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Speaker 1: another episode of The Break Uh presented by Miller Lite,
Speaker 1: the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm joined by Nick, Brian.
Speaker 1: Derek should be joining us here in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna go ahead and start the show. And
Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily what people want to hear or talk
Speaker 1: about right now. You know, we got the we ended
Speaker 1: the season, but it's time to kind of get into
Speaker 1: that offseason mode. And I wanted to ask you guys,
Speaker 1: despite the end result and the loss that we just
Speaker 1: went through and experienced against the forty nine ers, how
Speaker 1: would you qualify this season when you go you know,
Speaker 1: people doing their exit interviews and all that. If you
Speaker 1: sit down and have to look at the overall and
Speaker 1: feeling aside, how would you really qualify and review the season.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good season, and I know that
Speaker 1: what's been talked about on the radio and people have
Speaker 1: to debate about it, and and I just I don't
Speaker 1: understand how it would be viewed anything different. And if
Speaker 1: and if so, you know, this is why why we
Speaker 1: get asked the questions earlier in the year, what's your
Speaker 1: record for the season, what do you think it's going
Speaker 1: to be. Um, I didn't hear any any twelve and
Speaker 1: twelve and fives and and playoff, you know, go to
Speaker 1: the division around. I didn't hear that. UM. I heard
Speaker 1: nine and nine and eight and ten and seven and
Speaker 1: and and maybe wild cards or sneak in. But so
Speaker 1: I think I think expectations were way exceeded. UM And
Speaker 1: I think you know you I saw things this year
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen ever and the time I was here.
Speaker 1: So I don't live my life that way, thinking that
Speaker 1: it's got to be Super Bowl or bust, because I
Speaker 1: would have been I would have been gone time. So
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't view that way. And if people
Speaker 1: that's you know, I don't know. How was your weekend?
Speaker 1: It was good? Did you win the lottery? Well know, well,
Speaker 1: then how is it good? I mean, like, I don't
Speaker 1: live like that. I think you can have you can
Speaker 1: have you said it before. Something that I guess I've
Speaker 1: never actually given thought is these people whoever comes in
Speaker 1: that's new head coach and new head coach players, they
Speaker 1: have to deal with that type of burden that is
Speaker 1: not their fault. They come in here and have to
Speaker 1: deal with of the years and years and years right
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys franchise hasn't gone back to a super
Speaker 1: Bowl and deal with that. So that's something that people
Speaker 1: don't realize. And I get it people are fed up,
Speaker 1: but it's it's what it is. Brian. Yeah, you went
Speaker 1: four out of five games with a backup quarterback when
Speaker 1: your season in week one just looked like you know,
Speaker 1: we make jokes about talking about the draft, show everything,
Speaker 1: every it was the doom and gloom that was in
Speaker 1: this building after Week one. The fan base around the
Speaker 1: world was like, what are we going to do? Now?
Speaker 1: You know we've got it, now we've got what, We've
Speaker 1: got sixteen more weeks of this? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: You know? And that's and that's the thing you look
Speaker 1: at and you say, man, you went four of the
Speaker 1: five games with a backup quarterback when none of us.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say none of us. I didn't think Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush could do it. No, I didn't think it. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. Dan Quinn made this defense better last year.
Speaker 1: It was you're thinking, man, what's dan Quinn going to do?
Speaker 1: Smoke and mirrors? How's he going to do? This? Led
Speaker 1: the lad the egan in turnovers last year. You know,
Speaker 1: did things got in the playoffs? Yeah, you got beat
Speaker 1: by San Francisco. Kind of figured out ways along how
Speaker 1: to win games last year, you know, But your defense
Speaker 1: carries you the first half of this season. Then you
Speaker 1: get your quarterback back and then you start to win
Speaker 1: some games. The offense kind of finds its way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had a couple of bad losses along the way,
Speaker 1: the green Bay loss, the jack Mille. You know, green
Speaker 1: Bay they're fighting to get in the playoffs. Jacksonville looks
Speaker 1: like a legitimate team. So that's not a bad loss
Speaker 1: to me. Right now. When you when you did the
Speaker 1: thing with Nick, when you're talking about when loss loss,
Speaker 1: when you know, when you play that game with the schedule,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was a w immediately said Jacksonville is no good.
Speaker 1: It's a W So you know, to me, I was
Speaker 1: I was super super super critical of Mike McCarthy, you know,
Speaker 1: and what and I'm thinking, Okay, evaluate the coaching staff
Speaker 1: this year. I think the coaching staff did a really
Speaker 1: really nice job this year considering all the things. Now
Speaker 1: they're might go, they might lose. The things are really
Speaker 1: heating up for dan Quinn. They're really heating up for
Speaker 1: dan Quinn. So you're gonna have to figure that out
Speaker 1: right now. But how as far as the season goes.
Speaker 1: Somebody's telling me, hey, Brian, you know it's not sustainable.
Speaker 1: You can't lead to the league in turnover. You're getting
Speaker 1: turn creating turnovers back to back. What do they do?
