Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck
Speaker 1: My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's. It's a Tuesday
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys here from the virtual s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios as we break down what happened on Sunday
Speaker 1: against the Cincinnati Bengals, and then we start looking ahead
Speaker 1: to where the San Francisco forty nine ers come to town.
Speaker 1: It's a fans on the fifty Tuesday, So send in
Speaker 1: your fan questions right now in the periscope stream or
Speaker 1: you can go and tweet at us as well. But
Speaker 1: it's Hech, Harrison and Isaiah stand back alongside myself, Kyle Yeomen's,
Speaker 1: Ron Phillips, which join us here in just a minute
Speaker 1: whenever he's done doing his big time duties of talking
Speaker 1: to one oh five three the fan and the boys
Speaker 1: of Sean and RJ. But guys, how are we doing today?
Speaker 1: Are we Are we still reeling after the win on Sunday?
Speaker 1: Are we already looking ahead to what the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers present. Mister Isaiah, stand back, I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to the forty nine ers, sir. I mean the
Speaker 1: winds are in the past. Uh, it's already completed. Let's
Speaker 1: figure out what the heck we're gonna do next. That's
Speaker 1: such a coach answer, such a such a coach answer. Well,
Speaker 1: then then I'm on the whole of the end of that.
Speaker 1: I'm still basking in the after glow of the victory, asking, yes, hey,
Speaker 1: we've only had four of these victory Mondays. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: turn it to victory Tuesday. I'm gonna hold on to
Speaker 1: this feeling as long as I possibly can. It just
Speaker 1: felt good, man, It felt good to see our team
Speaker 1: get a win. And you know, guys play up to
Speaker 1: where they felt like they needed to be at this
Speaker 1: point in the season. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys saw. I mean, there's so much happening with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys right now, and I'm sure you're gonna hit this.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to get ahead of you, because
Speaker 1: that's what I do. Maskoyle, Yeah, yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: do it all the time, but I love it. But
Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty to talk about whenever he comes
Speaker 1: to the last couple of days because of what Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said yesterday on one HI five three The Fan,
Speaker 1: and then what Jerry Jones said today. And I kind
Speaker 1: of want to get into what Jerry said today, and
Speaker 1: he basically doubled down and he backed up Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and he said it would be crazy. His actual word
Speaker 1: was ridiculous on what he would end up or ridiculous
Speaker 1: to even think that Mike McCarthy would not be here
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. And that was what Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: said today on one h five three The Fan. But Isaiah,
Speaker 1: last week, you were the one that said that you
Speaker 1: didn't think that Mike McCarthy was the right man for
Speaker 1: the job. Does one win change that or is this
Speaker 1: just Jerry completely backing up his guy and doing what
Speaker 1: he needs to do on air talking about what his
Speaker 1: head coach is moving forward my steam is last week?
Speaker 1: Or was just in reference to being unsure if he
Speaker 1: is the right guy simply because of the decisions that
Speaker 1: he's allowed to pass through his ranks. The defensive thing,
Speaker 1: the things, the defensive calls or lack there of execution
Speaker 1: or defense which runs through the defensive coordinator in which
Speaker 1: he now he coaches that coach. So he allows that
Speaker 1: the special teams players have come through that he's allowed
Speaker 1: to across his table. Guess what he coaches that coach.
Speaker 1: He allows that. So I do have a lot of
Speaker 1: questions pretending around coach McCarthy. I have no questions about
Speaker 1: his history, his past, but we're not talking about the
Speaker 1: past anymore. Right The past gets you, gets you to
Speaker 1: the present. But right now, presently, we I don't think
Speaker 1: that he's done a good jobs as a head coach
Speaker 1: in terms of being the overseer of all decisions that
Speaker 1: touched them. But one game does not turn that around.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. We're still at the bottom of the of
Speaker 1: the league and a lot of a lot of different areas.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think he has a long way
Speaker 1: to go. I think, you know, you do owe him
Speaker 1: a full off season. Now. I think that's that's fair.
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying to get rid of him. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that based off his decisions this year, I am
Speaker 1: definitely not confident, but I'm going to give him. If
Speaker 1: I was a general manager, I would definitely give him
Speaker 1: another year in a full off season to show me
Speaker 1: that what I just saw this year was was not true. Well,
Speaker 1: I think any any other statement about Mike McCarthy in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty would obviously be a knee jerk reaction to
Speaker 1: what's going on with this team. You have to all
Speaker 1: things being considered with COVID and what this coaching staff
Speaker 1: has had to deal with. I think that's smart. I
Speaker 1: think you don't attack it any other way, especially when
Speaker 1: you went in to twenty twenty believing that you had
Speaker 1: the right guy and obviously, unbeknownst to you, global Pande
Speaker 1: mc breaks out, and so I think that that's smart.
