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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Second hour of The Clay Travis Said

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show underway right now, and we're about to

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Speaker 1: dive deep into the latest Clinton campaign backed Russia collusion

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Speaker 1: conspiracy madness. Headline up on the Daily Mail. Ex Director

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Speaker 1: of National Intelligence claims Biden and Obama knew about Hillary

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Speaker 1: campaign plot to hack Trump servers enough evidence This was

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Speaker 1: a quote in Durham's pro Russia probe to indict multiple people.

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Speaker 1: What do they know? When do they know it? We're

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Speaker 1: now joined by somebody who knows all about this situation.

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Speaker 1: He lived it, he fought through it. Former President Trump's

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Speaker 1: son Donald Trump Juniors with us now. Good to have you, sir,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being on the program. It's great to be

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Speaker 1: with you, guys. How are you? We're good, Don, But

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Speaker 1: you gotta tell us, man, what does it feel like

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Speaker 1: to see this stuff coming out now? It would have

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Speaker 1: been helpful for us to know this a while ago, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like we're just beginning to get somewhere

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Speaker 1: near the full truth. Well, listen, I you're right. I

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Speaker 1: lived it. I did thirty hours of testimony about something

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Speaker 1: that they literally manufactured themselves. You know, where's the inspector general?

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Speaker 1: Is every government contractor allowed to weaponize data? Are they

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Speaker 1: allowed to spy on the President of the United States

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Speaker 1: of America? I mean, is this like serious stuff? And

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Clay White, where is the You know, it's

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Speaker 1: worse than Watergate crowd. I figured they'd wheel Bob Woodward

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Speaker 1: I mean, they legitimately spied on the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States. And you know, now, Jake Sullivan, someone who's

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Speaker 1: at least be involved or at least have intimate knowledge,

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Speaker 1: created the whole boogeyman Russia thing. It's now negotiating with

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Speaker 1: in the Ukraine. I mean, you can't make this stuff up.

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Speaker 1: This is insanity and it's truly scary. I wish it

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Speaker 1: would have come out earlier. We all knew it was nonsense,

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Speaker 1: at least those with a brain. But you know that

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Speaker 1: didn't go well for the swamp. It didn't go well

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats and their lackeys in the media, and

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Speaker 1: so they kept pushing Russia collusion as though it was real.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I guess it was real. It just

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Speaker 1: no one's going to cover anything. It's wild too to

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Speaker 1: Fox News obviously did a great job of covering it,

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Speaker 1: the government investigator Durham himself. I mean, are you even

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Speaker 1: not getting attention even when it's not coming from you

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Speaker 1: don't think you're exaggerating at all things that are as

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Speaker 1: been watching. I mean, I've seen him, I've seen him

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter because there's been no consequence to

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Speaker 1: And do you think that maybe the decision makers, whether

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Speaker 1: The former DNI met with Durham more than once. He

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Speaker 1: moment number one, instant number one. We got to play

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Speaker 1: hopefully we change that. God knows, they've given us enough ammunition.

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe going to school, right and or maybe going

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Speaker 1: to college, but to enter a business, the idea that

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Speaker 1: you would have to show that you had been vaccinated

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Speaker 1: has never existed. Like that very idea itself. It's radical,

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Speaker 1: and we need to talk about it as being a

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Speaker 1: radical proposition and a personal imposition on so many different

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Speaker 1: people as it pertains to their individual freedoms and their

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Speaker 1: health rights. Like, regardless of what you think about COVID,

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Speaker 1: the idea that you have to show your vaccines to

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Speaker 1: go to McDonald's is crazy. They've also never wrestled with

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Speaker 1: a concept that I think is really important. And this

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Speaker 1: is where you get into, you know, the epidemiology. And

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Speaker 1: I rely on doctors just like you do that I

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Speaker 1: know to bring me up to speed on these things. Right.

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Speaker 1: I have no medical training, and I just sit here

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Speaker 1: and I want to ever understand now when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about measles and mumps and rubella and smallpox and these

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Speaker 1: other vaccination campaigns in the past, those are stable viruses.