Speaker 1: You know, despite their quarterback having issues with interceptions and
Speaker 1: not all his fault, but you know, he gets to
Speaker 1: blame for him. You know, they were one of the
Speaker 1: top teams when it came to turning the getting people
Speaker 1: to turn the ball over, sacks, pressures, things like that.
Speaker 1: You know they you know, every other year the record
Speaker 1: they have is going to win the division. They there's
Speaker 1: a hot team right now playing in Philadelphia. You know
Speaker 1: there's a team you know it Usually you win twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen games, you're talking about having the first overall seat.
Speaker 1: It took thirteen games for them to get that right.
Speaker 1: So to me, I look at the season as like
Speaker 1: I look at as super positive. You know, now you
Speaker 1: have to figure out though, it's this is now over
Speaker 1: and now you have to move on. You're probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to replace some coaches, You're surely going to have
Speaker 1: to replace some personnel, and then it starts all over again.
Speaker 1: You know, what are your expectations. How's the draft? I mean,
Speaker 1: they go out and they draft a kid. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I'm talking so long, but I am. You know this this.
Speaker 1: They go out and they draft a kid to play.
Speaker 1: They don't even give you his position. Tyler Smith. They
Speaker 1: don't even tell you what he is. He's a left
Speaker 1: side player, he's a he's a he's a just offense.
Speaker 1: He plays guard, he plays tackle, he plays guard, he
Speaker 1: plays tackle. I mean what they got out of him
Speaker 1: this year and some of these other players that they
Speaker 1: have bland guys like that, when others, when your primary
Speaker 1: corner goes down, your primary nickel goes down. To the
Speaker 1: things that they were able to do. They finally got
Speaker 1: Pollard going in this thing to the point where You're like,
Speaker 1: man if when Pauler went out of the game, it's
Speaker 1: like your whole offense went south. There was a time
Speaker 1: where Paul how many touches he had in the game
Speaker 1: last year, eight against the forty nine ers. I think
Speaker 1: they figured out some things along the way. That's as
Speaker 1: a former personnel, man if I was working in this building,
Speaker 1: that's the positivity that I would take. I don't like
Speaker 1: the fact that you get bounced in the division around
Speaker 1: you know, nineteen points given up, you should score, You
Speaker 1: should beat that. You should beat a team, you know
Speaker 1: if they if you only give up nineteen points, they
Speaker 1: didn't do that. Now it's my job to find some
Speaker 1: ways to go and be to Philadelphia, go and be
Speaker 1: to San Francisco, go to beat you beat Cincinnati, you know,
Speaker 1: early in the year with a backup quarterback by the way.
Speaker 1: So to me, I think that, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: the thud, you know, it's not that thud that you
Speaker 1: normally face when it's when the season's over for me,
Speaker 1: because I see more positive things than I really really
Speaker 1: do negative things. Yeah, and we are all expecting some changes,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that is. We're expecting changes to happen
Speaker 1: in the near future, and which is exciting in the
Speaker 1: thought that it's a change at least, But to me
Speaker 1: it's also a little frustrating because you look at what
Speaker 1: you had with dan Quinn and the great thing that
Speaker 1: he's been able to do. With Kellen Moore on the
Speaker 1: other hand, he's also been he's done some great things
Speaker 1: as well. He's kind of elevated the offense in certain ways.
Speaker 1: It just hasn't fully clicked, and you always feel like
Speaker 1: you're just one little stepe away from everything just working
Speaker 1: out perfectly now with a possible change like that, Nick,
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is hard to say because you
Speaker 1: don't know who would be the next guy. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: if that was to happen or he was asked the
Speaker 1: question today on radio listening about you know, you know
Speaker 1: who that guy would be or who dan Quinn wasn't
Speaker 1: it or for Kellen he was for dan Quinn, Okay,
Speaker 1: for Quinn and and but but yeah, for Kellen. I
Speaker 1: mean it's tough. You are how far do you feel
Speaker 1: they are from like just finding the right guy. And
Speaker 1: that's a tough question. Okay, It's like it's it's you
Speaker 1: have to look at it. LOWD what Mike McCarthy's track
Speaker 1: record of hiring people. This is what we know about
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. To me, Mike McCarthy, when he brought in
Speaker 1: his friends, it didn't work out. When he went outside
Speaker 1: of the friend bubble, he went and got Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: To me, now it's about it's Mike McCarthy going to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I went with Kellen Moore. You guys, you know I
Speaker 1: didn't want to change things with Kellen Moore. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to call his play. I didn't want to call plays,
Speaker 1: you know. But if I feel comfortable with Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 1: or I feel comfortable with Nathaniel Hackett, you know, those
Speaker 1: kind of guys, that's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 1: if Jerry and Will and Steven and then would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're cool with you. The guy that could be the
Speaker 1: favorite if they had to make, if that move is made,
Speaker 1: is got to be Schottenheimer because he's been in the building.
Speaker 1: You know, Jerry and Stephen and Will have actually seen
Speaker 1: him work or know about his work, his body of work.
Speaker 1: So if i'm I mean, I think there's a sense
Speaker 1: of urgency within the Cowboy organization right now too. If
Speaker 1: they're gonna make this move. There's no waiting around for
Speaker 1: like Jason Garrett be hanging out in his office for
Speaker 1: a week and like, oh well, hey, just kind of everything.
