1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, everybody, 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Wednesday, April otherwise 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: known as NFL Draft Eve. I know everybody's very excited. 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: We have a great guest to commemorate the eve of 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: the Draft. I'm so excited. I'm so pumped up the Draft. 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: We're doing a lot at Fox Sports. I'm sure you 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: guys saw the announcement on Tuesday morning that there is 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: going to be a draft show. It's me and a 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: bunch of other guys at Fox. Obviously, I'm very excited 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: for the gambling angle. I will be talking a lot 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: about my New York Jets on the Draft show. I 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: have made my point to the powers that be we 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: must talk Jets. So there will be a lot of Jets, 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: not a lot, you know, it's the Jets. They're kind 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: of irrelevant, but I'm fired up and passionate about them, 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: so we'll do a lot of Jets chatter on the 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: Fox show. That Draft show is Thursday night. And um, 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: before we get to the draft guest, who is phenomenal today? 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Tom Pelisaro, NFL Network guy I work with actually at 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: USA Today, Really sharp, NFL mind talks to a lot 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: of people. Listen, the NFL reporting job is, you know, 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: literally an eleven month a year job. It's a grind. 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: And if I learned nothing from Adrian Wrgnarowski, who I 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: worked with back in the day at a newspaper, You've 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: got to continually update your contacts, reach out to him, 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: not just when there's news or when you think there's 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: gonna be news, just keeping that open relationship. And Tom 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: Pelisar does that as well as anyone. And he's plugged 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: in on the draft. Let's just say, Um, I really 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: grill him on these damn Alabama receivers who are so 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: fun to watch, but my gosh, taking him top ten, 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a mistake for somebody. And we do 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: a little San Francisco at three and um mac Jones 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: will we'll get into it. I think you guys would 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: like that. Before I get to the interview, you just 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: want to remind everybody subscribe rate review podcast is popping, 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: always enjoy your comments on iTunes. We'll start giving out well. 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: I remember we were giving away money during football season 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: because the gambling was going so well, just not as 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: much to gamble on. Maybe we'll resurrect that for the 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: NBA playoffs and uh yeah, I think we'll do some 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: gambling on the NBA playoffs. We had some success last year. 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: Quick word on the NBA before we get to Draft night. 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: The Warriors got destroyed. And it's funny. When the Warriors win, 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: I'm always chirping and it's like, oh, Steph Curry, Oh 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: this is fun. Oh, look at the Warriors. It's great 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: for the league. And then as soon as the Warriors lose, 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: all I do is hear from you guys. Hey, you're 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: quiet on the Warriors. Tonight they were down fifty to 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: the MAVs at home. Yep, I was playing Madden. I'm 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: not Madden two K against my son and I shockingly 52 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: lost twice. So I'm sorry I missed Luca. And the 53 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: MAVs are ripping the Warriors to shreds um that happened. Also, 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: the Bucks winning again, keeping pressure on the Sixers, and yes, 55 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: the Sixers for two because Brooklyn's not giving it up. 56 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Now that k D's back, KD and Kyrie comfortably the 57 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: number one seed, I will say the Celtics have lost 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: four or five. They played the Thunder last night and 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: it's funny because the Thunder I've had lost fourteen in 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: a row. They're awful, they're tanking, and the Celtics said, oh, 61 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: let's try to steal one with adjacent Tatum rest day, 62 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: no Kambra, no Tatum, and they lose the Thunder. So 63 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: the Celtics have now lost four or five the Celtics, 64 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: folks could end up in the plan. I thought it 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: would be the Hawks of the Knicks, but it's looking 66 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: like it might be the Celtics or Heat. And I 67 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: don't really think you wanna end up in the plane 68 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: because if you get the eight seed, Brooklyn's gonna be 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: extremely tough. I know I've said for the longest time 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: the Celtics will be a challenge for them, but man, 71 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: um this cratering. I thought second round the Celtics could 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: do some damage, but opening round, drawing the nets, that 73 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: could get ugly. Um. So that's the NBA for the night, 74 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: not like a great night in the NBA, but the 75 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: next basically two nights will be all consumed by the draft. 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: As we get the rumors Wednesday night, that's tonight, and 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: as we get the draft Thursday night that's tomorrow night. 78 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: And then second and third round Friday, and then of 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: course Saturday, more draft stuff. So big few days ahead. 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: For the time being, let's enjoy our guest, Tom Pellosaro 81 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com and the NFL Network. Jason likes to 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: think he knows everything when it comes to sports. I 83 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: know what sports stands want, but for everything he doesn't. 84 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 85 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. 86 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A guy I 87 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: worked with a little bit briefly at USA. Today he's 88 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: now big time NFL Network on TV five six, seven 89 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: days a week. Tom Pello sorrow, Tom, How you doing? Man? 90 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: Doing good? Jason, good to see it. I yeah, it's 91 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: it's been a while, it has but I appreciate you, 92 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: appreciate you having me. And we're thirty seconds into this. 93 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: My phone hasn't run yet, so we're off to a 94 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: good start. That's great. That that is good. Now, UM, 95 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: before we start the podcast, Uh, you know I was 96 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: talking to Tom. He's in uh, Minnesota. UM, and obviously 97 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: Trey Lance is from Minnesota. And I don't know, Tom, 98 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: do we want to start with Trey Lance? I just 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: I can't get over what's happening at three. It sounds 100 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: like it's down to Lance and Mac Jones, and I'm 101 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: just still so perplexed by all of it. Can you 102 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: make any sense of this with the forty Niners? Is it? 103 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Is it really Kyle Shanahan's arrogance. I mean, I certainly 104 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's Kyle Shanahan's arrogance. He knows though, what 105 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: he wants in his quarterback, and that's founded from you know, 106 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: twenty years in the league, plus growing up in it 107 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: with his dad, Mike, who's still very involved with the 108 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: with the forty Niners organization. You know, for Kyle, the 109 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: two things that you always hear that he and his 110 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: staff value in quarterbacks are quick processing and accuracy. If 111 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: Mac Jones has two talents, it's quick processing and accuracy. 