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Speaker 1: They do not mutate, and they do not mutate with

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Speaker 1: this anywhere near the speed that we've seen with COVID

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Speaker 1: that seems to mutate about every what at least every

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Speaker 1: six months so far, we're just gonna be You're gonna

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Speaker 1: may help your body fight it off, but from getting

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Speaker 1: the most recent variate variant. So this was wrong headed

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Speaker 1: like I've been saying this for about eighteen months, and

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Speaker 1: here we are now. Well, if you ever mentioned COVID

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Speaker 1: COVID has become a new flu, and it's never going away,

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day edition, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Tons

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Speaker 1: of news breaking as we have been going on the

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Speaker 1: show today surrounding what maybe going on in Ukraine, and

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Speaker 1: this just keeps getting weirder and I'm gonna read this

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Speaker 1: story to you in just a second. But first, obviously,

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Speaker 1: watching this game, seventy five people inside, nobody wearing a mask.

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Speaker 1: Celebrities Jay Z, Ben Affleck, j Lowe, Lebron, James Charlie's Tyrone,

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Speaker 1: you name them, all of them flouting the mandate that

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Speaker 1: they wear masks. Yet every kid in California today is

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Speaker 1: in a mask. Many kids all over the country. Second hour,

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Speaker 1: we talked a great deal about the insane spying that

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Speaker 1: to win the presidential election in twenty sixteen. What Gerhams

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Speaker 1: investigate has uncovered. We were joined by Donald Trump Junior

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Speaker 1: to talk about some of the details of that allegation,

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Speaker 1: and we will continue to follow that unlike The Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: The New York Times, MSNBC, and CNN, which have not

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Speaker 1: been covering it at all. But as we finished the

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Speaker 1: second hour of the program, news breaking about a potential

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Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine that could occur on Wednesday, and in

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Speaker 1: fact President Zelenski says Ukraine quote has been informed Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: February sixteen, quote will be the day of the attack.

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Speaker 1: According to comments attributed to Zelenski accompanying a Facebook update

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Speaker 1: to the nation. He does not say who or what

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Speaker 1: agency provided that information. That tweet has since been deleted.

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Speaker 1: Buck that I am reading from right now, So this

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Speaker 1: whole thing is super weird. Now. CNN reported basically the

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Speaker 1: same thing, and I am reading that from CNN anchor

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Speaker 1: and Chief National Security correspondent Jim scutto shoot off. He

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Speaker 1: went to my high school as well, him and Fauci.

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Speaker 1: Fauci's worse than him. Yeah, so he deleted that tweet

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Speaker 1: that I just read you, and literally that tweet went

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Speaker 1: up like five minutes ago. He did say this, which

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Speaker 1: its embassy in Kiev and temporarily relocating the small number

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Speaker 1: of the country. Quote due to the dramatic acceleration in

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Speaker 1: the buildup of Russian forces. Secretary of State Blincoln announced

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Speaker 1: that I'm hitting refresh on his on his Twitter feed

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Speaker 1: and yeah, he's pulled that down that I read to

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Speaker 1: you directly off the Facebook. So it was there, it

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Speaker 1: was not, which I think Buck just kind of assizes

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Speaker 1: the strangeness of this story in general. Right, Well, this

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Speaker 1: Hey flashing on the screen. And by the way, at

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Speaker 1: Fox News right now, Fox News alert Ukrainian president and

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Speaker 1: formed Russia will attack Wednesday. CNN had that up first

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Speaker 1: and then after a commercial break came back into the

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Speaker 1: angry guy on plane throwing coffee pot or whatever that

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Speaker 1: story was. Usually, if you had breaking news about an

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Speaker 1: imminent invasion and had a source that you could go

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Speaker 1: to in some credibility, in detail, you would explain to

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Speaker 1: the audience what's going on, because this is, by the way,

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Speaker 1: this is going to have so many implications, you know,

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Speaker 1: even apart from our primary consideration, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: make sure that US forces don't get embroiled in this.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't become a broader conflagration the region, etc. But

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Speaker 1: it's going to affect the market's massively. It's going to

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Speaker 1: affect obviously for anybody who's got family in Ukraine, effect

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Speaker 1: their safety massively. There's a lot of things that all

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Speaker 1: come together here. When you're talking about breaking news. Imminent

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Speaker 1: war is about as big as stories you're gonna get,

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Speaker 1: and for them to switch so quickly was an indicator

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Speaker 1: of something. There's a lot of noise out there. Can

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Speaker 1: I also just point out that the Russians love to

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Speaker 1: which is warfare by deception, and this is what they've

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Speaker 1: done in dealing with Crimea in the Dawnbass region in

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Speaker 1: Georgia in the past. Obviously, the country, not the state.

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Speaker 1: So these are these are some of the things that

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Speaker 1: have gone on and there they may be put clay

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Speaker 1: to your point about who announces an invasion. This could

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Speaker 1: be disinformatzia. Remember we talked about Russian disinformation all the time.

