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Speaker 2: Thanks for allowing me to get in early today. I
Speaker 2: don't have the tea time like church over there. We
Speaker 2: got a lot going on in the city that I'm
Speaker 2: a part of. So excited to be with you guys
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Speaker 4: Kurt and are Barry don't understand it yet, but this
Speaker 4: is really just going to be a draft show.
Speaker 5: If that's the case, Kurt's going to have us ride
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Speaker 4: While throw it together and get it done early. We
Speaker 4: have Kurt Daniels from hanging with the boys.
Speaker 6: What's going on, Kurt.
Speaker 5: I'm glad to see you guys.
Speaker 7: Always fun to hang out with some new company around here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 6: It's a little bit different than Nate Shannon and Jesse right.
Speaker 7: Well, you know that one's we're always just steps away
Speaker 7: from driving into the ditch.
Speaker 2: So at least they got somebody that put their hands
Speaker 2: on the wheel. You can lean over and like maybe
Speaker 2: touch the brake over there.
Speaker 8: Sometimes try.
Speaker 5: I try.
Speaker 6: Then you've got Nate like slapping the hand down and
Speaker 6: say no.
Speaker 5: Let's keep this thing wrong.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite Nate story was I was doing a
Speaker 2: pregame with him one time, or actually a postgam sorry,
Speaker 2: and and I was just going off as one of
Speaker 2: those bad cowboy losses. And I was just going off
Speaker 2: on it and and and we went to commercial. Lindsay
Speaker 2: Draper through at the break and Nate.
Speaker 5: Looks at me.
Speaker 2: He goes, you're trying to get fired, aren't you. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like Nate, he goes, I know I
Speaker 2: feel the same way, man, I just can't say it
Speaker 2: the way you say it. That's the fun thing about
Speaker 2: working with Nate. He always he's always going to give
Speaker 2: you his opinion on the.
Speaker 5: Will toe the line. He does a great job of it.
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Speaker 8: Have my fingerprints all over it.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 8: But I'm glad i'm here early.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Usually I got the two PM the middle of the day,
Speaker 9: you know, I can't get that swing in. But today,
Speaker 9: today is a different story.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit different. We got the coat and
Speaker 5: tie guys here today with us as well. Yeah, true, true.
Speaker 4: It was funny because when Derek first released the nine Am,
Speaker 4: we saw it at the same time that Cowboys fans
Speaker 4: saw it. We didn't get any heads up, no email
Speaker 4: where they was like, hey, can you make it? Like No,
Speaker 4: Derek just threw it out there and said here it is.
Speaker 4: And my first thought was, man, that's early for BC.
Speaker 4: But he gets on the golf course too.
Speaker 6: Gotta wake up a little bit earlier.
Speaker 4: But now you get to go swing the golf clubs
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Speaker 5: But we do have some some cowboys to talk about.
Speaker 4: And I really wanted to use today and Monday as
Speaker 4: a state of the organization, kind of a bye week
Speaker 4: checkup self, say yeah, self, scout, kind of look in words,
Speaker 4: see what this team is. Did we over anticipate? Did
Speaker 4: we put too much expectations, too many expectations on this
Speaker 4: team going into the season.
Speaker 5: Or was it just right?
Speaker 4: Do you still believe that this team can get where
Speaker 4: they need to get in order to push for an
Speaker 4: NFC championship game, in order to push for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I'll start with you, Brian, whenever you look at the
Speaker 4: expectations that you had specifically for this team going into
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Have they wavered to this point in
Speaker 4: the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there was going to be a loss
Speaker 2: or two along the way that you didn't expect. We
Speaker 2: got that one early in Arizona. I thought they were
Speaker 2: going to steal a game somewhere that you didn't expect.
Speaker 2: We really haven't seen that one yet. You know, maybe
Speaker 2: that San Francisco. Everybody had San Francisco, you know, sign
Speaker 2: either above or right where the Cowboys were to be
Speaker 2: foreign two at this point, you know, I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit I shouldn't say I'm not surprised, because I was
Speaker 2: one of those guys when you make.
Speaker 5: June predictions on the radio.
Speaker 2: It was, Okay, they're gonna be three and three, and
Speaker 2: McCarthy's gonna hand over the play calling to Brian Schottenheimmer.
Speaker 2: I just thought there was just so much turnover on
Speaker 2: the offensive staff. I was thinking, it's gonna take some
Speaker 2: games for some continuity here.
Speaker 5: So I believe that right where I thought.
Speaker 2: Maybe defensively I'm a little bit more concerned than I
Speaker 2: was going coming out of training camp, But offensively I
Speaker 2: kind of felt this is maybe where they were gonna
Speaker 2: be the first six games. Defensively, it's there's been some
Speaker 2: challenges for them.
Speaker 7: What do you think, Kurt, Yeah, I kind of agree
Speaker 7: that record wise, Yeah, fourign two, this is probably where
Speaker 7: you expect them to be with a lot of hope
Speaker 7: always coming into the season, but then you had it's
Speaker 7: the way the wins and losses came. Yeah, when you
Speaker 7: blew out Giants, blew out Patriots, all going to the
Speaker 7: Super Bowl, and then you just get dismantled by the
Speaker 7: forty nine ers. So some reason the four and two
Speaker 7: seems worse than maybe it is. So yeah, I agree
Speaker 7: with Brian. There's some concerns both offensively and defensively, a
Speaker 7: lot of self scouting. I hope it gets done this week,
Speaker 7: but at least record wise, you know they're in a
Speaker 7: good spot.
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, I'm gonna make it a three for three
Speaker 8: on this one.
Speaker 9: When you talk about record wise, I feel like this
Speaker 9: team is kind of right where we thought they would be.
Speaker 9: I didn't think they would drop that Arizona game, so
Speaker 9: I had them coming around five and one, losing only
Speaker 9: the San Francisco out there. But when you talk about offensively,
Speaker 9: I think this is where I kind of figured they
Speaker 9: would be at because you talked Mike McCarthy was talking
Speaker 9: in the offseason it was all about controlling the clock,
Speaker 9: ground and pound, and we're gonna.
Speaker 8: Play to the strength of our defense.
Speaker 9: And I think that's what you've seen so far from
Speaker 9: this Texas Coast whatever West Coast offense, whatever you want
Speaker 9: to call it.
Speaker 8: I think they've played to the strength, which is the defense.
Speaker 9: What's concerning for me, and I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 9: piggyback on what Brian was saying.
Speaker 8: Is defensively, it just hasn't been consistent. When you're going
Speaker 8: against that wouldn't even say powerhouses like Arizona.
Speaker 9: You're going against an athletic quarterback who gave your defense
Speaker 9: fits and the run game that gave your defense fits.
Speaker 9: And we saw that all last year. You know, with
Speaker 9: the drafting of Mazi Smith, Hankins coming in there, you know,
Speaker 9: Diggi Zua rowing in his in his defensive line problems.
Speaker 9: We thought, okay, maybe we can get this situation under control.
Speaker 9: But then Arizona hit you off with two hundred. We
Speaker 9: seen what the forty nine ers were able to do.
Speaker 9: So to me, you know the strength of this team
Speaker 9: is still defensively, but it's a little bit concerning just
Speaker 9: a little bit concerning of the gases that the defense
Speaker 9: has been given up, because we look at that game
Speaker 9: last week, Herbert, who I think he's one of the
Speaker 9: better quarterbacks in.
