how bad these numbers are

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Speaker 1: right now. The Tea Party wave when I ran for

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Speaker 1: Congress and got obliterated, Republicans had a three point edge

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Speaker 1: on the generic ballot. Three points, yes, now it's ten,

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Speaker 1: Like that's as trying to take your score, Like the

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Speaker 1: magnitude of what this looks like. This is why we're like,

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Speaker 1: oh well, we definitely have to cover this because the

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Speaker 1: numbers are just horrific. They're eepopping and look, polls can

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Speaker 1: be outliers, margin of air. It's early. Factor all of

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Speaker 1: those things in. But the difference between three points and

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Speaker 1: the Tea Party wave in twenty ten, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: redistricting has made the landscape worse for Democrats and realignment

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Speaker 1: has made the landscape worse for Democrats in terms of

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Speaker 1: how much of a hill they have to climb and

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Speaker 1: how much they have to win the popular vote by

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Speaker 1: in terms in order to win the House. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's dire for them, very very dire. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and move in here for the GOP. As

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Speaker 1: you said, Denver, underestimate the GOP's ability in order to

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Speaker 1: shoot itself in the foot. There's been a little squabble

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Speaker 1: which I find very very interesting, around the future of

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party kind of try to track these twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four trends and all of that. And the one

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Speaker 1: you might have seen in cable news, which actually is

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Speaker 1: worth delving a little bit into, is the current spat

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Speaker 1: between Chris Christy and Donald Trump. So you guys will

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Speaker 1: recall Chris Christy was the first establishment Republican or sorry,

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Speaker 1: the second, I believe after Jeff Sessions, when he dropped

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Speaker 1: out of the Republican primary in twenty sixteen and shocked

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Speaker 1: America whenever he endorsed Trump. I mean, it was truly

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Speaker 1: like a speechless moment for a lot of Marco Rubio

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Speaker 1: on his way blew up. Marko Rubio suicide bomber Marco

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Speaker 1: Rubio on his way out, then gets nuked in the

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire primary, and then what he endorses Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: It's a landmark moment. Ultimately doesn't end up working out

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Speaker 1: for him. You know. Trump kind of emasculates him even

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Speaker 1: in the video whenever Christy endorsed him. Christy never ended

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Speaker 1: up getting a high profile position within the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: I think he wanted to be attorney general and Trump

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Speaker 1: would just never give it to Himsner blood he killed

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Speaker 1: by Yeah, he killed the transition. That's there's been. This

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Speaker 1: is all ancient history at this point. But Christy backed him.

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Speaker 1: He prepped him for the debate, remember that. Remember he

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Speaker 1: even got COVID prepping up. Died he nearly died. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he actually writes about that in his book. But Christy

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Speaker 1: has decided that he wants to even possibly challenge Trump

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Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty four nomination. I'll say at the top,

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of this is a chance in

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Speaker 1: hell to work out. But that being said, the spat

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Speaker 1: itself is interesting, so we'll put this on the screen.

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Speaker 1: What happened is that Chris Christy gave a speech and

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Speaker 1: basically said, look, we need to move on from this

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Speaker 1: election fraud stuff. Trump went ahead and blasted him in

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Speaker 1: a statement, saying that, you know, saying that we cannot

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Speaker 1: move past the election fraud. Winning campaigns are campaigns that

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Speaker 1: look forward and not backwards, is what Christy had originally

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Speaker 1: said at the Republican Jewish Coalition meeting in Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. What I found interesting is that even at

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Speaker 1: that meeting there was silence whenever he made that. There

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Speaker 1: was a lot of discomfort amongst some of the attendees

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Speaker 1: because they knew that it was a direct shot against

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Speaker 1: Trump himself. Trump obviously took notice of that. He said,

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy, who made a speech in Las Vegas, was

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Speaker 1: massacred by his statements. The Republicans have to move on.

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Speaker 1: Everybody remembers Christy left New Jersey with the less than

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Speaker 1: nine percent approval rating, a record low, and they don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear any of this from him. Christy then

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Speaker 1: responds in an Axios interview which just aired, which again

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Speaker 1: I found very interesting, let's take a lesson elections for

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Speaker 1: Republicans need to be about the future, not the grievances

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Speaker 1: of the past. Donald Trump put on a statement saying

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Speaker 1: You've gotten absolutely massacred. Yeah. Well, look, I've made the

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Speaker 1: conscious decision, Mike that I want to spend my time

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Speaker 1: combatting the policies of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 1: trying to help Republicans win governorships and the House and

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Speaker 1: the Senate in twenty twenty two. This is not an

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Speaker 1: argument that I'll walk away from. And then he went

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Speaker 1: for it. He said, everybody remembers that Chris left New

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Speaker 1: Jersey with a less than nine percent approval. Ready, what

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Speaker 1: do you make of him like saying you had a

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Speaker 1: less than nine percent, Michael approval? Ready. Look, I I

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Speaker 1: going to get into a back and forth with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: But what I will say is this, When I ran

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Speaker 1: for reelection at twenty thirteen, I got sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: the vote. When he ran for reelection, he lost to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I'm happy to have that comparison stand up,

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Speaker 1: because that's the one that really matters. Oh, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a parting shot there from Chris Christy And again,

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Speaker 1: you know, man, it's difficult to parse this one in Crystal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he did supplicate himself before Trump for like

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Speaker 1: five straight years. It's like after he loses, then he's

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Speaker 1: willing to call him out. But the fact is, Chris

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Speaker 1: Christy was one of the most popular GOP politicians in

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Speaker 1: this country for years. Everybody thinks he missed a shot

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Speaker 1: by not running against Obama back in twenty twelve, and

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Speaker 1: then in the post Trump age, he very much sees

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Speaker 1: the election fraud stuff kind of like I do, as

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Speaker 1: well as just an absolute noose around the neck of

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Speaker 1: the party because it's one of those things where, look,

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Speaker 1: will the Republicans win just because of discontent back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Absolutely, but when you bring this back

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Speaker 1: to the four and you really are going to convince

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Speaker 1: your entire base that the election was stolen and not

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Speaker 1: just that. I mean you and I have seen this repeatedly,

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Speaker 1: which is attempts by Republican politicians to say, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what he really meant is that big tech in the

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Speaker 1: media where I'm like, no, no no, no, he doesn't mean that.

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Speaker 1: Like what he means and what he means and what

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Speaker 1: the people who believe him say is that the dominion

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Speaker 1: Venezuelans literally like used bamboo ballots from China to steal

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Speaker 1: the election. They believe that and I look, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the people will believe it. They trust them a lot.

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Speaker 1: I wish it was otherwise, but that's just the truth.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to patronize them by saying no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: What they really mean is this. I know what they mean.

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Speaker 1: They're incorrect, and it's okay, you know, I hope they

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Speaker 1: would listen to the show. But really what it is

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Speaker 1: is that you can see how that level of noxiousness

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Speaker 1: that just leads people to either exit the exit the

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Speaker 1: electoral system or just vote against you because they can't

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Speaker 1: stand that stuff. It will remain a huge problem for

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Speaker 1: the Republicans that so many people in the Beltwagh just

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Speaker 1: want to look past. And just because they do well

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two based upon an oppositional message does

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Speaker 1: not mean that you can run affirmatively on a case

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Speaker 1: that the election was completely stolen and that you will

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Speaker 1: win again. It has dangerous consequences both for your own chances,

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Speaker 1: as we saw in Georgia whenever people were like Republicans

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, well, what's what's the point, why should

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Speaker 1: I even come out? And but we have seen that repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: Trump himself came forward and was trying to pull the

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Speaker 1: same stuff possibly in Virginia. You know, if the results

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Speaker 1: went the other way, these are not good results for

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Speaker 1: your actual own base. And if you make it the centerpiece,

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Speaker 1: as Trump himself is making this the defining issue of

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Speaker 1: his campaign and of loyalty to him, whether you think

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Speaker 1: the election was stolen or not, well, it's just going

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Speaker 1: to create an albatross around your neck going forward. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just one of these things where Christy

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Speaker 1: is not the right messenger, but he is directionally correct

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Speaker 1: that you cannot be the person who makes this the

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Speaker 1: only defining thing about what makes you Republican. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that Donald Trump, the leader of the Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: is saying that you don't agree with that, then that's fine,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't actually make you a Republican. And that's

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Speaker 1: part of the problem, which is that if that's all

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Speaker 1: there is, then you know, it's going to be very

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Speaker 1: difficult to win national elections in the future. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: in terms of electoral calculus, if Christy actually wants to

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Speaker 1: win a Republican nomination, this is not going to work.

