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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie Douglas. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Julie, there's something kind of irritating about any

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Speaker 1: of these instances that you frequently find it on the

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Speaker 1: Internet where someone will take something beloved from your childhood

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Speaker 1: and they'll twist it into some sort of perverse joke

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Speaker 1: or some sort of uh or something sexy and uh

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Speaker 1: and it's and you're just like, no, no, that's this

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Speaker 1: is a part of my childhood that I hold dear

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to think about Fred flint Stone

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Speaker 1: in this way or cats that look like Hitler. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that kind of don't don't mix. Don't turn this innocent, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, nicety from my past into a dark carnival

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Speaker 1: of the soul um. And and another area that interesting

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Speaker 1: legitimate um collision of of the growing up world in

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Speaker 1: the outhood world is the question of dinosaurs having sex

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Speaker 1: with one another. See even right there, I'm like, really,

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Speaker 1: my friend Brontosaurus, I know at Potosaurus, but I will

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Speaker 1: continue to call brontosaurs, brontosaurs because again from my childhood,

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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine brontosaurus kicking boots, you know, because these

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Speaker 1: these were our friends when we're kids, you know, these

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Speaker 1: little plastic dinosaurs. If you're like me, you you memorized

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Speaker 1: all their names. Are a lot of their names and uh,

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Speaker 1: and you had a big box full of them and

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Speaker 1: you get them out and they Yeah, they'd wrestle each

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Speaker 1: other and they bite each other, and and the t

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Speaker 1: rex would stab I mean the the try saratops would

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Speaker 1: stab the t rex in the gut, and the t

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Speaker 1: rex would try and bite the back of the the

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Speaker 1: the the trisatops head. Uh. Good times. Yeah, these were

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Speaker 1: good times. And never did you imagine that one day

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Speaker 1: that you would go on the internet and just do

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Speaker 1: a simple search for like donosaur mating and find a

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Speaker 1: photo gallery of dinosaurs do in it. Yeah, And it's

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because with normal animals, I mean, everybody grows

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Speaker 1: up say loving, loving, like little girls love horses, and

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Speaker 1: guys love lizards and stuff, uh in other animals as well,

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Speaker 1: and then you go to the zoo and something weird

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Speaker 1: is lable to happen, like especially if you go to

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Speaker 1: like the Georgia aquarium um, which is which is, which

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Speaker 1: is awesome place. But occasionally you'll see one of the

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Speaker 1: Beloogle whales um, you know, slip out of court screwed

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Speaker 1: penis and go chasing one of the other whales around,

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Speaker 1: and you know, their children watching and and to you know,

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Speaker 1: to to paraphrase arrested development. You know, bam, I'm all

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Speaker 1: grown up now seeing that. So so since you just

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Speaker 1: had that experience, right that Surgi aquariums, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like we we could probably talk about dyno sex. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, because we've got to the point where I

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Speaker 1: mean we're a we're able to we have enough data

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Speaker 1: to sort of ask these questions anyway, if not necessarily

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Speaker 1: answered them. And also, reproduction is is a idle if

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Speaker 1: not the vital part of any organism's life. Well, and

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Speaker 1: if you think about domospaurs too, that I mean, they

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Speaker 1: primarily dominated the landscape for a hundred million years right

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Speaker 1: so or thereabouts um in terms of domination, So obviously

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Speaker 1: just so very difficult to really pin it down like

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Speaker 1: exactly how they were they were doing this. But it's

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Speaker 1: also kind of fascinating because we don't know exactly, We've

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Speaker 1: got some interesting theories. So before we get get back

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Speaker 1: into the the grizzly details of the Jurassic Sorry, I

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Speaker 1: had to do it. The brown chicken brown cow thing. No, No,

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Speaker 1: the brown chicken brown It's like a joke about like,

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Speaker 1: this the punchline is this brown chicken, brown cow, and

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Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. I totally butchered that joke though, so

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Speaker 1: my apologies. I don't even Yeah, I'm quite sure it

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Speaker 1: is and I love it. But anyway, so, um, how

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Speaker 1: do we know anything about what dinosaurs there, any prehistoric

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Speaker 1: creature did or did not do. I mean, it all

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Speaker 1: comes down to it's kind of like solving a crime. Um.

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Speaker 1: There are several different ways of figuring figuring out what happens,

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Speaker 1: several different lens as we look through, um they're out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they depend on. First, there's cladistics, which is a method

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Speaker 1: They also turned to molecular sequencing, in which they revealed

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Speaker 1: the hierarchy of relationships among different organisms by comparing their

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Speaker 1: molecular details. So think of it again as a family tree,

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Speaker 1: fossil record, um, and it's important. Sometimes people will criticize that, like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: this that or the other. Well, that's because we're using

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Speaker 1: it along with other tools. Well, and it's a blueprint

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Speaker 1: so here's the reason it's incomplete, or the primary reason.

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Speaker 1: Sediment has to cover an organisms remains in order for

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Speaker 1: the long fossilization process to begin, and and most organisms

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Speaker 1: So there's very small percentage of the population troll bytes everywhere,

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Speaker 1: but a t rex. Think of it like a pyramid,

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Speaker 1: rex engage in a particular activity, especially especially sex. Also,

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Speaker 1: And then there's all there are a lot of fossils

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Speaker 1: That's just build built that. Yeah. Yeah, So it's a question, right,

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Speaker 1: for instance, finding that there's still some soft tissue available

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing really, uh really all that scandalous about it, right,

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