Speaker 8: The league, he missed a lot of wide open throws
Speaker 8: out there.
Speaker 9: There was a lot of coverages where cats were wide
Speaker 9: open out there. So you know, the self doubting what
Speaker 9: happened during the bye week, and hopefully we can get
Speaker 9: this thing kind of put together. But defensively, I do
Speaker 9: have some concerns.
Speaker 8: I think it's.
Speaker 4: Interesting when you talk about the defense because going back
Speaker 4: to what Kurt said initially, with the way that the
Speaker 4: wins and losses came, the defense looked historic. I mean,
Speaker 4: that was what we were talking about, right and he
Speaker 4: was saying turnovers, takeaways, yards per game, it didn't matter.
Speaker 4: This defense was gonna get it done. And now you're
Speaker 4: starting to see some of the cracks in the armor.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's from injuries. Maybe Trayvon Diggs was a bigger
Speaker 4: loss than anticipating.
Speaker 5: Maybe Layton vander Esh was a bigger loss.
Speaker 4: Than anticipate, even though you won the game without Layton
Speaker 4: vander Esh in the fold. But I think the expectations
Speaker 4: have shifted more from my perspective on the defensive.
Speaker 5: Side of things than it has on the offensive side.
Speaker 4: Kind of going along with what Brian said earlier, change
Speaker 4: of staff, change of scheme, change of system, it was
Speaker 4: gonna look a little bit different offensively. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I had an utmost confidence in what this team
Speaker 4: was gonna do. I thought maybe they would maybe utilize
Speaker 4: the weapons a little bit more, the guys on the outside,
Speaker 4: little Ceede Lamb, little Brandon Cooks more so. But I
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily have the sky high expectations Offensively. We haven't
Speaker 4: seen it from the defense though. That historic look that
Speaker 4: we had through the first.
Speaker 2: Two games, well, there's people, I know, the national media,
Speaker 2: and really you know, if you focus on that, they'll
Speaker 2: tell you, well, Dallas, you know, was on their way
Speaker 2: to you know, we always compare the eighty five Bears
Speaker 2: or the Ravens, whatever, great defense, the Boom, the Legion boom,
Speaker 2: the doomsday defenses.
Speaker 5: Here in Dallas that they've had in the seventies.
Speaker 2: But you know, you're you're kind of like those were
Speaker 2: the comparisons, and then you start to kind of you know,
Speaker 2: the digs injury I think is huge, just because to me,
Speaker 2: they were so much better off digs. And we're seeing
Speaker 2: some stuff with Gilmore that I know, maybe we'll get
Speaker 2: into about him. There's some slippage going on with Gilmour there,
Speaker 2: and it's not that the mental slippage or the desire
Speaker 2: and all that, it's some physical stuff with him. He
Speaker 2: doesn't run as well, he doesn't have his quickness, but
Speaker 2: he's smart and he's willing, he's tough. He'll do what
Speaker 2: he has to do to He's going to have to
Speaker 2: play the seasons on a lot of guts and just
Speaker 2: instinct because he does doesn't have that ability to chase
Speaker 2: people like he once did and stayed with people like
Speaker 2: he once did. So that's something Another thing for this defense.
Speaker 2: I thought the safety play was going to be a
Speaker 2: lot better. I'm sorry, Buried. No offense to the great
Speaker 2: safeties that have played the but my favorite player ever
Speaker 2: in football is a safety for Darren Woodson.
Speaker 5: Ur yeah, Arry Church.
Speaker 2: But but the thing about it is, though the safety
Speaker 2: play hasn't been as great, you know, and that's and
Speaker 2: that's been an issue for this for this team too.
Speaker 5: They create a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2: The turnovers, all those things were kind of you know,
Speaker 2: like you're thinking, like, you know, eighty five Bears, level pressures,
Speaker 2: all those things, eighty five Bears. But then the Arizona
Speaker 2: game and then people started kind of figuring out a
Speaker 2: little bit. San Francisco exposed some things that Arizona did
Speaker 2: to you. You know, the Chargers tried to do some
Speaker 2: things to you. Bearers, absolutely right. They missed some huge plays,
Speaker 2: but probably because some of that pressure affected the way
Speaker 2: that the quarterback you know, was navigating that game. So
Speaker 2: it's it's it's gonna be interesting going for you always
Speaker 2: say it's going to be interesting. I just wonder how
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to mask some of the
Speaker 2: things that some of the deficiencies they have. It was
Speaker 2: nice to see Deimoon Clark have.
Speaker 5: A really good game.
Speaker 2: He was really good against the Patriots, but before that
Speaker 2: he really hadn't been very good. He played very well
Speaker 2: in this past game. But are teams going to figure
Speaker 2: out having Bell down in the box no more? Until
Speaker 2: Van der Esh gets back and we'll see how they
Speaker 2: adjust to that.
Speaker 7: I'm a little surprised to hear all of you talk
Speaker 7: about the concerns with the defense, because there are concerns,
Speaker 7: but they're still top five defense or so they're going
Speaker 7: to win you some games. But to me, it's the offense.
Speaker 7: Maybe I bought into the hope of the Texas Coast,
Speaker 7: but I just wonder if this offense is going to
Speaker 7: be on to well, I think the offense offense is
Speaker 7: are they a chance?
Speaker 5: So I think I.
Speaker 2: Think that we were all cheerleading for this, these five
Speaker 2: guys to play together, you know, and then we you know,
Speaker 2: you didn't see that at all in training camp and McCarthy,
Speaker 2: you know, by people could say, well, they didn't play
Speaker 2: together in training camp and all that, and you throw
Speaker 2: that out there.
Speaker 5: But you know what they did.
Speaker 2: They developed some backups to the point where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is you know this guy has to play. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: you know, you know whoever has to play. I'm comfortable
Speaker 2: with those guys going in the game now. It's not
Speaker 2: an unknown. The worry for me from the Cowboy offense
Speaker 2: is the five guys that are playing right now. Because
Speaker 2: you go back and you watch y'all twenty two, which
Speaker 2: we all do. You know you're going to just go
Speaker 2: through And I did it for my radio show yesterday
Speaker 2: one O five to three the Fan. It broke down
Speaker 2: every single run that they had. And there's a common
Speaker 2: thread about this, and you could talk about continuity and
Speaker 2: all that, but they were never going to get continuity.
Speaker 2: Zach Martin held out majority training camp. You know, they
Speaker 2: chose not to play Tyron Smith, you know, even practice
Speaker 2: him in times. You know, there was a lot of
Speaker 2: things that they felt like that maybe they were Okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to get these five guys back and we're
Speaker 2: going to be okay about it, but they as a
Speaker 2: unit have not played. So I know that Zach Martin
Speaker 2: played on one leg last game. I mean, he's got
Speaker 2: the thigh problem that he was really playing on one leg.
