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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Black Autils podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Rod, joined us always by my co

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Speaker 2: host Kieren, and we are live on a Sunday morning,

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Speaker 2: ready to bring you some podcast. And we've been up

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Speaker 2: early this weekend. Week We do a at eight o'clock

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Speaker 2: So listen, get your coffee, That's what we were saying. Yes,

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Speaker 2: bringing you another episode early in the morning. Find us

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Speaker 2: We have a guest. If you're live on crowdcast, you

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Speaker 2: see we have a guest. If you're listening later, you

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Speaker 2: probably see it in the show notes. Today's guest is

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Speaker 2: a doctor, professor, a wellness educator passionate about helping women,

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Speaker 2: especially Black women, proclaim their health and wholeness. Welcome the

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Speaker 2: host of the award winning podcast Be Well Sis, Cassandra Dunbar.

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Speaker 1: How you doing good?

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Speaker 3: Hello? Hello, I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, happy to meet you.

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Speaker 2: How did first of all, like, how did you like

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Speaker 2: make this path of deciding to be like, first of

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Speaker 2: all multi hyphen it.

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Speaker 3: I'm all through, you know, we'd be doing it all.

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Speaker 3: I'd be telling people.

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Speaker 4: I was like, if anything happened in another black woman

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Speaker 4: you'd be like, what are you doing, Sis, I'm getting

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Speaker 4: more educated? Why? Because I don't know what I don't

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Speaker 4: know what Trump is doing and I want to be

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Speaker 4: strik get all the job. Well, you crack my own

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Speaker 4: if he takes all the avenues away?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how how'd you get on that path from? Like?

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Speaker 2: Was it like something you've thought of as a kid?

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Speaker 2: Was it a passion? Was it something you know you

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Speaker 4: Alma?

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Speaker 5: So I will tell you how I went into medicine.

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Speaker 5: So when I was in high school, the only thing

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Speaker 5: that I really enjoyed was the sciences. I had to

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Speaker 5: don't bring no bees and ceas home. So I did

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Speaker 5: good in school, but the only thing I really liked

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Speaker 5: when I went to biology, I was like, hmm, I

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Speaker 5: so then let me just try my hands at you know, medicine.

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Speaker 5: And at the time, my auntie, she was battling breast

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Speaker 5: cancer and I was her chemo buddy, so I was like,

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Speaker 5: you know what, I want to go into medicine. So

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Speaker 5: that is how I ended up there. In terms of education,

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Speaker 5: I've always been a teacher. If I know something, you

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Speaker 5: hold this information. So that is how I got transferred,

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Speaker 5: education and then podcasting. Honestly, my therapist was just like, girl,

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Speaker 5: what do you do for you? And I'm just like,

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Speaker 5: what do you mean for me? She's just like, do

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Speaker 5: something for yourself? And she's like, you know, years ago

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Speaker 3: Why you do that for self care? She don't podcast,

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Speaker 5: And I didn't know either, So I'm like, okay, I

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Speaker 5: This's like my whole like third jobs, my my third baby.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that is how I got here. What is more?

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Speaker 3: I notice my son city. But what do you think

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Speaker 4: And more difficult going like that doctor route or doing podcasting?

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Speaker 4: Because podcast requires more technical and it it requires almost

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Speaker 4: I don't think people really understand the requirements are kind

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Speaker 5: Truly, Yep, you said it. I feel like I am.

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Speaker 5: I've always been like BookSmart, Like if you give me

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Speaker 5: Podcasting it's always changing. I don't have the technical like

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Speaker 2: So It's funny too that your therapist came up with

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Speaker 2: the idea, Like was it just like girl, you being

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Speaker 4: Stuff, good avenue for you just need to be recorded.

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Speaker 4: I don't need to be the only audience.

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Speaker 3: No, what happened was so this was six years ago.

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Speaker 5: Six years ago, I had my oldest, not my oldest,

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Speaker 3: So when I was going to therapy and I was.

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Speaker 5: And she's like, you know, I had talked to her

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Speaker 2: To like, are you so, like, is it No, I

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Speaker 5: My my full time job is I'm a professor. Ok Yeah,

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Speaker 5: In a way, I feel like being a podcaster has

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Speaker 4: That's true. What is it that made you decide I

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Speaker 4: that's a very tough decision to make, specifically if you

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Speaker 3: So what made you make that decision?

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Speaker 5: I was really going through it because let me go back,

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Speaker 5: just like if I broke my leg, or if you

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Speaker 5: So there are people who have special gifts and talents

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Speaker 5: and education to help us with the unseen wounds, why not.

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Speaker 3: Give it a try?

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Speaker 4: So and I fess where and maybe it's just me.

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Speaker 4: And when I talk to people, I go, this is

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I say all that to say, when I

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Speaker 2: saw her comments, I understood in the context she was

436
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Speaker 2: trying to say, which is like, because she wasn't saying

437
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Speaker 2: if you're looking.

438
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Speaker 1: For a job or or go get a job if

439
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Speaker 1: you don't.

440
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 2: She was saying, if you're an entrepreneur and you're struggling,

441
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Speaker 2: you're not failing if you got to go back to

442
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 2: the to the to the job market, which is you know,

443
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: as an entrepreneur who has struggle. It is a message

444
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Speaker 2: that some people will need to hear. The problem is

445
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: when you're that big and in an environment where everyone

446
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 2: is like, you know, like we're burning down this person today,

447
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: it's there's no way to reach everyone in a way

448
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: that will obviously help everyone. Someone's gonna hear that message

449
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: and be affirmed. Someone else is gonna hear that same

450
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: message and be like attack. I don't necessarily think those

451
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Speaker 2: two things are correlated, meaning three hundred thousand women being

452
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Speaker 2: black women being fired by this administration versus Tabitha being like.

453
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Speaker 1: Y'all go get a job.

454
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Speaker 2: I don't think those are correlated, but I think timing wise,

455
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Speaker 2: and on our internet environment, we will correlate them even

456
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Speaker 2: if it's not so like if she was given that

457
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Speaker 2: same speech on a panel somewhere, we'd be like, oh,

458
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Speaker 2: it's an entrepreneur panel and she's just talking to entrepreneurs,

459
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Speaker 2: which kind of sounded like that's what she was doing.

460
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Speaker 2: But on the Internet, everything goes out to everybody. There's

461
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Speaker 2: no Parson, So me person that just lost my job,

462
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Speaker 2: I'm like, f Brown, I don't appreciate it. And of

463
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: course this is the other pitfall of just all this

464
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: stuff in a place. She comes from a place where

465
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: her job is kind of giving advice affirmation. It's that's

466
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Speaker 2: what she came on the scene. As I still remember

467
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: everybody loving her because like the first time they saw

468
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: on TikTok and.

469
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Speaker 1: It was like, hey my baby, it's gonna be okay.

470
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Speaker 2: I know it's And now like it's been years, she

471
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: like she's out of this is gonna be okay. It's

472
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: like we're she got to come up with new content.

473
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: She's a content creator now. So now it is this

474
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Speaker 2: is how this job thing works, this is how relationships work,

475
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Speaker 2: and yeah, you're gonna piss people off giving advice in general,

476
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Speaker 2: just because everybody. Advice ain't for everyone. But I mostly

477
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: was moved at or disturbed. I guess by how angry

478
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Speaker 2: certain factions got at her, because I feel like that's

479
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Speaker 2: the currency of our social media for the most part.

480
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Speaker 1: It won't be her.

481
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, but it'll be somebody. Somebody gonna piss somebody off themorrow,

482
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: and we're gonna spend all day online being like young thug.

483
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why he gotta go down. It's like,

484
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Speaker 2: I don't know nothing about young Thug.

485
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Speaker 1: I don't really care. Can I move on from this?

486
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Speaker 4: Right? My rule for social media is twenty four to

487
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: forty eight hours. Will you care within twenty four to

488
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 4: forty eight hours? If you don't, it is not that

489
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 4: important for a lot of anger. Like this is my

490
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Speaker 4: own personal rule because I've been on the internet and

491
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 4: I watched things low enough, and I watched things flow,

492
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Speaker 4: and what I realized the internet has to always have

493
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Speaker 4: something to consume. If she would have said this at

494
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Speaker 4: a time where something else broke, nobody would Nobody would

495
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Speaker 4: have cared about anything she had to say, But there

496
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Speaker 4: was nothing else going on at the time. Not trying

497
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Speaker 4: to find this timing when she did the video, So

498
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Speaker 4: everybody looking around angry, mad beater her, trying to figure out,

499
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Speaker 4: don't know what's going on in their world, so they're

500
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Speaker 4: looking for something to burn down, and she just happened

501
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Speaker 4: to be the victim.

502
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Speaker 1: And her audience is black women for the most part.

503
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Speaker 2: So you got people that are going like that have

504
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: been laid off, You got people that have been affected

505
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 2: that I mentally are struggling through like all this like

506
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: targeting that is happening specifically to them.

507
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Speaker 1: Especially in the government.

508
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: Like it's more of a to me, it's more of

509
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: a like I can see how this would go wrong thing. Yes,

510
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: Like if she showed me the video first and was like,

511
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Speaker 2: I'm about to post this, I'd be like, maybe not today,

512
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying I see saying be more

513
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: like like yes, obviously, like because two things are happening,

514
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Speaker 2: Like I agree with you, Cassandra, and that this is

515
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: very predictable that people would be mad. This is very like, yes,

516
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: this is not a like, this is not a one

517
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Speaker 2: dag like that. Like I immediately saw the videos, like

518
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Speaker 2: I see how people got there, but also at the

519
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: same time, uh, I feel like that.

520
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Speaker 1: Message isn't wrong.

521
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: It's just if she would have put the message out

522
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: six months ago, maybe you don't get as much.

523
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Speaker 1: Of a pushback.

524
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Speaker 4: People would have still been.

525
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Speaker 2: But six months in the future, maybe people don't give

526
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: as much pushback. So I think, yeah, but I think

527
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: the most important thing. Yeah, but I think the most

528
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 2: consistent thing on all this is that there is a

529
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: culture of anger, and that whether she says that or not,

530
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: that anger will be there tomorrow and the next day

531
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Speaker 2: and the next day, and we're just getting angrier and

532
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: angrier and looking for more fuel, which I think, you know,

533
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: can be scary as a content creator sometimes, you know,

534
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: I'm not that scared at this point, but at this

535
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: but it just in general, like being a podcaster, being

536
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: a person that gives your public opinion, that has guessed

537
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: on and you're talking about things, do you ever think

538
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: about like the pushback, the timing, because you know, I

539
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: could also see you know, once again, I'm not assuming

540
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 2: tap of the ma anything negative. I'm right, just like

541
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: she she may not have seen this coming because she

542
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: don't really be on the internet with us commenting all

543
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: the time, So maybe.

544
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Speaker 3: She might have a separate life, and that'ssary.

545
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: She might have posted that when about her day popped

546
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: up and was like, oh, you know, everything is on fire,

547
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: but so like, do you ever.

548
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: Worry about that putting out your own content? Yeah, for sure.

549
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: I always I my like on social media.

550
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 5: I don't have like a huge following, but because I

551
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: care deeply about the people that I'm serving, and well,

552
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 5: I understand people what they're going through, you know what

553
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: I mean. I may not be experiencing the same exact

554
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 5: thing right now, but either A I've been there or

555
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: B I'm just I'm doing a lot of social.

556
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: Listening to see what are the gripes and things.

557
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 5: And if I talk about this in this way, am

558
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 5: I pouring salt on an open wound?

559
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: Like that's really important?

560
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: Especially when I talk about I talk about wellness, right,

561
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 5: And I really wanted to be a positive not like

562
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 5: toxically positive, but I want you to leave my podcast

563
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 5: feeling a little bit better about your day, or about

564
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 5: yourself or about your situation. So I ask myself several times,

565
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 5: like is this content going to serve any of those purposes?

566
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: And if not, I don't need to post that. I

567
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 5: need to talk about it, you know. So maybe I

568
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 5: think I'm also an overthinker. Maybe I think too much

569
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: about that. But do you Yeah, that's what I'm at

570
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 5: right now.