Speaker 1: You know the Cowboys when when they're put up against it,
Speaker 1: they'll go make a decision. But you got to put
Speaker 1: him up against it. And maybe maybe Mike McCarthy, if
Speaker 1: he wants to make a switch on Kellen Moore, wants
Speaker 1: this where it's like, I gotta go get this guy
Speaker 1: right now. Because of all these coaches that are being
Speaker 1: interviewed for jobs, you lose those assistants, and I don't
Speaker 1: think Mike McCarthy wants to lose a top assistant to
Speaker 1: another team by waiting around. So if they're gonna do
Speaker 1: something with Kelln Moore, I have a feeling it's gonna
Speaker 1: be more sooner than later. To be honest with you, Well,
Speaker 1: let me change the question a little bit because I
Speaker 1: know it's a tough one to answer without knowing all
Speaker 1: the names and all that. But we know that Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is going to be here this upcoming season. He's
Speaker 1: going to be your guy. Is there a style of
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that you think would fit better with the
Speaker 1: type of quarterback that you currently have. I think you
Speaker 1: got to get a coordinator that understands how to get
Speaker 1: Dak on the move. You got to understand how to
Speaker 1: how to I don't know if it's necessarily RPOs as much,
Speaker 1: but but it can be. I mean, it could be that,
Speaker 1: but it's got to be it's got to be a
Speaker 1: guy that that's had some experience. And again I'm saying
Speaker 1: all this because maybe there is going to be a change.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there will be, but there needs
Speaker 1: to be. In my opinion, there needs to be a
Speaker 1: change because you know, the quarterback won't change. It's not
Speaker 1: going to change because the way the contract is structured,
Speaker 1: it's just not going to happen. So just get that
Speaker 1: through your head. But you can change the the you
Speaker 1: know what's in his ear, and maybe he does need
Speaker 1: to kind of just a refresh, a different start. I
Speaker 1: think it needs to be somebody that has experienced with
Speaker 1: mobile quarterbacks. Excuse me, they can get their guy on
Speaker 1: the move a little bit and getting choked up talking
Speaker 1: about the offensive coordinator. I just think it needs to
Speaker 1: be somebody that has some experience and a guy obviously
Speaker 1: can't just stand in the pod because that's not Dak's strength.
Speaker 1: So get him moving around a little bit and understand
Speaker 1: somebody that he can relate to when it comes to
Speaker 1: the checks. What does he checking into, what is he
Speaker 1: checking out of? Things like that. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Helen has done a really good job. But it's
Speaker 1: almost like this is as far as it's gone and
Speaker 1: needs to be more than that. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: That's I think it's well said. But you know, you
Speaker 1: get to a point bat with Dak. It's to me,
Speaker 1: it's you know that Dak always plays with challenges. There's
Speaker 1: always challenges to Dak's game, you know, and maybe you
Speaker 1: need to get that guy that it will challenge him
Speaker 1: in that way. You know. Maybe I think the biggest
Speaker 1: problems that Dak has is how he sees what's going
Speaker 1: on once the play, once the ball snapped. You know,
Speaker 1: There's been plenty of times a lot of these intercepts
Speaker 1: I believe are due to you know, like the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers came out after this game and we're talking
Speaker 1: about you know, and Jimmy Ward was the one that
Speaker 1: said at the nickel corner for them, he says Dak
Speaker 1: can't play against zone defenses can't play against zone That's
Speaker 1: that's not my opinion. That's somebody that just competed against him,
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Ward. The ball bounced off him. Number
Speaker 1: one goes to you know, Fred Warner, and you know
Speaker 1: that's you know, now you've got an interception. But his
Speaker 1: assessment of playing against Dak Prescott and right or wrong
Speaker 1: is that he cannot play against zone defenses. So if
Speaker 1: that's what teams are going to do, if everybody's sitting
Speaker 1: down watching, they need to figure out whoever the next doc,
Speaker 1: if there's a next doc, if there's a next doc.
Speaker 1: But to Nix's point, I agree with him. I think
Speaker 1: you've run your course with you know, with Kellen Moore here,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you've run your course. I think
Speaker 1: there needs to be a different voice in his ear.
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, and we get trouble a
Speaker 1: lot of time because you guys, you guys live in
Speaker 1: this building. I used to live in this building. You
Speaker 1: have to go to the lunch room and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, these coaches and people hear about, well, hey
Speaker 1: we're talking about this and talking about that. That's your job.
Speaker 1: That's your job. But these people that's their livelihood. And
Speaker 1: so everybody takes that a little bit more personal, but
Speaker 1: it's reality. It is reality. If you want to find
Speaker 1: ways to move on, you've got to elevate, you've got
Speaker 1: to go and and and maybe do something a little
Speaker 1: different that you're not comfortable with. Yeah, and let me
Speaker 1: let's throw one more thing else about the Dak. When
Speaker 1: I said that about Dak, you know that's he's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere or the contract. Let me make another thing
Speaker 1: clear on that too, And listening to Jerry the other
Speaker 1: day after the game, Dak is the quarterback because that's
Speaker 1: who Jerry also believes is going to be the guy.