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Speaker 1: Is he correct that this is a major problem for

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party. I think we've had proof of that

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Speaker 1: over the past couple of years, and you pointed to it.

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Speaker 1: When Trump was very involved, very visible, they went on

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Speaker 1: to lose two seats in Georgia that they had no

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Speaker 1: business losing. I remember at the time when we saw

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Speaker 1: on election night that those two were going to runoff.

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Speaker 1: We forget about it because the history in Georgia. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I mean, Democrats have long struggled to win

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Speaker 1: the state number one, number two. The history in Georgia's

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Speaker 1: and these runoff elections, Republicans always routinely outperform whatever they

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Speaker 1: did in the general election in November. That was the

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Speaker 1: long standing trend. It took a whole onslaught of Trump

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Speaker 1: and his whole tribe of crazy people. Well yeah, and

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Speaker 1: all those people whose names I want to you know,

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Speaker 1: consigned to the dustmen of my memory, all of them

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Speaker 1: had to come together to get the GOP to lose

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Speaker 1: those very winnable seats and hand control the Senate over

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Speaker 1: to the Democrats. In California. You saw how because Larry

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Speaker 1: Elder was more closely tied to trump Ism in the end,

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Speaker 1: and there was a huge way for Democrats. Ultimately that

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Speaker 1: led Gavin Newsom to easily survive what was truly perilous

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Speaker 1: waters for him at one point. In contrast, in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: Trump stayed away, he stayed quiet. Youngkin was able to

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Speaker 1: walk that very narrow line of not pissing off the

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Speaker 1: Trump pay so much that they wouldn't vote for him,

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Speaker 1: but not really affirming the president, just sort of dog

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Speaker 1: whistling towards the we're worried about election security, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, but not enough to turn off off independent voters.

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Speaker 1: I think if Trump had showed up in the state

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Speaker 1: of Virginia, I think, Glent Young, I think you would

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Speaker 1: have lost. I mean, if there, if he had been

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Speaker 1: more visible even I mean, one of the biggest favors

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Speaker 1: that's been done for the Republican Party and for Trump

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Speaker 1: and his personal favorability with the country at this point

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Speaker 1: is that all the social media giants kicked him off

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Speaker 1: the batting platform. Is the best thing that ever happened

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Speaker 1: to him. Totally, It totally is, and it's the best

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Speaker 1: thing that's happened in the Republican Party because he's so

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Speaker 1: much quieter, and so people kind of forget how like

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Speaker 1: insane and delusional, noxious and just divisive and toxic he

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Speaker 1: is to the country. They've sort of forgotten, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the edge has been taken off of that.

646
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean when you get to twenty twenty four,

647
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Speaker 1: if he's the GOP nominee, that's all going to be

648
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Speaker 1: front and center again. Of course, on the other hand,

649
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Democrats are going to run like either Joe Biden's carcass

650
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris or Pete Bootajig, and so they're equally screwed.

651
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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where things stand right now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And just to give you guys an update how this

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Speaker 1: all works out. Oh, I did not mention this. Chris

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Speaker 1: Christy actually even has mentioned he might run even if

655
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Speaker 1: Trump runs again. So put that tweet on the screen

656
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Speaker 1: in which he said that, you know, following the path

657
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Speaker 1: of basis claims is not going to work, and that

658
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: he would be a productive voice for the party going

659
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Speaker 1: forward even if Trump does run again. But to give

660
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Speaker 1: you an idea of how this is all manifesting on

661
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: a policy level, we mentioned this in our last show.

662
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: Put this Trump statement up there on the screen. He

663
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Speaker 1: is now saying that he is willing to field primary

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Speaker 1: challengers against the House Republicans who voted for the infrastructure

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Speaker 1: bill and the Bannon contempt and impeachment charge, including a

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Speaker 1: McKinley and Smith. They're in the House of Representatives. I mean,

667
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Speaker 1: just amazing, which is that. Yeah, if you voted for

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Speaker 1: an infrastructure bill, especially these Northeastern Republicans, which has his

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Speaker 1: seventy percent approval rating amongst Republicans in their district, then

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00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: you're not a real Republican. M Yeah, that's really gonna

671
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Speaker 1: work out well for democracy, which is any infrastructure bill

672
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: that was proposed exactly. And you know, it's like, if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna set the standard that no dollar is legitimate,

674
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Speaker 1: if you vote to spend for it under a Democrat,

675
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: then you're just a complete moron. And you just destroyed

676
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Speaker 1: the US Congress, which is what the Tea Party did

677
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: and what many of these people said that they were

678
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: moving on from. But you know, what goes around comes around,

679
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: and it's all just a cynical culture war. Do you

680
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: think that Christy is just posturing for like a more

681
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: highly paid media gig or Bell Books is a millionaire

682
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: or he's a multimillionare I think his wife works on

683
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: Wall Street? Them they always want more. Maybe you're right.

684
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he likes being relevant. I

685
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: think he likes being on TV. I think that he

686
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Speaker 1: probably legitimately believes that in his mind. He's probably like,

687
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm the one who endorsed Trump from the beginning, so

688
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: it's most legitimate from me. You know, I had a

689
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: connection to the Republican base for years, which is true.

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00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: He's very high name id all of that. But look,

691
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: it's just it's a farce. He failed in the twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen campaign. He would utterly, you know, fall on his

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Speaker 1: face in a Republican campaign in twenty twenty four. That

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Speaker 1: being said, I do think the voice, you know, it's

695
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: not bad. I mean, I think it is important for

696
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Speaker 1: people to hear this stuff. In a lot of ways,

697
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Trump took his lane because he did. He was a

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Speaker 1: bombas he was a brash asshole, and then Trump was

699
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: more of a brash asshole, you know. And Christy kind

700
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Speaker 1: of looked small next to Trump and the debate stage.

701
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Speaker 1: He wasn't as big of a personality as Trump ultimately was,

702
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Speaker 1: because I mean I remember Christy like made his name

703
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: yelling at teachers at town hall. That was like his thing.

704
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Speaker 1: But look, I can't at. His politics to me are terrible,

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Speaker 1: but I always thought he was very politically talented. Oh

706
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: he was, he was, and he was actually a smart guy.

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Speaker 1: I've seen him speak back in twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: and more I went to I think, I remember I

709
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: went to a conference once where he was at. I

710
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: was blown away. Hey, ry talent he grasped with the

711
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: policy details and more. Look, I'm a nerd. That stuff

712
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: doesn't actually resonate with people. But I remember he's got

713
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Speaker 1: the he's got the charisma to back it up, like

714
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Speaker 1: when he took out Marco Ruby. I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I would watch that same that moment on repeat all

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Speaker 1: day every day, because he just thoroughly exposed that moment.