571
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 4: Do you feel like maybe it's just me? Do you

572
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: feel like sometimes that could be very restrictive because one

573
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: thing about being creative, A part of being creative is

574
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: just going wherever you go, wherever you go, like there's

575
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 4: no rules, there's no roles. You're just like I'm stretching

576
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: out there, and sometimes the audience don't know what they

577
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: want until they hear it. Like sometimes the audience thinks

578
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: they know what they want, but sometimes they get something

579
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: and they'll be like, I didn't know I need this,

580
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: So I didn't know I wanted this. So a lot

581
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: of times, maybe just me, when people put restrictions on

582
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: should I say this? Should I say that? Sometimes that's

583
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: hard because you want you don't want to make people mad,

584
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: but you also want to be true to yourself.

585
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, for sure, I agree with you one

586
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 5: thousand percent.

587
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: I do.

588
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 5: And I also feel that I think me as a

589
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: person just outside of you know, creating content. That's how

590
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 5: I like, let's just say me and you got into

591
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 5: a disagreement, I'm gonna.

592
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: Be quiet for so long.

593
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 5: Processing like trying to see from your perspective how I

594
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: could have messed up or whatever before I say anything,

595
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 5: because what else I say it is already out there,

596
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 5: you know. So I think just as a person, I

597
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 5: take a lot of care with what I say. So, yes,

598
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: it can be restrictive, but I'm ninety nine point nine

599
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 5: percent of the time I'm happy that I didn't say

600
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: or I didn't act on what I was feeling like

601
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: in that moment, you know. But yeah, but it is.

602
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: It is kind of restrictive, But that's me as a person.

603
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

604
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: With me, I'm also a huge overthinker, and I can

605
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: get suffered from like paralysis of analysis where it's like

606
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm thinking. Like for me, the last couple of years,

607
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: I started, I got a physical trainer, start going to

608
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the gym and doing all like learning how to lift

609
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: weights and stuff, stuff I hadn't done since high school.

610
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: And but one of the reasons I hadn't done it

611
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: since high school is because I was literally over and

612
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: everything I was overthinking. It was definitely anxiety talking. I

613
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: would be like, I'm gonna go in there, I'm not

614
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: gonna know how.

615
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: To do the gym stuff. They're gonna look at me.

616
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking about like stuff you see on

617
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: social media and like yeah, right, means of people that

618
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: are like doing lifting the weights wrong and people are like,

619
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: look at.

620
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: This guy, He's doing the machine backwards, and I'm like,

621
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: I look like he was doing it right to me.

622
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like I went, you know, much

623
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: like we talk about getting a therapist, you're going to

624
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: a doctor. I got a trainer, you know, I got nutritionist,

625
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: So like I had some people that had expertise and

626
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that they were teaching me was

627
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: giving me like confidence and uh and literal knowledge and

628
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: know how. Now, like I'll never walk in the gym

629
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: again and not know how to do something, you know

630
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like like I might not know I

631
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: do everything, but I'll never have to be like, man,

632
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: I can't go in that gym.

633
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start.

634
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: And I think that's like a big part of like, uh,

635
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: the journey is getting people along the way that can

636
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: help because we we we substituted a lot of social

637
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: media for real life interactions with people. And it's not

638
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: that social media can't be positive. I mean, I've had

639
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: so many positive interactions with people's social media, but there

640
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: is a difference between like you said, your friend who's like, now, Cassandra,

641
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: don't yeah, don't put that don't put that video out

642
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: telling people go get a job, because this ain't the time,

643
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

644
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Like maybe Tam could have used that, you know what

645
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean.

646
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like, uh, I feel like that's something that

647
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: we're missing, is that level of connection in real life

648
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: that like can kind of hedge off a lot of

649
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: this stuff at the past.

650
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. I agree.

651
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 5: The internet, like you said, is a great place, but

652
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 5: nothing really beats in person community.

653
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's so important.

654
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: I feel like, also, we don't know how to have

655
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 5: healthy conflict too, like because people could have come online

656
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 5: and said, you know, I don't agree with but with

657
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 5: how tap said whatever in a respectful manner, and people

658
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: just got ugly. That's the hardest part.

659
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: That's that one quick thing in fact you care.

660
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: That's one of the hardest things for people to understand

661
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: when we're mad at somebody is that that person is

662
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: still a person.

663
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: And so what makes it through the wall of like.

664
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: Tabitha Brown's mind is probably gonna be the more disrespectful,

665
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: heated comments because she's human too, She's like nine hundred

666
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: people could be like this, ain't it? And then one

667
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: person is like calling her slurs and names that one

668
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: person because because if you've been on any long enough,

669
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: been on both sides of that for some reason, that's

670
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: the people that get you. And then that becomes everybody

671
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: like your brain is like everyone's attacking me.

672
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: They all want to destroy me.

673
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: So it's once again, the medium of social media doesn't

674
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: really foster healthy conversations as much as we as much

675
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: as it was pitched as like fifteen years ago they

676
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: was lying to it. They were like, everyone's gonna be friends,

677
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: and you can meet someone from aross the world and

678
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: it's gonna be And now we're just like you log

679
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: on and you feel like Troy with the piece of

680
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: box on community and everything's on fire and you're like, oh,

681
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna back out. So I think that's a

682
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: part that is forgotten a lot of times, is that

683
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: like while me, you and Karen, if we were talking

684
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: to tab, we'd be extremely respectful and be like, hey,

685
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: it's a little bad time in there, right if you

686
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: happen this, Sometimes somebody the ones that gonna hit her

687
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: gonna be the ones that are probably the most like

688
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: and with the most animosity. So it's already gonna create

689
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: a disconnect where we're not having a conversation between reasonable people,

690
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna have extreme conversation.

691
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: Now, she's a.

692
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: Veteran of the Internet, more than likely she's smart enough

693
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: not to hop on in the throes of like defensiveness,

694
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: which is what a lot of amateur Internet people do,

695
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: like you know, and I say that as a person

696
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: that's done that, like that first time, when you get

697
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: that hot flash, you're like, ooh, you ain't gonna talk

698
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: and you be out there saying stuff that's making it

699
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: way worse. She probably won't escalate the situations because she's

700
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: been in the eye of the storm a few times

701
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: at this point.

702
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: But that's how it happens, where it spirals in the

703
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: worst and worst results. Karen, I'm sorry, Guhuad.

704
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

705
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: And also, I think my thing is to kind of

706
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: piggyback on what you're doing, because everybody is a human being,

707
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: unless it's a robot. Everybody's projecting. The people that are

708
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: attacking are projecting wounds that how would she know that

709
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: this is your wound. How would she know you.

710
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: Lost your job?

711
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: Like, how would she know that you're being impacted by

712
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 4: this because she doesn't personally know.

713
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: You, you know.

714
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: And also she's projecting, you know, like she's seeing things

715
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: and she's saying things based off of interactions that she

716
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: may have had. And so when you have two people projecting,

717
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: that's when like fright to say you need to get

718
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: to the nuance and actually have a realistic conversation. But

719
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: this platform is not designed for that. It's Oh, I

720
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: don't one hundred percent agree with you, So because I

721
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 4: don't want hundred percent agree with you, I must attack you,

722
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: and I must attack you like it is a personal attack.

723
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 4: It's one of these things where I had to realize

724
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 4: on the Internet, there's nothing more being angry, but the

725
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: situation has got to equal out the offense. And the

726
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: reason why I said is because if something happened and

727
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 4: something is a two, it need to be treated like

728
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: a two. If something is a one, my response shouldn't

729
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: be a tend like like like like, And I think

730
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 4: the problem we put have that balance and and and

731
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: so for me on the internet, a lot of times

732
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: I'm not on the internet as much as I used

733
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 4: to be because for me, maybe because I'm old, i'man like,

734
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: bitch you and say that to my motherfucking face, What

735
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: the fuck are we doing here? That's the truth, right like,

736
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: And so I would instantly get mad and cuss you

737
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: out because I was like, if I could put hands

738
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: on you, you went and talking to me crazy, what

739
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: are we doing here? I said, Oh, Karen, this ain't

740
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 4: the place for you. Get your ass off of here

741
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: and gone outside and play a video game or work

742
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: out or some shit.

743
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: I think also like, uh yeah, that that escalation because

744
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: it flattens our It flattens our communication, meaning it's zero

745
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: or ten. As you said, there's very few like in betweens,

746
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: and so like we've kind of lost in the language

747
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: of the internet.

748
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: We've lost the I row yes, just simple.

749
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: Just yeah, just the like like like that was annoying,

750
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: not the end of the world.

751
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: Not gonna bring it up every time I see.

752
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: But it's not gonna stop the world, right yeah.

753
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: Like I've had I've really fought hard to return back

754
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: to just my like okay and just move on, like

755
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: to have that because I don't, you know, like I

756
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: don't want to constantly be angry and all that stuff.

757
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: And then the other thing too, is when you're creating

758
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: content all the time, you're gonna have some off days.

759
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: It just is like you're gonna have a couple, You're

760
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: gonna have some days. One of the reasons on this

761
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: show we don't do relationship advice. Everybody's like, y'all should

762
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: do a relationship advice. You've been married since y'all were kids.

763
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: Y'all known each other since y'all was you know, sixteen, y'all,

764
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: Oh you just you know, we just celebrated our twenty

765
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: third wedding. Adversary, give some advice, Give some advice, and

766
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: I'll be like, no, I don't.

767
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: Know you, and I only know how to little Roderick.

768
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: But most importantly, people take shit so personal. I don't like,

769
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: I truly do not care, and it don't.

770
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: Mean to be a meet.

771
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be me, but that's y'all relationship.

772
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: I want y'all to be happy, But like, I can't

773
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: possibly know everything. You right in with advice, Hey what

774
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: about this? You left something out? You didn't you know

775
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: the other person They gonna read the same email you

776
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: sent me and be like, uh uh that ain't what happened, Like,

777
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can only tell you a scenario.

778
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: In this scenario, I'm really projecting. And I realized years

779
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: ago that almost all advice on the internet, especially, it's

780
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: just advice we give ourselves. Right, Yes, what Tabitha Brown

781
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: was really doing is talking to a young Tabitha Brown

782
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: that was like, I'm about to give up on this entrepreneurship.

783
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I always make this joke, but it's

784
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: true in my opinion. One of those tweets that start

785
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: with I don't know who need to hear this, it's you.

786
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: It's just affirmation.

787
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: You're affirming yourself. I don't know who need to hear this,

788
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: but don't give up today. You still gonna make it.

789
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, you needed to hear that from yourself, and

790
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: that's nothing wrong with that. You Now you did it

791
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: right on the internet and you involved the rest of us.

792
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: But still that's that's it's really it's anyway. That's how

793
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: I try to look at it so that I'm not

794
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: like constantly absorbing peoples shit.

795
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, why are you telling me what to do?

796
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're probably really telling yourself what to do,

797
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: and you and you acted like you're telling me, but

798
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: that's part of you know, that's part of what's happening there.

799
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: How do you go about getting guests for your topics

800
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: and coming up with topics? Because I noticed there's like

801
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: a different topic every episode, different guests every episode, Like,

802
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 2: is that something you're coordinating yourself? Are you just coming

803
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: up with these ideas on your own? Are you out

804
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: looking for people?

805
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 5: I hate to say it, but I'm on the internet

806
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 5: a lot, like I'm scroll them. So if I find

807
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 5: somebody who's talking about something that is interesting or i mean,

808
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 5: at this point it's five years and I'm starting to

809
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 5: like feel like, Okay, I don't talked about all the

810
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 5: wellness things, but if you have like a different perspective

811
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 5: or a different whatever, I'm in your your inbox. I'm

812
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 5: finding an email like and inviting you onto the show.

813
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 5: And also, I've been talking to a lot of authors,

814
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 5: so I have relationships with publishing companies. So if somebody

815
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 5: has a book coming up, they'll reach out to me.

816
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 5: If the book is aligned with my audience and what

817
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 5: we talk about. Yeah, I love to because I'm a

818
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: reader to begin with. Then yeah, I feel like authors

819
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 5: also have a lot to say about whatever they're talking about.

820
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: So it's that's where I've been. Yeah, but I live

821
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: on the internet.

822
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: How do you how do you feelter that? Because with

823
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: the internet it is an eenie meeni miney mode. You

824
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: don't know what you're going just because somebody's sound like

825
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: they got some comments. Don't want to don't mean not

826
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: gonna have common sense when you press play a deep.

