1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: If you're about to make a change in your life 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: and you feel uncomfortable, that's the best feeling you can 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: have because for the first time in your life, you'll 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: make a new decision that's going to be best for 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: you and not what somebody told you to do. And 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: that's when all bets are off. Welcome to Money Making 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host, Rashaan McDonald. Our theme is 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: there's no perfect time to start following your dreams. I 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: recognize that we all have different definitions of success. For 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: you and maybe decide to your HM, it's time to 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: stop reading other people's success stories to start living your own. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Keep winning. People always talk about their purpose or gifts. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: If you have a gift, leave with your gifts and 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: they'll let your friends, family, or co worker stop you 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: from planning or living your dreams. My guess is Nathaniel 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: and Nicole Anden was born on an army base in 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Germany to a black Southern woman born and a West 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: African man from God. Nicole, as he's affectionately known, was 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: raised in Detroit, Michigan, the Mota City. He dismistifies the 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: myths around Southern black men, black gay men, and those 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: identifying in the non binary space and if they live 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: four lives that they can lead. Nico originated the role 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: of Uncle Clifford and the popular show Pea Valley and 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: play that character since twenty eleven. Today, he is the 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: only character that played Uncle Clifford as well as on 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: the television show Pea Valley. Pea Valley, If you don't know, 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: It's an engrossing drama of family, friendship and survival. This 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: season is ritually crafted. Characters deal with sacrifice, ethical dilemmas, identity, family, love, trust, 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: and betrayal, while also facing the aftermass of the decisions 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: from season one. Please work for the money making Conversation 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: masterclass for the first time, Nico, Aman, how you doing, 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: my friend. 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm great, I'm great. Thank you so much for having 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 2: me here. Well, first of all, its first time. Hopefully 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: won't be the oh. 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: No, no, no no, I'll be mad with you if 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: you're the last, because you are you are a star. 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: You are a star. You are an individual. Brother, you 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: know you're an individual. That Let's let's talk about the character, 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: because you know in your bio that said you've been 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: playing this character or character like this since twenty eleven. 42 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: So that means that character did not originate on the 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: television series. I've seen you've been playing it before. That 44 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: give us some background history on your character and how 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: did they get to that point, because, like I said, 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, because you have some great you know, designs 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: and your beard and all that stuff that you're not 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: wearing right now. I have a beard. I remember I 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: did the movie. They cut my beard a certain way, 50 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: and so let's let's talk about that character developed, because 51 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was inspired a lot by your own imagination. 52 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: It was inspired a lot by my own imagination, but 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: primarily from Katori Hall's imagination. Katori Hall as our showrunner 54 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: and the creator of this universe that she has here 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: but here in p Valley. This actually started a little 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: earlier than twenty eleven. Back in two thousand and yeah. 57 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: I was living in New York at the time. I 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: was an actor, I was choreographing and directing, so I 59 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: was doing all three and I was in between gigs 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: and I received an invitation to go to Victoria's house 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: and she was having a salon series. She used to 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: have this thing called black Mondays because in the theater 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: it's dark on Monday. In theater language, we say it's 64 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: black because all the lights are off. And so what 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: happened was she was she had a writing fellowship at 66 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: the Lark Theater Company, It's an off Broadway house in 67 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: New York, and through that Salon series, it was a 68 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: group of writers, actors, musicians that just got together to 69 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: read or talk about their ideas and new material that 70 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: they had and a collective so to speak, kind of 71 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: like James baldwins or in the Hurston you know, the 72 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: Renaissance group back in the day. They were creating their 73 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: own version of that. And essentially what happened there was 74 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: a lot of networking that was happening across the platform 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: among all these different black artists. It was not necessarily 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: somewhat none of us at the time were on Broadway 77 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: or had big major motion picture deals. It literally was 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: about conversation and who is it that has points of 79 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: access and just different ideas. So one of her co 80 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 2: writers in the fellowship, Dominique Mariso, who they both since 81 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: have been like Tony Award nominations and all these accreditations 82 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: and awards decorating them, she said, I'm looking for a 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: person that kind of houses this feminine energy yet a 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: masculine energy. I have this idea for this character, and 85 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: it was all these things. And when I got there, 86 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: there were five pages. Man, there were five pages, and 87 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: almost five pages only two of them Uncle Clifford was in. 88 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: There was two different scenes and it was a description 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: of Uncle Clifford emerging from the shadows of the club. 90 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: Eyelashes like butterfly wings, and nails like ego talents, Uncle Clifford. 91 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: And so that's how it all started. 92 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: Now, how tall are you because you're you're you're not 93 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: a small guest to six two? 94 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, I'm definitely a man of size. You know 95 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. As they say corn brand fed. 96 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, because your body was introduced 97 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: into pilot, you know what I'm saying. When you was 98 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, saw that rear look and everything so so nudity, 99 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: that was nudity. How did you feel? Was it an 100 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: uncomfortable moment for you? You have to prepare for that moment. 101 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: Talk about that in the pilot. See, I think you. 102 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: Always have to prepare for any person that you know. 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: You know that as an artist in general, where you 104 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: are using your body to tell the story. You're using 105 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: your soul to tell the story. I know as an 106 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: artist I am especially I'm gonna tell you this being 107 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: a man of a certain age. I think in my 108 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: twenties it was it could have maybe messed me up 109 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: a little bit more because it was more into the 110 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: constraints of what people sought I should be. Right. But 111 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: I'm a grown man now, you know, the thirties. You know, 112 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: they've taught me how to really be who I am 113 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: and to have a level of self acceptance. But in 114 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: regards to the show and how the nudity works, it's 115 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: the show takes place in this club called the Pink, 116 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: and it's a strip club, and so we're talking about 117 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: these people who are marginalized and definitely have an idea. 118 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: They know what they're doing, and they're working in the 119 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: sex work industry. And it just made sense that in 120 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: this industry there's a level of awareness and comfortability of 121 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: being in one's body and now stepping outside of that. 122 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: As the actor and the artist, I had to ask 123 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: myself the question, and I proposed it to the producers 124 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: in my camera test for the series. The TV series, 125 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: it was more so they said, how do I feel 126 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: about it. And my question to them was, when was 127 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: the last time that you saw a full figured body, 128 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: male or female, dark skinned, right, being made love to 129 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: on the screen? Right? And I felt that that image 130 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: of someone being full, you know, and being shown love, 131 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: being made love to, being loving, I thought that that 132 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: was just a revolutionary visual. 133 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: I always tell people who come on my show and 134 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: also the people who watch your listening to show, there's 135 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: a process. You know, this is never you know, you 136 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: have to meet with your other cast members and said 137 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: boundaries about what makes you feel comfortable makes that other 138 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: person feel comfortable, so it could feel natural. I'm sure 139 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: this happened with you on this series as well. Correct. 140 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we definitely have intimacy coaches, and the intimacy coach 141 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: is the interact in the media, in the middle, the 142 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: median that works between different actors, the directors, what the 143 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: script demands and how do we get there? 144 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: And it's really great. So I'm talking to Nico, I'm 145 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: calling my friend, you know, uncle Clifford. Uncle Clifford, because 146 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: it's somebody who comes into your life super confident, but 147 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: also it's surrounded by a world of people, not just women, 148 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: but the world of people customers who really don't don't 149 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: know what. They live in a fantasy world, and sometime 150 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: that fantasy world can be cruel. But I would tell 151 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: you this what I really like about this show, p Valley. 152 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: You see the word strip, you see the word black, 153 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: you just think you gonna see a ton of nudity, 154 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: And that is not the case. It's the story, it's 155 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: the characters, it's the is the latest the lines talk 156 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: about that because that's what people initially think. Correct, The 157 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: stereotype is when you hear black club, ship Club, you 158 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: hear nudity, n and that is not the case. In fact, 159 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: the nudity when I watched the series, it comes so 160 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: casual that I don't notice it because I'm so engaged 161 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: into the character's storyline. And that's really a blessing, correct Nico. 162 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: It's more than a blessing. I felt like it's a 163 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: necessity in the way that we had to tell the story. 164 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: This is definitely I think that Katory really wanted to 165 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: make sure that there's definitely the fact that women and 166 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: female bodies have really been looked at and used in 167 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: a certain way in cinema specifically and over sexualized. But 168 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: here in this world. I think that there's something that 169 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: we call the female gaze, and that's something that's always 170 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: asked of people that are different directors that are coming 171 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: on the show. That's something that we think about as 172 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: a cast in the female gaze that does not only 173 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: pertain to the female body. But how is it that 174 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: you can see the world without objectification. I think that 175 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: through that space you get to see the athleticism of 176 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: these polled answers and to see what it takes to 177 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: physically do the things that they are doing to haul 178 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: themselves up this pole, to to fly around, to walk 179 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: on the ceiling and on clouds. That's actually the big 180 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: metaphor for the show, the pole. The pole. There's a 181 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: line that always says, sometimes rising feels like falling, and 182 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: falling feels like