Speaker 1: I think I didn't expect for Stephen or Jerry to
Speaker 1: answer that question any other way. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: not saying being let's be fair, I just feel as though,
Speaker 1: you know you can't just have the okay, let's fire
Speaker 1: this guy now, and realizing that he didn't have his
Speaker 1: full arsenal and he definitely didn't have time to prepare
Speaker 1: for the season. But there are some questionable things that
Speaker 1: has happened, Like Isaiah said, all of those calls, a
Speaker 1: lot of the things that he allowed to happen on
Speaker 1: special teams, defensive calls, things like that. He hears that
Speaker 1: offensive calls here, he's hearing again his headset and his
Speaker 1: job is to coach to coaches. So when things like
Speaker 1: that go by on your watch, that's just one more
Speaker 1: that they're they're notching and putting under under his name
Speaker 1: to see how he proceeds with this going into the future.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, I didn't expect it the answer
Speaker 1: to go anything any other way except for we're bringing
Speaker 1: him back next year and Rob, we're talking about Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones and what he said, yeah, or this morning rather
Speaker 1: on one oh five three the Fan just a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier than what you hopped on with Sean and
Speaker 1: r J. They were on with him and he was
Speaker 1: basically backing up Mike McCarthy and doubling down there. Do
Speaker 1: you think that was that's exactly what Jerry thinks moving forward?
Speaker 1: Or what do you What did you make out of
Speaker 1: what Jerry had to say? Yeah, sorry, guys, I ran
Speaker 1: kind of late on the Fan. I was honestly surprised
Speaker 1: that it picked up steam in the mainstream media the
Speaker 1: way it did. To be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any There has never been a question to
Speaker 1: me or I don't I believe Jerry in the Jones's
Speaker 1: mind that Mike's back next year. I mean, one thing
Speaker 1: about Jerry is one regret that he has going back
Speaker 1: to the late nineties in firing. I think it was
Speaker 1: chan Gaily was not giving him enough time to establish
Speaker 1: his program. It's it's one reason why Jason Garrett was
Speaker 1: here for ten years because Jerry, Jerry decided continuity with
Speaker 1: your coaching staff is very important. Now they reached a
Speaker 1: point with Jason Garrett where they decided they needed a
Speaker 1: new message. But they absolutely they're gonna give Mike a
Speaker 1: lot of rope, a lot of chances here because the
Speaker 1: pandemic is one thing. They also it's not based on
Speaker 1: so much to me, what's what's happened this year. This
Speaker 1: year has not been indicative of what he can do
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Part of it's the circumstances. Part
Speaker 1: of it's like you guys said, I mean, he's kind
Speaker 1: of a walk around coach. I think we lost Rob
Speaker 1: on both ends of this. So we'll get him back
Speaker 1: coming up here in just a little bit. But basically
Speaker 1: I like what he was talking to and I definitely
Speaker 1: want him to finish off what he was saying here
Speaker 1: in just a little bit. But Isaiah, whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to listening to Jerry Jones, I mean, it really hasn't
Speaker 1: been a question with Mike McCarthy, right, I mean it
Speaker 1: really hasn't. You never really at any point this season,
Speaker 1: even though no matter what you think personally, you never
Speaker 1: saw this coaching staff and said there's no way that MIKEL.
Speaker 1: McCarthy comes back in twenty twenty one. Correct. Uh, sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of an echo. So I think
Speaker 1: I got what you got what you said. But uh,
Speaker 1: in terms of just repeat the last sports you said,
Speaker 1: coach McCarthy, it was there any questionations he's coming back.
Speaker 1: There was no question about what Jerry Jones had to
Speaker 1: deal with in terms of bringing him back in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. That was never in question. But maybe the
Speaker 1: rest of the coaching staff that was kind of sporting
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah. Absolutely, I think obviously coach McCarthy's coming back.
Speaker 1: He you don't. You don't fire a coach after after
Speaker 1: what if this is this is unprecedented. This has never
Speaker 1: happened ever in the history of Everingham. Um, so you
Speaker 1: get you definitely, if you were to fire him you're
Speaker 1: the most cutthroat, ruthless individual in the world. If you
Speaker 1: fire the hey coach for that. However, however, you do
Speaker 1: fire coordinators and the defensive coordinator, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: see how they can retain him after this year. I
Speaker 1: think that you'd give it him a Yes, he's had
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries happening to him too. There's guys
Speaker 1: that were supposed to be there, Veterans are supposed to
Speaker 1: be there that he was relying on who you know,
Speaker 1: either got hurt or you know, either got cut. However,
Speaker 1: the cream of the crop, majority of his guys, they
Speaker 1: have been there. He's had a ton of injuries in
Speaker 1: the secondary as well, so he's had to overcome some things.
Speaker 1: But you look at it on the other side of
Speaker 1: the ball, Coach Philman has overcome those things as well,
Speaker 1: and coach philm is not even a coordinator. Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: has made adjustments as well, and he is a coordinator.
Speaker 1: So when you look at those those comparisons, when you
Speaker 1: start looking at history and saying, hey, this is one
Speaker 1: of the worst defensive defenses of all time, it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to justify giving him another opportunity to come
Speaker 1: back because he hasn't shown you that he can overcome adversity.