827
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: A deep dive.

828
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm so nosy, Like if I become

829
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 5: in interested in you, I'm gonna find out about you.

830
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 5: I will if you be on the internet for seven years,

831
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get down to year one revolution and all

832
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 5: of those things. Yeah, And then there's some situations too

833
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 5: where if we have somebody in comment, I might just

834
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 5: ask the person that we have in common, like, oh,

835
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 5: what they are? How are they in terms of like

836
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 5: being on like being like the center of attention and.

837
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: A podcast and things like that. So do a little

838
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: bit of betting.

839
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 5: And there's also times where what I thought I was

840
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: gonna get I didn't get, but say the game.

841
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's part of the process. Yeah, because like

842
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 4: you said, just the you know, the internet has changed

843
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: over the years and so many people are about brands

844
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: now versus being kind of sincere about who they are.

845
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: So that's why I asked you that question, because we've

846
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 4: had guests over the years that we would not have

847
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: on now because, like you say, you realize like time

848
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: will tell like if people are unstable, like you know

849
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: when things like that, or if they talk a good

850
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: game but they're not really trying to present that reality

851
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: in life.

852
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: I think Another thing for me is like I remember

853
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: when I first learned about like narcissism and like the

854
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: definition of it, the traits and all that stuff for

855
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: mental health stuff, and I was like, man, everything in

856
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: the like these are things that narcissists do is also

857
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: things that make people really good at the Internet. It

858
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: doesn't mean everyone who's really good at the Internet as

859
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: a narcissist, but you know, like the idea of like shunning,

860
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: the idea of blocking people, the idea of getting like

861
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: your flying monkeys to attack people, and so like, once

862
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: I thought about that, I was like, man, maybe you

863
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: know because we used to just have people on the podcast.

864
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: We'd be like, oh, this person got a million followers

865
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: to get them.

866
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: On shows, And it's like I don't think that person

867
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: is a good person.

868
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: I think we should not have had them on the shelf.

869
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: They're just really good at the Internet.

870
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: But they might be really good at the Internet because

871
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: they're already kind of like prone to Internet behavior that

872
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: would later become like more pronown.

873
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 1: Yes, and as you brought up, like going back.

874
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: To year one on people, it is wild because you

875
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: can watch people evolve into completely different people.

876
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 1: You started out on.

877
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: This, and then you became this and then and I

878
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: think now is especially in light of our current administration

879
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: and the people in charge of the country. You're singing

880
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: like people go back and forth into different brands. Like

881
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: it was cool as hell to be an activist like

882
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: five years ago, like five eight years ago.

883
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: Everybody was active. Put it in the bio. I'm an

884
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: active du I'm out here, I'm activating nothing.

885
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

886
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, five years ago you was getting a bag for

887
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 5: being an.

888
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: Activist, a big bag.

889
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: Maybe.

890
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: Yes, it was an activist economy.

891
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 4: You were getting put on all the TV shows, all

892
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: the radio shows. You was a guess spot, oh somebody something.

893
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: But now that that economy is kind of dried up, right,

894
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: they don't want to be They don't want people on

895
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: the rate on the news. They don't want to give

896
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: you your radio show. You didn't want you to write

897
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: the book.

898
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: No Obama left, and I tell I was we was

899
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: talking about they when Obama left. I said, when Obama left,

900
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: they're gonna be like, why we need all these black people.

901
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: We ain't got no black president.

902
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Well that's you had. You had some of that, but

903
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: also like you.

904
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 2: Had after George Floyd, you had another resurgence of that's true.

905
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: A lot of people getting jobs and bags and stuff

906
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: off of it. And once again, I'm not knocking people

907
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: forgetting those bags.

908
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: I just can't.

909
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: I always have to reemphasize this point every single time

910
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: this comes up.

911
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: We weren't asking for jobs.

912
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 3: Dude, you want you to stop killing us and treat us.

913
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 4: Right.

914
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like right, like companies being like we heard you,

915
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: here's stipend for people going to college. It's like, not

916
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: necessarily the same thing will take it, but yeah, it's

917
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: drying up now, right, Like even speaking of tabath around Target,

918
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: like watching Target essentially be like.

919
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: We're turning the facet off for blackness and paying the

920
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: cost for it.

921
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 4: Paying.

922
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but seeing that happen, I think it does it

923
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: changes people's brands, And I think you're so smart to

924
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: research the people because I feel like you can see

925
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: that in a lot of people's arc of like this

926
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: was in at this point, so I was over here

927
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: and this was in and I was over here. And

928
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: it helps, I think also to have like good questions

929
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: to ask people. It helps, you know, to be able

930
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: to like see where the expertise lies. But yeah, sometimes

931
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: the best thing it helps with is to know not

932
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: to have a guest on the show, to be like.

933
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 4: Not you yeah, yeah, yeah.

934
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 5: And there's been episodes that just have never seen light

935
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 5: of day because the conversation was just not helpful to

936
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 5: the audience or it just yeah. So I'm just like, well,

937
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 5: we'll just shelf that.

938
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: That's tough.

939
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: That's tough when you record an episode and you'd be like,

940
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: I can't put this out.

941
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you How do you deal with people

942
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: who come in with like bad quality sound and things

943
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 4: like that, because sometimes these people are professionals, so they

944
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: might not have them stay and I have all the

945
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: setups and things like that, because I think one time

946
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: we try to have a guest, don't and the sound

947
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: was so bad. I was like, we can't do this.

948
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 4: We just can't because like people are gonna be listening

949
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: to this, you know, and they're not gonna want to

950
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 4: hear all the crackles, all the pops, all the echoing

951
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: that's happening right now.

952
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what I do is I send them like

953
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 5: a quick little little something about what they could use

954
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 5: if they if they don't have, you know, a mic

955
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 5: and stuff, just like the regular pluggin night that you

956
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 5: would plug into your iPhone.

957
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: Like that works great.

958
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 5: Like I give them like a little cheat sheet of

959
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 5: what to what to expect and what to have on hand.

960
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: If we get to recording and it still is not great,

961
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 5: I'm like, let's be flexible, you know, we can reschedule

962
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: for later or you know, because we wanted to like

963
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 5: really best like frame you in your expertise, right it's you. Yeah,

964
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 5: the audience can't hear what you got to say if

965
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 5: there's not crackling pop happening.

966
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: So let's reschedule.

967
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: You were talking about having authors and reading a lot.

968
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Have you written a book, Have you thought about writing

969
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: a book? You know, something like that.

970
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 5: I've been sitting on a book, like the book is

971
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 5: like outlined, but I have not revisited and I think

972
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: part of it is like I'm making excuses like I'm like,

973
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 5: I ain't got time, and I think I'm just scared.

974
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 5: So that is on that's on my to do list,

975
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: on my goal list, but as of right now, I

976
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 5: have I don't.

977
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: I also wonder, like, especially for books that are about

978
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: like black people, black women, stuff like that, I wonder

979
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: if this is a hard time to get published now

980
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: because there's such a backlash to it, Like it's not

981
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: even just a lack of interest. There's like a lot

982
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: of animosity towards this, like the idea. Are you experiencing

983
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: that also with the podcast?

984
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 5: Yes, so sad. Yes I'm laughing to keep from crying.

985
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 5: But I have seen a change in listener habits. I

986
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 5: have seen a change in sponsorship opportunities big time. This

987
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 5: year has been so dry, so sad, but yeah, there's

988
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 5: a huge change. And honestly, when I started writing the book,

989
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 5: it was middle of last year. I think it was

990
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 5: last summer that I really outlined there, started speaking to

991
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 5: agents and things, and then when I saw what happened,

992
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 5: I was like, let me just pause because I don't

993
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 5: like when DEI became like a dirty worry. I'm just

994
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 5: sor right, let me just because the book would absolutely

995
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 5: be targeted towards black women and black people, So yeah,

996
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 5: let me just hold off because I can't build any

997
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 5: more heartbreak.

998
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

999
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: No, it's very tough out there right now, and it's

1000
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: you know in ways that it's so needlessly like uh,

1001
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 2: once again, it would be different if it was almost

1002
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: like neutral, but there's like an anti movement.

1003
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, you, let's be neutral, which means you don't

1004
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: need one way or the other. You're like, we support

1005
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 4: it all, I'm fine with that. Then you just blatant, Well.

1006
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: This isn't the capitalism we were promised, right, Like, what

1007
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: we were promised was like, if you can make money

1008
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: doing it, no one cares, We'll just go ahead and

1009
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: do it right, And as bad as that can be

1010
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: for everybody, it was at least quote unquote equal, meaning like, look,

1011
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: we don't care if you're doing a racist book or

1012
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: inclusive book. Whatever makes us money, we gonna do it.

1013
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: And now it's like, actually, even if you can make money, yeah.

1014
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 4: We're willing to turn down dollars. And that's why I

1015
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 4: say racism and white supremacy is irrationally illogical. It will

1016
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: talk itself out of money. That's when I realized, Okay,

1017
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 4: this is a whole other level. It is a hell

1018
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: of a drug that I will never understand.

1019
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, nope, No, have you on.

1020
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 5: The irrational because I try to like make sense of

1021
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: that and I'm just saying I'm wasting my time because it.

1022
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: Does not make sense.

1023
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: That's why I don't. It goes okay, that's what it does,

1024
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: and you just go, okay, you just look at the patterns.

1025
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1026
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: Also, like have you felt or seen the effects post

1027
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: election on black women's mental health specifically, because I definitely

1028
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: feel like black women are are a target under this administration,

1029
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: not just policy wise, but like personally, like they like

1030
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: they are going out their black women like and maybe

1031
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: you know, I have like a soft spot because obviously,

1032
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 2: to me, black women back backbone on the Democratic Party,

1033
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: Black back backbone of the resistance to Trump, backbone of

1034
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: the resistance to UH conservatism in America. And so like

1035
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: like Muriel Bowser, I think who's the mayor of d C.

1036
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the mayor of DC.

1037
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 2: She's going through it right now, like because DC basically

1038
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: don't have rights as a city, Like if what the

1039
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: federal government decides they can do there, which is why

1040
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: they keep doing stuff there is you really don't have

1041
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: a pushback. You can go do a press conference and

1042
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: say you don't like it, but it won't change anything, right,

1043
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: And so she's in a tough situation where and I

1044
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: see people they're like mad at her because like you're capitulating,

1045
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: your cooperating and sometimes you know, I think the city's

1046
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 2: actually suing the federal government, but it doesn't really matter

1047
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: because she don't really got power to do it. And

1048
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: I to me, I I can't help but have some

1049
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: level of like empathy for what she's going through because

1050
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: I think it's just she's a black woman in the

1051
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: most controllable city in America in the most racist administration,

1052
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: Like they're trying to make an example of her, and no,

1053
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: there's no way, there's no good way out that doesn't

1054
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: lead to the people of DC suffering, even if it's

1055
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: for her own ego. Like she could be like, I

1056
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: ain't with the shit f this administration. Y'all ain't gonna

1057
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: do me like this, and then they'll just keep cracking

1058
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: now hard. So I don't even know, like I don't

1059
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: know there does at anyway it must have some effect

1060
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: on black women's mental health right now in this moment.

1061
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1062
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 5: You know, people say that they're not into politics, but

1063
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 5: politics affects policy. Policy affects your everyday life, you know.

1064
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 5: So if the policy is that now DEI is a

1065
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 5: dirty word, and now there's no funding being allocated to

1066
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 5: things that did fund quote DEI initiatives, everybody's suffering. Right So, Now,

1067
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 5: if you lose your job, let's say, and in this

1068
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 5: current economy, this current job market, if you can't meet

1069
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 5: your basic daily things like if you can't pay your rent,

1070
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 5: your mortgage, if you can't, you know, it's back to

1071
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 5: school time. Get your babies seeing what they need to

1072
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 5: get back to school, Like that's going to add an

1073
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 5: added load of stress, you know. So and on top

1074
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 5: of just dealing with the things that unfortunately we're used

1075
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 5: to dealing with, the black people having all of that

1076
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 5: on top of it, we're going through it collectively, you know,

1077
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 5: and even for those of us who are outside of

1078
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 5: DC or now Chicago, just watching and knowing what we

1079
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 5: know about how this country does things.

1080
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Hello, Like.