112 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: And you see that on the Alabama tape. It's been 113 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: evident to everybody who has spent time with Jones in 114 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: the pre draft process he obviously with his shirt off, 115 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: does not look like Trey Lance or justin fields. He 116 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have the athletic ability. Although his numbers weren't as 117 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: bad as everybody was expecting. The Pro day he wanted 118 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: to go all the other quarterbacks said I'm not gonna 119 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: run the forty or I'm not gonna do the drills 120 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: like he did them. He wanted to show that he 121 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: was willing to compete. Uh. And so you understand it 122 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: from that perspective. The way that Mac Jones profiles, I 123 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: mean a little bit like you know, Kirk Cousins and 124 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: Matt Shop and some of the other quarterbacks Coles had 125 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: success with. I've had coaches who have watched all Mac 126 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Jones tape and say, you know, they're not going to 127 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: compare it to Joe Burrow, but there are some things 128 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: that are similar to Joe Burrow, just because Joe Burrow 129 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: didn't have a lead athletic ability, he did not have 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: an elite arm. He was a guy who was a 131 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: mid round graded prospect, probably a Day three prospect coming 132 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: off his eighteen tape at l s U. Joe Brady 133 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: gets there, Burrow takes off through fifty touchdown passes, clear 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft with Mac Jones also 135 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: one year producer seventeen career starts, the same number as 136 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: Trey Lance, albeit at a different against a different level 137 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: of competition. But Mac Jones really accurate makes up for 138 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: what he lacks. Had good players around him, so did Burrow. 139 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: You know, played from a lot of clean pockets. You 140 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen him half this short step or no step, 141 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: a whole lot of throws. All those are fair questions 142 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: with Trey Lands again, same number of college starts. Trey 143 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Lance did not lose. His team did not lose a 144 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: single game at North Dakota State that he started, although 145 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: they're also much more talented than everybody else on the 146 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: field and won like five of the last six FCS 147 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: titles or whatever it is with Lance, the biggest hole 148 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: that coaches poke in him in particular is accuracy. You know, 149 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: coaches don't watch college tape during the season a lot 150 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: of times. Normally it's before the Combine. This year was 151 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: more so going to the Pro Day, so March last month, 152 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: coach started digging into the tape. If they had any 153 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: exposure to Tray Lance, it was because they were TV 154 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: scouting the game against Central Arkansas last year, which was terrible. 155 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: Lance played badly. You know, he's fifteen thirty passing. He 156 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: just kind of used his legs in the second half, 157 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: but was not accurate, missed too many throws. I had 158 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: one quarterbacks coach to me say, they told me to 159 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: watch this guy, and I thought I was watching the 160 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: wrong guy. I said him, this is the guy we're 161 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: talking about, you know. But what everybody loves with Trey 162 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: Lance is the other stuff. Obviously the size, the athletic ability, 163 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: the arm, but it's also the intangibles. The football i Q, 164 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: the intelligence, the work ethic, the leadership. All that stuff 165 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: is so off the charts. I had one college scouting 166 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: director who was talking about you know, Central Effine, Arkansas, like, 167 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: are you kidding? This guy's that played email and anyone 168 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: better than James Masson. But he goes No matter who 169 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: you talked to about Trey Lance, they all say, the 170 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: intangibles really are that far off the charts. So whatever 171 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: his ceiling is, he's going to reach it and shout 172 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: out to James Madison where I graduated from, thank you 173 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: for that, and not come that. Let me back up 174 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: a little to processing, because this is a thing that 175 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, I can't find the link. Somebody sent me 176 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: one where um I guess uh an NFL website, NFL 177 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: Draft Network or some some drafts website tried to break 178 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: down who passed the most to their second read, and 179 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: I guess Matt Jones passed less to his second read 180 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: than justin Fields. And this idea of processing, like you know, Tom, 181 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: when you are in that Bama offense behind two offensive 182 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: linemen who are all Americans, and you've got you know, 183 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: basically two two of the best receivers in the country, 184 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: and you've got Naja Harris, Like, I mean, Alabama was 185 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: stacked last year. Have we not seen this from Tua? 186 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: And then he gets to the league and it's like whoa, 187 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: uh what do we have here? And Miami was ready 188 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: to part with two to get to Shahn Watson. Uh 189 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: to it did not look great. You know, this Sarkasian 190 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: offense was dynamite. But are we overvaluing Matt Jones a 191 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: little bit? I mean this is there's a guy who 192 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: last year starting for UAH through well not last year 193 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: his first year starting um two pick sixes against Auburn 194 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: that we're awful interceptions. You could go look those up 195 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: on YouTube, Like I don't, I just I don't see it. 196 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What's interesting on the processing is, you know, 197 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is a perfect example of this, and I 198 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: remember having a discussion years ago when Kyle Shanahan was 199 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: the Falcon's offensive coordinator and I went down to do 200 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: a story with him. We grabbed a couple of beers 201 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: near the facility. We were talking through it, and the 202 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: reason that he liked Cousins from day one, the reason 203 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: they draft him in the fourth round in the same 204 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: draft they took RG three, number two overall in was 205 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: because Kirk could see it and rip it. In the 206 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: early days for Kirk Cousins, that led to a lot 207 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: of interceptions because he's saying it, he's getting the ball 208 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: out and he's making the wrong decision. But he was 209 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: processing it correctly in terms of the way that he 210 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: was seeing the field. He just there were times where 211 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: the balls coming out so fast, he's looking at the 212 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: picture so quickly that he's missing something. That's what the 213 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: coaches are looking for, is just that ability to get 214 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: through both pre snap post step. I think sometimes processing 215 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: gets confused with intelligence. It's not always an intelligence things. 