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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Today, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Dirk Durham, better known as the Bugler. He's been the

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Speaker 1: Phelps Game Calls marketing manager for three plus years. We've

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Speaker 1: been working with him for five plus years. He does

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Speaker 1: more than just marketing, though he's marketing, he's kind of

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Speaker 1: our community manager. Great Elk color, great Elk Hunter. Proud

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Speaker 1: to call him a buddy. But God Dirk here, except

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Speaker 1: for his roles are changing. Sad to see him go

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Speaker 1: as the Phelps marketing guy. But he's gonna be transitioning

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Speaker 1: into a content creator for the Meat Eater content team.

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Speaker 1: But it's still gonna have a very heavy focus on

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Speaker 1: Phelps Game Calls brand and making sure that that's you know,

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Speaker 1: we've got good quality content. And another exciting announcement is

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Speaker 1: part of this new position is you're gonna be the

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Speaker 1: co host of Cutting the Distance. So the way it's

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Speaker 1: gonna work, I'll have an episode every other week, Dirk

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Speaker 1: will have episode in between those, and so I we're

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Speaker 1: excited to be bringing twice as many Cutting Distance episodes

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Speaker 1: to all of you. So with that said, I'm now

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Speaker 1: going to take the guest seat and Derek is gonna

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Speaker 1: host cutting the distance here.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, there, I got some big shoes to fill.

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Speaker 1: Well, well only only literally because the size fourteen.

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Speaker 2: That's what I meant, your size fourteen. I'm eleven and

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Speaker 2: a half wide. Yeah, wide shoes. How many people do

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Speaker 2: you know that has to wear a wide?

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Speaker 1: Shoot? Not me. I got fourteen's but they're normal.

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Speaker 2: Well well I'm one of them, so I just found out.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, man, I'm happy to be here, super excited,

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Speaker 2: uh taking on this new role. If I didn't have

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Speaker 2: a dream job before, I feel like this is even

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Speaker 2: more of a dream job. So I don't know all

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Speaker 2: the details yet. This is kind of a rapidly moving

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Speaker 2: transition change. But everything that that's kind of been set

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Speaker 2: forth seems to be pretty pretty awesome. Seah, it should

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Speaker 2: be pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little jealous of your your duties, your position,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, don't, don't get me wrong. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of work there, a lot of I mean editing

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Speaker 1: is sometimes painstaking, and you know, planning all of our

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Speaker 1: content and travel to the shoots and whatnot. But it

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Speaker 1: seems to be pretty dang cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if I have to edit like a mule

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Speaker 2: deer film, Right, if it was an Elk film, it'd

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Speaker 2: be exciting, but Mule Deer is like watching pain trying

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Speaker 1: Put him asleep. Is it should be good. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: because I know my strengths and weaknesses on a podcast

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Speaker 1: like very. I mean, anybody listens to Cutting the Distance tactical, technical,

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Speaker 1: and Dirk brings a different level of excitement, So I

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Speaker 1: think it'll be a great compare contrast. We'll have similar ideas,

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Speaker 1: but then you're gonna get you know, more entertainment from

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Speaker 1: Dirk and more technical for me probably. So I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see the podcast evolve into a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a you know, Jacqueline Hyde or whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: and it'll be a good mix up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have a lot of on my own podcast,

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Speaker 2: but really I would. My goal is I really want

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Speaker 2: to continue to like touch base with you and do

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Speaker 2: some collab podcast too, because number one, I like to

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Speaker 2: give you a hard time in front of everybody. Thanks,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, take you out of your comfort zone

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Speaker 2: a little bit, make funn of you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: what I do best. But those are the things that

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Speaker 2: that's the reason why I'm over here, you know, to

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Speaker 2: cut this podcast with you. And then also spoiler alert,

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Speaker 2: we may or may not be working on some new

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Speaker 2: cool stuff for a Bugle Tube. But you know film

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Speaker 2: and Jason, you know, he dressed up like a nerd

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Speaker 2: tried to, you know, explain, explain what is airflow and

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I just kind of glossed over

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Speaker 2: But I tried not to laugh because you're the nerd

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Speaker 1: Yeah, That's why I love when Dirk has a great idea.