1081
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's and it was wow.

1082
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: When you were talking about people saw about they're not

1083
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: into politics and what's wold to go. When you get

1084
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 4: the driver's license in your state and you drive, you're

1085
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: into it because guess what, your state determines your speed,

1086
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 4: Your state determines how you get your license, if you

1087
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: buy a house, if you ride the bus, if you

1088
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: do anything within the jurisdiction of your county. Somebody, someone

1089
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 4: has made an executive decision with the without your input

1090
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 4: on what you do.

1091
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: So you might as well.

1092
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: Put five owner and be like, these are the things

1093
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: that I want. That's right, that's right.

1094
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 5: I live in Charlotte, and Charlotte is a blue city

1095
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 5: and a sea of red, and because we voted so

1096
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 5: blue this past election, they were trying to withhold I figure,

1097
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 5: I think it was maybe one billion dollars from the

1098
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 5: school system.

1099
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: My kids go to public school.

1100
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 5: And even if my kids did not go to public school,

1101
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 5: the kids need what they need to learn, you know

1102
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 5: what I mean, So like it impacts us.

1103
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: Yes, we are in Charlotte too, and it's the same

1104
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: thing as Yes, it's the same that we actually just

1105
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: early voted in our like the Democratic primary. I yes, yeah,

1106
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: And I was like, first of all, less than a

1107
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: thousand people at the time we're voted, have voted, yea,

1108
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: like right now your vote.

1109
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: Count like twenty times.

1110
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: More like like the big was so happy to see us.

1111
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: They were probably like we ain't see nobody in three.

1112
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: Hours we go.

1113
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 3: It was just me and him in now with everybody's attention.

1114
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: And then Charlotte, especially because it is so blue. This

1115
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: really is your only say, like this moment right here

1116
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: of picking your like city council members and stuff, because

1117
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: once it gets to the general, the Democratic people are

1118
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: going to win. Like there it's not like except for

1119
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: the Meyers Park area, we won't get on them. But

1120
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: other than them, the Democrats are going and maybe even

1121
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: Meyers Park because I think Tarik McCarry was winning that

1122
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: sweet by like five hundred votes, not.

1123
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: By a lot, so like now he ain't running for it.

1124
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: He joined the Trump administration.

1125
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: Want to come back home, but he can't run and.

1126
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: It don't know, we don't know if his wife can win.

1127
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 2: And see, so my point is, like, imagine you in

1128
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: the Meyers Park area. You've been a Democrat. Y'all been

1129
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: losing this whole time. You get to the primary, this

1130
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: is your chance to pick the person that might beat

1131
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: the Republican for the first time in like fifteen years.

1132
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: Your ass should be voting right now. This is this

1133
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: is your time. So and it is hard for people

1134
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: to see.

1135
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: I think it's hard for people to see that as

1136
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: progress or resistance sometimes, but like that is resistance, that

1137
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: is progress because a lot of times that's who you're

1138
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 2: gonna be fighting against. If let's say you're an activist,

1139
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: who do I want deciding when the police.

1140
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: Cracked down on the street, right?

1141
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: Do I want it to be the dude that's like,

1142
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: we need to get police more guns and weapons. Or

1143
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 2: do I want to be the person that's like police

1144
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: need to be community policing and getting to know v

1145
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: Let me fight against that person I want. I want

1146
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: to play the game on easy.

1147
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to play the game on all hard,

1148
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: all maden whatever.

1149
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 2: How'd you come up with the title of the podcast?

1150
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: You el says, I wanted to be direct.

1151
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 5: I went it to like be like there's no guessing

1152
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 5: what's this podcast about? You know, like I want you

1153
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 5: to be well and I'm talking to my sists. And

1154
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 5: at the time, sis was really just between black women.

1155
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: Now since has been like.

1156
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 5: I don't know how I feel about that, but a

1157
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 5: little bit like the title. Yeah, yeah, so I felt

1158
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 5: like be well Says was kind of like an affirmation.

1159
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: It was kind of like a call to action and

1160
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: all of those things.

1161
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: That's cool, Like you, I feel like that that. I

1162
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: like the title. I feel like it works on like merch.

1163
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: I actually, I actually think even with the Internet trying

1164
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: to steal black people speak, even even then, I still

1165
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: like feel like when I saw the title the podcast,

1166
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: I was like, I know this for black women, not

1167
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: it Like, even even after all that, I wasn't like,

1168
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, this could be one of those millennial

1169
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: I was like.

1170
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: No, this is for sisters. I like.

1171
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: I like, And I think it's such a smart title

1172
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: because it's the kind of thing where you don't have.

1173
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: To say it, but it's understood.

1174
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: And I think that's like, I don't know, I feel

1175
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: like right now we're so going back to just community

1176
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: and like in talk to each other and getting ourselves

1177
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: through things. And I feel like this is a podcast

1178
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: of the time. Even though I know you're about to

1179
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: get on a million downloads, you've been doing this for years,

1180
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: but you know, sometimes you can be grinding for years

1181
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: and it really it don't be your time until it's

1182
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: your time. I feel like this is a time for Like,

1183
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: I know a lot of black women, especially are like,

1184
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: how do we be in community and support of each other?

1185
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: What can I find spaces specifically for me? And I

1186
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: feel like your podcast is given that.

1187
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's one of those things. But I appreciate this.

1188
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 4: It's sad, but it takes struggle and hard times and

1189
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 4: ain't we lucky we got it before Black people realize

1190
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: that they some black people are like, they need other

1191
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 4: black people and they can't do this alone, you know,

1192
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 4: because you know, some people they think that money or

1193
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 4: status or education almost separates them out of the community.

1194
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 4: And what they better realize is that we all need

1195
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 4: each other. And at the end of the day, they

1196
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 4: look at you just like they look at me. And

1197
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 4: so I appreciate for the first time, depending on what

1198
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: generation you were raised uff in and you know, we

1199
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 4: have kind of adapted a lot of the white supremacy

1200
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 4: part of individualization because Black people used to be very

1201
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 4: very heavy into community into helping and raising and looking

1202
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: out for each other. And as the years is going on,

1203
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: which I understand because is one of the things where

1204
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 4: we want the best schools the best education. So we

1205
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 4: start moving outside if you could afford to, which means

1206
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 4: you left people who couldn't in these areas. But the

1207
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: downside of that is the community was broken. And as

1208
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: people got older and as like I said before, me

1209
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: and my dad and Paul, Paul dad, all these people

1210
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: who were enslaved begin to die, a lot of their

1211
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 4: children kind of separated out and kind of separated out.

1212
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 4: And so for me, I appreciate us coming back together.

1213
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 4: And people are going to start looking for avenues of

1214
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: community that they never thought that they knew, you know,

1215
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 4: I needed. I'm sorry they never thought that they needed.

1216
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 4: So for the first time, somebody gonna be like, Okay,

1217
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 4: I feel alone, I've lost my job, or you know,

1218
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 4: I want to get closer to my sisters or whatever

1219
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 4: to relate to blackness.

1220
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: That's definitely true, and I think it's a big reflection

1221
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: on society in general. Like we're talking about black people

1222
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: because we're black and we know our culture, but it's

1223
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: it's actually like everybody, Yes, like everybody has become more individualized,

1224
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: especially after the pandemic, because so many of us went

1225
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: to the internet.

1226
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: Because we have a choice. I'm not knocking that we

1227
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: should have done that.

1228
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: Like, don't get me wrong, but it's hard to bring

1229
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: everyone back together from before because now you know, I

1230
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,479
Speaker 2: bring this up all the time with work from home.

1231
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: Work from home is dope, right is.

1232
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: There's some benefits to work from home that are like awesome,

1233
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's definitely something.

1234
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: It's definitely an.

1235
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: Option or like a quick you know, a quiver you

1236
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: want to have in your quill or whatever. But the

1237
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: consequence of work from home has also been like less community, Nope,

1238
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: no more interaction face to phase right, less third spaces

1239
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: because third space because just you know, work is a

1240
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: work space, home is a home space. Now your home

1241
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: is kind of work, your work is kind of home.

1242
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: You're kind of never leaving work, yes, you know what

1243
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: I mean. And then and then like when you're out

1244
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: with other people, like you know that third space where

1245
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: there be like a gym, where there be a park,

1246
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: where there be the mall, a bar. You So, if

1247
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: I'm at work and I take a liking to somebody

1248
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: like oh man, this dude will he's cool. What's the

1249
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: next thing we're gonna do? Hang out a place that's

1250
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: not my home and not work? Yeah, So place like

1251
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: we so we've kind of lost some social connection and

1252
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: I do wonder if, yeah, we're gonna be forced into

1253
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: and I mean this in a hopefully as a positive

1254
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: to force into finding some connections with people again. Like

1255
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: to me, I know, going the gym has been big

1256
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: for me to and it's not even that I be

1257
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: in there.

1258
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a social butterfly, y'all know, I'm an.

1259
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: Introvert to Roger put them handphones on going to town.

1260
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: But like I noticed, I noticed the last few times

1261
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: I've gone, there's people that like speak to me. Now

1262
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: we've never had a conversation, but they like stop and

1263
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 2: speak and wave and they treat me just because we've

1264
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: seen each other's facy enough. And it's a little thing, but.

1265
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we need that shit you do.

1266
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 5: No for sure, we're human, like we're we're supposed to

1267
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 5: be tribal people. We're community people. We work together, you know.

1268
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 5: And one I'm also an introvert. So one thing that

1269
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 5: I challenged myself since last year was to get to

1270
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 5: know all the people on my block. I've been on

1271
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 5: this block for cut up on six years, wow, and

1272
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 5: I just now know the names of everybody. I'll know

1273
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 5: your face and I know your baby's face, but I

1274
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 5: don't know the names until this year.

1275
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm just like this, like I had to do better.

1276
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 5: So just like the lit things like does your immediate

1277
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 5: environment to start, because I think a lot of people

1278
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 5: don't know their neighbors and things like that and places.

1279
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what you're making me think? It's this

1280
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 4: ups man. And whenever me and Roger we would go

1281
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 4: out and do something, I don't know if it was

1282
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 4: the timing on if he was coming in and coming out,

1283
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 4: he would always speak to us. And so one day

1284
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 4: we were coming in and he was going up the

1285
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 4: stit yes, oh yeah, I got you. Was talking about

1286
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 4: just a regular ups I don't know no ups no, no, yeah,

1287
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 4: he is a ups man.

1288
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: The neighbor.

1289
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: He always wearing that shirt I got you.

1290
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm with you, And so he would always

1291
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: catch us.

1292
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 4: And because I'm the extrovert, I was I speak to anybody,

1293
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: waved anybody, So I'm like, hey, how you doing.

1294
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: I just want to make myself be known type of thing.

1295
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 4: And to an extent, it's the defense mechanism that you know,

1296
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 4: A I don't mean you no harm.

1297
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: And so we were going out.

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 3: He was coming up.

1299
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 4: He's like, Oh, hey, how y'all doing. I haven't seen

1300
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: y'all know whyle y'all must have changed up y'all routine

1301
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 4: I thought about. I was like, oh, yeah, it's not

1302
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 4: that funny. I know that's not a big thing. But

1303
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 4: if something happened with people federaliz or if it's an

1304
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 4: emergency and somebody knocks on your door, you might be like,

1305
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 4: they might be telling you the building on five.

1306
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: You don't know.

1307
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: I always say, uh, the nosy neighbor is actually extremely

1308
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: underrated because I watch a lot.

1309
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 5: I'm a neighbor. I know when they cass you get

1310
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 5: off the bus. If I don't see three fifteen, I

1311
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 5: don't see kids walking, I'm like.

1312
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh, like y'all out here doing y'all doing us as

1313
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: a service. Okay, a lot of people don't. They don't

1314
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: respect the nosy neighbors. They talk bad about the nosy neighbors.

1315
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: But I'm telling y'all, nosy neighbors are clutch because I

1316
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: watch a.

1317
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: Lot of true crime. Okay, I watch a lot of

1318
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: true crime.

1319
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: I watch it be on TV. Want to watch four

1320
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: my Man, Fatal Attraction payback. And the thing about them shows, man,

1321
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 2: they be struggling to solve the murder, but it always

1322
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: be somebody like, uh, now you know her kids don't

1323
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: get out of school till six. And I did see,

1324
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: uh she got a gentleman caller that becoming y everyone

1325
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: a while, and I saw him this morning hide in

1326
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: the bushes.

