WEBVTT - No More Nails Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to thank you for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith. Hope

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<v Speaker 1>it gives your perspective to see God is moving in

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<v Speaker 1>your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy the message, because life will label you by what

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<v Speaker 2>you did, and the Bible gives us a little Only

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<v Speaker 2>John tells us this because John had the sensitivity to him.

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<v Speaker 1>When you read his gospel, he tells you things other

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<v Speaker 1>people don't mention.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, Now Thomas, also known as Didamus. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if we've just got to label Thomas a doubter, can

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<v Speaker 2>we at least call him doubting didamis because the alliteration

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<v Speaker 2>works much better. Doubting Didimus. The Bible says that doubting

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<v Speaker 2>did he one of the twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Was not with.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody say, he wasn't there. So now Jesus and Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>got something in common. When they went to look for

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<v Speaker 2>jesus dead body, he wasn't there. When Jesus showed up

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<v Speaker 2>alive and resurrected, Thomas wasn't there, and Thomas wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible doesn't say why he wasn't there. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>heard it preach like he wasn't there because he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough faith to be there. But the boys inside

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<v Speaker 2>had the doors locked. They weren't any better. So if

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna give out nicknames, let's talk about Simon Peter

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<v Speaker 2>inside with the doors locked.

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<v Speaker 1>How about scaredy cat Simon Peter, scaredy Simon.

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<v Speaker 2>How about locked door Levi, lock them up Levi? And

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<v Speaker 2>doubting Dicky. And we all have dolts. That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say. We all have scars, we all have dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 2>You might have long sleeves, but if I could roll

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<v Speaker 2>up your sleeves, you've been through something.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll struggle with something. Your wife may not know it,

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<v Speaker 1>But God goes, I gotta heard.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta hurry. I'm getting really indulgent. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>get you out of here because the next crowd's coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody somebody say, nails, nails, nails nails. So the other

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<v Speaker 2>disciple told him we have seen the Lord. But Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>said this way had come down in Thomas. I call

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<v Speaker 2>him honest Thomas. I don't call him doubting Thomas. I

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<v Speaker 2>call him honest Thomas, truthful Thomas. Because Thomas is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not buying it. I'm not buying en off what

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<v Speaker 2>you said. I need to see for myself. I got

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<v Speaker 2>to see Jesus for myself. This has to be real

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<v Speaker 2>to me. So hey, unless I see the nail marks

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<v Speaker 2>in his hands, unless I see where he suffered, I

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<v Speaker 2>will not believe in his glory.

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<v Speaker 1>And unless I put my finger where the names.

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<v Speaker 2>And put my hand into a sigh, I won't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch Jesus now, I want to point out one thing

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<v Speaker 2>in verse twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven days later, a week later, seven seven miles, seven days.

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<v Speaker 2>God will leave you in a space where you don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand to create faith in your heart. So Thomas says,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to see the scars. Jesus could have showed

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<v Speaker 2>up on the spot. He waited seven days. Jesus could

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<v Speaker 2>have walked up to Cleo and said, see my scars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's me.

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes he wants to let you walk and wonder

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<v Speaker 2>and walk and wonder, not because he doesn't love you,

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<v Speaker 2>but because if your faith needs an explanation, it cannot

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<v Speaker 2>sustain the trials of life.

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<v Speaker 3>So he waits seven days to help me appreciate that

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<v Speaker 3>he waits seven days. Have you ever had to wait

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<v Speaker 3>seven days? Have you ever had to wait through a

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<v Speaker 3>custody battle? Have you ever had to wait to see

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<v Speaker 3>if this is ever gonna feel better? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 3>had to wait through pain, wait through depression, wake through

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<v Speaker 3>anxiety attacks, wake through bad reports, way through a newscast?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever had to wait a waiting a waiting period?

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<v Speaker 2>And then when Jesus shows up a week later?

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<v Speaker 1>Seven?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody say seven, seven days, seven miles, seven days, seven miles.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the number of completion.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Jesus shows up, maybe just at that point

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<v Speaker 2>where Thomas is tired of waiting, And the disciples were

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<v Speaker 2>in the house again, and Thomas this time was there,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jesus walks in. Look at the next part. Though

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<v Speaker 2>the doors were locked, they still locked, the doors still scared,

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<v Speaker 2>but they stayed, still scared.