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Speaker 1: Is it involves me dressing up into something that uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: But no, I think it's it's good. We'll more more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll talk about it. Hey, And as always, if

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Speaker 2: I want to do something really cool where I have

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Speaker 2: listeners call in. We're gonna get a phone number set

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Speaker 2: I won't probably pick up the phone, you know, especially

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Speaker 2: if you call it two in the morning, Hello, but

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Speaker 2: by all means, please please send an email. Because I

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Speaker 2: feel like there's lots of questions out there that sometimes,

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Speaker 2: just like, hey, I just hey, you got any you

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Speaker 1: you still have questions on and it's always great for me,

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Speaker 1: Like I love any question at any level because it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so weird. Sometimes folks will ask me

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Speaker 2: you know, it seems like that's part of the fun

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Speaker 1: So your beautiful state of Idaho decided to keep me

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Speaker 2: Phelps get attacked, right, hope we got too many non residents.

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Speaker 1: I did hunt at Washington ELK, but I haven't hunted

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Speaker 1: Again, or or you remember how much you love the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to your point back to having that one

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so by being in one place, you can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you know, let's say the bulls are

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Speaker 1: I've never twenty nineteen Idaho hot as heck. Everything was

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well like last year in New Mexico, for instance,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when we showed up and we actually even

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Speaker 1: For September, we were watching, you know, the same bowls

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Speaker 1: just as much as we always preached the hammer at them,

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Speaker 2: And it was it was still like with those bulls

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Speaker 2: close and get danger close, like I thought, Okay, if

429
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 2: I take one more step, this bowl is going to

430
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 2: see us or detect us. So that's how close we

431
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 2: want to get. So I stopped and I let out

432
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 2: the most quiet little calf call you've ever heard, and

433
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 2: the bowl answers, and I'm like, and I can see movement,

434
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 2: and we're like sixty eighty yards from this bowl. I

435
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: can see antlers through the trees. He's laying there, and

436
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 2: I gave a few more and he stands up, and

437
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 2: then over the next five ten minutes, he just kind

438
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 2: of slowly feeds over to us, and they'd give this

439
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 2: real weird moany move out bugle every little better. It

440
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: was a well you'll be able to watch the video.

441
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 2: The video is gonna drop here pretty soon. But anyway,

442
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: came over, came in close enough I was able to

443
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: shoot him, you know. And I don't want to give

444
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,239
Speaker 2: too much away, but anyway, it was an interesting It

445
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: was a definitely an interesting hunt from what Phelps had described.

446
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: And then the biggest, the biggest, the biggest grind I

447
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: actually have with New Mexico and Jason Phelps is that's

448
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: dirty sucker didn't tell me about chiggers. Like like, on

449
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: day two, I woke up and I've got this weird

450
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: rash all over the inside of my elbow? Is that

451
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 2: like the ween No, the weennus is the actually the

452
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: loose skin on your elbow. This is like the the

453
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: elbow inside your your elbow pit. I was like, oh

454
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,959
Speaker 2: my god, a spider must have just ate me up

455
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: last night. So I'm like checking my sleeping bag for spiders.

456
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm checking the dent for spiders, and I'm like, Dusty,

457
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: look at these spider bites, and and that the next morning,

458
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: the third day, i wake up and I've got him

459
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 2: on both side and then up on my chest. I'm like,

460
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: what is going on? And then we get this elk killed.

461
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: And then we're driving home and as we drive, they're

462
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: getting worse, like we hadn't showered, of course, and I'm like,

463
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: it looks like somebody shot me with bird shot. I've

464
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: got him so bad. I'm like, oh my god. And

465
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: they itch so bad. And it was a different kind

466
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: of itch that I'd ever experienced. It was like it

467
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: was like a mosquito bite times one hundred, and you

468
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: couldn't quit itching, and every time you'd itch, it was

469
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: so satisfying the way it felt, but then it made

470
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: it itch more. Yeah, it was horrible, and I was

471
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: like Phelps and I sent him a picture. I'm like,

472
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: what's something something got me? And he's like, oh, yeah,

473
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: those are chiggers. I'm like what to.

474
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: The best of my knowledge, because the year before me

475
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: and Steve both got lit up and then I forgot

476
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: to tell you just ten days prior to you being there.

477
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: Cow got it worse than anybody I'd ever seen, Like

478
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: along your belt line, your armpits, neckline, like they anywhere

479
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: they could just get in and there they hurt. It's

480
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: it's weird, like centerpoint feels like there's some sort of

481
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: stinger or something. You still so when you itch him

482
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: it actually hurts a little bit. Yeah, they're they're nasty

483
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: to the best. If you know what they are, let

484
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: us know about it. So the best of what we

485
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: could check is they were like some sort of tigger

486
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: on steroids.

487
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Well, when we got home, Dusty took a piece of tape.