1327
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: You ain't heard it from.

1328
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 4: Me, and I'd be like, disappear.

1329
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: She solved the case, thank god, thank god she was

1330
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: picking out them bloods.

1331
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 4: And it'd be the anonymous person to to be giving

1332
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 4: them all a detail.

1333
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, averages, clutched dog, be nosy a little bit, y'all.

1334
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: You know, I'm very nosy.

1335
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 5: If I have my elderly neighbors, I don't see them

1336
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 5: on their walk. I'm like, hold on two days, what's

1337
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 5: going on?

1338
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 4: Okay?

1339
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: I did.

1340
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1341
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: I was doing something and one of the people in

1342
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: that community was like, oh, so you got a new car.

1343
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yes, yes, you see anybody else

1344
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: approached this vehicle.

1345
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: You know it's not them, It ain't there. I'm just saying,

1346
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: but I appreciate that, man, And that is the thing

1347
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: we used to have a lot too, because I think,

1348
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: especially before the Internet, like instead of scroll your phone,

1349
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: you might sell on your porch.

1350
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 5: You know.

1351
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely I remember being a kid in the neighborhood

1352
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: and being like, damn, this person gonna tell my parents

1353
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: they see me do some bullshit, like hope I can

1354
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: make it home before they pick up the phone.

1355
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 3: But they can make that phone call. I can explain myself.

1356
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know I'm not supposed to do. They

1357
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 2: know I'm not supposed to be over here, you know.

1358
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, that definitely feels like a thing. But hopefully

1359
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: I think that might come back. Like Karen, you brought

1360
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: up earlier you were like black because you were talking

1361
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: about black community. And I read a book ironically about

1362
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: DC called Black Broadway earlier this year, and one of

1363
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: the things about DC that's so interesting is that the

1364
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: reason that it's Chocolate City, which is so interesting because

1365
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: it's actually almost exactly even split between black, white, and

1366
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: then there's other but we view it as like that's

1367
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: the city where all the black people is because black

1368
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 2: people only suposed to be thirteen percent, but at any rate,

1369
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: one of the reasons they don't have a lot of

1370
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: like government rights federal like they haven't been considered like

1371
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: a place where you can vote first a lot of

1372
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: it because it was so many black people, and so

1373
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: under different PRESIDENTI or administrations, they've had different levels of pushback,

1374
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: but almost never have they been like, let's make this

1375
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: a state, let's make this, you know, and to push

1376
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: and even the self governance of the military being able

1377
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: to intervene and come into their city at any time

1378
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: or the president be able to take it over.

1379
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent because it's so many black.

1380
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: People there and they were just like scared that black

1381
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: people were there. But when they passed, I want to say,

1382
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: it's like maybe nineteen twenties or forties or something, but

1383
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: they had passed just like very strict segregation in like

1384
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Crow South and everything, but also DC

1385
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: was experiencing like segregation popped up on them, and all

1386
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden, He's knew with this broad base of

1387
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: black people here, many who had built themselves up from

1388
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: nothing because they had escaped slavery to come there, and

1389
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: then you start your business and you start, you know,

1390
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: you get your house, you buy your lane, you do whatever.

1391
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1392
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: They had done so much to get there, they had

1393
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: created community. They had created and because at that time

1394
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: it was like this refuge from the southern racism, you

1395
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: were able to be like, I have a black bank,

1396
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: but it services white customers black customers. I have a

1397
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: black grocery store, but everyone could come in. Right Once

1398
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: that segregation came through, it was like zero white people

1399
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: could do this. And in addition to that, your black

1400
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 2: ass can't go to this white bank.

1401
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: So like it.

1402
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: Made community out of survival, meaning there were black people

1403
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: who thought, even back then, individually, I have conquered racism.

1404
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: I own my own bank, I have white and black customers.

1405
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm hob nobbing in the social circles everywhere. I can

1406
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: do what I want to.

1407
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: We are the black rich people. And then bam, segregation.

1408
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: It was like, if you want your bank to survive,

1409
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: you actually have to have black customers. So those black

1410
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: customers used to frown on and deny you now have

1411
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: to deal with them.

1412
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: And same thing for the.

1413
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 2: Grocery store and all that. So it's ironic. It created community,

1414
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: meaning positive came out of that where we were like

1415
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: those people learned like, man, I can only rely on

1416
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 2: my own people. I gotta stop like worshiping at these

1417
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: white people's feet, and black people went like, you know what,

1418
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: I used to think, I don't want a black bank.

1419
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be bad in there. And it's like, no,

1420
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: they're professional black people that do professional bank work like

1421
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: any other body.

1422
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: Like anybody else.

1423
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: And I do wonder if this, even though it's not

1424
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: as blatant like as a you know, colors only section,

1425
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: but I do wonder if this is gonna push us

1426
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: in a way where people rely on each other and

1427
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: we can kind of break some of that individualization you

1428
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 2: were talking about that was starting to.

1429
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: Like creep back.

1430
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. And the thing is, it erodes the foundation of

1431
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 4: who we are. And I think people don't really realize

1432
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 4: that because people being bought here against your wheels, slavery

1433
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, we had to depend on each other.

1434
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 4: You know, when we first came here, the tribes, they

1435
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 4: didn't speak the same languages and all that stuff, but

1436
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 4: they everybody know that was getting the ass is whooped.

1437
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 4: So guess what, we better hold hands in kumbaya and

1438
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 4: work our way through this if we're going to survive.

1439
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: And I think that.

1440
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 4: That part as people fought and died, the burden has

1441
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: got lighter, and I think as you get generations that

1442
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 4: are bought up in lighter loads, sometimes they forget what

1443
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 4: people actually went through to get them to the point

1444
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 4: where it was easier for them. And I think because

1445
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 4: a lot of people they act like and they like

1446
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 4: to pretend like Jim Crow and Martin Luther King and

1447
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 4: MK and all these things. They act to act, they

1448
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 4: try to pretend like these things were hundreds of years

1449
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 4: ago they actually what they actually were not. And so

1450
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 4: because of that, just a lot of the younger generations

1451
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 4: like the distance themselves, and they act, they try to

1452
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 4: pretend like these things can't happen again.

1453
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: But you know me, well, I saw those lessons out

1454
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: of school and stuff that you don't even learn what

1455
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: did happen, So you don't recognize what's happening again.

1456
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: You don't some people right now are they don't even

1457
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: know this has happened before.

1458
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: You know what you know?

1459
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 4: And that's true and and something and me and you

1460
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 4: had talked about this a while ago, and it made

1461
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 4: me change my philosophy on how I thought. I used

1462
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 4: to really beat myself up for my lack of knowledge

1463
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 4: about African American history and black history but I had

1464
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 4: to realize the way I was raised and me going

1465
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 4: through the school system, there was some things that went

1466
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 4: taught because Rogers was like an ap classes, so he

1467
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 4: was taught like Tosa and I turned for.

1468
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they didn't teach that in them classes.

1469
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: That's not why I learned it. I learned that from

1470
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: my parents. And shit, okay, yeah, like uh, to some extent,

1471
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: that's the thing. We already know what we need to

1472
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: do as people, like, even though it sucks that they're

1473
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: trying to raise this history literally out of curriculums, uh

1474
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 2: and keep your kid from learning, the truth is they

1475
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: were always doing that, like they were always being like, listen,

1476
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 2: you got one month of black people. Here are the

1477
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: acceptable people you can write a report about.

1478
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: But a lot of stuff.

1479
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 2: That I learned was my parents buying before the Mayflower.

1480
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: What color was genius?

1481
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: I'ld take you.

1482
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 4: So your parents were very adamant and they were like,

1483
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 4: you will not lose its history.

1484
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 3: But it's when you have people.

1485
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 4: Who are even afraid to talk about slavery and they're

1486
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 4: black and there every time anything comes up, they panic

1487
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 4: and they freak because you make their kids feel bad.

1488
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 4: It's very hard to get that generation of people to

1489
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 4: teach their children something because the thing how I'm a victim?

1490
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: Why am I afraid? Why am I ashamed? I was

1491
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 4: a victim?

1492
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: Cassandra, how do you balance that, you know, being a

1493
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: mother yourself of a young child, Like, how do you

1494
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 2: balance when you bring those lessons in for a kid?

1495
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 2: Because I can imagine that's a struggle as a parent,

1496
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 2: because like it's like, hey, so the two fairies not real?

1497
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

1498
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's how it is in my house. I

1499
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 3: have two.

1500
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 5: My oldest is ten, he'll be eleven in November, and

1501
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 5: he's very observant and just so he's always asking questions,

1502
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 5: which is great, but also it means that I need

1503
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 5: to always like be looking up, going back to the

1504
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 5: history and all things like that.

1505
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 3: I'll actually say this before I answer that question.

1506
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago, right before school started, he

1507
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 5: was just like, why do we need history?

1508
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 3: And what history is?

1509
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 5: Such a way time, I said, hold on, we were

1510
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 5: in the grocery, so I said absolutely no. He sat

1511
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 5: me in my tracks. I'm like, history is so so important.

1512
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,879
Speaker 5: It's all important, but especially history, especially as black wook.

1513
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: In this country.

1514
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 5: We need to know what all led up to us

1515
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 5: being here in the conditions that we're in, good and

1516
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 5: bad right because it can always.

1517
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: Repeat itself, you know.

1518
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 5: And we're seeing a lot of things right now that's

1519
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 5: showing that it's repeating. So we need to know so

1520
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 5: we can identify when, oh, this has happened before, and

1521
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 5: how do we exist?

1522
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:01,440
Speaker 3: How do we overcome?

1523
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 5: Like you gotta know, and also when it comes to

1524
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 5: like learning about slavery and things like that. I I'm

1525
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 5: super like in this house and sometimes I feel like, oh,

1526
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 5: did I do too much?

1527
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: I say too much?

1528
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 5: But I know that they are going so hard in

1529
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 5: other households saying the opposite that.

1530
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 4: They are relentless about it. They are relentless and people

1531
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 4: talk about as older people die, it's gonna go away.

1532
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 4: We see it's not. So that means they are teaching

1533
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 4: their children this subconsciously, consciously and downright flat telling them,

1534
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 4: So why can't we be as adamant as they are?

1535
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 4: And so the thing the thing about your baby is

1536
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 4: like for me to an extent, I was similar to

1537
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 4: your baby.

1538
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: I was like, this shit is boring.

1539
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 4: The funk y'all talk about I don't care none aboudy

1540
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 4: these white folks in these wigs and shit. So for me,

1541
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 4: I tapped out of history because I was like, hey,

1542
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 4: y'all ain't talking about nothing, because they wouldn't talking about me, not.

1543
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 3: Trying to be funny. It's like I was stripped from it.

1544
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 4: So so why y'all got me about these white people?

1545
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 4: Find about some laying over in the front somewhere revolutionary.

1546
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 4: I don't care, not about none of this. And so

1547
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 4: for me, I understand your Fabor's perspective, like you have

1548
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 4: to teach children that we have always been here and

1549
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 4: we are a part of it, and actually we you

1550
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 4: should be invested because we are invested because you know,

1551
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 4: as an adult, I felt bad.

1552
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 3: But also you don't know what you know until you know.

1553
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 4: So a lot of things I learned as an adult,

1554
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 4: and I kind of felt bad, Like I said, in

1555
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 4: my perspective had changed. But Roger, like I said, had

1556
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 4: all this knowledge, and I'm like, well then why don't

1557
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 4: I know?

1558
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 3: But I didn't know because I also like.

1559
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: We're adults now, right, you can know if you would

1560
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: like to know, you know what I mean, like, pick

1561
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: up that book, read that thing. It's all this information

1562
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: is out there, You're gonna learn some stuff. I'm still

1563
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: constantly learning. Like that's that's how that's how wild racism

1564
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 2: and oppression is is that I've read so many things

1565
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 2: and that's still times like something blows my mind, you know,

1566
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: like once again reading that book about you see, there

1567
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 2: was like a section I think I read it on

1568
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 2: the show, but the unspoken like rules that I hadn't

1569
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 2: even known. Some of those I had assumed something, but

1570
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: it was.