216 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: There are really smart guys who don't necessarily process quickly, 217 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: just like there are guys who may not be able 218 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: to you know, or guys who are not as smart 219 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: who do process really quickly. Some of that shows up 220 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: on tape, some of its evidence in you know when 221 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: you go through stuff on the board. Remember this was 222 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: a unique process where you could not as a team 223 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: go watch film with somebody. You couldn't have dinner with them, 224 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: you couldn't be in person with them drawing up stuff 225 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: on the board. All that had to take place on zoom. 226 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: And I had scouts months ago talking about how you know, 227 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: you were limited in terms of the board work you 228 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: could even do with some of these quarterbacks and other 229 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: players because it was solely dependent your ability to watch 230 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: tape was dependent on the WiFi connection of the player 231 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: who's at his parents house or wherever. So he got 232 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: like pixelated stuff and you can't really watch. I mean, 233 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: it was just it's a it's a clown show at times. 234 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean this stuff was harder to evaluate, 235 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. With Trey Lands, you don't 236 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: always see it on tape, but you see enough that 237 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: you think he can do it with justin fields. You 238 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: don't see the processing a lot on tape, But part 239 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: of that is the Ohio State offense and the way 240 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: that they trained the quarterbacks. There are things and I've 241 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: talked with John Beck about this, who's worked with a 242 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: lot of these quarterbacks, Justin Fields this year, he works 243 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: with Trey Lands, he works with Zach Wilson, And he said, yeah, 244 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: I watched Justin Fields tape. I had the same questions, like, 245 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: all right, you're looking for the deep shot, it's not there. 246 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: There's a you know, ten yard crosser right here. Why 247 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: aren't you throwing that? Why are you running out to 248 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: the right and take it off ferries Like, well, they 249 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: told me to read it here to hear, to hear, 250 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: Beck said, the more we talked about it, I could 251 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: see he knew what he was looking at. But he's 252 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: being coached differently, and so Ohio State vouches for Justin 253 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: Fields on that front, coaches who have spent time with 254 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: Justin Fields vouched for him to know he hasn't done 255 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: it because that offense does not ask him to do it, 256 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: but do they think based upon on their interactions with him. 257 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: The way that he talks about tape away, he talks 258 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: through place that he can do it, that he could 259 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: advance from that kind of rudimentary but very smart college 260 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: offensive Ohio State to everything You're gonna be asked to 261 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: do in the NFL. Yes, so can process and be overrated, 262 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: I think, but that is a core part of what 263 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan looks for in quarterbacks, and so you can 264 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: understand wherever they stand today, and that may evolve before 265 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: this podcast gets posted. For whatever they began at, though, 266 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: you can understand why Mac Jones was somebody who was 267 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: really intriguing to Yeah, I think, you know, it would 268 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: be good if everybody would just come out and agree 269 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: with this time that nobody knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. 270 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement? I mean, Lamar Jackson goes 271 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: thirty second? What he was? He the fifth quarterback taken 272 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: in the first round. I think that year Josh Rosen 273 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: might have gone forth and he already has an MVP 274 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: award and three playoff trips. Josh Allen couldn't hit the 275 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: broadside of a barn at Wyoming, but looks the part, 276 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, in what is this year 277 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: three or four he pops with Brian day Bole and WHOA, 278 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: this guy looks like to be an MVP contender. I 279 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: went back. I went back because somebody brought up some 280 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: old my I write the you know, the Quarterback Breakdown 281 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: every year at NFL dot Com. It goes back to 282 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: the USA Today days and somebody yesterday was like ripping 283 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: one of the coaches who was quoted on Josh Allen 284 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: three years ago. But like, I hope this guy is 285 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: not even in the league anymore. And I went back 286 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: and read it. One of the knox on Allen was 287 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: processing that he had seemed at times there were things 288 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: that weren't moving quickly enough. And the other one was accuracy. 289 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: And just right before we came on the show, the 290 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: reason I was a little late recording this and thanks 291 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: for bearing with me. So I was on the phone 292 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: with an executive for a team who has been in 293 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: the league for a long time and we're talking about 294 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: Trey Lance and he goes, I've never seen a quarterback 295 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: get better with accuracy until Josh Allen. That was the 296 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: whole thing. The saying has always been, Guys don't become 297 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: more accurate. There's a lot of things you can coach, 298 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: but if you're inaccurate, you stay inaccurate. And to the 299 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: credit of UH, Josh Allen as well as the coaching 300 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: staff UH in Buffalo, like he really has progressed and 301 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Brian Dable and company of on a really smart job 302 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the way that they have been able 303 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: to bring him along, Brandon being given him a ton 304 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: of weapons. You know, it's not it's not rocket science, 305 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: but he has overcome some odds here, even with all 306 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: the drops, even with all the ancillary factors to you know, 307 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: having I think it was like a fifty seven percent 308 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: completion rate was at Wyoming. He really has gotten better 309 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: and that's just not something that teams used to see it. 310 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: It hurts me when I hear that, like nobody's gotten 311 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: more accurate because Sam Donald, that was a knock on him, 312 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh he's not that accurate, and you're like, okay, fine, 313 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: first year not that accurate. Second was another guy. I mean, 314 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't strictly processing, but it was. There was kind 315 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of street ball to Sam Donald at 316 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: USC where he just kind of made things happen. He's 317 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: very athletic, got good arm talent, but you know, I 318 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: wasn't always playing within the within the scheme, and so 319 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: you thought he was twenty years old when he came 320 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: out in that draft. He ends up going number three 321 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: overall to the Jets, but it was like you were 322 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: gonna have a growth process. Well, he didn't have time. 323 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: And that's the other thing to remember. We can talk 324 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: all day about Terry Lance, perfect situation, go in, sit 325 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: for a year too, doesn't happen. You'd like it to happen. 