Speaker 1: That's That's one thing that I think everybody looks for
Speaker 1: is I hate when those points of adversity really hit,
Speaker 1: when those hurdles show up. How do you get over him?
Speaker 1: Do you get over him? Or do you just run
Speaker 1: into them over and over again? And I think that
Speaker 1: our defense has continually ran into the same dog and
Speaker 1: hurt and set up finding a way around it. Heckma
Speaker 1: Isaiah said, ever them, that's that's good. Uh. Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: is Uh. Mike Nolan has had his struggles, and I
Speaker 1: think when you look at the numbers on the defense,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's through, it's off the charts. How bad
Speaker 1: this defense has been on so many levels. And I
Speaker 1: think it's hard uh as a fan base to kind
Speaker 1: of get behind him and say, Okay, let's give him
Speaker 1: another let's give him another stabbath this um, you know,
Speaker 1: not making any excuses for him. I just feel like
Speaker 1: he did not He never had the personnel to play
Speaker 1: the scheme uh that he wanted, and I believe he
Speaker 1: knew that going into the season. There are so many
Speaker 1: injuries that happened prior before the season even started. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like that was many moons ago. But there
Speaker 1: were so many guys that we were counting on to
Speaker 1: be a part of this defense that that were not
Speaker 1: and you know, with the rookies and and um guys
Speaker 1: that came off the practice squad to be on the defense.
Speaker 1: It just seemed to me like this defense never had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get that continuity that we thought they
Speaker 1: would have in the front line, linebacker wise, dvs. And look, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's the story all on its own, and just
Speaker 1: how bad that has been for us, especially at the
Speaker 1: safety position. We have to do something there, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know, I kind of I hesitate to place Blaine,
Speaker 1: especially when you know coaches are not coaching guys to
Speaker 1: with on tackles and not attack the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: or not break on balls. These are things that guys
Speaker 1: have been playing their whole entire careers. And so look,
Speaker 1: I just feel as though, even with that, even with
Speaker 1: all things being considered, maybe we you know, approach this
Speaker 1: with caution and say, look, man, let's let's come back
Speaker 1: to it the defense in the off season. Let's get
Speaker 1: some of the personnel in there. So that we can
Speaker 1: play the kind of defense that Nolan wants to play,
Speaker 1: because right now he doesn't have the dogs to do it. Wow,
Speaker 1: So Isaiah, you're keeping him all right? Excuse me, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: you're moving on and then heckma, you're keeping him Rob.
Speaker 1: I see you back on our WebEx side of things. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm agree with Mike Nolan. I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. I mean, I think you know. He was
Speaker 1: asked directly last night via conference called by the media,
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan was you know, do you expect to be back?
Speaker 1: And he said he's not thinking about it, and if
Speaker 1: when that time comes, we'll deal with it if there
Speaker 1: is a change. So like, look, he's aware of how
Speaker 1: bad the defense has been this year. He knows it.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at the numbers, it's it's
Speaker 1: historically bad. And it was a step in the right
Speaker 1: direction on Sunday. But you know, I hear what you're
Speaker 1: saying about, you know, not having the pieces necessarily to
Speaker 1: play what you want, but then play a four three,
Speaker 1: you know, don't be as multiple. And they did scale
Speaker 1: some things back as the season went along, but he
Speaker 1: has done both schemes throughout his career, and we heard
Speaker 1: about them trying to you know, Taylor scheme to the personnel.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've really done that this year.
Speaker 1: They tried to fit it around what they wanted to do,
Speaker 1: and it hasn't. It hasn't worked, And some of it's
Speaker 1: personnel and some of it is executing you know, simple assignments.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about that, Isaiah talked about that
Speaker 1: during the season. There's been basic coverage as they've blown
Speaker 1: and then in the personnel game too. Look, they haven't
Speaker 1: they didn't replace certain players well enough clearly Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath, MALIEK. Collins. You can go down the list
Speaker 1: you would. When people say it's, oh, it's it's the
Speaker 1: same defense as last year, No it's not. You know,
Speaker 1: they're missing guys that did a good job for them
Speaker 1: last year. So it's a lot of different reasons. But
Speaker 1: as I said on the fan a few minutes ago,
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna have to ask some hard questions
Speaker 1: after the year about scheme, why didn't it work? And
Speaker 1: obviously Mike Nolan's going to be a huge part of that.
Speaker 1: We know Mike McCarthy has a lot of faith in him,
Speaker 1: but you know, something's got to change. Whether it's drastic
Speaker 1: changes in scheme or whether it's a change at the
Speaker 1: coordinator position. I don't know what they're gonna do. And
Speaker 1: I think that's something that's significant is is a lot
Speaker 1: of people are I mean, that's kind of where I
Speaker 1: hear that excuse come in and it's it's, oh, this
Speaker 1: is the same personnel group. And I've said it before,
Speaker 1: it's very similar of a personnel group that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had last year on defense. But one guy that's not
Speaker 1: out there's number thirty one and Byron Jones, and you
Speaker 1: don't have Byron Jones back out there. So it's a
Speaker 1: combination of the personnel, it's a combination of the scheme.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things missing out of this defense
Speaker 1: that have to be found this offseason for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to start having a little bit of success. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I am watching the periscope chat because it
Speaker 1: is fans on the fifty Tuesdays, So once again, if
Speaker 1: you have questions, send in your questions on the periscope chat.