Speaker 2: I thought Beadish was hurt. Beadish is not hurt. He's
Speaker 2: just had some rough goes at it. This offensive line
Speaker 2: has not been as good as we all thought it
Speaker 2: was going to be. And that's to your point if
Speaker 2: you asked me an offensive question problem. And they don't
Speaker 2: block very well with the tight ends a point of
Speaker 2: attack right now, that's something else that's been You look
Speaker 2: at the running game and you could throw it on
Speaker 2: Pollard and no Zeke and all that, but you watch
Speaker 2: what happens up front. They're trying to scheme. Some things
Speaker 2: they just physically don't win enough one on one battles
Speaker 2: or combo blocks, or when they pull they can't get
Speaker 2: the second guy up into the second level. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of things going on with this offensive line.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and when you talk about that offensive line, we
Speaker 9: saw the biggest plays out of that out of that
Speaker 9: Chargers game. Whereas when Dak was off schedule, when it
Speaker 9: wasn't let me sit back, I got protection, let me
Speaker 9: go ahead and rifle his ball in there. It was
Speaker 9: things were breaking down all around, and protection broken down.
Speaker 9: The biggest play of the game with Pollard, everything was
Speaker 9: going around. He should have should have been said he
Speaker 9: got out of that thing. He threw it across body
Speaker 9: and made a huge play. So I'm definitely concerned about
Speaker 9: the offensive line going forward. But I also got to
Speaker 9: throw something at these receivers as well. I mean, look,
Speaker 9: Ceede Lamb. He had a good game, but also he's
Speaker 9: going against the worst passing secondary in the National Football League,
Speaker 9: So I expect the guy like that have to go off.
Speaker 8: But the rest of these guys we're talking about Gallup Cooks.
Speaker 9: He was four for four, four targets, four receptions in
Speaker 9: a TD but Gallup, you had ten ten targets out there.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 9: Our secondary three catches I think for twenty four yards.
Speaker 9: That's not going to cut it. Because when you go
Speaker 9: against these upper echelon defenses like we went against the
Speaker 9: forty nine ers, they're going to figure out a way
Speaker 9: to slow down Ceede Lamb's production out there. We're gonna
Speaker 9: have to have these rest of these guys win these
Speaker 9: one on one battles, and that's something that we haven't
Speaker 9: seen so far from this year from this wide receiver corps.
Speaker 9: When you talk about separation and being able to get
Speaker 9: the ball and win these one on one battles, we.
Speaker 8: Just haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 9: So that's another concern with the offense as far as
Speaker 9: production and how they're going to move this football well.
Speaker 5: Real quick too.
Speaker 2: If you're one of those people out there that says
Speaker 2: Dak has to have everything, has to have, the line
Speaker 2: have to have, the receiver, has to have, the running
Speaker 2: game and all that, he won you the game without
Speaker 2: any of that last go yeah, I mean and that
Speaker 2: you know, So if you're if you're one of those
Speaker 2: guys or galas, it's like, well, Dak's got to have
Speaker 2: it it's got to be perfect, it's gonna out. No,
Speaker 2: he proved us all wrong the other day, the way
Speaker 2: you were talking about moving around finding you know, keeping
Speaker 2: his eyes down the field. Pollard did a hell of
Speaker 2: a job and the Blitz pick up stuff. But they
Speaker 2: they've got to have more.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: People say, well, should Tolbert get more opportunity? I don't
Speaker 2: know if they will that. I don't know if they're
Speaker 2: going to give Tolbert more of an opportunity over Gallop.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to just keep playing because but
Speaker 2: the problem is when and we all know it's about
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup. Yeah, when there's when there's we all know
Speaker 2: about Michael Gallup. There's two really good games in three
Speaker 2: games where.
Speaker 5: He does nothing. It's been his history.
Speaker 2: You know, but you but they just keep rolling with him.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if we're going to see more
Speaker 2: of Tolbert, really, I don't. I think they're going to
Speaker 2: try and find Hey, let's get cooks, let's with Lamb.
Speaker 2: You could have thrown him twenty balls the other day
Speaker 2: and he'd caught all twenty. That's just the way that
Speaker 2: game was going to go. Yeah, But I just I don't.
Speaker 5: S don't know.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to throw Tolbart and there get all those
Speaker 2: gallop reps. I don't know if they're going to do that.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 4: Kurt, you were talking about the concern on the offensive
Speaker 4: side of the ball wood getting just weapons involved in general,
Speaker 4: whether it's Cooks or Lamb or Tolbert. If you wanted
Speaker 4: to throw Tolbert into the mix there too, gallop. Just
Speaker 4: getting those guys involved baseline improvement coming out of the
Speaker 4: bye week.
Speaker 6: Would that help you in terms of your offensive concern
Speaker 6: I think so.
Speaker 7: The Ringer had a story last week. I thought it
Speaker 7: was pretty interesting that this isn't a Dak problem, it's
Speaker 7: a play calling problem. And you know, Dak is among
Speaker 7: the leader league leaders in complete some percentage and some
Speaker 7: other categories that you know, he's twenty sixth and yards
Speaker 7: per catch or whatever it's that, and they're currently raked
Speaker 7: last and use some motion percentage. I mean, I just
Speaker 7: think that there's some things that need to come out
Speaker 7: of this break offensively, that maybe you have the weapons.
Speaker 7: You got to get the bar in Lamb's hands. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Ferguson is here hitting this. The other receivers Finally, we
Speaker 7: saw cooks. I think they need to find ways. They
Speaker 7: have some players maybe they're just not using them quite
Speaker 7: like they should.
Speaker 5: So we've talked about the quarterback a little bit.
Speaker 4: We've talked about the offensive line, we talked about the weapons,
Speaker 4: and now we kind of turned to the coaching staff
Speaker 4: on the offense.
Speaker 5: Can I throw something in real quick too?
Speaker 2: Your backup tight ends are doing absolutely nothing tight ends, Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, you your backup tight ends uh limited, you know,
Speaker 2: like two catches, three catches whatever, you know exactly. So
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of things. To me, I
Speaker 2: really do believe it starts upfront with what they're doing
Speaker 2: right now. I think that affects that to me is
Speaker 2: your engine and the play call in is you know
Speaker 2: the thing with Mike he and call plays what seven
Speaker 2: or eight years, you know, I mean, And there's people
Speaker 2: that will say that if you listen to national media,
Speaker 2: and sometimes you always shouldn't listen to national media. But
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, maybe the game's passed him buys
Speaker 2: a play caller, you know, maybe that's why you know
Speaker 2: that they don't you know, we see all these guys
Speaker 2: down in Miami or the guys at the Rams, or
Speaker 2: you know, the guy that can't see Andy Reid.
Speaker 5: That these guys adapt as they go.
Speaker 2: They're like, listen, we've got to figure out more ways
Speaker 2: to do things. And you know that's that's my worry
Speaker 2: that Mike, you know, might be a little bit said
Speaker 2: in his ways of how he's going to run this offense.
Speaker 2: But I don't think his offensive play calls will matter
Speaker 2: unless they fix what's going on up front.
Speaker 4: Well if I mean they watched the same film that
Speaker 4: we do, right, I mean they.
Speaker 6: Watch the same ALL twenty two.
Speaker 4: When you look at it, I think that you can
Speaker 4: hopefully when you're watching the ALL twenty two up front,
Speaker 4: I mean you can't look at.
Speaker 6: The offensive line and say, man, these guys are just
Speaker 6: blocking it up for Dak Prescott. These guys have made
Speaker 6: up pocket.
Speaker 5: It's great.
Speaker 6: No, there's leakage upfront.
Speaker 4: You can see that Dak showed that quite a bit
Speaker 4: just by moving and maneuvering out of it, getting out
Speaker 4: of trouble.