326 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: You'd like everybody to be Jordan's love and have a 327 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: year or two years to sit and learn. But there's 328 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: so much pressure. If you're drafting a quarterback in the 329 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: top five, chances are you sucked last year, and chances 330 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: are you're gonna have to put the guy on the 331 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: field to try to save your job. You know, you 332 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: hate to say it, but it's it's the truth. And 333 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on these guys to play immediately. 334 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: Even as you look at this year's quarterbacks, and we 335 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: talked about five guys, Trevor Lawrence is gonna be starting 336 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: for Jacksonville week one, Zack Wilson, You would certainly expect 337 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: gon be starting week one to the New York Jets, 338 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, Trey Lance, whoever it is in San Francisco. 339 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: And this may be determined by which one of those 340 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: guys it is. They well, whether they're starting a Week 341 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: one or Jimmy Garoppolo, who's had a lot of injuries. 342 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: To Kyle Shanahan talked about in that press conference yesterday. 343 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: You can be forced into action week four, week seven. 344 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: You better be able to do it otherwise. You know, 345 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: people ask all the time, and I hear questions in 346 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: every press conference, like why why is the failure rates 347 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: so high for quarterbacks? Why the half of all first 348 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: round quarterbacks not work out? You can say it, you know, 349 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: bad scouting, It's mis evaluation. No one knows what they're 350 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: looking at. Context is everything is a lot. What are 351 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: your offensive line weapons? You know? Could you really get 352 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: an evaluation on Sam Donald last year? You know, even 353 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: setting aside some of the things in the past, the 354 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: mono and the other stuff, It's like all his offensive 355 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: linemen were banged up last year. McKay beck didn't, you know, 356 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: missed a little bit of time before he came black. 357 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: He played pretty well. You look at the receivers. They 358 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: were down, like at one point they were down like 359 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: their top five receivers. I mean, don't remind me, Tom, 360 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: I know this is but I'm like, listen, um, Kyle 361 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: Shanahan's gonna be drafting three. I would suspect who ever 362 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: he gets, he's gonna end up doing pretty well because 363 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan knows quarterbacks. Sam Donald is going to Joe Brady, 364 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: who's probably I would already say one of the best 365 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: ten offensive coordinators in the league. Um, I really like 366 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: what he's done already based on what he did at 367 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: LSU obviously, and there's a chance that Donald does really 368 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: well in Carolina. Whoever san Frame gets is pretty good. 369 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: We know Trevor Lawrence is going to be good, and 370 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: then Zach Wilson if he flops. And I mean the 371 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: first time offensive coordinator, right the kid la Fleur's brother, 372 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: Micha la Fleur, whose regards is really really sharp. You know, 373 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: he had a couple he had a couple of interviews 374 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: in this offseason with other teams and people watched away going, wow, man, 375 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: I had that conversation with another team, just like wow, 376 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: that guy is really really smart and he's trained under Kyle. 377 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the history of guys who 378 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: have come out of that system. You know it is 379 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, who's you know now in Green Bay and 380 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: has an unbelievable record through his first couple of years. Uh, 381 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, it is Sean McVeigh, who's still a really 382 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: bright offensive mind, and there's other guys within the league. 383 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith is running the same system he learned it from. 384 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about about McVeigh. So he had Golf, 385 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: who famously what didn't take a snap under center his 386 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 1: entire college career or some obscene number like that at 387 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: cal and Golf goes in, starts over seven with Jeff Fisher. 388 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: McVeigh comes there, boom, jump to light speed. All of 389 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: a sudden, Golf has them near the super Bowl, then 390 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, and then Golf has gone and 391 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: now he gets Matt Stafford, who kind of languished in 392 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: Detroit forever. And is there a chance that marriage works 393 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: so well that everybody all of a sudden says, oh, 394 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: maybe it was Detroit and they're coaching staff You know, 395 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: he kind of popped with Jim Bob Cooder and Stafford 396 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: had some moments. But there's a good chance that Stafford 397 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: really becomes all of a sudden elite and then it's like, oh, 398 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: this is the guy that everybody loved from high school 399 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: to college. This is Matt Stafford. I'd say, whatever shortcomings 400 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford has had had not been all on Matthew Stafford. 401 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason the Lions have has a 402 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: lot of reasons. The Lions haven't won a championship since 403 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven, you know, and I haven't want to 404 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: playoff games since or whatever that statistic is, uh, you know, 405 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: and they were just there. There were a lot of things. 406 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: There are a lot of changes. How many different coordinators 407 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: did he have, how many different head coaches? How many 408 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: total shifts in philosophy, which is why shortly after last 409 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: season ended, and this was I think there was a 410 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: misconception about this. It was right after the season and 411 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: last year, before Dan Campbell was in the picture, before 412 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes was in the picture, Stafford had already gone 413 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: to ownership and said, listen, I can't do this again. 