1571
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: Like it was crazy shit like if you come to

1572
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:12,959
Speaker 1: a four.

1573
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 2: Way intersection, stop, we all got cars at that time,

1574
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 2: white people go first, regardless of the fucking rules of

1575
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: the road, which is crazy because that's definitely.

1576
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: Gonna lead to the rents.

1577
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: And or like something bad happened because of that because

1578
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 2: somebody was like, I'm white doing going through going through

1579
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: the section, and blacks, you guys better watch out.

1580
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: You guys know it's it's might turn all the time.

1581
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1582
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: It's it's stuff like that where you know it really

1583
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: you know, uh, if you address a white man or

1584
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: woman's mister or missus, if they address you, you could

1585
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: be a fucking doctor. It's I can they don't even

1586
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: have to say your first name right, So like stuff

1587
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: like that, definitely, you know, it's stuff I'm still learning,

1588
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 2: and so like now that we're adults, it's like go

1589
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: read that book, pass that knowledge on or at least

1590
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,879
Speaker 2: you no, no, because we always talk about history repeating itself,

1591
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 2: and a lot of times we talk about it in

1592
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: a bad way.

1593
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: Right, we're like.

1594
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, history repeating itself. But also resistance is history

1595
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 2: repeating itself? Yes it is, and a lot of times

1596
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 2: the keys to making it through are we already know them.

1597
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: They're in the books, like how did black people make

1598
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 2: it through DC? Going through oppressions, government suppression, not having

1599
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: the right to vote, economics like riots.

1600
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: All kinds of shit.

1601
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: Even, like I said, very ironic, I read the book

1602
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: this year, Like I would say that because even them

1603
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: putting the National Guard in DC, that's not new, that's

1604
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 2: not a new thing.

1605
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: Like they've done that before. They've deployed the military on

1606
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: DC before. Like it's just stuff, and not that.

1607
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: It's not that you're I'm accepting of these things, but

1608
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: it's just like a level of preparedness because you're like

1609
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: they did this before. Okay, I see they're already playing

1610
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: and the seeds for how they're going to do this

1611
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: so we can planting the seas on how to do things.

1612
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 2: What topics are you looking forward to diving into, you know,

1613
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 2: upcoming on.

1614
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: Your show.

1615
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 3: Right now.

1616
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 5: Because things are the way that they are and a

1617
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 5: lot of people are going through it, We're talking a

1618
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 5: lot about joy, how to cultivate that joy within us.

1619
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 5: What I'm really excited about towards the end of the year,

1620
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 5: I'm speaking to people who have either written about food

1621
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 5: and how our legacy is passed down through our food

1622
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 5: and things I love to eat, so hearing the story

1623
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 5: is about, you know, people that I just didn't know,

1624
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 5: or how certain dishes came to be you know, yeah,

1625
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 5: are as well. I'll be talking about so towards the

1626
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 5: end of the year, especially as we go into like

1627
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving and Christmas and things, it's all a lot about

1628
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 5: food and then just different joy practices too, because typically

1629
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 5: when everythink about wellness, we think about like you know,

1630
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 5: like the vacation, the manny petty things that cost right,

1631
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 5: and like we're looking for the joy outside of us.

1632
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 5: But we're really talking about how do we cultivate that

1633
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 5: joy within us, you know, without having to necessarily spend

1634
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 5: anything and how do we every single day do something

1635
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 5: that sparks a little bit of joy even though things

1636
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 5: might be difficult and challenging and different than what we expected,

1637
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 5: what we planned for. How do we have one thing

1638
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 5: that we could either look forward to or just bring

1639
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 5: joy to ourselves and people around us. So lots to

1640
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 5: talk about joy. And I'm a reader, so we'll be

1641
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 5: talking a lot about books I typically read like self Help,

1642
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 5: but I've put that down all year. I've been going

1643
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 5: deep into my like romance and historical fiction books, so

1644
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 5: just to bring some levity to my life. And I

1645
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 5: feel like I'm my listener and I know they need

1646
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 5: some levity too, So we talk into like different authors

1647
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 5: and things like that.

1648
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 2: So I love that, especially about the joy joyful practices

1649
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: that don't cost a lot, because you know, I think

1650
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: that's very important.

1651
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I.

1652
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 2: Would have two years ago, three years ago, I would

1653
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: not believe the person I am the day because I

1654
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: go outside and go on like a I walk for

1655
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 2: a hour, so pretty much like three to two to

1656
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: four times a week, and that shit is really I mean,

1657
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: it seemed like it's basic just being outside. It really

1658
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 2: don't seem like it would be what is everything they

1659
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: say it is?

1660
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: It really does, is done.

1661
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: Wonders for my mental health is done obviously wonders for

1662
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: my health health. And it's not even like I like

1663
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: I'm not out there running, Like it's not even like

1664
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 2: some like this exercise, but the point of the exercise

1665
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: is more like like do something for an hour, you know,

1666
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: get your heart rate up, but like literally sitting in

1667
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: the park for like ten minutes and just looking at

1668
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: birds and turtles and stuff, like it's really walking through

1669
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: the woods. Like I would not have thought I was

1670
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: that person even two three years ago. But now it's

1671
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 2: like I'll get antsy if I don't do it, Like

1672
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 2: if I I've taken my ass out in the rain

1673
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: before a while, I'm.

1674
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: Like, I gotta do something. I love that, Yeah, I

1675
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: love that, Like I gotta do something. Let me phone

1676
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: this poncho and get these miles in.

1677
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: But and it's crazy because it's something so basic, but

1678
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: it does even I was reading it, like I said

1679
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 2: the book Digital Madness, even ten minutes outside does wonder

1680
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: for people with mental health.

1681
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: You can just get ten minutes a day. It's not

1682
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: even this exercise.

1683
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: You could go ten minutes, sit on the park bench,

1684
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,759
Speaker 2: read a book, and but that that does something mentally

1685
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: for stuff like depression, anxiety that inside.

1686
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's real and it boosts like our neuro transmitter.

1687
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 5: It's like literally like seven tonin dopamine. Just seeing nature

1688
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,879
Speaker 5: and getting that fresh air like the greens, the blues,

1689
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 5: the cloths of the flowers, like literally makes us produce

1690
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 5: hormones that make us feel.

1691
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: A little bit better. Yeah.

1692
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 5: So yeah, are religious, but like God knew what he

1693
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 5: was doing, like when when they created all these things,

1694
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:06,480
Speaker 5: you know, So for sure.

1695
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.

1696
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent like and it's these are basic things.

1697
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: It don't cost you nothing, you know what I mean,

1698
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: go into space, see some other people do shit, Like

1699
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 2: you know, life is lifing. You know that that the

1700
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: thing you know, this this glass box or whatever is

1701
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 2: not the be all end all of life or whatever.

1702
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: You know. And I think when I talk about like

1703
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: how I've.

1704
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: Been looking at the world differently the last few years,

1705
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of it is, uh

1706
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 2: seeing like seeing what's happening in my phone is a

1707
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 2: thing that's just happening in my phone, yes, meaning so

1708
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: like it's while it is important. Did you stay informed?

1709
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 2: And I do stay inform. I mean that's what we

1710
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: do our show for. But there's a level of like, okay,

1711
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: so I don't know, uh, Young Thug is going through

1712
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 2: it right now. That is very entertaining. Okay, I've seen

1713
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: the leaks. Whoever's leaking this, you guys are the Feds, y'all,

1714
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: y'all aren't y'all bag? The fans are in their bag

1715
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 2: with these leaks because I don't know who planned it out, the.

1716
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 3: Drops, who played out the mixtape drops.

1717
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy right now. The man just did

1718
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 2: a podcast last night. I didn't watch it, but I

1719
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 2: was like, damn, they got this man to go in

1720
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: a podcast studio to explain himself.

1721
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: Them leaks were so good.

1722
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 2: But ah, and while you know it's you know it's

1723
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 2: but at some point, it's also like just a thing

1724
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 2: that's happening somewhere. It's not really affecting my life, Like

1725
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to let it preoccupy too much. And

1726
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: it also I'm using something trivial, but sometimes it's even

1727
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: serious shit where like and like I said, it makes

1728
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: me see things differently, like that I was talking to

1729
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: Randolph yesterday about the tap of the brown thing, and

1730
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I just chose to be like

1731
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: graceful for everybody involved, Like people that got mad.

1732
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: I get it her saying it. I get why she

1733
01:21:59,520 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: was saying it.

1734
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 2: Sound like if she was talking to me in my house,

1735
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have got mad. I would be like, yeah,

1736
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: I've been through that, thank you. I appreciate you know.

1737
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm not a failure taba though. I'm gonna keep grinding

1738
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 2: even if I gotta get a job.

1739
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up. But also, if people want to

1740
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: be mad, that's what they want, That's what they gonna do.

1741
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: And it's I'm still gonna go outside, experience that real sunshine,

1742
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: smell the turtles and the birds, and and go on

1743
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: my walk. And then that's the thing I control. You know,

1744
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: I'll go to the gym, lift those weights. I can

1745
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: control that. You know how my body reacts to that

1746
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: I did something productive that helped me point one percent

1747
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: more that day. That there's something about that that has

1748
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: added levity to a lot of my life to where

1749
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 2: I you know, because I used to spiral out online.

1750
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: I used to heavily be whatever's happening over here, is this.

1751
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: Is happening to me too, you know, as opposed to

1752
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 2: be like, listen that whatever I just witnessed, that sucks.

1753
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 2: But it's also like, I have other things in life

1754
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: I have to pay attention to as well in order

1755
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 2: to find that joy and that positivity and happiness.

1756
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1757
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: And also I think for me, as I've gotten old,

1758
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 4: and as time went on and as the internet, and

1759
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 4: sometimes you have to do a personal inventory and be like, hey,

1760
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 4: what's important to me and what's not important to me?

1761
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 4: And sometimes y'all, I don't care what the fuck y'all

1762
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 4: talking about.

1763
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 3: I just don't care.

1764
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 4: And me not caring doesn't mean that these things don't

1765
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 4: impact me. It means that I'm not willing to put

1766
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 4: the level of effort to get to anger that you

1767
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 4: guys are. Because I realized I cannot be angry all

1768
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 4: the time. And I think that some people they are addicted.

1769
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,919
Speaker 4: And I've come to this. When I came to this conclusion,

1770
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 4: it made people's behave you make more sense. You're addictive.

1771
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 4: You are always in control over the things that you do,

1772
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,480
Speaker 4: and so you are in control over these fluctuation of emotions.

1773
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 4: I can control every time you hit that app you

1774
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 4: area is in control when you get off, like you're

1775
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 4: actually are are you actually all making these decisions? And

1776
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 4: so in my mind, I was like, why don't they

1777
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 4: just get off? Then? Oh, it's an addiction like drugs, alcohol, sugar,

1778
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 4: these things. So when it's designed to be addiction, yes,

1779
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 4: and so when it's an addiction, it's very hard to

1780
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 4: tell somebody to stop their addiction. So once I realized that,

1781
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, they're gonna have to go through

1782
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 4: and navigate this until they get to the point that

1783
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 4: they've had enough, so I can't convince you otherwise.

1784
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: Everybody burns out at different times when they do.

1785
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: Like I, you know, I think I'm a little more

1786
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 2: graceful about people on the internet in general because I've

1787
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 2: been there, and I just feel like everyone it's not

1788
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: their fault. It's like smoking cigarettes, like, it's not the

1789
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 2: people that created a platform don't care about us.

1790
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: They just see us as like things they can use.

1791
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 2: And so the arc is that it will burn you out.

1792
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: The more you're on it, it will burn you out. Everyone's

1793
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: on the same arc, different people at different points. You know,

1794
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: people at the beginning are like, no, it's right out here, man,

1795
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: this is awesome. And if people are the hen are

1796
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: just like you know those veterans that are just like let.

1797
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 1: Me tell you some kid, the internet was at twenty nineteen,

1798
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: was it?

1799
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:08,959
Speaker 4: You know, it's not showing your scars.

1800
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like every yeah, everyone's on different paths, right,

1801
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: and much like anything like say alcohol or something, you

1802
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: gotta find.

1803
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: Your balance of what your balance, what's healthy for you.

1804
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 2: Some people are zero, like I don't give me a

1805
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 2: sip of anything, and some people are out here drunk

1806
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: and just drive. It's different for everybody at different points.

