Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, Done done.
Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to That's Mess Up and SVU podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm one of your hosts, Kara, and.
Speaker 2: I'm the other host, Lisa, and we talk SVU crimes.
Speaker 2: We have celeb guests and up top we chit chat
Speaker 2: just a little bit.
Speaker 4: Catch up. What's up girl, what's been going on? Well?
Speaker 2: I went to play kickball impromptu yesterday.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I saw Caleb post something about that and I was like,
Speaker 1: Lisa was playing kickball, Like I don't talk to you
Speaker 1: for two days, and there's so many developments I just cannot.
Speaker 2: I honestly, I had no shows last day, I had
Speaker 2: no plans. I was truly losing it. And then we
Speaker 2: I Julia called to me and she's like, what are
Speaker 2: you doing? And I was like, I'm reading a book
Speaker 2: outside at a bar and she's like, are you okay?
Speaker 4: And I was like, this is worrisome, but this should
Speaker 4: be worse. It's like really nice.
Speaker 2: No, It's just like an escape room vibe where It's like,
Speaker 2: what are you not doing?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was also like a Kafka book, like it just
Speaker 2: I read like four pages, not even I kept just
Speaker 2: calling people, but.
Speaker 4: I ran into Will but I was like, what am
Speaker 4: I going to do tonight?
Speaker 2: And then I got the kickball text and I was like,
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta go play kickball?
Speaker 4: So what was the kickball? What was the deal? Well?
Speaker 2: I I want to give a shout out to all
Speaker 2: the little kids I saw on their organized sports leagues.
Speaker 2: They're working so hard. This kid's soccer practice was so intense.
Speaker 2: They were there before we got there and there after
Speaker 2: we left. Like these kids were doing like two three
Speaker 2: hour practice running drill. Oh my god. What girls they
Speaker 2: had like thigh bands on doing duck walks.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: These kids are ready for great adventures in their athleticism.
Speaker 2: It was a casual game, but I think we all
Speaker 2: realized we're so out of shape. I mean, I'm sore
Speaker 2: and my knee is bleeding. So that's wait, you did
Speaker 2: you fall running for a base? What's the blood? That's
Speaker 2: what I saw on Instagram with some blood. I tried
Speaker 2: to get a ground ball, like I try, like I
Speaker 2: was playing outfield shortstop vibes.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's wasn't that many of us. I really
Speaker 4: love how hard you were hustling. Was hustle.
Speaker 1: I mean like I'm more of like the ball will
Speaker 1: get to me when it gets to me kind of girl.
Speaker 4: But you know, I pitched for a while.
Speaker 2: I kept trying to find the position that would be
Speaker 2: the least amount of work and none of it. After
Speaker 2: I was bleeding, I was like, Okay, maybe I'll do
Speaker 2: first base too much. Then I was like I just
Speaker 2: kept moving and then I had to just pitch. Like
Speaker 2: that was shock the chillist of the aggressive things.
Speaker 4: But you know, I kicked. It was fun. I do
Speaker 4: love kickball.
Speaker 1: I used to play like fun side softball in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: when I lived in New York and that was fun.
Speaker 1: And actually my team just announced they're having like a
Speaker 1: reunion and I'm like, sorry, I live in LA now.
Speaker 1: But we played in McCarran Park and you could always hear,
Speaker 1: like you know how there's a public pool next to
Speaker 1: Mccaeron Park. You could always hear everyone out of the water,
Speaker 1: and it was always because some kids shit in the water.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: For us in Skochey was safety break, safety break, with
Speaker 2: the lifeguards please clear the pool, something about if you
Speaker 2: were under the age of fifteen, you must exit the water.
Speaker 2: It was like adult swim every hour for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of ashamed. I can't remember all of it.
Speaker 2: It was so many years of my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we like were part of a public pool that
Speaker 1: was down the street from us, and I hated adult swim.
Speaker 1: I was like, why did the adults just get to
Speaker 1: take over the pool?
Speaker 4: But now you get it, Now I get it. Just
Speaker 4: go get it. Go to the snack bar and give
Speaker 4: me three minutes of piece. Were you allowed?
Speaker 2: I was not allowed to go to the snack bar.
Speaker 2: My dad also snuck us in. He would also make
Speaker 2: me go before the pool opened. It was really.
Speaker 4: We were barely allowed snack bar stuff. Barely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a true tree. Like these kids that have like
Speaker 1: a tab at the snack bar. I'd be like, what
Speaker 1: is that life? I mean, it sounds so luxurious.
Speaker 2: But so our friends are selling girls scout cookies with
Speaker 2: their daughter, and I saw I played backgammon this week
Speaker 2: with a lot of games.
Speaker 4: I guess I've been doing a lot of games.
Speaker 2: But there's a house tab of cookies because all the
Speaker 2: boxes are in their garage, so we obviously got stoned
Speaker 2: and then we were like, Okay, I guess we could
Speaker 2: grab one box, but I guess he's been doing that
Speaker 2: a lot. And the house tab I think is going
Speaker 2: to be huge by the end of this Girl Scout.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bought a few boxes from her.
Speaker 2: I know I want a delivery. They're like, do you
Speaker 2: want to grab them now? I'm like, no, I want
Speaker 2: a delivery from this child. I'm like, this is part
Speaker 2: of the cuteness of it, all the willpower. I don't
Speaker 2: know how they're gonna not take a box every day.
Speaker 1: I know I can barely keep them in my house,
Speaker 1: but they're They're so good.
Speaker 6: I love them.
Speaker 4: What's your number one?
Speaker 2: My number one is Samoa's and Michael did not love those,
Speaker 2: so we did tagalogs tagalongs, which are my second favorite.
Speaker 4: So it's fine.
Speaker 1: I used to be like a straight up thin mint girl,
Speaker 1: but because you know, I can kill a sleeve in
Speaker 1: like moments, but samoas are really for me.
Speaker 2: Samoas are the best, the thin mints. I love mint too.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have an Andy's mint. I'd rather have a
Speaker 2: pepper York peppermint patty. I don't like the thin min
Speaker 2: maybe crumpled on ice cream, like I guess people freeze it.
Speaker 2: It's just like I doesn't do it for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't get it for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't get the people that are Like I asked
Speaker 2: one person, who's gonna buy them some cookies? And they
Speaker 2: want short breads only they only have the short bread.
Speaker 2: And it's like, are you eighty five the short bread? Exactly?
Speaker 2: I don't even know if those are good.
Speaker 1: I do like a Lorna Dune shortbread, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: buy a I wouldn't buy like a box of them.
Speaker 4: No, But I used to love one.
Speaker 2: Pot belly is you know those flower cookies, the Lorna
Speaker 2: Dune or whatever, the flower ones. They used to put
Speaker 2: little ones on the straws of the milkshakes. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't think they do that anymore, because pot bellies used
Speaker 2: to be cute. It was like big peanut butter and
Speaker 2: jelly jars and ma like there used to be more
Speaker 2: of an aesthetic. Now they've gone corporate. Now they're like
Speaker 2: a huge brand. Well they were always huge.
Speaker 1: Well, I just I used to only go to one
Speaker 1: in DC. And I remember like the sandwiches being like
Speaker 1: amazing and like the aesthetic was different, and like now
Speaker 1: they're in every city and it seems like they're letting it.
Speaker 1: You gotta cut corners because you gotta keep growing and
Speaker 1: making money. When you're corporate, it's just not that cute.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I used to I like seeing big
Speaker 2: jars of things. Maybe it's like the costco of it all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Oh, so, Liza, I wanted to tell you about this,
Speaker 4: so I was.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm listening to this new podcast about the
Speaker 1: business and it's really helping me learn a lot, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like a trade podcast. And there's
Speaker 1: this movie that you and I on our way home,
Speaker 1: I told you I watched this movie Till Leslie. That's
Speaker 1: like a very small movie. It made like thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: It's got this actress named Andrea Riseborough who's from the
Speaker 1: UK but plays American in this movie and it is real.
Speaker 1: Her performance is really excellent. And she was also in
Speaker 1: an amazing Black Mirror. I don't know if you watched
Speaker 1: all the Black Mirrors, but she's like in an amazing
Speaker 1: Black Mirror and she.
Speaker 4: Is friends or her hut. Sorry.
Speaker 1: The director of the movie Michael Morris, Right, Casey, that's
Speaker 1: the same you told me the other day.
Speaker 4: I think it's Michael Morris.
Speaker 1: He is married to Mary McCormick, who went to my
Speaker 1: college and is best friends with like Chelsea Handler. She
Speaker 1: was in Private Parts with Howard Stearns. She's just very connected.
Speaker 1: I honestly want to say she's been on an SVU,
Speaker 1: but maybe not. I'm thinking of Maria Bello. But Mary
Speaker 1: McCormick is like very connected, and so they started like
Speaker 1: a whisper campaign to get her a nomination for Best
Speaker 1: Actress for the Oscars, and she got it. Like they
Speaker 1: basically just went to all their friends, they had private screenings.
Speaker 1: She asked Howard to talk about it on Stern like
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and then they kind of circumvented like
Speaker 1: the whole because like studios spend a ton of money
Speaker 1: to get people nominations and they didn't have that, so
Speaker 1: they kind of just did it themselves, which I thought
Speaker 1: was really cool. But now it turns out it's like
Speaker 1: a scandal and they may have violated rules.
Speaker 4: What are they havings?
Speaker 1: There have to be rules because otherwise, like movie studios
Speaker 1: would just pay people to go up to Academy members'
Speaker 1: houses and like knock on their doors and be like,
Speaker 1: would you please vote for Julia Roberts, you know, like
Speaker 1: they have to make rules so that people don't go
Speaker 1: totally insane. So I don't know if, like I think
Speaker 1: having private screenings and there's some parts of it that yeah.
Speaker 2: But that's bullshit because to me, it's like, if these
Speaker 2: studios are spending millions to get someone nominated, that's within
Speaker 2: the rules. But someone having like screening that's chill is
Speaker 2: not in the rules.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, shady.
Speaker 1: I think they're just pissed that they got got Like
Speaker 1: I think they're pissed that somebody got a nomination in
Speaker 1: on this tiny movie by just knowing people and being
Speaker 1: like I think they're well liked in the business, and
Speaker 1: they just went to their friends and they were like,
Speaker 1: this is a great performance, like go check it out,
Speaker 1: you know, and they did like yap facts with the
Speaker 1: actors and whatever, Like what is.
Speaker 4: The Academy trying to say?
Speaker 2: Because it should just be who has the best part,
Speaker 2: like who did great acting? And so by even having
Speaker 2: issues with too Leslie, they're like kind of telling on
Speaker 2: themselves a little bit, where it's like it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if it's a good performance or a small movie, like
Speaker 2: unless you're spending millions, it's against It's just, yeah, I
Speaker 2: miss being a kid and just loving the glamour and
Speaker 2: the acting and the awards.
Speaker 1: And now before you realize that, it was like a
Speaker 1: full marketing.
Speaker 4: It's a marketing machine, like the whole award ceremony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were also saying something about how they
Speaker 1: made They may have been bad mouthing other nominees or
Speaker 1: potential nominees, but I don't know about any of that.
Speaker 1: I just think it's cool that such an underdog story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I didn't want to watch it.
Speaker 2: You watched it, you were like in to watch like
Speaker 2: a single mother struggling.
Speaker 4: I just there was nothing else.
Speaker 1: There was nothing else really on, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll watch this, And I really did, Like it is
Speaker 1: really sad and kind of depressing.
Speaker 4: Mark Marin is in it.
Speaker 1: He's pretty good in it, Like it's she just does
Speaker 1: a great job. Like her performance like really brought me in,
Speaker 1: Like I really have been thinking about it a lot
Speaker 1: the movie, but.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot about Fleischmann is in trouble.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I never watched her yet, I might try.
Speaker 4: It's good, I was, I kept asking.
Speaker 2: I only met one other person who saw it that
Speaker 2: I could chat with them about. But it's really interesting
Speaker 2: the way they did it and perspective, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: I liked it, but there's something that hits very close
Speaker 2: to home in one of the later episodes.
Speaker 1: So that's been on my mind. Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Me and Jared started poker Face last night. The new
Speaker 1: Natasha way.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I'm denying it. Is it awesome?
Speaker 4: I mean, Jared and I just like love her.
Speaker 1: Jared, It's like I would watch her, like truly read
Speaker 1: a like a takeout menu, like I just like she's
Speaker 1: her up to her same tricks where she's like this, like,
Speaker 1: but it's cool. It's a cool character. It's a very
Speaker 1: Natashaly owned character. And the first episode is awesome. So okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you know that I wanted it to be her as Colombo.
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be her every episode, like solving
Speaker 1: new crimes or whatever. But I think it's more of
Speaker 1: an arc, Like she solves a big one in the
Speaker 1: first episode and then now she's like on the run,
Speaker 1: and I think that's like what the whole thing is
Speaker 1: gonna be, is like her running, but maybe also but
Speaker 1: I think on the run she picks up like other
Speaker 1: life lives and like you know, people that come into
Speaker 1: her orbit and stuff.
Speaker 4: But it's weird.
Speaker 2: I know, I watched three episodes of something yesterday and
Speaker 2: I can't even remember.
Speaker 1: Well, you texted me about to watch What Happens Live?
Speaker 1: Was it a Bravo related thing or no, Well.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely up to date on Brava and all the
Speaker 2: watch what Happens. I Actually I'm glad you brought this
Speaker 2: up because I don't know if I texted the I
Speaker 2: think I texted the group. So there's more wrestlers, so
Speaker 2: I guess Peacock's really getting into the wrestle game. So again,
Speaker 2: so there's these twins, the Bella Twins, Nicki and Bella,
Speaker 2: and they had a show called Total Divas and one
Speaker 2: day to John Cino, one's married to this other wrestler.
Speaker 2: But they're just like hot twin wrestlers that are incredible, and.
Speaker 1: They had babies like at the same time as each other.
Speaker 1: Like they did a big they did like a big
Speaker 1: people spread where they were like both pregnant because they
Speaker 1: like got pregnant at the same time.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if it was on purpose, but
Speaker 4: they kind of did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it. They're very close. They've had lots
Speaker 2: of reality shows. I'm sure they'll have more. She's in
Speaker 2: like she's promoting her wedding special right now. But it
Speaker 2: was her and a Bravo person and then the other
Speaker 2: twin was bartending, and they do not get along.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Happened in their relationship, but it was uncomfortable and at
Speaker 2: one point the one that was sitting was just like,
Speaker 2: aren't you bartending, like to shut her up. They also
Speaker 2: played a game where they would zoom in on specific
Speaker 2: body parts and they would and she would have to
Speaker 2: guess like which twins body it was, and in everything
Speaker 2: she was like, well, yeah, that would never be me.
Speaker 4: Those fucking shoes are disgusting. Like they were. It was vicious.
Speaker 2: It was like cat it was like something is up
Speaker 2: or that's their dynamic, I mean, their sisters.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was just a quick fight. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but it was yeah.
Speaker 1: Like one time, my friend, one time, my sister was
Speaker 1: over at my place, and so was our friend Alison
Speaker 1: and my sister and I went to the front door
Speaker 1: and we were kind of having like not a real fight,
Speaker 1: but like a mini fight, and Alison was like kind
Speaker 1: of fucked up and she was, what are you guys
Speaker 1: doing over there?
Speaker 4: Sister shit?
Speaker 2: So like now, whenever like anything's going on with my sister,
Speaker 2: Allison's always like sister shit. Like we always say sister shit.
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's that's such a thing.
Speaker 4: Sister shit.
Speaker 1: It like it's really you and your sister seem like
Speaker 1: you never fight.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know what I started.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be happy what I started watching Only Murders
Speaker 2: in the Building.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. You texted me that you were. I
Speaker 4: forgot you texted. What do you think? It's cute and fun.
Speaker 2: I'm loving it and it's like campy, but there is
Speaker 2: a mystery, but I'm not scared.
Speaker 4: It's like cozy. I know, it's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's like you want to know the mystery and somebody
Speaker 1: did lose their life, but it's like a cozy show.
Speaker 4: Like, well, he seems like a dick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I watched the whole second season with COVID and was
Speaker 1: like this is making me feel better.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, they are such great actors, and both
Speaker 2: the characters are so unlikable, like the Martin Shore and
Speaker 2: Steve Martin.
Speaker 4: Well, how did it Martin Martin? That's wild?
Speaker 2: But I do and I just wonder how Selena Gomez
Speaker 2: got into it. I want to know how they sold it.
Speaker 2: I want to know everything about this project.
Speaker 1: My friend from the Page Program actually has been a
Speaker 1: has directed a few episodes of it, so maybe I
Speaker 1: can get some from her.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, like, did someone write and be like
Speaker 2: I need to get the star studded cast together first
Speaker 2: to sell it, or did they cast it and they
Speaker 2: just loved the show. I'm just like curious, Are we
Speaker 2: now a show business pod? Now we're a showbiz pod? Okay,
Speaker 2: we started, but really quickly.