Speaker 5: Do you think that affects the play.
Speaker 4: Calling from Mike McCarthy knowing confidence wise, Okay, we may
Speaker 4: not have as much time upfront, so I've got.
Speaker 2: To call a play this way as opposed to that.
Speaker 2: I think Arizona game was I think he and he
Speaker 2: admitted it. He admitted it that that that the night
Speaker 2: before the game, he loses three offensive linemen and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's like, Okay, well, here's my massive
Speaker 2: play card that looks like a menu at uh, you know, wherever? Yeah, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 2: what's our cheesecake? Cheesecake fatty?
Speaker 5: Yeah? They hand you that manual, you know, like war
Speaker 5: in peace, and.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, well, I think i'll have you're doing that, Mike.
Speaker 2: That's what Mike's play call sheet looks like. It looks
Speaker 2: like it looks like that that menu. And you know,
Speaker 2: he had to probably take off sections that he wanted
Speaker 2: to call in that game. But the offensive line in
Speaker 2: that game, because of they did all the work in
Speaker 2: the preseason, held up early. Well, that wasn't the problem.
Speaker 2: He got scared because of that. And I do feel
Speaker 2: like though, there's some things like people are looking at
Speaker 2: this offense the way they're running the football, and in
Speaker 2: this last game especially, it just they're like, oh, what's
Speaker 2: this three yards and a cloud of dust?
Speaker 5: Offense?
Speaker 2: It looks that way because they're trying to get the
Speaker 2: ball to the edge with pullers.
Speaker 5: And you know, and and guy and and it.
Speaker 2: It's just so cluttered at the point of attack that
Speaker 2: Pollock's hap it or you know, these guys are doubt
Speaker 2: all having to take it back inside and it looks
Speaker 2: like inside run every time. And it's really they're trying
Speaker 2: to get the ball to the edge, but they just
Speaker 2: they're losing so many blocks. And again in that game
Speaker 2: uh La last Monday night, it's just you know, you
Speaker 2: can't you can't do that. You can't pull guys and
Speaker 2: try and set things up and then have guys just
Speaker 2: get you know, taken apart at the point of attack.
Speaker 7: So is it a learning to get the chemistry again?
Speaker 7: Is it a you know, got mikelari in a new scheme,
Speaker 7: or is it this is that aging talent is not
Speaker 7: what we thought it was.
Speaker 2: Well, you get a banged up guard, a banged up
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame guard. You've got a left tackle that
Speaker 2: is a Hall of famer. But he's not the same
Speaker 2: guy at all. He's not the same guy. He doesn't
Speaker 2: have the lateral slide. There was a time where Murray
Speaker 2: the linebacker just completely outruns him and you know, maybe
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith five years ago.
Speaker 5: He's he's like, he takes that heart in sidestep.
Speaker 2: And then he's up second level and he's pushing that
Speaker 2: linebacker completely past the play, but now he can't get Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's well the right tack he is, he's they're not.
Speaker 2: We've seen we've seen Martin and Steel combo block and
Speaker 2: second level, that thing where it's just together and they
Speaker 2: push and then they get it walled off and now
Speaker 2: there goes the ball. Ye you know, we've seen it
Speaker 2: where it's hit its spots and it's like, oh, here
Speaker 2: we go. That's what let see. Haven't seen that as
Speaker 2: much this year. The tight ends aren't winning as much
Speaker 2: as they and that's been a problem. They draft Schoonmaker.
Speaker 2: I'm the biggest Loop Schoonmaker fan in the building.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: During the draft show and all that, we're talking about it.
Speaker 2: But and then they use mcew and is a trail
Speaker 2: on a on a pull and he gets whacked two
Speaker 2: different times, never gets a block, So why and why
Speaker 2: you pulling guys Hunter Lipkey? He gets whacked at the
Speaker 2: point of attack. So you're you're trying to create things.
Speaker 2: You're trying to create, You're saying, Okay, I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: my best guy and try and put him in a
Speaker 2: position to block, and then they get whacked at the
Speaker 2: point of attack. Now you're like going, well, okay, what
Speaker 2: am I trying to do here? My game plan was
Speaker 2: built on trying to move my linemen and pull guys
Speaker 2: and take advantage of some counters.
Speaker 5: And it's not working, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean they went from that thirteen personnel stuff got
Speaker 2: just destroyed twice. Didn't run it in the second half.
Speaker 2: You know why, because Mike's like, whoop, across that one off.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna work today, minus one, negative two, okay, yeah,
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Speaker 4: It certainly is a concern upfront, and I think the
Speaker 4: offensive line with it, even with the starting five being
Speaker 4: where they are. Like you said, it's not the same
Speaker 4: as what we've anticipated, but there's other.
Speaker 5: Things we expected a lot more.
Speaker 2: Yes, and maybe maybe it can change it. Maybe it
Speaker 2: can change I think you're going to play better defensive lines.
Speaker 2: You're not going to probably always play defensive lines like
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. But on the horizon, if you squit,
Speaker 2: you can see that bunch in from the east, you know,
Speaker 2: standing right twice?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, don't forget about the commanders still up.
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Speaker 4: Oh man, Brian, you brought up the tight ends a
Speaker 4: little bit, and I'm going to talk about that going
Speaker 4: into this next segment because it is really a game changer, especially.
Speaker 6: In the modern day NFL.
Speaker 4: That sure is to have a game changing tight end
Speaker 4: to have a guy that you can rely on. Jake
Speaker 4: Ferguson has been as close to that as anybody on
Speaker 4: the roster so far. But outside of that, there really
Speaker 4: hasn't been.
Speaker 5: Hendershot's been nicked up a whole lot of hell it's hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, Luke Schooonmaker second round pick, bring back McEwan.
Speaker 4: I think it was unfortunate in the preseason they lost
Speaker 4: John Stevens.
Speaker 5: That was another dynamic receiver that you could have used.
Speaker 4: Barry as a former safety in the league, and you
Speaker 4: look at a tight end in the today's NFL. How
Speaker 4: imperative is it to have depth, to have not just
Speaker 4: one guy that you can rely on.
Speaker 6: I mean, even look at Kansas City. They didn't just
Speaker 6: have Kelsey, they got Gray Gray in there too.
Speaker 5: That's doing some things.
Speaker 4: You saw the Ertz and god It attack a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago with Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: How big is it to have other guys that you
Speaker 6: can mix a match well.
Speaker 9: From a defensive perspective, it's huge because when you're going
Speaker 9: out there and these guys can lock you in to
Speaker 9: a personnel group and you got to stay in that
Speaker 9: base personnel group to match up.
Speaker 8: With those guys.
Speaker 9: It's extremely tough, especially when you got a tight end
Speaker 9: out there who can block as well as be a
Speaker 9: receiving threat out there, because who you're gonna line up
Speaker 9: on them when you're in your base. You gotta either
Speaker 9: throw a linebacker out there who he can probably just outrun,
Speaker 9: or safety out there who he can out physical. I mean,
Speaker 9: we see it all the time. So having depth at
Speaker 9: that position in more than one guy is is of
Speaker 9: themost importance. And then when you look at the Cowboys,
Speaker 9: I think Ferguson he can be that guy in my opinion.
Speaker 5: He has the rout.