Speaker 1: I like this comment from for Dizzel and I love
Speaker 1: the name to for Dizzele. He says, bring Wade Phillips back.
Speaker 1: Best defense we've had it forever. Where anybody want to go,
Speaker 1: get it? Get Wade Phillips back, Isaiah, you played for
Speaker 1: the man. Yeah. Coach Phillips is an amazing human being.
Speaker 1: First of all, he's not I wouldn't classify him as
Speaker 1: an amazing head coach. He's he's a great gentleman and
Speaker 1: nice guy. But I think he's an amazing defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: That's just one thing he does well. I think he's
Speaker 1: stepped out of his element a little bit when when
Speaker 1: m P. I'm grateful because he brought me on. Um.
Speaker 1: But but but um, I think I think he's he's
Speaker 1: a much better defensive coordinator. And I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anywhere he's been where he hasn't been well respected, where
Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten the most out of that out of
Speaker 1: the out of those players, out of that defense. Um.
Speaker 1: He brings a lot of a lot of range, a
Speaker 1: lot of diversity, the diversity, a lot of chick curveballs,
Speaker 1: you know. In terms of his defensive schemes, He's able
Speaker 1: to run the three four, He's able to run the
Speaker 1: four to three no matter what personnel He's had, He's
Speaker 1: found a way. And I think that's my biggest issue
Speaker 1: with with with Mike Nolan this year is everybody knows
Speaker 1: that you've had injuries. Everybody gets it. Everybody gets that
Speaker 1: you've had injuries. Everybody gets that you brought veterans in
Speaker 1: that that you knew we're going to play an integral
Speaker 1: part and they didn't show up the way that you
Speaker 1: expected him to. We get it, We totally understand. However,
Speaker 1: as a coach, as a player, right you're judge based
Speaker 1: off of how you can overcome those things. How can
Speaker 1: you how can you change course? If this is your
Speaker 1: course and you run a dog on boulder comes off
Speaker 1: the mountain and blocks your road. Do you just sit
Speaker 1: there and say, well, I'm just gonna wake this one out.
Speaker 1: Or do you say, you know, let me find a way.
Speaker 1: Let me start looking around. Can I go up that way? Now?
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can go around this way?
Speaker 1: You start changing things that you have to get creative
Speaker 1: because this is your personnel, this is what you have.
Speaker 1: Either you go have a conversation with Will, with Will
Speaker 1: McClay and Jerry Jones and you say, hey, I need
Speaker 1: to get this guy out of here. Give me, this
Speaker 1: guy right here that I see blah blas blase, or
Speaker 1: you say, these are my guys that I have on
Speaker 1: my current roster. What the heck can I do to
Speaker 1: make sure that these guys are effective and efficient? I
Speaker 1: don't care if it's even something that nobody's ever seen before. Shoot,
Speaker 1: when I played for New England, Rex Ryan used to
Speaker 1: run a one one five five defense one to five five. Hey,
Speaker 1: what the heck is a one five five That's never
Speaker 1: been done ever in history? But guess what, that's the
Speaker 1: personnel group he had. He trusted one defensive linement. He
Speaker 1: had five good, really good linebackers in five dB. So
Speaker 1: what did he do? This is what we're going with.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whether or not his tradition or not.
Speaker 1: Find a way to make it happen. Find a way
Speaker 1: to throw off the opposing team and be successful. And no,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, Kyle, I just want to say that,
Speaker 1: you know, I agree with that, and I think that
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you got to play to the strength
Speaker 1: of the guys that you have. But in the NFL,
Speaker 1: if you stay with us a look too long, teams
Speaker 1: will pick you apart. And he had to be multifaceted
Speaker 1: with his defense and his coverages. If you're looking for
Speaker 1: just talk about Tank Lawrence, right, a guy that we've
Speaker 1: seen that come in through the draft that it was
Speaker 1: a little raw. We have to work on this game.
Speaker 1: Leon Lett worked on him to know end and he
Speaker 1: turned out to be a player and got the contract.
Speaker 1: Incomes Mike Nolan changes what we were doing before from
Speaker 1: the four three to the three four, and now instead
Speaker 1: of being a guy that's in the three down, he's
Speaker 1: in a bicycle stand right, and that changes the dynamic
Speaker 1: of the way that that guy had been coached up
Speaker 1: all of those years. I just and then let's go
Speaker 1: back to the fact that multiple interviews with Steven Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones saying that, look, we have the guys on campus
Speaker 1: to get this done. We haven't seen that those guys yet.