Speaker 1: Before we start, I just want to remind everybody that
Speaker 1: this coming next week, we are on the road a
Speaker 1: little bit in the Pacific Northwest. We're going to be
Speaker 1: in Vancouver at JFL on February twentieth, and we're going
Speaker 1: to be at Healium Portland on February twenty first, and
Speaker 1: then Tacoma Comedy Club in Tacoma, Washington on February twenty second,
Speaker 1: So go to that'smassed uplive dot com. Please come check
Speaker 1: us out live. Our live shows are super fun. And
Speaker 1: if you saw us in Seattle last time, or you
Speaker 1: saw us in Portland last time, we were there like
Speaker 1: almost a year ago. We it's all new shit, baby,
Speaker 1: it's all new episode and new stuff. So come on
Speaker 1: out and see us. And I think let's get started.
Speaker 2: And I'm doing stand up in Seattle on the twenty third.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and say come see us on the twenty second,
Speaker 1: and then go see Lisa on the twenty third.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: And then one of the actresses in Only Murders is SVU.
Speaker 2: That's I was just scrolling as you were from to
Speaker 2: that Bad Blood. She like plays the bassoon player and
Speaker 2: I was like, that's an SVU girl, small point.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: But the one who plays the bassoon player in Only Murders, Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: well that's a famous actress.
Speaker 4: That's Amy Ryan. Yeah, so she's in an SVU. Oh
Speaker 4: I didn't know she was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in the one where it's called Bad Blood
Speaker 2: and it's like the brother there's brothers in a building,
Speaker 2: there's another building. There's brothers in a building. And she
Speaker 2: plays the wife of like one of the bad brothers
Speaker 2: who I think bullies the other brother or whatever.
Speaker 4: Oh she's amazing. I love her.
Speaker 1: She is married to like the showrunner from Broad City,
Speaker 1: so I worked with him once and was like, I
Speaker 1: love your wife.
Speaker 4: Oh wow. Yeah, anyway, that's fun. Maybe we'll get her.
Speaker 1: But we have an awesome guest today and a great episode,
Speaker 1: so let's get going. All right, guys, we're getting into
Speaker 1: Contrapasso season nineteen, episode three.
Speaker 4: This is from back in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we open on Finn and Caresi walking on
Speaker 1: the street Carsi's regaling Finn with some old childhood stories
Speaker 1: about shoplifting rollos, and holy shit, I do love rollos,
Speaker 1: and maybe I could fuck Carisi.
Speaker 4: Who knows they're too chewy.
Speaker 2: I don't want it. I'd rather have a carmelo. I
Speaker 2: don't need a rollo. I mean, if it's in a dish,
Speaker 2: I'll take it. But I've never bought a rollo in
Speaker 2: my life. I love like a fresh roll Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I love them so much. Carmelo's too sloppy for me.
Speaker 2: The caramel's all over the place. Yeah, but that's It's
Speaker 2: just like melts. It's just like a so good. But
Speaker 2: you know, my name is Kara.
Speaker 1: When I was in college, I had a friend named
Speaker 1: Derek Melo, and he would go, if we got married,
Speaker 1: you'd be Caramelo, which I do love.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Finn's like, I was all about the jujubes, and those
Speaker 2: to me are nasty like Jujub's to me are like
Speaker 2: chewing plastic like I there's I feel like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: like rip my gums off when I'm eating those.
Speaker 1: So, you know, we all have different candy pres Fin
Speaker 1: is old so to him it's like this at the movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of Seinfeld. But is that juji fruits?
Speaker 4: Is that a different thing? Okay, yeah, you know that
Speaker 4: all went through my hat. I was gonna mention it's different. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 4: So now there and your.
Speaker 2: Favorite Seinfeld alsos junior mints. There's a big junior mins.
Speaker 4: I love a junior mint. I love a junior man.
Speaker 4: I love minty stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Finn and Crise, you're walking into the Skyline
Speaker 1: Hotel and Carisi ends a story with his mom busting him,
Speaker 1: making him confess to her and to God, but she
Speaker 1: never told his old man, and Finn's like, my dad
Speaker 1: scared the shit out of me, Like he would have
Speaker 1: beat my ass.
Speaker 4: That's why I stayed out of trouble.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking maybe these two are like walking into
Speaker 1: the hotel to like get a drink together, because they're
Speaker 1: being so casual, and then they it's like ding and
Speaker 1: they they get out of the elevator and there's a
Speaker 1: uniform officer and it's like, oh no, they're fully responding
Speaker 1: to a call and they've just been strolling in to
Speaker 1: a crime scene talking about candy, which was really hilarious
Speaker 1: to me. So the uniformed woman cop is like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a call about people screaming in room two
Speaker 1: forty and then when they got there, no one answered,
Speaker 1: so security let them in and there's a bloody steak
Speaker 1: knife in the sink and they're like, okay, why did
Speaker 1: you call us? Like why is this SVU? And they're
Speaker 1: like look inside the ice bucket and done done. It
Speaker 1: is a pair of balls.
Speaker 4: And Finn's reaction. Finn's reaction is great.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, like and I really would have loved
Speaker 1: to hear him say that's messed up here.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't have balls, and I would
Speaker 2: still go, oh, like, yeah, I would not be happy
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't even like balls really that much,
Speaker 1: like on men, So I don't want to see them
Speaker 1: separated from men.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they were on the bed apparently when they got there,
Speaker 1: but the officer, quick thinker put them on ice, so
Speaker 1: that was smart.
Speaker 2: But they thought mess suggests, if you're like a ball person,
Speaker 2: I'm curious.
Speaker 4: I bet some people like love balls, yeah, and they
Speaker 4: should message us.
Speaker 1: Jessin Maye Palusa used to do a joke, my boyfriend
Speaker 1: is the cutest balls. I want to turn them into
Speaker 1: a pair of earrings or something like that, like she said.
Speaker 4: I just remember that joke from her a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Anyway, they somehow the uniform cops did not notice this,
Speaker 1: but eagle eye Finn and Caresy noticed that there is
Speaker 1: a full trail of blood outside of the hotel room
Speaker 1: that goes to the stairwell where they find a victim
Speaker 1: passed out but still alive. Again, Finn and Caresy, what
Speaker 1: kind of candy do you like the best? Did your
Speaker 1: dad used to beat your ass? I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: man dying in a stairwell. But anyway, it is the credits.
Speaker 1: So now the top of the act one, we're getting
Speaker 1: the victim is named Jason Carr, and we've got that
Speaker 1: beautiful doctor, doctor Darby Wilder, played by Evanna Copax right,
Speaker 1: And I believe I'm saying that name right.
Speaker 4: I hope I am.
Speaker 1: We've talked about her before, beautiful doc, and she's giving
Speaker 1: them the rundown, and she's like, yes, Jason Carr, the
Speaker 1: unfortunate recipient of an amateur gonadectomy. Which I just thought
Speaker 1: that line was really funny. There's a couple funny lines
Speaker 1: in this episode, I will say.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 1: She goes, once the spermatic cord is severed, the testicles
Speaker 1: are just medical waste. And I love that, Like, once
Speaker 1: you got your balls cut off, it's not like your dick.
Speaker 4: You can get your dick reattached.
Speaker 1: I think once your sperm the testicles have left the building,
Speaker 1: they're gone. So he'll be okay, she says, with plastic surgery, prosthetics, hormones.
Speaker 1: But he had no defensive wounds and his top screen
Speaker 1: showed drugs and a high blood alcohol level, so he
Speaker 1: was quote unquote thoroughly zonked when he gave up the
Speaker 1: family jewels.
Speaker 4: I like that as well.
Speaker 1: Benson gets a phone call and when she hangs up,
Speaker 1: she's like, all right, I've been cleared of all of
Speaker 1: my charges and the ACS investigation about Noah's bruises from
Speaker 1: when this little shit tried to run into the street
Speaker 1: and his mom saved his life and then she had
Speaker 1: a full ACS report about it, which is so stressful
Speaker 1: and so now and a part of the whole Benson
Speaker 1: can't be happy crusade that goes on in the show.
Speaker 1: So now, Finn and Careesi are talking to the woman
Speaker 1: who made the nine one one call at the hotel,
Speaker 1: and she she's a realtor. She's like out placing a
Speaker 1: sign and she's like, I was there visiting a friend.
Speaker 1: I heard a man and woman's screaming, and so after
Speaker 1: I left the hotel, I called nine one one, And
Speaker 1: Finn goes, why not knock on the door and see
Speaker 1: if anyone needed help, Which I'm like, that's asking a
Speaker 1: lot of a woman, considering how men kill women all
Speaker 1: the time, Like, I don't think you need to like
Speaker 1: go get involved in a domestic dispute.
Speaker 4: Calling nine one one is enough.
Speaker 1: I would say, unless you have backup or other friends
Speaker 1: or a weapon or something like.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: They usually encourage like don't get involved in yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like get in there, bitch.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's a weird thing of Finn too, to be
Speaker 1: like why do you go in there and help? Like
Speaker 1: it's not like it was a person passed out on
Speaker 1: the street who you can help. But anyway, Nora goes
Speaker 1: it wasn't my business and I called nine one one,
Speaker 1: so I thought.
Speaker 4: She did her job.
Speaker 1: So now Finn and Careesi are at the home of
Speaker 1: Julie Wade and she says she booked a room at
Speaker 1: this They don't really tell you why they're talking to
Speaker 1: Julie Wade.
Speaker 4: You do find out that it was her room.
Speaker 1: Room two forty was her room, and so just I
Speaker 1: it seems obvious, but they didn't connect it initially. So
Speaker 1: Julie Wade, they're like you, She answers the door, and
Speaker 1: they're like, HI, were the cops. You booked a room
Speaker 1: at the Skylight with your visa And she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was home with my boyfriend. And then
Speaker 1: this boyfriend shows up and he's a true SVU cartoon
Speaker 1: character as he comes out Yeah, an asshole, like the
Speaker 1: typical abusive boyfriend that's.
Speaker 4: Like, Julie, where are you?
Speaker 1: And then he comes out and sees two men at
Speaker 1: the door and goes, who are these mopes? Like just
Speaker 1: rude and like horrible, And then she he's like, make
Speaker 1: me something to eat before I gotta go to work,
Speaker 1: and it's like, Julie, you and danger girl get the
Speaker 1: fuck out of there. And she looks in her wallet
Speaker 1: and the card that they say she used to book
Speaker 1: this hotel room is gone, and so she's like, oh damn,
Speaker 1: I mustle left it at Costco. And they show her
Speaker 1: the picture of the guy with the missing balls and
Speaker 1: she does not recognize him. So as they're leaving, Finn's like,
Speaker 1: this is sketchy, and he goes, my money's on Stanley
Speaker 1: Kowalski in there, which I love.
Speaker 4: A streetcar reference from Finn. That's very fun.
Speaker 1: And he takes a picture of the motorcycle and the
Speaker 1: car in the driveway and says, tu will run the
Speaker 1: easy passes. So now Benson and Stable are talking to
Speaker 1: the victim, Jason, who says, I ducked into the bar
Speaker 1: to kill some time. There was a hottie there named Angela.
Speaker 1: We started chatting it up, and then he says they
Speaker 1: showed him a picture of Julie Wade and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's not even close. And it's like, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I felt like he was being rude like or something.
Speaker 1: Felt like he was like, she's not as hot as
Speaker 1: the woman I went upstairs with. But he said they
Speaker 1: had some cocktails. She invited him upstairs. She made him
Speaker 1: a drink from the mini bar, and then they started
Speaker 1: quote unquote getting friendly, like handshakes, high fives, you get it.
Speaker 1: This is the old Kim Rowlins Floutest Special, you know,
Speaker 1: come up to the mini bar and get drugged. And
Speaker 1: that's the last thing he remembers. He says he came
Speaker 1: to he saw all the blood and then he starts
Speaker 1: crying and he's like, I haven't even told my wife yet.
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, this man's also cheating. What's going
Speaker 1: on at the precinct?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I like this factor and I think he's been in
Speaker 2: a few other svus.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's so familiar. And I'm an asshole and
Speaker 1: didn't look him up.
Speaker 2: I think he's also been in like comedy stuff Like
Speaker 2: I like him, Okay, I know where I know this guy.
Speaker 2: So he's in deep, he's ONP and Veep, he's in
Speaker 2: the debate.
Speaker 4: He's like one of the like the idiots.
Speaker 1: He's one of the idiots running for running. Okay, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he is really funny. I meant to look him up.
Speaker 2: What's his name, Paul Fitzgerald. But he has sixty four?
Speaker 2: I mean he's working. And then his other svus are
Speaker 2: tortured in season four and Criminal Hatred in season fourteen.
Speaker 4: So you know an SVU stam.
Speaker 1: Tortured is I remember which one that is? The foot
Speaker 1: one right cutting off ladies feet. I think it's that one.
Speaker 1: But he must just be like another, like a red herring,
Speaker 1: because he's not like the bad guy, I don't think anyway.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the precinct, Rollins is giving us
Speaker 1: a lowdown on the victim.
Speaker 4: His name's Jason Carr. He's forty six.
Speaker 1: He's a copy editor for a trade magazine publisher. He's
Speaker 1: married but has no kids, and he lives on Grand Street.
Speaker 1: So they're talking it out and Benson brings up that
Speaker 1: a castration is usually about revenge, that's like sexually motivated.
Speaker 1: But he didn't know the perpetrators. So Finn is like,
Speaker 1: could just be some psycho that hates men? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of us out there. Uh, and
Speaker 1: Rollin suggests just kidding. I love a lot of men,
Speaker 1: but a lot of you are terrible.
Speaker 4: Or Rollin suggests that.
Speaker 2: Maybeah, men hate women, Like that is what's so funny
Speaker 2: about that insult of like look at these man haters,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you mean the opposite is society, Like
Speaker 2: hate of women is so ingrained in our world that
Speaker 2: we don't even talk about it. But it's like it
Speaker 2: bothers me so much when like, yeah, if you want
Speaker 2: some like wife who just makes you sandwiches and can't
Speaker 2: leave the house, guess.
Speaker 4: What you hate women? You know what I mean? Like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So Rowin's is like, oh, maybe it was the cutter
Speaker 1: was doing someone else's business. It could be a jolted
Speaker 1: lover of his spouse. Maybe it was Stanley Kowalski hiring
Speaker 1: someone else to do it or whatever. And then Coreese
Speaker 1: gets something on the security footage two minutes before the
Speaker 1: nine to one to one call came through. Boom, there's
Speaker 1: Julie Waye, the Costco credit card loser, not calling her
Speaker 1: a loser, saying she lost her credit card walking around
Speaker 1: the hotel and she's not in Yonkers with her jerk
Speaker 1: ass boyfriend.
Speaker 4: She's at this fucking hotel where she said she wasn't.
Speaker 2: But my thing is like, what where do these girls
Speaker 2: get off thinking they're going to trick everyone?
Speaker 4: I talk about it later.
Speaker 1: I no, later, I have like a rundown of all
Speaker 1: their mistakes, and I'm like, girls like you just cannot there's.
Speaker 2: Some trauma, but it's like, of course there's cameras. Of
Speaker 2: course they know it's you in the room. Of course
Speaker 2: there's an easy pass, like what are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: But like where let's wear a baseball hat where they
Speaker 1: can't really identify who it is, like who's who?
Speaker 4: Like let's I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like very I mean, maybe we watched too much
Speaker 1: as for you, but we're always telling people how they
Speaker 1: could commit their crimes better. They bring Julie into the precinct,
Speaker 1: confront her about the credit card, show her a pick
Speaker 1: of herself on security and she's like, that isn't me.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I mean it looks like me, but
Speaker 1: it's not me. And it's like babe, here's your easy
Speaker 1: Pass receipt. And I guess my dad's right, Like, if
Speaker 1: you don't want the government following you, just don't use
Speaker 1: easy Pass, or if you're gonna do a crime, just
Speaker 1: pay cash at the toll or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Easy Path. You can't really do that anymore.
Speaker 2: You can't do it anymore. Then you got to stay
Speaker 2: off the highways. But even then there's light cameras.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, you take backstreets to a location, then
Speaker 1: take an Uber, but you gotta use someone else's account
Speaker 1: because or take a taxi where you pay cash. It
Speaker 1: is really hard to not leave a digital trail these days,
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: Say, because even if I was thinking, you can call
Speaker 2: a car service and pay cash, but like the phone
Speaker 2: number is still there.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, it's just very hard to escape, and pay
Speaker 4: phones don't even exist anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm very munch right now, but it is hard to
Speaker 2: escape the the eye of big brother.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, as much as them. It's even that.
Speaker 2: Idaho killer guy, like he turned off his phone or
Speaker 2: whatever when he was doing those attack like murders, but
Speaker 2: he had visited the house twelve times and then he
Speaker 2: turned his phone on, right, after and it's like you think,
Speaker 2: even when you think you're smart, it's like, did you
Speaker 2: not listen to Cereal? Like cell phone tower pings were
Speaker 2: like the whole case in Cereal? Yeah, okay, So she
Speaker 2: denies knowing Jason, this woman Julie, and Cariese's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so why was he in your hotel room? Then they
Speaker 2: tell her that he was castrated, and she looks shocked
Speaker 2: and she's like, if I'm not under arrest, i gotta go.
Speaker 2: And Carisy makes a joke like, oh, you got to
Speaker 2: go home for your boyfriend's four PM feeding and I
Speaker 2: kind of like that. He's like, get out of their girl,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't know. She goes he doesn't need to
Speaker 2: know about this, and it's like yeah, because he probably
Speaker 2: will hit you or something. He seems like a full abuser.