Speaker 1: It's not just like they're stuck with a contract. This
Speaker 1: is the contract that he's got. And yes, you can't
Speaker 1: just make changes on it, but I don't think that
Speaker 1: they would want to anyways. I mean, I really truly
Speaker 1: believe that the Cowboys are fully supporting him and and
Speaker 1: I think Dat can get it done. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think that he needs help and it's tough to
Speaker 1: do that. Look at the look at the quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: are in it right now for the NFC, Look at
Speaker 1: the guys that are in there. It's Brock Purty and
Speaker 1: it's Jalen Hurts. They're probably making a combine two million
Speaker 1: dollars this year. I mean that means there's a lot
Speaker 1: of money out there for other guys, defense, offense, a
Speaker 1: lot of weapons. That Cowboys did have that for about
Speaker 1: three years until Dat got the big deal, and he
Speaker 1: kind of wondered, man, should did they waste an opportunity?
Speaker 1: They were having a really good quarterback at a really
Speaker 1: low number. But now he's got a big number. It's
Speaker 1: hard to find those pieces around him. But yet he
Speaker 1: needs them. He needs them. I think the Cowboys though
Speaker 1: they're not they're not stuck in a contract with him.
Speaker 1: They totally believe Dak is the guy. But they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to figure it out and draft free agency. You
Speaker 1: have to draft smart. You can't have and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to put blame on Jalen Tilbert at all or
Speaker 1: anything like that, because that was the only negative part
Speaker 1: of that draft class. But they gotta hit on the
Speaker 1: guys like that for cheap. They gotta have young players
Speaker 1: in the first contract that are contributing and making money
Speaker 1: to offset some of the big numbers that you have,
Speaker 1: which is another reason why losing that dan Quinn, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be huge, a huge loss because of his ability
Speaker 1: to make something out of a player that isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: valued high. For example, all these free agents guys that
Speaker 1: come in veteran guys at a lower prize that it's
Speaker 1: not like a big splash in the market. Kers did
Speaker 1: a great job just developing those players, even the rookines.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, talk about those guys I have shine
Speaker 1: through what dan Quinn has been able to do. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: that's that's the beauty of having a guy like dan
Speaker 1: Quinn that works shoulder to shoulder with will McClay and
Speaker 1: Steven Jones on personnel. Dan has had you know, he's
Speaker 1: had his h you know, he put a lot of
Speaker 1: trust into Kelvin Joseph. Kelvin Joseph looked just too big
Speaker 1: for him out there this year. It did. But what
Speaker 1: did Kelvin Joseph do on special teams? That's what you
Speaker 1: saw growth. You saw I made a huge play in
Speaker 1: that game the other day, so you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the thing about it is when you go
Speaker 1: out there and you talk about the Sam williams Izzie
Speaker 1: mcquomwu guys like that. Yeah, right, all these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, he's put his stamp on a lot
Speaker 1: of guys and it's come up big for him. And
Speaker 1: and and I keep saying this. You know, he took
Speaker 1: an injury, but he had a plan for what to
Speaker 1: do with Michael Parsons last year. I did not see
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons rushed the passer like that at Penn Stake.
Speaker 1: And I've asked a ton of scouts around the league,
Speaker 1: not just the cowboy scouts, but there's scouts are like, man,
Speaker 1: this is something that we didn't see. So if you
Speaker 1: do lose a guy like Dan Quinn, you do lose
Speaker 1: the vision for the player. You'd lose the evaluation of
Speaker 1: the player. And that's the tough thing about it is
Speaker 1: trying to find somebody that could step in and do
Speaker 1: the job as well as he did. And I told
Speaker 1: this story, I think on the air one time. But
Speaker 1: back at the end of training camp, trying to cut
Speaker 1: down the roster and all that, I asked a few
Speaker 1: people like, are we sure that Donovan Wilson is safe?
Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't done a whole lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: he got a lot of other safeties. I mean, does
Speaker 1: he have to make the team. And someone told me
Speaker 1: that Donovan, that dan Quinn had said the one player
Speaker 1: he's the most excited about this year was Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: and how the different things he can do with him.
Speaker 1: What he did. He leads to the team and tackles,
Speaker 1: He's got sacks, he's got fumbles, pressures. Yeah, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: he was. He was an aggressive. He was one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why your run defense got better is a year,
Speaker 1: I mean him, vander esh curse, you know, Hankins. They
Speaker 1: got better. They had problems, they had problems early in
Speaker 1: the year, and they didn't just put their head in
Speaker 1: the sand. They tried a bunch of guys at corner,
Speaker 1: they tried a bunch of guys at slot. They went
Speaker 1: and got a big time A guy made a trade,
Speaker 1: a small trade to get a big time body inside. Ah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know. You you you got to
Speaker 1: give these coaches a lot of credit along with the
Speaker 1: personnel staff for what they were able to do. He's
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent to Donovan Wilson, and
Speaker 1: and I just wonder if dan Quinn does take another job. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know that that's going to be one of his
Speaker 1: first guys that he's trying to take because he, like
Speaker 1: I said, he had a vision for him and he
Speaker 1: knows what to do is he's just a unique player.