rising. So the pole is actually meant 183 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: to be the metaphor for life and in a way 184 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: that we as black people, especially Black Southerners, have existed 185 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: and made it through the day. 186 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: Well, Nicole, he brought up the poll now oh tearsing 187 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: that Keisha, my god, don' don't get you, don't go. 188 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: Don't move too fast, because I got to get to them. 189 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: Outstanding credits showing and Mercedes. Okay, but let's first go 190 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: with Keysha. My my, my, my mind. I'm just talking 191 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: from an athletic stample and am I talking from a 192 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: sexual stample? What I'm seeing that she does on that 193 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: pole it has to be mouth dropping to the cast 194 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: and where did they find her? And what is her 195 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: background as an athlete? Because she has to have gymnastics 196 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: in her background. 197 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: Correct? 198 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: Why do you say that because of the fact she's 199 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: so comfortable on a poll, She's flexible, she's able to 200 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: she's able to manipulate it because I, like I said, 201 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it justice. You have to watch the 202 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: series to see what she's able to do. As far 203 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: as from a ballerina standpoint, she is really poet and 204 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: poetic on that poll. You know where Mercedes is a force. 205 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: Not saying she's not sexual, but she's a force. It's 206 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: like watching a running back and a wide receiver. 207 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more 208 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making 209 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass, hosted by Rashaan MacDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass 210 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: continues online at Moneymakingconversations Dot com and follow Money Making 211 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. 212 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: While receiver flows, you know what I'm saying, that's Keith Sean. 213 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: A running back can flow too, but it can hit 214 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: that hole and if you hit him, then you can 215 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: knock you off. That's Mercedes. That's right Mercedes, right, so 216 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: and so so you ain't gonna get me, Nico, I 217 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: know you're gonna get me. I watched you show. 218 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: No, I'm not trying to get you know What's what's 219 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: I love that you are actually saying that you use 220 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: the football metaphors and comparisons, and it definitely is accurate 221 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: all of the dancers. The thing about it is in 222 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: a strip club, every dancer has a different style. Some 223 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: of the dancers are like tworkers. So like there's a 224 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: group of our core dancers and some of them run 225 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: what in the club is called twrktown in talktown, or 226 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: like you know, the platform stages that are within the 227 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: actual club, not on the main stage with the pole, 228 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: and some of the girls who work there like toy. 229 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: But then when you talk about Miss Mississippi, who is 230 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: played by Shannon Thornton, she is that character is meant 231 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: to be like the masterpiece she's based off. She's called 232 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: Miss Mississippi because she moves like water, and her moving 233 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: like water is rooted in the African deity of Yame 234 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: y'all yea y'all, being the goddess of water and of power. 235 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: You know, Mercedes is like you mentioned, Mercedes is played 236 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: by Brandy Evans. I'm gonna say Brandy Norwood. 237 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: Singer. 238 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: That's not my friend the singer, but my friend the actress, 239 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: Miss Brandy Evans, and she her style of dancing is 240 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: definitely much more athletic. It's definitely much more physical, and 241 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: it also lends to the personality of the dancer, you know, 242 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: where there's levels of aggression or where there's level of fluidity. 243 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: I think that dance. Being a choreographer and Brandy being 244 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: a dancer, and Shannon having danced before. None of them 245 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: dance as pole dancers, but we're physical dancers. Ellen Rika Johnson, 246 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: who plays All the Night, she has an extensive background 247 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: in martial arts, so there was a level of physicality 248 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: that all of us had in our bodies. Right then, 249 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: what has to happen is that we go through a 250 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: training program, we go through boot camp, We literally go 251 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: through boot camp, just like all of the Marvel characters. 252 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: Just like we need to do an action movie, there's 253 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: about three to four months before we actually start filming 254 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: that everybody goes to pole classes, you go on to 255 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: stretch classes. Got to get your hips open, got to 256 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: get the back. You gotta do all the conditioning because 257 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: it tears up your hands, your knees, You get a 258 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: lot of ruising and things like that. And some of 259 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: the girls are definitely sharing some of that background on 260 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: social media that you know, you guys get to see 261 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: of what it all takes. Because the show and the 262 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: world is kind of meant to be our own kind 263 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: of urban circus. Solet so to speak, well. 264 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: That terms used actually in this series as well. So 265 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: used the Mississippi her character Keishawn's role because she's married 266 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: to a guy. I won't give too much of the 267 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: story away, but somebody she shouldn't be She shouldn't I 268 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't use the word married. She's she's living with a 269 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: guy who she has a child with that's not creating 270 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: a comfortable home life for her. And that slides into 271 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: the who I really love this guy who plays the 272 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: role of Diamond, you know, it's like, you know, not 273 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: often did you see a show where the bouncer is 274 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: sensitive but dangerous. You know what I'm saying. You know, 275 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, look at Diamond, you know a diamond. You know, 276 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: It's like, I feel that I could lose his he 277 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: could crush me, but then he can also pick me 278 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: up and take me and rescue me at the same 279 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: time after he's crushed me, you know what I'm saying, Nico, 280 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: So talk about those characters. When you see a character 281 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: like a Diamond's character and then then being able to 282 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: develop that how how special do you feel in the 283 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: role from episode to episode to episode. 