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<v Speaker 1>But they stayed. I still got some addictions, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in church today.

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<v Speaker 2>God can work with that. I'm still on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, but I'm still. And this time

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas was there. He kno gonna miss it this time.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jesus came in, stood among them and said peace,

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<v Speaker 2>watch what comes next. You're Tommy, Hey diddy, Hey, honest, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you wanted to see my scars. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>is important.

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<v Speaker 2>Put your finger here, where where the nails were? Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that what you needed to see? Thomas, where the nails were?

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed something he didn't say, where the nails are.

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<v Speaker 1>You're Tommy, I'm back from the grave and I need

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<v Speaker 1>you to see something.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, Thomas, no more nails. Look Thomas, they're not here.

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<v Speaker 4>But your finger where the sin was. But your finger

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<v Speaker 4>where the shame was. Put your finger where.

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<v Speaker 2>They tried to crucify the.

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<v Speaker 1>Creator of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>No more, somebody shout no more nails, no more nails.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, what held me? Does it hold me anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>I came to the Claire. Today is the day freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish you would push your neighbor to the almost

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<v Speaker 2>fall over and say, no more nails, No more nails.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard so many sermons about forgiveness because we've all

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<v Speaker 2>been wounded. Raise your hand if life hasn't wounded you yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see where the liars are in the

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<v Speaker 2>church because I want to have a special prayer for

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<v Speaker 2>all the liars who would have the audacity to lie

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<v Speaker 2>in the presence of God and act like you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been wounded. We've all been wounded. Rock Hill, Gaston County.

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<v Speaker 2>It don't matter Toronto, Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't. You can't walk the road without being wounded.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't go to church without being wounded. Faked, I'm maddy,

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I have to gange. Faked. I'm mad.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in a church one time and the preacher

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<v Speaker 2>got them to sing about wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was so weird, y'all, because he was like

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He was preaching about wounds.

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<v Speaker 2>His thing was try to get everybody go back and

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<v Speaker 2>remember all the ways they've been wounded throughout their whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>He had me thinking of stuff in the third grade,

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<v Speaker 2>just the craziest stuff like that was going to bring healing.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at this, Jesus didn't show Thomas his wounds. He

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<v Speaker 2>showed him his scars. There is a difference between being

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<v Speaker 2>wounded and being scarred.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel So when I prayed about this first word of forgiveness,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord told me to talk to you about the nails,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever has wounded you, whatever you hide, whatever happened. See

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<v Speaker 2>when Jesus shows Thomas his scars. I'm glad he kept

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<v Speaker 2>his scars. I'm glad he kept that part. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't stay dead. But I'm also glad that he

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<v Speaker 2>came out scarred because that gives me hope.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how I try to preach.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to preach wounded, because if I preach wounded,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to inflict my pain on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to be a wounded parent. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be a wounded spouse. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to walk around.

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<v Speaker 2>God spoke to me a couple months ago and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>if I've really healed you like you claim I have,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you still so touchy? Thomas said, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see where the wounds were. And when I teach,

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<v Speaker 2>preacher Jonathan can tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell him. Don't you get up and tell the.

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<v Speaker 2>Church all the ways that you woke up at five

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<v Speaker 2>thirty am? And you know, if I put you in

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<v Speaker 2>my puppet show the church some of your scars, you

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<v Speaker 2>can show them the stones that God has rolled away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, that's the part of it. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>god of miracles. He is a god who makes dreams

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<v Speaker 2>come true and we've all got some stones that he's

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<v Speaker 2>rolled away, but we've.

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<v Speaker 1>All got some scars, too.

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<v Speaker 2>So show them your scars. Show them where you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get up at five point thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, show them where you pretended like you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hear the baby crying at five point thirty. And Anna

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell them that story. Tell them how you almost quit.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell them how you wanted to throw up the first

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<v Speaker 2>week you went out to preach, after the news media

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<v Speaker 2>ran a story about you for four days straight saying

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<v Speaker 2>things about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell them that.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell them how you were in the bathroom and you

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<v Speaker 2>came out smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Show them where the wounds were, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll give them hope that what wounded me doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to hold me forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, it's time to be free.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been long enough, it's been seven days. Forgiveness doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The scar shows it happened. Jesus didn't show up and

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<v Speaker 1>say what Cross, What you're talking about? Cross? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember Cross. I heard a preacher say one time, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's an idiot. He's have his credentials revoke. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've really uh, let's get a preacher voice going.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've really forgiven someone in your heart, you will