414 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: I can't go through another one. It's the right time 415 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: for all of us into the Lions credit. They understood that, 416 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: they worked through that, they set deadlines, they moved quickly, 417 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: and they ended up getting what could be a haul. 418 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: You know, whatever Matthew Stafford does. If Jared Goff is 419 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: halfway decent and you've got a couple of first round 420 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: picks on top of it. I mean that could be 421 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 1: one of the great trades um that a team has 422 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: made in terms of, you know, what they were able 423 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: to get in return, you know, to the Rams. Of course, 424 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: Jared Goff had become a negative asset. They were ready 425 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: to move on. They had two years of guaranteed money. 426 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: They couldn't trade for Matthew Stafford unless they offloaded Jared 427 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: Goff and that's certainly impacted the price. But could Stafford 428 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: go and have a new level of success under McVeigh. Absolutely. 429 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: There's never been pressure like this on Matthew Stafford before. 430 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: Remember he's been playing in Detroit, where if they go 431 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: nine and seven and get in the playoffs, everyone's saying, 432 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: how can you make changes off? Jim Caldo has nine 433 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: and seven two straight years. Jim called us a great guy. 434 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: He's a really good goa. But like there's this idea 435 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: that well nine and seven like he got he was 436 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: nine and seven, like that success in Detroit in l 437 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: A with the Rams, nine and seven is gonna be 438 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: a failure. So there's a lot of pressure on Matthew Stafford. 439 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of pressure on Sean McVeigh. Not that 440 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying that, you know, if it doesn't work out, 441 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: he's gonna be washed out of there. But there's just 442 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: there's this different level now of expectations, and I'm sure 443 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: that Sean McVeigh is gonna have some things that he's 444 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: gonna want Matthew Stafford to adjust. Every coach who comes 445 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: out of that system has things they want to adjust. 446 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: You talk about Jared Goff never been under center. Sean 447 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: McVeigh totally overhauled his footwork. Uh, there's little things in 448 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: that offense, like the quarterback has to turn his back 449 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage on play action that a 450 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks don't do. Matt Ryan had never done that. 451 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: Prior to Kyle Shanahan getting to Atlanta, Matt Ryan had 452 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: never turned his back to the to the lave of 453 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: scrimmage on play action. I've talked about this with Kyle, 454 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: I talked about it with Matt All these things are 455 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: just like a little bit different, his right foot forward 456 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: instead of his left. Basics of the offense. Zack Wilson 457 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: with the Jets, I don't know exactly what their plan 458 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: is going to be, so I'm not gonna, you know, 459 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: speak on behalf of the Jets, but you would expect 460 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson's got some pretty free William mechanics now, and 461 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: that's something that he has honed with John Beck. He's 462 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: honed it with the approval of the b y U 463 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff. I mean, he's got that almost mahomes like 464 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: mechanics where it looks like he's turning too as second 465 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: base a lot of the time, flicking the ball across 466 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: his body, not getting his feet around. That's not really 467 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: how the quarterback traditionally is played in that that Shanahan 468 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: style offense. So it'll be fascinating to see, you know, 469 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: how they develop him in another place that you know, 470 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: let's face at Jason, you know this cheering for that team, 471 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: year old life. That is a pressure cooker type of 472 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: an environment in New York Wind Loser draw. It's gonna 473 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: be Zach Wilson's face next to Robert Sali is on 474 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: the back page of the post. Fox Sports Radio has 475 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all 476 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and 477 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: within the I Heart Radio app search f s R 478 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: to listen live. Let me quickly on the Lions um 479 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: New head coach Dan Campbell new o C I believe 480 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: is Anthony Lynn Jared Goff the presume starter. But there 481 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: is chatter this week that the Lions are looking at 482 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: Justin Fields and listen, I don't want to wish any 483 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: ill on anyone, but they just lost Holiday. They just 484 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: lost I think their second best receiver. I mean, whoever 485 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: goes to Detroit is if they take a quarterback eight 486 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: I it's it's probably not gonna end. Well is that 487 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: a safe assumption. I know Anthony Lynn had been good previously, 488 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: but my goodness, um, you know this is a guy 489 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: who wanted to go with Tyrod Taylor and we all 490 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: saw Justin Herbert absolutely crush it the second he was 491 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: in the game. I'm super intrigued by the coaching staff 492 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: that they have put together in Detroit. I mean I 493 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 1: would intrigue. You mean, like your eyebrows raising? Like what? No? Like? 494 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean, let's start with this. I've said this before, 495 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: but I would take the Lions coaching staff playing at 496 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: seven on seven football game over any other coaching staff 497 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: in the entire league. They've got all these former players, 498 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: from Dan Campbell to Mark Brunell to uh Anthony Lynn, 499 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: Antoine Randall l is on the staff. I mean, they 500 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: got some dudes on that team, and that's that's gonna 501 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: bring a little bit different energy. Remember, Dan Campbell also 502 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: was a player in Detroit, so he knows all the 503 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: things that have have ailed the Lion's organization. He knows 504 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: the general negativity in the media there and the fan 505 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: base there. They want to think everything is a failure. Immediately. 506 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: You know, Campbell's gotten crap about the biting off kneecaps thing. 