488
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: He started reading about it and he's like, okay, he

489
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: thinks they could be tiggers. And so he got a

490
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: piece of like duct tape and put on one of

491
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: the bites and then peeled it off. And then he's

492
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: got a he's got a microscope, right, you guys are

493
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: probably hit it off real good. You just get a

494
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: nerd out about you know, nerd stuff. It's science, yeah,

495
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 2: basically science. You could probably explain it, but we wouldn't

496
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: understand it. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it.

497
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: But so he looks at it through a microscope and

498
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: then takes a picture and sends it to me, and literally,

499
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: it's a it's a tigger. It's like just like the

500
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: picture online. And they're nasty, like they burrow in. They

501
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: don't they lay eggs or something.

502
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: That little thing grows and you have basically fists on

503
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 1: you until it's ready to get gone. Yeah, and then

504
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: they weep out. It's disgusting.

505
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was horrible. I like literally I

506
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: and I was a dusty didn't get it as bad

507
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: as I did. I think my my body makeup, you know,

508
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: fat guy. They I got a lot of a lot

509
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: of good stuff coming through my pores evidently, you know,

510
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: if Krispy Kreme don't at Greece, I don't know what else.

511
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: But they loved me and to literally two months later,

512
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: I was still scratching them things like a crackhead. I mean,

513
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: it was, it was bad.

514
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did want to rewind just a little bit

515
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: since we did have that first experience, you know, me

516
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: not being able to make hardly any calls, you not

517
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: necessarily being able to make aggressive beagles. But like when

518
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: me and Steve were there, we were actually there before

519
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: you in this maybe just to lay out that you

520
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: can expect different things on different years in the same spots.

521
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: We were there five six days ahead of you, and

522
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: it was really good because I had pre scout prior

523
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: to Steve and the team getting there. We could not

524
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: not make the right call. I could get tight Bugle,

525
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: I could get tight calcol and we had bulls just

526
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: like running the ret Fest, you know, five hundred. It's

527
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: like it's like they were on a poker run. They

528
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: needed to come check out this bowl. They need to

529
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: go check out that bowl. And every bowl was like

530
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: making this crazy loop and it was like nothing I

531
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: had ever seen before. So yeah, it's just weird from

532
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, three three different trips of the same unit

533
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: anywhere from about fifteen sixteen days apart, and the elk

534
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: acted completely different at different times.

535
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, honestly, if you if you hunt

536
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: elk for very long, you kind of you notice that,

537
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: like it's not every year. You know, every year's not

538
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: a ten. There's a lot of fives out there, you know,

539
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: and every day is not a ten. Definitely within you

540
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: you're alloted time, you know, whether you're a weekend warrior

541
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: in it, which you know I used to do that

542
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: a lot back in the day, or you know, if

543
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: it's five ten days whatever, you got to hunt in

544
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 2: year to year. Just there's some years just line up

545
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: good and they hit and some some they don't. And

546
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 2: I think that's year to year. The ruts ruts more

547
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: intense or less intense in certain areas. I mean, you

548
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: look at New Mexico when we hunted before in another area.

549
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: You know, we hunted there two years in a row,

550
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: and it was it was a little lackluster until that

551
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: one day and it was like the flip of a

552
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: switch man and big nasty bugles. If I if I

553
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: blew a big nasty bugle, man, it really got the

554
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 2: bulls going. You know, they didn't care about cow calls.

555
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: Whereas you know the next year when we went there

556
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: with lampers, then, man, I don't know that I ever got.

557
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: I had one day that was maybe half as good

558
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: as the previous year, but we still didn't go with

559
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: those big rut fests that that we loved. But in

560
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: the area had hardly any cows. So if there's hardly

561
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: any cows in my mind, and there are quite a

562
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: bit of bulls, like the bull crowd ratio is pretty

563
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: tight in my mind, like blow a cow call and

564
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: them things are gonna beat your door down. But they

565
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: didn't really care about cow calls much either. There. It's

566
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: just I don't know. I think there's a lot that

567
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: go along with the timing and all. You know, we

568
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: don't know what happened the first season. We weren't there

569
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: the first season. Maybe they were running around like crazy,

570
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: you know, coming to bugles and cow calls.