Speaker 1: But you know the Cowboys can can do something about
Speaker 1: that that too. You know, I'm not saying you franchise
Speaker 1: tag him, but you know they can do something. They're
Speaker 1: gonna lose some guys they probably don't want to lose yet,
Speaker 1: free agents. Let's go ahead and take our first break
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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you guys, this is all a
Speaker 1: suit of thinking, you know, hypotheticals. We don't know if
Speaker 1: any of these coaches are leaving or anything. Like that
Speaker 1: just yet. But if dan Quinn does end up leaving,
Speaker 1: what's something that you feel he might be able to
Speaker 1: leave behind. I can stay here with the Cowboys because
Speaker 1: he's no, no, no, I'm saying just whatever in general,
Speaker 1: because we know if he's yes, like the stamp he
Speaker 1: put on this yeah, yes, he said it, he said it.
Speaker 1: I mean he turned Michael Parsons into a two way
Speaker 1: rusher and linebacker. That was a that's a huge, huge
Speaker 1: thing that that he that he put on the on
Speaker 1: this team. But you know, that's a tough question because
Speaker 1: when you get a new person again, this is all hypothetical,
Speaker 1: but welcome to the offseason, because that's what you know,
Speaker 1: the words might and could and should and maybe perhaps
Speaker 1: all all come into play here. So um, a new
Speaker 1: new coordinator is going to also have you know, his
Speaker 1: role on it as well, and he's gonna say, well,
Speaker 1: I like to do things a little bit different and
Speaker 1: and that's and that's okay too, because as great as
Speaker 1: dan Quinn was and is as a and you you'd
Speaker 1: hate to miss him. You know, this defense, they they
Speaker 1: they had some some problems. I mean, there was some
Speaker 1: some times like the Eagles game and this game here
Speaker 1: where they needed to get the ball back and get
Speaker 1: off the field, and an eight minute drive kept them
Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: critical of a team that gave up nineteen points to
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, but you know they had their
Speaker 1: moments too. They didn't get the turnover that on defense
Speaker 1: that that the forty nine ers did. Um, so there's
Speaker 1: room for improvement. But man, is they're going to be
Speaker 1: completely missed if if they do. When you look at
Speaker 1: everything we had before that, Oh yeah, this is like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I'm not I'm not being critical, but
Speaker 1: it's you know, Dan Quinn would sit in that chair
Speaker 1: or right there and he would say, hey, we we
Speaker 1: we needed to do better. We had to get off
Speaker 1: the field and make stopped. So there's room for improvement
Speaker 1: with the defense. What area of the defense do you
Speaker 1: think was the strength of this team? What what position group?
Speaker 1: H I would probably say, you're defensive ends, defensive line,
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. But we know it took
Speaker 1: kind of like a dip. Yeah, as the season went on,
Speaker 1: you know, they started really really good and then eventually
Speaker 1: opposing teams started kind of figuring them out. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what you need to worry about. Like if Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn were to go, who would he take off staff? Right?
Speaker 1: If you really feel like, you know, with a D
Speaker 1: as the defensive line coach always Jack his name and
Speaker 1: it's called dirty and dirty. Yeah, So if you if
Speaker 1: you were if you felt like that was the strength
Speaker 1: of your team, of your defense, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden Dan leaves and he takes a D with him.
Speaker 1: You know, now you've weakened not only your coordinator, but
Speaker 1: you've weakened a position that you felt like got better
Speaker 1: as the year went on. And so you know, now
Speaker 1: it comes down to, well, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: Joe Witt? You know, how do you feel about George
Speaker 1: Edwards who has been you know, those guys have been
Speaker 1: coordinators before. You know, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: You know? Or do you do you go out? Do
Speaker 1: you go out and get somebody else? Do you go
Speaker 1: out and get Vic Fangio from you know he used
Speaker 1: to be at Denver who was a head coach and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, do you go out and
Speaker 1: then you get a Brian Flores who used to be
Speaker 1: with you know when he's with New England and then
Speaker 1: and then the Dolphins. You know, do you go because
Speaker 1: the one thing I would do me personally, I think
Speaker 1: that it proved by going and getting dan Quinn, going
Speaker 1: to getting dan Quinn, it proved it going outside your
Speaker 1: comfort bubble of who you you you know, because his
Speaker 1: first staff here were guys that he knew. It was.
Speaker 1: It was guys he'd worked with. It was it was
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Philbin's offensive line coach. It's it's Scott Tolzine,
Speaker 1: who he had before. You know, he was a coach,
Speaker 1: a player and all that. It was Mike Nolan who
Speaker 1: his dad, Mike gave him, but not his dad, Mike
Speaker 1: gave him a job. It was Jim tom Sula who
Speaker 1: kept him around in San Francisco. Sometimes hiring your friends
Speaker 1: as a terrible idea, a terrible idea. And if we learned,
Speaker 1: if Mike McCarthy learned anything, open that net up, cast
Speaker 1: that net big, you know, cast the net big, and
Speaker 1: go and talk to these guys that I just mentioned,
Speaker 1: whether it was that guy in Denver, that guy with
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's in Pittsburgh. Now what floor is,
Speaker 1: you know, go out and talk to these guys. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be some coaches that are that are getting let
Speaker 1: off staffs right now that might be worth your while.