717
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: He really exposed him for being extraordinarily shallow, like overly

718
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: prepped by his consultants, had his talking point and he

719
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything other than repeat his talking points. And

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Speaker 1: Christy called him out on that. So if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for the I think if Christy had run back in

722
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, I think, when there was a whole effort

723
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Speaker 1: from gop elites to recruit him in and a lot

724
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: of money was behind me, decided to take a pass.

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Speaker 1: I think if Christy ends up being the Republican nominee

726
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: instead of Romney, I think that he had a better

727
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Speaker 1: shot at winning. Uh, definitely that matchup against Obama, because

728
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: Romney was just such a character. It's so awkward, like

729
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, all of his weird sayings that he like

730
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Speaker 1: the trees of the right height and Binder's fold, all

731
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Speaker 1: this stuff. Christy was a more formidable, a prominent but

732
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: he just missed his window. And that's that. Yeah, that's right.

733
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Speaker 1: And Christy was, you know, in many ways, he was

734
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Speaker 1: a lot more liberal on a lot of the culture

735
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Speaker 1: war politics, kind of in the same way that Trump was.

736
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Speaker 1: He was bombastic anti political correctness in a very New

737
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Jersey type way, foreshadowing the Trump wave. He had a

738
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Speaker 1: high number of Hispanic voters who backed him in the

739
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Speaker 1: state of New Jersey. He was quite a competent governor,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, from a basic competence standpoint, and

741
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Speaker 1: he's actually a pretty smart guy. He really did have

742
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Speaker 1: all of it going for him. But I do think

743
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: he just nuked his chances by tying himself to Trump

744
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: and being embarrassed on the on the national stage. Now

745
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: for five years, that being said, it's an interesting development.

746
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Speaker 1: Will continue to track it. Yeah, media speaking for interesting developments,

747
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: you guys know him a sucker for the UFO stories.

748
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, why don't you cover UFOs more. It's like, well,

749
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: we follow the news and when the news arrives and

750
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: we will explain it to you. I do have to

751
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Speaker 1: say I'm a bit disconcerted that this is coming from

752
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Speaker 1: the top spy chief herself. Let's put this up there

753
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: on the screen. So Avril Haynes, who is a Director

754
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: of National Intelligence, she oversees all of the sixteen US

755
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: spy agencies, including the FBI and the CIA, was speaking

756
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Speaker 1: at an event here in DC called Our Future in

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00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Space Now during that and actually, this just shows you

758
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Speaker 1: how far we've come. She was actually asked about UFO,

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Speaker 1: something that you would never have seen the DNI I

760
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: asked in the past. And what was really stunning is

761
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: that she at least opened the door saying that it

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Speaker 1: was possible and again possible, that the strange encounters the

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Speaker 1: intelligence community simply does not understand could be extra terrestrial life.

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Speaker 1: She even hesitated to use the word extraterrestrially. But I

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Speaker 1: can't even believe that this is coming out of the

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Speaker 1: mouth of the top intelligence official in DC. That being said,

767
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: what is a very common theme here on our show.

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00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: Do not trust to work these people say so? For me,

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Speaker 1: I'm very conflicted. I do not believe. I'm deeply skeptical

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Speaker 1: of the d say what lesson did we learn? You

771
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: know over the last over the last five or six years.

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Speaker 1: There are two ways of looking at it. I've spoken

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Speaker 1: with people in the UFO community. Number one is she

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Speaker 1: was dragged here kicking and screaming the intelligence community because

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00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: of efforts from within Congress or form within Pentagon in

776
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: order to you know, release the videos and put some

777
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: of the information out there in the public. The public

778
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: is demanding so much answers it forced the intel community

779
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: to put out that report. You guys remember that report.

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Speaker 1: You know, they talk about having several instances unexplained by

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Speaker 1: anything that we know in terms of technology that we

782
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Speaker 1: have that other nations have, and specifically actually ruled out

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Speaker 1: the conventional you know, wind weather balloon explanation, saying these

784
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: this is a totally unexplained aerial phenomena and encounter that

785
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: happened on our satellites. The other one is that this

786
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: is a total SYOP. I mean, listen, I just don't

787
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: think that they're competent enough in order to pull that off.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the nineteen sixties anymore. The idea

789
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Speaker 1: of the SYOP is basically like to get themselves more fun, right,

790
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Speaker 1: And I've talked about this. If you understand the funding mechanisms,

791
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: they have the highest military budget of all time right now.

792
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Speaker 1: The Congress is about to pass it in the next

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Speaker 1: couple of months. In the NDAA. I mean by all

794
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Speaker 1: I have to do is say like Aron, yes, China,

795
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: and they get billions more dollars exactly. I pointed this

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Speaker 1: out elaborate. The time for a SYOP was twenty thirteen,

797
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Speaker 1: during sequestration, when the military budget was cut by like

798
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Speaker 1: ten percent or something like that. That was the time

799
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Speaker 1: to start conjuring up. Maybe they started contrast. Now just

800
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: come to fruition now, all right. See, I don't have

801
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Speaker 1: had deep enough space. I tend to fall amongst the

802
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Speaker 1: first category of what I said. I think that the

803
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Speaker 1: intel community was dragged here kicking and screaming. They never

804
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Speaker 1: want to talk about this, but because of the disclosures

805
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Speaker 1: of the people inside the military who are pushing out

806
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Speaker 1: these videos to journalists like Jeremy Corbel and others. They

807
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: are made it so that the Intel community chief herself

808
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Speaker 1: has to acknowledge the possibility of extraterrestrial life. We have

809
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Speaker 1: the full video of what's actually she said, so you

810
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: guys can take a listen for yourselves. And the main

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Speaker 1: issues that Congress and others have been concerned about are

812
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Speaker 1: basically safety of flight concerns and counterintelligence issues. But of

813
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: course there's always the question of is there something else

814
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Speaker 1: that we simply do not understand that might come extra extraterrestrially.

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Speaker 1: You can see that little bit of a hesitation, Like

816
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Speaker 1: I said, Look, I mean we have gone through many

817
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Speaker 1: of the quote unquote conventional explanations. The military themselves says

818
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: that's not true. Now should you trust the military? No,

819
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: But they also said it's not a top secret government program.

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00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if it was a top secret government program,

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Speaker 1: then they would have said. So I can tell you

822
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Speaker 1: from speaking with people who are close to the Intel

823
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Speaker 1: and close to some of the stuff that's going out there.

824
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Speaker 1: Even the people who are the senators in them who

825
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: are charged here do not have any indication that this

826
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Speaker 1: is some sort of secret program. They are generally mystified.

827
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Speaker 1: The people who are the Pentagon are actually loath to

828
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: admit that they have no idea what the hell is

829
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: going on with these counters. There are a number of

830
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Speaker 1: videos that are inside the Pentagon, inside the intelligence community,

831
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Speaker 1: photos and others that have just simply not come out

832
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: because people are afraid of you know, if you leak it,

833
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: that's you know, violating the law and they can go

834
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: after you. And a lot of this stuff it's not

835
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Speaker 1: as tightly held as it was held before, kind of

836
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Speaker 1: within the intranet of the CIA and THEDIA and many

837
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Speaker 1: of these other organizations, but there's still a trackability there

838
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Speaker 1: which would make it so that you're going to federal

839
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Speaker 1: prison if you were to leak that to a journalist

840
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: and you put that together. The information that we do

841
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: have and more indicates that there is more inside the community,

842
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: inside the intelligence community. We saw John Brennan, former CIA Director,

843
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: get pressed on this by Tyler Cowen, and he also

844
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Speaker 1: had to admit about some of the intelligence saying, look,

845
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Speaker 1: we simply don't have no idea what it is. And

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Speaker 1: I still think that that very short document that they

847
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: put out there, it was an extraordinary document in which

848
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: they had to admit that, by their own analysis, that

849
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: the conventional earthly explanations made absolutely no sense in order

850
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Speaker 1: to explain some of the flight that was observed by

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00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: some of our airships. You know, some of our airplanes. Yeah,

852
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: all usually out in the middle of nowhere, seeing things

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00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: move at a high rate of speed, which is just

854
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: not known in human technology. Another point that argues against

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00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: the idea that this is a syop is that that

856
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: report was spun to the media as proof that it wasn't.