Speaker 9: Running ability and the receiving ability I think to be
Speaker 9: one of those abrechelon tight ends. Now when it comes
Speaker 9: to the block, and that's where he kind of slacks
Speaker 9: off at a little bit, kind of reminded me of
Speaker 9: Schultz a little bit in that regard. But overall, I
Speaker 9: think he can be that guy. We just got to
Speaker 9: bring a number two behind him in that regard. These
Speaker 9: guys have been dropping some tight or some dropping some
Speaker 9: touchdowns out there. When you look at Hndershot, when you
Speaker 9: look at Schoolmaker out there, and hopefully they can, you know,
Speaker 9: develop their game. But if we can get two of
Speaker 9: those guys going out there. I think it'll be a
Speaker 9: huge difference for this offense going forward, un.
Speaker 2: Til the forty nine ers kill you too. They're getting
Speaker 2: that twenty two personnel, you know, the two bad two
Speaker 2: tight ends, and they and they move guys and they
Speaker 2: they just they find ways to take advantage. And I
Speaker 2: think the Cowboys would like to do some of the
Speaker 2: things tight end packages. You know, I don't know how
Speaker 2: much they really this is being reckless. I don't know
Speaker 2: how much they really trust Luke Schoonmaker right now. You know,
Speaker 2: there's things. I mean, he he has been getting opportunities
Speaker 2: in the previous game.
Speaker 5: This last week.
Speaker 2: He didn't get as many opportunities in these games. And
Speaker 2: maybe they felt like that they could attack this charger
Speaker 2: secondary with the with their wide outs and you know,
Speaker 2: getting eleven personnel stuff and be able to But you know,
Speaker 2: they've they've got to They're they're they're lacking right now.
Speaker 5: As a unit when it comes to their their run blocking.
Speaker 2: It just hasn't been And that's one of the reasons
Speaker 2: why I was cheerleading for Schoonmaker because I'd seen him
Speaker 2: at Michigan. When you watch Michigan run the football, Blake
Speaker 2: Korum and those guys. They hammer that ball and it
Speaker 2: was a lot of time it was schoonmaker either uh
Speaker 2: you know, in line why right next to the tackle,
Speaker 2: pushing or movement, and then being that guy at the
Speaker 2: point of attack.
Speaker 5: They need to do something with him in that way.
Speaker 2: I think he would be a better fit, better option
Speaker 2: than what they have with Sean McEwen. I've yet to
Speaker 2: see Sean McEwan take his nose and stick it in
Speaker 2: the middle of somebody's numbers and get that kind of
Speaker 2: that push. I'm sure there's somebody that will find a
Speaker 2: clip of him blocking, but I know in this game
Speaker 2: the other day, it was he was.
Speaker 5: Not a factor like they were asking him to be.
Speaker 4: I think the one thing, sorry Kurt, that I remember
Speaker 4: with McEwen is he's a good downfield blocker, but he's.
Speaker 6: Not a good in line blocker. He's just not.
Speaker 5: That's what they're asking him to do.
Speaker 2: And he's pulling on the back side of a you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's Tyler Smith pulling and him on the trail
Speaker 2: and now they're getting just guys are getting just compressed
Speaker 2: at the point, and you know it's like he's kind
Speaker 2: of like I'm not sure where to go. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure where to be, and then his guy leaks off
Speaker 2: and then makes a play, and then you wonder why
Speaker 2: it's a two yard game and why they're running into
Speaker 2: a brick wall here.
Speaker 7: So how do you fix that problem?
Speaker 8: Can you gaming up differently?
Speaker 5: I don't gets better. Well, that's the whole idea.
Speaker 2: You drafted Scoonmaker with the thought of being that point
Speaker 2: of attack, getting the push guy. I would maybe consider
Speaker 2: flipping him and Sean McEwan out, but they might say,
Speaker 2: well listen, we you know, with Ferguson, Ferguson will fight
Speaker 2: his ass off, but he's just limited right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: they take him and he gets compressed. There's defenders, will
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's like a little hole, natural crease there,
Speaker 2: you know, with they get all the blocks where they
Speaker 2: get him set up, and then Ferguson's fighting pressure, but
Speaker 2: he's getting rocked into the hole. And now Pollard's looking
Speaker 2: at it like, wait a minute, where's the hole?
Speaker 5: It was there?
Speaker 2: Now it's not there kind of a thing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Kurt, I I don't know, maybe in maybe
Speaker 2: in a year. Yeah, that sounds terrible to say. With
Speaker 2: Luke Schoonmaker growing and doing what he has to do.
Speaker 2: But they maybe they have to think about should we
Speaker 2: try and run the ball away from strength, you know,
Speaker 2: if we're gonna cut off, Yeah, if we're gonna if
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a deal where you're I'm not a coordinator.
Speaker 2: I'm just a radio guy. I mean, I've done this now,
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying though, maybe your tendency is if
Speaker 2: you runned the ball behind say Ferguson in line that
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're trying to like create you know,
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, we're gonna take it to the strength
Speaker 2: side of the formation.
Speaker 5: Maybe think about some more weak.
Speaker 2: Side runs is what I was thinking about here, just
Speaker 2: to kind of not let people overplay and kill your
Speaker 2: tight ends at the point of attack.
Speaker 8: And that's what it sounds like, like they're struggling with power.
Speaker 2: It is and it is and it's and you know too,
Speaker 2: like I said, Steele and Martin haven't been as clean
Speaker 2: as And we interview Zach Martin every Thursday on the
Speaker 2: g Bag Nation and we talked about and he loves
Speaker 2: playing next to Steel And you got to give still
Speaker 2: a lot of credit when they were running the ball
Speaker 2: when they when when the Cowboys have run the ball
Speaker 2: in the past, those two guys have been a big
Speaker 2: part of it because of their ability to combo block
Speaker 2: and push that you know, secure the down lineman and
Speaker 2: get up on that line back.
Speaker 4: And there's also a lot of analytics that even this
Speaker 4: year show that Tony Pollard loves.
Speaker 6: To finish because you were talking about it too. Where
Speaker 6: they're trying to get to the outside and then they
Speaker 6: got to cut back inside.
Speaker 5: Well where is his safety valve.
Speaker 6: It's in between Zach Martin and Terrence.
Speaker 2: And you know look where they ran the quarterback sneak
Speaker 2: the you know, the tush push. They tried to push
Speaker 2: it to the right and your center just you know,
Speaker 2: he got blasted in there, and that happens. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just like you know, you get turned. But you know,
Speaker 2: they had one of the best runs they had the game.
Speaker 5: What happened.
Speaker 2: They get everybody blocked and then ceedee lamb is just
Speaker 2: hands outside and he's you know and then he you know,
Speaker 2: kind of lets go. But but all the officials need
Speaker 2: to see is hands outside. So here they have a
Speaker 2: run where they do get everything walled inside to the
Speaker 2: corner around the corner nine yard game. Opp holding got
Speaker 2: to come back ten yards, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So even when they had some success with a running play,
Speaker 2: it was, you know, it was like, uh, Nope, can't
Speaker 2: do that, can't hold on the outside.
Speaker 9: Would you have them more in kind of like a
Speaker 9: off the line situation where they can get maybe a
Speaker 9: couple couple heads start a little.
Speaker 5: Bit, you know what I would worry about.