Speaker 1: Don't just sit there and say, well, I'm really comfortable
Speaker 1: with George Edwards. Yeah, continuity and stuff's good, it really is.
Speaker 1: But they prove continuity with the offensive line. They could
Speaker 1: you could play with it. You can, you can, you
Speaker 1: don't have to have it, you know, I'm I'm to me.
Speaker 1: When you start hiring like minded people all the time,
Speaker 1: your team doesn't go anywhere. You don't go anywhere. Hire
Speaker 1: people that might be smarter than you. You know, that's
Speaker 1: that is a really interesting dilemma because you you are
Speaker 1: right when it comes to that this team that even
Speaker 1: the defense, everything needs a little bit of a jolt um.
Speaker 1: And that's the balance. I think that's so tough for
Speaker 1: owners GM's head coaches in any level is do you
Speaker 1: want to shake it up and try to take that
Speaker 1: next level or are you want to stick with the
Speaker 1: continuity and the building process and go, hey, we're right there,
Speaker 1: we really want to tinker with it. We you know,
Speaker 1: were right there. I tend to agree with you that
Speaker 1: maybe a different voice is needed, especially on offense. Yeah
Speaker 1: for Dak, but for defense. That's a tricky one too.
Speaker 1: I could I could definitely love to be a fly
Speaker 1: on the wall in that room that says, hey, we're
Speaker 1: right there, guys, George Edwards or whoever has been here,
Speaker 1: let's let them be the d s. He knows Mica,
Speaker 1: he knows what he can do, he knows how you know,
Speaker 1: he knows these guys. But I could also understand this
Speaker 1: what is this getting you? Yeah, getting you to this play.
Speaker 1: It got you the wild card, it got you the divisional,
Speaker 1: it got you the turnovers to got you the sacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes players need something different. Yeah, you know, sometimes players
Speaker 1: all of a sudden come in and they're like going,
Speaker 1: huh oh. Dan Quinn was a lot different than Mike Nolan,
Speaker 1: a lot different, and it's what they needed. You know.
Speaker 1: As long as Will I have full faith, I think
Speaker 1: we all do have full faith that Will McClay is
Speaker 1: going to understand what kind of players because he's always
Speaker 1: going to ask the coaches. He's always gonna now he
Speaker 1: will say, well, listen, you really want that guy or
Speaker 1: we got this guy. So that's where it's gonna come to.
Speaker 1: That's where Dan and Will worked out the best because
Speaker 1: they were shoulder to shoulder on a lot of these players.
Speaker 1: But you look at what the defense approved. The defense
Speaker 1: got better with a different voice with Kellen it it's good,
Speaker 1: But is it dan Quinn level how we've seen? You know,
Speaker 1: I think everybody on that follows his team would say
Speaker 1: they have a hell of a lot more confidence in
Speaker 1: this defense than they do the offense, you know, and
Speaker 1: it might be that might be the changes that you
Speaker 1: have to make. And like I mentioned yesterday, Dak he
Speaker 1: hasn't heard a different type of voice really in his
Speaker 1: career just yet, so we don't truly know. And just
Speaker 1: like dan Quinn, he was able to get some players
Speaker 1: better than what they've been layers. Do you think, oh,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna he did he did something, He was
Speaker 1: able to make them better, So it could very well
Speaker 1: happen on the other side. Let's go ahead and take
Speaker 1: an early break. When we come back, we already have
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions coming in from fans, so we'll
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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to kind of knock them out real quick.
Speaker 1: First question, we know Jerry was able to do this
Speaker 1: last year, but do you guys think Jerry Jones could
Speaker 1: sweeten the pot for dan Quinn and somehow manage to
Speaker 1: keep him once again. I think he's already being paid
Speaker 1: like a head coach. He already is that. That's something
Speaker 1: I have that reported on reliable knowledge there for me,
Speaker 1: I am the connections that I have. You know, with Dan,
Speaker 1: I think there's I say this a bunch Nick will
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. There's only thirty two of these.
Speaker 1: You know dan Quinn is he has a hot commodity.
Speaker 1: He interviews very well. He comes off as a guy
Speaker 1: that has a plan, has answers. All you have to
Speaker 1: do is watch his tape from the last two years.