Speaker 1: Finn and Benson are trying to figure shit out because
Speaker 1: Jason says he doesn't know Julie, so what's the connect here.
Speaker 1: The knights they found in the hotel room had the
Speaker 1: name Cheyenne on it, which, of course Live knows immediately.
Speaker 1: She's like a nightlife queen. She knows that that is
Speaker 1: a steakhouse in Hell's kitchen that is a few blocks
Speaker 1: away from the hotel and is probably where live one
Speaker 1: on a bad date once or something, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: I'll go check it out. So they're talking to this host.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not good with faces. I'm more of
Speaker 1: a word person, and he's like, here's a word focus,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's like, we're getting some old
Speaker 1: school funny lines here this app oh oh, and I
Speaker 1: noticed when I was noticing this episode had some good lines.
Speaker 1: It was written by Richard Swern, who one of our
Speaker 1: listeners named Randy came to our Boston show and told
Speaker 1: us that she knows him, so maybe we'll get him
Speaker 1: on the pod soon because he seems like a funny
Speaker 1: writer and would be fun. So this hostess, his name
Speaker 1: is Lilah, and Carisi starts laying it on. She's very beautiful,
Speaker 1: and Carisy's like, Lila, are you on ig? And she's
Speaker 1: like yes, and he's like Tinder and she's like, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you like to know? And then he's like Facebook and
Speaker 1: she's like duh, and it's like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I don't think anybody young and beautiful was
Speaker 1: really on Facebook that much anymore. I mean, I'm still
Speaker 1: on it for like mom groups, like I'm just not
Speaker 1: on it like for social stuff that much. And he's
Speaker 1: convincing her that's that she's already a pro and identifying
Speaker 1: people because she's on social media, and it's like, okay, Carisy,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you got through there. But his
Speaker 1: flirting does make her fetus and she says, I've never
Speaker 1: seen the guy before, but I'm pretty sure, Julie, she
Speaker 1: points to Julie, I'm pretty sure she was here that night.
Speaker 1: She had dinner with a regular named Evelyn Bundy. So
Speaker 1: Evelyn is a regular at a steakhouse, and.
Speaker 2: There were well, the millionaire matchmaker Patty Sanger says, if
Speaker 2: you want to meet men, you go to the palms,
Speaker 2: go to steakhouses. Yeah, you sit at the palms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe that's what Yanne's up. So, I mean, Evelyn, my
Speaker 2: old boss, loved the poem. I was on the phone
Speaker 2: with the palm multiple times a week.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And she said there were three of them, and Nora
Speaker 1: Galen is the one that picked up the check.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Oh, that is the realtor girl who.
Speaker 1: Called nine one one. So now something is up how
Speaker 1: are these three ladies all connected. At the precinc we
Speaker 1: do see Evelyn talking to Rollins, we don't really hear
Speaker 1: what they're saying. And then Finn strolls in with Nora
Speaker 1: and walks her by Evelyn and they like make on
Speaker 1: eye contact but don't acknowledge.
Speaker 4: Each other in any way.
Speaker 1: So they bring Nora into a room and they're like,
Speaker 1: we need to verify what friend you were visiting at
Speaker 1: the hotel, what their room number was, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't really feel comfort giving out that information. And
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, weirdo, where were you before the hotel?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I was by myself. And it's like
Speaker 1: they have credit card receipts, like do you not understand
Speaker 1: about credit card receipts? Like are you going to argue
Speaker 1: that you had a dinner by yourself for like two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars at a steakhouse? I guess treat yourself. But
Speaker 1: they know that you were with Julian Evelyn and she's like, oh, okay, yeah, Julie,
Speaker 1: I remember her now. And then they're like what about Evelyn.
Speaker 1: She's like Nope, don't know her. It's like give it
Speaker 1: up and she's like, I just met her that night
Speaker 1: and I know her as eve They were like, we
Speaker 1: just walked you past her and you didn't recognize her.
Speaker 1: She's like, you didn't say anything, and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I didn't even recognize her.
Speaker 4: So it's all of this.
Speaker 1: Honestly, people on the show usually give it up a
Speaker 1: lot quicker, and these women are just like lies, lies, lies,
Speaker 1: Like really I almost respect it, Like they're just keeping
Speaker 1: digging and hoping that it will work.
Speaker 4: And finally she.
Speaker 1: Realizes the jig is up, and plus Careese tells her
Speaker 1: to cut the crap, and she's like, I'm done talking.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Evelyn who is talking to
Speaker 1: Rollins and she says, I go to that bar a lot.
Speaker 1: They got half pre cocktail hour, which I'm finding hard
Speaker 1: to believe that a steakhouse has that great book of
Speaker 1: a happy hour, because cocktails there are usually like eighteen dollars.
Speaker 2: No, but maybe at the bar, like maybe at the
Speaker 2: bar the cocktail tables they have their own little menu.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. So anyway, Evelyn's in there trying
Speaker 1: to catch a man. I don't get it, but she's there,
Speaker 1: she says, and she's like, I had never met these
Speaker 1: women before. I met them at the bar at a
Speaker 1: bar uh, and then they were nice enough to take
Speaker 1: me to dinner and she's like, I don't remember.
Speaker 4: They go what about Jason Carr? And she's like, I
Speaker 4: meet a lot of men.
Speaker 1: I don't think I know who that is, like blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, but you can kind of tell she's stone Walling.
Speaker 1: And she looks at his photo with the classic SVU
Speaker 1: like I flicker where it's like you definitely know something,
Speaker 1: but she goes, Nope, don't know him, you know, And
Speaker 1: then she goes to take her anxiety medication, and Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, pills booze, what's going on in your life
Speaker 1: right now, Evelyn? And it's like she's on anti anxiety
Speaker 1: medication and she was at a bar having a drink
Speaker 1: with friends.
Speaker 4: I don't really think that's like she's self.
Speaker 1: Destructing, but you know, Rollins is looking for a way
Speaker 1: in and she Evelyn does not care to share with
Speaker 1: Rollins what is going on. And Rollins is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well this guy got neutered right around the time that
Speaker 1: you were enjoying a lovely meal with these two strange
Speaker 1: women that you just met, so what's going on? And
Speaker 1: then she lawyers up. So the women are clamming up
Speaker 1: one by one. Back at the precinct, we've got Coreesy
Speaker 1: at the corkboard breaking it all down. He's like Nora's
Speaker 1: a realtor in Hastings. Julie keeps keeps house for some
Speaker 1: bro and Yonkers, and Evelyn is a bartender in the city.
Speaker 1: But then Benson notices that Evelyn's license says Katona, and
Speaker 1: that means all three of these ladies have a tie
Speaker 1: to Westchester County.
Speaker 4: And I grew up right down the street from Westchester County.
Speaker 1: My house is three houses away from the Westchester County border,
Speaker 1: so I did grow up listening to an ad for
Speaker 1: the Westchester County Fair, and this really reminded me of it.
Speaker 1: It's like rides and attraction, non stop action at the
Speaker 1: Westchester County Fair, and it was just really funny. They
Speaker 1: tried to make it sound like it was in Alabama,
Speaker 1: and it was in Westchester County, New York.
Speaker 2: Is it the same kind of like county fair that
Speaker 2: is stereotypical of like Iowa or the South?
Speaker 1: Did you ever, No, I never went. I would have
Speaker 1: loved to but I never got to go. But it
Speaker 1: was on the radio all the time at the Westchester
Speaker 1: County Fair, and I always wanted to go, And but
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like you know, weighing,
Speaker 1: guessing a pig's weight and all the stuff that you
Speaker 1: get at a regular county fair, or if it was
Speaker 1: just like rides.
Speaker 4: Well, I just tried a.
Speaker 2: Funny sketch, like a Westchester Fair is hysterical to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like instead of buttercarving, I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: like hiding your mistress. Yeah, like Westchester's like where Scarsdale is,
Speaker 2: it's like very I don't know, it's just it's the
Speaker 2: It has some towns that are not as wealthy, some
Speaker 2: towns that are very very wealthy, sometimes that are very Jewish.
Speaker 4: It's just funny, yeah, for there to be a county fair.
Speaker 1: So anyway, these women were all born in seventy nine
Speaker 1: or seventy eight, So let's check the high school. Nora's
Speaker 1: LinkedIn page lol says Packard Prep in Ryebrook, which I
Speaker 1: know of Ryebrook as well. And Benson's like, is there
Speaker 1: a yearbook online from ninety five? And I don't think
Speaker 1: most yearbooks are online, but they immediately are like booby
Speaker 1: boop and like pull up a yearbook.
Speaker 4: Maybe cops have access to some kind of yearbook day base.
Speaker 1: I don't know about, but I've never been able to
Speaker 1: find my own yearbook stuff online. And it turns out
Speaker 1: done done. All three of these girls went to the
Speaker 1: same school. Julie was a junior and the other two
Speaker 1: were sophomores. And twist, they were all in the Updike
Speaker 1: Literary Club and look who was their advisor but bumb
Speaker 1: bomb Jason Carr. So now there's the connect. All three
Speaker 1: of these women were in a club.
Speaker 2: Now, if this wasn't RSVU detectives, do you think they
Speaker 2: would have gotten caught? Do you think someone would have
Speaker 2: done the yearbook and tried to connect them and find
Speaker 2: Jason Carr? Yes, because it's like a dude's dick.
Speaker 4: Actually getting cut off.
Speaker 2: Like do you think just regular cops would be able
Speaker 2: to do this or to It depends? Like I do
Speaker 2: think that in some cases, like when the cops are
Speaker 2: trying to find like a shooter that's on the loose,
Speaker 2: or find like someone like the Boston bomber, I think
Speaker 2: they pull out all the fucking stops and they are
Speaker 2: very good at finding footage and doing all this shit,
Speaker 2: but like a guys being castrated, I don't know if
Speaker 2: they put all this effort in.
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's a great question. What do you think.
Speaker 2: I think yes, just because it's the balls. I didn't
Speaker 2: when I first asked it. When I first asked it,
Speaker 2: it was a leading question where I was like, of
Speaker 2: course they wouldn't. But then I was like, I think
Speaker 2: they might have empathy for this guy missing his balls,
Speaker 2: and maybe like but then I think about like the
Speaker 2: West the Boogeyman crime we covered and how the woman
Speaker 2: was like I think it's a ninety four Mercury and
Speaker 2: it was actually a ninety five Mercury and they just
Speaker 2: didn't open the scope research and more women went missing.
Speaker 2: So to me, I just can't imagine them like finding
Speaker 2: a yearbook and connecting club sponsors, but so quickly.
Speaker 1: I mean it's obviously television, but all of this has
Speaker 1: done so fast. All the yearbooks are online everybody, like
Speaker 1: the club photos are online. Like you might be able
Speaker 1: to find what high school I went to and what
Speaker 1: year I graduated randomly and some kind of weird database,
Speaker 1: but there's not gonna be a club of me writing
Speaker 1: for the school newspaper. I don't think that picture's up online,
Speaker 1: but I will put it on the Instagram if people
Speaker 1: are interested anyway.
Speaker 4: So now at the top of.
Speaker 1: Act two, we're at Carr's house and they're showing him
Speaker 1: the yearbook and he's like, oh my god, I taught
Speaker 1: there twenty years ago. I don't really remember anything or
Speaker 1: any of the people or the students, and Rollins throws
Speaker 1: down pictures of the three women.
Speaker 4: And this is when we see.
Speaker 1: Carr's very young wife is there, like she looks much
Speaker 1: younger than him, and Jason is denying that she.
Speaker 2: Looks of like a different time, like she looks like
Speaker 2: little women time.
Speaker 4: She has very porcelain skin.
Speaker 2: Oh she's very little princess, very dark like snow white
Speaker 2: vibes like very olden day kept princess. I feel she actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: her skin was quite alabaster. And so he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: these women had nothing to do with it, and he's
Speaker 2: he's obviously stonewalling. He's like, I just want to move
Speaker 2: this all behind me and move on and put it
Speaker 2: all behind me. It was bad enough I had to
Speaker 2: confess to cheating on my wife, but you know, in
Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours she's completely processed it and
Speaker 2: forgiven me completely right, honey, And she's like totally, Like
Speaker 2: it's so funny. And then he asks the cops to leave,
Speaker 2: and as they're leaving, Rollins goes his child bride knows
Speaker 2: he's something and it was really making me laugh.
Speaker 4: And in Benson's office, child Bride is a funny ur.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean anything funny and it's very serious, but
Speaker 2: saying child Bride is funny.
Speaker 1: In Benson's office, she's there with Barbara selling him on
Speaker 1: the case, and he's like, I cannot prosecute the assault
Speaker 1: unless the victim makes an ID and then Cariese goes,
Speaker 1: why don't we charge all three with obstruction for obfuscating
Speaker 1: our investigation? And Barbara looks at Carisi and goes, obfuscate yummy,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you want to fuck Kriese? Like
Speaker 1: I get it's so funny to me when everybody's like
Speaker 1: Barbara and live and I'm like, I don't get a
Speaker 1: full gay vibe from Barbara.
Speaker 4: I get a very bisexual vibe from Barba.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like Barbara wants to fuck everybody like
Speaker 1: and so I just was like, oh, I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever noticed that he truly looks like he's flirting
Speaker 1: with Caresi in this scene, like turned on by his
Speaker 1: vocab choice. So anyway, Benson's like, yeah, the obstruction charge
Speaker 1: could be the leverage we need to get these ladies
Speaker 1: to talk. And Barba's like, yeah, you could do it,
Speaker 1: but get car on board or this train is going nowhere.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's upon about cars and trains,
Speaker 1: but I like it. And then Benson says, get their
Speaker 1: asses for obstruction and put them in the same holding cell.
Speaker 4: Everyone leaves the office to go do their.
Speaker 1: Business, and then in walks hot Hottie Trevor Langan mister
Speaker 1: Marishka Hargate aka the Personal Laundry spokesman, and he's there
Speaker 1: to do a scene with his fucking wife and I
Speaker 1: love it, and he's like, you don't return my calls,
Speaker 1: and he's got some bad news. When he helped Olivia
Speaker 1: do the adoption, he was under the impression that Ellie
Speaker 1: Porter's parents were both dead, which is what Ellie told Live,
Speaker 1: but she lied and done done. Ellie's mother, Sheila Porter,
Speaker 1: is still alive, and Sheila has filed a petition to
Speaker 1: vacate the adoption. And I'm sure there's lawyers who listen
Speaker 1: to this who would know more about this than I do.
Speaker 1: But like I'm a as a costa worker, as I've
Speaker 1: told you guys before that I am it is my
Speaker 1: job to try to locate family members of the case
Speaker 1: i've worked with, because the foster system is designed that,
Speaker 1: like kids can go to a family member, so like
Speaker 1: almost any distant family member over a stranger. Like if
Speaker 1: there's any family member in their life, a cousin they've
Speaker 1: never met, who lives ten states away, if they're willing
Speaker 1: to take the kid, that's who they go to. Pretty
Speaker 1: much in my experience, if their houses, if their house
Speaker 1: is deemed like safe and all of the protections have
Speaker 1: been put in place, and so I find it extremely
Speaker 1: hard to believe that they would not have found Sheila
Speaker 1: in the routine records check when working on his adoption.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, it's either TV magic or it's a
Speaker 1: major fuck up. From Trevor Langen and he's like, there's
Speaker 1: so many porters in New York State, but it's like
Speaker 1: you can track down who people are related to via
Speaker 1: their Social Security numbers. It's not like you're just going
Speaker 1: to start calling every porter in the phone book and
Speaker 1: being like, is your daughter Ellie? Like you can tell
Speaker 1: if she has parents that are deceased or alive. There
Speaker 1: are public records. So it's kind of mad at him.
Speaker 1: I have a huge fuck up, Like it is like
Speaker 1: I almost don't believe it because I think that they're
Speaker 1: obviously shoehorning it into they could have a cool storyline
Speaker 1: with a cool actress who's going to play Sheila. But
Speaker 1: I just feel like, if you're a lawyer, please write
Speaker 1: in and tell me if I'm right here, because I
Speaker 1: feel like this is such a massive fuck up that
Speaker 1: like almost wouldn't would be unable to happen. You would
Speaker 1: have to run social Security numbers and check for other relatives. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Benson is obviously furious, and she's like, if I lose
Speaker 1: Noah after everything I've been through, And he goes, there's
Speaker 1: no legal basis to vacate the adoption, and it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: there is. Did you watch the episode Stolen, a boy
Speaker 1: who had been adopted for twelve years was returned to
Speaker 1: his biological dad, who he didn't even know because biological
Speaker 1: relatives take precedence.
Speaker 4: There's absolutely grounds to vacate this adoption.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he's like lying to Olivia, but again, lawyers,
Speaker 1: please write me. And he's so he's trying to convince
Speaker 1: her that everything's going to be okay, and she's like,
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: get it because I think maybe she knows he's bullshitting
Speaker 1: or whatever. But now we see all three members of
Speaker 1: the Castration Club are in a holding cell and they
Speaker 1: are bickering, and it's like.
Speaker 2: That's march Castration Club. That is actual merch. You don't
Speaker 2: love Castration Club.
Speaker 1: Oh, Like, we're gonna go around cut off, cut off
Speaker 1: guys balls.