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Speaker 1: We're Trump is this could be actual disinformation put out

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Speaker 1: there to get Zelenski to react in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: You know, we just don't know, man. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: looking at We're four or five thousand miles away. We're

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Speaker 1: relying on a reporting cadre that hasations in their sources.

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Speaker 1: You got Russians putting out lies, nonsense, and garbage on

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Speaker 1: purpose the Russian state left and right. But I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, from what it's looking like right now, it

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Speaker 1: would be I would be surprised if we did not

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Speaker 1: have bombs falling this week based on what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: I just can't get over the modern era. Like the

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Speaker 1: president goes on Facebook and says we may get invaded.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that we live in an era

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Speaker 1: where things are quite a bit different, But the idea

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Speaker 1: that you could be scrolling through Facebook and it's like, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: Simone got a new puppy, and and oh so and

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Speaker 1: so's mad because their boss made him wear a mask,

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Speaker 1: and then like the president of Ukraine's like, hey, we

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Speaker 1: may get invaded. You know. It's just it's so strange

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Speaker 1: that you would go on Facebook and say, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: told that the country may get invaded on Wednesday. Like

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Speaker 1: that seems like again, it seems like maybe that would

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Speaker 1: be a national address moment that it happens to, you know,

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Speaker 1: the dropping it in a Facebook message. They have been

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Speaker 1: certainly preparing for this for weeks, and I just I

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Speaker 1: don't see, you know, Clay, I'm trying to see this

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Speaker 1: like if it does happen. The I feel like people

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Speaker 1: would have been saying limited incursion, meaning what they've done

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Speaker 1: say oh, we have Russian interest there. You land some

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Speaker 1: paratroopers or whatever, you roll in some tanks, you say

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Speaker 1: we're taking this area and we're going to operate. This

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Speaker 1: is some kind of a protectorate, which is similar to

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Speaker 1: what they've done in Donbas. In the East, they had

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Speaker 1: the referendum in Crimea, which was obviously not a military invasion.

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Speaker 1: But it was a it was an essentially coup by vote,

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Speaker 1: and because they said it was rigged in, the whole

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Speaker 1: thing was was, you know, done so the Russians would

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Speaker 1: get their way. Now, what does this really look like?

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Speaker 1: I mean, to take over, you know, to punch, to

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Speaker 1: punch the Ukrainian armed forces badly, is something the Russians

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Speaker 1: can clearly do. To hit them hard, they can clearly

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Speaker 1: do that and overrun them pretty quickly. But to control

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Speaker 1: Ukraine afterwards, especially with NATO right next door, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a part of it it feels like maybe this

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Speaker 1: still just doesn't Actually, this is all just the biggest

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Speaker 1: move of brinksmanship we've ever seen from the Russians and

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Speaker 1: the modern era, you know, the post Soviet era. Because Clay,

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Speaker 1: think about what this looks like. I mean, look at

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Speaker 1: the challenges that a coalition, the US coalition in Iraq

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Speaker 1: and Afghanistan, particularly in the context of Afghanistan, that was

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Speaker 1: a NATO mission. People forget that. I mean I was there.

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Speaker 1: I remember it was all these NATO countries. You've got

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Speaker 1: was a NATO mission and against a smaller population, and

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Speaker 1: a much less technologically and militarily sophisticated population than what

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with in Ukraine. However, a portion of them

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Speaker 1: wanted to fight in Afghanistan. Obviously they had the Pakistani

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Speaker 1: sanctuary where they could operate, retrain, equip all the rest

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Speaker 1: of it in essential safety. But the Ukrainians will be

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Speaker 1: getting arms and munitions and assistance I'm sure from NATO

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Speaker 1: if this thing turns into a into a hot war,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Clay, It's it's kind of hard to fathom

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Speaker 1: that Vladimir Putin thinks that if he full scale invades Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: this doesn't turn into a nightmare in a blood bath.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's something smaller and more target. It feels

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Speaker 1: like it has to be possible, or just the whole

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Speaker 1: walk back. You guys promise me. You know, I get

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Speaker 1: assurances you're not going to join NATO ever ever ever Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: and if you do, I'm coming in with everything I've got.

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Speaker 1: That's what it feels like, has to be possible. I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone make a compelling case for how Putin

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Speaker 1: can take Ukraine and just subsume it into Russia without

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Speaker 1: massive challenges casualties, and becoming a pariah state. I just

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it. And to contextualize, we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: country forty million people, So this is California. This is Canada, right,

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Speaker 1: big landmasks too, which also makes a big, big country.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the number of people that we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: it's not an insubstantial number. And again in the context

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Speaker 1: of America, it's the size of California in terms of population.