Speaker 1: Right back when we were trying to get other guys
Speaker 1: from other teams, and I don't even want to get
Speaker 1: Isaiah started about this, but I just feel as though
Speaker 1: we had multiple opportunities to bring in guys to help us,
Speaker 1: but we felt like the group that we had was
Speaker 1: good enough. And I think that going back and looking
Speaker 1: at the film, we realized that we didn't have it.
Speaker 1: That's so frustrating, it really is, because there were guys
Speaker 1: out there that can potentially help you, or at least
Speaker 1: you thought so, and they just haven't been able to
Speaker 1: bring any any of those guys in. Rod. But those
Speaker 1: names sound good in names theory, right and right. But
Speaker 1: look at who the Cowboys brought in and name it
Speaker 1: sounded great too, you know, Everson Griffin, don Terry Poe
Speaker 1: didn't work. Yeah, so, I mean there was no guarantee there.
Speaker 1: I don't really you know, nobody signed her Old Thomas
Speaker 1: this year for whatever reason. I'm not saying he can't
Speaker 1: play anymore, but nobody did so. Isaiah mentioned Rex Ryan.
Speaker 1: It did get me thinking about Rob Ryan coming in here,
Speaker 1: and there's there's a similarity. Like after Wade's tenure, rob
Speaker 1: Ryan comes in as DC and we heard about being
Speaker 1: multiple and doing all this different stuff and it's it
Speaker 1: sounds great, but if you can't apply it on the field,
Speaker 1: that's when you have a problem. They had substitution pattern problems,
Speaker 1: you know, with with Rob Ryan, and that's they try
Speaker 1: to do too much. You know, Jerry said it um
Speaker 1: and guys aren't comfortable on the field, then that's that's
Speaker 1: where your primary job as a coach is making your
Speaker 1: players comfortable on the field, and they have yet to
Speaker 1: do that consistently. And that's why the rankings are where
Speaker 1: they are, and the Cowboys are at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the barrel whenever it comes to those rankings. And this
Speaker 1: will be You're welcome, guys. I just wanted to let
Speaker 1: that be known. But I mean, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a conversation not only this week, but next week and
Speaker 1: the week after and in to the offseason, because that's
Speaker 1: how the conversation is going to continue to unfold. And
Speaker 1: these last three games, I mean we talk we mentioned
Speaker 1: yesterday players playing for their jobs. These coaches are coaching
Speaker 1: their jobs as well, and they're trying to find a
Speaker 1: way back here in twenty twenty one, or at least
Speaker 1: somewhere on an NFL roster, in NFL staff, somewhere throughout
Speaker 1: the league. But when we come back, you're on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: will continue this conversation. We'll look ahead a little bit
Speaker 1: to the San Francisco game, and how important is it
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys keep this momentum rolling When we return
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Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys. So guys mentioned this a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week, but we didn't really get
Speaker 1: a chance to go into it. But we saw Reggie
Speaker 1: Robinson for one play, hey, for one stamp. We saw
Speaker 1: him as a warner and it was a run play
Speaker 1: to the other side. And we also saw another inactive
Speaker 1: Bradley And I my question is to you, guys, what's
Speaker 1: holding this back now? I mean, because earlier it was
Speaker 1: kind of a fun little joke. It was a bit
Speaker 1: of a bit let's let's see these guys. We want
Speaker 1: to see him play. But whenever you're four and nine
Speaker 1: and you're in the position where you are, where you're
Speaker 1: a half a game from being eliminated out of the
Speaker 1: NFC East Hunt, why is Reggie Robinson not available, and
Speaker 1: where is Bradley and I at the same time, because Isaiah,
Speaker 1: rob I don't I don't know. I don't know at
Speaker 1: this point anymore where they could be made these something's
Speaker 1: holding them back, Isaiah. Do you think of anything specific
Speaker 1: that could potentially be the case with those guys not
Speaker 1: even remotely seeing snaps, especially right now without having seen practice.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I could even remotely even point
Speaker 1: to would be just their comprehension of the playbook, that's all.
Speaker 1: And again that's just me guessing. I have no idea,
Speaker 1: But if I had to guess anything, it would be
Speaker 1: the comprehension of the playbook. Because we have literally went
Speaker 1: down at least at the at least at the safety position.
Speaker 1: We went down to Dan. They're picking going to rob
Speaker 1: Pee Island and grabbing somebody and and and he still
Speaker 1: hasn't found a way to be on the field. So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's going on. I wish I could
Speaker 1: see practice that have a better understanding Bradley and I.