1807
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 2: So I think that's how you know, you have to

1808
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: choose how to navigate it.

1809
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 5: And somebody in the comments said they started scrolling past

1810
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 5: and filtered words because of this reason that like you

1811
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 5: have the tailor if you must be on the internet

1812
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:47,520
Speaker 5: like not interested block ye, like take some ownership.

1813
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 3: And I have to do that.

1814
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 5: Like if I see too much like that man's face

1815
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 5: on my feet, no black whoever's.

1816
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 3: Posting that, Like, oh I do too.

1817
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

1818
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 2: The way the way the way my social media is

1819
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 2: curated down to the ground, I like it may have

1820
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 2: aired on the side of sometimes I miss stuff that

1821
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 2: people are just sending me because they're nice or whatever,

1822
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: and I don't. I hate that I missed that, But

1823
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 2: also I gotta take that balance every time. I'd rather

1824
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: not see enough than see too much, because see it

1825
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: too much was driving me crazy. And it and unfortunately

1826
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 2: the people that made it, they are tailoring it to

1827
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 2: overdose you. They're not they're not They're not trying to

1828
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 2: give you a little bit. You know, if I log

1829
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 2: on right now, I'm sure i'll see uh, whatever it is,

1830
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: I'll see, I'll see a bunch of it, is my point.

1831
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: Like, so, like, I don't know how it decides by.

1832
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 5: The way, No, I think the amount of time you

1833
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 5: are on the post, it tells the algorithm you like this, okay,

1834
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 5: so you'll get more.

1835
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: So even if I'm not even liking it, they know

1836
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 2: I stopped to be like.

1837
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 4: Angry, okay that you froze, so they probably counting how

1838
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 4: long you looked at it.

1839
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, this is not shade. This is not shade.

1840
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 2: I know this person also at our heart, but this

1841
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: is not shade. I have never watched a second of

1842
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 2: or listen to the Joe Budden podcast.

1843
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: I do love hip hop, though back.

1844
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 3: In the day I dad like maybe twenty sixteen and seventeen.

1845
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: I've me literally not a second.

1846
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: It's not like a personal boycott or anything. I don't

1847
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 2: have no problems with I just it's just not it's

1848
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: just not for me.

1849
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 3: Right right, not for me.

1850
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 1: The way Twitter has decided I'm the number one fan.

1851
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1852
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

1853
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: I'd be like, not interesting.

1854
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 4: Man.

1855
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: They'd be like, oh, you ain't gonna believe what are you.

1856
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 3: Sure I've never watched it.

1857
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 1: I know the people name on the show. I do

1858
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: too because of Twitter. Twitter be like, you are going

1859
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: to you gonna watch this?

1860
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: I'm be like, not interested, scrolling past. They be like,

1861
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: if you even stopped to say not interesting, you interested?

1862
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: Deep down?

1863
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 3: We know people be lying. You know. I have a

1864
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 3: question for y'all.

1865
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 5: Do you feel sometimes I get frustrated because I feel like,

1866
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 5: what really pops? It's inflammatory, right, like people love mess? Yes,

1867
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 5: frustrated that like people love mess and you're business and mess.

1868
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, Nah, we never gonna blow up the

1869
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 2: way we could blow up. And I've just accepted that

1870
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 2: a long time ago, because it's like I refuse for

1871
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 2: my own mental health. I can't be in the I

1872
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 2: can't be in.

1873
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: The eye of a mess storm all day. Some people

1874
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 1: got it.

1875
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how they got it a personality.

1876
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how they got it, but they got it,

1877
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1878
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Where it's just like every day like and I'm not

1879
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: even like I said, I'm not even calling them bad people.

1880
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things that makes people

1881
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 2: be able to be very successful the Internet that I

1882
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 2: don't have, like even like Tabitha Brown's ability to be

1883
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 2: in the center of a storm and be like, I

1884
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: still know who I am. I'm a good person. I'm

1885
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,919
Speaker 2: just trying to help her life. I'll see y'all tomorrow.

1886
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 4: I don't got it.

1887
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: Like if everybody was like motherfucking me tonight on the internet,

1888
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh what what what?

1889
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 2: I was just trying to help, Like I would be out,

1890
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: y'all would the way I would have spiraled out if

1891
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 2: I was in this.

1892
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: If everybody you hate black women, you told us to

1893
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: get jobs? No I did, and that's not what I meant.

1894
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Please stop, Oh he mad?

1895
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Now you know, like I got it. So I've accepted that,

1896
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 2: Like our lot in life is that we like we're

1897
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: self sustained.

1898
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Podcast. This is perfectly fine with me.

1899
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 2: And if it's never the number one show on Apple,

1900
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: you just gotta be happy because what's for other people

1901
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 2: is always for you.

1902
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: And if you only look at the the ups.

1903
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: You'll never look at the downs because we don't really

1904
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: share the downs normally like people share the ups. Right,

1905
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 2: Hey just made this much money, this many views, this

1906
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 2: many things, but they not sharing like, man, I couldn't

1907
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: sleep last night. I had so much anxiety off of

1908
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 2: the some of the comments, or oh man, what am

1909
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 2: I gonna do?

1910
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: I gotta come up with a new video tomorrow. I'm

1911
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: stressing out.

1912
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 2: I've decided to have a life where I sleep at

1913
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 2: night and feel peaceful and I and these are the

1914
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: things that work for me. So I think that's the

1915
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 2: trade off.

1916
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: You have to look at yep.

1917
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,759
Speaker 2: Once again, in the book Digital Madness, they talk about

1918
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 2: this phenomenon of and it's real, but people look at

1919
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 2: other people on the internet all the time sharing their ups,

1920
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 2: and it makes you feel bad about yourself. We often

1921
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: talk about teenagers.

1922
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,440
Speaker 3: Yes they're very impact.

1923
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 2: But you know what's you know what I was reading

1924
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 2: the book, what it made me think teenagers is just

1925
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 2: a concept for us to talk about how it does

1926
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: us too, because we'll be like, man, these teen girls,

1927
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 2: they see these things and it makes them like harm themselves,

1928
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: It makes them feel bad about their bodies.

1929
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: Da da dah.

1930
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but if a sixteen year old

1931
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 2: spost a cigarette or a thirty year old supposed a cigarette,

1932
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 2: cigarette still do cigarette things to your body. So it's

1933
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 2: happening to us.

1934
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 1: Maybe we're a little.

1935
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 2: Stronger, we're a little more grounded and rooted than who

1936
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 2: we are. But whatever is happening to them kids, that's

1937
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: the Canarian of coal mine for us. So like, if

1938
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 2: it makes a fifteen year old girl feel bad that

1939
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 2: Beyonce posted a picture and she looks great, then it

1940
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: does something subconsciously to me too. I also feel that

1941
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 2: even if you know, even if I don't may not

1942
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 2: be as affected as they are, there's part of me

1943
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 2: that's like that.

1944
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: And you'll hear people express this other ways where it'll be.

1945
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: Like, man, I log on the Instagram and everybody's posting

1946
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 2: their wedding photos and and I'm like, damn, it's affecting

1947
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:34,759
Speaker 2: you because it's supposed to be I'm happy, Oh your way, anniversary, congrats,

1948
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,759
Speaker 2: But instead there's a little part that's.

1949
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: Coming back at you, like why you ain't got no woman?

1950
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh you by yourself?

1951
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 2: And so that that is a real constant thing that's

1952
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 2: happening to all of us, you know, kind of sucks, Yeah.

1953
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 1: For sure.

1954
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 4: And I think for me, to go back to the

1955
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 4: question that you asked, I know that I'm not built

1956
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 4: for that because of my personality and who I am.

1957
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: I think that.

1958
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 4: Or me, I would probably knowing me, I would crash

1959
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 4: out and crash out in a different way. Or I'll

1960
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 4: probably just sit in here and have Roger probably just

1961
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 4: hear me rant, because because that's the thing. It's not

1962
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 4: that I don't have all these big feelings and all

1963
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 4: these emotions and all these things. I just don't go

1964
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 4: on the internet with it, Like the things that irritate

1965
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 4: me and make me mad and make me upset. I

1966
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 4: want to call somebody stupid. I just turned to my

1967
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 4: left and look at Roger and just tell him how

1968
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 4: I feel, and then I'm fine with my life and

1969
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 4: I go on by my business. I just don't put

1970
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 4: those things online. And that can say people think just

1971
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 4: because you're not on there that you're not impacted by it,

1972
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 4: or just because you don't post as much. You don't

1973
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 4: see things and I do. And so for me, I'm

1974
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 4: like mm hmm. And the question that you had about

1975
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 4: the audience, this is what I realized. The everybody ain't

1976
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 4: meant everybody not gonna like you. So regardless of what

1977
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 4: you do and how big you are, you are gonna

1978
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 4: have a subsection of people that's just not gonna like

1979
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 4: the fact that you existed and you doing whatever it

1980
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 4: is you're doing for whatever, for their own personal reasons,

1981
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 4: be it they don't like you because you're always happy,

1982
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 4: they don't like you for because you're pretty, or they

1983
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 4: think that you think you are at whatever the reason

1984
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 4: is they have, they have their own personal glitches that

1985
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 4: they're gonna project on you. And because of that, what

1986
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 4: I've realized is I know I'm not for everybody, and

1987
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 4: I'm okay not being for everybody. And what people don't

1988
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 4: the damn part of people don't tell you when you

1989
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 4: go catch everybody, you getting everybody, which means you getting

1990
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,799
Speaker 4: the craziest, You're getting the lunatics and you getting the haters,

1991
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 4: like like, they don't tell you that part of actually

1992
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 4: fishing for everybody, You literally are bringing the good and

1993
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 4: the bad into your circles. And so for me, if

1994
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 4: you don't want to be here, you ain't got to

1995
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 4: be here. It's no obligation. We are not a cult

1996
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 4: and so and so. So in my mind, I'm like, hey,

1997
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 4: get off the hook, gone by your business, live your life. No,

1998
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 4: I'm serious, no hard feelings either way, because I'm also

1999
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 4: a podcast listener. So it's podcast that I've dropped off,

2000
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 4: came back, went back and forth, being all over the

2001
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 4: place with so I'm not an exception to the rule,

2002
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 4: Like like, I don't feel no obligation to hold on

2003
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 4: to you forever.

2004
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: Cassandra, what about you?

2005
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 2: Like, are you looking around at even though you know

2006
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 2: it's a be wells it's a health and wellness podcast,

2007
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 2: are you looking around at the podcast landscape seeing the

2008
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: clips that go viral and being like, man, maybe I'll

2009
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 2: should be doing that or like, you know.

2010
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think especially in the health and wellness space,

2011
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,440
Speaker 5: like there's a lot of we see a lot of pseudoscience,

2012
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,440
Speaker 5: anti science and that shit pops.

2013
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, it's not based reality.

2014
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh man, and yeah, I'm right now.

2015
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 5: I like in this season in my in my podcasting journey.

2016
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 5: Like I'm like very frustrated, but you know what, you

2017
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 5: just really gave me a word, Karen, because like a

2018
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 5: I am also a listener, Like, so I know, I

2019
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 5: like drop off and I come back. Maybe I don't

2020
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 5: come back to some podcast. It's not that nothing personally

2021
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 5: can see or whatever. Yeah, it doesn't apply anymore, right,

2022
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 5: And then also, yeah, you're right, like when you invite

2023
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:09,440
Speaker 5: everybody or when everybody comes, you're getting truly every Yes.

2024
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: Now, I always say that about our show.

2025
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 2: People would be like, we'll I'll be like a guest

2026
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 2: to parents on someone's show or something.

2027
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: They're like, oh yeah, so what are you guys starting

2028
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: to do? Like blow up?

2029
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: You know how I mean, done it? And I'm like,

2030
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 2: I don't want all the listeners. I just like the

2031
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: cool ones.

2032
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: So like if I.

2033
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 2: Come do your show and you got fifty thousand listeners,

2034
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 2: but in my mind you got like two hundred ones

2035
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 2: that would like mess with us, that would get our vibe.

2036
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: I'll take the two hundred. I don't need the fifty thousand.