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Speaker 1: It's Canada's popular, and it's just every understands. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just did a quick search on this one. Germany

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Speaker 1: is one hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty seven

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Speaker 1: thousand square kilometers. Well, of course they're giving you one

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Speaker 1: in kilometer. I'm sorry, square square miles. Yeah, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty seven thousand square miles. Ukraine is two hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty three thousand square So this country is substantially

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Speaker 1: larger than Germany in landmass, forty million people. And because

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Speaker 1: Clay what happened in the past where Crimea got taken

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Speaker 1: in Dombas and the Ukrainians just didn't have anything really

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Speaker 1: to throw at it. They really didn't have a military

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Speaker 1: that was organized. Their military now is actually much better

658
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Speaker 1: than it was yeah, and that's why to me it

659
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: just seems so weird. And again to if you're just

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Speaker 1: now getting in your car, you're just now having time

661
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Speaker 1: going out for lunch, where you may be the idea

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Speaker 1: that you would announce when you're going to invade, the

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Speaker 1: idea that Ukrainian Ukraine's president would just facebook message about

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Speaker 1: a potential invasion that's going on, none of it really

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Speaker 1: seems to add up. Again, unless Russia is thinking there's

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Speaker 1: a massive number of Ukrainian soldiers that are just going

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Speaker 1: to put down their weapons the minute that we invade.

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Speaker 1: We know that they're going to allow us to come

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Speaker 1: right in and there's not going to be any actual resistance.

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Speaker 1: It's the exact opposite of a blitzk Creek. And to

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Speaker 1: your point, they know that they can be successful. But

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Speaker 1: I can't think of a time where one country has

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Speaker 1: invaded another and let them know they were coming. Now

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Speaker 1: to your point on Iraq, if they were making a

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Speaker 1: demand and they were saying publicly, hey, Ukraine, unless you

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Speaker 1: do x or y Zelenski resign and someone else step

677
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: in something like that, then you would at least say, okay, well,

678
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Speaker 1: they're letting it be known what their plan is, as

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Speaker 1: the United States did with Iraq during the Second Gulf War.

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Speaker 1: But this just all feels really messy to me that

681
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Speaker 1: we're basically on a countdown clock. You know, they could

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Speaker 1: put it in the corner of the screen and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: the invasion is going to start in thirty six hours.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's weird. I mean just remember also that

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Speaker 1: the Russians and in this case the Soviets, but same

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Speaker 1: same basic idea. The Soviet casualties in Afghanistan were were substantial.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had a fifteen thousand killed in the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Afghan War, thirty five thousand or so wounded, and

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Speaker 1: that was trying to take Afghanistan, right, I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a I think, well, you know, there's easier

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Speaker 1: and harder ways to look at these situations, but you

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Speaker 1: think the Russians state really wants to tackle that right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're saying right now on Fox play one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousandlus Russian troops about one hundred and thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: is the number that you see, and then they've got

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Speaker 1: thirty five thousand plus rebel troops. Also, this is on

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Speaker 1: Fox's screen right now as we're talking to you, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military. If you're up at six figure strength,

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Speaker 1: which I believe they are, that's all you need are rifles,

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Speaker 1: RPG's anti tankment, and you can make an occupying military

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Speaker 1: absolutely miserable and cause serious casualties on a regular basis.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, I hope this turns into

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Speaker 1: a thing that we're all feeling silly that we ever

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Speaker 1: had to talk about Clay, But I think if you

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Speaker 1: were placing odds right now, you'd have to say the

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Speaker 1: odds are on some kind of Russian action this week. Oh.

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Speaker 1: The other thing, by the way, during the Olympics, which

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Speaker 1: we can talk about when we come back, which some

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Speaker 1: of you may be saying, well, that's crazy, but there

710
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Speaker 1: typically has been a hey, don't invade in another country

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Speaker 1: while the Olympics is going on, presumption right, especially because

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about the relationship between China and Russia.

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Speaker 1: So is China just saying hey, Russia, go ahead because

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Speaker 1: we want to see what the United States response is

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Speaker 1: going to be here, given we've always claimed that Taiwan

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Speaker 1: is a part of our country too. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a larger conversation we should probably have as well. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, hey, you pay an attention. Mortgage rates are

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Speaker 1: now soon going to be seeing higher interest rates all

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Speaker 1: You need to make sure that you lock in a

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Speaker 1: Right now, all it would take is a simple conversation.