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope people wear that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know if you'd wear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, these girls are just in there being like I
Speaker 1: told you we weren't going to get away with it.
Speaker 1: I mean they're literally being so loud they're not even whispering,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, these bitches never stood a chance. Like,
Speaker 1: don't book a hotel with a credit card, pay cash,
Speaker 1: don't leave the weapon behind. Call nine one one from
Speaker 1: like a payphone or the lobby phone where they can't
Speaker 1: reach you. It's like there's so many mistakes that these
Speaker 1: women made. But I think you find out kind of
Speaker 1: why later. They made out they didn't do all this
Speaker 1: pre planning because I think that they didn't really know
Speaker 1: what was going to be happening. So they're being very loud.
Speaker 1: They're like, tell them the truth and they'll go easier
Speaker 1: on them. And then they're like, CARIESI, we want to
Speaker 1: talk to you. They're like, we don't want lawyers anymore.
Speaker 1: We want to tell the truth, and so boom, that's
Speaker 1: the end of Act two. Top of AC three, Evelyn
Speaker 1: is spilling her guts. She's talking about being a sophomore
Speaker 1: at Packers. She transferred there from public school. She had
Speaker 1: no friends, and mister Carr's poetry class was like her
Speaker 1: only saving grace. He listened to her, he gave her
Speaker 1: compliments about how smart she was. Cut to Nora saying
Speaker 1: the same shit, he wrote notes on my paper about
Speaker 1: how I was smart. Julie, we're doing like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a bop around the world with all these
Speaker 1: different girls. Julie's like, he made me a mixtape of
Speaker 1: grunge music because he knew I loved Nirvana. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's some fucking grooming shit, you're twenty six four years old,
Speaker 1: twenty six years old making a mixtape for a teen, like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And they all felt very special about getting
Speaker 1: mister Carr's extra attention. And Evelyn describes how he gave
Speaker 1: her this big conk shell and he said it was
Speaker 1: a metaphor for me, a treasure washed up by the
Speaker 1: waves playing on the outside and inside shiny and smooth
Speaker 1: with pink and orange swirls, and it's like ugh. And
Speaker 1: she was sixteen at the time, and Nora said, the
Speaker 1: first time and then they're gone, Nora, and Nora's like,
Speaker 1: the first time we ever had sex. He brought me
Speaker 1: to his apartment to watch a film and then with Evelyn,
Speaker 1: and he brought her out to his car to smoke weed.
Speaker 1: And then Julie tells her story and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: when I showed up to the place we were supposed
Speaker 1: to meet, he didn't show up. So she just like
Speaker 1: the two girls got fully assaulted and then the other
Speaker 1: girls like I got ghosted, and but it equally it
Speaker 1: equally not, I don't know about equally, but it fucked
Speaker 1: her up anyway. She felt very worthless that this man
Speaker 1: who had given her all this attention, and like love
Speaker 1: has was now just ditching her. So that's she started
Speaker 1: to self harm. And so at the twentieth reunion they
Speaker 1: realized what was up. They all kind of shared a look.
Speaker 1: They started sharing how this teacher fucked them all up emotionally.
Speaker 1: Like Julie has self harm, Nora has major trust issues
Speaker 1: that have led her to be alone in Evelyn's like me,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, she doesn't even get into it.
Speaker 4: I guess she's just like I'm a mess.
Speaker 1: As Roland said, I take you anti anxiety medication and
Speaker 1: I enjoy a couple of cocktails.
Speaker 4: Well not only that, she had, you know, some tattoos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had. You know, she was a little goths.
Speaker 2: She was a paramour punk girl. You know, so we
Speaker 2: could tell she's dark sided.
Speaker 1: Yes, a little bit edgy and like you could tell
Speaker 1: some maybe yeah, darkseye.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: I cannot hear it without but I see her thinking
Speaker 2: about your husband.
Speaker 4: Without hear them. You're dark sided, like I love it
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 2: Oh, I only know it because of Jared wanting a
Speaker 2: dark sided kid. Oh yeah, but you know what it's from?
Speaker 2: Dark sided? Well you said, Now I know it's trading spouses.
Speaker 2: But I didn't realize that. Yes, okay, I didn't realize
Speaker 2: we talked about this before. You know, I can't keep
Speaker 2: track of what we talk about it.
Speaker 4: Well now because you just mentioned it.
Speaker 2: But I could see her like bartending in so many
Speaker 2: bars I went to in Chicago and probably any arc
Speaker 2: like she also looks like someone that would be a
Speaker 2: Jumbo's clown room, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she And also it's like not to not to
Speaker 1: judge what anybody does, but this is like a woman
Speaker 1: in her forty or I mean in her late thirties
Speaker 1: who's bartending, but was like a very gifted student and poet,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it feels like maybe she's got
Speaker 1: some arrested development from what happened. Like you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that bartenders are not smart people, but I
Speaker 1: think that it's implying like she you know, she didn't
Speaker 1: go on to like write or like do things with
Speaker 1: her passions unless she's passionate about bartending.
Speaker 4: What do I fucking know? Anyway, they they all.
Speaker 1: Thought that if they could confront mister Carr, they could
Speaker 1: get some closure. So Julie reached out to him, and
Speaker 1: he agreed to meet her at the hotel bar, and
Speaker 1: Evelyn is telling all of this and then she kind
Speaker 1: of stops and she's like to Cariese, she's like, you're
Speaker 1: not going to understand this because you're a man, and
Speaker 1: Cariese's like, look, that guy was a predator who belongs
Speaker 1: in prison, and she's like, still not buying it. But
Speaker 1: then Carise reveals he has a niece. There's a female
Speaker 1: person in his life who magically turned him good. So
Speaker 1: but he's like, he's like, if I had a knee,
Speaker 1: if someone did something like this to my niece, I'd
Speaker 1: fuck that guy up. So I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: He's like trying to get on her side and like
Speaker 1: make her feel trust with him. So now Evelyn does
Speaker 1: feel safe and continues talking to him and says they
Speaker 1: asked Carr if he remembers what he did to them,
Speaker 1: and he acted like he could barely recall it, and
Speaker 1: that he was a great teacher and taught them to
Speaker 1: love the arts, and also that they were teen sluts
Speaker 1: and they seduced him, so he blamed for their experience.
Speaker 1: And then Evelyn totally lost it and was like, I
Speaker 1: wanted to damage him the way he damaged me. So
Speaker 1: she spiked his drink with the pills, and once she
Speaker 1: was passed out, she got the knife that she stole
Speaker 1: from the restaurant. And it's like, uh, oh, bitch, that's premeditation.
Speaker 1: And she said she told Julie and Nora to leave.
Speaker 1: So that does a little bit explain why they made
Speaker 1: so many mistakes because they weren't planning this out to
Speaker 1: be a physical attack all of them.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and it was spur of the moment, but.
Speaker 1: If I think I thought, if they were all planning
Speaker 1: to confront and maybe physically hurt him, they needed to
Speaker 1: do a little bit more cover up. But I think
Speaker 1: instead they were just like, let's make up a bunch
Speaker 1: of half baked lies and see if we can get
Speaker 1: out of this. So she tells Julie and Nora to leave,
Speaker 1: and then she explains the name of the episode to Coesi.
Speaker 1: She's like, do you know the term contrapasso. It's from
Speaker 1: Dante's Inferno, which I don't want to brag, but I've
Speaker 1: actually read, and it means to suffer the opposite, like
Speaker 1: an Italian contra means against, So I think it's like
Speaker 1: what it means is basically the punishment in Hell is
Speaker 1: the opposite of the crime, or it's a mirror of
Speaker 1: the crime, Like if you're a rapist, you lose your balls.
Speaker 1: So him sexually abusing these women's, yeah, it means that
Speaker 1: he had to get his balls.
Speaker 4: Dante's as.
Speaker 1: Dante's Inferno, Well, Dante The Divine Comedy is in three parts.
Speaker 4: It's Inferno, Purgatory, and.
Speaker 1: Heaven, I think, or it's called that because it it's
Speaker 1: Inferno purgatorio, and then yeah, I think it's Heaven. And
Speaker 1: it's a guy going on a journey through all the
Speaker 1: layers of hell, and it's wild. Inferno's the best one. Paradizo, Paradise, Heaven. Yes,
Speaker 1: I should have known that. I read it twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: but I took a class on Dante and it's actually
Speaker 1: super superfascinating. It's like really really filled with like a
Speaker 1: lot of symbolism and like cool metaphors and like it's
Speaker 1: fun to read and like fun to kind of like
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 4: But it's wild.
Speaker 2: Like you see people that are just like in Hell,
Speaker 2: they have to be like face down on the ground
Speaker 2: with like fire going into them.
Speaker 1: Like the shit that's Inferno is wild. But you kind
Speaker 1: of have to read You can't read it like on
Speaker 1: your own. I felt like I had to read it
Speaker 1: in a class with like a teacher, a professor kind
Speaker 1: of like guiding me because it's not like and then
Speaker 1: we went to this neighborhood Like it's a very like
Speaker 1: sort of more abstract story about like moving through these
Speaker 1: different levels of hell and then you go to O
Speaker 1: progatory and then paradise and what's happening.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if I explained it very well
Speaker 4: to Lisa, but.
Speaker 2: About that and then, uh, I hope it's as fun
Speaker 2: as Hades Town.
Speaker 4: Well, she has a fun line at the end.
Speaker 1: She was like, well, so I'd like to thank you
Speaker 1: mister Carr for always encouraging me to.
Speaker 4: Read the classics.
Speaker 1: And I love that, like he taught her this literature
Speaker 1: and then she fucking used it to cut his balls off.
Speaker 1: So a smart woman Benson arrives at work and the
Speaker 1: whole squad is immediately on her ass, like they like
Speaker 1: descend on her the minute she walks in, and the
Speaker 1: they're like, the other two women didn't know about the
Speaker 1: so we got to let them go because that gets
Speaker 1: rid of these obstruction charge but Evelyn confessed, so let's
Speaker 1: get her assault one. And then Cariese is like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if it wasn't for the statute of limitations,
Speaker 1: we'd be charging Car with these with these crimes, and
Speaker 1: liv Is like, you're right. Why don't you get her
Speaker 1: down here with her lawyer and we'll see if we
Speaker 1: can get a pleado going. So in the meeting, her
Speaker 1: lawyer says, Evelyn has some more tea to spell, but
Speaker 1: you have to promise not to use it in court,
Speaker 1: and Live says, all right, I have to run it
Speaker 1: by the DA. But let's get talking, and she knows.
Speaker 1: Evelyn knows she did a bad thing, but it freaked
Speaker 1: her out to see him again. She was drunk and
Speaker 1: she just snapped when he blamed them for what he did.
Speaker 1: And then Lives like, okay, girl, but like there's a
Speaker 1: statute of limitations, like we can't charge him, and you
Speaker 1: brought a knife, and she's like, I brought the knife
Speaker 1: for protection from Car. He can get violent, and then
Speaker 1: She's like say more, and Evelyn's like, the last time
Speaker 1: I went to go see him was at his apartment.
Speaker 1: I went to break it off with him because I
Speaker 1: heard he was seeing a different teen, and he got angry.
Speaker 1: He took a cork screw held it to her face
Speaker 1: and then he held her down and he sexually assaulted her.
Speaker 1: And Live knocks on the glass and like knocks on
Speaker 1: it and goes you see in this or no, she
Speaker 1: goes you on this and uh, behind there, it's like
Speaker 1: Careesi and Barba and Finn. I think I think Barba's there,
Speaker 1: but they really rarely break that third.
Speaker 2: Walk, Like I like the knocking on the window, Yeah, comunity.
Speaker 1: She doesn't usually like knock to be like someone's watching,
Speaker 1: Like she's normally like I'll be right back. And so
Speaker 1: basically what this means is because he used force with
Speaker 1: a deadly weapon that knocks it up to rape one
Speaker 1: and there's no statute limitations for that.
Speaker 4: So Rollins is.
Speaker 1: Like she could have just come up with this, like
Speaker 1: she might have just Barba's not there. Actually it's just
Speaker 1: Rowlin's and Finn and Creasy and Ron. Yeah, Rollin's is like,
Speaker 1: I don't really believe victims, So like she could have
Speaker 1: just come up with this, and it's like I guess,
Speaker 1: but I don't think her lawyer would have like made
Speaker 1: her perjure herself and I don't think she has such
Speaker 1: a knowledge of the law that she knows what rape.
Speaker 1: One has a statute and the other one doesn't. And
Speaker 1: Finn and CARESI like no hesitation or like we believe her.
Speaker 1: It's like take a note, rollins. And so they go
Speaker 1: and they arrest Car at his apartment and his wife
Speaker 1: is like, what are you doing? So now in the
Speaker 1: fourth act, Benson is walking into her office where Car's
Speaker 1: baby bride is waiting for her, and she's like, how
Speaker 1: can you do this?
Speaker 4: Et cetera, et cetera. And Benson's like, how did you
Speaker 4: two meet?
Speaker 1: And he's like, you think because he's older than me,
Speaker 1: he has some kind of fetish for young girls. And
Speaker 1: it's like most men do, and you are twenty five
Speaker 1: years old. Like she's like, we met four years ago
Speaker 1: when I had a summer internship for college. So worse
Speaker 1: at the oldest, she's twenty six. At the youngest, she's
Speaker 1: twenty like three or something if she had the internship
Speaker 1: for freshman year.
Speaker 2: And it seems like a lot of the child rides.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I'm an exception. We really have this
Speaker 2: like connection and maybe you are connected like age gap love.
Speaker 2: I guess happens, but it's not as unique as these
Speaker 2: right people.
Speaker 4: Want to make it seem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he does marry her, but he's also still
Speaker 1: cheating on her, so it's like you could feel better,
Speaker 1: like different, like, oh, he put a ring on it
Speaker 1: for me, but he's also cheating on you.
Speaker 3: So live.
Speaker 1: She's twenty five now and she's like, we're never going
Speaker 1: to have a family and lives like, well, here's a
Speaker 1: photo of my adopted son, Noah, like he makes everything
Speaker 1: worth it. And she's like, she says, the most wild
Speaker 1: thing she goes an adopted kid would just be a
Speaker 1: reminder of the night he stopped being a man. And
Speaker 1: it's like the balls really make the man. I guess
Speaker 1: I just never thought of that, Like Steve lost a
Speaker 1: ball and sex and the city, you can still have sex,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it's weird thing to say.
Speaker 4: But she's also a baby, so.
Speaker 2: No, I think if both balls are gone, you're done.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can get hard. That's what castrating is. Oh,
Speaker 2: and that's why he has the prosthetic. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, the from Game of Thrones, like the monks
Speaker 2: or whatever, I don't know, like they cut the Eunuchs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Unich, But the Eunuchs I think have their dicks
Speaker 1: cut off. Oh, I think Unix have no dicks.
Speaker 2: But I feel like cas maybe castration's just sperm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm googling you, Nick. I feel like he's doing it.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's a man who's been castrated. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm wrong. I always thought that they had their
Speaker 1: dicks cut off. You can't just cut off a dick
Speaker 1: because then you can't even pee. Well, you just have
Speaker 1: a big hole. You can't cut off a dick.
Speaker 4: Bomba will live. Okay, I'm so sorry. I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1: It's just being castrated's just cutting off your ball so
Speaker 1: that you can't have sex. I'm sorry he can't have sex.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's like, mean, he'll still get
Speaker 1: a prosthetic, you can still fuck. Like it's weird to
Speaker 1: be like he's not a man anymore because he got
Speaker 1: his balls cut off, Like you're a dog.
Speaker 4: You gotta be a little more empathetic.
Speaker 2: He lost his balls mere days ago, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like they could maybe with time he can
Speaker 2: figure out he's not even Steve had some existential issues
Speaker 2: about his manhood even with one ball. That's why she
Speaker 2: fucks him. It was okay, it was a mercy fuck,
Speaker 2: as Samantha Jones calls it.
Speaker 1: Yes, you are correct, Okay, fine, I take it back.
Speaker 4: He's stopped. But it is also wild to say that an.
Speaker 1: Adopted child would remind you of the night your husband
Speaker 1: got his balls cut off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's twenty five, she's an idiot.
Speaker 4: I think I told you.
Speaker 2: There's a comedian and he was on stage bitching about
Speaker 2: his wife. If I said this on the podcast, cut
Speaker 2: it out whatever, or get used to it.
Speaker 4: We repeat things.
Speaker 2: So this comic was doing jokes about his wife and
Speaker 2: the guy next to me goes, his wife seems toxic,
Speaker 2: and I go, she's twenty five and this man is
Speaker 2: deep in his forties.
Speaker 4: Oh god.
Speaker 2: The guy next to me started laughing and goes, that
Speaker 2: explains so much. And I go, yeah, up top of
Speaker 2: his jokes, he should say I date it, I'm married
Speaker 2: to a child bribe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why she.
Speaker 2: Acts like a fucking lunatic because her brain's not fully developed,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? But he's up there
Speaker 2: telling jokes like my crazy wife, and it's like she's
Speaker 2: over twenty years younger than you, Like, yeah, you learn
Speaker 2: lessons in time, So of course she has these beliefs, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I mean yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: So in court, Evelyn is on the stand telling her
Speaker 1: story and she's describing in detail the night that car
Speaker 1: attacked her to Barbara on the stand and she's like
Speaker 1: saying that he said, you can't break up with me,
Speaker 1: only I can break up with you. And then Barbara
Speaker 1: sits down and it's Carr's lawyer's turn, and this actress
Speaker 1: is Annabeth Gish, who is a childhood favorite of mine.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Annabeth Gish, the woman that's playing
Speaker 1: the lawyer of Jason Carr.