507 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: It's like the default joke for everyone. But like everyone 508 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: thought this was like some kind of a you know, 509 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: tough guy act. Whatever. Know, that's Dan Campbell. That's the 510 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: guy that people loved in Miami. They loved him in 511 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: New Orleans. He had a big role presenting to the 512 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: team there, his assistant head coach. Players are gonna want 513 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: to play for this guy, and so I think that 514 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: you have to take this new regime on its own, 515 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, between Dan Campbell, Brad Holmes, John Dorsey, who 516 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: was one of the best value wears in the league 517 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: is an executive with the Lions, so he's involved right 518 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: now in their draft process. They've got a lot of 519 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: smart people. I don't know that you know, sitting here 520 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: today and we're a little over forty eight hours out 521 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: from the draft. I don't know that I buy them 522 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: taking a quarterback and seven. What I can tell you 523 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: is they, along with the Panthers in some extent, the Broncos, 524 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: have got a lot of phone calls from teams moving up. 525 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: The big question for everybody asked themselves in this draft 526 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: is how far you want to go back? Because in 527 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: a normal draft, when you talk to teams, there's thirty 528 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: two picks in the first round. Most teams are gonna 529 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: have eighteen twenty maybe two twenty two players with first 530 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: round grades. This year, you talk to teams and there's 531 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: like fourteen, sixteen, maybe seventeen first round grades, meaning if 532 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: you're in the back half a round one, you are 533 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: choosing from a pool of second round players. So there's 534 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: gonna be great variability in the boards for different teams 535 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: from let's say pick seventeen to pick forty seven or 536 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: fifty seven, and so you're gonna get more surprise. Name 537 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: was guys do you go? That was in no mock draft. 538 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: I listed some of them, uh in a story today. 539 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: Javonte Williams, the running back from North Carolina's got some 540 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: real fans. Would not surprise me if he ends up 541 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: sneaking into round one. The two Georgia corners, Tyson Campbell 542 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: and Eric Stokes both ran really fast that their pro day. Uh. 543 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: You know, ball skills are kind of a question, but 544 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: Stokes had four picks last year. Campbell tied for the 545 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: team leading past breakups. There's not a lot of corners. 546 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: You got the top two guys we're gonna come off 547 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: in in Horn and cir Tan. Big questions on Caleb 548 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: Farley because of the twin back surgery since the last 549 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: played a game. But those could be the next couple 550 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: of corners who are coming off the board. Some receivers 551 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: gaining steam. Elijah More from Old miss I would expect 552 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: as of this as of right now, that he ends 553 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: up going uh in the first round. And then tackles. 554 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's no real interior offensive lineman, there's no 555 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: defensive tackles. There's no safeties who are sure bets to 556 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: go in the first round. Normally those are the positions 557 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: from twenty to thirty two. When you run out of players, 558 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: you go safe. Pick inter the offensive lineman, interior defensive lignement, 559 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: you know, safety, they're not there. There could be some 560 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: guys who go the TCU safety. Trevor Morrigan is one 561 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: who potentially will go in the first but it's gonna 562 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: be wide open really through the you know, through the 563 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: second round and all the way into day three. When 564 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: you consider the fact that you've got decentralized medicals, they're 565 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: only a hundred fifty players less than a hundred fifty. 566 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: You went to the comedy get the full medical. Everybody 567 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: else was getting uh medical. All the other Combine guys 568 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: were getting medicals in their home cities. And if you 569 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: were in a Combine invite, you're under no obligation to 570 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: go get an m r I for anybody. So teams 571 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: are kind of patchworking this themselves. You don't have top 572 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: thirty visits. You can't bring people into your facility. I mean, 573 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: there are gonna be guys you take. The joke last 574 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: year was we're taking guys on day three, we haven't 575 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: shaken their hands. The joke this year is, we're taking 576 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: guys on day three. We haven't shaken their hand. We 577 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: don't know how tall they are, we don't know what 578 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: they weigh, we don't know what kind of forty they run. 579 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: We don't know what's in their medical file. Because if 580 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: a guy just says I can't make it for an 581 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: m R, I that end, and then you shouldn't. You 582 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: just shouldn't draft him. And that's exactly it. You may 583 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: see teams leaning on Power five players on Day three. 584 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: It may be leaning on guys who just have the 585 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: cleaner medicals, Guys who have character issues and otherwise would 586 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: be late day to Day three picks. They may not 587 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: go at all. They may be priority free agents, just 588 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: because you know, every team right now two is trying 589 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: to deal their six seventh round picks for future picks. 590 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to make those picks here, but there's no 591 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: one to trade them to, and so everybody's gonna end 592 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: up kind of stuck here. It's a really unique dynamic. 593 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: But hell man, we've been in a unique dynamic for 594 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: four teen months here. We've done it once already. This 595 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: will just be the second time through. All Right, we'll 596 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: do a couple of rapid fire here's to wrap up. Um, 597 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: do either of the small Alabama receivers go in the 598 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: top ten your guests? I would say one, if not 599 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: two of them end up going into top ten, and 600 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: I would say, don't be surprised to feeling Waddle goes 601 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: before Davante Smith. My only issue is where I mean, 602 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: do you really you think Miami's taking one of those 603 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: smurfs that early? Uh, smurf will be your word, not mine, Jason, Yeah, yeah, 604 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: my word is smurf. Ike Smith weighs less than I do. Bro. 605 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised at all the Miami wants 606 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: to put his many weapons around the quarterback. It's possible. 607 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: You never listen. I mean, but wait, Tom hold him. 608 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: You've seen the history of small receivers in the top 609 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: ten often, like you said, they're going to bad teams 610 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: to Miami was pretty good. They just missed the playoffs 611 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: last year. But but but you have to Yeah, I mean, 612 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: I know every team is gonna make those you know, 613 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: try to do those profiles and figure out what the 614 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: historical successes. That's absolutely part of the analytic approach the 615 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: team's take. You have to look on some level, they're like, 616 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: who were the players? John Ross came in with major questions. Uh, 617 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: he had injury history. I mean, there were teams that 618 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: didn't think he'd go in the first round at all 619 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: and the Bengals take him at number nine. You're like, okay, 620 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: and you know, obviously he's had a bunch of injuries 621 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: since he got in to leave. But that wasn't like 622 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: a shock that one's gonna be small. I mean, maybe 623 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: it was, but everybody knew that coming in. You know, 624 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin are a really high drafted guy, and he 625 