Speaker 1: I think there's just there's just too many guys in
Speaker 1: front of them right now. Honestly, I mean Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: coming off of coming off suspension, on us of that
Speaker 1: that obviously pushed him down even more. So. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of events. There's a lot of guys that are
Speaker 1: getting paid a good amount of money. You got guys
Speaker 1: like Crawford that are in there, they're getting paid good
Speaker 1: money that they have to play. They have to play
Speaker 1: them because they're paying them. So you know, unfortunately he's
Speaker 1: just he just gets a red shirt. Ear But in
Speaker 1: terms of the Robinson ordeal, I have no idea. Heckma,
Speaker 1: so you go one play with Robinson and automatically you
Speaker 1: get the hook and pull them out. That's a and
Speaker 1: to me, I mean in similar situations like that, it
Speaker 1: just see it sounds like what I said said, the
Speaker 1: coaches don't trust them, and but how do they trust
Speaker 1: those other guys that we see getting beat on just
Speaker 1: simple slam routes. You know, look, I've always been that
Speaker 1: person that felt like the coaches and as much time
Speaker 1: as they spend evaluating players that I know I'm starting
Speaker 1: to sound like a broken record on this, but that's
Speaker 1: just how I feel. I think they do a good
Speaker 1: enough job Monday to Sunday doing the evaluations and to me,
Speaker 1: if that guy had anything in them that they felt
Speaker 1: like would be useful on game day, he'd be in there.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe this is a red shirt year
Speaker 1: for him to pick up the playbook. And you know,
Speaker 1: all things being considered when we talk about Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and Mike Nolan and all the coaches that are gonna
Speaker 1: come back, we have to keep put into consideration that
Speaker 1: guys like Reggie Robinson may have benefited greatly from OTAs
Speaker 1: and everything else that he was not a part of.
Speaker 1: So look, I just feel like and even we're going
Speaker 1: to Bradley and nine, I think again, Randy Gregory emerging
Speaker 1: on the roster and also Dorrence Armstrong. I think they
Speaker 1: believe more in those guys and you see them staying
Speaker 1: with them. But again, even those young guys are getting
Speaker 1: reps on special teams. So it's not all for nine.
Speaker 1: And we still have a couple more games left and
Speaker 1: you may get your wish, Kyle, I hope. So yeah, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a little Lloyd Christmas here. So
Speaker 1: you're saying there's a chance because because Mike Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: kind of left the door open yesterday. He said he
Speaker 1: said they talk about him every week like they have
Speaker 1: the discussion should he be up, should they give him
Speaker 1: an opportunity? And it's what you guys said. Mike basically said,
Speaker 1: you know, when Randy came back, they played the same position,
Speaker 1: so uh, it's a it's a numbers thing. Unfortunately, they
Speaker 1: said it's nothing he's done wrong in practice, he's practiced well. Uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't get the same vibe when when Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: was asked about Reggie Robinson yesterday, he talked about how, um,
Speaker 1: let me give you the quote. I wish we actually
Speaker 1: had the cut, but he said, um, you know, he
Speaker 1: just needs to continue to practice, work hard, and when
Speaker 1: his opportunity strikes, he needs to answer the bell, which good,
Speaker 1: we will. Yeah, that's not good. That's good. That sounds
Speaker 1: like I mean and we're reading the lines, but that
Speaker 1: sounds like you're not seeing enough on the on the field.
Speaker 1: The other thing, the other thing that Mike Nolan said though,
Speaker 1: was that they're working him at corner and safety. And
Speaker 1: I know that Mike McCarthy has said since training camp
Speaker 1: they want their dbs to be able to play everywhere.
Speaker 1: But but you know, if you have a rookie that
Speaker 1: that a draft pick coming in who played corner his
Speaker 1: entire college career. Uh, maybe maybe pick one and let
Speaker 1: him get comfortable one thing. Maybe that's maybe that's you know,
Speaker 1: affecting his development a little bit. I don't know. Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones was on the fan yesterday and said, look, just
Speaker 1: remember Tristan Hill. We talked about the same stuff with
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill last year, and look how he developed. So
Speaker 1: give him time. He might very well developing him. I
Speaker 1: could talk to that because when I got drafted by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I was a quarterback and I came in
Speaker 1: and I show up and I was still injured, and
Speaker 1: by the time I touched the field, it was camp
Speaker 1: and they didn't have time to teach me how to
Speaker 1: play receiver. They didn't have time. They had to get
Speaker 1: guys ready, right, had to get te O ready, Terry Glenn,
Speaker 1: you know, you know Patrick Crayden, you know Sam her
Speaker 1: Miles Ass and all these guys. All these guys had
Speaker 1: to get ready to play in the game. They didn't
Speaker 1: have time to be teaching the rookie how to play receiver.
Speaker 1: So a lot of that stuff I had to try
Speaker 1: to figure out on my own. So if he is,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he's coming in as a safety. But
Speaker 1: he's playing, you know, coming in as a corner and
Speaker 1: going too safety. It's a it's a whole new it's
Speaker 1: a whole new area, right. A lot of peoples like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's still just a secondary. It's totally different. Your reads
Speaker 1: are different, your eyes are different, your rank, you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're space, you're you're where you're adding space or
Speaker 1: pro reception, all that stuff is different. So um, you know,
Speaker 1: give Hi, give him some time, give him some time.