2037
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 2: Like you know, some like especially with pop culture, politics

2038
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 2: and comedy and stuff, do you look at what's at

2039
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 2: the top of the list, Joe Rogan.

2040
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't Adam Carolla.

2041
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: People, you know, would you do go on there show?

2042
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I could go, but let me tell

2043
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 2: you what, It's not gonna help as much as I

2044
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:01,719
Speaker 2: go on a show that similar to ours, agree because

2045
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 2: it showed that similar to ours, maybe ninety percent of

2046
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 2: those people here to go ooh, I'm gonna check that out.

2047
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 2: Like if I if I'm on Kevi on Stages podcast,

2048
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 2: much more of his artists will cross over. They're like, oh,

2049
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 2: look at this black couple that is being funny. If

2050
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 2: I go on Adam Corolla show, the ones that come

2051
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: might be like.

2052
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 4: Burn it down, let's le All of a sudden, the

2053
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 4: chat room is lit and they arguing with each other.

2054
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: You never know, we found them, that's what they behind.

2055
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: So like, I don't like all attention is not good attention.

2056
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 5: And you know, when I think it was twenty twenty

2057
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 5: one or twenty twenty two, I was new and noteworthy,

2058
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 5: but like the second place, and so you're on like

2059
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 5: right there, my ratings went down so bad.

2060
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh, they found him husband, and it's like, babe,

2061
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 3: it's not you like.

2062
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,520
Speaker 4: Right they come Yeah, they're coming out, they'll start posting

2063
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 4: and leaving comment.

2064
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,719
Speaker 3: And leaving one star reviews. I'm like, what happened, Lord?

2065
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:00,799
Speaker 1: Because they angry about out nothing.

2066
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 2: Now, Yes, we don't even have to be involved in

2067
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 2: the angry look at look at the cracker barrel thing.

2068
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: Black people wasn't even involved in the cracker barrel thing.

2069
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 2: That was a whole news cycle of just white people,

2070
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 2: white on white violence.

2071
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 4: Yes, we had nothing to do with that.

2072
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 2: Black people didn't care about that sign. We ain't care

2073
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 2: about that man. We ain't give about the new logo either.

2074
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 3: We was eating cracker barrel would Yeah, either you in.

2075
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:23,959
Speaker 1: There for breakfast or you're not in there for breakfast.

2076
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 1: But you ain't thought about it. No, you wasn't.

2077
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: Like, it's not like black people's walking past that sign,

2078
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 2: like I guess.

2079
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: I'll eat here anyway, so I don't.

2080
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 2: But like that tells you that there's a hole in

2081
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 2: these people that is missing, something that is making them

2082
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 2: attack things. So yeah, it's funny, new and noteworthy. All

2083
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 2: this is doing is trying to introduce you out to

2084
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 2: some new podcasts, some new things you may.

2085
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 1: Or may not heard of it.

2086
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 2: Hey, click on this check it out to see that

2087
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: and go, I gotta go give her a bad rate

2088
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 2: it Like she's trying to help black women, not on

2089
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 2: my watch. That's insane and there's nothing you can do

2090
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 2: about that. There's nothing you can control about that. And

2091
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 2: you definitely don't want to internalize that.

2092
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 1: Because you know, I've listened to the show a few

2093
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 1: times at this point, and you're doing good work.

2094
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 2: You're trying to spread positivity and enjoy You're out here

2095
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 2: being a support system for other black women at a

2096
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 2: time where black women definitely gonna need it after this

2097
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 2: shit ain't the truth, and so like we got yeah,

2098
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 2: you got to stay on the own mission and stay

2099
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:26,600
Speaker 2: on message without you know, seeking that not that validation

2100
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 2: and affirmation isn't good, but like sometimes if we willcome

2101
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: to be holding the external validation and affirmation, it can

2102
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 2: turn you know, That's what we I've really experienced with

2103
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 2: the Internet, especially thinking about like we we talk pop

2104
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 2: culture here a lot, So we talk about like Cardi B.

2105
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 2: We talk about Liz O, we talk about uh, you know.

2106
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 1: All kinds of all especially a lot of black women.

2107
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 2: Right Megan is statue And one of the problems with

2108
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:55,759
Speaker 2: like the external Internet validation is that it's so flimsy,

2109
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 2: like it'll flip and in a way that a lot

2110
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 2: in a way that a real person wouldn't do, Like

2111
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 2: like if you came on here and we disagreed about something,

2112
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna We're not gonna hop off here and

2113
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 2: be like Cassandra's never coming back.

2114
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: Okay, she said one thing now.

2115
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 2: Not out of ten things she said, we were like agree,

2116
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 2: but then she said one thing and on that one thing,

2117
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 2: she's dead to me. But the Internet does that a

2118
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 2: lot because because we're not really seeing each other as

2119
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: humans were seeing each other as content.

2120
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like turning the channel, right.

2121
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't want to be on the Cardi B

2122
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 2: channel anymore, she said, the thing I don't like, she's done.

2123
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 1: And I think.

2124
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 2: The other side of that having it happened to you,

2125
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 2: or being or seeing that it could be a possibility

2126
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 2: of a thing that can happen. It can have effect

2127
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 2: on your mental health and affect your mission and be

2128
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, you're looking at your rations,

2129
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 2: We're looking at our followers, we're looking at our review

2130
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 2: We're looking at so much stuff that's constantly giving.

2131
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 1: Us this loop of like past fail, good.

2132
01:39:58,720 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 3: Bad.

2133
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 2: Oh the thing you said today, you shouldn't have said

2134
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:03,799
Speaker 2: that thing today. Oh the thing you didn't say yesterday,

2135
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 2: you should have said it. You know, that type of thing,

2136
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 2: And I think it does have a real effect. But

2137
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 2: knowing yourself and your own values is pretty much the

2138
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 2: only thing I think that can get you through that,

2139
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 2: Cause you know, sometimes you just got to be like,

2140
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 2: I know, I know what I'm doing is hurting people,

2141
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 2: or I know I'm trying to help, And I know

2142
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 2: these people over here that do know me, they would

2143
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 2: check me cause I keep them kind of people on

2144
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 2: my circle that if I was out here fucking up,

2145
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of people that would tug my coat.

2146
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: Before the Internet get to it to.

2147
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 4: Be like hey, hey, playing all right, okay, all right,

2148
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 4: how do you feel about you know, cause there's two

2149
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 4: sides of the Internet. There's the people that are on

2150
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 4: the Internet that kind of just do their thing and

2151
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 4: they just kind of out there and they just say

2152
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 4: stuff and attack people and don't think of it and

2153
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 4: don't have any compassion or anything. But with you being

2154
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 4: like on the side of like that noteworthy thing, how

2155
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 4: is your perspective changed? Because a lot of people, they

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Speaker 4: will never be noteworthy of anything on the Internet, so

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Speaker 4: they will never understand what it's like to have somebody

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Speaker 4: come and just critique you for no reason other than

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Speaker 4: you just existing. How has that changed your perspective on

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Speaker 4: how you interact with the internet, Because for some people,

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Speaker 4: I've seen it in real time. I've seen people who

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Speaker 4: would just go out and just do things and would

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Speaker 4: just they would want to be somewhere and they would

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Speaker 4: do things to get on these platforms. Then when they

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Speaker 4: got there, all of a sudden, they would have one

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Speaker 4: getting critiqued. So all of a sudden, their perspective changed.

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Speaker 4: Because once you are on that other side and people

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Speaker 4: are actually looking and watching and paying you attention, your

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Speaker 4: perspective change. So how has your perspective changed?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 5: I feel like I have always been I'm like super sensitive,

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Speaker 5: like to a fault sometimes. So I remember, like years ago,

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Speaker 5: like during the early days of Instagram, and I would

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Speaker 5: go like on a celebrities page and I look at

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Speaker 5: the comments, I'm like, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: People are so vile, so like i'd be because I

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Speaker 3: will see.

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Speaker 5: How me I'm like, there's somebody on the other side

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Speaker 5: of this, like that star, like Jala whoever, they're a person,

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Speaker 5: if they're real in these comments, like that's so hurtful.

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Speaker 5: So I've never been a person to like necessarily critique

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Speaker 5: in public, but I may be like, oh, that was

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Speaker 5: trash to my husband black y'o.

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Speaker 3: Do you see that.

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Speaker 5: I'll never like type it like for the person to

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Speaker 5: possibly see why, you know. And then especially now even

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Speaker 5: now my conversations with like the people in my life,

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Speaker 5: if I see somebody trying something new, trying something different,

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to have much of the need to

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Speaker 5: say unless it's positive.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: I may think, ooh, it's not quite there yet, but

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to share that with anybody verbally, you know,

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Speaker 5: because we all out here trying something, and I think

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Speaker 5: it takes courage to try something.

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Speaker 4: I do to.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, we're emotional, we're emotional.

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Speaker 2: Bumper cars, we're just bumping off each other at the

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Speaker 2: theme park, causing all kinds of repercussions. So you gotta

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Speaker 2: be careful and mindful of that, because yeah, we all

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Speaker 2: have a story. Every single one of us existing right

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Speaker 2: now has a story of somebody that said something to

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Speaker 2: us that didn't mean that much to them, but meant

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Speaker 2: a lot to us, good or bad, and that is

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Speaker 2: a constant thing you got to be aware of because

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Speaker 2: you just really never know. We've had people that come

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Speaker 2: up to us that I mean and it's not even

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Speaker 2: a bad thing, but they'll be like this thing you said, Man,

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Speaker 2: it changed my life. Man, you said that, and they

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Speaker 2: really be something where I'd be like, I don't even

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Speaker 2: remember that shit like so you know, it happens the

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Speaker 2: bad way too. Like you just got to be careful

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Speaker 2: out here. Man, Listen, this has been fun. I feel

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Speaker 2: like we kept you over the amount of time we said,

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Speaker 2: but it was a good conversation. Tell the people where

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Speaker 2: to find you and how to support be well says Yes.

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Speaker 5: So my podcast is called be Well Sin is found

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Speaker 5: on every streaming platform. I also have a YouTube channel

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Speaker 5: where I post like the video episodes.

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Speaker 3: It's still relatively new.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to get to my first thousand subscribers, So

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Speaker 5: if you can go ahead and subscribe with on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: As well as all the other places, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm on Instagram.

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Speaker 5: So on Instagram I'm at b well sis underscore podcast,

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Speaker 5: and I'm also on threads, but on th I'm literally

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Speaker 5: just if I think it I posted and it's really

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Speaker 5: usually nothing like I was at the grocery store yesterday

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Speaker 5: and I was like posting about the breasts of butter,

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Speaker 5: so like, ain't nothing really over there?

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Speaker 1: Now that's relatable. I do the same thing. I don't

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Speaker 1: have a digital strategy. I'll just be out here saying stuff.

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, y'all, y'all ever think about blank?

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Speaker 2: And then it's like either everybody goes no or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And then half the time what goes viral and stuff,

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Speaker 2: there's no way to know anyway.

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Speaker 3: I know, you never really that's something algorithm can't figure out.

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Speaker 1: Nah, it's truly innocu with stuff that that. That is

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Speaker 1: just like, hey, man, did you know they got they

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Speaker 1: don't post it you on Reddit under black people Twitter.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I didn't know it was the black people.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was the thing I was

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Speaker 1: just talking about.

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Speaker 2: I was just talking about, you know, the last name

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Speaker 2: of the woman that sued Shannon Sharp being Sue Nigga

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Speaker 2: and being like that.

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Speaker 1: Name nigga z u n I g a z u

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Speaker 1: n I g A. But I was like, that was

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Speaker 1: a clue. He should have known he was gonna lose everything.

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Speaker 2: Okays, you gotta pay attention and now larious, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I said that as a joke and now it's got

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Speaker 2: that work.

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Speaker 1: That one got three hundred and three thousand views right now.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you know, if I said something that I thought

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Speaker 2: was profound to be like six people that care, you

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Speaker 2: get six arts.

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Speaker 1: That's why you can't look for external validation.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, I'm gonna go outside of get in

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Speaker 2: the sunshine or the rain, whatever and get my get

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Speaker 2: my steps in today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, Cassandra, Thank you baby. Yeah, thanks listeners.

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Speaker 2: Make sure y'all go out and check out be Well says,

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Speaker 2: and we'll be back throughout the week until next time.

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Speaker 1: I love you, nah,