Speaker 4: No, so she is from the movie Shag. She's from
Speaker 4: the movie Mystic Pizza.
Speaker 1: Like she is just a really big part of like
Speaker 1: movies I watched in my childhood, Like you would love Shag.
Speaker 1: It's like about a bunch of girls that like tell
Speaker 1: their parents they're going to Fort Sumter, but instead they
Speaker 1: go to like Hilton Head, and they go to one
Speaker 1: of their vacation houses and they just have fucking parties
Speaker 1: and they hook up with guys and they enter dance contest.
Speaker 2: Bridget Fondas in it. It's like a big It's Bridget
Speaker 2: fond of Phoebe Kate's and Annabeth Gish, I'm obsessed with
Speaker 2: a shag and then she recently Annabeth Gish played you know,
Speaker 2: one of my hometown murders is this woman, Jennifer Dulos,
Speaker 2: who famously had five kids in and she they lived
Speaker 2: in New Canaan, in my town, and she disappeared and
Speaker 2: her SUV was just found near where I had my
Speaker 2: post prom and was just like never and then her
Speaker 2: husband took his own life.
Speaker 1: He cleared her ex husband. He clearly did it, like
Speaker 1: but it's wild. She's just gone, like no one ever
Speaker 1: found her body. And Annabeth Gish just played her in
Speaker 1: a movie called Gone Mom. I think I'm made for
Speaker 1: TV movie. But anyway, it's a wild story. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: sure they will be an svie about it.
Speaker 2: I just wish he wrote where her body is or
Speaker 2: what he did before he took his own life. Not
Speaker 2: that I would expect him to be a polite man
Speaker 2: in his death, but.
Speaker 1: No, like he was actually like a full psychotic narcissist,
Speaker 1: like all the all. There's like a very big article
Speaker 1: in like New York magazine. Or Vanity Fair one of
Speaker 1: the maybe the Atlantic, like one of those big ones
Speaker 1: that I read about their relationship, and it was like
Speaker 1: he was a full like asshole, and so I'm sure
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do that. He also just took his own
Speaker 1: life and left his kids without a father, like five
Speaker 1: children to get away from what he did.
Speaker 4: So it's really or I mean, I think he did it.
Speaker 1: I think all the evidence points to him doing it,
Speaker 1: but you know, I guess I can't say it's alleged anyway.
Speaker 1: This Annabeth Gish, this is her only episode of SVU
Speaker 1: playing a defense attorney, and she's a bitch and heels.
Speaker 1: She's like asking Evelyn, so did you ever tell anyone
Speaker 1: about this attack? And then she's like, no, I didn't
Speaker 1: because I didn't think anyone would believe me. And then
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, because you were having consensual sex with
Speaker 1: him for like six months, and it's like, this is
Speaker 1: a very dumb lawyer move to even bring up consensual
Speaker 1: sex to someone who's talking about something that happened when
Speaker 1: they were sixteen, because we know that she can't consent,
Speaker 1: and that's what Evelyn says.
Speaker 4: She's like, I couldn't consent.
Speaker 1: I acquiesced, and then she goes, oh, is that a
Speaker 1: fancy word that means you liked it, And that's not
Speaker 1: what aquiesque means. And it's very rude, and Barbara objects
Speaker 1: and the judge overrules it, which I don't don't really get,
Speaker 1: and then so she just starts like badgering Evelyn about
Speaker 1: you're only bringing up this forcible rape claim because you
Speaker 1: know it's a way around the statute of limitations, and
Speaker 1: Evelyn is like, bitch, I was a teen and my teacher,
Speaker 1: who trusts I trusted, took advantage of me. And then
Speaker 1: huge dramatic moment, she pulls out the conk shell that
Speaker 1: she was referring to earlier when she was talking to
Speaker 1: I think Rollin's or something or no Careesi, and she's like,
Speaker 1: remember this, mister Carr, I saved it as a reminder,
Speaker 1: and the lawyers like move to strike, and before the
Speaker 1: judge can even respond, Evelyn like raises the shell up
Speaker 1: and then smashes it on the edge of the witness
Speaker 1: box and it's really dramatic. She's bleeding, shaking, holding like
Speaker 1: shards of shell in her hand, and then they cut
Speaker 1: to a shot of car but you can see his
Speaker 1: wife right behind him like glaring, and so we know
Speaker 1: something's up with that little baby. So we go to
Speaker 1: recess and get Evelyn a fucking band aid for her hand,
Speaker 1: and Carr's wife looks furious on the way out of
Speaker 1: this scene. So the next scene, she walks into the
Speaker 1: precinct and she I feel like she's wearing the same clothes.
Speaker 1: It's the same day, but maybe I was like, she
Speaker 1: just ran home and she knew that there was a
Speaker 1: box of Jason's old teaching papers in the basement, and
Speaker 1: so she went and got them. And she's holding the
Speaker 1: Packard Literary Journal from nineteen ninety five and she directs
Speaker 1: them to a poem on page fifteen. Rollins glances at
Speaker 1: this poem and then is like, why are you showing
Speaker 1: this us? This actually like hurts your husband's case. And
Speaker 1: then she reaches into her purse and pulls out done done,
Speaker 1: a shell just like Evelyn's. She got conked too. So
Speaker 1: this dude's just out there given shells to random teens
Speaker 1: across decades, like a full weirdo and now and they're
Speaker 1: all falling for it. Every single one is like, thank
Speaker 1: you for my shell, daddy, And so now Jason is
Speaker 1: on the stand saying not to make fun of them.
Speaker 1: A teacher giving you attention, a young teacher giving you
Speaker 1: attention and coming on to you like that. I could
Speaker 1: absolutely have seen myself falling for something like that. I
Speaker 1: think I had crutches on, like all my male teachers
Speaker 1: that were under thirty. And now Jason's on the stand saying,
Speaker 1: I was really young when I taught there. I had
Speaker 1: feelings for Evelyn, and he goes, I know it sounds creepy,
Speaker 1: but I was twenty four, and it's like and she
Speaker 1: was sixteen, Like it's weird. I wouldn't a twenty four
Speaker 1: year old now, I'd say like, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I look back, and there's no excuse.
Speaker 1: I took advantage of my power. It was wrong, and
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, But I never used force to get
Speaker 1: Evelyn to have sex with me. So then this is
Speaker 1: what it's all boiling down to. He's not now not
Speaker 1: denying that he had sex with teens. It's all about
Speaker 1: this one encounter with Evelyn with the quarkscrew, and so
Speaker 1: he said, I wanted to say sorry to the women,
Speaker 1: and that's why I agreed to meet them at the hotel.
Speaker 1: But then he describes everything that's happened since he got castrated,
Speaker 1: like the plastic surgery, the hormones, the nightmares, and every
Speaker 1: time he looks down, he's reminded that he'll never be
Speaker 1: a dad. And it's like, I don't really care, sir,
Speaker 1: and maybe you shouldn't be a dad. You're like out there.
Speaker 4: Hooking up with teens when you're in your twenties.
Speaker 1: And he starts crying, and this man can cry on
Speaker 1: a dime, so I don't really know if I trust it.
Speaker 1: And because he's this is already the second time he's
Speaker 1: cried in this episode, and he can't believe that someone
Speaker 1: could do this to another human being, and he's like,
Speaker 1: haven't I suffered enough? And now it's Barba's turn, and guys,
Speaker 1: he's got that literary journal in his hands and he
Speaker 1: whips that baby over to car and he's like, would
Speaker 1: you mind reading page fifteen the poem aloud? And he
Speaker 1: has such a smug, barble look on his face. It's
Speaker 1: kind of fun, Like I normally hate smugness, but when
Speaker 1: Barbara's smug, I kind of love it. And the poem
Speaker 1: is called Corkscrew and it's a full poem about being assaulted,
Speaker 1: and he's like, would you say that the person that
Speaker 1: the man reads it out loud?
Speaker 4: Car?
Speaker 1: And then Barbara's like, would you say that the author
Speaker 1: of this poem was sexually assaulted? And he's like, everyone
Speaker 1: knows poems are just fake and imagination and they're not real.
Speaker 4: They're all metaphors and stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yes, Evelyn wrote the poem and it
Speaker 1: was published in April of nineteen ninety five. This is
Speaker 1: very damning, Like she may not have told somebody, but
Speaker 1: she fully recounted this happening in a published work. And
Speaker 1: then we get shots of Evelyn looking very dramatic, the
Speaker 1: wife looking very dramatic.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Next scene, Live sidles up to Barba at the bar,
Speaker 1: and she knew exactly where to find him. It's probably
Speaker 1: for Forlini's or whatever, because when he comes back, it's
Speaker 1: called last call at for Lani's Bar or something. So
Speaker 1: Barba is considering offering a deal, and he says he
Speaker 1: could do four years, the same as what Evelyn's going
Speaker 1: to do, and lives like, but you proved that it
Speaker 1: was forcible, and then he says, yeah, if she'd done
Speaker 1: anything other than castrate him, like broke his nose, pokem
Speaker 1: in the eye.
Speaker 4: This would have been easier.
Speaker 1: He's like, I think there's seven men on that jury
Speaker 1: who are going to feel Car's pain because they too
Speaker 1: have balls. And so they have this philosophical combo about
Speaker 1: like why they do what they do, and then Live
Speaker 1: goes we do this because the next girl who gets
Speaker 1: raped needs to know that that person is us. And
Speaker 1: I feel like the editors forgot a line because it's
Speaker 1: like what person you didn't?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 1: I know, it's like the person who's going to fight
Speaker 1: for you, but but the language is weird. I watched
Speaker 1: it six times to try to understand what was going on,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, it's just like an editor
Speaker 1: took out a line about like we're the person that fights.
Speaker 1: So back in court, it's closing statement time and Carr's lawyer,
Speaker 1: Annabeth Gish is talking about an eye for an eye,
Speaker 1: basically saying like not even denying the crimes anymore, like
Speaker 1: even if he did this, he's received adequate punishment, and
Speaker 1: Barbara wants not only the eye, but an ear as well,
Speaker 1: and so she's like, is that just are we giving
Speaker 1: Evelyn more justice than she deserves. And it's like, how
Speaker 1: do you get to decide how much justice a rape
Speaker 1: victim gets as a like a teen rape victim gets.
Speaker 1: So it's really wild and she is a master bitch.
Speaker 1: I'm loving this for her. So now Barbara gets ready
Speaker 1: for what is going to be a master class closing argument.
Speaker 1: I did say this is one of his best performances.
Speaker 1: What we're about to see. He crumples up a piece
Speaker 1: of paper, like, get ready for this, and he's talking
Speaker 1: about if fair equals just, he's like, got it, So
Speaker 1: we we've all decided that fair just And he's arguing
Speaker 1: that that's kind of we can't let it just be
Speaker 1: like that, Like if a guy whose house burns down
Speaker 1: can just go out and burn down the house of
Speaker 1: an arsonist, or a guy whose kids are murdered can
Speaker 1: go murder the kids of his kid's killer, it's fair,
Speaker 1: so it must be just, Like if it's the same,
Speaker 1: it must be just. Then he's like, but then why
Speaker 1: bother with cops or courts, Like, honestly, if that's the
Speaker 1: way it's gonna be, we can all just go vigilante
Speaker 1: justice until our heart's content, you know, like everybody just
Speaker 1: do eye for an eye all the time, and he's like,
Speaker 1: if it's fair, it has.
Speaker 4: To be just let the blood flow in the streets.
Speaker 1: I say you don't like it, I say, get a
Speaker 1: bigger pair of boots. So I think he's arguing about
Speaker 1: the Pandora's box, that this could like that. This leads
Speaker 1: to of like talking about eye for an eye in
Speaker 1: court and so basically, what are we doing here in
Speaker 1: court if everything can be solved that way? And this
Speaker 1: is the reason Barba is like one of the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time, the goat. He the jury comes back
Speaker 1: and car Is Boom Boom found guilty, and he looks
Speaker 1: scared as hell, like he's immediately like, oh God, how
Speaker 1: am I going to get my hormones for my dick
Speaker 1: in prison? And Evelyn is crying and leaning on Olivia,
Speaker 1: and justice feels like it has been served now. In
Speaker 1: a final scene, we're at Liv's house. She's reading a
Speaker 1: bedtime story to Noah. I feel like this might be
Speaker 1: this little Noah's first season when they made the jump
Speaker 1: from tiny Noah like toddler Noah to this Noah. And
Speaker 1: she's making cute jokes about, you know, the rabbits in
Speaker 1: the book ordering sushi, and then there's a knock at
Speaker 1: the door and she's like, did you invite someone over?
Speaker 1: And it's like all cute, and then Live goes to
Speaker 1: answer the door and boom, it is Brooke Shields, who
Speaker 1: happens to be one of Mrshca Hargetate's like best friends
Speaker 1: by the way, and she introduces herself and says, I'm
Speaker 1: Sheila Porter, Noah's grandmother, and Benson gets that face where
Speaker 1: she looks like she's about to barf, and that's dick
Speaker 1: wolf baby.
Speaker 4: And if you listen, if you follow the show, you
Speaker 4: know Sheila.
Speaker 1: Porter is going to have some upcoming Yeah, She's going
Speaker 1: to have some wild coming up shit.
Speaker 4: So that was the great episode.
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking us through it a lot of twists
Speaker 2: and turns, and listen to our commercials and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back. So this is a New York case and
Speaker 2: I really tried to avoid the New York Posts and
Speaker 2: other sources we don't respect, but I dabbled. They they
Speaker 2: do cover New York crimes a lot, so yeah, but
Speaker 2: very New York. So this case is about a teacher.
Speaker 2: This happened around twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, vibes and this
Speaker 2: episode's twenty seventeen, so I think it's pretty connected. So
Speaker 2: this man's name is Sean Shanack. He was a mathem
Speaker 2: physics teacher at the Brooklyn Technical High School in Fort Green, Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: and you know.
Speaker 1: He which is a great high school by the way,
Speaker 1: I think Brooklyn Tech is like a hard high school
Speaker 1: to get into and a good high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the most selective high schools in
Speaker 2: the city and like Deblasio's kid went there and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, it's definitely educationally top notch math and science.
Speaker 2: So this guy, this little creep, he grew up on
Speaker 2: Long Island and one of his brothers played a character
Speaker 2: in the Showtime show Ray Donovan. And I don't know
Speaker 2: why the Times think that's like crucial information, but we
Speaker 2: are name droppers, so we do like that.
Speaker 4: We're definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never watched Ray Donovan, but Kate Menig is
Speaker 2: from it, like isn't it from Ald Outward?
Speaker 4: So that definitely entices me.
Speaker 1: No, my parents love Ray Donovan. I think I feel
Speaker 1: like Ray Donovan's like a parent's show, like it is.
Speaker 1: It's like I think it's mob stuff, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna cleaner up. It's like the guy who comes and
Speaker 1: cleans it. Who's the guy in pulp fiction, the bear
Speaker 1: or the wolf? You know what the fuck's is, Harvey
Speaker 1: Kaitel whatever, the cleaner upper.
Speaker 2: So he was forty four at the time of his arrest,
Speaker 2: very early in the school year of twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 2: at the time of the initial arrest, one of his
Speaker 2: former students tweeted, everyone knew this was coming, and that's
Speaker 2: how most like a lot of it very It's very
Speaker 2: Louis c. K who's now making the podcast Rounds. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've noticed on your social media, but
Speaker 2: he is out there doing the pods right now.
Speaker 4: He's back.
Speaker 2: Wow, not that he ever actually left anywhere, but there's
Speaker 2: just more places.
Speaker 4: To not apologize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's just like chilling, hanging out, making
Speaker 2: jokes about like masturbation schedules like I yeah, and nobody
Speaker 2: should have been surprised. Like the student, everyone should have
Speaker 2: known because he was very He tried to act young
Speaker 2: with the students and he encouraged them to call him
Speaker 2: Sha Sha. So he wanted to be called shay Sheha
Speaker 2: at work, and he was adding people on Facebook, and
Speaker 2: he was known to use terms like for real z's and.
Speaker 4: Lol, he's like a totsmagoats dude. Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also photos leaked of him in the past from the
Speaker 2: school dressed as a sexy French maid. And also one
Speaker 2: year he wore a midriff bearing Britney Spears schoolgirl uniform
Speaker 2: and these photos of him were in the yearbook. So
Speaker 2: he was wearing like sexy drag to the school. So
Speaker 2: you know he would and being like call me, like,
Speaker 2: I just don't know how Anyone was like, yes, he
Speaker 2: is a respected teacher we should have at this top
Speaker 2: non school. So the time said he was considered cool
Speaker 2: because he wore jeans and had a Mini Cooper. Now
Speaker 2: I didn't know having a Mini You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 2: I guess it was easier to be cool back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: This is like, wait, did I ever tell you about
Speaker 1: the boss I had who I like. I ended up
Speaker 1: hating him, but I worked for him really briefly. And
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm kind of a car guy and he
Speaker 1: drove a Pezza Cruiser. I was like, you cannot say
Speaker 1: you're a car guy and his guess what his license plate.