Speaker 2: Like it's a good point because sometimes you could get
Speaker 2: guys that will motion across and you've dealt with this
Speaker 2: because you play down in the box. You get a
Speaker 2: guy that motions and all of a sudden he has
Speaker 2: a running go. But then again you aggressively attack him
Speaker 2: at the line and then there's that collision. That's that's
Speaker 2: the problem that Pollard in these backs are dealing with
Speaker 2: right now, in my opinion, is they see when they
Speaker 2: get the ball, they see like white jersey flash and
Speaker 2: it's not the defenders, it's their own teammate, you know,
Speaker 2: being right there. So putting guys on the move, do
Speaker 2: they get compressed there or do they just get thrown off?
Speaker 2: You know, they're just not there's just not that bass
Speaker 2: from these guys.
Speaker 4: If you play them off the line of scrimmage, and Barry,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you probably read this the same way, but
Speaker 4: when you play them off the line of scrimmage, it's
Speaker 4: almost like putting them on an island to a certain extent, right, because.
Speaker 5: There's a little bit more space.
Speaker 4: Yes, you can't get that that forward motion and maybe
Speaker 4: an extra step into that collision. But it also leaves
Speaker 4: you alone a lot of times because you're not locked
Speaker 4: up with someone, or you.
Speaker 2: Play against Tank Lawrence when you try and crack him
Speaker 2: and he knows and he like sees the crack and
Speaker 2: he spends it and now you're you know, now you're
Speaker 2: getting grass stains on the front of your uniform because
Speaker 2: you dove right straight into the ground. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you get You get some smart guys like very like
Speaker 2: they the guys that play around in that line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: They know they're gonna get cracked. They're gonna try and
Speaker 2: get hooked. You know, there's gonna be things that they're
Speaker 2: gonna have. Some of these guys are really excellent to
Speaker 2: do it, like Kyle Uscheck and I know he's an
Speaker 2: all pro full back, but he has a feel for
Speaker 2: how to play on the move and then get into
Speaker 2: you and turn you because he's got a little bit,
Speaker 2: he's got the base and the power and he's done
Speaker 2: it enough. These guys, you know, time and task. We'll
Speaker 2: see with ferguson those guys. It's just not a very
Speaker 2: powerful group right now. That's that's an issue.
Speaker 4: I think, what did you want to see from from
Speaker 4: the tight ends when you were playing?
Speaker 6: What what did they do? What end cater did they
Speaker 6: give you that said, Okay, I'm gonna have some success
Speaker 6: on that snap.
Speaker 8: Well, to me when I was going against you know,
Speaker 8: tight ends that I.
Speaker 9: Can't run, I'm like, I'm gonna have an easy day today,
Speaker 9: stay on this low hip all thing. But when you
Speaker 9: when you go against guys and you just got to
Speaker 9: understand your personnel. When you're going out there and you're
Speaker 9: going against a guy that thrives being detached from the
Speaker 9: line of scrimmage, do you know, hey, I'm gonna have
Speaker 9: my work cut out for me as as far as
Speaker 9: coverage is concerned. Or are you going to go against
Speaker 9: a guy kind of like a Winting where he's crafty,
Speaker 9: he can get in there at that line of scrimmage
Speaker 9: and he might not be the most powerful guy, but somehow,
Speaker 9: some way he can use that vet savvy to hope
Speaker 9: you kind of like you.
Speaker 8: Check out there.
Speaker 9: So when you're going against guys like that, you just
Speaker 9: kind of have to know your personnel. But to me,
Speaker 9: it was always tougher, and because I wasn't the best
Speaker 9: cover guy, so it was always tougher going against detached
Speaker 9: tight ends out there because then my eyes are open
Speaker 9: to everything. Man, I gotta read the run. I gotta
Speaker 9: read this guy. He's going vertical. I know I can
Speaker 9: beat him physically, but when it comes to routes and
Speaker 9: diagnose and plays, it becomes a lot tougher.
Speaker 8: When you got a tight end out there.
Speaker 5: Was it like when you played like an against zach Ertz.
Speaker 5: You knew was going to always kind of be up
Speaker 5: the field, but.
Speaker 2: When you saw him along the line, you're like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to attack him, must because I'm going to grab
Speaker 2: him and throw him on the ground.
Speaker 5: Got him, but don't want to let him get a release.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all of a sudden he tries to nod
Speaker 2: me outside and I jump, and now he's inside and
Speaker 2: you're chasing.
Speaker 5: That's the nightmare right there.
Speaker 2: But you know that he's blocking in line like that,
Speaker 2: you just grab and throw him on the ground.
Speaker 8: Do you like these tight ends?
Speaker 7: Then in the passing game, you know what I bunning game?
Speaker 5: No, they got something.
Speaker 2: The problem, the problem I have is I'm one of
Speaker 2: these guys that believe that that Michigan did not play
Speaker 2: to the strengths of what Luke Schoonmaker. I think Luke
Speaker 2: Schoonmakers can be a good receiving tight end. I know
Speaker 2: he had the drop, you know when against the cover
Speaker 2: two there, you know he's got to make that play.
Speaker 2: But I just feel like, though that Ferguson can catch
Speaker 2: the ball. I think Hindershot can catch the ball too,
Speaker 2: I really really do. I just don't know though. Like
Speaker 2: I say, the biggest concern I have, and we've talked
Speaker 2: about it here for the last eight minutes, has been
Speaker 2: how these guys block. Yeh, that's that's my biggest concern,
Speaker 2: because I think these guys can make plays down the field.
Speaker 2: I love Jake Ferguson and the open field. How many
Speaker 2: times does he make guys miss?
Speaker 5: He really does?
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, Okay, it's third and seven, he
Speaker 2: gets nine, it's third and six he gets eight. You know,
Speaker 2: he's always making a guy miss and finishing to where
Speaker 2: you know he's getting the first down for you, and
Speaker 2: those types of things. So I think these guys can catch.
Speaker 2: I just worry about are there ways to play around
Speaker 2: the lack of some of the point of attack blocking
Speaker 2: that they're dealing with right now?
Speaker 5: Does it make you feel any better? Actually, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: take a I'm gonna take a break. We gotta take
Speaker 5: our second break. When we come back.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna finish that question.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna see.
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Speaker 4: Talking Cowboys, presented by a Black Rifle Coffee Company. We
Speaker 4: have Barry Church from the Player's Lounge, Kurt Daniels from
Speaker 4: Hanging with the Boys, Brian brought us from Cowboys Break On.
Speaker 4: Kyle Yeoman's your normal host on this program. We'll be
Speaker 4: back with the same crew by the way on Monday.
Speaker 4: So no shows tomorrow or Friday. Enjoy the bye week,
Speaker 4: take a deep breath, Maybe go golfing with Barry Church.
Speaker 6: I've been invited to everybody. That's what he told me.
Speaker 4: Bring your wallet, costume, cast you a little, might cost
Speaker 4: you a lot, but it's gonna cost you.
Speaker 5: But it's gonna cost you. He'll tell you, though, beforehand,
Speaker 5: that he's betting you. Now, definitely lets you know. He'll
Speaker 5: let you know. He's not gonna leave you hanging out.
Speaker 2: No, he's not gonna expect money from me as you
Speaker 2: walk off the eighteenth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man, all right, So we've got a couple
Speaker 4: of minutes left.