Speaker 1: It'll come around. But you know they don't. They didn't
Speaker 1: have the offseason to give him reps to get more
Speaker 1: comfortable there. But when your coach tells you you need
Speaker 1: to answer to Bill when when your numbers call it,
Speaker 1: that sounds like he's probably laying an egg in practice somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I talked to UM. I talked to Reggie's position coach
Speaker 1: at Tulsa a few months back, Aaron Fletcher, and he said,
Speaker 1: I mean he was I think he was a safety
Speaker 1: in high school, but yeah, he was a he was
Speaker 1: their top corner. Like go go just whoever the best
Speaker 1: receiver is, go cover him and shut him down. Cortland, Sudden,
Speaker 1: whoever it was in that conference he's a corner, you know,
Speaker 1: and so if you're trying to convert him to safety,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably part of it. But yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you've got to heck, you said it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta do enough in practice to where the coaches
Speaker 1: trust you, and that probably is not the case. Shit,
Speaker 1: And I think that's where I'm frustrated because with Bradley
Speaker 1: and I kind of get it right, You kind of
Speaker 1: get it because there's people in front of you. Either,
Speaker 1: there's other guys. There's Randy Gregory, there's Dorn's Armstrong, There's
Speaker 1: guys there. So if he's not getting snaps, then it's
Speaker 1: because those other guys are earning those snaps. But with
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson, like Isaiah said, we're going out to rob
Speaker 1: Pe Island to grab a guy. I mean, we were
Speaker 1: a couple. We were one more strained calf away from
Speaker 1: putting the team manager out there to play corner. So
Speaker 1: why is Reggie Robinson last on that list? That's just
Speaker 1: where I have that confusion, And like you said, maybe
Speaker 1: it is. I mean that's pretty uh, that's pretty worrisome.
Speaker 1: Hearing from Mike Nolan saying that he has to take
Speaker 1: advantage whenever those opportunities pop up, because I mean, that's
Speaker 1: coach peak for saying he hasn't taken advantage, you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, absolutely right. But you know when you're playing
Speaker 1: a game such as we just played where you where
Speaker 1: you blow a team out like that, and you you
Speaker 1: you know you can afford a couple of plays like
Speaker 1: even though you're playing a soft show defense anyway, guess
Speaker 1: what you play corner, Get out there, play there, get
Speaker 1: out there. I can say there's times in a game
Speaker 1: where they threw me out there at gunner. They threw
Speaker 1: me out there at all different positions and I've never played,
Speaker 1: ever played. I can remember playing in a play playing
Speaker 1: for New England, playing against the dog on Saints, and
Speaker 1: we're in there in that place as rocking as you
Speaker 1: guys can imagine, and somebody somebody got hurt and they're like,
Speaker 1: I said, here, get in there, get in there on
Speaker 1: the front line a kickoff return. I'm like, I've never
Speaker 1: even taking one repid practice in this he So they
Speaker 1: showed me a piece of paper, They're like, hey, do
Speaker 1: this right here. I'm like, all right, so I'll run
Speaker 1: out there, and a guess you run out there and
Speaker 1: guess what. I went out there and I handled and
Speaker 1: I did exactly what I was supposed to do. So
Speaker 1: guess what I played the rest of the year. Do
Speaker 1: you hit a guy? You know what I'm saying, Get
Speaker 1: not just I mean, i had never in my life
Speaker 1: taking a rep and I'm playing on the front line
Speaker 1: a kickoff return. It's hard usually as a kickoff returner, right,
Speaker 1: but playing on the front line a kickoff return I was.
Speaker 1: I was because of my size and my speed. I
Speaker 1: could be a returner, I could be in a front line,
Speaker 1: I could whatever. So they put me on a front
Speaker 1: line on that play and I had to run back
Speaker 1: set my feed. There's a lot of technique that's associated
Speaker 1: with playing that position. It's hard. It's not like that
Speaker 1: NFL now where seventy eighty percent of the kicks go
Speaker 1: out the end zone. This was every every kick was
Speaker 1: dating there being returned and I made I made the
Speaker 1: play right. I do what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I did my assignment, do your job, nothing special, just
Speaker 1: did my job. And from that one play that I
Speaker 1: had never practiced before, I played that the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. So you know, put him out there. So
Speaker 1: what he's so what he hasn't handy reps at corner
Speaker 1: this year. Guess where that's what he did. That's what's
Speaker 1: his DNA. If you're blows a team out, throw him
Speaker 1: out there, let's see what he has. Let's just see
Speaker 1: him compete. They didn't even see him compete. Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's called answering the bill. That's called answering. The bill said, yeah,
Speaker 1: answer the bell. And I just don't think that this
Speaker 1: coaching staff has the confidence that he will answer the bell.
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the quarterback position, and you
Speaker 1: said it in a blowout? What could possibly go wrong
Speaker 1: if you're in zone coverage and your guy goes across
Speaker 1: the field and a crossing route, you know to stay
Speaker 1: in your zone. You've been playing that since high school? Right, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. There has to be some other
Speaker 1: things going on, And I think in the off season
Speaker 1: will have a better opportunity to evaluate this player. True,
Speaker 1: And when we come back here on Talking Cowboys, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the potential and the percentage that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could win out and get back to seven wins.