Speaker 4: On his PT cruiser side. You gotta just tell me
Speaker 4: red pill. Okay. PT cruisers were so ugly, so so ugly.
Speaker 2: Our friend Lane moved to Chicago with his mom's Pete Cruiser,
Speaker 2: but she she's a anti choice and so like the
Speaker 2: license plate ram was like a lot like little children playing,
Speaker 2: like little chalk children stuff, And so when our friends
Speaker 2: started dating him, she had to be like, we're changing
Speaker 2: this immediately. You cannot have this on your fucking car.
Speaker 2: But I remember our swim coach he got a Volkswagen Golf.
Speaker 2: But then he told us that his mom bought it
Speaker 2: for him, and We're like, you fucking loser. And now
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that makes you were in your twenties, Like,
Speaker 2: of course your parents helped to get a car.
Speaker 4: You're like a part time swim coach. But we just
Speaker 4: were like, you loser. It's just funny that jeans and
Speaker 4: a Mini.
Speaker 1: Cooper are what got this guy cool status a teacher.
Speaker 1: That is really funny.
Speaker 2: So yeah, everyone just said he was like a teenager
Speaker 2: and a grown man's body. And before teaching, he never
Speaker 2: really followed through with anything and just jumped around from
Speaker 2: city to city, job to job, just flowing around until
Speaker 2: he decided to move back to New York and become
Speaker 2: a teacher.
Speaker 4: He's a girl dad.
Speaker 2: I know, it's shocking. Once you have a daughter, it's
Speaker 2: impossible to commit crimes. Yeah, his daughter was nine at
Speaker 2: the time of his rest. He was not with the
Speaker 2: mother of his child. They were separated, but he started
Speaker 2: dating her when he was a pilot for Express Jet.
Speaker 2: Like this guy isn't a full idiot, like he did
Speaker 2: become a pilot. He was a pilot, yeah, but then
Speaker 2: he left and then he didn't want to keep paying
Speaker 2: for his house. He let it get foreclosed. Like he
Speaker 2: just I'm not a very responsible person. So reading this
Speaker 2: was triggering to me. But he's not a responsible guy.
Speaker 2: It was just like, yeah, leave this woman, I don't
Speaker 2: want this job. I'm gonna stop paying for this house.
Speaker 2: Like that's kind of yeah. You know, he wears jeans,
Speaker 2: he's a hide So he was a pilot for ex
Speaker 2: Rest Jet and then he started dating this flight attendant
Speaker 2: while she was right out of high school. So right
Speaker 2: out of high school should be going a flight attendant.
Speaker 2: And then they had a child and like separated very
Speaker 2: very quickly. He would also wear his pilot uniform to school.
Speaker 2: To show off and like pose for picks with the students.
Speaker 2: So anyways, back to reality. So he was arrested for
Speaker 2: sending a nude photo of his genitals on Snapchat to
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old in June twenty fourteen. He actually
Speaker 2: was alerted that the student took a screenshot of his dick,
Speaker 2: and he then sent her two pictures of his face
Speaker 2: looking angry to implicate himself even more in the dick
Speaker 2: photom oh god. She told her parents about the photo,
Speaker 2: and her father reported it to the FBI, and I
Speaker 2: was like, why not the local precinct. He had a
Speaker 2: friend in the FBI, So he nepo babyed his way
Speaker 2: to the FBI, who then told him like, just let's
Speaker 2: go to the police. He was picked up in August
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, and when he was arrested, he allegedly told police,
Speaker 2: fuck you, I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: And he was wrong. He did go somewhere, and he did,
Speaker 4: he was taken. He so not only this, like so the.
Speaker 2: Sixteen year old got the stick photo. He then, with investigation,
Speaker 2: faced an additional thirty six counts for years of sexual
Speaker 2: abuse against students age thirteen to nineteen. So seven girls
Speaker 2: over three years were assaulted by him, and that's what added.
Speaker 4: To the charges.
Speaker 2: He was charged with reckless endangerment, kidnapping, committing a criminal
Speaker 2: sexual act, and more.
Speaker 4: And these are some things he did.
Speaker 2: So he did take a fifteen year old to a
Speaker 2: nude beach, and then ABC seven News added without her parents' consent,
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, we assumed, we assumed the parents
Speaker 2: didn't sign a permission slip to go to this nude
Speaker 2: beach in Jersey.
Speaker 4: Okay, he's brought a teen to a sex club.
Speaker 2: He then raped an eighteen year old, but New York
Speaker 2: Magazine in quotes put it as performing a sexual act
Speaker 2: on an eighteen year old without consent, and it's like
Speaker 2: that's assault or abuse, rape, like you what like, it's
Speaker 2: such a long turnabout way of doing that. But basically
Speaker 2: what happened was he convinced one student to accompany him
Speaker 2: on to his subway stop and then to his home,
Speaker 2: and then in his apartment, he took his pants off,
Speaker 2: pulled out his dick, and then inserted it into the
Speaker 2: student's mouth. So that is the uugh, without a sex
Speaker 2: act without consent. He requested two minor girls engaged in
Speaker 2: sex with each other. After getting them so drunk on
Speaker 2: Jack Daniels and tequila to the point where one of
Speaker 2: them passed out, he grabbed a butt of a minor.
Speaker 2: He told students that they should, in quotes, put their
Speaker 2: hands on a teacher's thigh as advice then how to
Speaker 2: have sexual relationships with other teachers. He would hug students
Speaker 2: and press his pelvis against them. He also would like
Speaker 2: take students and bring them like lunch outside of school
Speaker 2: and go out to lunch. He manipulated a lot of
Speaker 2: the girls with alcohol, cigarettes, and good grades. One girl
Speaker 2: received perfect scores constantly and she didn't answer the questions
Speaker 2: like she wouldn't answer questions, and then had one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Oh my.
Speaker 2: So the two main groups of loyal students that he
Speaker 2: had were smokers and children in his aerospace classes, which
Speaker 2: is hysterical to me. So it's like, hah, the nerds
Speaker 2: and the smokers. He knew how to use them, either
Speaker 2: with grades or with nicotine. One former student said to
Speaker 2: The New York Times that he had long seemed to
Speaker 2: be in a quote spiral of loneliness, and they continued
Speaker 2: maybe with these students who looked up to him, who
Speaker 2: cares about and who cared for him. He found what
Speaker 2: he was looking for, but he went about it inappropriately.
Speaker 2: Cool student, I don't know, nice quote. He also had
Speaker 2: a history of problems dating back like before these crimes.
Speaker 2: So on October third, two thousand and five, he attacked
Speaker 2: an eleven year old neighbor named Devonte Watson. He was
Speaker 2: just like eleven year old kid, rough housing on the block,
Speaker 2: throwing rocks, and one rock h at his house, and
Speaker 2: the family said to the Times, even though he apologized,
Speaker 2: it was just kind of fucked up. He took this
Speaker 2: eleven year old, beat him and threw him to the ground,
Speaker 2: and the boy went to the hospital. The Watson family
Speaker 2: was granted a restraining order for six months, but he
Speaker 2: was not convicted and the charges were later expunged. But Davante,
Speaker 2: who's now at age twenty, he said, yeah, I feel
Speaker 2: like somebody who would do that to an eleven year
Speaker 2: old should not have become a teacher.
Speaker 1: And I thank you, Davante, thank you, how thank you?
Speaker 1: Uh missus Traeger. How you do one thing is how
Speaker 1: you do everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but especially beating a child like that, it's just
Speaker 2: so crazy. I can't believe he didn't get like convicted,
Speaker 2: was there not was it like his word against the
Speaker 2: kid's word, or like, I don't assuming there's.
Speaker 4: Probably some race stuff happening there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, so we don't really know how it would
Speaker 2: be handled in any other.
Speaker 1: Kind of I mean, he might not have gotten jail time,
Speaker 1: but it would have at least gone on his record,
Speaker 1: and then he wouldn't have been able to teach.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was also disciplined for raiding a student in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, and then he would go to high school
Speaker 2: parties and this is a thing like this isn't funny,
Speaker 2: but he said he only went to the parties because
Speaker 2: he wanted to listen to new music. Like my god,
Speaker 2: I just kind of like love the delusion. There's just
Speaker 2: something about this whole case in him as a human that's.
Speaker 1: Like, what and this is all happening early two thousands,
Speaker 1: like you would say over seven years. I guess you
Speaker 1: would say it was like two thousand and like seven
Speaker 1: until twenty fourteen kind of area.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, It's like like in all the stuff that's here
Speaker 1: is just like I could almost see teachers doing some
Speaker 1: of this stuff in like the seventies, but not like now.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, but like the hug like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's the thing.
Speaker 2: The hugging and the garden students probably felt like they
Speaker 2: were special or like can I tell someone or is
Speaker 2: this normal? Like it's so hard to be sure of
Speaker 2: yourself as a teen, even as an adult, it's hard
Speaker 2: to like be sure of yourself. I mean that guy
Speaker 2: who like kissed me on my neck out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and I'm like a very capable, aggressive person and in
Speaker 2: that moment, I was like, what the fuck do I do?
Speaker 2: You know? And so, you know, with teens, it's like
Speaker 2: I can't imagine having to deal with all this in
Speaker 2: your brain. But yeah, so he smoked cigarettes with all
Speaker 2: the kids outside and then after the rest they you know,
Speaker 2: a search warrant was issued and they seize three computers
Speaker 2: on two phones, and they found hundreds of photos and
Speaker 2: videos and about ten thousand text messages he exchanged with
Speaker 2: a fifteen year old Shane. Ak's defense was that the
Speaker 2: student was working on a project with him. I mean
Speaker 2: he's like Casey Anthony lying, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: It's like you've been caught and they just cannot stop lying.
Speaker 2: And they also find they also did find a video
Speaker 2: of him having sex with a teenager raping a teenager. Oh,
Speaker 2: the language of all of the news about this is
Speaker 2: so fucked, like you can't write that, like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: also had sex with two girls once they reached seventeen,
Speaker 2: which is the legal age of consent. So he timed
Speaker 2: everything very carefully, like group groom come up and so
Speaker 2: they're legal. And that's why the whole thing with Delia
Speaker 2: and anyone that's like loves to play with the legality
Speaker 2: of like, well, she was consent, and it's like if
Speaker 2: you're chasing consent like a surfer chasing a wave, like
Speaker 2: you're you're a pedophile.
Speaker 4: Bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he was facing up to twenty five years
Speaker 2: in prison if convicted. At first, he pled not guilty
Speaker 2: and remained in jail and was held on a one
Speaker 2: million dollar bond or like six hundred grand in cash.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I wrote that detail, but you know,
Speaker 2: I think fair. Of course, the school and many students
Speaker 2: were split because some people were like, he's smart and
Speaker 2: cool man, he's such a great teacher, and.
Speaker 4: Then a bunch of them are like, oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 4: a creep.
Speaker 2: One student even set her their mother up with mister
Speaker 2: Shanak and wanted him to be their father and adopted
Speaker 2: a free Shanak as their mantra online and still believes
Speaker 2: that he is innocent. So for real, zaes Ye, so
Speaker 2: many students just like felt very close with him because
Speaker 2: he walked and talked them and they felt supported by him,
Speaker 2: and it was all a very great cover to all
Speaker 2: of his abuse. He did not speak in court at
Speaker 2: all except to say yes, and then he ended up
Speaker 2: taking a plea deal. So he took a plea for
Speaker 2: the serious charges of second degree kidnapping, which is a
Speaker 2: class B felony, for transporting a fifteen year old student
Speaker 2: across state lines while taking her to that nude beach.
Speaker 2: He also pled guilty to disseminating indecent material to a minor,
Speaker 2: endangering the welfare of a child, and official misconduct. The
Speaker 2: guilty please did spare the young victims from having to
Speaker 2: testify publicly. Because I was like reading a bunch of
Speaker 2: the comments on some shit I was reading, I was like,
Speaker 2: five years, what the fuck the system is fucked. I'm like,
Speaker 2: the system is fucked, but like that's what happens when
Speaker 2: you please. It's like for these young students not having
Speaker 2: to go public when La so with the plea. He
Speaker 2: was sentenced to five years in prison and five years
Speaker 2: of post release supervision and is now a violent predicate
Speaker 2: felon who must register as a sex offender and will
Speaker 2: never be allowed to teach again. Obviously, I'm happy with
Speaker 2: the deal because there was an end date in his
Speaker 2: head and he was like happy he would get to
Speaker 2: see his daughter. I don't know if he still has
Speaker 2: a relationship with his daughter or not.
Speaker 4: I hope no. So I couldn't find where he was.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find anything, and then I go, oh, he's
Speaker 2: on the sexual registry. I'll look his ass up. Oh,
Speaker 2: I looked his ass up on the sexual registry. It's
Speaker 2: home fax dot com, slash offender details and his last
Speaker 2: known address, unfortunately, is in La nine zero zero two
Speaker 2: seven ZIP.
Speaker 4: So, oh my god, I don't know if he's that
Speaker 4: far from us. That's not that far. Where is that now?
Speaker 2: Casey is looking it up, but I don't think it's
Speaker 2: that far. He looks the same, but with like a
Speaker 2: little gray hair, and he's smiling, and he's just like Glendale, baby,
Speaker 2: It's Glendale. So he is in Glendale. Last known address Glendale.
Speaker 2: It's either Glendale or it could be Los Felis or
Speaker 2: Tye Town. I knew it was Los Felis as soon
Speaker 2: as I heard it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've written that that zip out for
Speaker 1: Christmas cards because I have friends that live in Los Felis,
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you do, and I don't remember it. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's actually not Glendale. It's literally Los Felis or Tietown
Speaker 1: or Little Armenia. Wow, that's a nice neighborhood. Those are
Speaker 1: nice neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: So but I don't know what he's doing for work.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything, but who knows. I forgot that
Speaker 2: the registry is a source. Yeah, good job, because yeah,
Speaker 2: I just couldn't. I didn't find a LinkedIn under that name,
Speaker 2: but there was no photos or infos, so like, maybe
Speaker 2: that's a different one, you know, or maybe he does
Speaker 2: have a LinkedIn.
Speaker 4: Don't hire him.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that LinkedIn would be a great place
Speaker 1: to be if you're a sex offender. Hopefully there's not
Speaker 1: anybody that has the name Sean Shane akhen is trying
Speaker 1: to get a nice job out of college. Anyway, Thank
Speaker 1: you for telling me about that, Lisa.
Speaker 4: I truly.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a you know, I'm I'm a free
Speaker 1: newspaper queen. And I lived in New York at this
Speaker 1: time of the rest, and I don't think I knew
Speaker 1: anything about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really like the articles were really centered around,
Speaker 2: like just the times where it happened, and it seemed
Speaker 2: like it was a quick pleadale.
Speaker 4: It seems quick. It seemed like a really quick case,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: And if it was in uh maybe not this prestigious
Speaker 2: of a high school, I wonder what the attention would be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who knows. Totally.
Speaker 1: It's a good I mean, I had kids from Camp
Speaker 1: that went there. It's a great high school. All right,
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. We've got a great guest. Okay, today's guest,
Speaker 1: you guys, is the definition of booked and blessed baby.
Speaker 1: She has recently been seen on Chicago p D, Chicago
Speaker 1: Med Swat, and has a recurring role on FBI Plus.
Speaker 1: She even acted alongside one Christopher Maloney on Law and
Speaker 1: Order Organized Crime. But in the SVU universe, you know
Speaker 1: her as the conk shell smashing Evelyn. Guys, enjoy the
Speaker 1: chat that we enjoyed with Kathleen Monroe.
Speaker 2: Have you always been fashion icons as that through your age,
Speaker 2: Like what what is your fashion journey?
Speaker 6: No, I love that. I love this question. Thank you
Speaker 6: so much. I do you know what I try? And
Speaker 6: this is like also supported by the.
Speaker 7: Energy of my wife who kind of lives her life
Speaker 7: this way. But like we don't buy anything new really,
Speaker 7: so like it just means that everything that kind of
Speaker 7: like every almost everything I say, like ninety five percent
Speaker 7: of what I have in my closet is like pre
Speaker 7: owned from a market or something or from a you know,
Speaker 7: like a some kind of consignment shop or you store
Speaker 7: or whatever. So it just feels like like I feel
Speaker 7: really comfortable when I.
Speaker 6: Don't have the same stuff as everybody else. So everything
Speaker 6: feels like a like it finds me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a story to it all. And how is
Speaker 2: the wardrobe on SVU just seamless transition?
Speaker 6: Oh man?
Speaker 7: I mean I remember when they they when I got
Speaker 7: there and uh we started the fitting and I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: she's a bad girl, like she's a bad Like yeah,
Speaker 7: I remember they had like earcuffs and like little like
Speaker 7: extra piercing things, and I don't know, I mean, it's
Speaker 7: cool when when that happens, because it just does so
Speaker 7: much of the acting work for you, like, you know,
Speaker 7: it just it kind of like announces character in this way.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I got what they were doing with the
Speaker 6: with the word.
Speaker 7: They also remember the hair stylist wanted it to look
Speaker 7: like I had an undercut, so she just braided the sides.
Speaker 4: Of my Yeah, I noticed the braid.