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Speaker 1: save a thousand dollars a month, maybe you can save

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Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollars a year, tens of thousands of dollars

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Speaker 1: why you need to call American Financing right now. Listen

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Speaker 1: three three four, MLS consumer access dot org. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. A lot has been happening,

739
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Speaker 1: especially in the last hour or so of the program,

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Speaker 1: as an imminent invasion of Ukraine by Russia has become

741
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Speaker 1: more and more likely. Now there is talk of it

742
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Speaker 1: happening by Wednesday. The Pentagon is updating the American public.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we go live to the Pentagon. Here's what

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Speaker 1: it sounds like. Thank in recent days, for example, of

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Speaker 1: some of the ground units that were in larger assembly

746
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Speaker 1: areas moved into moved out toward closer to the border

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Speaker 1: into what might be attacked positions. Other movements over the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, and so yeah, so what I'd say,

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Speaker 1: Bob is even over the last twenty four to forty

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Speaker 1: eight over the course of the weekend, mister Putin has

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Speaker 1: added military capability along that border with Ukraine and in in Belarus.

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Speaker 1: He is exercising some of his units on the ground

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Speaker 1: there in the south as well as as naval units

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Speaker 1: in the Black Sea. So he continues to add to

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Speaker 1: his readiness. He continues to give himself more options should

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Speaker 1: he pursue a military path here. I'm not gonna I

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00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: would like to refrain from getting into specific movements of

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Speaker 1: their of their troops. I think that's probably not a

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Speaker 1: wise thing for me to do with any great specificity.

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Speaker 1: I would just say this that he continues to advance

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Speaker 1: his readiness should he choose to go down a military

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Speaker 1: path here it should he choose to invade again, he

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Speaker 1: is doing all the things you would expect him to

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Speaker 1: do to make sure he's ready for that option or options.

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Speaker 1: There's no indication, for example, day what they've called exercises

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Speaker 1: have ended in any way or are changing in any

767
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Speaker 1: way their presence. I want to be careful to characterize

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Speaker 1: another nation's exercises. We've seen them conduct these exercises in

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Speaker 1: recent days. Exercises are designed to make you ready, and

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Speaker 1: that gets to my previous point. He continues to do

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Speaker 1: the things that you would expect one to do if

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Speaker 1: one was planning on a major military action, and that

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Speaker 1: is to sharpen the readiness and to add to the

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Speaker 1: capabilities of his force. Now, look, we obviously don't want

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Speaker 1: that to be the outcome, and neither do to Ukrainians,

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Speaker 1: and certainly neither do our NATO allies. And Foreign Minister

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Speaker 1: laugh Roth said earlier today that Or seemed to indicate

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Speaker 1: that he still thinks there's oxygen here for diplomacy. We

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Speaker 1: would welcome a pursuit of that path by the Russians,

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Speaker 1: because we too believe that they're still, should be and

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00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: can be a diplomatic path forward. Okay, that's the Pentagon

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00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: right now, literally live they are. Will continue to roll

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00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: on that in the event that there is any clip

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Speaker 1: that we need to play for you guys. But bluck,

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Speaker 1: as we went to break. First of all, I want

786
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Speaker 1: to ask you two questions, because you've had a lot

787
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Speaker 1: of experience in international politics and international affairs of this nature. One,

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Speaker 1: what would putin get by going basically all the way

789
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Speaker 1: to the edge of invading Ukraine and not do it?

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Speaker 1: In other words, what could his motive be to make

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Speaker 1: us all think that he's going to do that and

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Speaker 1: then not do it? That's one. Two. How much do

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Speaker 1: you think the failure of Americans withdrawal from Afghanistan has

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Speaker 1: enabled and emboldened many of our adversaries around the world

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Speaker 1: because it sent the message of American militaristic incompetence? Is

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Speaker 1: that part of the fact in fact analysis here, if

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Speaker 1: you are Russia, and certainly if you're China as well, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me take these in reverse order, and it's just

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a remarkable because Clay, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about law school for examples, and CIA training,

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Speaker 1: there's some of the training we do that involves, you know,

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Speaker 1: stuff that you have to know for the field, and

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Speaker 1: you know, driving cars, shooting guns, all that stuff. And

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Speaker 1: then there's the analytic training. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: you go through is looking at a situation just like this,

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Speaker 1: Is this a war? Is this a faint? Is this

807
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Speaker 1: an incursion? You go, so this is this is obviously

808
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Speaker 1: not a drill, this is real, but it does bring

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Speaker 1: back a lot of the analytic tradecraft that would have

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Speaker 1: been applied in those situations. They try to get people

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Speaker 1: to be able to at least anticipate most of the

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Speaker 1: enemies possible movements. Here on your second on the second point,

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Speaker 1: first look, all you have to do is look at

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Speaker 1: a timeline of when do the Russians get really aggressive?