857
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, when there was actually no. It

858
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: just was like, well, we can't explain it. We didn't

859
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: prove that it is extraterrestri We just can't explain it.

860
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: It was like, finds no proof that it is extraterrestrial.

861
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: It's okay, but it didn't find any proof that it wasn't. Also,

862
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: but that way that it was spun to the media,

863
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: I think would also indicate that it's not ultimately a SiO.

864
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: But who the hell knows. Our friend Jeff Bezos was

865
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: at the same forum. Yes, he made some interesting comments

866
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: as well that I picked up on. So he says

867
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: he does not see us lasting much longer on Earth.

868
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: He claimed that Earth might one day become a vacation

869
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: destination that you would visit just like our national parks,

870
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: that all manufacturing would be in outer space, with workers

871
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: permitted occasional visits back to the surface of the Earth.

872
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Very generous of him. He dreams of floating space cities

873
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: that contain River's forest and wildlife. No word on how

874
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: his ego is faring, since you know, they kind of

875
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: Congress didn't give him all the billions that he was

876
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: going to say this project. This is always my problem

877
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: with Bezos. I would love that if that were to

878
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: be true. I would love it if that were his

879
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: actual aim. He also, as I covered in our last show,

880
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: is the guy who held up the Moon landing for

881
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: over a year because his company did not win a contract. Yeah, dun,

882
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: you're setting us back. That's your goal. You're actually standing

883
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: in the way. You literally dealt the biggest blow to

884
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: the American space program in years by suing and holding

885
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: up SpaceX or being able to begin work on the

886
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: Lunar Lander. I didn't know this. Apparently, must Get even

887
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: chided him at the time, being like he likes lawsuits

888
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: more than he likes going to space, which I think

889
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: is true. He wants to go to space and have

890
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: all of his technology as long as he is the

891
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: platform through which all of this what happen. That is

892
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: why I mean, think about it. He built Amazon, which

893
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: is the platform for most of online retail. And if

894
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: you think the next most lucrative opportunity in the world

895
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: is building the rockets that are going to take you

896
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: back and forth from future space colonies to Earth and

897
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: more and you know, bring back minerals or whatever, the

898
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: mining on asteroids and all of that, then logically you

899
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: would want to own that platform too. So this vision

900
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: of Bezos, something I fully want and beat by into,

901
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: is not what I want Bezos to be in charge of.

902
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't want any I would like. I like this planet. Yeah,

903
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm kind of attached to it. Oh, put me on

904
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: the next ship. I enjoy this one. I enjoy being

905
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: here and not just visiting it occasionally. And so, you know,

906
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: from some Amazon owned city in the sky. So I

907
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: would personally like to try to save the one that

908
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: we're on first before we have to resort to whatever

909
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: sort of hellscape Jeff Bezos has planned for. You know,

910
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 1: it's cooler than hiking Alstone hiking Mars. So that's something

911
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: that I would get into, okayat all, Right, well, i'd

912
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: be happy to Elan if you're listening, send me up there.

913
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the next and final one.

914
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: As you guys know, we've been talking a lot about

915
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: here in inflation on the show, and I actually think,

916
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very proud of the way that we

917
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 1: talk about it because it is, in a way one

918
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: of the ones that we're most criticized for for talking previously,

919
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: and it's because we simply are willing to I really

920
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: do believe, you know, in terms of the space on

921
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: this the only ones willing to acknowledge the reality of

922
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: the prices are going up and it's extraordinarily detrimental to

923
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: ordinary working class people, and at the same time, are

924
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: not going to gaslight you into thinking that it's only

925
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: because of government spending. Almost ninety five percent of the

926
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: people who are talking about inflation are doing so because

927
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: it serves their ideological interest that government spending is the

928
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: reason why that we're here in the first place. You know,

929
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Before I even get to the Stephanie rul clip,

930
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: my friend Joe Wisenhal Bloomberg News put out a great

931
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: piece where he rightfully acknowledged that the Trump ad minutes

932
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: strations spending on the paycheck Protection Program and other government

933
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: stimulus which kept supply chains and businesses intact throughout the

934
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: pandemic arguably did more to go against inflation than anything

935
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: that we're even seeing right now, which is those abilities

936
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: in order to preserve supply chain, preserve business and more

937
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: and not cause even more disruption during the reopening phase

938
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: of our economy actually tamped down future inflation that we

939
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: would have seen today through more supply chain disruption. So

940
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: that's one thing. I'll just put that out on the table.

941
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: One thing you were not going to see is do

942
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: is what MSNBC Stephanie Rule did, which is basically say, actually,

943
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: inflation is totally fine, and these people, you know, they

944
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: have plenty of money. Anyways, Let's take a listen and

945
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: the dirty little secret here, Willie. While nobody likes to

946
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: pay more on average, we have the money to do. So.

947
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Household savings hit a record high over the pandemic. We

948
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: didn't really have anywhere to go out and spend, and

949
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: as we said a moment ago, we're expecting retail sales

950
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: this season to break records for those who own their homes.

951
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: The value of our homes are up, and while the

952
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: stock market isn't the economy, you get over half of

953
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: American households with some investment in the markets, and the

954
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: markets have hit record highs. So we need to put

955
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: all of this in perspective. This time last year when

956
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: you and I were talking, Willie, nobody had a vaccine.

957
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: Now two hundred million Americans do, and we're seeing this

958
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: push of demand and that's pushing up pricing. There it is.

959
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: It's the final take of actually it's completely fine. No,

960
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: it's not fine. You can both acknowledge the household savings

961
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: are high. You can acknowledge that record demand is there

962
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: because we had a pandemic and people were inside and

963
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: their consumption habits have dramatically changed. And you can also say,

964
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: as we repeatedly, that ordinary people are getting slammed by

965
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: gas prices, food prices, and more so trying to go

966
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: out there and justify it. I saw an NBC News

967
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: op ed basically say the exact same thing. They were like,

968
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: actually inflation is good. It's like, okay, everyone calmed down,

969
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: that nothing is good about people having to pay more

970
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: for ordinary goods. Right. Yeah, Well she's also I mean,

971
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: she just rolls on the hits, Yes, lady, she really does.

972
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: And what I appreciate about Stephanie Rule is she doesn't

973
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: try to be anything other than just totally aligned with

974
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: Wall Street. So that's one of the things that I

975
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: like about her is there's the mask is never on.

976
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: It's just always out there, which I genuinely appreciate. She's

977
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: also the one who said that a big part of

978
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: the problem was that the Biden administration wanted to create

979
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: high paying jobs, and that high paying jobs fuel inflation. Okay,

980
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: the problem right now is not that people are earning

981
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: more money. Yes, that is not a problem. That is

982
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: a good thing. That is a genuinely good thing. We

983
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: should be happy about that. We should be happy if

984
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: people were able to save a little bit more. We

985
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: should be happy if they're able to get a raise

986
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: right now because the labor markets say. We should be

987
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: very happy about those things, and we should encourage them

988
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: to continue in that direction. The problem is that, Okay,

989
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: we've got a little more money over here, some people

990
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: limited a out and that's from you know, a situation

991
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: where you've had wages stackmant for forty years, all right,

992
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: so you get a little bit of a break there.

993
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: The problem isn't that. The problem is that over here

994
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: you had this incredibly fragile supply chain that fell apart

995
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: when we had a crisis. You've got monopolies, I mean,

996
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: all the things that we've been tracking, you've got monopolies.