571
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: And they're I mean, you hunted that flat country quite

572
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: a bit. I just feel like that other area that

573
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: we hunted first was they were just more nomadic, right,

574
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: There was no pattern to them. Those elk may have

575
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: came from three miles away and joined up, or it

576
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: just seemed like lots of movement. It wasn't so much

577
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: like local elk. And yeah, it was like one day

578
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: on fire, one day nothing. It was just they were

579
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: It's just weird, right, versus a normal mountain unit. It's like, well,

580
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: they're going to bed in this patch of timber, they're

581
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: going to feed this, and like you get that same action.

582
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, New Mexico is interesting, you know, not where

583
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: we grew up hunting elk, and so I still feel

584
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to figure it out or apply what

585
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: I think I know. And and that that spot where

586
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: you know we hunted first. Yeah, it was just like

587
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: a light switch, I my gut tells me because there

588
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: were bulls we'd never seen before all of a sudden

589
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: just show up. And then some there were some guys

590
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: hunting the same unit that ended up killing the bowl

591
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: later that we had seen four miles three miles away.

592
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: They had crossed two roads and crossed the Big Ridge

593
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: line and they ended up killing. So these elk are

594
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: just and he had heard of what seventy eight cows

595
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: and that bowl traveled a long long way. So it's like, man,

596
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can like necessarily figure out

597
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: these things or if you're trying to hunt a specific boy,

598
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: better stay with them every day and you know, and

599
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: try to figure them out, because they were just moving

600
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: so much.

601
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they would never like bed in the

602
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: same place, and they wouldn't bed long too, like you know,

603
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: typically like in the Northwest, you know, you bed down

604
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: some milco. It's like, okay, they went to bed right

605
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: over there. They're gonna stay there for most of the day,

606
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 2: right until it gets the shadows get long in the

607
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: evening and things cool off and the thermals change, and

608
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, it's time to get up and eat.

609
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: Typically you're like, okay, I'm going to close the gap

610
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: and get over there, sit on them a while, and

611
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: start calling once, you know, about the middle of the day,

612
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: about twelve one o'clock. But New Mexico, I don't know

613
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: how many times I did that. It was like Houdini.

614
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: You'd get over there, get super close, and then it's like, okay,

615
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: they ought to be settled, let's start calling nothing. And

616
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: then you like slowly creep in those elk are gone.

617
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Yep.

618
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: They would lay there for like an hour or something

619
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: and they'd get up and leave. But in my mind,

620
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: it's because there's so damn much rocks and pokey stuff,

621
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean, and then there's not not a lot of

622
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: good shade, you know, there's not a lot of tall trees.

623
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: It was that kind of that low shade. The sun

624
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: would move and they probably get hot and maybe they're

625
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: laying on a rock in the wrong spot, so I guess,

626
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: or maybe they just like they don't want to stay

627
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: in one spot and let another bowl come along and

628
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: mess it up for him. But yeah, So anyway, back

629
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: to the podcast, I'll be hosting a lot of these

630
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: on my own type podcasts. Love to have Jason from

631
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: time to time. I'm gonna start a series here leading

632
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: up to September. We're gonna talk about preparations of what

633
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: you can do to prep prepare for September. You know,

634
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: all the things that go through my mind. Whether we're

635
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: talking about fitness, you know, since I'm a fitness model,

636
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: that's not not at all that but uh, we're going

637
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: to talk about fitness, We're going to talk about gear,

638
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about getting prepared, scout e scouting,

639
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about and then once September hits,

640
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about you know, all the all

641
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: the tactics and and things to to use and to

642
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: do once you get to your spot, you know, and

643
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: maybe you're hunting out of state, maybe you're maybe you're

644
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: hunting your local area. But we're going to talk about

645
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: all the stuff that it's going to take to put

646
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: together an elk hunt for this fall and hopefully get

647
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: you better prepared. I know, I know every year, you know,

648
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: I've been doing this elk hunting with archery l hunting

649
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: for thirty four years and I'm like, Okay, I got

650
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: this figured out, and then the next year, I just

651
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: totally get schooled again, right. So that and that's the

652
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: great part about elkhunting. It's fun. It feels like it's

653
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: it's a craft that you can never master, and I

654
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: feel like that's what the fun part is.

655
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's why I love archaill hunting

656
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: so much, is that I'm one of those guys that's

657
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: just wired. If I'm going to do something, I want

658
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: to be the best at it, or feel like I'm

659
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: the best at or have full control and so by

660
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: never truly mastering any of it and and feeling like

661
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to hone that or get to that

662
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: accomplishment or that goal of like having this dialed. But

663
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: I think the reality is it's just there's so many,

664
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: so many variables, and there the elk or were so

665
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: unpredictable that I think that the fun thing is that

666
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm never going to have it figured out completely. You're

667
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty good idea and you're going to

668
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: do some things that work a lot of the time.