Speaker 1: And maybe Reggie Robinson's a part of that. Maybe Bradley
Speaker 1: and I is probably not. We're probably not gonna see
Speaker 1: them if we didn't see him against Cincinnati, so my
Speaker 1: my hopes are shot. But we're gonna talk about percentages
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Speaker 1: SEBZ in Frisco see Basy holding down the fort. Now
Speaker 1: I want to give you, guys. We've only got about
Speaker 1: four or five minutes left in the show, and I
Speaker 1: want a percentage from you guys. What is the percentage
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys win out the final three games of
Speaker 1: the season San Francisco Sunday, New York next week, and
Speaker 1: then we've got Philadelphia coming up or excuse me, I
Speaker 1: flipped those Philadelphia's next week and then New York to
Speaker 1: round out the season. But what is the percentage that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went out? And then I want a second percentage,
Speaker 1: what's the percentage that they win to division which means
Speaker 1: that Washington would have to lose out as well. And
Speaker 1: this is just to get a gauge going into the
Speaker 1: rest of the week in our preparation of San Francisco
Speaker 1: and kind of how we're looking at things and maybe
Speaker 1: even from a coaching staff conversation standpoint. But heck no,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with you. Where is your percentage right
Speaker 1: now in terms of the Cowboys winning out and winning
Speaker 1: to the division. I'm standing in Tostito's plaza right now,
Speaker 1: going back to the FunTown RV. Man. That's it's a
Speaker 1: tough one. Um. I don't have a lot of faith
Speaker 1: that we win out. It just I just don't. And
Speaker 1: I feel like the other teams they have so much
Speaker 1: more to be playing for. UM. So I mean I
Speaker 1: give it, oh god, man, like twenty five percent. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just throwing out a number on that to
Speaker 1: win out no to to no? Yeah, okay division? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Well I was asking for two separate numbers there. But
Speaker 1: that's okay, Isaiah, where are you going? Where are you
Speaker 1: going with on this one? I'll take thirty three percent
Speaker 1: and five percent? Sir? Okay, okay, explain your reasoning. Uh
Speaker 1: thirty three percent, I think we win one of those
Speaker 1: three games, um, and then uh five five percent because
Speaker 1: if we if we do win, uh you know, a
Speaker 1: game or two. I don't think I don't see any
Speaker 1: of all those other teams losing out I don't see Washington,
Speaker 1: in New York and Philly all just losing out. So
Speaker 1: the chances are really slammed that will win win a division.
Speaker 1: What's the game that we would win out of those three? Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: really that would have probably been the one, one of
Speaker 1: the ones that I would say that you wouldn't win,
Speaker 1: especially if Jalen Hurts still plays the way that he
Speaker 1: played last week. Yeah, I think they find a way.
Speaker 1: They find a way. I think they I think they're
Speaker 1: they're discontent. Their displeasure of the Giants will will carry
Speaker 1: them through. Okay, okay, Rob I went to a M
Speaker 1: so I don't I'm not good with percentages, but I
Speaker 1: would say, um, you know, I think they got a
Speaker 1: chance to win two out of three. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think they can win their last two division games. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't see New York is is playing better, but
Speaker 1: from a from just a personnel standpoint, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't look at their roster and say they can't beat
Speaker 1: that team. Um. Same with Philly especially. I think Jalen Hurts. Definitely,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts has given them a spark though, so they
Speaker 1: might be a very different team in two weeks. The
Speaker 1: San Francisco game I worry about because the way they
Speaker 1: run the football no matter who's back there, So that's
Speaker 1: gonna be And when Mike Nolan said yesterday that their
Speaker 1: scheme is like Cleveland scheme, like Washington scheme, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, okay, well see how that goes. But look,
Speaker 1: they took a step forward last week, So we'll see
Speaker 1: what was the percentage on the second one, just winning
Speaker 1: the division? Just winning the division. I'll go with Isaiah
Speaker 1: like five percent. Like all all it takes is one
Speaker 1: win by Washington and if and if Alex Smith is
Speaker 1: going to be back and healthy, I like their chances
Speaker 1: of winning another game. They're starting to put it together. Defensively,
Speaker 1: they look pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty incredible to see
Speaker 1: what kind of defensive fronts that the NFC East is
Speaker 1: kind of putting together. And I'm gonna ask the question
Speaker 1: tomorrow because I think we need more time on this,
Speaker 1: but is the defensive fronts that we've seen from Philadelphia
Speaker 1: that dominated New Orleans on Sunday, from Washington that we've
Speaker 1: seen all year? And then also, I mean New York's
Speaker 1: defensive front is not not too shabby as well. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask the question tomorrow is this in
Speaker 1: retaliation or not retaliation? But is this an adjustment made
Speaker 1: by the other divisional opponents to what our offensive line
Speaker 1: looked like previously, in what the Cowboys had as an
Speaker 1: offensive line in the past. And so we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit tomorrow. But that's gonna do
Speaker 1: for us here on Talking Cowboys on this Tuesday. So
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