997
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: You've got offshoring to China. So the minute that there's

998
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: a hiccup with shipping containers and going into and coming

999
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: out of China, then you've got cascading impacts. You've got

1000
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: climate change that's fueling droughts that are increasing the inputs

1001
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: for all sorts of things from coffee beans to the

1002
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: corn that our cows and our other animals need to consume.

1003
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: That's raising meat prices. So those are the issues. The

1004
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: problem is not the people doing a little bit better

1005
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: with their pay checks and their stimulus checks. And I

1006
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: love these I loved those comments from her too about

1007
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: the high paying jobs. I'm like, how much are you

1008
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: making over there at MSNBC. Are you fueling inflation? Stephanie Rule,

1009
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: are you the problem? And we'll recall I worked my

1010
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: butt off, I don't know live out in Park Avenue,

1011
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: but I live okay, Well, are you fuel the inflation

1012
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: by paying probably what ten million dollars for like a

1013
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: shoe box apartment in New York City? One could argue that,

1014
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: one could argue a lot of things about people who

1015
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: are as wealthy as her and are spending a lot

1016
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: of money on different things and driving prices up for

1017
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: the rest of us. I don't think she thinks often

1018
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: about the people who are, you know, maybe drive her

1019
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: around or give her a coffee or something, who are

1020
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: getting slammed by the rising price of gas or even

1021
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee these days is like forty percent

1022
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: more than it was before the pandemic. These are real

1023
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: things that hurt real people. And that's again, you can

1024
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: acknowledge truths while also just having a bit more compassion

1025
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: and maybe messaging around what's going on. I saw this

1026
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: at the White House. They're doing their damnedest in order

1027
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: to like destroy themselves over there. I just can't believe it.

1028
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: Jens Hoki, the White House Press Secretary, talking about gas prices,

1029
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: basically expressing no plan whatsoever. And it's like, well, if

1030
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: you take the long view, this is why we need

1031
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: renewable energy. Listen, sure, but maybe don't take the long

1032
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: view when people are hurting right now. Just take a

1033
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: listen to what she said, just to be clear. And

1034
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: you know that's been a criticism, So that's why I

1035
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: said that not an accurate one. Look, our view is

1036
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: that the rise and gas prices over the long term

1037
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: makes it any even stronger case for doubling down our

1038
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: investment and our focus on clean energy options so that

1039
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: we are not relying on the fluctuations and OPEC and

1040
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: their willingness to put more supply and meet the demands

1041
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: in the market. I wouldn't even disagree with a single

1042
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: word of that, Crystal. Yeah, but you know it's just

1043
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: the way that the way that the act is internalized.

1044
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: And I can tell you I saw that thing all

1045
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: over conservative media. Is the reason why is people just

1046
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: want to hear you say, I am you know, we

1047
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: are doing everything we can in order to do it. This,

1048
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: this and this. The President feels that this is hurting

1049
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: average Americans every single day, and this is all he

1050
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: thinks about at the very top. And we think it

1051
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: makes the case for X, Y and Z. If you're

1052
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: not willing to say the first part, they should tune

1053
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: you out. And that's what's happening, which is that people

1054
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: we pointed at the poll and began this that Americans

1055
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: generally feel that the Biden administration is not doing anything

1056
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: about the things that really matter to their lives, and

1057
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: gases at the very very top of that agenda. I mean, listen,

1058
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: she's one hundred percent correct that our dependence on oil

1059
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: is a problem, and it's a problem for everybody, especially

1060
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: foreign oil. Yes, exactly, but I mean, as we know,

1061
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: the oil we create here, it just goes into a

1062
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: global commodities market. The fact that we're dependent on we're

1063
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: never going to be as big of a producer as

1064
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: OPEC and have control of the market. We're going to

1065
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: talk to Ken Clippenstein about exactly what is going on

1066
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: there and how we may be being punished right now

1067
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Speaker 1: by Saudi for Biden not wanting to meet with MBS.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into a little bit more specifics of

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00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: the oil market. But this is actually a common problem

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Speaker 1: for sort of climate change policy, is that when people

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00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: feel like they're under stress today, telling me thirty years

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00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: in the future you have a solution, get out of

1073
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: here is not really that fulfilling. Right then, in the

1074
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: moment when you're like, yeah, but I got to fill

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00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: up my take this afternoon and be able to do

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00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: that and pay for the groceries and get to my job.

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00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: And what you're telling me about your plans good, that's great.

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Speaker 1: I hope that helps my kids twenty thirty years from now,

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Speaker 1: But that's not helping me get through this particular week.

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00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: And so I do think it's kind of it is

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00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of even worse than I thought with the Biden administration,

1082
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: because he's the one thing he had going for him

1083
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: was some pretty decent instincts around what people really cared about,

1084
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: what they don't care about. This sense of, you know,

1085
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: his ability to kind of emotionally connect with the middle

1086
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: class and any of that is just seems pretty far gone,

1087
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: really terrible, and both optics in terms of the way

1088
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: that they're handling this. And if this is the tactic,

1089
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: you should not be sup by the red wave in

1090
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two whatsoever? All right, Sager, what are you

1091
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: looking at? Well? As we often say here on Breaking Points,

1092
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: principles only matter if you're willing to apply them to

1093
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: people that you don't particularly like that much. Right wingers

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00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: are for free speech, till it's the stuff that they

1095
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: don't like, And the left is for free speech until

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00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: someone says they don't like. Tail's oldest time in the

1097
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: terms of our politics today. But one theme that the

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Speaker 1: national press hammered home to us daily under Trump was this,

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00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: they in particular, are indispensable. How many times under Trump

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Speaker 1: did we hear about assault on the free press, How

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Speaker 1: enemy of the people was dangerous, How journalism is the

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00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: true and greatest pursuit in America. How any of the

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00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: criticism of media falls in the category of an attack

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00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: on the institution of the press itself. I, like many

1105
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: of you, rolled my eyes at that rhetoric at the time,

1106
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: because I knew what you all know. When they say

1107
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: the media and the press are essential, what they really

1108
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: mean is that only the corporate media itself is to

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00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: be detected and is essential. Shows like this one, people

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00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: in the Grey Zone, people like Julian asanj or James

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00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: O'Keeffe of Project Veraitas, they don't qualify under their definition

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00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: of the real press. Thus if they are attacked, then

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: we don't qualify. But as we have been trying to

1114
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: say now for some time, the law is the law,

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00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: and it is applied equally. If a standard is set

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00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: against even people in the independent sphere, it will not

1117
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: be long before the government comes knocking at the door

1118
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: of the New York Times. People used to understand this.

1119
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: It's why the acl US stood up for the KKK,

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Speaker 1: and it's why the New York Times and others spoke

1121
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: out for Fox News a decade ago when Obama spied

1122
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: on Fox. But today the culture war and Trump has

1123
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: rotted the brains of the press and they are silent cows.

1124
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Speaker 1: That brings us to the case. I want to draw

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Speaker 1: attention to that of the FBI raid on the house

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Speaker 1: of Project Veritas founder James O'Keeffe. So let's put this

1127
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. The story began last week

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00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: when news of the raid broke in which the FBI

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: executed a source weren't on O'Keefe's home early in the

1130
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: morning in connection to a stolen diary belonging to Joe

1131
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Biden's daughter Ashley. FBI did not offer cause as to

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00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: why they were there they executed the search warn't early

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00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: in the morning, but O'Keefe's explanation is very important. Per

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00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: Project Veritas, they are the ones who turned over the

1135
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: stolen diary to the FBI in keeping with ethical standards

1136
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: concerning stolen material. Now, once again that is their side

1137
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: of the story. But does it even matter. Perhaps you

1138
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: do hate James O'Keefe and you think he's an unethical scumbag,

1139
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: he is still a person who does acts of journalism.