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: got a second contract, only a fifty eight million dollar 626 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: or something contracts Like he was a player, he just 627 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: wasn't a fully dimensional type of receiver, at least with 628 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: Waddle as well as Davante Smith. You know that they 629 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: can run a route tree. You know, there are receivers 630 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: in this draft who they're kind of those gadget toy 631 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: manufactured touches. Guys. Ka Darius Tony from Florida would be 632 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: an example of that. Teams don't look at these guys 633 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: that way. There is more love than you think for 634 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle. That's not to talk down at all in 635 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: Davonte Smith, but there are more people in the league 636 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: who think Jalen Waddle can be special than you might think. Yeah, 637 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: at this stage, I prefer Waddle to Smith. Um all right, 638 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: second does Justin Fields go in the top ten. I 639 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: definitely think Justin Fields goes in the top fifteen and 640 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: would not surprise me if he goes in the top ten. 641 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: There are teams they're they're calling about trades to potentially 642 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: move up. Will any of those happen remains to be seen, 643 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: but you would think teams like New England, if they're 644 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: calling around in the top ten, odds are and the 645 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: belief of everybody who's gotten those calls is the target 646 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: would be Justin Field. Um do uh do the Patriots 647 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: trade up? There's no way, right Bill Belichick trades back, 648 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't trade up. No way. Bill Belichick spends a 649 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: hundred eighty three million dollars and guaranteed money and one 650 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: free agencycle either. They're breaking the mold there, they say. 651 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: Robert Craft has said publicly he wants to do things differently. 652 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: They've got some different voices in the scouting department now. 653 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, the former Lions coach, of course, has gone 654 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: back there. That's been documented that he's involved on the 655 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: scouting side. Now. They brought in Elliott Wolf, the longtime 656 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: Packers scout, former Brown's assistant GM. He's part of the 657 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: process there too. Dave Ziggler has taken on a larger 658 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: role with the departure of Nick Kissario, so a little 659 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: bit different dynamic than they've had in the past. Obviously, 660 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick still has the hammer there. But based upon 661 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: what happened in free agency, would it really surprise you 662 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: that much if the Patriots break the mold instead of 663 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: trading down, they trade up in round one? I believe 664 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: anything right now? Anything? Wow? Okay, um, I guess that's 665 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: pretty blose. Are pretty much the juiciest angles. Is there 666 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: any player you here that's just rocketing up the boards 667 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: or tumbling down? I know that we want to try 668 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: to keep it positive, but any anybody maybe falling a 669 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: little bit. It sounds like Farley could end up with 670 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: the Jets at twenty three if he given the back 671 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: surgery issues. Yeah, there's are desperate at cornerback. Tom, you 672 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: know that they have nobody and you know in that 673 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: new defense, you know they got a bunch of edge rushers, 674 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: but they have no corners, right. I mean, the Jets 675 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: would certainly be a team the potentially is and play 676 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: for a corner. Arizona would be in play for a 677 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: corner there's a bunch of teams need cormers, bunch of 678 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: teams need tackles, which is part of why you're gonna 679 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: see probably runs on those positions toward the end of 680 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: round one and you know, also into in a day 681 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: two of the draft. In terms of followers, there's there's 682 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: really not There's not that guy who's just gonna absolutely 683 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: plummet Farley would be the one to watch in the 684 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: green room, just because people don't know. We did a 685 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: story in Wrap Fortnite NFL dot Com the posted early 686 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: this morning. There's a split among gm Some say they're 687 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: really comfortable with the medical. Uh. Everybody basically says Farley 688 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: will be back, you know, in time for training by 689 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: the season, if not in time for training camp. The 690 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: question just how does he hold up. He's had a 691 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: back issue for over two years. He hurt himself in 692 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: like February, went through the season, had sciatica, had to 693 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: get in February. The first dispect to me opted out 694 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: of the season was training, said he felt good, then 695 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: tweaked it again in January. So it's been over two 696 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: years since he started dealing with this. It's been seventeen 697 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: months since he played a game and back surgeries for 698 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: a guy who's also had an a C L tare 699 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: and plays a speed position is a short and long 700 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: term concern for some teams. They just don't know how 701 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: the back is gonna respond. But again, there are teams 702 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: that say he's gonna go in the first. It doesn't 703 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: matter he's a top ten player. He'd be in the 704 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: conversation with orangs Ertan's the first corner if you were healthy, 705 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: he's gonna go in the first. Then you talk to 706 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: other people, other gms who say no, like we wouldn't 707 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: do it. We're talking in our draft room about okay, 708 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: let's say he's there in the second, do we do it? 709 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: Those the conversations and the scenarios the team's game out 710 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: in these final days until the draft. Those are the 711 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: calls that I get at all hours of the day 712 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: and night from teams to just trying to figure out 713 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. Drew Rosenhaus, who's Farley's agent, says 714 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: that he believes and is confident in his discussions with 715 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: teams that Farley doesn't even last to pick number twenty. 716 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: So we've all got a front row seat to Drew 717 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: and Caleb Farley, because they'll be in the green room 718 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: in Cleveland on Thursday night and that will certainly be 719 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: one of the dramas when we follow. I don't want 720 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: to say it's similar to the linebacker from Notre Dame 721 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: who fell and Dallas just couldn't pass him up second round. 