Speaker 1: Pull up any interview he's done, any press conference that
Speaker 1: he's done on Dallas Cowboys dot com, and watch how
Speaker 1: he interacts with the media, how he handles himself, how
Speaker 1: the players talk about him. You know this. You got
Speaker 1: really fortunate last year that the Denver Broncos made a
Speaker 1: huge mistake. He was going to be their guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was going, and it's just there's too many there's
Speaker 1: too many, too many things happening right now that there's
Speaker 1: people that believe that the job that he's probably best
Speaker 1: suited for is the Colts job. That's the one where
Speaker 1: he'll have probably the least amount of interference. Denver could
Speaker 1: have some interference. Arizona could have some interference there. But
Speaker 1: he is he is, He is the number one or
Speaker 1: two candidate at all three of those spots. There's no
Speaker 1: way of sweetening it. Jerry did a great job. The inevitably,
Speaker 1: what happens is you're going to lose good people you
Speaker 1: are unless you know. Now he could he could say, Okay,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, you're not coaching anymore, and Dan you're the
Speaker 1: head coach, so you know, but that's not going to happen,
Speaker 1: all right, this person. Larry says, I don't think any
Speaker 1: offense coordinator offensive coordinator is the answer. Besides that option,
Speaker 1: what can be done to coach dak to see the
Speaker 1: field better? I disagree. I mean, I do think he's
Speaker 1: got to have a different coordinator, different system. I mean,
Speaker 1: like like we said earlier, Bryan said about about you
Speaker 1: know if zone defense is kind of the crux right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to have to that was a
Speaker 1: player that a player on a posing teams to that.
Speaker 1: And I know people reach a Twitter at me like wait,
Speaker 1: tour Philadelphia up and all that. I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not It's not me. It's it's me saying the
Speaker 1: player that he competed against this weekend, that was his
Speaker 1: observation or playing against. Danny's not the only one that
Speaker 1: says that, I mean, And that's that's been a criticism
Speaker 1: of that processing reading. Look at some of the intersect,
Speaker 1: look at a lot of the interceptions. A lot of
Speaker 1: them are have been like down the middle of the
Speaker 1: field where he's trying to eat him and you know, CD,
Speaker 1: you've got to get on the same page and things
Speaker 1: like that. Um I if you know, the question is
Speaker 1: doesn't need a new offensive order, that's fine. That that's
Speaker 1: an opinion. Uh, and maybe that won't happen. I kind
Speaker 1: of think it does. But but I think it's essentially
Speaker 1: we all agree that he just needs a different voice,
Speaker 1: whether that's somebody else that you bring. Because I've seen
Speaker 1: people kind of here bringing up the example as we
Speaker 1: mentioned I think it's different, but I think it's a
Speaker 1: different offense. Though I do think it's a different offense.
Speaker 1: It's he's got to understand the concepts of it, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's just not getting the same right now. I
Speaker 1: think that that different receivers, not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: different receivers, but I think just the concept of what
Speaker 1: they're doing. Speaking of different receiver, next question, should the
Speaker 1: Cowboys make a move on oh b J this offseason?
Speaker 1: We're doing that again? Yeah, I guess. So, you know what,
Speaker 1: you did cover a lot of ground with him last year,
Speaker 1: you did cover a lot well this year at the
Speaker 1: end of it. If he's healthy enough and you feel
Speaker 1: like that he could be a difference maker, and he could.
Speaker 1: You know, I really felt like that that the times
Speaker 1: that t Y Hilton got to play, I thought he
Speaker 1: was a difference maker. Could could Odell be even a
Speaker 1: bigger one? Absolutely? So I would I would revisit that.
Speaker 1: I would revisit only but once you find out what
Speaker 1: that money is going to be, it might turn you
Speaker 1: away from that. Yeah. So you know, I've already sad.
Speaker 1: Like We've got the draft show kicking off tomorrow Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 1: This week. There's a lot of really good wide receivers
Speaker 1: you're picking down there with twenty six, twenty seven somewhere
Speaker 1: right around there. You know, I think that thing could
Speaker 1: stretch for you for some receivers. You know, it looks
Speaker 1: pretty deep already. I know some people will probably disagree
Speaker 1: with that. I think it looks like a pretty good group.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. With Odell, I think the money's
Speaker 1: probably gonna keep you from doing that. Yeah. For me,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I've said this before. I believe
Speaker 1: that you've got to steal some playmakers. You've got to
Speaker 1: get some cheap playmakers, and I don't think that's one
Speaker 1: of them. You're looking at your third receiver that's going
Speaker 1: to cost a lot, probably like what a second receiver
Speaker 1: would make. I don't. I don't think so. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if they're everyone in the building
Speaker 1: over here believes that that, you know, he's going to
Speaker 1: do everything he needs to do to be healthy and
Speaker 1: rehab his knee and all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 1: I don't think so to me. Receiver or running back
Speaker 1: in the first round, Cashi Spton real quick though. If
Speaker 1: there is a new coordinator the first thing if I'm
Speaker 1: Mike mccurthy or Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones or Will McClay
Speaker 1: that I ask is, tell me how you're going to
Speaker 1: get Michael Gallop going. I'm not worried so much about
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb, tell me how you're going to get Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop going. That would be one of the first questions
Speaker 1: I would ask, Like, huge miss this year, I think,
Speaker 1: and and he honestly he did better quote unquote coming
Speaker 1: back from that injury, like to start off the year.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to be ready that soon, even
Speaker 1: though he wasn't an impactful player throughout the season. He's
Speaker 1: like a moody player, not not not personality wise, but
Speaker 1: like you don't know what you're getting with him. When
Speaker 1: he has a big game, you're like, Okay, Gallop, he's back,
Speaker 1: he's ready, and then he does nothing. And then when
Speaker 1: you write him off, you're like, this guy's just running
Speaker 1: around Tampa game. So he's hard to figure out. Maybe
Speaker 1: with coming back from the injury, you know, and they
Speaker 1: knew the first year would be tough, but but I
Speaker 1: don't know you needed more from your number two guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it is, And you know, I think early
Speaker 1: on confidence was a factor there. I just think there's
Speaker 1: also some things that it seemed like that every ball
Speaker 1: that was thrown to him was probably one he was
Speaker 1: making a contested catch or trying to get it. Just
Speaker 1: never seemed like it was. The Tampa game was the
Speaker 1: one game where it was kind of like, all right,
Speaker 1: they got him going, here we go every other pass,
Speaker 1: every I mean, and I saw a stat the other
Speaker 1: day that he had more games with zero yards than
Speaker 1: he had with fifty yards in a game, you know,
Speaker 1: So that just that that just tells you right there
Speaker 1: the struggles that you were kind of dealing with with him,
Speaker 1: and hopefully you can get him going if there is
Speaker 1: a new coordinator or they need to go back with
Speaker 1: the current one and kind of figure those things out.