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<v Speaker 2>not even remember the offense. There is a word that

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<v Speaker 2>comes to my mind to describe what he said, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna just say it's it's inaccurate. It's not denial

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<v Speaker 2>when I say forgiveness, because I gotta be careful because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a pastor, right, I'm not just passing through a

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<v Speaker 2>preaching one week leaving. I'm not trying to just get something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to go on a journey with you and

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<v Speaker 2>to let you know that when you when you let

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<v Speaker 2>go of whatever wounded you so that you can be

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<v Speaker 2>free and going to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Future God has for you.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that you pretend it never happened. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not denial. The nails were there. My dad walked

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<v Speaker 2>out on me.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad. I'm saying that you could say.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom had an impossible standard that I could never

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<v Speaker 2>live up to, and I believe that part of my

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<v Speaker 2>eating disorder today has to do with that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it didn't happen, but I can't let it hold me.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot blame her forever, not if I'm a Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>not if I am a Christian, not if I worshiped

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<v Speaker 2>the one who was wounded for my transgression. See, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to let you know something, because the hardest person

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<v Speaker 2>you'll ever forgive is not your ex, is not.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mom, is not your dad. It's not your neighbor who.

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<v Speaker 2>Came over your fence and your property line. The hardest

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<v Speaker 2>person you will ever have to forgive is yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>See the truth be told. It is my self inflicted

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<v Speaker 1>nails that I have the hardest time letting go off.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want the devil to know when he comes

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<v Speaker 2>to hammer at me with accusation. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>you go when that starts to happen, how worthless you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you noticed the devil loves.

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<v Speaker 2>To hammer you, and he's got a big hammer. But

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you a little secret. He ain't got

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<v Speaker 2>no more nails. Somebody shouting no more nails. That sime

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<v Speaker 2>the devil hammers.

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<v Speaker 5>You with accusations, shout back in his face, gott no nails.

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<v Speaker 2>All my nails are in that cross. All my shame

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<v Speaker 2>is on that cross. Somebody shouting no more nails. There

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<v Speaker 2>is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in

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<v Speaker 2>Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus, the law of the

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<v Speaker 2>spirit of life has set me free from the law

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<v Speaker 2>of sin. And ten the devil might have a hammer,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have any nails breaks out.

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<v Speaker 3>In touch.

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<v Speaker 1>The place where the nails were.

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<v Speaker 2>Where they were, It doesn't mean it didn't happen. It happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I fell, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It happened. I ruined the relationship. It happened. They abused

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<v Speaker 1>me in ways that I don't even want to tell

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<v Speaker 1>my own spouse. It happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I deal with the traumatic rememorcy. It's not that it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen, and it's not that it doesn't hurt. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness doesn't mean it it doesn't hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the nails might be gone, but the memory

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<v Speaker 1>is still there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really easy to forgive sometimes when the person

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<v Speaker 2>that you're forgiving is gone, but when you still have

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<v Speaker 2>to work I'll share custody, when you still have to

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<v Speaker 2>live with the memory, when you still can't be touched

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<v Speaker 2>without recalling the shame of when you were touched the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong way, and now you're trying to learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>love the right way, when you're trying to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to trust. It doesn't mean it won't hurt away with

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<v Speaker 2>the preaching that will teach you that the pain will

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<v Speaker 2>go away when you forgive the offense. It's not that

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<v Speaker 2>the pain goes away. I'm helping somebody, I'm setting somebody free.

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<v Speaker 2>You keep waiting for the feeling of forgiveness to come.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a feeling. It takes faith. I said, it

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<v Speaker 2>takes faith. I said it takes faith. I said it

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<v Speaker 2>takes faith. It takes faith to believe that the same

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<v Speaker 2>place where the nails were it's the same place where.

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<v Speaker 1>The healing is. They saw it in a scarce. Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>needed those nails.

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<v Speaker 2>If they hadn't nailed him to that cross, if.

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<v Speaker 1>They hadn't, if they hadn't punctured, if.

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<v Speaker 2>The blood didn't flow from that place, the power wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be released.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying not that God's.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna take the scar away, but that he is going

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<v Speaker 2>to release.

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<v Speaker 1>The greatest strength in your.