669
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: But every year is a new learning experience. I go

670
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: in with an open mind, try to figure out what's working,

671
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: and you know, just add it to my my experience.

672
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, all my experiences go into a bag, and

673
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: then you try to pull those out and hopefully it,

674
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, works. There's times where you know things can

675
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: work perfectly ten times in a row, you think you

676
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: got a slam dunk set up, and then you go

677
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: to run at the next time and it fails right

678
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: off the bat. You just never know. And that's what

679
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: I love about it.

680
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you know, I feel like a lot

681
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: of people think, oh, man, you if I had that tag,

682
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: I'd probably just kill this or that. And no matter

683
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: what how good a tag is from what I've found,

684
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: whether it's been on my own experience, I've had a

685
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: couple of decent tags. I've been along with other people

686
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: that have some really good tags. You still have to

687
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: show up and you still have to work hard. Every day.

688
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: Just because you've got a really good tag doesn't mean

689
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: there's three fifty bowls under every bush. I mean you

690
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: still got to get up and do it and try hard.

691
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: And and sometimes some of the better tags I've had,

692
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: I've had to try as hard, if not harder than

693
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: just good old over the counter units that I've had,

694
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, luck in before. So that's some some something

695
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: that you know, you always had to kind of keep

696
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: in mind in this fall. So I've got a tag

697
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: for Montana, and I've got to well, I have a

698
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: tag for Idaho. Sure whether it's over the counter, but

699
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm in for a draw for a good unit. So

700
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, I'm probably more likely to get struck by

701
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: like draw this tag. But but who knows, somebody's got

702
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: to draw. There's always so But Montana, I mean Montana,

703
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's a it's a great place to hunt elk.

704
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: It's a mecca. There's there's a lot of elk, there's

705
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: some big bulls, there's some It kind of checks every

706
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: box whether you want to hunt flat country or back

707
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: country or mountains or whatever. But there's definitely a learning

708
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: curve and and I haven't cracked the coat on Montana

709
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: yet so again, like I got to dig in on

710
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: my et scouting and I'm gonna make a trip here

711
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: in a few weeks over and just kind of learned that,

712
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: like an go to an area that I kind of

713
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: really want to check out and just go get boots

714
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: on the ground and check it out and see in

715
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: the past, I've I've just got my butt kicked in Montana.

716
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of looking forward to this year like

717
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: maybe I'll build it, Like I'll figure it out. Right, Oh,

718
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: I got these Montana figured out, and then if I

719
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: get a tag again, it'll probably be a completely different game.

720
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: I know where we left some really big bulls last

721
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: time me and you were in Montana. Yeah, I want

722
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: to get back there. I just haven't had an ELK

723
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: tag in my pocket for Montana lately. But I I

724
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: I just find myself if I get bored at work

725
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: or if I just need to check out from the

726
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: mind numbing designs and stuff that I'm doing, I find

727
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: myself like floating back to that area because I one

728
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: of the biggest bulls I've ever seen on the hoof

729
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: I think was on that trip, and I think that

730
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: area can be good if you figure it out.

731
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what I've been doing, if so I could

732
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: go hunt that area again. I've been working on my

733
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: track and field skills. I've been running hurdles, limbo and hurdles. Yeah,

734
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: I've never been to such a place with so many

735
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: blowdowns in my entire life.

736
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: All right, you could, you could. We've spent ten minutes

737
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: at a time, never putting foot like on dirt. You're

738
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: on a tree, over a tree, walking this tree to

739
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: get to the next tree, because if you were to

740
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: put your foot on dirt, going to take it ten

741
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: times longer. It's just an incredible blowdown patch.

742
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: I'd like to say that was a fun hunt, but

743
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: I can't really say that. I mean, it was a

744
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: tough hunt. The camaraderie was awesome hunted with you and

745
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: Yannis and the camera guys were great. I mean, we

746
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: had a lot of laughs in a good time. But dude,

747
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: it was brutal. Like we'd hear bulls bugling across these

748
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: canyons and they weren't deep, nasty canyons. They're like, oh,

749
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: we'll be over there in fifteen twenty minutes. Now like

750
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: two hours, three hours later, we finally get over there,

751
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: will the elk are gone or done bugling for the day.

752
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: It was. It was so challenging.