284 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: I feel, I feel blessed. I feel really I know 285 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: that this is a special time as an artist, as 286 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: an actor, you don't always get roles that are so 287 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: rich and that are really rooted in a level of truth, 288 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: that represent your community, that can represent a fraction of 289 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: your life that you have been through. I think that 290 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: this show, it definitely takes all the different marginalized communities 291 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: all and the marginalized within the marginalized. You know. One 292 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: of the beautiful things and attractive points to me about 293 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: this project is that it wasn't just the women who 294 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: come in and out these doors. You talked about the bouncer, 295 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: our Diamond. That's the character's name, and Diamond is played 296 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: by Tyler Lepley, and Tyler is able to bring a 297 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: level of sensitivity as well as complexity to the role, 298 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: coming as a former armed officer, the officer of the law, 299 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: but armed forces, and what that did to him with 300 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: being in the war and that that postpartum that comes 301 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: from there. I think that it's also he's a he's 302 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: a root man, you know, he's a black man and 303 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: a Southern man that was raised in knowing the powers 304 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: of the earth and very strong African medicine and how 305 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: that works. And sometimes you don't get to see that 306 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: in an urban body, you know, in a contemporary body, 307 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: like what does that look like? You know, it's not 308 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: some kind of whodo hokey magic. It is literally something 309 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: that's rooted in tradition, like have you ever swept your 310 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: grandmother's foot by mistake? You know what I'm saying. So 311 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: that goes over the show. 312 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: You know, left, the left, the person on the floor, okay, 313 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: the person on the floor, you. 314 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: Know exactly those things, so that those kinds of things 315 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: in Southern Southern uh ism are woven into this story, 316 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 2: and that actually is the part of where Katroy started 317 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: her writing. Her writing has always used and highlighted Southern 318 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: culture and all of its capacities to make it so. 319 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: I'll change him. The music is fantastic, the characters are fantastic. 320 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: You know when you say Grandma, I'll be remissed, Nicole 321 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: if I don't bring up Loretta Devine. Okay, I've even 322 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: remiss if I don't bring up that character. 323 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: Brother. 324 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: I love this lady. Come on, come on, that's my 325 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: girl right there. 326 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: Man. 327 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: You know, she started on Netflix's Family Reunion and so 328 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: many other series you know, been around. Came from the 329 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: University of Houston, back in Houston, Texas, back in the 330 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: day a ka true and true. Tell us about absolutely 331 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: my friend. I'm Houston, Texas absolutely so seeing her and 332 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: seeing her play this this this uh this role which 333 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: is as is Isaiah Washington, who was on the first season. 334 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: He's from Houston, Texas, Missouri City, which is a suburb 335 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: of Houston, Texas. So talk about that relationship and her character. 336 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: Working with Loretta Devine, I always say is simply divide. 337 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: I had on a vision board to work with her 338 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: on I didn't know what project. You know, this was 339 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: just something that I just always loved her spirit and 340 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: her zeal. When I met her it was even more, 341 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: It was even more. She is such a rich treasure, 342 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: like she's like a national treasure to to us as 343 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: a people. I can't, I can't. I want it to 344 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: just say to me, but I don't want to hold 345 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: her to myself. When we work together, it is awesome. 346 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: It is so much fun. We always have a level. 347 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: I tend to do this generally when I'm playing Uncle Quifford. 348 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of improv that happens prior to We 349 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: always do improv scenes prior to the scene to get 350 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: us in the flow because we just want to be 351 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: in the moment. I am from Detroit, as you mentioned earlier, 352 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: but my family. 353 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: Is rooted in the South absolutely. 354 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: No, Detroit is just nothing but up South. 