1140
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: Secret records are sketchy, I would never do it, and

1141
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: if he's been caught too many times selectively editing some

1142
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: of his secret recordings. That being said, he has obtained

1143
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: and published important information, like that of ABC News anchor

1144
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: Amy Roeboch admitting her network covered up a story about

1145
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. So committing acts of journalism from time to

1146
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: time is enough for me to classify him under the

1147
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: law as a journalist, and importantly it should qualify him

1148
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: in the eyes of the FBI and the DOJ. But

1149
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: right now the law man is the Biden administration, and

1150
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: it appears that Joe Biden, Mareng Garland, and the Department

1151
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: of Justice is ignoring the Press Freedom Directive that they

1152
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: themselves published just six short months ago when they announced

1153
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: they would not use compulsory process to obtain reporters information.

1154
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: They got patted on the back and the press hailed

1155
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: them as heroes for doing that. And yet just six

1156
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: months later, in an investigation that concerns Pilford material from

1157
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: the president's daughter, then that little announcement goes right out

1158
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: the window. They break into his house at six am

1159
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Speaker 1: in the morning. This should be rightfully condemned from all sides.

1160
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Speaker 1: If you really believe in press freedom, the New York

1161
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: Times should be running editorials decrying it. And yet what

1162
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: happened instead. One of the consequences of Russiagate is that

1163
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: the corporate press became stenographers for the intelligence community. And

1164
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: lo and behold, we warned on the show Yoda would

1165
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: have far reaching consequences. Sure enough, when it came time

1166
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: to write about the O'Keefe case, that's what happened. The

1167
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: New York Times did journalism by publishing internal Project Veritas

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Speaker 1: conversations around the legal lines that they had to adhere

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00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: to when they were secretly recording others and trying to

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Speaker 1: produce their journalism. Immediately, the question rose, well, how did

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00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: the New York Times get that information? And hey, you know, now,

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00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: come to think of it, how are the very first

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00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: people to know about that raid? Well, per Project Veritas's lawyers.

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Speaker 1: The information the New York Times published could only have

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Speaker 1: come from one source, from the FBI itself, which means

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Speaker 1: that the FBI was leaking privileged communications between Project Veritas

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Speaker 1: and his lawyers to bolster the case that they leaked

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Speaker 1: the information to The New York Times to get it

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Speaker 1: out there in the public. Just think about that. It's

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Speaker 1: an outrageous breach by the FBI. They broke their own

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Speaker 1: policy on journalists to raide O'Keefe's house. They seized his

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Speaker 1: cell phones, which has the list of confidential sources that

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Speaker 1: Project Veriti communicates with. They tipped off The New York

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: Times to the raid, and then when O'Keefe complained, they

1185
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: leaked his communication with his lawyers to the paper of record.

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01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: Nary a peep yet from the actual New York Times

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01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: itself as to whether this constitutes an attack on press

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Speaker 1: freedom or not, so I guess it's on me to

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Speaker 1: say it. This is completely crazy, and let's frame it

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Speaker 1: in the worst possible terms that I can. The Department

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01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: of Justice is persecuting a journalist, breaking their own internal protocols,

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Speaker 1: and establishing a dangerous precedent to investigate a crime against

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Speaker 1: the president's daughter. I think I can safely say that

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Speaker 1: if Trump or anyone in the Trump administration did anything

1195
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: similar against some liberal activists who is involved in something

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: similar with Ivanka Trump, that the media would be absolutely

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: losing their minds. And that's the thing they should have

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Speaker 1: if he did that, and they should do it now.

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Speaker 1: Because they like the Biden administration and they hate James O'Keeffe.

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Speaker 1: He showed them up and he's even gone after them

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01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: in the past. They will sit silently when he's persecuted

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Speaker 1: by the Biden administration. As I said in the beginning,

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: principles do not mean anything if you don't apply them

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01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: to the people that you don't like. And I don't

1205
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: expect the media to say anything, but for all of you,

1206
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: you should know what the government is doing in your

1207
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: name against an organization which has committed journalism in the past.

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Speaker 1: Even if you don't like it, you should be outraged

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Speaker 1: about it, and you should think about this the next

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: time that you see Jim Acosta or somebody else from

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Speaker 1: the corporate press sanctimoniously talking about their commitment to freedom

1212
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: of the press. And ultimately, that's really what it comes

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Speaker 1: down to, Crystal. When we learn about this. You and

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Speaker 1: I know this. We are automatically when we see a project.

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Speaker 1: All right, Crystal, what are you taking a look at? Well, guys,

1216
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: of course, we've been tracking the lies, the cover up,

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: and the ultimate lack of any accountability for a drone

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Speaker 1: strike that murdered most of an Afghan family in the

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Speaker 1: waning days of our in state occupation. They're in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: You all probably remember how all that went down. The

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Speaker 1: Biden administration, under media pressure for their withdrawal and wanting

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Speaker 1: to project power, they drone strike what turned out to

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Speaker 1: be a worker for an American charity and most of

1224
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Speaker 1: his family, including children. The military top brass. They initially

1225
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: lied and said that they had gotten the isis K militants,

1226
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: go USA, We got the bad guys. After an extensive

1227
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Speaker 1: investigation by the New York Times, however, they were forced

1228
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Speaker 1: to admit that those isis K militants were actually babies.

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Speaker 1: The Pentagon promised that they would conduct an investigation. They

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Speaker 1: can put the results of that up on the screen.

1231
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Speaker 1: After allowing enough time for public outrage to die down,

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Speaker 1: they then released the results of that investigation, saying that

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Speaker 1: the murdering of those babies was quote not unreasonable, No

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01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: one would be punished and no accountability would ultimately be had. Well,

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Speaker 1: we are now getting a fresh look at just how

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Speaker 1: routinely civilians have been killed and those crimes covered up

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Speaker 1: by the Pentagon in their operations in another country, Syria.

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Speaker 1: This is thanks to another New York Times report, and

1239
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: here is that report. The headline is how the US

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01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: hidden airstrike that killed dozens of civilians in Syria. They

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Speaker 1: describe a US attack perpetrated by a highly classified unit

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Speaker 1: known as Task Force nine. Task Force nine was effectively

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Speaker 1: given carte blanche to operate in Syria under the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: and they operated independently of the other units that were

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01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: involved in that ultimately illegal war. In March of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: that group, Task Force nine, dropped two massive bombs on

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Speaker 1: an Isis camp known to contain tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: women and children. In this particular incident, Air Force analysts

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Speaker 1: unaffiliated with Task Force nine were totally stunned by the attack.

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01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: Those uniform personnel were watching a group of women and

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Speaker 1: children from the camera of a circling drone, and they

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01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: instantly believed when the bombs were dropped that a war

1253
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Speaker 1: crime had been committed. Who dropped that a confused analyst

1254
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: typed on a secure chat system being used by those

1255
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Speaker 1: monitoring that drone. Two people who reviewed the chatlog were called.

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Speaker 1: Another responded, we just dropped on fifty women and children. Actually,

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Speaker 1: the number of deats turned out to be eighty. This

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Speaker 1: would rank as one of the largest civilian massacres that

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Speaker 1: we know about in our illegal war in Syria. A

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Speaker 1: legal officer reported it as a suspected war crime, triggering

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Speaker 1: an investigation. Yet according to the Times, all investigations and

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Speaker 1: reports on the incident were so sanitized that the final

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Speaker 1: analysis did not even include a mention of the strike,

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Speaker 1: and the area where it occurred was bulldozed. Confronted with

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Speaker 1: the Times reporting, US Central Command was forced to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: the strike for the very first time, but they claimed

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Speaker 1: the airstrikes were justified. They said the bombs killed sixteen

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Speaker 1: militants and four civilians, that they could not say whether

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Speaker 1: or not the women and children who were killed were civilians,

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Speaker 1: since quote women and children in the Islamic State sometimes

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Speaker 1: took up arms now. The Times goes on to suggest

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Speaker 1: that such indiscriminate killings and cover arts were likely routine.