753
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: I like, I mean, I'm gonna tell on you a

754
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: little bit. I think there was a point and I'd

755
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: like to say we would have killed this bowl if

756
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Dirk had to go do some paperwork and the mountains

757
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: and for god his release. He didn't realize, kid, for God,

758
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: his release until we had I mean, in the size

759
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: of the bull doesn't matter, but in this case, just

760
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: to throw more at Dirk, like a very very healthy bowl,

761
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: mature bowl we'd been watching all day, was coming down

762
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: the pipeline or down a meadow bottom at him. And

763
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: at that time, when what was the one hundred and

764
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: fifty yards away, when Dirk realized that his release should

765
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: probably like make contact with his string, he realized he

766
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: didn't have a release on his wrist, and we had

767
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: the time when we called time. The elk didn't risk.

768
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: They didn't respect our time out that we had called no.

769
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: And then they then he moved to a position of

770
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, he had the advantage over us. But just

771
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, here's a pro tip. If you didn't go

772
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: do some paperwork, don't take your your lease off and

773
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: set it on the log, you know, put it in

774
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: your pocket or in your pack. At least that way

775
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: you can like dig in your pocket and get it. Man,

776
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: that how frustrating it was.

777
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: You chuckle now, But in the moment you're like, oh, man,

778
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: like that dir's a.

779
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: Really hideous No.

780
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: No, no, I wouldn't say that, but you're like, oh,

781
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: I think because that bowl was big, it had been

782
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: your best bowl ever. Probably, I think it was hard

783
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: and just like to have just the the stint of

784
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: bad luck that your release wasn't with you. And yeah, and.

785
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: It's really hard to time out those that paperwork time.

786
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: I mean, especially when you're eating weird food. You know,

787
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: you're eating you know, dehydrated meals and and uh high

788
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: fiber stuff, and.

789
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: You always Yeah, I look back to that one, I'm like, man,

790
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: we did everything right. That was one of those days

791
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: where you just sit all day waiting for the wind

792
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: to switch and and for those elk to get out

793
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: of their beds and wake up, and it's like everything

794
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: was right, but it was. It was still good. But

795
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: now I one of these days I look forward to

796
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: come back to Montana. I've got five or six points

797
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: there looking to draw a tag the next time we

798
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: draw a big game combo. But yeah, I'm excited to

799
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: see how you do there in Montana and then Idaho.

800
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: You going back to your stomping grounds or.

801
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, I'm I'm torn. You know that

802
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: my old stomping grounds, that the elk density is so

803
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: low that you can spend a lot of days Like

804
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: last year, I spent a bunch of days with hardly

805
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 2: any bugling, any calling, and it's such stick country. It's like, well,

806
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: people are like, well, why don't you just you know,

807
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: glass them up and spot and stuck. Well, there's very

808
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: few areas you could actually spot an elk in the open,

809
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: and you could probably spend two weeks looking at that

810
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: opening and maybe never see a bird, let alone an

811
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: elk just lower densities and then so the elk have

812
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: to bugle if you really want to play the game

813
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: with them. So it was pretty tough. But every now

814
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: and then you'll turn up a giant, which I did

815
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: on the last day. I had to I had to

816
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: leave early. My wife got a pendicitis and I had

817
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: to had to head home. But I'm like, okay, we

818
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: can hunt till twelve o'clock and then we got to

819
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: go and turn up at just a monster and then

820
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: you know, didn't come together for me. But but that

821
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: I guess that's kind of the thing that kind of

822
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: keeps you going back. You kind of fall in love

823
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: with the country a little bit, the whole experience, and

824
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: then you know, every now and then, you know, you

825
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: turn up a pretty nice bowl and sometimes you can

826
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: capitalize it on it or not. But I'm not. I

827
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: don't know if I'll go back to that spot this year.

828
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm thinking maybe trying something a little more local to

829
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: where I live, less less hours of drive time instead

830
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: of driving, you know, spending all my time driving. Maybe

831
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: I can check out some area is they're a little

832
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: closer to me to where I can have less drive

833
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: time and maybe spend more time actually boots on the

834
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: ground scouting.

835
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that spot you're looking at it's

836
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: pretty good. I just have a hunch.

837
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if you wouldn't have been a dummy and

838
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: didn't get an ELK tag, you know, do I need

839
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: to call the governor and say, hey, get my buddy

840
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: Jason an ELK tag. You know what he likes to hunt? ELK?

841
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have continued to I've been going

842
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: back and looking at the leftovers just to see, and

843
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: I think you still have control over me. There. You

844
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: get like, hey, if this Jason Phelps guy logs in

845
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: signed in, like there are no leftover tags or no turnbacks.