Speaker 5: I feel like Kurt's probably the best golfer at this table.
Speaker 5: He just doesn't talk about it.
Speaker 6: I don't play hm, he doesn't play around.
Speaker 5: That's how good he is. Guys, doesn't play around.
Speaker 8: What made you make that statement?
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, I just think.
Speaker 5: He's the best.
Speaker 4: He's quiet over there, he's looking at he looks, he
Speaker 4: looks at how big and husky I am.
Speaker 5: And I don't turn very well. And that's the problem there.
Speaker 4: Tyler Smith or Tyrone Smithyron Smith, very very.
Speaker 5: Stiff big Andy. Hall of Famer, Hall of Fame. That's fair.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about the tight ends just a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Because I talked with Jake Ferguson last week and I
Speaker 4: kind of went up to him and he kind of
Speaker 4: gave me a look, and I was like.
Speaker 5: What's the look? What's the look?
Speaker 4: He said, that's time to be more physical. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: time to and he said the words that I can't.
Speaker 5: Say on this show.
Speaker 4: But it's not just week before the game, before the game,
Speaker 4: time to mess stuff up is what he said. And
Speaker 4: I basically said, I was like, okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 4: He said, I don't want to get a pen, I
Speaker 4: don't want to get flagged, but I want to be
Speaker 4: the first one to get in there and lay down
Speaker 4: the hammer, lay down the physicality. There were a couple
Speaker 4: of times in the most recent matchup where he did
Speaker 4: show some physicality block on the edge.
Speaker 5: He's just limited. These guys are a little bit limited
Speaker 5: right now. Do you think they can hit that ceiling
Speaker 5: with a better mentality.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's mentality. I think you physically have
Speaker 2: to have the ability. I think they have the desire,
Speaker 2: the willingness. They're asking them to do some things. You know,
Speaker 2: that's what coaching is. You have to play to you
Speaker 2: the strengths of your players. There's going to be a
Speaker 2: time where in this season they're going to have to
Speaker 2: hide Gilmore. I think they are, and I keep mentioning
Speaker 2: I just mentioned him because he doesn't run as well.
Speaker 2: And what's happening is teams are going to figure out
Speaker 2: if they carry him across the field, he's going to
Speaker 2: struggle to chase. He's going to run like hell to
Speaker 2: try and get there, but he's just limited. So now
Speaker 2: you're going to have to think about, Okay, if teams
Speaker 2: are starting to run in breaking routes on him, where
Speaker 2: we're going to position the safety there.
Speaker 5: You know where we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: We're gonna drop linebackers, We're gonna gonna help him in
Speaker 2: coverage in case people start taking the routes.
Speaker 5: Same thing with the tight ends.
Speaker 2: You can't put these guys in positions where they can't
Speaker 2: they can't get it done. You know, like I said,
Speaker 2: they got into thirteen personnel a couple of times with
Speaker 2: McEwan ran the plays, they were negative plays. Those go
Speaker 2: off the call sheet. You know, I'm like, okay, we
Speaker 2: can't do this anymore. And that's what that's what this coach,
Speaker 2: this this you know coaching is really about. It's about
Speaker 2: knowing your personnel and figuring out ways to take advantage
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 9: Look, I mean, when you talk about it, at the
Speaker 9: end of the day, these tights, there's some good tight ends,
Speaker 9: all right, they're good tight ends, but I don't believe
Speaker 9: they're gonna be the difference for this offense moving forward,
Speaker 9: getting getting things done.
Speaker 5: It made me feel better, true, I just go by
Speaker 5: what I see.
Speaker 9: I mean, are they great complimentary police pieces short, They
Speaker 9: can go out there and get you some receptions here
Speaker 9: and there. But when it comes down to it, this
Speaker 9: offense I don't think needs to run through the tight
Speaker 9: ends by any stretch of the imaginations. Like I said,
Speaker 9: I think you can dump some things off to them.
Speaker 9: Maybe they can be your security blanket when everything else
Speaker 9: breaks down. But when it comes down to these tight ends,
Speaker 9: you know, I feel like they need to get better locking. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I think they they definitely need to do better at
Speaker 9: the point of attack, But when it comes to this offense,
Speaker 9: I would put them maybe third or fourth down the
Speaker 9: priority list. When we talk about getting guys involved in
Speaker 9: the offense and how we're going to be more productive
Speaker 9: going forward. I would love to see more production from
Speaker 9: these other wide receivers. Hopefully they can bring that to
Speaker 9: the table because we know teams are gonna start limiting
Speaker 9: CD Lamb.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just it's just how.
Speaker 5: We see triple teams.
Speaker 8: He's gonna see triple.
Speaker 9: Teams, and that just it's perplexing to me that teams
Speaker 9: like Minnesota, justin Jefferson, teams like Miami with Tyreek Hill
Speaker 9: defenses know they're going to take this guy away, but
Speaker 9: still they're able to go out there and produce.
Speaker 8: And have great numbers. Why can't we do that here
Speaker 8: in Dallas. That to me, it's just I don't understand it.
Speaker 5: Tell them, Kurt, you're getting Christmas card from the head ball.
Speaker 5: I just don't understand it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what they did. Scheme a pretty
Speaker 2: good play in the San Francisco game. Maybe the best
Speaker 2: player that they had was the touchdown to Turpin. I agree,
Speaker 2: that was definitely that was twins to motion for the
Speaker 2: for the trips and then to run him on the
Speaker 2: on the nickel safety there and and you know.
Speaker 5: Dack, their a beautiful ball.
Speaker 2: Great to just you know, that's what Kurt brought up,
Speaker 2: motions and stuff like that. That's kind of every week
Speaker 2: the motions have gotten less and less and less, and
Speaker 2: that's that's people. And Barry's you know, Barry's been a
Speaker 2: professional football player, so he knows this too. I mean,
Speaker 2: but you know, sometimes motion does affect you and sometimes
Speaker 2: it just doesn't. And McCarthy's excuse and during the game
Speaker 2: was he didn't feel like that it was doing anything
Speaker 2: to benefit his team. You know, motion wasn't doing anything
Speaker 2: to benefit him, and.
Speaker 5: So that's why.
Speaker 2: But there's some of the concerns that you know, Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers in Green Bay, they were very static team Rogers
Speaker 2: liked everything just set and then and you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: you when you're a play caller, you just you're so
Speaker 2: used to doing things a certain way that you just
Speaker 2: don't I remember talking Andy Reid about it. Andy used
Speaker 2: to give up play call into Eric the Enemy at
Speaker 2: times during a game because Andy would get in a rut.
Speaker 2: You know, He's like, when start having thoughts about, well,
Speaker 2: maybe my motion's not working well. Then Eric would start
Speaker 2: calling plays and then he would start moving everybody around
Speaker 2: and and he's like WHOA motion's gonna affect these guys
Speaker 2: a little bit today. So I think that you know,
Speaker 2: as a play caller, you know when you do see things.