Speaker 1: I noticed the braids because I remember being like, I
Speaker 1: know that hair and wardrobe did that, But how does
Speaker 1: a regular girl wake up and just go I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna like do super tight braids in my Like it
Speaker 1: looks so difficult.
Speaker 7: Got nothing going on in my life at that point,
Speaker 7: So may as we'll spend four and a half hours
Speaker 7: making it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just giving myself like, yeah, what do you call
Speaker 1: like cornrows am on the side?
Speaker 4: Yeah, wait, what about the tattoos?
Speaker 6: Tattoos?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: Did they add? I have a few tattoos, And I
Speaker 6: did watch the episode again and I'm trying to remember
Speaker 6: it they added I.
Speaker 2: Think they're like some risk stuff you had that some pieces.
Speaker 6: Yeah those were added.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she definitely was like an adult like goth punk.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, which like you know, I I was, you know,
Speaker 6: I came of age in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 6: I that wasn't so far from my heart.
Speaker 2: I got it, And did you know you booked it
Speaker 2: in the room. How was the audition? How did you
Speaker 2: react when you got it?
Speaker 7: Okay, this what a wild thing is I did not
Speaker 7: audition for this part. Yeah, which is like I know,
Speaker 7: like this is a rarity that this happens in my life.
Speaker 6: And it was. It was really funny because I had
Speaker 6: I think I had.
Speaker 7: Auditioned right to the end against Sophia Bush for Chicago PD.
Speaker 7: Oh and yeah, and she obviously, I mean what you know,
Speaker 7: like she's going to get that and she was fabulous.
Speaker 7: And but Jonathan Strauss, who's the casting director who's incredible,
Speaker 7: does all the dick Wolf stuff and it's just like
Speaker 7: a real loyal guy, it turns out.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just just called me.
Speaker 7: He actually, yeah, I actually got a call for something
Speaker 7: else and I don't remember what it was in the
Speaker 7: dick Wolf world, but it wasn't a su But before
Speaker 7: the SVU call, something else came up, and I had,
Speaker 7: like I never get you know, offers are very rare, right,
Speaker 7: like this was a very a very nice thing that
Speaker 7: they were even thinking of me, that they remembered me
Speaker 7: at all, and I had just I had just done
Speaker 7: a series of like real heavy victim parts like like
Speaker 7: got like brutalized in like show after show after show
Speaker 7: for like a little stretch of time.
Speaker 6: There, and I was like, I remember talking to my agent.
Speaker 7: I was like, I don't know if I can do
Speaker 7: another one off trauma show, like I think I playing
Speaker 7: like a victim. And something came up in that realm
Speaker 7: from the like dick Wolf people, right as I had
Speaker 7: said like I just need a break from like dying
Speaker 7: and getting like beaten, and so something came up and
Speaker 7: I was like, I remember talking it through with my
Speaker 7: agent and I was like, I don't know, I just
Speaker 7: I think I need just like a break from playing
Speaker 7: a victim.
Speaker 6: So I said no to something, which again like I have.
Speaker 7: No right doing it ever in my career, but it
Speaker 7: just felt really like the right thing to do for
Speaker 7: where I was at. And I was like, well, they're
Speaker 7: probably never going to call me back now, And then
Speaker 7: the next week they called me back and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 7: do you want to go honest with you and play
Speaker 7: the girl who cuts off.
Speaker 6: The guy's balls? And I was like, oh yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 6: it was like kind of out of nowhere, and I
Speaker 6: was beside myself. I was so so excited.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Now, what about like you were facing off with some
Speaker 1: of the big ones. You were with me, you were
Speaker 1: with Peter Scanavino, a bunch.
Speaker 2: Of wild You had one on ones with Kelly Giddish,
Speaker 2: Mrshca Carte and Peter Scanavino, full one on ones.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, oh it was. It was incredible and they
Speaker 6: were all, uh, they were all really lovely.
Speaker 7: I remember everyone as like, as you know, at this point,
Speaker 7: like the level of sensitivity on that set is really high,
Speaker 7: so everyone was like really really lovely. I remember like
Speaker 7: Marishka just being kind of like like just this supportive presence,
Speaker 7: you know. She and she was like one thing I
Speaker 7: remember she did too on I think it was our
Speaker 7: last day was with the girls, the other girls, and
Speaker 7: I just thought it was such.
Speaker 6: A sweet thing that she did.
Speaker 7: Like we'd been kind of chatting and stuff, and she
Speaker 7: was like very very generous with her like conversation even
Speaker 7: on set, like just you know, just just sweet. And
Speaker 7: she suggested like at the end that we all take
Speaker 7: a photo together, and like definitely we were all prior
Speaker 7: to that like being like can we.
Speaker 6: Get a photo with her? What are we gonna do
Speaker 6: around here?
Speaker 7: And it's just like that's the coolest thing that she
Speaker 7: uh yeah, just like offered and stepped done and was
Speaker 7: yeah adult but like crying into her bosom. You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like people of a certain level like that
Speaker 1: will do that, Like Andy Cohen did that to me,
Speaker 1: and it's a Lisa when we were just gona watch
Speaker 1: what happens, Like he came up, He's like, let's get
Speaker 1: a photo and I was like, well, thank god because
Speaker 1: I was obviously gonna ask for one.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: It's such a generosity, like it's so cool. It's so cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they were all great, like Kelly I remember
Speaker 7: being really great.
Speaker 6: And uh and Peter as well. That scene.
Speaker 7: I remember he was like very just like sensitive and
Speaker 7: seemed kind of like emotionally invested like he was. He
Speaker 7: was really like right there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was good. We didn't do it too many times,
Speaker 6: like he was like really just just on and sweetheart.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's how we hear that. It's like really fun
Speaker 4: paste on there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you, but you've done so much
Speaker 1: other like procedural and Dick Wolf stuff. I feel like
Speaker 1: just looking at your resume, I mean Chicago p D,
Speaker 1: FBI and then the NCIS CS.
Speaker 4: I like, do you have a favorite squad?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 7: Man, I mean to what, like I like watching a
Speaker 7: S for you like that was like it was such
Speaker 7: an unbelievable treat to get to be on that set
Speaker 7: because that's that's the one that I watched most of.
Speaker 7: I really loved FBI, like I did. I went in
Speaker 7: for one episode of FBI and then ended up just
Speaker 7: like staying for a while. And uh, and they're just
Speaker 7: there's They're like a nice, nice group over there. Jeremy
Speaker 7: Sisto love them Alta, Like everybody.
Speaker 6: There is just like just lovely. And that was just
Speaker 6: the one that I spent the most time with. So
Speaker 6: they they have a really special place in my heart.
Speaker 7: And I just got off Guys tomorrow my first episode
Speaker 7: of Organized Crime errors, which I just did.
Speaker 1: A wait, I watch like religiously. I'm like really into
Speaker 1: organized crime. So are you allowed to say what you're
Speaker 1: playing or you can't?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 7: I I actually don't know, but I mean you're probably
Speaker 7: it'll it'll have it'll air like it's airing literally tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I think, oh it's airing tomorrow. Sorry, I thought maybe
Speaker 4: you were shooting it tomorrow.
Speaker 6: No, sorry, no, so I've done.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm excited to watch.
Speaker 6: You thinks I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 7: It's a i mean, unlike such a Stabler head that
Speaker 7: I was like by the time I got to Sbu,
Speaker 7: he was gone, love Kelly, like you know, there's no
Speaker 7: shortage of love there.
Speaker 6: But it was so exciting to get to go into
Speaker 6: his little world for a minute.
Speaker 7: And yeah, and so I play as I play someone
Speaker 7: from the DA's office, who's.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're on the lass side. Yeah, you're on the side,
Speaker 4: the order side.
Speaker 7: Totally totally, and we kind of team up to to
Speaker 7: try to figure something out.
Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of may came.
Speaker 4: Up with Sabler.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really was it.
Speaker 2: He is intense, intense actor, Like he loves to stretch.
Speaker 2: So how was that Yeah as a partner.
Speaker 7: Okay, so moment one he has his leg full like
Speaker 7: extended on the counter full stretch.
Speaker 6: And it was, I mean, it was a joy.
Speaker 7: Like he's he's for sure intense and and definitely has
Speaker 7: like a stake in how.
Speaker 6: The show goes.
Speaker 7: So he's really vocal about like what he wants and
Speaker 7: it's kind of like it's an assuring energy, like to
Speaker 7: come in and be like okay, like there, you know.
Speaker 7: We had I worked with two directors so far, Test
Speaker 7: Malone and and Brenda Maloy, and they were both fantastic too.
Speaker 6: But he was He's really like, uh, he really kind
Speaker 6: of comes in helps to steer that ship. It went
Speaker 6: really well. I really loved it.
Speaker 7: I had a uh maybe the worst probably I felt
Speaker 7: like the worst first impression I've ever had in twenty
Speaker 7: years of work on that show, because basically I got
Speaker 7: called to go to see if I wanted to do it,
Speaker 7: like quite late at night on Tuesday, flew Wednesday, started
Speaker 7: work Thursday. It was really really tight and somewhere in
Speaker 7: the shuffle I didn't see a scripture vision so started
Speaker 7: the scene and it had changed, so it was like
Speaker 7: three new pages of dialogue that I'd never seen. Oh no,
Speaker 7: and just have never felt like like such a kind
Speaker 7: of amateur in my entire life.
Speaker 6: But it was fine, Like we got through it.
Speaker 7: He was like game to just kind of sit and
Speaker 7: run it with me a few times before we before
Speaker 7: we got it on his feet and think heavens above
Speaker 7: that like that was the vibe because it was true, like,
Speaker 7: you know, just really felt like.
Speaker 2: And what do you do?
Speaker 4: Three pages of dialogue is not like are you quick
Speaker 4: at memorized? Like how does that? What's the troubleshoot? After that?
Speaker 7: I just clunked along until I got it. I don't know,
Speaker 7: I don't know, like by the by the grace of
Speaker 7: the no dick Wolf.
Speaker 2: God, that is like the actor's nightmare is like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're on stage and you forgot your lines or whatever,
Speaker 2: but this is like not really your fault, because it was.
Speaker 7: Like I just literally had the nightmare like I have
Speaker 7: had the nightmare of being you know, at work and
Speaker 7: then being thrown into something that I've never seen before.
Speaker 7: And I was like, well, I'm familiar with this feeling
Speaker 7: from the depths and here we are conscious, but but
Speaker 7: you know, we recovered and it was good, and then yeah,
Speaker 7: I came back and did another one, and I mean
Speaker 7: it's it's like it just looking into his face and
Speaker 7: eyes is like, uh, it's a trip because if you.
Speaker 6: Know, wow, I mean like I love him from wet,
Speaker 6: hot American summer days.
Speaker 1: And yeah, same same, you know, I love that you
Speaker 1: confirmed the immediate stretching You're not going to catch Christopher
Speaker 1: Maloney pulling a muscle that is.
Speaker 4: No damn no raam So can I swing to ask vu?
Speaker 4: To ask you a question?
Speaker 1: I need to know pretty much everything about when you
Speaker 1: slam that shell exactly because that I remember when I
Speaker 1: watched that, because I rewatched it obviously to talk to you,
Speaker 1: but I've watched it when it came on a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago and was like, what is happening to
Speaker 1: her hand?
Speaker 4: Like it just felt like there were like shards of
Speaker 4: shell on, like what how did they do it? How
Speaker 4: did you do it?
Speaker 7: They had like about six shells that it's an amazing
Speaker 7: crew over there. They made these like like squishy rubber
Speaker 7: shells and so they molded the one like the real
Speaker 7: shell into this squishy rubber and.
Speaker 6: Then that's what I was slamming down.
Speaker 7: So it felt like safe but also really anticlimactic because
Speaker 7: it was just like a chew toy almost like so
Speaker 7: it was just like using that prop over and over.
Speaker 7: And then they had a couple that were made to break,
Speaker 7: and I feel like the first one wouldn't break, and
Speaker 7: then we got one that did that would shatter kind
Speaker 7: of like a candy glass thing.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was it was almost like.
Speaker 4: A sugar glass.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh cool, because you know the famous what is
Speaker 2: it and Django Leonardo DiCaprio really cut his hand ad
Speaker 2: that he kept going and it was his real blood
Speaker 2: and they used it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but sugar blood yt Yeah, yeah, definitely, I am
Speaker 7: basically Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 6: It's in terms of like skilled, you know, and uh no,
Speaker 6: I think they I think it was all fake. That
Speaker 6: was all fake blood. They that was pure you know TV.
Speaker 4: Wow, Well because I loved it. What I'm thinking?
Speaker 2: So you got one on ones with all of these people,
Speaker 2: precinct scenes, and then to take the stand. You really
Speaker 2: had such a especially if someone that watches the show,
Speaker 2: you really got to experience a full episode and all
Speaker 2: its glory.
Speaker 6: Totally.
Speaker 7: It felt like like I remember just being so so
Speaker 7: psyched to see all of those sets and like to
Speaker 7: be yeah, to like be on this stand. Yeah, like
Speaker 7: it felt it just it was like, oh, this is
Speaker 7: the whole this is the whole show, Like I don't
Speaker 7: that stuff never is was old like it's so it
Speaker 7: was exciting and.
Speaker 1: You got to say the name of the episode another
Speaker 1: that's another track on our Bingo cars. So we do
Speaker 1: for people you get to have like a courtroom breakdown,
Speaker 1: a being like, you know, an interrogation, say the name
Speaker 1: of the episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so you bingo baby.
Speaker 2: So, as a watcher, are there episodes that like haunt
Speaker 2: you or stick with you or like favorites, like when
Speaker 2: you're in a hotel you're like, oh, great, this one's on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I think my favorite is one that I
Speaker 7: think you're doing live soon and it's Beef.
Speaker 4: Like it just it just did it.
Speaker 7: I mean it's the Yeah, it's probably the most referenced,
Speaker 7: like Gigabytes of girls, butts is probably like the most referenced.
Speaker 6: F line in my life when it comes to spu.
Speaker 4: Man, Like what like that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's for sure a favorite? Uh what else?
Speaker 7: Margaret Chow's episode was great, Like I just love her
Speaker 7: so much. It's fun to see like when people people
Speaker 7: pop up in it and yeah, god, I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 7: there's there's there's there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Mark Well, as a Faniel love this. So Margaret show
Speaker 2: was our first live show. She was a guest in
Speaker 2: Austin and we do like would you rather it's at
Speaker 2: the end of her shows and we asked her who
Speaker 2: would you rather get high with, you know, a Finn
Speaker 2: or Munch And she went, I've gotten high with both
Speaker 2: of them. This game is like irrelevant to me. And
Speaker 2: we were like, oh my god, how do you get
Speaker 2: cooler every passing moment?
Speaker 6: Right? Because she I remember her on your sho didn't
Speaker 6: Did you have some story about like Lisa vanderbum on
Speaker 6: you like.
Speaker 1: Say, she holds she held Jiggy and then and then
Speaker 1: Jiggy like die the next day?
Speaker 6: Oh god, it's just legend. My goodness.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything coming up that you're excited about?
Speaker 1: Like I saw on your IMTV something about like City
Speaker 1: on Fire or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I have this show that I'm on that's
Speaker 7: coming out in uh in May, May twelve on Apple Plus.
Speaker 6: And it's called City and Virus.
Speaker 7: Really fun, like created by the people who created the OC,
Speaker 7: like very like juicy drama, really really fun nostalgia too.
Speaker 7: It's in in two thousand and three, so it's like
Speaker 7: it really kind of makes me feel tender for that time.
Speaker 7: And it said new York. We shot New York. It
Speaker 7: was really really fun. It's a great cast, and uh it's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it will be on in May. It's really fun.
Speaker 6: And it's so cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, sitting on fire may Apple, Yeah, you're so in
Speaker 2: the Dick Wolf universe.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. It's a damp of approval on your.
Speaker 7: Sil I feel so I feel so grateful to them,
Speaker 7: like Jathan Jonathan Strauss honestly, but like the it's been
Speaker 7: maybe four or five times that out of nowhere, something
Speaker 7: just comes up and I.
Speaker 6: Get to go and do one of these shows and
Speaker 6: it feels like it feel you know what it feels
Speaker 6: like like when I was a kid.
Speaker 7: I I would watch a lot of Order when I
Speaker 7: was home from school sick. It would play all day
Speaker 7: on this one channel in Canada, and so it felt like,
Speaker 7: you know, like my like take with the caregiver when
Speaker 7: I was sick was Law and Order, like the Jerry
Speaker 7: or Bock days and stuff, and so it was like
Speaker 7: what I imagined acting to be. It was like, Oh,
Speaker 7: these people get to go, you know, like like the
Speaker 7: walk down the street and the you know, the all
Speaker 7: the stuff in the courtroom.
Speaker 6: Like it just felt like when I was a little
Speaker 6: kid imagining what it was like to be an actor.
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, you're like you're a police guy or
Speaker 5: you're like a Bagy on these shows or whatever, and
Speaker 5: so yeah, every time it just feels like doing a
Speaker 5: thing that I imagine doing and it's uh, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: a fun times.
Speaker 6: It's an iconic TV world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't want to be in the Dick
Speaker 1: Wolf universe. It's a blessing. It's a blessing. A blessing. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's so many properties. They could just keep moving you
Speaker 1: around to do with things you could be working there.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, it's like Lisa and the comedy clubs,
Speaker 1: you know, they're all Bucaner.