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Speaker 1: And I know it's counterintuitive because we had Russia Russia

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Speaker 1: Russia talk for you know, Trump was a Putin puppet

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Speaker 1: and all this all lies, It was all nonsense as

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Speaker 1: we know, and Russia took no aggressive actions by and

819
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Speaker 1: large while Trump was in office. We had US forces

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Speaker 1: blow up two hundred Russian paramilitaries in the desert in

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Speaker 1: Syria for threatening our Kurdish allies. And we also sent

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Speaker 1: Javelin anti tank missiles and dragonof sniper rifles to the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian National Army specifically to create a greater hostile response

824
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Speaker 1: if the Russians invade, which the Obama National Security Council

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Speaker 1: refused to do because it was too provocative. So that's

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Speaker 1: what that's the reality of the Trump era. But go

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Speaker 1: back to Obama. What happened with the Crimea referendum and

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Speaker 1: the start of the war in dun Boss and now

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Speaker 1: the possibility here you have a democrat president Russia gets

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Speaker 1: aggressive in Ukraine. Another democrat president Russia gets aggressive in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't ignore these things. So that's your question, Clay.

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Speaker 1: You're asking it because you can see it too. It's

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Speaker 1: clearly there on the first part of this. What does

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Speaker 1: putin get there's the there's the nuts and bolts of well,

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Speaker 1: there'll be some kind of concessions. How does this deal

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Speaker 1: with the NATO membership, Nordstream two pipeline issues, future pipeline issues.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of how Russia could try

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Speaker 1: to view this as an opportunity to expand its influence

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Speaker 1: and essentially get concessions through diplomatics. By the way, that

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Speaker 1: is the hope right now. Yeah, I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: what's really going on here, but that would be, for

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, the best possible scenario, I think.

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Speaker 1: But then if you get into what else could he

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Speaker 1: be gaining from this if he were to go in,

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Speaker 1: Now you're looking at more Russia, you know, irredentism, Russia

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Speaker 1: wanting the lost land, so to speak, of the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 1: Russia thinking that it needs to be the grand player

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Speaker 1: on the world stage in this region, a leader in Eurasia,

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Speaker 1: uniting the Russian speaking people's you get clay more into

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Speaker 1: almost Russian national and spiritual narrative. Now, whether the Russian

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Speaker 1: people feel or agree with that or not, that's the

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Speaker 1: way Putin frames it. Essentially, for Putin, this is about

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Speaker 1: strategic depth. If he goes in and re establishing as

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Speaker 1: horrific as this is to say and sound, in Putin's mind,

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Speaker 1: I think it's meant to be re establishing Russian greatness

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Speaker 1: in the region. And I know that's you hear that

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Speaker 1: you say, by invading a friendly neighboring country. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: his mindset. Well. And what you know, whose mindset that

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Speaker 1: sounds like sounds like Germany in World War Two because

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Speaker 1: the historical relevance there is Germany got it to ask

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Speaker 1: was the undergirding appeal of Hitler's rise. And certainly you

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Speaker 1: could analogize the collapse of Russia under Gorbachev Yeltsin eventually

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Speaker 1: putin coming to power as the Russian equivalent of World

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Speaker 1: War One and now going into Crimea and going into

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Speaker 1: Ukraine is an element of that. Right, It's about establishing

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Speaker 1: Russian nationalistic dominance and making the people of Russia feel

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Speaker 1: with the collapse of the Colin. That's one thing, Clay,

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Speaker 1: that's a critical point. That's one thing that people that

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Speaker 1: I know who are Russian and I've spoken with over

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Speaker 1: the years about the situation of Russia, not just and

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Speaker 1: of course the Trump collusion lies around the election and

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Speaker 1: more generally about what does Putin? What does Putin want?

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Speaker 1: Is the question a lot of people. There's been some

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Speaker 1: he tries to have an understanding of what the general

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Speaker 1: He does actually have support within his own country. We

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Speaker 1: level the Russian people appetite for this military intervention, you

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