846
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: The Idaho Fishing Game is shadow banning you.

847
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you you. I think they're You're gonna have to

848
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: call him back and tell him to take that off

849
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: of my account.

850
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: Okay, well there is a chance.

851
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: So, I mean, because as much as I want to

852
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: really focus on one hunt, we could do a little

853
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: early early September run over there and we've had some

854
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: great success in that area early September.

855
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially if I can get in there this

856
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: summer and put some boots on the ground and see,

857
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: you know, if the elk still where you left them,

858
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: you know last time you guys hunted there be like, yeah,

859
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: there's still a bunch of elk in here or is

860
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: it just wolf scat You never know?

861
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you never know.

862
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: But well that's fun, madam. I'm glad. I'm glad to

863
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: join the team here on the Cutting the Distance podcast

864
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 2: and the media group. Like I say, you know, I'm

865
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: not sure where it's all going to head. And look

866
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: like you know, on my day to day it's we're

867
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: still figuring that stuff out, but but I know it's

868
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: gonna be a good time. And And if you guys

869
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 2: want to watch that Elk film that we talked about

870
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: last twenty twenty two, new Mexico Elk film of mine,

871
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: that'll be playing on the Phelps channel here pretty soon.

872
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: So keep an eye out, check us out on social media, Instagram,

873
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: Phelps game calls, and you'll when we'll keep your breast

874
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: on what's going on in our film launches. So and

875
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: then you've got some films coming out too.

876
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got mile Counts from last year coming out

877
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: on the Meat Eater YouTube channel. My My Quality Washington

878
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Bowl I think is going to come out late August

879
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: early September on the Loophole channel, And uh, I think

880
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: that's is that it? That's all I got those two?

881
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe yeah.

882
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

883
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: One other thing. One one thing we forgot about some

884
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: tags we we didn't talk about our deer. I mean,

885
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: we got so wrapped up in the most supreme species

886
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: of animal on planet Earth. We forgot about about the

887
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: second second best mule deer and white tail third best

888
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: third best white Now that's pretty debatable. That's that's a

889
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: fist fight amongst deer, dear loving people.

890
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I know.

891
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: You all know white tails are smarter than mule there.

892
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, adaptable. I wouldn't say smarter, I'd say more adaptable. No, Yeah,

893
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: we got we got a couple of good deer tags

894
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: in our pockets too, for you know, November tag. So

895
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: we'll get to chase some can of meal is around

896
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: and then some Kansas whitetail around.

897
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, I'm love that. I love the Montana Muley.

898
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: It's like usually you get over there and it's like

899
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: a blizzard. It's cold and it's nasty, and sometimes you

900
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: can't even see because your eyes are watering from all

901
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: the wind and ice chunks blown into your eyeballs. But man,

902
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: mule deer are so fun to hunt over there. And

903
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: then last year we did that with that whitetail hunt

904
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: with our good buddy Randy Milligan. And he's got a

905
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: beautiful piece of property.

906
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's the setup.

907
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he asked us to come over and hunt,

908
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: and it's like, I mean, how lucky are we?

909
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: How do how do all the locals say, he's got

910
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: the hole.

911
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: He's got the hole.

912
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: So everything that's a good deer spots the hole. But

913
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: you talk to anybody that maybe that you know that

914
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: we're just we're brushing by, or you tell them you're

915
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: hunting Randy's or you're hunting with Randy, and that's all

916
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: you get. Yeah, he's got the hole.

917
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh yeah, he's got a hole.

918
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm taking that's a good thing.

919
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good he's got a good buck hole. Yeah,

920
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: deer hole. And then it was it was an It's

921
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: super different than what we're used to. You know, I've

922
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: hunted white tails for years in North Idaho. It's a

923
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: different game, you know. I'd never set in a tree stand,

924
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: you know, and it's more of a ground game. But

925
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: we set in tree stands and ground blinds. And I'm

926
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna be honest with you. I was scared

927
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: to death in the tree stand.

928
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 1: Oh. I was gonna ask you or have we been doing?

929
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: Like have you been training? Because it sounds like Randy's

930
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: gonna have us race up a tree, hook in and

931
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: then race back. Randy couldn't get over, you couldn't put

932
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: two guys in a more awkward position. I don't think

933
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: to start with, is hey, get up this tree and

934
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: clip yourself in. I'm like, Randy, couldn't we have did

935
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: this in the daylight to start with? Like it's pitch black.