722 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: Uh Smith the difference, but right, and he had a 723 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: nerve issue that was a pretty significant thing. I remember 724 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: going to um where is he from four Wayne, Indiana 725 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: I believe it is before that draft, like a week before, 726 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: and sitting down with him. He was doing drills, he 727 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: was working out, uh, you know, and he told me like, 728 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: I'm feeling more every day, Like I can tell it's 729 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: regenerating and it has to a large degree, you know, 730 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: come back. But it took time, uh you know. And 731 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: I don't know that Jillen Smith has ever been the 732 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: same player, you know, the dynamic, top five type of 733 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: talent that he was at Notre Dame prior to a 734 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: really unfortunate injury that I think occurred in uh in 735 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: the Fiesta Bowl. But you know, he didn't slide out 736 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: of the second round of the draft. You know, he 737 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: did end up going He had an insurance policy that 738 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: he had taken out prior to play in his last year, 739 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: and notre dame, which is what all these guys do 740 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: in case you suffered some kind of a dramatic injury. 741 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: With Farley, from my understanding, there is some weakness still 742 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: in one of his big toes, but that's pretty normal 743 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: because he's less than a month and a half out 744 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: from his last micro diskect me, so that's normal. But 745 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: it's a leap of faith, there's no question about it, 746 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: because there's no way If the question the draft room 747 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: is have we seen this guy since the back injury started, 748 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,479 Speaker 1: be fully healthy and as he played a game since 749 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: the first of two surgeries, the answer is no. So 750 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: you've got to either go we are willing to take 751 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: the gamble and get a bargain on a guy who 752 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: otherwise is long gone before our pick, or you're not. 753 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: And that's those are the decisions and the important thing 754 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: on medical to always remember thirty two teams, thirty two 755 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: medical staffs, thirty two different degrees of risk tolerance. Even 756 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: if twenty nine teams x a guy off the board, 757 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: there could be three teams in the first round that 758 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: are all trying to trade ahead of each other for 759 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: Caleb Farley or whoever it might be, and so he 760 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: could end up going far sooner than our teams would 761 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: be able to stomach. Take now before I get you 762 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: out of here. Um, So the Ravens made a trade 763 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: this is non draft with the Chiefs last Friday, and Tom, 764 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I don't understand why a team like 765 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens that's chasing the Chiefs would help the Chiefs 766 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: pick up an offensive lineman when the Chiefs clearly need 767 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. What am I missing here? Is this 768 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: simply that they didn't want to pay Orlando Brown? Is 769 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: it that you know they maybe he's a bit of 770 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: a problem in the locker room, unhappy that he wasn't 771 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: the left tackle because they have Stanley, Like, why would 772 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: you help the Chiefs of all teams with a tackle? 773 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: Orlando Brown is an awesome guy, one of my favorite 774 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: people in the NFL to talk to, but he wanted 775 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: to play left tackle. They have attacked left tackle Ronnie Stanley, 776 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: who's coming back from an injury. Uh that they just 777 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: paid I think three days before his injury, two or 778 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: three days before, which was some kind of timing on 779 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: Stanley's part uh, And yeah, they were not gonna you know, 780 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: they couldn't offer him the left tackle job, and they 781 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: certainly weren't gonna pay him like a left tackle. So 782 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: at times, when the best offer you have is going 783 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: to be a team that you are ostensibly competing with, 784 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: even if it's not within the division, within the conference, 785 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: you know you have to make those decisions. Erica cost 786 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: should shouldn't. The Ravens have done diligence and called every 787 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: team in the NFC said do you want a left tackle? 788 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure they did, and I'm sure nobody else was 789 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: offering him an opportunity to move up into the first round. 790 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the Chiefs have been bowled throughout this entire offseason. 791 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: Gave a massive deal to Joe Tuoney. You know, they 792 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: bring in Kyle Long out of retirement, They get back 793 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: Laurent duvern A Tardiff, they bring in Austin Blythe to 794 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: play center, and now you make a trade for Orlando Brown. 795 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: I think the one, you know, the one key thing 796 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: there as people have reported as if they're getting a 797 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: first round pick and they're getting the third and they're 798 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: getting fifth. No, really, the way the teams would look 799 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: at this is you're moving up twenty seven spots because 800 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: the Ravens gave up their second round pick, so they 801 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: moved from fifty five or whatever it was up to 802 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: thirty one. So you're jumping from the second to the first. 803 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: But it's not a straight first round pick in this deal. 804 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 1: So from the chief's perspective, they can still move down. 805 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: You know, they can still get a good player on 806 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: their view, and probably again because of the way this 807 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: board breaks, you might get a pretty similar player at 808 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: thirty one in the chief's minds to what you might 809 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: get at fifty six to penny what your position of 810 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: need ends up. Beam, Now the Ravens get, you know, 811 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: have that extra pick uh in the first round, and 812 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, if they've got multiple needs receivers, certainly one 813 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: even after signing Sammy Watkins, I would think they'd be 814 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: trying to address. That's the spot right there where they 815 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: have those picks now seven and thirty one, where they 816 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: may have their pick of the receivers that they that 817 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: they like. All right, He's Tom Pellisoro, NFL Net, NFL 818 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: dot Com. Um, you do a lot of stuff, man, 819 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: You're on TV a lot, you do radio. What what 820 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: don't you do. Tom. I feel like I'm always asking 821 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: the same thing about you because I see you on 822 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: TV and you've got a radio show. Apparently you have 823 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: a podcast. I now need to start downloading podcast all 824 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: time on it. I gotta, I gotta dive into all 825 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: these things. And of course you're a legend for the 826 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: big leads. So yeah, man, I just try to I 827 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: just try to keep up, you know, the same way 828 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: that you do. I should have you on more to 829 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: get more nice compliments for the podcast. Right there, Feel free, 830 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: it's all your alright, man. Enjoy the draft, Tom, Thanks again, 831 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: Thanks Jason,