Speaker 6: We love to hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank
Speaker 4: you for taking the time to talk to us.
Speaker 6: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Anymore, like tidbits, did anything funny, Yeah, like craft services
Speaker 1: or like any other little funny stories from when you
Speaker 1: were on SVU.
Speaker 7: Okay, this was this was kind of I thought this
Speaker 7: was just like really sweets. Mishka was like at one
Speaker 7: point where were chatting in a group about like kind
Speaker 7: of you know, like what our lives are like, and
Speaker 7: I mentioned, you know, she asked if I was married.
Speaker 7: I mentioned someone I was seeing and and she was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 7: like realize that I'm I'm queer. And she was like,
Speaker 7: you know, it's so funny, like like it seems like
Speaker 7: lesbian's really really liked me.
Speaker 6: I don't know why, Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: What I do that.
Speaker 6: And I was like, i'll tell you. But she was something.
Speaker 4: She was like, I don't know why. I was like,
Speaker 4: I've never seen a mirror before.
Speaker 6: I just don't know, never watched the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the hottest woman alive.
Speaker 2: But also it's like caring, Yeah, caring, but like tough,
Speaker 2: like in a blazer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, got it, all of it.
Speaker 6: And she and she was just like, but I love it,
Speaker 6: Like I just think it's so it's so cool, like
Speaker 6: they're so nice to me.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, a great community to have your back.
Speaker 6: Also, yeah, we're there, we're there.
Speaker 2: Well you've seen the episode where Kathy Griffin plays a
Speaker 2: lesbian who kisses Benson.
Speaker 6: Yes, iconic, iconic, I got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a great tidbit. I'm glad we got
Speaker 4: is so cool. That is the best.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, honestly, our listeners are going to die
Speaker 1: because that is they may I would say a lot
Speaker 1: of them are in that demo of the Loving Great Lesbians.
Speaker 2: Well, since you've met them all. I guess, should we
Speaker 2: do a fun game of fuck Mary kill? You don't
Speaker 2: have to kill anybody?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure?
Speaker 4: Do we cut out?
Speaker 2: I guess we'll do Benson Stabler, and then you could
Speaker 2: pick between Rollins and Creasy.
Speaker 4: I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 7: You throw Kreesy in the mix, though, it's like the
Speaker 7: fuck becomes tough.
Speaker 6: Because it was gonna be like I mean, because it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: he's a he's something, he's spicy, another one.
Speaker 4: I'll be fuck Mary kill and share a meal?
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, share a meal. I'm gonna go Benson.
Speaker 7: I mean as much as that's a maybe no wait,
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Mary Benson, Mary Benson, I'm gonna say, uh.
Speaker 6: Fuck stay meal with okay, yeah, meal with uh meal
Speaker 6: with with Ralins not But I don't want to kill Coresy.
Speaker 6: I don't know, guys, it's too hard.
Speaker 4: I don't have to kill. Maybe Coreas' is like go
Speaker 4: make out.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a meal it's making I don't kill make
Speaker 2: make out with Careasey.
Speaker 4: Yeah that I feel like we don't feel comfortable playing
Speaker 4: that with money.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 6: Listen, I'm glad I invited it.
Speaker 4: Well, you you are an actor you know, some actors
Speaker 4: are actors.
Speaker 6: Right, not me.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Kathy, Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: taking the time the po.
Speaker 6: I love the pod.
Speaker 7: I love the pod and the show, and I just
Speaker 7: think you're You're both so wonderful and funny and delightful
Speaker 7: and your recaps like it feels like I'm, you know,
Speaker 7: sitting with a pal just listening to the best stories.
Speaker 4: I can't believe. Yeah, well Bury the lead that you
Speaker 4: like the pod till the very end.
Speaker 2: Way, are there any questions we haven't asked that you were,
Speaker 2: Like I thought they would ask me this.
Speaker 7: Oh no, because you did mention craft service. Like I
Speaker 7: was like, are they going to ask about like a
Speaker 7: craft service?
Speaker 4: Do you to call it your favorite craft service? Now, well,
Speaker 4: I did know that you're.
Speaker 7: Now that I mentioned that, Like, I didn't come up
Speaker 7: with a great answer, but I think sometimes you get
Speaker 7: a Christmas sandwich on craft like craft service, and they
Speaker 7: make it it's like a like a chicken and cranberry
Speaker 7: sauce sandwich that I.
Speaker 6: Only have ever had a craft service.
Speaker 7: Trucks and candy and the crime of the pandemic for
Speaker 7: me anyway, the worst thing about the COVID pandemic. But
Speaker 7: the worst thing was honestly that you have to now
Speaker 7: when you get craft services, you can't like root around
Speaker 7: in this stuff and like yeah put like seven like
Speaker 7: sour Patch kids packets in your pocket without shame.
Speaker 6: Like now you have to just like ask the person
Speaker 6: for whatever you want.
Speaker 1: And I do know it really it really cuts down
Speaker 1: on binging really, like I'm always like I can't just
Speaker 1: take a bunch of rice Chrispy Trees. Now, I'm like
Speaker 1: one rice Chrispy Tree please, like a regular person.
Speaker 6: I'll take one and six for my ten for my fins.
Speaker 6: But it's a yeah, yeah, the candy. I read the
Speaker 6: candy all.
Speaker 2: Right, candy is perfect, not messy, gives you a little
Speaker 2: rus sandwich.
Speaker 1: Well, Thanksgiving sandwich. I always think of it too, like
Speaker 1: all the things from the little Holidays. She's Canada sandwich.
Speaker 1: Are you Canada?
Speaker 6: Right in Canada? And I bet that's what I mean.
Speaker 6: We do have Thanksgiving, but it's not as a you know, dominant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can't believe you. Listen, that's like.
Speaker 6: You kind of have a big pod. You got a
Speaker 6: bit You're like, you're not you're you're not a tiny
Speaker 6: deal here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm I'm just so so delighted to be
Speaker 2: here and I can't wait to watch I might maybe
Speaker 2: I'll start watching the OC because I want to.
Speaker 1: I have it on DVR, so if I come over
Speaker 1: on Friday, we'll watch Kathleen's episode.
Speaker 4: Only that's what.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we're gonna do. We're gonna get high on
Speaker 2: Friday's Friday.
Speaker 6: We're getting amazing, amazing.
Speaker 7: The one little tiny tidbit I'll leave you with too,
Speaker 7: with Organized Crime is that the most fun thing about
Speaker 7: it is that I had to google how to carry
Speaker 7: a motorcycle helmet because my character, we do not see
Speaker 7: a bike, but she carries a helmet wherever she goes.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, just a lot of polling people I know
Speaker 7: who I've ever seen anywhere near a motorcycle asking them
Speaker 7: like do.
Speaker 6: I hold it like a baby? Do I hold it
Speaker 6: in my one hand?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Do I hip it like under one arm?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: What is the answer? That's a great wow? What the
Speaker 4: internet say?
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, a different thing than the director at Tess Malone,
Speaker 7: who when I came in with what I had from
Speaker 7: you know, my research, which was one hand casual, like
Speaker 7: it's not even there.
Speaker 6: She was like, I ride a bike. I slipped my
Speaker 6: hand through the chin strap and let it dangle in
Speaker 6: the elbow and I did that. Wow, you know, we're
Speaker 6: going to see it, guys, We'll see if it works.
Speaker 6: Tune in tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Check our stories. We're gonna have a story up that's
Speaker 2: like this didn't track for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just kidding.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be amazing. Wow. She is fun. It was
Speaker 4: very fun. And I mean the fact that she's a
Speaker 4: listener made this even more sweet. I for a little
Speaker 4: please please, I turned red. So after we talked to her.
Speaker 2: Just a few days later, I did go to a
Speaker 2: bagel hang and I provided the bagels. I went to Bells,
Speaker 2: but it was a bagel hang at our friend Robbie's apartment,
Speaker 2: which is gorgeous and it overlooks the Fountain, the Echo Park,
Speaker 2: Fountain Lake, you know what I mean. It was just
Speaker 2: it was one of those days where I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm an adult. Look at all these spreads. There was
Speaker 2: caviare you know. I was like, look at this whitefish,
Speaker 2: little cut up berries. I mean, it was really like, I,
Speaker 2: you know, frecks. When she was at our New York show,
Speaker 2: kept I loved her outfit. She kept going, this is
Speaker 2: my final form. This is my final form.
Speaker 4: That's why.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt that the bagel hang like the
Speaker 2: sun was shining. The convo was nice, everyone looked cute,
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is final form. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is how I would like to be living for my future.
Speaker 2: But hopefully one day I can host and not live in.
Speaker 2: I don't know a pig sty.
Speaker 4: You will. It's not a pig sty. It's just small.
Speaker 2: I know it's a nightmare. I need to get out
Speaker 2: of here. I'm truly having existential nightmares. But I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna try to be patient. I'm gonna be patient.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'm happy to go apartment hunting with you.
Speaker 4: We can find you something else.
Speaker 2: Well, no, if i'm leaving, I'm out of here. I'm
Speaker 2: out of LA. So it's like I'm staying in this
Speaker 2: hell hole room or I'm out of here. You can
Speaker 2: empty my garage as I fucking leave. That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You can donate the art. Okay, now we should talk
Speaker 2: about this. Teachers, leave your kids alone. Pink Floyd was
Speaker 2: right this whole time. Leave them alone, Leave those kids
Speaker 2: alone alone. Yeah, I mean obviously. Like also, if you're
Speaker 2: a young girl, that's like, Ooh, this old man, I'm special.
Speaker 4: You're not special. He's a pervert.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's I mean, that's why I really don't
Speaker 1: like a lot of media that like glorifies like the
Speaker 1: sexy relationship between teachers and students or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: like that show a Teacher came out on Hulu, which
Speaker 1: a lot of people corrected me and said, actually that
Speaker 1: really shows both sides, like what it psychologically did to
Speaker 1: the boy.
Speaker 4: But blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think in the past media has really
Speaker 1: like sensationalized, like the hot for teacher thing and all that.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely fucked up. And you just this was
Speaker 1: a great episode in terms of just showing all of
Speaker 1: the various outcomes, like one girl can't be with anybody
Speaker 1: because she doesn't trust, but another girl is only with
Speaker 1: bad guys, and then you know, Evelyn's got her own
Speaker 1: shit going on. So it feels like it just shows
Speaker 1: you how many different like paths can lead out from
Speaker 1: like an abusive relationship.
Speaker 2: And we always talk about like we all judge the symptoms,
Speaker 2: but not what caused all these behaviors.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, why don't you have your life together?
Speaker 4: And it's like, I don't know, because my teacher rape me.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like we are so quick to judge people and
Speaker 2: their choices when they didn't really have much of a
Speaker 2: choice because they were surrounded by predators.
Speaker 4: Yeah uh.
Speaker 2: And if a teacher is just rubbing your shoulders, tell
Speaker 2: on that person, like you know, because a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff in the real life case and even we've
Speaker 2: talked about it before where it's like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 2: teacher was touchy, or that teacher had after school or
Speaker 2: that teacher did that, and it's like, you know, we're
Speaker 2: taught to be like, what, it's not that big of
Speaker 2: a deal should this person lose their job for a
Speaker 2: shoulder rub?
Speaker 4: And it's like that's where it starts. It's never just
Speaker 4: a shoulder rub, yeah, yeah, for sure, or like alert, yeah,
Speaker 4: you hear about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like we've heard about like predators in
Speaker 1: the comedy world forever, and it's like nobody really says
Speaker 1: anything until like, you know, something really bad happens or
Speaker 1: someone else or like an actual victim comes forward.
Speaker 4: Well, and then people are still making jokes.
Speaker 2: I mean we there's one comic everyone talks about out
Speaker 2: loud in person on social media and nobody cares. People
Speaker 2: make jokes about it, and it's like, yeah, he's truly
Speaker 2: an abuser from But the thing is comedians like will
Speaker 2: excuse full on Bill Cosby rapists, so like, of course
Speaker 2: they're gonna also excuse for people that are harassing the
Speaker 2: waitresses too, you know what I mean. It's like they
Speaker 2: don't care about the hardcore rape, how are they going
Speaker 2: to care about the touching rapes?
Speaker 4: Right right right? But I just there, God, I just
Speaker 4: hate so many people.
Speaker 2: But I said this saying this is the thing of
Speaker 2: like you don't know what people are going through in
Speaker 2: terms of like decisions. Someone reposted my rules Clark Jones
Speaker 2: did about Amy Sedaris. It's like from a magazine and
Speaker 2: it's all her little rules and they're really cute. But
Speaker 2: one of them is assume everyone is grieving, and I like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just never know what anybody is going through on a
Speaker 2: day to day. So true, not all of them are
Speaker 2: you know that wild, Some are, some are some are
Speaker 2: some are cute, like learn how to properly mail a box.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with Amy Sidaris. I'll send you this ones, Yes,
Speaker 4: send me.
Speaker 1: I had an article an interview with her posted up
Speaker 1: in my kitchen all the whole time I lived in
Speaker 1: New York because one of them was like they asked
Speaker 1: her a question like would you rather wear pantyhose all
Speaker 1: the time or constantly have the sound of flip flops
Speaker 1: following you?
Speaker 2: And I think she chose the flip flops. I am too,
Speaker 2: because that you could get used to. Yeah, just those
Speaker 2: are my flip flops that follow me. Well, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be in tights. I'm just thinking about summer
Speaker 2: in LA and I don't want it. I don't want
Speaker 2: it one bit. But somemer don't just order a martini,
Speaker 2: be specific faka jin straight rock, solim a twist.
Speaker 4: It's cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, also I like this find a new ice breaker
Speaker 2: and not everyone wants to answer what do you do
Speaker 2: or what are you working on? Assume maybe they don't
Speaker 2: do anything and aren't working And I like, well, we
Speaker 2: love to say, like, what are you watching on TV?
Speaker 6: Right now?
Speaker 1: Because we both love TV. We ask people a lot
Speaker 1: of TV questions. Are you are you into Bravo?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Are you a Bravo head? But when I see people
Speaker 4: we need them.
Speaker 2: There needs to be a word like Mariah Carey the Lambs,
Speaker 2: like who are the Bravo head?
Speaker 6: What is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: We need a fun little word. But sometimes I do
Speaker 4: tell people instead of like what do you do?
Speaker 2: I go what do you do for money? Because then
Speaker 2: it's more specific. Oh yeah, because even if you yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like to do yes. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: too inappropriate, but that's.
Speaker 1: Why when I lived in Italy, they were like Americans
Speaker 1: always ask people what do you do for work?
Speaker 4: No one ever asks that here, Like no, so what
Speaker 4: do they ask there?
Speaker 2: That's so because here that's what I found out in
Speaker 2: Finland like here in the States, like our value is
Speaker 2: our job, Like you are nothing outside of your job,
Speaker 2: and people decide how they're going to treat you depending
Speaker 2: on your job. Yeah, and so that's why maybe they
Speaker 2: don't ask unless capitalists driven nations, Yeah, what do people do?
Speaker 4: In Italy? What are you eating? What pasta shape did
Speaker 4: you eat?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, they're definitely like like where are you from? Oh,
Speaker 1: like places you've traveled? Like just different questions that are
Speaker 1: not like I remember being like what do you do?
Speaker 1: And they'd be like what do you mean?
Speaker 7: What do I do.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, for work, can they be like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a cop, but who cares? Like, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I had two friends that were cops there, but different
Speaker 1: kinds of cops. And I don't think their cops kill
Speaker 1: people there because they're very chill. My friend that was
Speaker 1: a cop took six weeks off of work because he
Speaker 1: had a fever quote unquote. But you know, it's a
Speaker 1: good time over there. No one's talking about work and
Speaker 1: no one's really doing any But I think also their
Speaker 1: economies in crisis.
Speaker 4: So who's to say. Let's get into what would Sister
Speaker 4: PEG do.
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we give you guys
Speaker 1: an article, a podcast, an organization to flesh out a
Speaker 1: little bit more of what we talked about on the
Speaker 1: episode today. And I wanted to point you guys to
Speaker 1: an article today at the Innocent Lives Foundation's website called
Speaker 1: sexual Misconduct in the Classroom Everything you need to know,
Speaker 1: And it's just a lot of information about the types
Speaker 1: of environments that create abuse in the classroom, how a
Speaker 1: predator operates, how to prevent abuse from happening in the future.
Speaker 1: So if you have, like you know, kids or you're
Speaker 1: young and you're you're still in a classroom, check it
Speaker 1: out and just like, have your ears perked up, f
Speaker 1: an eyes perked up for abusers because we literally when
Speaker 1: I was looking for what would Sister Peg do, I
Speaker 1: was like googling resources for this, and it was like
Speaker 1: just article after article of teachers getting busted having sex
Speaker 1: with students or raping students, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like it was horrible.
Speaker 1: So I was like, this is obviously an ongoing problem.
Speaker 1: So there are also resources for victims who have been
Speaker 1: abused by an educator. So if that's something that's touched
Speaker 1: your life, there's resources there for you, So go do
Speaker 1: www dot Innocentlivesfoundation dot org or the then link to
Speaker 1: the actual article is going to be in our show
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