Speaker 2: I'm not asking you to be the Dolphins, the Rams
Speaker 2: or the forty nine ers and these teams that have
Speaker 2: eighty percent motion. But when you when you look at it,
Speaker 2: if you don't believe it's not going to affect him,
Speaker 2: I think you're in a little bit of trouble because
Speaker 2: I do think any kind of movement burial will tell
Speaker 2: you any kind of movement that affects the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 2: Look what Arizona did. Look any you know, look with
Speaker 2: these teams that run with that orbit, you know where
Speaker 2: they bring guys across and circle them around. Look at
Speaker 2: the touchdown, the eighteen yard touchdown that Dak had in
Speaker 2: the game the other day. It was motioned across that
Speaker 2: derwin James Widen and then it allowed him to run
Speaker 2: right in the gap. It was motion that got him Widen.
Speaker 2: So if you're telling me that motion doesn't affect people.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Man, He's been coaching a long time this league. He's
Speaker 2: got a Super Bowl ring in Green Bay, So do I.
Speaker 5: You know that's how I look at it right now.
Speaker 7: Shanahan said, if you're not moving your quarterback, your offense
Speaker 7: is doomed.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's I'm not gonna sit.
Speaker 5: I wish that.
Speaker 2: Like there's some teams you study that you just like, Wow,
Speaker 2: that's pretty cool what they just fun Yeah, well that's
Speaker 2: we talk about San Francisco. Their ability to motion McCaffrey
Speaker 2: out and then it bumps the corner. It bumps the
Speaker 2: corner to another guy, and it puts a linebacker on McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: and then you're now going, uh, okay, they did, and
Speaker 2: you know they've the Cowboys have the capability of doing
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 5: We just don't see it nearly enough.
Speaker 4: Well, you see all the weapons and the underutilized weapons,
Speaker 4: because it's not like it's one of those too many
Speaker 4: mouths to feed sort of conversations where it's, oh, there's
Speaker 4: CD Lamb, but.
Speaker 6: There's also Brandon Cooks, but there's also Michael Gallop. Ceedee,
Speaker 6: Lamb is the only one being fed right now.
Speaker 8: I think that is it.
Speaker 4: That is all you've got from a weaponry standpoint. So
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Kurt. I think motion. I'm with you, Brian,
Speaker 4: I think motion.
Speaker 5: That helps.
Speaker 2: It's not the solve all be all in, but somethings.
Speaker 5: I mean, I, hey, there's some there's some creativity there.
Speaker 5: There's there's some.
Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't seem like it's every single down
Speaker 2: where you're just watching the tape and you're going, they
Speaker 2: got him on that one. They out schemed him on
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 6: Kurt one X factor on the Cowboys offense going into
Speaker 6: the back half of the season, an X factor, X factor.
Speaker 6: Who's got to step up and play better.
Speaker 7: I hope it's Cooks because they need that second receiver.
Speaker 7: And I'm not necessarily saying it's Cook's fault. I think
Speaker 7: going back again to a play calling situation, but they
Speaker 7: need a second receiver to step up. Hopefully that's Cooks.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to be Gallop. I wouldn't
Speaker 7: mind even seeing Tober giving a chance.
Speaker 5: What do you think, Brian Tyler? I think Tyler beyotdish
Speaker 5: and I thought he was banged up.
Speaker 2: He had the ankle injury and the problems that he
Speaker 2: was dealing with in training camp.
Speaker 5: I thought he was still kind of dealing with that.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm kind of.
Speaker 2: Hearing clean bill of health there, but there's been some
Speaker 2: really rough games for him the center. When your center
Speaker 2: is struggling, your offensive line will struggle. And I think
Speaker 2: he's the one guy that i'd kind of say if
Speaker 2: you could get him to play in at that once
Speaker 2: again that high level we saw it happened to him
Speaker 2: last year, second half of the year. Last year he
Speaker 2: was a much better player. But I need him to
Speaker 2: be better at center.
Speaker 8: Yeah. For me, I'm gonna go with Tony Pilott on
Speaker 8: this one.
Speaker 9: And maybe it's because he hasn't had as many touches
Speaker 9: these past couple of games, but I would love to
Speaker 9: see him get more involved in the offense, whether that's
Speaker 9: in the passing game, the running game, whatever the case
Speaker 9: may be. I love the call that Mike McCarthy had.
Speaker 9: I think I was in the second half when they
Speaker 9: ran him on a wheel route off the sidelines. I mean,
Speaker 9: that was a beautiful play call. And he has that
Speaker 9: ability to mismatch against linebackers, mismatch against safeties. We've seen
Speaker 9: it time and time again. So hopefully we get to
Speaker 9: see more than Tony Pylot going forward.
Speaker 6: I'll say Tyron Smith at the left tackles right because
Speaker 6: if he continues to struggle one.
Speaker 4: It may not be very much longer we'll see Tyron
Speaker 4: Smith in a Cowboys uniform.
Speaker 5: Not because of cut. I think Tyler Smith's ad better
Speaker 5: tackle myself. That's why. Because the future with a whisper,
Speaker 5: but kind of yelling at the same time, yelling at
Speaker 5: the same time.
Speaker 4: I think there's ways that Tyrone can be better in
Speaker 4: the second half.
Speaker 5: He's not done. He's got stuff left in the tank.
Speaker 6: He's just got to find he's got to find that technique.
Speaker 4: He's got to get comfortable back at that tackle spot
Speaker 4: and continue to do.
Speaker 9: You believe he's part of the best five that can
Speaker 9: going forward. You feel like he's one of the best five.
Speaker 6: When he plays at his best.
Speaker 8: But you factors in there, health, all that is.
Speaker 2: I think they need I think I think Steele needs
Speaker 2: to play better too. They're all of them. They all
Speaker 2: take a turn. But your great offensive lineman on the
Speaker 2: sixty five plays, they have three or four bad plays
Speaker 2: a game. You just can't have eight bad plays again, correct, That's.
Speaker 5: What That's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: You have two or three bad plays, that's fine, but
Speaker 2: you can't have like I said, you can't have six
Speaker 2: to eight bad plays.
Speaker 5: He's still part of the best five.
Speaker 4: He is, He's still if you're telling me, it's either
Speaker 4: Chu my Doga or Tyron Smith at left tackle.
Speaker 5: Doga surprised the hell out dog play well but.
Speaker 4: Taking Tyron Smith until the very bitter end at that
Speaker 4: left hack.
Speaker 8: Horse Twler at left and then the Doy'll go on
Speaker 8: the inside.
Speaker 5: Okay, we can make something.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 5: We can talk about it. It's very church. You can
Speaker 5: catch him on the golf course.
Speaker 4: Ye, everybody out there at the golf course. Eighteen holes
Speaker 4: coming up in just a little bit, yes, sir. On Monday,
Speaker 4: we will break down the defense. I also want to
Speaker 4: give a state of the rookie class. Are we spoiled
Speaker 4: as Cowboys fans to the point where rookies have made
Speaker 4: a massive impact in the past, This year not so much.
Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about that a little bit on Monday,
Speaker 4: nine am Central Time when we come back here on
Speaker 4: talking Cowboys.
Speaker 5: This was fun, gentlemen.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 4: One more shuffle show to go, and we'll be back
Speaker 4: next week to get it all done. Enjoy the bye week, everybody, everybody,
Speaker 4: stay safe, watch some football.
Speaker 5: Over the weekend, and of course we'll be right.
Speaker 4: Back at it after the weekend is over for Chris
Speaker 4: beaming the back, Barry Church, Kirt Daniels, Brian brought us.
Speaker 4: I'm Kyle Yoman, saying so long from the Star in Frisco.
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