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Speaker 1: But it's not just civilian drone strike casualties that the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon covers up. ABC News just released a documentary showing

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon's lies and cover ups when it came to

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Speaker 1: a deadly ISIS ambush of Green Berets in Niger. Now,

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Speaker 1: you might remember this attack in twenty seventeen because a

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Speaker 1: lot of the public was shocked to learn that US

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Speaker 1: forces were engaged in comment on the ground in Niger

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Speaker 1: at all, let alone the half dozen African nations where

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Speaker 1: we have operations. Do you remember a public debate about

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Speaker 1: the utility of this war? Do you remember your members

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Speaker 1: of Congress voting for this war? Of course not. Presidents

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Speaker 1: now routinely engage in illegal wars around the globe under

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Speaker 1: the flimsiest of legal rationales with zero consequences. Now this

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Speaker 1: was in Africa. It started under Obama, and it continued

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Speaker 1: under Trump and now under Joe Biden. In this new

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Speaker 1: doc ABC exposes an elaborate cover up with regards to

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Speaker 1: exactly how and why these Green Berets were killed. Effectively,

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Speaker 1: the US military sought to blame the dead, saying that

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Speaker 1: the slain soldiers went on a rogue and unauthorized mission.

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Speaker 1: In reality, the mission came straight from leadership. The autopsy

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Speaker 1: report was where it really started clicking that something didn't

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Speaker 1: add up. What they were being told and what we

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Speaker 1: were being told were two different things. Because they know

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Speaker 1: that mission went horribly wrong and it was going to

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fingers to point in the blame,

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Speaker 1: they spent months and months and months trying to formulate

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Speaker 1: a damn story that they thought would partict their ass

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Speaker 1: The team inaccurately portrayed the first of three total missions

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Speaker 1: on three and four October. It's all about the club,

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Speaker 1: It's all about circling the wagons around the senior reagences,

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Speaker 1: going to let me down. They'll let my son down.

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Speaker 1: And then they lied about it. You put all of

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Speaker 1: these stories together and you don't get a picture of

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Speaker 1: rogue soldiers, but a rogue Pentagon acting with few rules

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Speaker 1: and even less accountability. Get this. In Syria, the civilian

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Speaker 1: murders were so flagrant and common that even the CIA

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Speaker 1: was uncomfortable. Agents on the ground reported ten separate incidents

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Speaker 1: to the Department of Defenses Inspector General in which they

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Speaker 1: said that that Classified Group Task Force nine hit targets

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Speaker 1: even though they knew that civilians would be killed. Ten

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Speaker 1: were crimes so blatant that even the CIA ghoules thought

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Speaker 1: that they went too far. Now, these crimes in illegal

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Speaker 1: wars and reckless risking of American lives, This is all

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Speaker 1: being perpetrated in your name. Yet somehow the only consequences

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Speaker 1: are ever for those like Julian Assange or Chelsea Manning

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Speaker 1: other whistleblowers who dare to expose the truth. Gee, I

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Speaker 1: wonder why so many Americans have lost faith in our institutions.

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Speaker 1: These reports this once in the New York Times. It's

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Speaker 1: length that you guys really should take the time to

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Speaker 1: read it because they detail this particular jonis. Now we

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Speaker 1: have Ken Clevenstein. He is an investigative reporter for the

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Speaker 1: Intercept with a great news scoop. Great to see you, Ken,

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Speaker 1: be with you. Welcome to the studio. I love having you.

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Speaker 1: All right, go and throw this chair sheet up on

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Speaker 1: the screen of Ken's latest reporting here alongside Ryan Grimm.

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Speaker 1: The main driver of inflation is a murder's maniac in Riod.

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is withholding oil production because Biden will not

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Speaker 1: meet with Mohammed ben Salmon after the murder of Jamalka shogi.

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Speaker 1: The president suggested, so just take us through the story.

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Speaker 1: What is the retaliation and how does it relate to

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Speaker 1: gas prices. So the idea for the story originated in

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Speaker 1: my reading the business press, who are kind of admirably

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Speaker 1: frank about how the world works because they have to

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Speaker 1: make investment decisions on it. They're right for other investors.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm reading Financial Times and they're saying, just

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Speaker 1: very bluntly that Saudi Arabia's decision not to increase oil

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Speaker 1: production is having a huge effect on the cost of

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Speaker 1: oil internationally. And I'm thinking, well, oil undergirds everything because

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Speaker 1: that's how you ship goods across the ocean in ships,

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Speaker 1: that's how you move things via truck, that's how you

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Speaker 1: build things. So this gets factored into everything in ways

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Speaker 1: that we don't even think about. So I'm thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: this must be at least a component of the inflation

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Speaker 1: of the gas prices increase that we're seeing. So I

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Speaker 1: start poking around and I start to find all kinds

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Speaker 1: of evidence not really focused on by the media in

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Speaker 1: a sort of way that would frame it so the

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Speaker 1: public understand important this is, but kind of peripherally talking

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Speaker 1: about you know, NBS's decision potentially being political. President Biden

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Speaker 1: gave a talk at a CNN town hall a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago where he said that this is owing.

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Speaker 1: He attributes the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salmon's decision

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Speaker 1: not to increase production to his decision not to meet

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Speaker 1: with him personally, and I was amazed at that didn't

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Speaker 1: get more coverage, because this is a huge, perhaps the

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Speaker 1: central issue you know, facing families, facing people today, facing

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Speaker 1: the global economy right now, and there's hardly any discussion

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Speaker 1: of it outside of the business press. No, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: agree with be more. One of the things you've called

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Speaker 1: for I've called for specifically is I'm like, you need

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Speaker 1: to drag this king over here and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on. You know, you start pumping, We give

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Speaker 1: you guys a lot of money, we sell you a

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Speaker 1: lot of weapons. I mean, you know which there's precedent

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Speaker 1: for it, right, hasn't it. Trump did very adeptly exactly,

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Speaker 1: not just in the twenty eighteen run up to the

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Speaker 1: midterm elections when he or him to increase production, but

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty last year when he told him to

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Speaker 1: cut production because it was hurting domestic US shale fracking production.

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Speaker 1: So perhaps not something I agree with, but he again,

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Speaker 1: he was very deft at going about this. He got

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Speaker 1: together some representatives and started crafting legislation that would pull

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Speaker 1: the US military out of Saudi. Guess what happens within

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Speaker 1: two weeks, MBS obliges smart Any cuts production. So why

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Speaker 1: isn't Why aren't the Biden administration doing more about this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, are why are they not exerting more

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Speaker 1: pressure on Saudi Arabia? Why is Congress not getting involved?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it just a question of Saudi money

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Speaker 1: in Washington and influence? Well, that's the unfortunate thing. So,

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Speaker 1: as I was saying off camera that I feel sort

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Speaker 1: of vindicated not chasing after this Steel dossier, not because

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be critical as the president, but

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Speaker 1: because I just thought it was a lot of innuendo

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Speaker 1: and it seems sort of thin, and something I focused

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Speaker 1: on instead was Gulf influence. And what I found over

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Speaker 1: the last four years is that this is very bipartisan

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Speaker 1: in nature. I'm not saying it's exactly the same. I

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Speaker 1: do think Trump represents a departure from the sort of

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Speaker 1: density of that relationship between the Gulf and Washington. But

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Speaker 1: it's something that's affected both parties, and for that reason