355 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: Yes. 356 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: Yes, So there's a level of comfortability that we have 357 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: with one another, and we really just bounce off and 358 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: she's able to really just be there and drop in. 359 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: Sometimes we actually forget that, you know, we're not really 360 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: related in real life. You know, you know, she's amazing cool. 361 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking to Nico. He's one of the stars and 362 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: an incredibly popular series of stars that we're called The 363 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: Pea Valley. I always try to educate myself. I always 364 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: try to uplift I always try to bring information to 365 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: the show that we all need to be aware of. 366 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: And I also learned there's a a level of respect 367 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: we have to have for everybody. And now in your introduction, 368 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: I said, he demystifies the myth around Southern black men, 369 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: black gay men, and those identifying in the non binary 370 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: space and who live four lives. As we close out 371 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: this interview, please explain to us exactly the importance of 372 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: that and what are you trying to What am I 373 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: trying to say when I say that what I just said. 374 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 2: I think what you are saying to me. How I 375 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: receive it is that it is a new day. It 376 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: is a time where we regardless of how you identify, 377 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: I think it's the time where we can see all 378 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: of us well, when we can acknowledge all of us, 379 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: and when we can talk about it. I come from 380 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: a time from when it used to be the question 381 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: of are you sweet or do you have sugar in 382 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: your tank? Or back in the day even Red Fox 383 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: and saying from the sign, he was like, you know 384 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: he's a little m M. You know, there were things 385 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: that people always talked about, and I think that the 386 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 2: importance of today is that we really get to be 387 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: able to meet each other human being to human being. 388 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: The character that I play Uncle Clifford is non binary, 389 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: and that's a person who is equally accepting of all 390 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: of the things that cannot be held into a restrictive box. 391 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: And I think when you have a question of how 392 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: someone identifies you, simply do that you can ask. That 393 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: is the level of respect because one of the things 394 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: I find with play Uncle Clifford that no matter who 395 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: you are or where you come from, you respect her. 396 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: I think you respect her because you see her. So 397 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: you see this body that is six two. You see 398 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: this dark skin, these full lips, you see this beard, 399 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: but you see this pretty face, and you see these nails, 400 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: and you're like, what's going on? But you see someone 401 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: walking with a level of confidence and clarity even more so, 402 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 2: and it's not even about any kind of bravado, you 403 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: know what I mean? I think because when you see 404 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: a woman that is walking in her full femininity, I 405 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: don't think that she has to be soft or she 406 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: has to be in a pants suit to have authority. 407 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: You understanding what I mean, And you don't think that 408 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: a brother that he has to be wearing a moon 409 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: move to be in touch with his feelings. You can 410 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: be who you are in your sweatpants, in your athletic socks, 411 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: in your business, in your moomoo, all of the things right, 412 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: especially for us as a community. I feel so proud 413 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: for this moment, honestly, brother, because there are people who 414 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: still have high levels of homophobia, absolutely for sure. But 415 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: what I do know about this time that I'm living 416 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: in and this project, is that there are people who 417 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: are willing to make a change, that are opening their minds, 418 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: that are opening their minds not only to the LGBTQ 419 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: plus can be unity in the full spectrum that we have, 420 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: you know, between bisexual, pan sexual trends as well as 421 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 2: pan sexual. You know that I like it all. I 422 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: think that I think that people have really stigmatized sex 423 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: workers and pole dancers for so long, right, and then 424 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: they watch this program and they're like, Oh, they're real 425 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: people just like me. They're going they're working their way 426 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: through school, they're taking care of their children. Yes, Oh, 427 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: they're helping their grandparents, their caretakers. You know, you can 428 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: go to the dentists and you not know that your 429 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: dentist used to be upon the pole or your dentists 430 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: used to be diamond at a club. We all have 431 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: a history, but we also have the power to ReadWrite 432 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: our future. 433 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Right absolutely, But Nico, I want to thank you. First 434 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: of all, I want to give you a voice. I 435 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: wanted to say thank you for allowing me to be 436 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: entertained every Sunday. And if I miss it on Sunday, 437 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: I see it on't repeat on my streaming. Great character. Well, 438 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: you know the thing I like, and as we close 439 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: this interview out is that your character is not over 440 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: the top. It's a character I found very realistic, you know. 441 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: And but you just planning who you are, and I 442 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: think that's what you just said, just being the person 443 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: who you are. It doesn't have to be dressed a 444 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: certain way. You can You're the same person in a 445 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: in a kulox, You're the same person in shorts. You're 446 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: the same person in a dress. You the same person 447 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: in the suit, same person with the blood wig. You're 448 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: the same person. It's just being administered in a different 449 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: look And that's the exciting part about this show is 450 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: that Pea Valley is a show with a different looks 451 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: set in a small town, fictional city in Mississippi. The 452 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: music is great, the acting is great, the drama is great. 453 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: More importantly, you will fall in love with the characters. 454 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: If you can't find stars network, find it drop that 455 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: app Thank you for taking the time to come on 456 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Master Class. You are a star, and 457 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: not only on p Valley, but you're just a star 458 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: of real life. 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