936
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: I've never been up a tree in my life, and

937
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: here I am, like with a lifeline and trying to

938
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: get my thing all hooked in, and we should have

939
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: probably did this in the day daylight.

940
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: It's like trust falls, really, I mean, it's like because

941
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: you weren't trusting that he put that those tree ladder

942
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: steps strapped on tight and good with good good straps,

943
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: aren't going to break?

944
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you used to get climbing up like

945
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: this one's real faded? Is it still good?

946
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? They don't care it creaked a little bit, yeah yeah.

947
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: And then then then you try to get in the

948
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: stand and I look like he laughed. He started laughing

949
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: when I was getting the stand trying to get in

950
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: the stand because he didn't put his ladder to where

951
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: you could like climb up a little above the.

952
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: Stand and then just kind of s your stands. The

953
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: next step, the last step was.

954
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 2: Like where I needed to be standing on to step

955
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: into the so I had to kind of hump the

956
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: tree to get my feet on that that last step,

957
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: and then he's like, just swing your leg over, just

958
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: you're student wrong, just swing your leg over him, like

959
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: I can't. So then I heard I'm like, I'm like,

960
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: I swung the leg over and I'm trying to crawl

961
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: in and he was dying laughing. I wish somebody had

962
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: have been there to film it, because but then once

963
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: I got in this down, it's like, okay, I'm and

964
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: we got we got our harnesses on. We're safe. You know,

965
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: nothing would have happened if we had have fell out.

966
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: But then I get sitting there and I'm like, I

967
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: don't think I can draw my bow without being freaked out.

968
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, build up some some confidence there.

969
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: Stand up. I'm like trying to draw my bus, like,

970
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: oh my god, I feel like I'm just gonna follow

971
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: the tree, stamp backwards, Okay, lean forward and shift weight

972
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 2: a little bit. Okay, well, oh my god, I'm gonna

973
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: fall out frontwards now I was. It was not good.

974
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I hope a big buck don't.

975
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: Come by this. I'm I'm not ready. I'm not ready yet.

976
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: I like the ground blind. It was a way better.

977
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: You just have to shoot through these little tiny narrow slats.

978
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch your stabilizer, watch your arrow, watch.

979
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: Watch you with your wheel, your limb.

980
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean it'll be fun. I'm looking forward to that one.

981
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: We were hoping that Steve was gonna go with us,

982
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: but fortunate and he didn't draw, So it just be

983
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: more dear for us, that's way.

984
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll scout it out for him, because

985
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, Steve would get the best stands and we'd

986
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: get second rate stands.

987
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: This will work out better.

988
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: Right right, Well this way too, we can like scout

989
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: out the places they have the smaller bucks and we

990
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: can turn him onto those. Yeah, this is the this

991
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: is the hole over here.

992
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: You don't want to be there. We should have a

993
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: great fall looking forward it. Yeah, stoke to have you.

994
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: You've you've co hosted a few times for me, usually

995
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: when I'm like running to the mountains and I'm I

996
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: don't have an episode that's ready for this. We hate dirt,

997
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: so you've covered for me before. But this is going

998
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: to be a permanent, full time gig. So we're excited

999
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: to have you here. On cutting the distance, I think

1000
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: you'll bring a you know, exciting, new entertaining fuel to

1001
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: the show where yeah, excited for our guest to be

1002
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: able to get that.

1003
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and guys, like I said, guys and gals,

1004
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: please do send in those questions that way, we got

1005
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: plenty of material. You know, sometimes you kind of get

1006
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: embedded into this stuff and it's like, man, what don't we

1007
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: even talk about? Because you take for granted, like you say,

1008
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: you know of all the things, but there's a world

1009
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: of questions and a world of topics we can cover,

1010
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: whether it's elk hunting, deer hunting, crappie fishing. No, just kidding,

1011
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: I like to eat croppy. You're delicious. Yeah, I wish

1012
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: we had crappy where I love but they don't. Well

1013
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: maybe they do, and I don't even know right knows

1014
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: how smart what you know? But anyway, yeah, yeah, please

1015
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: do call in or and we'll get that number on

1016
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 2: my next podcast and episode and or you know, email

1017
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: c t D at Phelpsing Game Calls dot com. So uh,

1018
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: until next time, thanks for listening. And uh man, I

1019
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: wish I really a really cool tagline, like like get them, get.

1020
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: Them, cut the distance you have to come up with one.

1021
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: Monsters are dumming.

1022
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Thanks everybody, everybody,