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Speaker 1: Hello, it's Richard McLain Smith here, not the impostor you've

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Speaker 1: been listening to on the podcasts, the real one. Join

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Speaker 1: me for Unexplained TV at YouTube dot com forward Slash

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Speaker 1: Unexplained pod. In seventeen ninety two, in ching Dinnasty, China,

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Speaker 1: a philosopher, politician, and writer named che Lun wrote an

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Speaker 1: unusual book. Notes of the Thatched Abode of Close Observations

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Speaker 1: is a collection of over one hundred stories, thought to

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Speaker 1: be a series of satirical portraits of people and society

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Speaker 1: at the time. Cleverly concealed within intricate plot lines, ghost

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Speaker 1: tales co mingle with history and fantasy in a way

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Speaker 1: that makes it difficult to separate truth from figs. One

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Speaker 1: of the stories relates the events surrounding an eighty year

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Speaker 1: old man living in what today is the city of

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Speaker 1: Laijo in Shangdong Province. One day, the elderly man, who

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Speaker 1: He asks a family member to bring him something from

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Speaker 1: the house, but when they return, the old man and

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Speaker 1: the chair he was sitting on are gone. The family

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Speaker 1: look high and low for their elder without success. After

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Speaker 1: returns home to Liaijo from a trip to ching Dao,

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Speaker 1: another town located about one hundred miles away. On his arrival,

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Speaker 1: When the Sun, still desperate with worry, replies that he is,

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Speaker 1: his neighbor tells him with delight that his is safe

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Speaker 1: and well and staying in ching Taut. Though disbelieving it

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Speaker 1: at first, the Sun immediately dispatches some servants to ching

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Speaker 1: Dau to look for him. Sure enough, the old man

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Speaker 1: safely to his home. When the Sun asks him how

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Speaker 1: explains that he was quietly minding his own business when

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Speaker 1: suddenly two mysterious figures appeared out of nowhere. Without saying

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Speaker 1: and all the way to the town. It is, of course,

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Speaker 1: a fantastic fable with no possible foundation in truth. Or

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Speaker 1: is it you're listening to unexplained, and I'm Richard mc

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Speaker 1: lean smith. It was some time around ten PM when

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Speaker 1: twenty one year old farmer Huang yang Cho collapsed into

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Speaker 1: That night of July twenty seventh, nineteen seventy seven in

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Speaker 1: rural China at the time was gripped by extreme poverty

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Speaker 1: Huang was doing quite well for himself. He'd also recently

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Speaker 1: All around him, he heard the cocoffhon any of busy

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Speaker 1: its way to Huang's family and secure his release. By September,

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Speaker 1: Rumors spread that Huang had been possessed by evil spirits,

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Speaker 1: then admitted that they were responsible for all his strange disappearances,

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Speaker 1: and now they'd brought him to lan Cho in Gansu Province,

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