Speaker 1: I would like to see a wide receiver added to
Speaker 1: this team that could at least compete for a bench press,
Speaker 1: you know, competition, I mean, just a little bit more strength.
Speaker 1: We got, we got some We got some guys that
Speaker 1: are lean and and you know, quick and fast and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But I'm not saying you gotta go
Speaker 1: get DK Metcalf or the aj Browns of the world.
Speaker 1: They're nice though, but it'd be nice to have, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that type of receiver. I think I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind a guy like that. You know, last year,
Speaker 1: like Treylan Burks was was was a player like that.
Speaker 1: He's not you know, he's not like tough man competition,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's a bigger, strong guy and very
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel h. Yeah, and that receiver will be there
Speaker 1: later in the first round because he won't run a
Speaker 1: four three, he'll just run a four to five. But
Speaker 1: he bench twenty two times and he's a tough Yeah,
Speaker 1: Adze type of guy, you know that, that type of guy.
Speaker 1: You know, Amari was a little bulky. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get get into that again. But he didn't play, No,
Speaker 1: not the same. He was a very good route runner,
Speaker 1: but he didn't play. I was just talking physically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit of the type. Yeah, but okay, final
Speaker 1: question before we end the show, running back question, running
Speaker 1: back question. If the Cowboys don't trust Zeke to run
Speaker 1: the ball in the second half of that game, does
Speaker 1: that tell you anything about if he should be here
Speaker 1: next year on the same contract. And this is something
Speaker 1: that has to come up here in the past couple
Speaker 1: of days, some reports coming out saying that he would
Speaker 1: possibly be open to taking a pay cut to stay
Speaker 1: here in Dallas, and he's mentioned it to the media
Speaker 1: that he would like to say in Dallas. So if
Speaker 1: that's the case, if he does accept and there is
Speaker 1: a change in the contract, then a pay cut, would
Speaker 1: you be willing to keep a guy like Zeke here
Speaker 1: in Dallas. I don't think I'm moving on. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I'm moving on. I mean, I think he
Speaker 1: was very emotional about after the game because he kind
Speaker 1: of knew what was happening. These players understand. I look
Speaker 1: at the draft, I look at the possibilities. You're probably
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Pollard, you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens with Zeke. But I think now it's just time.
Speaker 1: It's that you need to roll it, you know. You mean,
Speaker 1: if you're going to allocate money to Zeke, is that
Speaker 1: dollars well spent, even reduced dollars. I mean that can
Speaker 1: mean somebody else. Maybe it's two players, like they talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, going and Jerry like to say, well get
Speaker 1: rid of Randy Gregor, I get three guys. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe you're now in that mode where you move on
Speaker 1: from Zeke, you can get two more guys. And that's
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that's the mindset you need
Speaker 1: to have, right. I love the fact that he's willing
Speaker 1: to do that, and and and he doesn't really want
Speaker 1: to start over. You know, he's he's he's not for everybody.
Speaker 1: He's got a nice comfortable situation here. They know Zeke,
Speaker 1: they know who he is. They you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: probably want to start over and do all that. But
Speaker 1: but it's the role. I mean, think about even if
Speaker 1: it's down to a five million dollars, well, think about
Speaker 1: you gotta draft somebody and then you got you got Pollard.
Speaker 1: You got to figure out how to do that. And
Speaker 1: then word's his role. And none of them are going
Speaker 1: to play special teams. So so what are we paying
Speaker 1: for here if he's not going to be the one
Speaker 1: or even the two? You know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: hate that his final play with the Cowboys could be
Speaker 1: at center when he gets blown up from the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, like that, But it also shows this guy,
Speaker 1: this guy is one of the best teammates will Cowboys
Speaker 1: gonna have? And and I have a I do have
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for for Zeke and when you
Speaker 1: look at how the career started on and off the field,
Speaker 1: and it's it's changed. He's changed more when you think
Speaker 1: about what he's a declining player, of course most running
Speaker 1: backs are. But the difference between him running the football
Speaker 1: his first year and running the football this year is
Speaker 1: not as much of a change as him off the
Speaker 1: field and now and him growing as he is matured
Speaker 1: way more than he's decreased as a player. That's true.
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