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Speaker 1: they don't like to talk about it, because you open

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Speaker 1: up that door, you're going to find skeletons that implicate

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Speaker 1: both parties. So I think that that is a big

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Speaker 1: reason that they don't want to talk about this, because

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Speaker 1: if the you know, I think American people understood the

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Speaker 1: influence that they're able to exert this foreign government, they

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Speaker 1: might have attitudes about what, you know, what the heck

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Speaker 1: we're doing there with military forces that exist, the amount

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Speaker 1: of arms that we sell them. The President Biden, who

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Speaker 1: you know, in not meeting with the Crown Prince does

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Speaker 1: represent a departure from the norm. But still it's going

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Speaker 1: to sell them five hundred million and weapons, or at

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Speaker 1: least wants to right now because that Congress is trying

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Speaker 1: to fight them. So clearly, this is something that is

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Speaker 1: going to make both parties not look great, and that

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Speaker 1: it tends to be when the public doesn't get to

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Speaker 1: hear a lot about these kind of things, When it

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Speaker 1: makes both parties look bad. Well, and let's not forget

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Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court has just paved the way for

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Speaker 1: foreign actors to have war influence in our politics, allowing

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Speaker 1: money to back interest groups from foreign governments. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get your reaction to you have here from Trita Parsi,

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Speaker 1: who of course is a friend of our show. By

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Speaker 1: the way, that was the FEC now the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: that made that decision, who said that he sees these

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Speaker 1: actions from Saudi and MBS as part of a broader

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Speaker 1: Saudi strategy to favor the GOP as MBS calculates that

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Speaker 1: a Republican present will reinvest in the idea of dominating

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Speaker 1: the Middle East militarily, which makes the relationship with Saudi

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Speaker 1: Arabia critical once more, What did you think of his comments? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's important because whatever you think about the

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Speaker 1: Iranian regime, and there's plenty of criticisms you can make

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Speaker 1: about it, Treeta makes them himself. A relationship like that

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Speaker 1: becomes a sort of pressure release valve, where the more

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Speaker 1: that you're able to go to them potentially as a broker,

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Speaker 1: international broker, someone that you can work with, the less

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Speaker 1: you have to rely on the Saudis not just regionally,

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Speaker 1: but for oil as well. And so those two things

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Speaker 1: are connected, and I wish that there was more cognizance

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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I mean it makes the most sense

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Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, at this point, whenever we're seeing,

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Speaker 1: what else can we see out ofside of the Saudi regime,

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Speaker 1: like signs that this would confirm that NBS is simply

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Speaker 1: just upset that Biden won't show him the difference that

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Speaker 1: he deserves after he ordered the murder of Jamal Kashogi.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to see more pushback from Riad against

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration whenever they just issue empty calls like

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Speaker 1: what else can we look for different signs of the future.

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Speaker 1: The debate kind of quietly going on in Washington right

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Speaker 1: now is how to respond to this, and so there's

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Speaker 1: talk about tapping the strategic oil reserve, which I think

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Speaker 1: just kind of kicks the football and doesn't really address

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Speaker 1: the problem. There's other talk of getting tough with him,

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Speaker 1: as Trump did, which to his credit, he knew how

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Speaker 1: to will power in certain respects. Yes, and in this regard,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of leverage and there's a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of I think illusions about the nature of the relationships.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at the amount of golf money

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Speaker 1: slashing on these think tanks. I think that that plays

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Speaker 1: a role when these think tanks push a narrative that

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Speaker 1: suggests you'll hear this again and again when you talk

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Speaker 1: about getting tough on Saudi, they say, well, if we're

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Speaker 1: tough on them, they might run into the arm might

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Speaker 1: drive them into the arms of the Russians, might drive

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Speaker 1: the into the arms of the Chinese. The thing is,

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Speaker 1: we have set up a system there that they are

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Speaker 1: dependent on, not just military, but we run a lot

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Speaker 1: of their technology, run a lot of the you know,

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Speaker 1: trappings of a developed society that you know, they developed

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Speaker 1: very recently, and they are dependent on us for It's

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Speaker 1: not easy. I was talking to a senior Senate aide

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Speaker 1: whom I quote in the story, who told me that

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Speaker 1: for us to pull out in another state like Russia,

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Speaker 1: to go in there and to kind of set themselves

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Speaker 1: up and be able to run this sciety, that would

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Speaker 1: take ten years at the very least. And that's what

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Speaker 1: some of the smarter analysts, I think, we'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: So to think that MBS can just do that on

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Speaker 1: a whim is very unrealistic. And I think that there's

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Speaker 1: a political motive behind, you know why, some of these

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Speaker 1: quote unquote experts say that we can't get tough on them,

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Speaker 1: which is that they're getting money from these guys. So

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Speaker 1: do you buy into the notion that Treta is laying

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Speaker 1: out here that effectively MBS has decided they want to

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Speaker 1: put their thumb on the scales to try to help

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Speaker 1: Republicans win. I think so yeah, And I think the

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Speaker 1: nature of the relationship. I'll give you an example. There

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Speaker 1: was just indicted a top fundraiser for the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: who is a senior advisor to his campaign, Tom Barrack,

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Speaker 1: a billionaire, and do you see a billion again, indet

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Speaker 1: that's crazy for unregistered foreign lobbying on behalf of the UAE.

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Speaker 1: And the evidence laid out. Of course, you know this

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Speaker 1: is alleged. He's still you know, people deserve for a trial.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the allegations of DJ, it

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Speaker 1: looks pretty damning and it looks it seems to events,

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Speaker 1: you know, a pay to play relationship on the where

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Speaker 1: you know, the UA gives him money and then he

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Speaker 1: influenced pedals on the path on behalf of the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: and there was all sorts of stuff like that going

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Speaker 1: on to give you an example of twenty seventeen, I

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Speaker 1: had a story about the gifts that they were showering

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Speaker 1: on Trump when he visited riod as his first foreign trip,

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Speaker 1: which in itself was a huge and dramatic departure from

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Speaker 1: where normally at president visits either Mexico or Canada. That

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Speaker 1: going back for the UK, Yeah, that going back years

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Speaker 1: and years and years. This was a huge coup politically

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Speaker 1: for MBS internationally at a time that he's trying to

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Speaker 1: prop up his legitimacy as a leader to have him

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Speaker 1: come and visit. So I find out under a Fear

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Speaker 1: of Information Act request that they had shared him in

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Speaker 1: all these crazy gifts. It was kind of funny because

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Speaker 1: I mean, they do do that. But what we ended

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Speaker 1: up finding a few weeks ago was that a lot

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Speaker 1: of those gifts, they're supposed to be given to the

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Speaker 1: federal government, like the National Art International Christ right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly to prevent them from exerting undue influence. A lot

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Speaker 1: of those gifts they can't find. They don't know what

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Speaker 1: happened to them. Perfect That's the perfect Trump, perfect Trump story. Which,

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Speaker 1: of course, to bring this full circle with the media critique,

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Speaker 1: because you point out you know that they went chasing

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Speaker 1: Steele Dossie and got obsessed with Russia when this was

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Speaker 1: the real major influence pedaling scheme. Of course, they picked

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Speaker 1: up your reporting and New York Times felt free to

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Speaker 1: use it without giving you your proper due when you

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Speaker 1: wrote the story like three years before they did. But

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Speaker 1: we always give you the proper due here, Ken, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time, Thank you for your

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Speaker 1: analysis and reporting here. Great to be with you, guys,

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Speaker 1: our pleasure. Thanks. Ken, really appreciate it. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much for watching. We really appreciate it. If you

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Speaker 1: can help us out support the show, all of that

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Speaker 1: big plans coming, some original reporting and more that we're

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Speaker 1: working on. Can't wait to un all to you. Very exciting.

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