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<v Speaker 5>Life from the place where the nails were.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, shout no more n ass. It's a declaration.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean it didn't happen. It happened. They bullied you,

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<v Speaker 2>It happened. They lied about you. By the way, not

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<v Speaker 2>only have you suffered some wounds, but you've inflicted a

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<v Speaker 2>few two. And it's kind of crazy how we can

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<v Speaker 2>be comfortable putting all of our nails in Jesus cross,

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<v Speaker 2>but then walk around with a pocket full of our

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<v Speaker 2>own to put in other people. If all my nails

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<v Speaker 2>are in his cross, that means all of yours are too.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot demand to receive a grace from God for

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<v Speaker 2>me that I will not give to you. And so

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<v Speaker 2>what it means, What it means isn't that it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What it means isn't that it didn't hurt. What it

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<v Speaker 2>means is not that I won't handle it. I might

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to be friends with you in the

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<v Speaker 2>same way anymore because I might not be able to

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<v Speaker 2>trust you. Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>go email in your ex on message them on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>when you're married now for twelve years? Is talking about

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<v Speaker 2>will you forgive me? In the still of the night

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<v Speaker 2>into the road flashbacks to prom It's not that things

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<v Speaker 2>won't be different, it's not that I won't handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>But Thomas, I want you to put your finger in

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<v Speaker 2>the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I was held to the cross, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know that what held me doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>hold me anymore. That's what forgiveness is.

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<v Speaker 1>Friends.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that it didn't happen. It happened and it

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<v Speaker 2>was horrible. It's not that it doesn't hurt. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not going to live in the offense any longer.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been wounded long enough.

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<v Speaker 6>Why would I choose to stay wounded when healing is

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<v Speaker 6>in his hands? Why would I keep nailing you to

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<v Speaker 6>a cross when it's only hurting me. Somebody say, no

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<v Speaker 6>more nails, No more nails.

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<v Speaker 1>The spirit of God is in this place. No more nails.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all in the cross, all my past, all my shame,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all in the cross.

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<v Speaker 1>No more nails. To be free, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta let go, and I declare over your life today.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that it won't ever hurt again, not that some

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<v Speaker 2>things won't need to change, not that it won't be

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<v Speaker 2>a process. Remember this is only my one of our journey.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you will put your nails in that cross

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<v Speaker 2>and trust what Jesus proved that all things somebody shot

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<v Speaker 2>all things, even the nails, even Judas, even that. I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to a woman who went through the most traumatic

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<v Speaker 2>childhood experience you could describe. I wouldn't put it in

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<v Speaker 2>this sermon because there are kids who came in, but

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<v Speaker 2>what she went through was so horrible. Yet she was

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<v Speaker 2>able to look at me in the eye and say,

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<v Speaker 2>although I wouldn't choose it, and although I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>it was okay or that it was right or that

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<v Speaker 2>God did it, I'm not trying to justify it. When

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<v Speaker 2>I see how God has used even the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't choose. It's not that I wanted it to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that it doesn't hurt. I'm not gonna fake.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to live in denial. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in dysfunction. I'm not gonna but I I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't trade my scars for anything, because my scars are.

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<v Speaker 1>The proof of His power.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got scars, y'all all went through it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>hurt like hell. Yes they drove the nails. Yes it

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<v Speaker 2>was offensive, and yes it was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I won't stay here. No, I won't sacrifice

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<v Speaker 1>my future on the altar of my past. No, gor nass,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, shot like your Fred, shot like your friend.

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<v Speaker 1>How long do you want to stay wounded? How long

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to stay stuck? It happened. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>living in denial.

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<v Speaker 2>It hurts. I'm not gonna live defensive, pretending like it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't hurt and I have to handle it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna live in dysfunction, enabling dysfunctional situations and calling it forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not gonna stay here dead.

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<v Speaker 2>When he is risen, no more else, no more els.

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<v Speaker 2>He is going on the cross today, all of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>all of it. The sin you did, the sin.

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<v Speaker 1>That was done to you. It's all going on the

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<v Speaker 1>same cross today.

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<v Speaker 2>And all things, even the scars, not just the stone,

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<v Speaker 2>but the scars, all things.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll work together for the good. Look, Thomas, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>hold me anymore. Look Thomas, your doubt doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>hold you anymore. Look, Thomas, touch you.

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<v Speaker 2>See see my scars? You see you see my scars.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've got some wounds. They've been open long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm