WEBVTT - Contrapasso w/ Kathleen Munroe 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:27.120 These are our stories, Done done. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.680 Hello, Welcome to That's Mess Up and SVU podcast. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.120 I'm one of your hosts, Kara, and. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.040 I'm the other host, Lisa, and we talk SVU crimes. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.360 We have celeb guests and up top we chit chat 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:42.159 just a little bit. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:48.360 Catch up. What's up girl, what's been going on? Well? 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.640 I went to play kickball impromptu yesterday. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:52.040 Okay. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.160 I saw Caleb post something about that and I was like, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.200 Lisa was playing kickball, Like I don't talk to you 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.840 for two days, and there's so many developments I just cannot. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.680 I honestly, I had no shows last day, I had 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.240 no plans. I was truly losing it. And then we 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.640 I Julia called to me and she's like, what are 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.440 you doing? And I was like, I'm reading a book 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.920 outside at a bar and she's like, are you okay? 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.280 And I was like, this is worrisome, but this should 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:16.679 be worse. It's like really nice. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.320 No, It's just like an escape room vibe where It's like, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:21.520 what are you not doing? 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:21.959 All right? 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:22.399 Yeah? 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.800 It was also like a Kafka book, like it just 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.320 I read like four pages, not even I kept just 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.759 calling people, but. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.560 I ran into Will but I was like, what am 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:32.480 I going to do tonight? 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.880 And then I got the kickball text and I was like, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.440 I guess I gotta go play kickball? 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.520 So what was the kickball? What was the deal? Well? 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.640 I I want to give a shout out to all 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.440 the little kids I saw on their organized sports leagues. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:52.680 They're working so hard. This kid's soccer practice was so intense. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.000 They were there before we got there and there after 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.920 we left. Like these kids were doing like two three 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.720 hour practice running drill. Oh my god. What girls they 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.920 had like thigh bands on doing duck walks. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:06.000 Oh my god. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:12.080 These kids are ready for great adventures in their athleticism. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.839 It was a casual game, but I think we all 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.240 realized we're so out of shape. I mean, I'm sore 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.440 and my knee is bleeding. So that's wait, you did 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.919 you fall running for a base? What's the blood? That's 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.640 what I saw on Instagram with some blood. I tried 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.440 to get a ground ball, like I try, like I 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.040 was playing outfield shortstop vibes. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.240 I mean, there's wasn't that many of us. I really 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.680 love how hard you were hustling. Was hustle. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.799 I mean like I'm more of like the ball will 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.560 get to me when it gets to me kind of girl. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.560 But you know, I pitched for a while. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.280 I kept trying to find the position that would be 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.880 the least amount of work and none of it. After 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.600 I was bleeding, I was like, Okay, maybe I'll do 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.959 first base too much. Then I was like I just 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.840 kept moving and then I had to just pitch. Like 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.840 that was shock the chillist of the aggressive things. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.680 But you know, I kicked. It was fun. I do 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:06.440 love kickball. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:11.399 I used to play like fun side softball in Brooklyn 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.520 when I lived in New York and that was fun. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.640 And actually my team just announced they're having like a 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.680 reunion and I'm like, sorry, I live in LA now. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.720 But we played in McCarran Park and you could always hear, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.519 like you know how there's a public pool next to 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.280 Mccaeron Park. You could always hear everyone out of the water, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.080 and it was always because some kids shit in the water. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:27.919 Oh. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.640 For us in Skochey was safety break, safety break, with 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.639 the lifeguards please clear the pool, something about if you 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.119 were under the age of fifteen, you must exit the water. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.880 It was like adult swim every hour for fifteen minutes. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.240 I'm kind of ashamed. I can't remember all of it. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:44.640 It was so many years of my life. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.520 Yeah, we like were part of a public pool that 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.240 was down the street from us, and I hated adult swim. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:52.720 I was like, why did the adults just get to 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.120 take over the pool? 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.120 But now you get it, Now I get it. Just 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.200 go get it. Go to the snack bar and give 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.720 me three minutes of piece. Were you allowed? 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.400 I was not allowed to go to the snack bar. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.840 My dad also snuck us in. He would also make 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.000 me go before the pool opened. It was really. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.680 We were barely allowed snack bar stuff. Barely. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.919 Yeah, a true tree. Like these kids that have like 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.800 a tab at the snack bar. I'd be like, what 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.560 is that life? I mean, it sounds so luxurious. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.159 But so our friends are selling girls scout cookies with 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.520 their daughter, and I saw I played backgammon this week 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:29.960 with a lot of games. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.760 I guess I've been doing a lot of games. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.520 But there's a house tab of cookies because all the 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.400 boxes are in their garage, so we obviously got stoned 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.080 and then we were like, Okay, I guess we could 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.600 grab one box, but I guess he's been doing that 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.640 a lot. And the house tab I think is going 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.600 to be huge by the end of this Girl Scout. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.960 Yeah, I bought a few boxes from her. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.120 I know I want a delivery. They're like, do you 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:54.400 want to grab them now? I'm like, no, I want 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.520 a delivery from this child. I'm like, this is part 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.760 of the cuteness of it, all the willpower. I don't 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.880 know how they're gonna not take a box every day. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.159 I know I can barely keep them in my house, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:07.840 but they're They're so good. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:08.600 I love them. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.000 What's your number one? 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.320 My number one is Samoa's and Michael did not love those, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.799 so we did tagalogs tagalongs, which are my second favorite. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:17.560 So it's fine. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.960 I used to be like a straight up thin mint girl, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:22.839 but because you know, I can kill a sleeve in 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.400 like moments, but samoas are really for me. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.120 Samoas are the best, the thin mints. I love mint too. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:30.880 I'd rather have an Andy's mint. I'd rather have a 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.520 pepper York peppermint patty. I don't like the thin min 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.880 maybe crumpled on ice cream, like I guess people freeze it. 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.200 It's just like I doesn't do it for me. Yeah, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:42.640 it doesn't get it for me. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:43.200 Yeah. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.080 I don't get the people that are Like I asked 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.560 one person, who's gonna buy them some cookies? And they 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.400 want short breads only they only have the short bread. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:55.040 And it's like, are you eighty five the short bread? Exactly? 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:56.440 I don't even know if those are good. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.760 I do like a Lorna Dune shortbread, but I wouldn't 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.159 buy a I wouldn't buy like a box of them. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:04.760 No, But I used to love one. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.239 Pot belly is you know those flower cookies, the Lorna 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.800 Dune or whatever, the flower ones. They used to put 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.440 little ones on the straws of the milkshakes. Oh, I 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.840 don't think they do that anymore, because pot bellies used 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.320 to be cute. It was like big peanut butter and 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.080 jelly jars and ma like there used to be more 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.719 of an aesthetic. Now they've gone corporate. Now they're like 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.480 a huge brand. Well they were always huge. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.560 Well, I just I used to only go to one 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.920 in DC. And I remember like the sandwiches being like 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.520 amazing and like the aesthetic was different, and like now 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.240 they're in every city and it seems like they're letting it. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.000 You gotta cut corners because you gotta keep growing and 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.480 making money. When you're corporate, it's just not that cute. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.720 I don't know. I used to I like seeing big 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.680 jars of things. Maybe it's like the costco of it all. Yeah, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:51.280 I don't know. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.359 Oh, so, Liza, I wanted to tell you about this, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:53.760 so I was. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.359 You know, I'm listening to this new podcast about the 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.720 business and it's really helping me learn a lot, Like 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:03.960 I feel like it's like a trade podcast. And there's 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.760 this movie that you and I on our way home, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.960 I told you I watched this movie Till Leslie. That's 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.040 like a very small movie. It made like thirty thousand dollars. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.520 It's got this actress named Andrea Riseborough who's from the 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.560 UK but plays American in this movie and it is real. 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.680 Her performance is really excellent. And she was also in 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.480 an amazing Black Mirror. I don't know if you watched 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.720 all the Black Mirrors, but she's like in an amazing 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.160 Black Mirror and she. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.560 Is friends or her hut. Sorry. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.800 The director of the movie Michael Morris, Right, Casey, that's 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.000 the same you told me the other day. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.080 I think it's Michael Morris. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.520 He is married to Mary McCormick, who went to my 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.400 college and is best friends with like Chelsea Handler. She 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.400 was in Private Parts with Howard Stearns. She's just very connected. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.720 I honestly want to say she's been on an SVU, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.360 but maybe not. I'm thinking of Maria Bello. But Mary 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.280 McCormick is like very connected, and so they started like 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.600 a whisper campaign to get her a nomination for Best 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.240 Actress for the Oscars, and she got it. Like they 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.040 basically just went to all their friends, they had private screenings. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.960 She asked Howard to talk about it on Stern like 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.280 blah blah blah, and then they kind of circumvented like 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.720 the whole because like studios spend a ton of money 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.320 to get people nominations and they didn't have that, so 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.320 they kind of just did it themselves, which I thought 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.240 was really cool. But now it turns out it's like 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.600 a scandal and they may have violated rules. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:22.600 What are they havings? 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.880 There have to be rules because otherwise, like movie studios 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.600 would just pay people to go up to Academy members' 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.200 houses and like knock on their doors and be like, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.640 would you please vote for Julia Roberts, you know, like 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.920 they have to make rules so that people don't go 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.320 totally insane. So I don't know if, like I think 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.120 having private screenings and there's some parts of it that yeah. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.080 But that's bullshit because to me, it's like, if these 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:46.280 studios are spending millions to get someone nominated, that's within 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.520 the rules. But someone having like screening that's chill is 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:50.400 not in the rules. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:51.880 It's like, okay, shady. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.360 I think they're just pissed that they got got Like 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.760 I think they're pissed that somebody got a nomination in 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.520 on this tiny movie by just knowing people and being 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.440 like I think they're well liked in the business, and 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.040 they just went to their friends and they were like, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.480 this is a great performance, like go check it out, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.360 you know, and they did like yap facts with the 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:11.760 actors and whatever, Like what is. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.000 The Academy trying to say? 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.199 Because it should just be who has the best part, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.160 like who did great acting? And so by even having 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.600 issues with too Leslie, they're like kind of telling on 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.080 themselves a little bit, where it's like it doesn't matter 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.120 if it's a good performance or a small movie, like 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.360 unless you're spending millions, it's against It's just, yeah, I 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.400 miss being a kid and just loving the glamour and 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:34.840 the acting and the awards. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.319 And now before you realize that, it was like a 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:38.520 full marketing. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.079 It's a marketing machine, like the whole award ceremony. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.880 Yeah, but they were also saying something about how they 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.400 made They may have been bad mouthing other nominees or 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.080 potential nominees, but I don't know about any of that. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.320 I just think it's cool that such an underdog story. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:56.880 Yeah, but I didn't want to watch it. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.080 You watched it, you were like in to watch like 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:00.960 a single mother struggling. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.360 I just there was nothing else. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.040 There was nothing else really on, and I was like, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.800 I'll watch this, And I really did, Like it is 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.920 really sad and kind of depressing. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:11.040 Mark Marin is in it. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.400 He's pretty good in it, Like it's she just does 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.920 a great job. Like her performance like really brought me in, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.679 Like I really have been thinking about it a lot 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.600 the movie, but. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.480 I've been thinking a lot about Fleischmann is in trouble. 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.760 Oh yeah, I never watched her yet, I might try. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.120 It's good, I was, I kept asking. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.120 I only met one other person who saw it that 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.760 I could chat with them about. But it's really interesting 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.880 the way they did it and perspective, and I don't know, 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.559 I liked it, but there's something that hits very close 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.439 to home in one of the later episodes. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.200 So that's been on my mind. Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.800 Me and Jared started poker Face last night. The new 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:54.679 Natasha way. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.520 I don't know why I'm denying it. Is it awesome? 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.600 I mean, Jared and I just like love her. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.320 Jared, It's like I would watch her, like truly read 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.400 a like a takeout menu, like I just like she's 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.920 her up to her same tricks where she's like this, like, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.400 but it's cool. It's a cool character. It's a very 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:18.160 Natashaly owned character. And the first episode is awesome. So okay, okay, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.480 you know that I wanted it to be her as Colombo. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.160 I wanted it to be her every episode, like solving 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.160 new crimes or whatever. But I think it's more of 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.720 an arc, Like she solves a big one in the 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.120 first episode and then now she's like on the run, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.959 and I think that's like what the whole thing is 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.480 gonna be, is like her running, but maybe also but 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.800 I think on the run she picks up like other 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.400 life lives and like you know, people that come into 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.280 her orbit and stuff. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.480 But it's weird. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.720 I know, I watched three episodes of something yesterday and 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:52.240 I can't even remember. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.680 Well, you texted me about to watch What Happens Live? 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.600 Was it a Bravo related thing or no, Well. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.520 I'm definitely up to date on Brava and all the 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.480 watch what Happens. I Actually I'm glad you brought this 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.400 up because I don't know if I texted the I 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.439 think I texted the group. So there's more wrestlers, so 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.560 I guess Peacock's really getting into the wrestle game. So again, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.920 so there's these twins, the Bella Twins, Nicki and Bella, 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.520 and they had a show called Total Divas and one 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.840 day to John Cino, one's married to this other wrestler. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:26.280 But they're just like hot twin wrestlers that are incredible, and. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.680 They had babies like at the same time as each other. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.320 Like they did a big they did like a big 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.480 people spread where they were like both pregnant because they 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:34.760 like got pregnant at the same time. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.480 Like I don't know if it was on purpose, but 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:37.280 they kind of did. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.360 Yeah, I believe it. They're very close. They've had lots 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.200 of reality shows. I'm sure they'll have more. She's in 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.800 like she's promoting her wedding special right now. But it 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.320 was her and a Bravo person and then the other 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:57.240 twin was bartending, and they do not get along. 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:58.360 Like I don't know what. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.960 Happened in their relationship, but it was uncomfortable and at 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.520 one point the one that was sitting was just like, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.400 aren't you bartending, like to shut her up. They also 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.320 played a game where they would zoom in on specific 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.080 body parts and they would and she would have to 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.360 guess like which twins body it was, and in everything 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.680 she was like, well, yeah, that would never be me. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.679 Those fucking shoes are disgusting. Like they were. It was vicious. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.720 It was like cat it was like something is up 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.480 or that's their dynamic, I mean, their sisters. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.200 Maybe it was just a quick fight. I don't know, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.640 but it was yeah. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.400 Like one time, my friend, one time, my sister was 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.680 over at my place, and so was our friend Alison 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.199 and my sister and I went to the front door 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.960 and we were kind of having like not a real fight, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.840 but like a mini fight, and Alison was like kind 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.240 of fucked up and she was, what are you guys 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:49.800 doing over there? 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:50.440 Sister shit? 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.120 So like now, whenever like anything's going on with my sister, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.160 Allison's always like sister shit. Like we always say sister shit. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.360 And I feel like that's that's such a thing. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:00.000 Sister shit. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.920 It like it's really you and your sister seem like 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:03.640 you never fight. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.360 Okay, I know what I started. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.840 You're gonna be happy what I started watching Only Murders 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:09.360 in the Building. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.800 Yes, that's right. You texted me that you were. I 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.800 forgot you texted. What do you think? It's cute and fun. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.440 I'm loving it and it's like campy, but there is 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:20.800 a mystery, but I'm not scared. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.520 It's like cozy. I know, it's so weird. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.240 It's like you want to know the mystery and somebody 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.840 did lose their life, but it's like a cozy show. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.440 Like, well, he seems like a dick. Yeah. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.240 I watched the whole second season with COVID and was 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.600 like this is making me feel better. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.480 So yeah, yeah, they are such great actors, and both 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.640 the characters are so unlikable, like the Martin Shore and 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:44.680 Steve Martin. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.680 Well, how did it Martin Martin? That's wild? 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.440 But I do and I just wonder how Selena Gomez 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.400 got into it. I want to know how they sold it. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.280 I want to know everything about this project. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.360 My friend from the Page Program actually has been a 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.480 has directed a few episodes of it, so maybe I 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:00.640 can get some from her. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:01.160 Yeah. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.440 I'm just wondering, like, did someone write and be like 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.600 I need to get the star studded cast together first 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.880 to sell it, or did they cast it and they 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.760 just loved the show. I'm just like curious, Are we 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.880 now a show business pod? Now we're a showbiz pod? Okay, 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.320 we started, but really quickly. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.280 Before we start, I just want to remind everybody that 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.920 this coming next week, we are on the road a 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.160 little bit in the Pacific Northwest. We're going to be 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:33.000 in Vancouver at JFL on February twentieth, and we're going 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.240 to be at Healium Portland on February twenty first, and 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.280 then Tacoma Comedy Club in Tacoma, Washington on February twenty second, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.040 So go to that'smassed uplive dot com. Please come check 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.160 us out live. Our live shows are super fun. And 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.200 if you saw us in Seattle last time, or you 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.480 saw us in Portland last time, we were there like 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.680 almost a year ago. We it's all new shit, baby, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.200 it's all new episode and new stuff. So come on 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.960 out and see us. And I think let's get started. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.400 And I'm doing stand up in Seattle on the twenty third. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.240 Oh yes, and say come see us on the twenty second, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.080 and then go see Lisa on the twenty third. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:09.360 Oh. 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.880 And then one of the actresses in Only Murders is SVU. 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.360 That's I was just scrolling as you were from to 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.400 that Bad Blood. She like plays the bassoon player and 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.320 I was like, that's an SVU girl, small point. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:22.880 Sure. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:28.400 But the one who plays the bassoon player in Only Murders, Yeah, oh, 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:29.880 well that's a famous actress. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.000 That's Amy Ryan. Yeah, so she's in an SVU. Oh 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.040 I didn't know she was. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.680 Yeah, she's in the one where it's called Bad Blood 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.800 and it's like the brother there's brothers in a building, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.640 there's another building. There's brothers in a building. And she 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.960 plays the wife of like one of the bad brothers 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.440 who I think bullies the other brother or whatever. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.320 Oh she's amazing. I love her. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.600 She is married to like the showrunner from Broad City, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.160 so I worked with him once and was like, I 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:56.840 love your wife. 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:03.360 Oh wow. Yeah, anyway, that's fun. Maybe we'll get her. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.760 But we have an awesome guest today and a great episode, 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:14.520 so let's get going. All right, guys, we're getting into 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.640 Contrapasso season nineteen, episode three. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.880 This is from back in twenty seventeen. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:21.240 Guys. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.240 Okay, So we open on Finn and Caresi walking on 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.320 the street Carsi's regaling Finn with some old childhood stories 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.439 about shoplifting rollos, and holy shit, I do love rollos, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:32.719 and maybe I could fuck Carisi. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.200 Who knows they're too chewy. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.439 I don't want it. I'd rather have a carmelo. I 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.240 don't need a rollo. I mean, if it's in a dish, 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.159 I'll take it. But I've never bought a rollo in 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.000 my life. I love like a fresh roll Oh my god, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.199 I love them so much. Carmelo's too sloppy for me. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.720 The caramel's all over the place. Yeah, but that's It's 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.679 just like melts. It's just like a so good. But 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.160 you know, my name is Kara. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:55.800 When I was in college, I had a friend named 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.520 Derek Melo, and he would go, if we got married, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.920 you'd be Caramelo, which I do love. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:01.879 Anyway. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.320 Finn's like, I was all about the jujubes, and those 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.600 to me are nasty like Jujub's to me are like 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.160 chewing plastic like I there's I feel like I'm gonna 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.040 like rip my gums off when I'm eating those. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.760 So, you know, we all have different candy pres Fin 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.800 is old so to him it's like this at the movies. Yeah, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.879 it reminds me of Seinfeld. But is that juji fruits? 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.280 Is that a different thing? Okay, yeah, you know that 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:31.280 all went through my hat. I was gonna mention it's different. Yeah. Okay, 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:32.720 So now there and your. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.600 Favorite Seinfeld alsos junior mints. There's a big junior mins. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.399 I love a junior mint. I love a junior man. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:39.320 I love minty stuff. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.280 Okay, So Finn and Crise, you're walking into the Skyline 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.280 Hotel and Carisi ends a story with his mom busting him, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.800 making him confess to her and to God, but she 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.880 never told his old man, and Finn's like, my dad 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:51.240 scared the shit out of me, Like he would have 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:51.680 beat my ass. 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:52.800 That's why I stayed out of trouble. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.760 So I'm thinking maybe these two are like walking into 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.800 the hotel to like get a drink together, because they're 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.840 being so casual, and then they it's like ding and 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.200 they they get out of the elevator and there's a 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.760 uniform officer and it's like, oh no, they're fully responding 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.159 to a call and they've just been strolling in to 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.720 a crime scene talking about candy, which was really hilarious 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:14.800 to me. So the uniformed woman cop is like, uh, yeah, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:16.880 we got a call about people screaming in room two 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.840 forty and then when they got there, no one answered, 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.040 so security let them in and there's a bloody steak 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.040 knife in the sink and they're like, okay, why did 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.240 you call us? Like why is this SVU? And they're 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.919 like look inside the ice bucket and done done. It 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.240 is a pair of balls. 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.639 And Finn's reaction. Finn's reaction is great. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.640 He's like, oh, like and I really would have loved 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:37.960 to hear him say that's messed up here. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.320 But I mean, I don't have balls, and I would 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.200 still go, oh, like, yeah, I would not be happy 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:43.600 to see it. 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.360 Yeah, I mean I don't even like balls really that much, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.320 like on men, So I don't want to see them 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:49.280 separated from men. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:49.679 Uh. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.760 And they were on the bed apparently when they got there, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.480 but the officer, quick thinker put them on ice, so 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:56.119 that was smart. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.800 But they thought mess suggests, if you're like a ball person, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:00.200 I'm curious. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.080 I bet some people like love balls, yeah, and they 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:03.879 should message us. 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:05.880 Jessin Maye Palusa used to do a joke, my boyfriend 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.280 is the cutest balls. I want to turn them into 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.680 a pair of earrings or something like that, like she said. 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.520 I just remember that joke from her a long time ago. 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.960 Anyway, they somehow the uniform cops did not notice this, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.359 but eagle eye Finn and Caresy noticed that there is 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.000 a full trail of blood outside of the hotel room 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.760 that goes to the stairwell where they find a victim 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.800 passed out but still alive. Again, Finn and Caresy, what 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.280 kind of candy do you like the best? Did your 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:30.679 dad used to beat your ass? I mean, there's a 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.800 man dying in a stairwell. But anyway, it is the credits. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.520 So now the top of the act one, we're getting 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.760 the victim is named Jason Carr, and we've got that 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:43.000 beautiful doctor, doctor Darby Wilder, played by Evanna Copax right, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:44.840 And I believe I'm saying that name right. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:45.240 I hope I am. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.840 We've talked about her before, beautiful doc, and she's giving 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.240 them the rundown, and she's like, yes, Jason Carr, the 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.359 unfortunate recipient of an amateur gonadectomy. Which I just thought 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.400 that line was really funny. There's a couple funny lines 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:58.520 in this episode, I will say. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:20:59.560 And uh. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.600 She goes, once the spermatic cord is severed, the testicles 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.960 are just medical waste. And I love that, Like, once 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.480 you got your balls cut off, it's not like your dick. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:08.800 You can get your dick reattached. 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.280 I think once your sperm the testicles have left the building, 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:18.240 they're gone. So he'll be okay, she says, with plastic surgery, prosthetics, hormones. 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.600 But he had no defensive wounds and his top screen 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.080 showed drugs and a high blood alcohol level, so he 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.520 was quote unquote thoroughly zonked when he gave up the 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:26.320 family jewels. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:27.520 I like that as well. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.919 Benson gets a phone call and when she hangs up, 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.119 she's like, all right, I've been cleared of all of 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.800 my charges and the ACS investigation about Noah's bruises from 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:38.760 when this little shit tried to run into the street 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.720 and his mom saved his life and then she had 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.720 a full ACS report about it, which is so stressful 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.240 and so now and a part of the whole Benson 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.399 can't be happy crusade that goes on in the show. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.120 So now, Finn and Careesi are talking to the woman 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.040 who made the nine one one call at the hotel, 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.800 and she she's a realtor. She's like out placing a 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.000 sign and she's like, I was there visiting a friend. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.200 I heard a man and woman's screaming, and so after 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.719 I left the hotel, I called nine one one, And 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.880 Finn goes, why not knock on the door and see 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.040 if anyone needed help, Which I'm like, that's asking a 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.720 lot of a woman, considering how men kill women all 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.080 the time, Like, I don't think you need to like 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:13.719 go get involved in a domestic dispute. 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.800 Calling nine one one is enough. 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.639 I would say, unless you have backup or other friends 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:19.879 or a weapon or something like. 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:20.080 Oh. 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:24.440 They usually encourage like don't get involved in yeah, you know, 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:26.679 like get in there, bitch. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:27.479 Yeah. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.359 And it's a weird thing of Finn too, to be 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:30.840 like why do you go in there and help? Like 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.200 it's not like it was a person passed out on 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.640 the street who you can help. But anyway, Nora goes 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:37.800 it wasn't my business and I called nine one one, 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:38.399 so I thought. 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:38.920 She did her job. 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:40.840 So now Finn and Careesi are at the home of 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.639 Julie Wade and she says she booked a room at 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.639 this They don't really tell you why they're talking to 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:46.280 Julie Wade. 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:47.760 You do find out that it was her room. 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.200 Room two forty was her room, and so just I 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.280 it seems obvious, but they didn't connect it initially. So 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.800 Julie Wade, they're like you, She answers the door, and 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.359 they're like, HI, were the cops. You booked a room 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.040 at the Skylight with your visa And she's like, no, 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.000 I didn't. I was home with my boyfriend. And then 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.880 this boyfriend shows up and he's a true SVU cartoon 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.040 character as he comes out Yeah, an asshole, like the 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.560 typical abusive boyfriend that's. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:12.600 Like, Julie, where are you? 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.159 And then he comes out and sees two men at 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:15.879 the door and goes, who are these mopes? Like just 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.720 rude and like horrible, And then she he's like, make 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.240 me something to eat before I gotta go to work, 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.159 and it's like, Julie, you and danger girl get the 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:24.399 fuck out of there. And she looks in her wallet 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:26.560 and the card that they say she used to book 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.600 this hotel room is gone, and so she's like, oh damn, 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:34.040 I mustle left it at Costco. And they show her 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:35.760 the picture of the guy with the missing balls and 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.800 she does not recognize him. So as they're leaving, Finn's like, 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.760 this is sketchy, and he goes, my money's on Stanley 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:43.360 Kowalski in there, which I love. 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.760 A streetcar reference from Finn. That's very fun. 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.480 And he takes a picture of the motorcycle and the 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.399 car in the driveway and says, tu will run the 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.439 easy passes. So now Benson and Stable are talking to 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.880 the victim, Jason, who says, I ducked into the bar 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.800 to kill some time. There was a hottie there named Angela. 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.159 We started chatting it up, and then he says they 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.760 showed him a picture of Julie Wade and he was like, oh, 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.040 she's not even close. And it's like, okay, I don't know. 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.160 I felt like he was being rude like or something. 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.040 Felt like he was like, she's not as hot as 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.439 the woman I went upstairs with. But he said they 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.080 had some cocktails. She invited him upstairs. She made him 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:18.720 a drink from the mini bar, and then they started 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.520 quote unquote getting friendly, like handshakes, high fives, you get it. 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.159 This is the old Kim Rowlins Floutest Special, you know, 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.639 come up to the mini bar and get drugged. And 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:31.600 that's the last thing he remembers. He says he came 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:33.560 to he saw all the blood and then he starts 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.040 crying and he's like, I haven't even told my wife yet. 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.760 So it's like, okay, this man's also cheating. What's going 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.520 on at the precinct? 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:40.719 Right? 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.720 I like this factor and I think he's been in 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:43.919 a few other svus. 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.199 Oh yeah, he's so familiar. And I'm an asshole and 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:48.040 didn't look him up. 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.919 I think he's also been in like comedy stuff Like 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:55.320 I like him, Okay, I know where I know this guy. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:01.639 So he's in deep, he's ONP and Veep, he's in 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:02.159 the debate. 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.520 He's like one of the like the idiots. 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.240 He's one of the idiots running for running. Okay, yes, yes, 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.840 he is really funny. I meant to look him up. 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:17.560 What's his name, Paul Fitzgerald. But he has sixty four? 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.000 I mean he's working. And then his other svus are 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:26.159 tortured in season four and Criminal Hatred in season fourteen. 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:29.640 So you know an SVU stam. 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.919 Tortured is I remember which one that is? The foot 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.560 one right cutting off ladies feet. I think it's that one. 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:39.760 But he must just be like another, like a red herring, 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.560 because he's not like the bad guy, I don't think anyway. 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.639 So now we're at the precinct, Rollins is giving us 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:46.960 a lowdown on the victim. 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:48.800 His name's Jason Carr. He's forty six. 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:53.040 He's a copy editor for a trade magazine publisher. He's 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:55.320 married but has no kids, and he lives on Grand Street. 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.199 So they're talking it out and Benson brings up that 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.560 a castration is usually about revenge, that's like sexually motivated. 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.359 But he didn't know the perpetrators. So Finn is like, 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.920 could just be some psycho that hates men? And I'm like, yeah, 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.120 there are a lot of us out there. Uh, and 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.880 Rollin suggests just kidding. I love a lot of men, 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.320 but a lot of you are terrible. 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:14.200 Or Rollin suggests that. 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.800 Maybeah, men hate women, Like that is what's so funny 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.920 about that insult of like look at these man haters, 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.960 and it's like, you mean the opposite is society, Like 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.359 hate of women is so ingrained in our world that 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.840 we don't even talk about it. But it's like it 0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:32.920 bothers me so much when like, yeah, if you want 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.560 some like wife who just makes you sandwiches and can't 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:37.800 leave the house, guess. 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:42.720 What you hate women? You know what I mean? Like yeah, okay. 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.399 So Rowin's is like, oh, maybe it was the cutter 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.720 was doing someone else's business. It could be a jolted 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.240 lover of his spouse. Maybe it was Stanley Kowalski hiring 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.040 someone else to do it or whatever. And then Coreese 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.840 gets something on the security footage two minutes before the 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.240 nine to one to one call came through. Boom, there's 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.320 Julie Waye, the Costco credit card loser, not calling her 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.720 a loser, saying she lost her credit card walking around 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.440 the hotel and she's not in Yonkers with her jerk 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:09.240 ass boyfriend. 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.480 She's at this fucking hotel where she said she wasn't. 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.119 But my thing is like, what where do these girls 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.200 get off thinking they're going to trick everyone? 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:18.119 I talk about it later. 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.720 I no, later, I have like a rundown of all 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:27.720 their mistakes, and I'm like, girls like you just cannot there's. 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.679 Some trauma, but it's like, of course there's cameras. Of 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:31.840 course they know it's you in the room. Of course 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:35.000 there's an easy pass, like what are you guys doing? 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.760 But like where let's wear a baseball hat where they 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.359 can't really identify who it is, like who's who? 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:41.439 Like let's I don't know. 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.520 It's like very I mean, maybe we watched too much 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:45.040 as for you, but we're always telling people how they 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:49.240 could commit their crimes better. They bring Julie into the precinct, 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.400 confront her about the credit card, show her a pick 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.080 of herself on security and she's like, that isn't me. 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:55.600 And she's like, I mean it looks like me, but 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.320 it's not me. And it's like babe, here's your easy 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.399 Pass receipt. And I guess my dad's right, Like, if 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.199 you don't want the government following you, just don't use 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.520 easy Pass, or if you're gonna do a crime, just 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.159 pay cash at the toll or something. 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.320 I don't know. Easy Path. You can't really do that anymore. 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.080 You can't do it anymore. Then you got to stay 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.119 off the highways. But even then there's light cameras. 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.119 It's yeah, yeah, you take backstreets to a location, then 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.159 take an Uber, but you gotta use someone else's account 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.399 because or take a taxi where you pay cash. It 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.800 is really hard to not leave a digital trail these days, 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:24.400 I will. 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.600 Say, because even if I was thinking, you can call 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.880 a car service and pay cash, but like the phone 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:30.840 number is still there. 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:34.480 Like yeah, it's just very hard to escape, and pay 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.040 phones don't even exist anymore. 0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.840 I'm very munch right now, but it is hard to 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.840 escape the the eye of big brother. 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.280 Yes, yes, yes, as much as them. It's even that. 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:49.720 Idaho killer guy, like he turned off his phone or 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.120 whatever when he was doing those attack like murders, but 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.160 he had visited the house twelve times and then he 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.040 turned his phone on, right, after and it's like you think, 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.040 even when you think you're smart, it's like, did you 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.640 not listen to Cereal? Like cell phone tower pings were 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.480 like the whole case in Cereal? Yeah, okay, So she 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:12.080 denies knowing Jason, this woman Julie, and Cariese's like, okay, 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.320 so why was he in your hotel room? Then they 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.920 tell her that he was castrated, and she looks shocked 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:19.280 and she's like, if I'm not under arrest, i gotta go. 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.120 And Carisy makes a joke like, oh, you got to 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.080 go home for your boyfriend's four PM feeding and I 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.240 kind of like that. He's like, get out of their girl, 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.640 and he doesn't know. She goes he doesn't need to 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.760 know about this, and it's like yeah, because he probably 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.520 will hit you or something. He seems like a full abuser. 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.120 Finn and Benson are trying to figure shit out because 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:41.360 Jason says he doesn't know Julie, so what's the connect here. 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:43.520 The knights they found in the hotel room had the 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.760 name Cheyenne on it, which, of course Live knows immediately. 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.680 She's like a nightlife queen. She knows that that is 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.320 a steakhouse in Hell's kitchen that is a few blocks 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.200 away from the hotel and is probably where live one 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.800 on a bad date once or something, and Finn's like, 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.320 I'll go check it out. So they're talking to this host. 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.160 She's like, I'm not good with faces. I'm more of 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.520 a word person, and he's like, here's a word focus, 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:07.600 and I just think it's like, we're getting some old 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.200 school funny lines here this app oh oh, and I 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.840 noticed when I was noticing this episode had some good lines. 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.680 It was written by Richard Swern, who one of our 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:20.000 listeners named Randy came to our Boston show and told 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.160 us that she knows him, so maybe we'll get him 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.120 on the pod soon because he seems like a funny 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.760 writer and would be fun. So this hostess, his name 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:30.320 is Lilah, and Carisi starts laying it on. She's very beautiful, 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.280 and Carisy's like, Lila, are you on ig? And she's 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.040 like yes, and he's like Tinder and she's like, wouldn't 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.960 you like to know? And then he's like Facebook and 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.000 she's like duh, and it's like, I don't know, it's 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.120 twenty seventeen. I don't think anybody young and beautiful was 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:44.960 really on Facebook that much anymore. I mean, I'm still 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.600 on it for like mom groups, like I'm just not 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.720 on it like for social stuff that much. And he's 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:54.360 convincing her that's that she's already a pro and identifying 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.920 people because she's on social media, and it's like, okay, Carisy, 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:58.280 I don't know how you got through there. But his 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.640 flirting does make her fetus and she says, I've never 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.600 seen the guy before, but I'm pretty sure, Julie, she 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.960 points to Julie, I'm pretty sure she was here that night. 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.400 She had dinner with a regular named Evelyn Bundy. So 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.400 Evelyn is a regular at a steakhouse, and. 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:16.880 There were well, the millionaire matchmaker Patty Sanger says, if 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.160 you want to meet men, you go to the palms, 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.280 go to steakhouses. Yeah, you sit at the palms. Yeah, 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.520 maybe that's what Yanne's up. So, I mean, Evelyn, my 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:27.480 old boss, loved the poem. I was on the phone 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.440 with the palm multiple times a week. 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:30.160 Uh. 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.200 And she said there were three of them, and Nora 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.000 Galen is the one that picked up the check. 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:35.280 Uh. 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:36.960 Oh, that is the realtor girl who. 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.680 Called nine one one. So now something is up how 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.880 are these three ladies all connected. At the precinc we 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.680 do see Evelyn talking to Rollins, we don't really hear 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.600 what they're saying. And then Finn strolls in with Nora 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.840 and walks her by Evelyn and they like make on 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:51.960 eye contact but don't acknowledge. 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:52.400 Each other in any way. 0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.720 So they bring Nora into a room and they're like, 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.800 we need to verify what friend you were visiting at 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.880 the hotel, what their room number was, and she's like, 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.040 I don't really feel comfort giving out that information. And 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:05.080 they're like, okay, weirdo, where were you before the hotel? 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.440 And she's like, I was by myself. And it's like 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.080 they have credit card receipts, like do you not understand 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.360 about credit card receipts? Like are you going to argue 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:13.880 that you had a dinner by yourself for like two 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.880 hundred dollars at a steakhouse? I guess treat yourself. But 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:21.440 they know that you were with Julian Evelyn and she's like, oh, okay, yeah, Julie, 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:23.480 I remember her now. And then they're like what about Evelyn. 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.440 She's like Nope, don't know her. It's like give it 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.320 up and she's like, I just met her that night 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.840 and I know her as eve They were like, we 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:32.520 just walked you past her and you didn't recognize her. 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.120 She's like, you didn't say anything, and she was like, 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:35.400 oh no, I didn't even recognize her. 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:36.240 So it's all of this. 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.240 Honestly, people on the show usually give it up a 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.440 lot quicker, and these women are just like lies, lies, lies, 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.000 Like really I almost respect it, Like they're just keeping 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:46.520 digging and hoping that it will work. 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:48.840 And finally she. 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.560 Realizes the jig is up, and plus Careese tells her 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.120 to cut the crap, and she's like, I'm done talking. 0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.720 So now we cut to Evelyn who is talking to 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.160 Rollins and she says, I go to that bar a lot. 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.880 They got half pre cocktail hour, which I'm finding hard 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:03.760 to believe that a steakhouse has that great book of 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.600 a happy hour, because cocktails there are usually like eighteen dollars. 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.800 No, but maybe at the bar, like maybe at the 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.560 bar the cocktail tables they have their own little menu. 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.600 That's true. That's true. So anyway, Evelyn's in there trying 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.520 to catch a man. I don't get it, but she's there, 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.720 she says, and she's like, I had never met these 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.160 women before. I met them at the bar at a 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:25.040 bar uh, and then they were nice enough to take 0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.600 me to dinner and she's like, I don't remember. 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:29.760 They go what about Jason Carr? And she's like, I 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:30.520 meet a lot of men. 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.280 I don't think I know who that is, like blah 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.640 blah blah, but you can kind of tell she's stone Walling. 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.560 And she looks at his photo with the classic SVU 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.600 like I flicker where it's like you definitely know something, 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.400 but she goes, Nope, don't know him, you know, And 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.000 then she goes to take her anxiety medication, and Rollins 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.680 is like, pills booze, what's going on in your life 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.600 right now, Evelyn? And it's like she's on anti anxiety 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.280 medication and she was at a bar having a drink 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:52.680 with friends. 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.160 I don't really think that's like she's self. 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.480 Destructing, but you know, Rollins is looking for a way 0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.120 in and she Evelyn does not care to share with 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.200 Rollins what is going on. And Rollins is like, Okay, 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.600 well this guy got neutered right around the time that 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.719 you were enjoying a lovely meal with these two strange 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.120 women that you just met, so what's going on? And 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.719 then she lawyers up. So the women are clamming up 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:16.120 one by one. Back at the precinct, we've got Coreesy 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.160 at the corkboard breaking it all down. He's like Nora's 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:22.520 a realtor in Hastings. Julie keeps keeps house for some 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:25.200 bro and Yonkers, and Evelyn is a bartender in the city. 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.239 But then Benson notices that Evelyn's license says Katona, and 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:31.520 that means all three of these ladies have a tie 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:32.600 to Westchester County. 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.080 And I grew up right down the street from Westchester County. 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.040 My house is three houses away from the Westchester County border, 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:41.160 so I did grow up listening to an ad for 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.839 the Westchester County Fair, and this really reminded me of it. 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.600 It's like rides and attraction, non stop action at the 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:49.759 Westchester County Fair, and it was just really funny. They 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.839 tried to make it sound like it was in Alabama, 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.120 and it was in Westchester County, New York. 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:57.080 Is it the same kind of like county fair that 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.720 is stereotypical of like Iowa or the South? 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.080 Did you ever, No, I never went. I would have 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:04.719 loved to but I never got to go. But it 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:06.400 was on the radio all the time at the Westchester 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.360 County Fair, and I always wanted to go, And but 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:10.760 I don't know if it was like you know, weighing, 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:12.719 guessing a pig's weight and all the stuff that you 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.520 get at a regular county fair, or if it was 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:15.360 just like rides. 0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.000 Well, I just tried a. 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:21.680 Funny sketch, like a Westchester Fair is hysterical to me. Yeah, 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.839 like instead of buttercarving, I don't know what it is, 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:29.480 like hiding your mistress. Yeah, like Westchester's like where Scarsdale is, 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.840 it's like very I don't know, it's just it's the 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:33.840 It has some towns that are not as wealthy, some 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.239 towns that are very very wealthy, sometimes that are very Jewish. 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:39.319 It's just funny, yeah, for there to be a county fair. 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.200 So anyway, these women were all born in seventy nine 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.480 or seventy eight, So let's check the high school. Nora's 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:48.440 LinkedIn page lol says Packard Prep in Ryebrook, which I 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.920 know of Ryebrook as well. And Benson's like, is there 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.120 a yearbook online from ninety five? And I don't think 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.960 most yearbooks are online, but they immediately are like booby 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.520 boop and like pull up a yearbook. 0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:00.359 Maybe cops have access to some kind of yearbook day base. 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.799 I don't know about, but I've never been able to 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.000 find my own yearbook stuff online. And it turns out 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.960 done done. All three of these girls went to the 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.680 same school. Julie was a junior and the other two 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.280 were sophomores. And twist, they were all in the Updike 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:19.240 Literary Club and look who was their advisor but bumb 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:23.279 bomb Jason Carr. So now there's the connect. All three 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.520 of these women were in a club. 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:29.120 Now, if this wasn't RSVU detectives, do you think they 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.200 would have gotten caught? Do you think someone would have 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.200 done the yearbook and tried to connect them and find 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:38.000 Jason Carr? Yes, because it's like a dude's dick. 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:39.040 Actually getting cut off. 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:42.439 Like do you think just regular cops would be able 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.640 to do this or to It depends? Like I do 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:47.920 think that in some cases, like when the cops are 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.080 trying to find like a shooter that's on the loose, 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.920 or find like someone like the Boston bomber, I think 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:55.719 they pull out all the fucking stops and they are 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:57.920 very good at finding footage and doing all this shit, 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.920 but like a guys being castrated, I don't know if 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:03.279 they put all this effort in. 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.479 I don't know. That's a great question. What do you think. 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:11.040 I think yes, just because it's the balls. I didn't 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.040 when I first asked it. When I first asked it, 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.319 it was a leading question where I was like, of 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.000 course they wouldn't. But then I was like, I think 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.880 they might have empathy for this guy missing his balls, 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.040 and maybe like but then I think about like the 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:27.000 West the Boogeyman crime we covered and how the woman 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.000 was like I think it's a ninety four Mercury and 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.000 it was actually a ninety five Mercury and they just 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.560 didn't open the scope research and more women went missing. 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.680 So to me, I just can't imagine them like finding 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:41.440 a yearbook and connecting club sponsors, but so quickly. 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.640 I mean it's obviously television, but all of this has 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.360 done so fast. All the yearbooks are online everybody, like 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.720 the club photos are online. Like you might be able 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.440 to find what high school I went to and what 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.280 year I graduated randomly and some kind of weird database, 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.520 but there's not gonna be a club of me writing 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.080 for the school newspaper. I don't think that picture's up online, 0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:00.919 but I will put it on the Instagram if people 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.360 are interested anyway. 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.839 So now at the top of. 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.520 Act two, we're at Carr's house and they're showing him 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.520 the yearbook and he's like, oh my god, I taught 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:11.640 there twenty years ago. I don't really remember anything or 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.160 any of the people or the students, and Rollins throws 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:15.440 down pictures of the three women. 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.080 And this is when we see. 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.160 Carr's very young wife is there, like she looks much 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.160 younger than him, and Jason is denying that she. 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.400 Looks of like a different time, like she looks like 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:28.520 little women time. 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.080 She has very porcelain skin. 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.440 Oh she's very little princess, very dark like snow white 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:40.120 vibes like very olden day kept princess. I feel she actually, yeah, 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:46.399 her skin was quite alabaster. And so he's like, oh, 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.879 these women had nothing to do with it, and he's 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.239 he's obviously stonewalling. He's like, I just want to move 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.279 this all behind me and move on and put it 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:53.680 all behind me. It was bad enough I had to 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:55.920 confess to cheating on my wife, but you know, in 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:58.319 the last twenty four hours she's completely processed it and 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.719 forgiven me completely right, honey, And she's like totally, Like 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.799 it's so funny. And then he asks the cops to leave, 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.680 and as they're leaving, Rollins goes his child bride knows 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.120 he's something and it was really making me laugh. 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:15.560 And in Benson's office, child Bride is a funny ur. 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.239 It doesn't mean anything funny and it's very serious, but 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:20.720 saying child Bride is funny. 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.239 In Benson's office, she's there with Barbara selling him on 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.920 the case, and he's like, I cannot prosecute the assault 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.680 unless the victim makes an ID and then Cariese goes, 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.640 why don't we charge all three with obstruction for obfuscating 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:37.240 our investigation? And Barbara looks at Carisi and goes, obfuscate yummy, 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.120 And I'm like, do you want to fuck Kriese? Like 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:42.040 I get it's so funny to me when everybody's like 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.160 Barbara and live and I'm like, I don't get a 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:45.480 full gay vibe from Barbara. 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.960 I get a very bisexual vibe from Barba. 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.399 Like I feel like Barbara wants to fuck everybody like 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:52.680 and so I just was like, oh, I don't think 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.040 I've ever noticed that he truly looks like he's flirting 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.480 with Caresi in this scene, like turned on by his 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:03.160 vocab choice. So anyway, Benson's like, yeah, the obstruction charge 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.280 could be the leverage we need to get these ladies 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.400 to talk. And Barba's like, yeah, you could do it, 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.320 but get car on board or this train is going nowhere. 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.200 And I don't know if that's upon about cars and trains, 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.799 but I like it. And then Benson says, get their 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.360 asses for obstruction and put them in the same holding cell. 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.359 Everyone leaves the office to go do their. 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:23.000 Business, and then in walks hot Hottie Trevor Langan mister 0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:26.839 Marishka Hargate aka the Personal Laundry spokesman, and he's there 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:28.440 to do a scene with his fucking wife and I 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:30.720 love it, and he's like, you don't return my calls, 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.040 and he's got some bad news. When he helped Olivia 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.000 do the adoption, he was under the impression that Ellie 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:40.520 Porter's parents were both dead, which is what Ellie told Live, 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.440 but she lied and done done. Ellie's mother, Sheila Porter, 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.239 is still alive, and Sheila has filed a petition to 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.319 vacate the adoption. And I'm sure there's lawyers who listen 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.560 to this who would know more about this than I do. 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.080 But like I'm a as a costa worker, as I've 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.640 told you guys before that I am it is my 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.960 job to try to locate family members of the case 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.319 i've worked with, because the foster system is designed that, 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.719 like kids can go to a family member, so like 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.880 almost any distant family member over a stranger. Like if 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.560 there's any family member in their life, a cousin they've 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.960 never met, who lives ten states away, if they're willing 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.440 to take the kid, that's who they go to. Pretty 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.040 much in my experience, if their houses, if their house 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.239 is deemed like safe and all of the protections have 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:26.080 been put in place, and so I find it extremely 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.480 hard to believe that they would not have found Sheila 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.320 in the routine records check when working on his adoption. 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.000 Like I'm like, it's either TV magic or it's a 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.279 major fuck up. From Trevor Langen and he's like, there's 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:38.680 so many porters in New York State, but it's like 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.359 you can track down who people are related to via 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:43.480 their Social Security numbers. It's not like you're just going 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.719 to start calling every porter in the phone book and 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:48.359 being like, is your daughter Ellie? Like you can tell 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.319 if she has parents that are deceased or alive. There 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.560 are public records. So it's kind of mad at him. 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.600 I have a huge fuck up, Like it is like 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.759 I almost don't believe it because I think that they're 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:02.000 obviously shoehorning it into they could have a cool storyline 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.440 with a cool actress who's going to play Sheila. But 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.680 I just feel like, if you're a lawyer, please write 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:09.160 in and tell me if I'm right here, because I 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.279 feel like this is such a massive fuck up that 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.520 like almost wouldn't would be unable to happen. You would 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.760 have to run social Security numbers and check for other relatives. Anyway, 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.759 Benson is obviously furious, and she's like, if I lose 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.040 Noah after everything I've been through, And he goes, there's 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:27.520 no legal basis to vacate the adoption, and it's like, yes, 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.279 there is. Did you watch the episode Stolen, a boy 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:32.799 who had been adopted for twelve years was returned to 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.600 his biological dad, who he didn't even know because biological 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.440 relatives take precedence. 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.240 There's absolutely grounds to vacate this adoption. 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.760 I don't know why he's like lying to Olivia, but again, lawyers, 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.480 please write me. And he's so he's trying to convince 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:49.239 her that everything's going to be okay, and she's like, 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:50.799 get the fuck out of here. And I mean, I 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.360 get it because I think maybe she knows he's bullshitting 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.400 or whatever. But now we see all three members of 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.799 the Castration Club are in a holding cell and they 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:00.480 are bickering, and it's like. 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:07.239 That's march Castration Club. That is actual merch. You don't 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:08.400 love Castration Club. 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.080 Oh, Like, we're gonna go around cut off, cut off 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:11.720 guys balls. 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:13.000 I mean, I hope people wear that. 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.560 Yeah, let us know if you'd wear that. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:17.800 Yeah. 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.680 Like, these girls are just in there being like I 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.000 told you we weren't going to get away with it. 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.360 I mean they're literally being so loud they're not even whispering, 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:25.319 And I'm like, these bitches never stood a chance. Like, 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.880 don't book a hotel with a credit card, pay cash, 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.680 don't leave the weapon behind. Call nine one one from 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.839 like a payphone or the lobby phone where they can't 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.279 reach you. It's like there's so many mistakes that these 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.840 women made. But I think you find out kind of 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:39.680 why later. They made out they didn't do all this 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.040 pre planning because I think that they didn't really know 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:45.040 what was going to be happening. So they're being very loud. 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:46.840 They're like, tell them the truth and they'll go easier 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:48.680 on them. And then they're like, CARIESI, we want to 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.880 talk to you. They're like, we don't want lawyers anymore. 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.080 We want to tell the truth, and so boom, that's 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.440 the end of Act two. Top of AC three, Evelyn 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.520 is spilling her guts. She's talking about being a sophomore 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.960 at Packers. She transferred there from public school. She had 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.120 no friends, and mister Carr's poetry class was like her 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.719 only saving grace. He listened to her, he gave her 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.640 compliments about how smart she was. Cut to Nora saying 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.840 the same shit, he wrote notes on my paper about 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.600 how I was smart. Julie, we're doing like a little 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.239 bit of a bop around the world with all these 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.319 different girls. Julie's like, he made me a mixtape of 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.000 grunge music because he knew I loved Nirvana. I mean, 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.799 that's some fucking grooming shit, you're twenty six four years old, 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.040 twenty six years old making a mixtape for a teen, like, 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.840 that's crazy. And they all felt very special about getting 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:38.279 mister Carr's extra attention. And Evelyn describes how he gave 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.640 her this big conk shell and he said it was 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.120 a metaphor for me, a treasure washed up by the 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:47.240 waves playing on the outside and inside shiny and smooth 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.359 with pink and orange swirls, and it's like ugh. And 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.520 she was sixteen at the time, and Nora said, the 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.440 first time and then they're gone, Nora, and Nora's like, 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.279 the first time we ever had sex. He brought me 0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.960 to his apartment to watch a film and then with Evelyn, 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:01.760 and he brought her out to his car to smoke weed. 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.160 And then Julie tells her story and she's like, well, 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:05.840 when I showed up to the place we were supposed 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.040 to meet, he didn't show up. So she just like 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.520 the two girls got fully assaulted and then the other 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.440 girls like I got ghosted, and but it equally it 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.720 equally not, I don't know about equally, but it fucked 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.239 her up anyway. She felt very worthless that this man 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.120 who had given her all this attention, and like love 0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:24.720 has was now just ditching her. So that's she started 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:27.920 to self harm. And so at the twentieth reunion they 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.080 realized what was up. They all kind of shared a look. 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.880 They started sharing how this teacher fucked them all up emotionally. 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:36.600 Like Julie has self harm, Nora has major trust issues 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.520 that have led her to be alone in Evelyn's like me, 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:40.680 I mean, I mean, she doesn't even get into it. 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.040 I guess she's just like I'm a mess. 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.400 As Roland said, I take you anti anxiety medication and 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:45.680 I enjoy a couple of cocktails. 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.839 Well not only that, she had, you know, some tattoos. 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.200 Yeah, she had. You know, she was a little goths. 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:54.560 She was a paramour punk girl. You know, so we 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:56.319 could tell she's dark sided. 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.719 Yes, a little bit edgy and like you could tell 0:45:58.760 --> 0:45:59.960 some maybe yeah, darkseye. 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:00.799 I love that. 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.840 I cannot hear it without but I see her thinking 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:04.960 about your husband. 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.279 Without hear them. You're dark sided, like I love it 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:07.680 so much. 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.440 Oh, I only know it because of Jared wanting a 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.960 dark sided kid. Oh yeah, but you know what it's from? 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.120 Dark sided? Well you said, Now I know it's trading spouses. 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.480 But I didn't realize that. Yes, okay, I didn't realize 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:21.080 we talked about this before. You know, I can't keep 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:22.239 track of what we talk about it. 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.160 Well now because you just mentioned it. 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:29.040 But I could see her like bartending in so many 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.200 bars I went to in Chicago and probably any arc 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:33.960 like she also looks like someone that would be a 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:35.640 Jumbo's clown room, you know what I mean? 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:39.400 Yeah, she And also it's like not to not to 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.040 judge what anybody does, but this is like a woman 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.320 in her forty or I mean in her late thirties 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:48.280 who's bartending, but was like a very gifted student and poet, 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:51.160 and like, you know, it feels like maybe she's got 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.879 some arrested development from what happened. Like you know, I'm 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.000 not saying that bartenders are not smart people, but I 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.600 think that it's implying like she you know, she didn't 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:01.440 go on to like write or like do things with 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.200 her passions unless she's passionate about bartending. 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.600 What do I fucking know? Anyway, they they all. 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.399 Thought that if they could confront mister Carr, they could 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.480 get some closure. So Julie reached out to him, and 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.520 he agreed to meet her at the hotel bar, and 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.600 Evelyn is telling all of this and then she kind 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.120 of stops and she's like to Cariese, she's like, you're 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.480 not going to understand this because you're a man, and 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:25.040 Cariese's like, look, that guy was a predator who belongs 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.560 in prison, and she's like, still not buying it. But 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.120 then Carise reveals he has a niece. There's a female 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.759 person in his life who magically turned him good. So 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.920 but he's like, he's like, if I had a knee, 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:38.799 if someone did something like this to my niece, I'd 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:40.960 fuck that guy up. So I understand where you're coming from. 0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:42.719 He's like trying to get on her side and like 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.960 make her feel trust with him. So now Evelyn does 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.480 feel safe and continues talking to him and says they 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:51.120 asked Carr if he remembers what he did to them, 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.520 and he acted like he could barely recall it, and 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:55.239 that he was a great teacher and taught them to 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:57.760 love the arts, and also that they were teen sluts 0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:01.200 and they seduced him, so he blamed for their experience. 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:03.799 And then Evelyn totally lost it and was like, I 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.399 wanted to damage him the way he damaged me. So 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:09.040 she spiked his drink with the pills, and once she 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.040 was passed out, she got the knife that she stole 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.680 from the restaurant. And it's like, uh, oh, bitch, that's premeditation. 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.279 And she said she told Julie and Nora to leave. 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.799 So that does a little bit explain why they made 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.319 so many mistakes because they weren't planning this out to 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:25.239 be a physical attack all of them. 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:28.920 Like yeah, and it was spur of the moment, but. 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:30.880 If I think I thought, if they were all planning 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:35.520 to confront and maybe physically hurt him, they needed to 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:36.799 do a little bit more cover up. But I think 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:38.319 instead they were just like, let's make up a bunch 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:39.759 of half baked lies and see if we can get 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.640 out of this. So she tells Julie and Nora to leave, 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.440 and then she explains the name of the episode to Coesi. 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.520 She's like, do you know the term contrapasso. It's from 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.759 Dante's Inferno, which I don't want to brag, but I've 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.120 actually read, and it means to suffer the opposite, like 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:55.840 an Italian contra means against, So I think it's like 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.360 what it means is basically the punishment in Hell is 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:00.799 the opposite of the crime, or it's a mirror of 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:04.040 the crime, Like if you're a rapist, you lose your balls. 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.160 So him sexually abusing these women's, yeah, it means that 0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:07.959 he had to get his balls. 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:09.000 Dante's as. 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.880 Dante's Inferno, Well, Dante The Divine Comedy is in three parts. 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:16.840 It's Inferno, Purgatory, and. 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.239 Heaven, I think, or it's called that because it it's 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:27.120 Inferno purgatorio, and then yeah, I think it's Heaven. And 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.239 it's a guy going on a journey through all the 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:38.120 layers of hell, and it's wild. Inferno's the best one. Paradizo, Paradise, Heaven. Yes, 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:41.360 I should have known that. I read it twenty years ago, 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.120 but I took a class on Dante and it's actually 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.520 super superfascinating. It's like really really filled with like a 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:51.239 lot of symbolism and like cool metaphors and like it's 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.000 fun to read and like fun to kind of like 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:53.600 talk about. 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:54.640 But it's wild. 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.160 Like you see people that are just like in Hell, 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.680 they have to be like face down on the ground 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:02.440 with like fire going into them. 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:06.759 Like the shit that's Inferno is wild. But you kind 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.480 of have to read You can't read it like on 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:10.120 your own. I felt like I had to read it 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.399 in a class with like a teacher, a professor kind 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.719 of like guiding me because it's not like and then 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.360 we went to this neighborhood Like it's a very like 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:22.160 sort of more abstract story about like moving through these 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:24.480 different levels of hell and then you go to O 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:28.080 progatory and then paradise and what's happening. 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.920 So I don't know if I explained it very well 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:32.440 to Lisa, but. 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:36.120 About that and then, uh, I hope it's as fun 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:37.000 as Hades Town. 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.040 Well, she has a fun line at the end. 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:42.600 She was like, well, so I'd like to thank you 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:44.560 mister Carr for always encouraging me to. 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:45.400 Read the classics. 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.160 And I love that, like he taught her this literature 0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.120 and then she fucking used it to cut his balls off. 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:53.279 So a smart woman Benson arrives at work and the 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.560 whole squad is immediately on her ass, like they like 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:57.880 descend on her the minute she walks in, and the 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:00.040 they're like, the other two women didn't know about the 0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:01.879 so we got to let them go because that gets 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.839 rid of these obstruction charge but Evelyn confessed, so let's 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:08.000 get her assault one. And then Cariese is like, well, 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:09.840 you know, if it wasn't for the statute of limitations, 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:13.359 we'd be charging Car with these with these crimes, and 0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:15.120 liv Is like, you're right. Why don't you get her 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:16.640 down here with her lawyer and we'll see if we 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:20.520 can get a pleado going. So in the meeting, her 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.239 lawyer says, Evelyn has some more tea to spell, but 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:24.920 you have to promise not to use it in court, 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:26.960 and Live says, all right, I have to run it 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.560 by the DA. But let's get talking, and she knows. 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.320 Evelyn knows she did a bad thing, but it freaked 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:34.440 her out to see him again. She was drunk and 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:37.239 she just snapped when he blamed them for what he did. 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.600 And then Lives like, okay, girl, but like there's a 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.319 statute of limitations, like we can't charge him, and you 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:44.720 brought a knife, and she's like, I brought the knife 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:48.160 for protection from Car. He can get violent, and then 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.200 She's like say more, and Evelyn's like, the last time 0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:53.480 I went to go see him was at his apartment. 0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:55.400 I went to break it off with him because I 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.920 heard he was seeing a different teen, and he got angry. 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.240 He took a cork screw held it to her face 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.560 and then he held her down and he sexually assaulted her. 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:07.160 And Live knocks on the glass and like knocks on 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:08.840 it and goes you see in this or no, she 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:12.719 goes you on this and uh, behind there, it's like 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:17.239 Careesi and Barba and Finn. I think I think Barba's there, 0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.719 but they really rarely break that third. 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:22.240 Walk, Like I like the knocking on the window, Yeah, comunity. 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:25.160 She doesn't usually like knock to be like someone's watching, 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.759 Like she's normally like I'll be right back. And so 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.360 basically what this means is because he used force with 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.400 a deadly weapon that knocks it up to rape one 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:36.440 and there's no statute limitations for that. 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.160 So Rollins is. 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.120 Like she could have just come up with this, like 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:45.160 she might have just Barba's not there. Actually it's just 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:49.400 Rowlin's and Finn and Creasy and Ron. Yeah, Rollin's is like, 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:53.040 I don't really believe victims, So like she could have 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.360 just come up with this, and it's like I guess, 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:57.680 but I don't think her lawyer would have like made 0:52:57.680 --> 0:52:59.520 her perjure herself and I don't think she has such 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.680 a knowledge of the law that she knows what rape. 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.120 One has a statute and the other one doesn't. And 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:07.319 Finn and CARESI like no hesitation or like we believe her. 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:10.400 It's like take a note, rollins. And so they go 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.680 and they arrest Car at his apartment and his wife 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:16.080 is like, what are you doing? So now in the 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:19.360 fourth act, Benson is walking into her office where Car's 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.560 baby bride is waiting for her, and she's like, how 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:22.120 can you do this? 0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.719 Et cetera, et cetera. And Benson's like, how did you 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:26.200 two meet? 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.600 And he's like, you think because he's older than me, 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:30.440 he has some kind of fetish for young girls. And 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:34.000 it's like most men do, and you are twenty five 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.239 years old. Like she's like, we met four years ago 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.839 when I had a summer internship for college. So worse 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:43.120 at the oldest, she's twenty six. At the youngest, she's 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.560 twenty like three or something if she had the internship 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:46.319 for freshman year. 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:48.399 And it seems like a lot of the child rides. 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.759 It's like, well, I'm an exception. We really have this 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.080 like connection and maybe you are connected like age gap love. 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:57.160 I guess happens, but it's not as unique as these 0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:58.239 right people. 0:53:58.000 --> 0:53:59.160 Want to make it seem. 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.040 Yeah, and he does marry her, but he's also still 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.200 cheating on her, so it's like you could feel better, 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:05.799 like different, like, oh, he put a ring on it 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:07.719 for me, but he's also cheating on you. 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:09.359 So live. 0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:13.160 She's twenty five now and she's like, we're never going 0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:15.279 to have a family and lives like, well, here's a 0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.840 photo of my adopted son, Noah, like he makes everything 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.200 worth it. And she's like, she says, the most wild 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:22.600 thing she goes an adopted kid would just be a 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.440 reminder of the night he stopped being a man. And 0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.000 it's like the balls really make the man. I guess 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.360 I just never thought of that, Like Steve lost a 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:33.720 ball and sex and the city, you can still have sex, 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.160 Like I don't know, it's weird thing to say. 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:37.719 But she's also a baby, so. 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:41.760 No, I think if both balls are gone, you're done. 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:44.960 I don't think you can get hard. That's what castrating is. Oh, 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:47.239 and that's why he has the prosthetic. Yeah, Like I 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.920 don't know, the from Game of Thrones, like the monks 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:52.480 or whatever, I don't know, like they cut the Eunuchs. 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.160 Yeah, Unich, But the Eunuchs I think have their dicks 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:58.279 cut off. Oh, I think Unix have no dicks. 0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:03.040 But I feel like cas maybe castration's just sperm. Yeah, 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:06.640 I'm googling you, Nick. I feel like he's doing it. 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:07.560 Okay. 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.760 Oh no, it's a man who's been castrated. Yeah, okay, 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:13.520 so I'm wrong. I always thought that they had their 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:15.640 dicks cut off. You can't just cut off a dick 0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:19.000 because then you can't even pee. Well, you just have 0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:20.759 a big hole. You can't cut off a dick. 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:26.000 Bomba will live. Okay, I'm so sorry. I'm an idiot. 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.239 It's just being castrated's just cutting off your ball so 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:31.000 that you can't have sex. I'm sorry he can't have sex. 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:32.680 I don't know. 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.640 I just feel like it's like, mean, he'll still get 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:36.640 a prosthetic, you can still fuck. Like it's weird to 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:38.160 be like he's not a man anymore because he got 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.640 his balls cut off, Like you're a dog. 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:43.960 You gotta be a little more empathetic. 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.239 He lost his balls mere days ago, you know what 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:48.839 I mean, Like they could maybe with time he can 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.320 figure out he's not even Steve had some existential issues 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:54.440 about his manhood even with one ball. That's why she 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.600 fucks him. It was okay, it was a mercy fuck, 0:55:57.640 --> 0:55:59.279 as Samantha Jones calls it. 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.839 Yes, you are correct, Okay, fine, I take it back. 0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:06.000 He's stopped. But it is also wild to say that an. 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.600 Adopted child would remind you of the night your husband 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:09.480 got his balls cut off. 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:12.000 Yeah, she's twenty five, she's an idiot. 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:13.920 I think I told you. 0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:16.600 There's a comedian and he was on stage bitching about 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:18.440 his wife. If I said this on the podcast, cut 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:20.759 it out whatever, or get used to it. 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:21.640 We repeat things. 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.560 So this comic was doing jokes about his wife and 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:28.360 the guy next to me goes, his wife seems toxic, 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.160 and I go, she's twenty five and this man is 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:32.360 deep in his forties. 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:33.480 Oh god. 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:35.719 The guy next to me started laughing and goes, that 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:39.200 explains so much. And I go, yeah, up top of 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.560 his jokes, he should say I date it, I'm married 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:42.560 to a child bribe. 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:44.000 Yeah, that's why she. 0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:47.320 Acts like a fucking lunatic because her brain's not fully developed, 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:49.799 do you know what I mean? But he's up there 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:53.000 telling jokes like my crazy wife, and it's like she's 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.040 over twenty years younger than you, Like, yeah, you learn 0:56:56.160 --> 0:57:00.319 lessons in time, So of course she has these beliefs, you. 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:02.120 Know, I mean yes, Okay. 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:07.719 So in court, Evelyn is on the stand telling her 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:11.080 story and she's describing in detail the night that car 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:13.480 attacked her to Barbara on the stand and she's like 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:15.840 saying that he said, you can't break up with me, 0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:19.320 only I can break up with you. And then Barbara 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:23.640 sits down and it's Carr's lawyer's turn, and this actress 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:28.800 is Annabeth Gish, who is a childhood favorite of mine. 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:31.640 Are you familiar with Annabeth Gish, the woman that's playing 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:33.400 the lawyer of Jason Carr. 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:37.280 No, so she is from the movie Shag. She's from 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:38.960 the movie Mystic Pizza. 0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:41.160 Like she is just a really big part of like 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:44.240 movies I watched in my childhood, Like you would love Shag. 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.160 It's like about a bunch of girls that like tell 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:48.280 their parents they're going to Fort Sumter, but instead they 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:50.400 go to like Hilton Head, and they go to one 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.560 of their vacation houses and they just have fucking parties 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:55.240 and they hook up with guys and they enter dance contest. 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:57.480 Bridget Fondas in it. It's like a big It's Bridget 0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:00.000 fond of Phoebe Kate's and Annabeth Gish, I'm obsessed with 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:05.040 a shag and then she recently Annabeth Gish played you know, 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:09.240 one of my hometown murders is this woman, Jennifer Dulos, 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:12.760 who famously had five kids in and she they lived 0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:15.560 in New Canaan, in my town, and she disappeared and 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:18.440 her SUV was just found near where I had my 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.760 post prom and was just like never and then her 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:23.320 husband took his own life. 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.760 He cleared her ex husband. He clearly did it, like 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.520 but it's wild. She's just gone, like no one ever 0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:32.920 found her body. And Annabeth Gish just played her in 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:35.480 a movie called Gone Mom. I think I'm made for 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:39.320 TV movie. But anyway, it's a wild story. I'm I'm 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:40.760 sure they will be an svie about it. 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:44.400 I just wish he wrote where her body is or 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:46.760 what he did before he took his own life. Not 0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:49.000 that I would expect him to be a polite man 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:49.960 in his death, but. 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:53.360 No, like he was actually like a full psychotic narcissist, 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:56.560 like all the all. There's like a very big article 0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:58.840 in like New York magazine. Or Vanity Fair one of 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:00.680 the maybe the Atlantic, like one of those big ones 0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:02.760 that I read about their relationship, and it was like 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:07.400 he was a full like asshole, and so I'm sure 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:09.400 he wouldn't do that. He also just took his own 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:11.520 life and left his kids without a father, like five 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.320 children to get away from what he did. 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:17.920 So it's really or I mean, I think he did it. 0:59:17.960 --> 0:59:19.800 I think all the evidence points to him doing it, 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:23.240 but you know, I guess I can't say it's alleged anyway. 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:26.840 This Annabeth Gish, this is her only episode of SVU 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.280 playing a defense attorney, and she's a bitch and heels. 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.640 She's like asking Evelyn, so did you ever tell anyone 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:34.880 about this attack? And then she's like, no, I didn't 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:36.520 because I didn't think anyone would believe me. And then 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:38.640 she's like, oh, because you were having consensual sex with 0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:40.720 him for like six months, and it's like, this is 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.160 a very dumb lawyer move to even bring up consensual 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.040 sex to someone who's talking about something that happened when 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:47.080 they were sixteen, because we know that she can't consent, 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:48.600 and that's what Evelyn says. 0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:49.760 She's like, I couldn't consent. 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.320 I acquiesced, and then she goes, oh, is that a 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:54.440 fancy word that means you liked it, And that's not 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:58.160 what aquiesque means. And it's very rude, and Barbara objects 0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:00.720 and the judge overrules it, which I don't don't really get, 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:03.640 and then so she just starts like badgering Evelyn about 1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:05.960 you're only bringing up this forcible rape claim because you 1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:08.280 know it's a way around the statute of limitations, and 1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:11.000 Evelyn is like, bitch, I was a teen and my teacher, 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:14.600 who trusts I trusted, took advantage of me. And then 1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:19.600 huge dramatic moment, she pulls out the conk shell that 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:21.960 she was referring to earlier when she was talking to 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:25.920 I think Rollin's or something or no Careesi, and she's like, 1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:29.240 remember this, mister Carr, I saved it as a reminder, 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:31.920 and the lawyers like move to strike, and before the 1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:35.360 judge can even respond, Evelyn like raises the shell up 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.600 and then smashes it on the edge of the witness 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:41.800 box and it's really dramatic. She's bleeding, shaking, holding like 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:44.480 shards of shell in her hand, and then they cut 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:46.160 to a shot of car but you can see his 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:49.480 wife right behind him like glaring, and so we know 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.200 something's up with that little baby. So we go to 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:55.400 recess and get Evelyn a fucking band aid for her hand, 1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:57.840 and Carr's wife looks furious on the way out of 1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:01.200 this scene. So the next scene, she walks into the 1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:04.600 precinct and she I feel like she's wearing the same clothes. 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:06.720 It's the same day, but maybe I was like, she 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:09.960 just ran home and she knew that there was a 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:12.920 box of Jason's old teaching papers in the basement, and 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:14.960 so she went and got them. And she's holding the 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:18.560 Packard Literary Journal from nineteen ninety five and she directs 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:21.760 them to a poem on page fifteen. Rollins glances at 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:23.680 this poem and then is like, why are you showing 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:26.200 this us? This actually like hurts your husband's case. And 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:30.240 then she reaches into her purse and pulls out done done, 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:34.640 a shell just like Evelyn's. She got conked too. So 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:37.960 this dude's just out there given shells to random teens 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:42.200 across decades, like a full weirdo and now and they're 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:44.600 all falling for it. Every single one is like, thank 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:47.680 you for my shell, daddy, And so now Jason is 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:50.320 on the stand saying not to make fun of them. 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:52.720 A teacher giving you attention, a young teacher giving you 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:54.400 attention and coming on to you like that. I could 1:01:54.440 --> 1:01:56.680 absolutely have seen myself falling for something like that. I 1:01:56.680 --> 1:01:58.720 think I had crutches on, like all my male teachers 1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:03.320 that were under thirty. And now Jason's on the stand saying, 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.280 I was really young when I taught there. I had 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.680 feelings for Evelyn, and he goes, I know it sounds creepy, 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.280 but I was twenty four, and it's like and she 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:13.920 was sixteen, Like it's weird. I wouldn't a twenty four 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:15.920 year old now, I'd say like, no, you can't do that. 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:18.400 And he's like, I look back, and there's no excuse. 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:20.600 I took advantage of my power. It was wrong, and 1:02:20.640 --> 1:02:23.600 I'm so sorry, But I never used force to get 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:25.400 Evelyn to have sex with me. So then this is 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:27.720 what it's all boiling down to. He's not now not 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:31.000 denying that he had sex with teens. It's all about 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:34.520 this one encounter with Evelyn with the quarkscrew, and so 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:37.960 he said, I wanted to say sorry to the women, 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:40.080 and that's why I agreed to meet them at the hotel. 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:43.360 But then he describes everything that's happened since he got castrated, 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:46.960 like the plastic surgery, the hormones, the nightmares, and every 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:49.360 time he looks down, he's reminded that he'll never be 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:51.840 a dad. And it's like, I don't really care, sir, 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:54.400 and maybe you shouldn't be a dad. You're like out there. 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:56.200 Hooking up with teens when you're in your twenties. 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:59.040 And he starts crying, and this man can cry on 1:02:59.120 --> 1:03:01.000 a dime, so I don't really know if I trust it. 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:03.720 And because he's this is already the second time he's 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:06.800 cried in this episode, and he can't believe that someone 1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:08.840 could do this to another human being, and he's like, 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:13.240 haven't I suffered enough? And now it's Barba's turn, and guys, 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:15.960 he's got that literary journal in his hands and he 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:18.360 whips that baby over to car and he's like, would 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:21.240 you mind reading page fifteen the poem aloud? And he 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:23.880 has such a smug, barble look on his face. It's 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:26.040 kind of fun, Like I normally hate smugness, but when 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:29.600 Barbara's smug, I kind of love it. And the poem 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:34.480 is called Corkscrew and it's a full poem about being assaulted, 1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:37.120 and he's like, would you say that the person that 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:38.560 the man reads it out loud? 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:38.920 Car? 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:40.720 And then Barbara's like, would you say that the author 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:43.040 of this poem was sexually assaulted? And he's like, everyone 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:46.959 knows poems are just fake and imagination and they're not real. 1:03:47.000 --> 1:03:48.360 They're all metaphors and stuff. 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:50.400 And it's like, yes, Evelyn wrote the poem and it 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:52.280 was published in April of nineteen ninety five. This is 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:55.200 very damning, Like she may not have told somebody, but 1:03:55.280 --> 1:04:00.760 she fully recounted this happening in a published work. And 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:03.240 then we get shots of Evelyn looking very dramatic, the 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:04.560 wife looking very dramatic. 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:05.520 What's going on? 1:04:05.800 --> 1:04:08.320 Next scene, Live sidles up to Barba at the bar, 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:11.160 and she knew exactly where to find him. It's probably 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:14.600 for Forlini's or whatever, because when he comes back, it's 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:17.080 called last call at for Lani's Bar or something. So 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:20.920 Barba is considering offering a deal, and he says he 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:23.080 could do four years, the same as what Evelyn's going 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:27.760 to do, and lives like, but you proved that it 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:31.960 was forcible, and then he says, yeah, if she'd done 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:34.880 anything other than castrate him, like broke his nose, pokem 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:35.360 in the eye. 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:36.440 This would have been easier. 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:38.520 He's like, I think there's seven men on that jury 1:04:38.520 --> 1:04:41.440 who are going to feel Car's pain because they too 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:45.800 have balls. And so they have this philosophical combo about 1:04:45.800 --> 1:04:47.760 like why they do what they do, and then Live 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:50.120 goes we do this because the next girl who gets 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:52.880 raped needs to know that that person is us. And 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:55.480 I feel like the editors forgot a line because it's 1:04:55.480 --> 1:04:56.640 like what person you didn't? 1:04:57.080 --> 1:04:57.440 Really? 1:04:57.480 --> 1:04:59.439 I know, it's like the person who's going to fight 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:02.160 for you, but but the language is weird. I watched 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:04.040 it six times to try to understand what was going on, 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:05.840 and I was like, oh, it's just like an editor 1:05:05.880 --> 1:05:08.280 took out a line about like we're the person that fights. 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:13.000 So back in court, it's closing statement time and Carr's lawyer, 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:16.480 Annabeth Gish is talking about an eye for an eye, 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:19.720 basically saying like not even denying the crimes anymore, like 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.600 even if he did this, he's received adequate punishment, and 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:26.000 Barbara wants not only the eye, but an ear as well, 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:29.720 and so she's like, is that just are we giving 1:05:29.720 --> 1:05:32.600 Evelyn more justice than she deserves. And it's like, how 1:05:32.600 --> 1:05:34.560 do you get to decide how much justice a rape 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:37.720 victim gets as a like a teen rape victim gets. 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:40.880 So it's really wild and she is a master bitch. 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:43.600 I'm loving this for her. So now Barbara gets ready 1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:46.760 for what is going to be a master class closing argument. 1:05:46.840 --> 1:05:49.640 I did say this is one of his best performances. 1:05:49.720 --> 1:05:51.520 What we're about to see. He crumples up a piece 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:54.560 of paper, like, get ready for this, and he's talking 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:58.200 about if fair equals just, he's like, got it, So 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:01.520 we we've all decided that fair just And he's arguing 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:04.400 that that's kind of we can't let it just be 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:07.320 like that, Like if a guy whose house burns down 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:08.880 can just go out and burn down the house of 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:11.400 an arsonist, or a guy whose kids are murdered can 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:15.320 go murder the kids of his kid's killer, it's fair, 1:06:15.480 --> 1:06:17.280 so it must be just, Like if it's the same, 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:19.280 it must be just. Then he's like, but then why 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:21.880 bother with cops or courts, Like, honestly, if that's the 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:23.760 way it's gonna be, we can all just go vigilante 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:26.560 justice until our heart's content, you know, like everybody just 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:29.120 do eye for an eye all the time, and he's like, 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:30.720 if it's fair, it has. 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:33.040 To be just let the blood flow in the streets. 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:35.280 I say you don't like it, I say, get a 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.880 bigger pair of boots. So I think he's arguing about 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:40.479 the Pandora's box, that this could like that. This leads 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:43.480 to of like talking about eye for an eye in 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:46.560 court and so basically, what are we doing here in 1:06:46.560 --> 1:06:48.320 court if everything can be solved that way? And this 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:50.280 is the reason Barba is like one of the greatest 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:53.000 of all time, the goat. He the jury comes back 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:56.000 and car Is Boom Boom found guilty, and he looks 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:58.720 scared as hell, like he's immediately like, oh God, how 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:00.720 am I going to get my hormones for my dick 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.840 in prison? And Evelyn is crying and leaning on Olivia, 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:07.880 and justice feels like it has been served now. In 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:10.760 a final scene, we're at Liv's house. She's reading a 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:12.840 bedtime story to Noah. I feel like this might be 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:16.920 this little Noah's first season when they made the jump 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:20.960 from tiny Noah like toddler Noah to this Noah. And 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:23.880 she's making cute jokes about, you know, the rabbits in 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:25.800 the book ordering sushi, and then there's a knock at 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:27.760 the door and she's like, did you invite someone over? 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:30.040 And it's like all cute, and then Live goes to 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:34.120 answer the door and boom, it is Brooke Shields, who 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:36.600 happens to be one of Mrshca Hargetate's like best friends 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.720 by the way, and she introduces herself and says, I'm 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:43.439 Sheila Porter, Noah's grandmother, and Benson gets that face where 1:07:43.440 --> 1:07:45.680 she looks like she's about to barf, and that's dick 1:07:45.720 --> 1:07:46.320 wolf baby. 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:49.640 And if you listen, if you follow the show, you 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:51.360 know Sheila. 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:54.880 Porter is going to have some upcoming Yeah, She's going 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:58.600 to have some wild coming up shit. 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:01.120 So that was the great episode. 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:05.200 Thanks for taking us through it a lot of twists 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:08.760 and turns, and listen to our commercials and we'll be 1:08:08.840 --> 1:08:25.400 right back. So this is a New York case and 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:28.200 I really tried to avoid the New York Posts and 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:33.360 other sources we don't respect, but I dabbled. They they 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:37.080 do cover New York crimes a lot, so yeah, but 1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:40.920 very New York. So this case is about a teacher. 1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:44.080 This happened around twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, vibes and this 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:47.880 episode's twenty seventeen, so I think it's pretty connected. So 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:52.040 this man's name is Sean Shanack. He was a mathem 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:55.679 physics teacher at the Brooklyn Technical High School in Fort Green, Brooklyn, 1:08:56.360 --> 1:08:57.840 and you know. 1:08:57.840 --> 1:08:59.599 He which is a great high school by the way, 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:02.759 I think Brooklyn Tech is like a hard high school 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:04.080 to get into and a good high school. 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:06.720 Yeah, it's one of the most selective high schools in 1:09:06.760 --> 1:09:09.719 the city and like Deblasio's kid went there and stuff 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:15.240 like that. Yeah, it's definitely educationally top notch math and science. 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:18.360 So this guy, this little creep, he grew up on 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:21.679 Long Island and one of his brothers played a character 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:24.160 in the Showtime show Ray Donovan. And I don't know 1:09:24.200 --> 1:09:27.559 why the Times think that's like crucial information, but we 1:09:27.600 --> 1:09:29.360 are name droppers, so we do like that. 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:30.720 We're definitely. 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:35.640 Yeah, I've never watched Ray Donovan, but Kate Menig is 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:37.679 from it, like isn't it from Ald Outward? 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:40.000 So that definitely entices me. 1:09:40.920 --> 1:09:43.519 No, my parents love Ray Donovan. I think I feel 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:45.880 like Ray Donovan's like a parent's show, like it is. 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:49.280 It's like I think it's mob stuff, right, Yeah, it's 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.439 gonna cleaner up. It's like the guy who comes and 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.040 cleans it. Who's the guy in pulp fiction, the bear 1:09:54.360 --> 1:09:57.559 or the wolf? You know what the fuck's is, Harvey 1:09:57.640 --> 1:09:59.679 Kaitel whatever, the cleaner upper. 1:10:00.200 --> 1:10:02.000 So he was forty four at the time of his arrest, 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:04.200 very early in the school year of twenty fourteen, and 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.280 at the time of the initial arrest, one of his 1:10:06.400 --> 1:10:10.439 former students tweeted, everyone knew this was coming, and that's 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:12.960 how most like a lot of it very It's very 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:17.320 Louis c. K who's now making the podcast Rounds. I 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:19.439 don't know if you've noticed on your social media, but 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:21.479 he is out there doing the pods right now. 1:10:21.640 --> 1:10:22.120 He's back. 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:26.040 Wow, not that he ever actually left anywhere, but there's 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:27.240 just more places. 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:28.080 To not apologize. 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:32.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's just like chilling, hanging out, making 1:10:33.040 --> 1:10:37.880 jokes about like masturbation schedules like I yeah, and nobody 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:40.800 should have been surprised. Like the student, everyone should have 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:44.160 known because he was very He tried to act young 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:46.880 with the students and he encouraged them to call him 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:50.200 Sha Sha. So he wanted to be called shay Sheha 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:53.960 at work, and he was adding people on Facebook, and 1:10:54.240 --> 1:10:57.600 he was known to use terms like for real z's and. 1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:04.040 Lol, he's like a totsmagoats dude. Okay, Yeah. 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:09.720 Also photos leaked of him in the past from the 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:14.400 school dressed as a sexy French maid. And also one 1:11:14.520 --> 1:11:18.439 year he wore a midriff bearing Britney Spears schoolgirl uniform 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:21.800 and these photos of him were in the yearbook. So 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:27.720 he was wearing like sexy drag to the school. So 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:30.880 you know he would and being like call me, like, 1:11:31.040 --> 1:11:33.960 I just don't know how Anyone was like, yes, he 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.479 is a respected teacher we should have at this top 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:40.240 non school. So the time said he was considered cool 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:43.160 because he wore jeans and had a Mini Cooper. Now 1:11:44.000 --> 1:11:46.519 I didn't know having a Mini You gotta be kidding me. 1:11:47.800 --> 1:11:49.560 I guess it was easier to be cool back in 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:49.920 the day. 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:52.280 This is like, wait, did I ever tell you about 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:54.640 the boss I had who I like. I ended up 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:57.240 hating him, but I worked for him really briefly. And 1:11:57.320 --> 1:11:59.280 he goes, I'm kind of a car guy and he 1:11:59.360 --> 1:12:02.160 drove a Pezza Cruiser. I was like, you cannot say 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:05.200 you're a car guy and his guess what his license plate. 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:08.240 On his PT cruiser side. You gotta just tell me 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:15.840 red pill. Okay. PT cruisers were so ugly, so so ugly. 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:19.960 Our friend Lane moved to Chicago with his mom's Pete Cruiser, 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:24.560 but she she's a anti choice and so like the 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:28.160 license plate ram was like a lot like little children playing, 1:12:28.280 --> 1:12:31.599 like little chalk children stuff, And so when our friends 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:33.759 started dating him, she had to be like, we're changing 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:36.360 this immediately. You cannot have this on your fucking car. 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:40.759 But I remember our swim coach he got a Volkswagen Golf. 1:12:40.880 --> 1:12:42.560 But then he told us that his mom bought it 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.439 for him, and We're like, you fucking loser. And now 1:12:45.520 --> 1:12:48.600 I'm like, yeah, that makes you were in your twenties, Like, 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:50.200 of course your parents helped to get a car. 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:53.360 You're like a part time swim coach. But we just 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:57.200 were like, you loser. It's just funny that jeans and 1:12:57.240 --> 1:12:57.839 a Mini. 1:12:57.680 --> 1:13:00.639 Cooper are what got this guy cool status a teacher. 1:13:00.960 --> 1:13:02.000 That is really funny. 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:05.160 So yeah, everyone just said he was like a teenager 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:07.760 and a grown man's body. And before teaching, he never 1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:10.639 really followed through with anything and just jumped around from 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:14.800 city to city, job to job, just flowing around until 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:16.599 he decided to move back to New York and become 1:13:16.640 --> 1:13:17.040 a teacher. 1:13:17.960 --> 1:13:18.840 He's a girl dad. 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:20.720 I know, it's shocking. Once you have a daughter, it's 1:13:20.720 --> 1:13:24.160 impossible to commit crimes. Yeah, his daughter was nine at 1:13:24.200 --> 1:13:26.479 the time of his rest. He was not with the 1:13:26.520 --> 1:13:29.759 mother of his child. They were separated, but he started 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:32.639 dating her when he was a pilot for Express Jet. 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:34.400 Like this guy isn't a full idiot, like he did 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:36.920 become a pilot. He was a pilot, yeah, but then 1:13:36.920 --> 1:13:38.920 he left and then he didn't want to keep paying 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.840 for his house. He let it get foreclosed. Like he 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:45.280 just I'm not a very responsible person. So reading this 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:48.439 was triggering to me. But he's not a responsible guy. 1:13:48.560 --> 1:13:51.280 It was just like, yeah, leave this woman, I don't 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:53.360 want this job. I'm gonna stop paying for this house. 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:55.799 Like that's kind of yeah. You know, he wears jeans, 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:59.840 he's a hide So he was a pilot for ex 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:03.080 Rest Jet and then he started dating this flight attendant 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:05.680 while she was right out of high school. So right 1:14:05.720 --> 1:14:07.400 out of high school should be going a flight attendant. 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:09.720 And then they had a child and like separated very 1:14:09.800 --> 1:14:12.719 very quickly. He would also wear his pilot uniform to school. 1:14:12.840 --> 1:14:15.439 To show off and like pose for picks with the students. 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:19.800 So anyways, back to reality. So he was arrested for 1:14:19.920 --> 1:14:22.479 sending a nude photo of his genitals on Snapchat to 1:14:22.560 --> 1:14:25.679 a sixteen year old in June twenty fourteen. He actually 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:28.639 was alerted that the student took a screenshot of his dick, 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:31.280 and he then sent her two pictures of his face 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:34.960 looking angry to implicate himself even more in the dick 1:14:35.000 --> 1:14:39.280 photom oh god. She told her parents about the photo, 1:14:39.320 --> 1:14:41.600 and her father reported it to the FBI, and I 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:43.640 was like, why not the local precinct. He had a 1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:46.240 friend in the FBI, So he nepo babyed his way 1:14:46.280 --> 1:14:50.240 to the FBI, who then told him like, just let's 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:52.599 go to the police. He was picked up in August 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:55.799 twenty fourteen, and when he was arrested, he allegedly told police, 1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:57.439 fuck you, I'm not going anywhere. 1:14:58.000 --> 1:15:00.880 And he was wrong. He did go somewhere, and he did, 1:15:01.360 --> 1:15:05.280 he was taken. He so not only this, like so the. 1:15:05.360 --> 1:15:09.000 Sixteen year old got the stick photo. He then, with investigation, 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:13.000 faced an additional thirty six counts for years of sexual 1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:17.839 abuse against students age thirteen to nineteen. So seven girls 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:21.400 over three years were assaulted by him, and that's what added. 1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:21.839 To the charges. 1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:25.759 He was charged with reckless endangerment, kidnapping, committing a criminal 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:27.080 sexual act, and more. 1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:28.920 And these are some things he did. 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:30.720 So he did take a fifteen year old to a 1:15:30.840 --> 1:15:35.439 nude beach, and then ABC seven News added without her parents' consent, 1:15:35.600 --> 1:15:38.920 and it's like, yeah, we assumed, we assumed the parents 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:41.080 didn't sign a permission slip to go to this nude 1:15:41.120 --> 1:15:41.880 beach in Jersey. 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:45.519 Okay, he's brought a teen to a sex club. 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:48.559 He then raped an eighteen year old, but New York 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:52.559 Magazine in quotes put it as performing a sexual act 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:55.920 on an eighteen year old without consent, and it's like 1:15:56.320 --> 1:15:59.680 that's assault or abuse, rape, like you what like, it's 1:15:59.720 --> 1:16:04.479 such a long turnabout way of doing that. But basically 1:16:04.560 --> 1:16:07.840 what happened was he convinced one student to accompany him 1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:10.679 on to his subway stop and then to his home, 1:16:10.800 --> 1:16:12.559 and then in his apartment, he took his pants off, 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:15.200 pulled out his dick, and then inserted it into the 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:19.760 student's mouth. So that is the uugh, without a sex 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:24.439 act without consent. He requested two minor girls engaged in 1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:26.720 sex with each other. After getting them so drunk on 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:28.880 Jack Daniels and tequila to the point where one of 1:16:28.920 --> 1:16:31.719 them passed out, he grabbed a butt of a minor. 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:34.519 He told students that they should, in quotes, put their 1:16:34.600 --> 1:16:37.519 hands on a teacher's thigh as advice then how to 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:41.280 have sexual relationships with other teachers. He would hug students 1:16:41.360 --> 1:16:45.400 and press his pelvis against them. He also would like 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:48.559 take students and bring them like lunch outside of school 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:50.960 and go out to lunch. He manipulated a lot of 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:54.120 the girls with alcohol, cigarettes, and good grades. One girl 1:16:54.240 --> 1:16:57.799 received perfect scores constantly and she didn't answer the questions 1:16:57.920 --> 1:17:01.160 like she wouldn't answer questions, and then had one hundred percent. 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:02.479 Oh my. 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:05.400 So the two main groups of loyal students that he 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:09.920 had were smokers and children in his aerospace classes, which 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:13.120 is hysterical to me. So it's like, hah, the nerds 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:15.800 and the smokers. He knew how to use them, either 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:19.640 with grades or with nicotine. One former student said to 1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:21.880 The New York Times that he had long seemed to 1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:25.000 be in a quote spiral of loneliness, and they continued 1:17:25.080 --> 1:17:27.200 maybe with these students who looked up to him, who 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:29.560 cares about and who cared for him. He found what 1:17:29.640 --> 1:17:32.280 he was looking for, but he went about it inappropriately. 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:36.559 Cool student, I don't know, nice quote. He also had 1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:39.960 a history of problems dating back like before these crimes. 1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:43.799 So on October third, two thousand and five, he attacked 1:17:43.840 --> 1:17:46.840 an eleven year old neighbor named Devonte Watson. He was 1:17:46.960 --> 1:17:50.000 just like eleven year old kid, rough housing on the block, 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:53.000 throwing rocks, and one rock h at his house, and 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:55.720 the family said to the Times, even though he apologized, 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:57.200 it was just kind of fucked up. He took this 1:17:57.320 --> 1:17:59.559 eleven year old, beat him and threw him to the ground, 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:02.840 and the boy went to the hospital. The Watson family 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:05.760 was granted a restraining order for six months, but he 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:10.280 was not convicted and the charges were later expunged. But Davante, 1:18:10.320 --> 1:18:13.519 who's now at age twenty, he said, yeah, I feel 1:18:13.560 --> 1:18:15.400 like somebody who would do that to an eleven year 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:16.920 old should not have become a teacher. 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:20.800 And I thank you, Davante, thank you, how thank you? 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:23.320 Uh missus Traeger. How you do one thing is how 1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:24.080 you do everything? 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:28.600 Yeah, but especially beating a child like that, it's just 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:32.920 so crazy. I can't believe he didn't get like convicted, 1:18:33.240 --> 1:18:35.519 was there not was it like his word against the 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:38.639 kid's word, or like, I don't assuming there's. 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:40.240 Probably some race stuff happening there. 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:44.920 Yeah, unfortunately, so we don't really know how it would 1:18:44.960 --> 1:18:46.160 be handled in any other. 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:48.200 Kind of I mean, he might not have gotten jail time, 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:49.880 but it would have at least gone on his record, 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:51.519 and then he wouldn't have been able to teach. 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:51.760 You know. 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:55.560 Yeah, he was also disciplined for raiding a student in 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:59.519 twenty twelve, and then he would go to high school 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:02.719 parties and this is a thing like this isn't funny, 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:05.439 but he said he only went to the parties because 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:09.040 he wanted to listen to new music. Like my god, 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:12.080 I just kind of like love the delusion. There's just 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:15.000 something about this whole case in him as a human that's. 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:18.120 Like, what and this is all happening early two thousands, 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:20.040 like you would say over seven years. I guess you 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:22.360 would say it was like two thousand and like seven 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:24.320 until twenty fourteen kind of area. 1:19:24.479 --> 1:19:24.800 I guess. 1:19:24.920 --> 1:19:25.120 Yeah. 1:19:25.600 --> 1:19:30.120 Wow, It's like like in all the stuff that's here 1:19:30.200 --> 1:19:32.360 is just like I could almost see teachers doing some 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:34.879 of this stuff in like the seventies, but not like now. 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:37.680 You know, yeah, but like the hug like, you know, 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:38.479 it's the thing. 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:42.120 The hugging and the garden students probably felt like they 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:44.519 were special or like can I tell someone or is 1:19:44.600 --> 1:19:47.240 this normal? Like it's so hard to be sure of 1:19:47.320 --> 1:19:49.599 yourself as a teen, even as an adult, it's hard 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:52.240 to like be sure of yourself. I mean that guy 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:54.320 who like kissed me on my neck out of nowhere, 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:57.439 and I'm like a very capable, aggressive person and in 1:19:57.520 --> 1:19:59.040 that moment, I was like, what the fuck do I do? 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:02.040 You know? And so, you know, with teens, it's like 1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:06.439 I can't imagine having to deal with all this in 1:20:06.520 --> 1:20:09.479 your brain. But yeah, so he smoked cigarettes with all 1:20:09.520 --> 1:20:13.320 the kids outside and then after the rest they you know, 1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:16.160 a search warrant was issued and they seize three computers 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:19.040 on two phones, and they found hundreds of photos and 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:22.040 videos and about ten thousand text messages he exchanged with 1:20:22.080 --> 1:20:24.880 a fifteen year old Shane. Ak's defense was that the 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:27.640 student was working on a project with him. I mean 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:30.160 he's like Casey Anthony lying, you know what I mean, 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:33.920 It's like you've been caught and they just cannot stop lying. 1:20:34.800 --> 1:20:37.519 And they also find they also did find a video 1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:40.599 of him having sex with a teenager raping a teenager. Oh, 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:44.040 the language of all of the news about this is 1:20:44.120 --> 1:20:48.240 so fucked, like you can't write that, like, yeah, he 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:52.960 also had sex with two girls once they reached seventeen, 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:55.439 which is the legal age of consent. So he timed 1:20:55.479 --> 1:20:58.720 everything very carefully, like group groom come up and so 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:01.559 they're legal. And that's why the whole thing with Delia 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:04.360 and anyone that's like loves to play with the legality 1:21:04.400 --> 1:21:06.519 of like, well, she was consent, and it's like if 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:09.640 you're chasing consent like a surfer chasing a wave, like 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:11.240 you're you're a pedophile. 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:11.599 Bad. 1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:14.880 Yeah. So he was facing up to twenty five years 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:18.240 in prison if convicted. At first, he pled not guilty 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:20.360 and remained in jail and was held on a one 1:21:20.400 --> 1:21:22.719 million dollar bond or like six hundred grand in cash. 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:24.840 I don't know why I wrote that detail, but you know, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:28.519 I think fair. Of course, the school and many students 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:31.920 were split because some people were like, he's smart and 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:35.040 cool man, he's such a great teacher, and. 1:21:35.080 --> 1:21:36.479 Then a bunch of them are like, oh, yeah, he's 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:36.800 a creep. 1:21:37.200 --> 1:21:40.120 One student even set her their mother up with mister 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:44.679 Shanak and wanted him to be their father and adopted 1:21:44.720 --> 1:21:48.320 a free Shanak as their mantra online and still believes 1:21:48.360 --> 1:21:54.920 that he is innocent. So for real, zaes Ye, so 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:58.200 many students just like felt very close with him because 1:21:58.680 --> 1:22:01.960 he walked and talked them and they felt supported by him, 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:04.320 and it was all a very great cover to all 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:07.160 of his abuse. He did not speak in court at 1:22:07.280 --> 1:22:10.240 all except to say yes, and then he ended up 1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:12.120 taking a plea deal. So he took a plea for 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:15.080 the serious charges of second degree kidnapping, which is a 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:18.400 class B felony, for transporting a fifteen year old student 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.679 across state lines while taking her to that nude beach. 1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:25.400 He also pled guilty to disseminating indecent material to a minor, 1:22:25.880 --> 1:22:29.519 endangering the welfare of a child, and official misconduct. The 1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:32.040 guilty please did spare the young victims from having to 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:34.200 testify publicly. Because I was like reading a bunch of 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.040 the comments on some shit I was reading, I was like, 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:39.040 five years, what the fuck the system is fucked. I'm like, 1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:41.960 the system is fucked, but like that's what happens when 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:44.479 you please. It's like for these young students not having 1:22:44.520 --> 1:22:47.840 to go public when La so with the plea. He 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:50.400 was sentenced to five years in prison and five years 1:22:50.439 --> 1:22:54.479 of post release supervision and is now a violent predicate 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:57.200 felon who must register as a sex offender and will 1:22:57.280 --> 1:23:01.200 never be allowed to teach again. Obviously, I'm happy with 1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:03.320 the deal because there was an end date in his 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:04.720 head and he was like happy he would get to 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:06.920 see his daughter. I don't know if he still has 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:08.200 a relationship with his daughter or not. 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:12.760 I hope no. So I couldn't find where he was. 1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:14.840 I couldn't find anything, and then I go, oh, he's 1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:18.200 on the sexual registry. I'll look his ass up. Oh, 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:21.160 I looked his ass up on the sexual registry. It's 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:25.400 home fax dot com, slash offender details and his last 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:28.880 known address, unfortunately, is in La nine zero zero two 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:29.679 seven ZIP. 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:32.880 So, oh my god, I don't know if he's that 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:36.559 far from us. That's not that far. Where is that now? 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:39.599 Casey is looking it up, but I don't think it's 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:42.479 that far. He looks the same, but with like a 1:23:42.479 --> 1:23:46.559 little gray hair, and he's smiling, and he's just like Glendale, baby, 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:51.799 It's Glendale. So he is in Glendale. Last known address Glendale. 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:55.400 It's either Glendale or it could be Los Felis or 1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:57.840 Tye Town. I knew it was Los Felis as soon 1:23:57.840 --> 1:23:58.200 as I heard it. 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:00.880 I was like, I've written that that zip out for 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:03.759 Christmas cards because I have friends that live in Los Felis, 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:07.160 as I'm sure you do, and I don't remember it. Actually, 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:11.479 it's actually not Glendale. It's literally Los Felis or Tietown 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:15.400 or Little Armenia. Wow, that's a nice neighborhood. Those are 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:16.160 nice neighborhoods. 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:19.040 So but I don't know what he's doing for work. 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:24.040 I don't know anything, but who knows. I forgot that 1:24:24.160 --> 1:24:31.559 the registry is a source. Yeah, good job, because yeah, 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:34.680 I just couldn't. I didn't find a LinkedIn under that name, 1:24:34.720 --> 1:24:36.840 but there was no photos or infos, so like, maybe 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:38.840 that's a different one, you know, or maybe he does 1:24:38.960 --> 1:24:39.559 have a LinkedIn. 1:24:40.000 --> 1:24:40.720 Don't hire him. 1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:44.360 I wouldn't think that LinkedIn would be a great place 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:47.000 to be if you're a sex offender. Hopefully there's not 1:24:47.080 --> 1:24:49.679 anybody that has the name Sean Shane akhen is trying 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:52.639 to get a nice job out of college. Anyway, Thank 1:24:52.680 --> 1:24:54.200 you for telling me about that, Lisa. 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:54.840 I truly. 1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:57.400 You know, I'm a you know, I'm I'm a free 1:24:57.439 --> 1:24:59.600 newspaper queen. And I lived in New York at this 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:01.160 time of the rest, and I don't think I knew 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:01.760 anything about this. 1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:06.519 Yeah, it was really like the articles were really centered around, 1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:08.960 like just the times where it happened, and it seemed 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:11.080 like it was a quick pleadale. 1:25:11.479 --> 1:25:13.920 It seems quick. It seemed like a really quick case, 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:14.400 I think. 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.760 And if it was in uh maybe not this prestigious 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:21.040 of a high school, I wonder what the attention would be. 1:25:21.280 --> 1:25:24.080 Yeah, who knows. Totally. 1:25:24.280 --> 1:25:25.800 It's a good I mean, I had kids from Camp 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:29.040 that went there. It's a great high school. All right, 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:40.320 don't go anywhere. We've got a great guest. Okay, today's guest, 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:43.160 you guys, is the definition of booked and blessed baby. 1:25:43.360 --> 1:25:46.080 She has recently been seen on Chicago p D, Chicago 1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:50.400 Med Swat, and has a recurring role on FBI Plus. 1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:53.880 She even acted alongside one Christopher Maloney on Law and 1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:57.400 Order Organized Crime. But in the SVU universe, you know 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:02.680 her as the conk shell smashing Evelyn. Guys, enjoy the 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:05.080 chat that we enjoyed with Kathleen Monroe. 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:09.639 Have you always been fashion icons as that through your age, 1:26:09.720 --> 1:26:12.719 Like what what is your fashion journey? 1:26:15.400 --> 1:26:18.360 No, I love that. I love this question. Thank you 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:22.680 so much. I do you know what I try? And 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:24.680 this is like also supported by the. 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:27.360 Energy of my wife who kind of lives her life 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:29.800 this way. But like we don't buy anything new really, 1:26:30.120 --> 1:26:33.760 so like it just means that everything that kind of 1:26:33.880 --> 1:26:36.719 like every almost everything I say, like ninety five percent 1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:38.840 of what I have in my closet is like pre 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:41.800 owned from a market or something or from a you know, 1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:45.280 like a some kind of consignment shop or you store 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:48.960 or whatever. So it just feels like like I feel 1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:49.880 really comfortable when I. 1:26:49.920 --> 1:26:53.320 Don't have the same stuff as everybody else. So everything 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:55.120 feels like a like it finds me. 1:26:55.680 --> 1:26:58.160 Yeah, there's a story to it all. And how is 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:01.080 the wardrobe on SVU just seamless transition? 1:27:01.520 --> 1:27:02.000 Oh man? 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:04.519 I mean I remember when they they when I got 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:07.519 there and uh we started the fitting and I was like, oh, 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:10.639 she's a bad girl, like she's a bad Like yeah, 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:13.640 I remember they had like earcuffs and like little like 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:17.360 extra piercing things, and I don't know, I mean, it's 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:19.560 cool when when that happens, because it just does so 1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:21.640 much of the acting work for you, like, you know, 1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:24.760 it just it kind of like announces character in this way. 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:28.920 So yeah, I got what they were doing with the 1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:30.000 with the word. 1:27:30.240 --> 1:27:32.559 They also remember the hair stylist wanted it to look 1:27:32.640 --> 1:27:36.000 like I had an undercut, so she just braided the sides. 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:37.360 Of my Yeah, I noticed the braid. 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:40.000 I noticed the braids because I remember being like, I 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:42.320 know that hair and wardrobe did that, But how does 1:27:42.360 --> 1:27:44.920 a regular girl wake up and just go I'm just 1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:48.840 gonna like do super tight braids in my Like it 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:50.680 looks so difficult. 1:27:50.520 --> 1:27:52.439 Got nothing going on in my life at that point, 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:54.479 So may as we'll spend four and a half hours 1:27:54.600 --> 1:27:54.960 making it. 1:27:55.240 --> 1:27:58.920 Yeah, just giving myself like, yeah, what do you call 1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:01.320 like cornrows am on the side? 1:28:01.560 --> 1:28:03.240 Yeah, wait, what about the tattoos? 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:04.880 Tattoos? 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:05.360 Uh? 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:08.080 Did they add? I have a few tattoos, And I 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:10.479 did watch the episode again and I'm trying to remember 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:12.519 it they added I. 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:16.560 Think they're like some risk stuff you had that some pieces. 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:17.840 Yeah those were added. 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:22.720 Yeah, but she definitely was like an adult like goth punk. 1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:25.880 Yes, yes, which like you know, I I was, you know, 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:27.479 I came of age in the nineties. 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:27.720 Like that. 1:28:27.920 --> 1:28:30.280 I that wasn't so far from my heart. 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:34.400 I got it, And did you know you booked it 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:38.000 in the room. How was the audition? How did you 1:28:38.120 --> 1:28:39.160 react when you got it? 1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:42.680 Okay, this what a wild thing is I did not 1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:46.240 audition for this part. Yeah, which is like I know, 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:50.360 like this is a rarity that this happens in my life. 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:54.639 And it was. It was really funny because I had 1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:55.799 I think I had. 1:28:57.320 --> 1:29:03.360 Auditioned right to the end against Sophia Bush for Chicago PD. 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:08.000 Oh and yeah, and she obviously, I mean what you know, 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:10.800 like she's going to get that and she was fabulous. 1:29:10.880 --> 1:29:13.960 And but Jonathan Strauss, who's the casting director who's incredible, 1:29:14.000 --> 1:29:15.680 does all the dick Wolf stuff and it's just like 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:18.920 a real loyal guy, it turns out. 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:18.920 And. 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:22.880 Yeah, and just just called me. 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:26.960 He actually, yeah, I actually got a call for something 1:29:27.040 --> 1:29:28.760 else and I don't remember what it was in the 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:32.439 dick Wolf world, but it wasn't a su But before 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:35.760 the SVU call, something else came up, and I had, 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:38.360 like I never get you know, offers are very rare, right, 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:40.479 like this was a very a very nice thing that 1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:42.400 they were even thinking of me, that they remembered me 1:29:42.520 --> 1:29:45.240 at all, and I had just I had just done 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:50.120 a series of like real heavy victim parts like like 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:53.000 got like brutalized in like show after show after show 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:55.360 for like a little stretch of time. 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:57.840 There, and I was like, I remember talking to my agent. 1:29:57.880 --> 1:29:58.920 I was like, I don't know if I can do 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:03.240 another one off trauma show, like I think I playing 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:05.799 like a victim. And something came up in that realm 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:09.600 from the like dick Wolf people, right as I had 1:30:09.640 --> 1:30:12.280 said like I just need a break from like dying 1:30:12.360 --> 1:30:17.040 and getting like beaten, and so something came up and 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:19.400 I was like, I remember talking it through with my 1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:20.560 agent and I was like, I don't know, I just 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:23.000 I think I need just like a break from playing 1:30:23.040 --> 1:30:23.439 a victim. 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:26.000 So I said no to something, which again like I have. 1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:28.560 No right doing it ever in my career, but it 1:30:28.760 --> 1:30:31.400 just felt really like the right thing to do for 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:34.559 where I was at. And I was like, well, they're 1:30:34.600 --> 1:30:36.439 probably never going to call me back now, And then 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:38.160 the next week they called me back and they're like, Okay, 1:30:38.920 --> 1:30:40.920 do you want to go honest with you and play 1:30:41.040 --> 1:30:42.160 the girl who cuts off. 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:48.439 The guy's balls? And I was like, oh yeah, so yeah, 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:52.400 it was like kind of out of nowhere, and I 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:55.320 was beside myself. I was so so excited. 1:30:55.520 --> 1:30:56.160 That's awesome. 1:30:56.640 --> 1:30:58.720 Now, what about like you were facing off with some 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:00.400 of the big ones. You were with me, you were 1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:02.040 with Peter Scanavino, a bunch. 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:05.759 Of wild You had one on ones with Kelly Giddish, 1:31:06.439 --> 1:31:09.479 Mrshca Carte and Peter Scanavino, full one on ones. 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:12.439 Yeah, yeah, oh it was. It was incredible and they 1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:15.719 were all, uh, they were all really lovely. 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:18.439 I remember everyone as like, as you know, at this point, 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:20.880 like the level of sensitivity on that set is really high, 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:26.640 so everyone was like really really lovely. I remember like 1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:33.960 Marishka just being kind of like like just this supportive presence, 1:31:34.080 --> 1:31:36.479 you know. She and she was like one thing I 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:38.360 remember she did too on I think it was our 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:41.880 last day was with the girls, the other girls, and 1:31:42.000 --> 1:31:42.920 I just thought it was such. 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:44.160 A sweet thing that she did. 1:31:44.280 --> 1:31:46.000 Like we'd been kind of chatting and stuff, and she 1:31:46.160 --> 1:31:49.720 was like very very generous with her like conversation even 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:54.479 on set, like just you know, just just sweet. And 1:31:55.600 --> 1:31:57.960 she suggested like at the end that we all take 1:31:58.000 --> 1:32:01.040 a photo together, and like definitely we were all prior 1:32:01.120 --> 1:32:02.800 to that like being like can we. 1:32:02.840 --> 1:32:04.400 Get a photo with her? What are we gonna do 1:32:04.479 --> 1:32:04.800 around here? 1:32:06.680 --> 1:32:09.760 And it's just like that's the coolest thing that she 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:13.840 uh yeah, just like offered and stepped done and was 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:16.920 yeah adult but like crying into her bosom. You know. 1:32:17.160 --> 1:32:19.200 I feel like people of a certain level like that 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:21.320 will do that, Like Andy Cohen did that to me, 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:23.000 and it's a Lisa when we were just gona watch 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:24.479 what happens, Like he came up, He's like, let's get 1:32:24.479 --> 1:32:26.080 a photo and I was like, well, thank god because 1:32:26.120 --> 1:32:27.479 I was obviously gonna ask for one. 1:32:27.720 --> 1:32:27.840 Right. 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:31.599 It's such a generosity, like it's so cool. It's so cool. 1:32:33.000 --> 1:32:35.599 Yeah, but they were all great, like Kelly I remember 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:37.000 being really great. 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:42.120 And uh and Peter as well. That scene. 1:32:42.160 --> 1:32:45.280 I remember he was like very just like sensitive and 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:47.519 seemed kind of like emotionally invested like he was. He 1:32:47.640 --> 1:32:49.040 was really like right there. 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:53.120 Yeah, it was good. We didn't do it too many times, 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:57.200 like he was like really just just on and sweetheart. 1:32:57.880 --> 1:32:59.960 Yeah that's how we hear that. It's like really fun 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:01.040 paste on there. 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:03.240 I don't know if you, but you've done so much 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:06.000 other like procedural and Dick Wolf stuff. I feel like 1:33:06.200 --> 1:33:09.240 just looking at your resume, I mean Chicago p D, 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:12.679 FBI and then the NCIS CS. 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:14.839 I like, do you have a favorite squad? 1:33:15.920 --> 1:33:16.080 Oh? 1:33:16.400 --> 1:33:19.680 Man, I mean to what, like I like watching a 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:21.360 S for you like that was like it was such 1:33:21.400 --> 1:33:25.040 an unbelievable treat to get to be on that set 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.360 because that's that's the one that I watched most of. 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:30.240 I really loved FBI, like I did. I went in 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:32.080 for one episode of FBI and then ended up just 1:33:32.160 --> 1:33:35.840 like staying for a while. And uh, and they're just 1:33:36.040 --> 1:33:39.639 there's They're like a nice, nice group over there. Jeremy 1:33:39.760 --> 1:33:43.320 Sisto love them Alta, Like everybody. 1:33:43.000 --> 1:33:45.519 There is just like just lovely. And that was just 1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:47.000 the one that I spent the most time with. So 1:33:48.280 --> 1:33:50.599 they they have a really special place in my heart. 1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:54.519 And I just got off Guys tomorrow my first episode 1:33:54.560 --> 1:33:57.400 of Organized Crime errors, which I just did. 1:33:57.520 --> 1:34:02.559 A wait, I watch like religiously. I'm like really into 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:05.599 organized crime. So are you allowed to say what you're 1:34:05.720 --> 1:34:06.599 playing or you can't? 1:34:06.640 --> 1:34:06.840 Really? 1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:10.400 I I actually don't know, but I mean you're probably 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:13.280 it'll it'll have it'll air like it's airing literally tomorrow. 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:16.439 I think, oh it's airing tomorrow. Sorry, I thought maybe 1:34:16.479 --> 1:34:17.920 you were shooting it tomorrow. 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:19.439 No, sorry, no, so I've done. 1:34:19.560 --> 1:34:21.120 Oh I'm excited to watch. 1:34:21.000 --> 1:34:22.880 You thinks I'm excited to see it. 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:25.360 It's a i mean, unlike such a Stabler head that 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:27.000 I was like by the time I got to Sbu, 1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:29.880 he was gone, love Kelly, like you know, there's no 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:30.840 shortage of love there. 1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:35.040 But it was so exciting to get to go into 1:34:35.120 --> 1:34:36.280 his little world for a minute. 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:41.360 And yeah, and so I play as I play someone 1:34:41.360 --> 1:34:43.360 from the DA's office, who's. 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:46.400 Okay, you're on the lass side. Yeah, you're on the side, 1:34:46.520 --> 1:34:47.680 the order side. 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:51.000 Totally totally, and we kind of team up to to 1:34:51.120 --> 1:34:52.240 try to figure something out. 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:55.879 And I think that's kind of may came. 1:34:55.800 --> 1:34:56.639 Up with Sabler. 1:34:56.920 --> 1:34:57.960 Yeah, it's really was it. 1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:02.400 He is intense, intense actor, Like he loves to stretch. 1:35:02.720 --> 1:35:06.160 So how was that Yeah as a partner. 1:35:06.720 --> 1:35:11.680 Okay, so moment one he has his leg full like 1:35:12.560 --> 1:35:16.680 extended on the counter full stretch. 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:19.360 And it was, I mean, it was a joy. 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:23.840 Like he's he's for sure intense and and definitely has 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:25.120 like a stake in how. 1:35:25.040 --> 1:35:26.400 The show goes. 1:35:26.479 --> 1:35:28.560 So he's really vocal about like what he wants and 1:35:28.640 --> 1:35:31.240 it's kind of like it's an assuring energy, like to 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:32.840 come in and be like okay, like there, you know. 1:35:33.960 --> 1:35:37.080 We had I worked with two directors so far, Test 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:39.920 Malone and and Brenda Maloy, and they were both fantastic too. 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:43.680 But he was He's really like, uh, he really kind 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:47.840 of comes in helps to steer that ship. It went 1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:49.400 really well. I really loved it. 1:35:49.800 --> 1:35:53.519 I had a uh maybe the worst probably I felt 1:35:53.560 --> 1:35:55.599 like the worst first impression I've ever had in twenty 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:59.400 years of work on that show, because basically I got 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:02.040 called to go to see if I wanted to do it, 1:36:02.680 --> 1:36:06.240 like quite late at night on Tuesday, flew Wednesday, started 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:10.160 work Thursday. It was really really tight and somewhere in 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:14.280 the shuffle I didn't see a scripture vision so started 1:36:14.320 --> 1:36:18.120 the scene and it had changed, so it was like 1:36:18.200 --> 1:36:20.960 three new pages of dialogue that I'd never seen. Oh no, 1:36:21.680 --> 1:36:26.280 and just have never felt like like such a kind 1:36:26.320 --> 1:36:28.320 of amateur in my entire life. 1:36:29.240 --> 1:36:31.160 But it was fine, Like we got through it. 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:33.800 He was like game to just kind of sit and 1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:37.040 run it with me a few times before we before 1:36:37.080 --> 1:36:40.519 we got it on his feet and think heavens above 1:36:40.800 --> 1:36:44.720 that like that was the vibe because it was true, like, 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:46.320 you know, just really felt like. 1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:47.519 And what do you do? 1:36:48.160 --> 1:36:50.719 Three pages of dialogue is not like are you quick 1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:53.800 at memorized? Like how does that? What's the troubleshoot? After that? 1:36:54.120 --> 1:36:56.280 I just clunked along until I got it. I don't know, 1:36:56.600 --> 1:36:59.080 I don't know, like by the by the grace of 1:36:59.240 --> 1:37:01.160 the no dick Wolf. 1:37:01.040 --> 1:37:03.400 God, that is like the actor's nightmare is like, you know, 1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:05.559 you're on stage and you forgot your lines or whatever, 1:37:05.720 --> 1:37:07.840 but this is like not really your fault, because it was. 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:10.880 Like I just literally had the nightmare like I have 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:14.080 had the nightmare of being you know, at work and 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:16.320 then being thrown into something that I've never seen before. 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:18.000 And I was like, well, I'm familiar with this feeling 1:37:18.040 --> 1:37:23.080 from the depths and here we are conscious, but but 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:25.679 you know, we recovered and it was good, and then yeah, 1:37:25.680 --> 1:37:28.160 I came back and did another one, and I mean 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:31.640 it's it's like it just looking into his face and 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:36.920 eyes is like, uh, it's a trip because if you. 1:37:36.960 --> 1:37:39.120 Know, wow, I mean like I love him from wet, 1:37:39.160 --> 1:37:40.559 hot American summer days. 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:44.200 And yeah, same same, you know, I love that you 1:37:44.360 --> 1:37:47.919 confirmed the immediate stretching You're not going to catch Christopher 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:49.559 Maloney pulling a muscle that is. 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:55.720 No damn no raam So can I swing to ask vu? 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:56.639 To ask you a question? 1:37:56.840 --> 1:37:59.040 I need to know pretty much everything about when you 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:02.960 slam that shell exactly because that I remember when I 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:05.240 watched that, because I rewatched it obviously to talk to you, 1:38:05.360 --> 1:38:07.439 but I've watched it when it came on a couple 1:38:07.479 --> 1:38:10.080 of years ago and was like, what is happening to 1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:10.679 her hand? 1:38:10.920 --> 1:38:12.760 Like it just felt like there were like shards of 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:15.600 shell on, like what how did they do it? How 1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:16.120 did you do it? 1:38:16.360 --> 1:38:21.240 They had like about six shells that it's an amazing 1:38:21.360 --> 1:38:25.000 crew over there. They made these like like squishy rubber 1:38:25.040 --> 1:38:27.920 shells and so they molded the one like the real 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:30.040 shell into this squishy rubber and. 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:31.679 Then that's what I was slamming down. 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:36.160 So it felt like safe but also really anticlimactic because 1:38:36.200 --> 1:38:38.680 it was just like a chew toy almost like so 1:38:38.960 --> 1:38:40.920 it was just like using that prop over and over. 1:38:41.000 --> 1:38:43.719 And then they had a couple that were made to break, 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:46.680 and I feel like the first one wouldn't break, and 1:38:46.760 --> 1:38:48.599 then we got one that did that would shatter kind 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:49.720 of like a candy glass thing. 1:38:49.880 --> 1:38:51.880 But yeah, it was it was almost like. 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:52.719 A sugar glass. 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:56.040 Okay, oh cool, because you know the famous what is 1:38:56.080 --> 1:39:02.080 it and Django Leonardo DiCaprio really cut his hand ad 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:04.479 that he kept going and it was his real blood 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:05.120 and they used it. 1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:10.240 Yeah, but sugar blood yt Yeah, yeah, definitely, I am 1:39:10.439 --> 1:39:12.040 basically Leonardo DiCaprio. 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:17.920 It's in terms of like skilled, you know, and uh no, 1:39:18.040 --> 1:39:19.720 I think they I think it was all fake. That 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:22.519 was all fake blood. They that was pure you know TV. 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:25.400 Wow, Well because I loved it. What I'm thinking? 1:39:25.479 --> 1:39:27.519 So you got one on ones with all of these people, 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:30.760 precinct scenes, and then to take the stand. You really 1:39:30.840 --> 1:39:33.280 had such a especially if someone that watches the show, 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:36.800 you really got to experience a full episode and all 1:39:37.160 --> 1:39:37.759 its glory. 1:39:38.240 --> 1:39:38.599 Totally. 1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:41.880 It felt like like I remember just being so so 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:44.160 psyched to see all of those sets and like to 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:47.600 be yeah, to like be on this stand. Yeah, like 1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:49.479 it felt it just it was like, oh, this is 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:51.120 the whole this is the whole show, Like I don't 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:54.360 that stuff never is was old like it's so it 1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:56.360 was exciting and. 1:39:56.520 --> 1:39:59.040 You got to say the name of the episode another 1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:02.320 that's another track on our Bingo cars. So we do 1:40:02.479 --> 1:40:04.920 for people you get to have like a courtroom breakdown, 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:08.439 a being like, you know, an interrogation, say the name 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:09.120 of the episode. 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:11.800 Yeah, yeah, so you bingo baby. 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:15.679 So, as a watcher, are there episodes that like haunt 1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:18.080 you or stick with you or like favorites, like when 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:20.400 you're in a hotel you're like, oh, great, this one's on. 1:40:21.080 --> 1:40:24.080 Yeah, okay, I think my favorite is one that I 1:40:24.120 --> 1:40:26.360 think you're doing live soon and it's Beef. 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:29.479 Like it just it just did it. 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:33.400 I mean it's the Yeah, it's probably the most referenced, 1:40:33.400 --> 1:40:36.680 like Gigabytes of girls, butts is probably like the most referenced. 1:40:36.320 --> 1:40:39.800 F line in my life when it comes to spu. 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:42.760 Man, Like what like that? 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:48.200 Yeah, that's that's for sure a favorite? Uh what else? 1:40:49.040 --> 1:40:51.800 Margaret Chow's episode was great, Like I just love her 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:55.519 so much. It's fun to see like when people people 1:40:55.600 --> 1:40:59.519 pop up in it and yeah, god, I don't know, yeah, 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:01.519 there's there's there's there's a lot. 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:04.320 Mark Well, as a Faniel love this. So Margaret show 1:41:04.560 --> 1:41:08.800 was our first live show. She was a guest in 1:41:08.960 --> 1:41:11.360 Austin and we do like would you rather it's at 1:41:11.360 --> 1:41:13.120 the end of her shows and we asked her who 1:41:13.120 --> 1:41:16.040 would you rather get high with, you know, a Finn 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:19.360 or Munch And she went, I've gotten high with both 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:22.080 of them. This game is like irrelevant to me. And 1:41:22.240 --> 1:41:23.760 we were like, oh my god, how do you get 1:41:24.280 --> 1:41:26.479 cooler every passing moment? 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:28.920 Right? Because she I remember her on your sho didn't 1:41:29.240 --> 1:41:31.640 Did you have some story about like Lisa vanderbum on 1:41:31.760 --> 1:41:32.000 you like. 1:41:32.320 --> 1:41:35.680 Say, she holds she held Jiggy and then and then 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:37.320 Jiggy like die the next day? 1:41:37.439 --> 1:41:41.360 Oh god, it's just legend. My goodness. 1:41:43.800 --> 1:41:46.280 Do you have anything coming up that you're excited about? 1:41:46.400 --> 1:41:48.760 Like I saw on your IMTV something about like City 1:41:48.880 --> 1:41:50.040 on Fire or something. 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:50.559 Yeah. 1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:54.000 Yeah, So I have this show that I'm on that's 1:41:54.040 --> 1:41:58.160 coming out in uh in May, May twelve on Apple Plus. 1:41:59.280 --> 1:42:00.439 And it's called City and Virus. 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:04.960 Really fun, like created by the people who created the OC, 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:11.200 like very like juicy drama, really really fun nostalgia too. 1:42:11.240 --> 1:42:13.000 It's in in two thousand and three, so it's like 1:42:13.720 --> 1:42:18.639 it really kind of makes me feel tender for that time. 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:21.200 And it said new York. We shot New York. It 1:42:21.280 --> 1:42:25.479 was really really fun. It's a great cast, and uh it's. 1:42:25.800 --> 1:42:28.080 Yeah, it will be on in May. It's really fun. 1:42:28.120 --> 1:42:29.000 And it's so cool. 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:32.840 Okay, sitting on fire may Apple, Yeah, you're so in 1:42:33.040 --> 1:42:34.200 the Dick Wolf universe. 1:42:34.240 --> 1:42:37.800 It's amazing. It's a damp of approval on your. 1:42:37.720 --> 1:42:41.080 Sil I feel so I feel so grateful to them, 1:42:41.120 --> 1:42:44.599 like Jathan Jonathan Strauss honestly, but like the it's been 1:42:44.680 --> 1:42:48.280 maybe four or five times that out of nowhere, something 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:49.760 just comes up and I. 1:42:49.840 --> 1:42:51.280 Get to go and do one of these shows and 1:42:51.400 --> 1:42:53.880 it feels like it feel you know what it feels 1:42:53.920 --> 1:42:54.920 like like when I was a kid. 1:42:55.160 --> 1:42:58.040 I I would watch a lot of Order when I 1:42:58.080 --> 1:43:01.160 was home from school sick. It would play all day 1:43:01.360 --> 1:43:05.320 on this one channel in Canada, and so it felt like, 1:43:05.640 --> 1:43:09.000 you know, like my like take with the caregiver when 1:43:09.040 --> 1:43:10.679 I was sick was Law and Order, like the Jerry 1:43:10.800 --> 1:43:14.880 or Bock days and stuff, and so it was like 1:43:15.040 --> 1:43:17.400 what I imagined acting to be. It was like, Oh, 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:19.080 these people get to go, you know, like like the 1:43:19.160 --> 1:43:21.519 walk down the street and the you know, the all 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:22.559 the stuff in the courtroom. 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:24.519 Like it just felt like when I was a little 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:26.200 kid imagining what it was like to be an actor. 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:28.120 It's like, yeah, you're like you're a police guy or 1:43:28.200 --> 1:43:30.439 you're like a Bagy on these shows or whatever, and 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:33.680 so yeah, every time it just feels like doing a 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:37.599 thing that I imagine doing and it's uh, yeah, it's 1:43:37.640 --> 1:43:38.880 a fun times. 1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:41.439 It's an iconic TV world. 1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:44.000 Yeah, and you don't want to be in the Dick 1:43:44.040 --> 1:43:48.800 Wolf universe. It's a blessing. It's a blessing. A blessing. Absolutely, 1:43:49.320 --> 1:43:51.479 there's so many properties. They could just keep moving you 1:43:51.560 --> 1:43:53.360 around to do with things you could be working there. 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:56.599 It's like, uh, it's like Lisa and the comedy clubs, 1:43:56.840 --> 1:43:58.799 you know, they're all Bucaner. 1:44:00.200 --> 1:44:00.840 We love to hear. 1:44:01.160 --> 1:44:03.960 Yeah, this is amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank 1:44:04.000 --> 1:44:05.519 you for taking the time to talk to us. 1:44:05.680 --> 1:44:06.240 It's awesome. 1:44:06.479 --> 1:44:09.760 Anymore, like tidbits, did anything funny, Yeah, like craft services 1:44:09.920 --> 1:44:11.920 or like any other little funny stories from when you 1:44:12.000 --> 1:44:12.599 were on SVU. 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:14.760 Okay, this was this was kind of I thought this 1:44:14.960 --> 1:44:18.640 was just like really sweets. Mishka was like at one 1:44:18.680 --> 1:44:21.000 point where were chatting in a group about like kind 1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:22.960 of you know, like what our lives are like, and 1:44:23.560 --> 1:44:25.679 I mentioned, you know, she asked if I was married. 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:28.479 I mentioned someone I was seeing and and she was like, oh, oh, 1:44:28.640 --> 1:44:30.920 like realize that I'm I'm queer. And she was like, 1:44:31.000 --> 1:44:33.240 you know, it's so funny, like like it seems like 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:35.080 lesbian's really really liked me. 1:44:35.240 --> 1:44:36.640 I don't know why, Like I don't know. 1:44:36.640 --> 1:44:37.240 What I do that. 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:44.040 And I was like, i'll tell you. But she was something. 1:44:44.080 --> 1:44:46.000 She was like, I don't know why. I was like, 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:48.120 I've never seen a mirror before. 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:51.519 I just don't know, never watched the show. 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:53.280 Yeah, the hottest woman alive. 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:58.200 But also it's like caring, Yeah, caring, but like tough, 1:44:58.400 --> 1:44:59.240 like in a blazer. 1:44:59.680 --> 1:45:01.000 Yeah, got it, all of it. 1:45:01.160 --> 1:45:02.720 And she and she was just like, but I love it, 1:45:02.840 --> 1:45:04.960 Like I just think it's so it's so cool, like 1:45:05.040 --> 1:45:06.000 they're so nice to me. 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:11.280 I was like, yeah, a great community to have your back. 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:13.439 Also, yeah, we're there, we're there. 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:16.160 Well you've seen the episode where Kathy Griffin plays a 1:45:16.240 --> 1:45:18.000 lesbian who kisses Benson. 1:45:18.200 --> 1:45:22.560 Yes, iconic, iconic, I got it. 1:45:23.520 --> 1:45:26.080 Yeah, that was a great tidbit. I'm glad we got 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:29.439 is so cool. That is the best. 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:32.200 Like I mean, honestly, our listeners are going to die 1:45:32.400 --> 1:45:34.960 because that is they may I would say a lot 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:39.000 of them are in that demo of the Loving Great Lesbians. 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:41.439 Well, since you've met them all. I guess, should we 1:45:41.520 --> 1:45:44.679 do a fun game of fuck Mary kill? You don't 1:45:44.720 --> 1:45:45.679 have to kill anybody? 1:45:46.240 --> 1:45:46.479 Yeah? 1:45:47.520 --> 1:45:48.400 Yeah, sure? 1:45:48.439 --> 1:45:49.280 Do we cut out? 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:53.240 I guess we'll do Benson Stabler, and then you could 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:54.879 pick between Rollins and Creasy. 1:45:55.320 --> 1:45:57.360 I guess. I don't know. 1:45:57.680 --> 1:46:00.800 You throw Kreesy in the mix, though, it's like the 1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:02.280 fuck becomes tough. 1:46:02.160 --> 1:46:06.240 Because it was gonna be like I mean, because it's like, oh, 1:46:06.320 --> 1:46:10.519 he's a he's something, he's spicy, another one. 1:46:10.560 --> 1:46:12.880 I'll be fuck Mary kill and share a meal? 1:46:13.439 --> 1:46:17.080 Okay, okay, share a meal. I'm gonna go Benson. 1:46:17.400 --> 1:46:20.599 I mean as much as that's a maybe no wait, 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:25.920 I'm sorry, Mary Benson, Mary Benson, I'm gonna say, uh. 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:36.040 Fuck stay meal with okay, yeah, meal with uh meal 1:46:36.120 --> 1:46:39.559 with with Ralins not But I don't want to kill Coresy. 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:40.679 I don't know, guys, it's too hard. 1:46:40.760 --> 1:46:43.320 I don't have to kill. Maybe Coreas' is like go 1:46:43.720 --> 1:46:44.120 make out. 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:46.479 Maybe it's a meal it's making I don't kill make 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:47.839 make out with Careasey. 1:46:48.400 --> 1:46:57.000 Yeah that I feel like we don't feel comfortable playing 1:46:57.040 --> 1:46:57.479 that with money. 1:46:57.560 --> 1:46:57.760 Guys. 1:46:57.840 --> 1:46:59.600 Listen, I'm glad I invited it. 1:47:01.040 --> 1:47:04.040 Well, you you are an actor you know, some actors 1:47:04.120 --> 1:47:05.840 are actors. 1:47:06.360 --> 1:47:07.000 Right, not me. 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:13.040 Thank you so much, Kathy, Thank you so much for 1:47:13.160 --> 1:47:14.360 taking the time the po. 1:47:14.840 --> 1:47:15.519 I love the pod. 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:18.240 I love the pod and the show, and I just 1:47:18.320 --> 1:47:21.599 think you're You're both so wonderful and funny and delightful 1:47:22.000 --> 1:47:25.680 and your recaps like it feels like I'm, you know, 1:47:25.800 --> 1:47:28.080 sitting with a pal just listening to the best stories. 1:47:28.320 --> 1:47:32.080 I can't believe. Yeah, well Bury the lead that you 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:33.800 like the pod till the very end. 1:47:34.680 --> 1:47:38.080 Way, are there any questions we haven't asked that you were, 1:47:38.160 --> 1:47:39.320 Like I thought they would ask me this. 1:47:39.720 --> 1:47:44.640 Oh no, because you did mention craft service. Like I 1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:46.960 was like, are they going to ask about like a 1:47:47.000 --> 1:47:47.679 craft service? 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:50.120 Do you to call it your favorite craft service? Now, well, 1:47:50.160 --> 1:47:51.000 I did know that you're. 1:47:51.000 --> 1:47:52.240 Now that I mentioned that, Like, I didn't come up 1:47:52.280 --> 1:47:54.120 with a great answer, but I think sometimes you get 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:56.200 a Christmas sandwich on craft like craft service, and they 1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:58.360 make it it's like a like a chicken and cranberry 1:47:58.360 --> 1:47:59.479 sauce sandwich that I. 1:47:59.600 --> 1:48:01.240 Only have ever had a craft service. 1:48:01.280 --> 1:48:05.080 Trucks and candy and the crime of the pandemic for 1:48:05.320 --> 1:48:10.880 me anyway, the worst thing about the COVID pandemic. But 1:48:10.960 --> 1:48:14.320 the worst thing was honestly that you have to now 1:48:14.520 --> 1:48:16.840 when you get craft services, you can't like root around 1:48:17.040 --> 1:48:19.680 in this stuff and like yeah put like seven like 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:22.360 sour Patch kids packets in your pocket without shame. 1:48:22.479 --> 1:48:24.840 Like now you have to just like ask the person 1:48:25.000 --> 1:48:25.800 for whatever you want. 1:48:25.880 --> 1:48:29.479 And I do know it really it really cuts down 1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:32.439 on binging really, like I'm always like I can't just 1:48:32.479 --> 1:48:34.280 take a bunch of rice Chrispy Trees. Now, I'm like 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:36.840 one rice Chrispy Tree please, like a regular person. 1:48:37.120 --> 1:48:40.120 I'll take one and six for my ten for my fins. 1:48:40.800 --> 1:48:44.760 But it's a yeah, yeah, the candy. I read the 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:45.719 candy all. 1:48:45.680 --> 1:48:48.679 Right, candy is perfect, not messy, gives you a little 1:48:48.800 --> 1:48:49.439 rus sandwich. 1:48:50.200 --> 1:48:52.800 Well, Thanksgiving sandwich. I always think of it too, like 1:48:52.920 --> 1:48:56.040 all the things from the little Holidays. She's Canada sandwich. 1:48:56.360 --> 1:48:57.160 Are you Canada? 1:48:57.600 --> 1:49:00.320 Right in Canada? And I bet that's what I mean. 1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:04.400 We do have Thanksgiving, but it's not as a you know, dominant. 1:49:04.160 --> 1:49:07.280 Yeah, yeah, I can't believe you. Listen, that's like. 1:49:08.760 --> 1:49:10.960 You kind of have a big pod. You got a 1:49:11.040 --> 1:49:14.400 bit You're like, you're not you're you're not a tiny 1:49:14.479 --> 1:49:14.920 deal here. 1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:18.840 Yeah, no, I'm I'm just so so delighted to be 1:49:18.920 --> 1:49:21.720 here and I can't wait to watch I might maybe 1:49:21.760 --> 1:49:23.800 I'll start watching the OC because I want to. 1:49:24.000 --> 1:49:25.760 I have it on DVR, so if I come over 1:49:25.840 --> 1:49:28.240 on Friday, we'll watch Kathleen's episode. 1:49:27.920 --> 1:49:28.400 Only that's what. 1:49:28.479 --> 1:49:30.880 Well, yeah, we're gonna do. We're gonna get high on 1:49:31.000 --> 1:49:32.559 Friday's Friday. 1:49:32.880 --> 1:49:34.879 We're getting amazing, amazing. 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:36.880 The one little tiny tidbit I'll leave you with too, 1:49:36.920 --> 1:49:39.599 with Organized Crime is that the most fun thing about 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:42.519 it is that I had to google how to carry 1:49:42.560 --> 1:49:45.760 a motorcycle helmet because my character, we do not see 1:49:45.760 --> 1:49:49.080 a bike, but she carries a helmet wherever she goes. 1:49:49.320 --> 1:49:53.240 Oh yeah, just a lot of polling people I know 1:49:53.360 --> 1:49:56.680 who I've ever seen anywhere near a motorcycle asking them 1:49:56.760 --> 1:49:56.960 like do. 1:49:57.040 --> 1:49:58.640 I hold it like a baby? Do I hold it 1:49:58.720 --> 1:49:59.559 in my one hand? 1:50:00.080 --> 1:50:02.360 Yeah? Do I hip it like under one arm? 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:02.760 Like? 1:50:02.920 --> 1:50:05.800 What is the answer? That's a great wow? What the 1:50:05.880 --> 1:50:06.639 internet say? 1:50:07.200 --> 1:50:10.880 Okay, Well, a different thing than the director at Tess Malone, 1:50:10.920 --> 1:50:13.160 who when I came in with what I had from 1:50:13.400 --> 1:50:16.400 you know, my research, which was one hand casual, like 1:50:16.479 --> 1:50:17.240 it's not even there. 1:50:18.120 --> 1:50:20.760 She was like, I ride a bike. I slipped my 1:50:20.880 --> 1:50:23.400 hand through the chin strap and let it dangle in 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:27.680 the elbow and I did that. Wow, you know, we're 1:50:27.680 --> 1:50:29.120 going to see it, guys, We'll see if it works. 1:50:29.160 --> 1:50:30.160 Tune in tomorrow. 1:50:32.280 --> 1:50:34.360 Check our stories. We're gonna have a story up that's 1:50:34.439 --> 1:50:36.360 like this didn't track for me. 1:50:36.600 --> 1:50:37.280 Yeah, just kidding. 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:44.360 It's gonna be amazing. Wow. She is fun. It was 1:50:44.600 --> 1:50:46.479 very fun. And I mean the fact that she's a 1:50:46.560 --> 1:50:50.519 listener made this even more sweet. I for a little 1:50:51.160 --> 1:50:55.240 please please, I turned red. So after we talked to her. 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:58.000 Just a few days later, I did go to a 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:03.120 bagel hang and I provided the bagels. I went to Bells, 1:51:03.520 --> 1:51:07.120 but it was a bagel hang at our friend Robbie's apartment, 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:13.200 which is gorgeous and it overlooks the Fountain, the Echo Park, 1:51:13.520 --> 1:51:16.360 Fountain Lake, you know what I mean. It was just 1:51:16.640 --> 1:51:18.360 it was one of those days where I was like, wow, 1:51:18.439 --> 1:51:20.680 I'm an adult. Look at all these spreads. There was 1:51:20.800 --> 1:51:23.640 caviare you know. I was like, look at this whitefish, 1:51:24.080 --> 1:51:27.880 little cut up berries. I mean, it was really like, I, 1:51:28.640 --> 1:51:30.679 you know, frecks. When she was at our New York show, 1:51:30.760 --> 1:51:32.880 kept I loved her outfit. She kept going, this is 1:51:32.920 --> 1:51:35.479 my final form. This is my final form. 1:51:35.520 --> 1:51:35.840 That's why. 1:51:36.120 --> 1:51:38.040 That's how I felt that the bagel hang like the 1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:41.479 sun was shining. The convo was nice, everyone looked cute, 1:51:41.520 --> 1:51:43.800 and I was like, this is final form. Yeah, this 1:51:44.120 --> 1:51:47.240 is how I would like to be living for my future. 1:51:47.320 --> 1:51:50.000 But hopefully one day I can host and not live in. 1:51:50.680 --> 1:51:52.160 I don't know a pig sty. 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:55.240 You will. It's not a pig sty. It's just small. 1:51:56.439 --> 1:51:58.080 I know it's a nightmare. I need to get out 1:51:58.080 --> 1:52:02.680 of here. I'm truly having existential nightmares. But I'm just 1:52:02.760 --> 1:52:05.080 gonna I'm gonna try to be patient. I'm gonna be patient. 1:52:05.600 --> 1:52:07.720 Yeah. Well, I'm happy to go apartment hunting with you. 1:52:07.840 --> 1:52:08.840 We can find you something else. 1:52:08.960 --> 1:52:11.800 Well, no, if i'm leaving, I'm out of here. I'm 1:52:11.880 --> 1:52:14.040 out of LA. So it's like I'm staying in this 1:52:14.160 --> 1:52:17.320 hell hole room or I'm out of here. You can 1:52:17.400 --> 1:52:20.479 empty my garage as I fucking leave. That's what's gonna happen. 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:26.120 You can donate the art. Okay, now we should talk 1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:29.479 about this. Teachers, leave your kids alone. Pink Floyd was 1:52:29.560 --> 1:52:32.320 right this whole time. Leave them alone, Leave those kids 1:52:32.360 --> 1:52:38.720 alone alone. Yeah, I mean obviously. Like also, if you're 1:52:38.760 --> 1:52:41.920 a young girl, that's like, Ooh, this old man, I'm special. 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:43.439 You're not special. He's a pervert. 1:52:43.920 --> 1:52:46.960 Well yeah, that's I mean, that's why I really don't 1:52:47.080 --> 1:52:50.439 like a lot of media that like glorifies like the 1:52:50.560 --> 1:52:53.720 sexy relationship between teachers and students or whatever, you know, 1:52:54.000 --> 1:52:56.760 like that show a Teacher came out on Hulu, which 1:52:56.760 --> 1:52:58.600 a lot of people corrected me and said, actually that 1:52:58.720 --> 1:53:01.320 really shows both sides, like what it psychologically did to 1:53:01.400 --> 1:53:01.679 the boy. 1:53:01.840 --> 1:53:03.080 But blah blah blah. 1:53:03.400 --> 1:53:07.200 But yeah, I think in the past media has really 1:53:07.320 --> 1:53:10.479 like sensationalized, like the hot for teacher thing and all that. 1:53:10.800 --> 1:53:15.040 So it's definitely fucked up. And you just this was 1:53:15.080 --> 1:53:18.680 a great episode in terms of just showing all of 1:53:18.760 --> 1:53:22.679 the various outcomes, like one girl can't be with anybody 1:53:22.680 --> 1:53:24.880 because she doesn't trust, but another girl is only with 1:53:25.000 --> 1:53:27.800 bad guys, and then you know, Evelyn's got her own 1:53:27.800 --> 1:53:31.200 shit going on. So it feels like it just shows 1:53:31.240 --> 1:53:35.080 you how many different like paths can lead out from 1:53:35.360 --> 1:53:36.680 like an abusive relationship. 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:39.600 And we always talk about like we all judge the symptoms, 1:53:39.840 --> 1:53:42.760 but not what caused all these behaviors. 1:53:42.840 --> 1:53:44.719 It's like, oh, why don't you have your life together? 1:53:44.800 --> 1:53:46.519 And it's like, I don't know, because my teacher rape me. 1:53:46.560 --> 1:53:46.920 How about that? 1:53:47.160 --> 1:53:47.320 You know. 1:53:47.640 --> 1:53:53.200 It's like we are so quick to judge people and 1:53:53.280 --> 1:53:55.400 their choices when they didn't really have much of a 1:53:55.520 --> 1:53:57.400 choice because they were surrounded by predators. 1:53:58.000 --> 1:53:59.320 Yeah uh. 1:53:59.400 --> 1:54:03.120 And if a teacher is just rubbing your shoulders, tell 1:54:03.200 --> 1:54:05.720 on that person, like you know, because a lot of 1:54:05.760 --> 1:54:08.120 this stuff in the real life case and even we've 1:54:08.160 --> 1:54:10.000 talked about it before where it's like, oh, yeah, that 1:54:10.120 --> 1:54:12.680 teacher was touchy, or that teacher had after school or 1:54:12.720 --> 1:54:15.400 that teacher did that, and it's like, you know, we're 1:54:15.479 --> 1:54:16.760 taught to be like, what, it's not that big of 1:54:16.800 --> 1:54:18.800 a deal should this person lose their job for a 1:54:18.880 --> 1:54:19.519 shoulder rub? 1:54:19.600 --> 1:54:21.600 And it's like that's where it starts. It's never just 1:54:21.680 --> 1:54:27.120 a shoulder rub, yeah, yeah, for sure, or like alert, yeah, 1:54:27.240 --> 1:54:28.200 you hear about it. 1:54:29.160 --> 1:54:31.400 I mean, it's like we've heard about like predators in 1:54:31.439 --> 1:54:33.600 the comedy world forever, and it's like nobody really says 1:54:33.640 --> 1:54:36.680 anything until like, you know, something really bad happens or 1:54:36.680 --> 1:54:38.800 someone else or like an actual victim comes forward. 1:54:39.120 --> 1:54:41.040 Well, and then people are still making jokes. 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:45.120 I mean we there's one comic everyone talks about out 1:54:45.160 --> 1:54:48.800 loud in person on social media and nobody cares. People 1:54:48.880 --> 1:54:51.080 make jokes about it, and it's like, yeah, he's truly 1:54:51.120 --> 1:54:54.840 an abuser from But the thing is comedians like will 1:54:54.920 --> 1:54:58.480 excuse full on Bill Cosby rapists, so like, of course 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:02.480 they're gonna also excuse for people that are harassing the 1:55:02.520 --> 1:55:04.960 waitresses too, you know what I mean. It's like they 1:55:05.000 --> 1:55:07.800 don't care about the hardcore rape, how are they going 1:55:07.840 --> 1:55:09.520 to care about the touching rapes? 1:55:09.880 --> 1:55:15.960 Right right right? But I just there, God, I just 1:55:16.120 --> 1:55:17.040 hate so many people. 1:55:17.400 --> 1:55:18.880 But I said this saying this is the thing of 1:55:18.960 --> 1:55:20.560 like you don't know what people are going through in 1:55:20.720 --> 1:55:25.480 terms of like decisions. Someone reposted my rules Clark Jones 1:55:25.520 --> 1:55:28.920 did about Amy Sedaris. It's like from a magazine and 1:55:29.040 --> 1:55:31.840 it's all her little rules and they're really cute. But 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:36.200 one of them is assume everyone is grieving, and I like, yeah, 1:55:36.920 --> 1:55:39.440 just never know what anybody is going through on a 1:55:39.560 --> 1:55:42.000 day to day. So true, not all of them are 1:55:42.360 --> 1:55:47.240 you know that wild, Some are, some are some are 1:55:47.960 --> 1:55:50.400 some are cute, like learn how to properly mail a box. 1:55:51.280 --> 1:55:55.920 I'm obsessed with Amy Sidaris. I'll send you this ones, Yes, 1:55:56.040 --> 1:55:56.320 send me. 1:55:56.520 --> 1:55:58.800 I had an article an interview with her posted up 1:55:58.800 --> 1:56:00.600 in my kitchen all the whole time I lived in 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:04.040 New York because one of them was like they asked 1:56:04.080 --> 1:56:06.440 her a question like would you rather wear pantyhose all 1:56:06.480 --> 1:56:08.720 the time or constantly have the sound of flip flops 1:56:08.760 --> 1:56:09.240 following you? 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:12.320 And I think she chose the flip flops. I am too, 1:56:12.360 --> 1:56:15.480 because that you could get used to. Yeah, just those 1:56:15.480 --> 1:56:17.800 are my flip flops that follow me. Well, I don't 1:56:17.840 --> 1:56:21.000 want to be in tights. I'm just thinking about summer 1:56:21.280 --> 1:56:24.640 in LA and I don't want it. I don't want 1:56:24.680 --> 1:56:27.200 it one bit. But somemer don't just order a martini, 1:56:27.320 --> 1:56:31.520 be specific faka jin straight rock, solim a twist. 1:56:31.760 --> 1:56:33.040 It's cute. Yeah. 1:56:33.560 --> 1:56:35.480 Well, also I like this find a new ice breaker 1:56:35.520 --> 1:56:37.280 and not everyone wants to answer what do you do 1:56:37.480 --> 1:56:39.360 or what are you working on? Assume maybe they don't 1:56:39.400 --> 1:56:43.920 do anything and aren't working And I like, well, we 1:56:44.080 --> 1:56:45.880 love to say, like, what are you watching on TV? 1:56:46.040 --> 1:56:46.240 Right now? 1:56:46.280 --> 1:56:48.240 Because we both love TV. We ask people a lot 1:56:48.280 --> 1:56:51.040 of TV questions. Are you are you into Bravo? 1:56:51.720 --> 1:56:51.920 Yeah? 1:56:51.960 --> 1:56:54.440 Are you a Bravo head? But when I see people 1:56:54.480 --> 1:56:55.280 we need them. 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:58.800 There needs to be a word like Mariah Carey the Lambs, 1:56:58.880 --> 1:56:59.960 like who are the Bravo head? 1:57:00.520 --> 1:57:00.960 What is it? 1:57:01.120 --> 1:57:01.320 Yeah? 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:05.280 We need a fun little word. But sometimes I do 1:57:05.440 --> 1:57:06.880 tell people instead of like what do you do? 1:57:07.000 --> 1:57:09.120 I go what do you do for money? Because then 1:57:09.160 --> 1:57:14.040 it's more specific. Oh yeah, because even if you yeah, yeah, 1:57:14.920 --> 1:57:16.360 I like to do yes. I don't know if that's 1:57:16.440 --> 1:57:17.720 too inappropriate, but that's. 1:57:17.560 --> 1:57:20.879 Why when I lived in Italy, they were like Americans 1:57:20.920 --> 1:57:22.320 always ask people what do you do for work? 1:57:22.400 --> 1:57:24.880 No one ever asks that here, Like no, so what 1:57:24.960 --> 1:57:25.600 do they ask there? 1:57:25.720 --> 1:57:27.640 That's so because here that's what I found out in 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:31.040 Finland like here in the States, like our value is 1:57:31.120 --> 1:57:34.280 our job, Like you are nothing outside of your job, 1:57:34.400 --> 1:57:36.800 and people decide how they're going to treat you depending 1:57:36.920 --> 1:57:40.320 on your job. Yeah, and so that's why maybe they 1:57:40.320 --> 1:57:45.760 don't ask unless capitalists driven nations, Yeah, what do people do? 1:57:45.840 --> 1:57:48.520 In Italy? What are you eating? What pasta shape did 1:57:48.560 --> 1:57:48.840 you eat? 1:57:48.960 --> 1:57:49.200 Yeah? 1:57:49.280 --> 1:57:52.280 No, they're definitely like like where are you from? Oh, 1:57:52.440 --> 1:57:55.720 like places you've traveled? Like just different questions that are 1:57:55.760 --> 1:57:57.760 not like I remember being like what do you do? 1:57:57.800 --> 1:57:58.680 And they'd be like what do you mean? 1:57:58.720 --> 1:57:59.080 What do I do. 1:57:59.160 --> 1:58:00.920 I'd be like, for work, can they be like, I mean, 1:58:00.960 --> 1:58:03.680 I'm a cop, but who cares? Like, Like, you know, 1:58:04.120 --> 1:58:05.840 I had two friends that were cops there, but different 1:58:05.920 --> 1:58:09.080 kinds of cops. And I don't think their cops kill 1:58:09.120 --> 1:58:11.640 people there because they're very chill. My friend that was 1:58:11.680 --> 1:58:13.360 a cop took six weeks off of work because he 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:17.760 had a fever quote unquote. But you know, it's a 1:58:17.800 --> 1:58:19.680 good time over there. No one's talking about work and 1:58:19.760 --> 1:58:21.800 no one's really doing any But I think also their 1:58:21.880 --> 1:58:22.720 economies in crisis. 1:58:22.760 --> 1:58:25.480 So who's to say. Let's get into what would Sister 1:58:25.560 --> 1:58:25.920 PEG do. 1:58:26.480 --> 1:58:28.960 This is our weekly segment where we give you guys 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:33.640 an article, a podcast, an organization to flesh out a 1:58:33.640 --> 1:58:35.000 little bit more of what we talked about on the 1:58:35.080 --> 1:58:37.960 episode today. And I wanted to point you guys to 1:58:38.040 --> 1:58:41.560 an article today at the Innocent Lives Foundation's website called 1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:44.240 sexual Misconduct in the Classroom Everything you need to know, 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:46.560 And it's just a lot of information about the types 1:58:46.600 --> 1:58:48.760 of environments that create abuse in the classroom, how a 1:58:48.800 --> 1:58:51.680 predator operates, how to prevent abuse from happening in the future. 1:58:51.760 --> 1:58:55.080 So if you have, like you know, kids or you're 1:58:55.200 --> 1:58:57.680 young and you're you're still in a classroom, check it 1:58:57.720 --> 1:59:01.280 out and just like, have your ears perked up, f 1:59:01.280 --> 1:59:05.720 an eyes perked up for abusers because we literally when 1:59:05.720 --> 1:59:07.200 I was looking for what would Sister Peg do, I 1:59:07.320 --> 1:59:09.280 was like googling resources for this, and it was like 1:59:09.600 --> 1:59:12.760 just article after article of teachers getting busted having sex 1:59:12.800 --> 1:59:14.760 with students or raping students, you know what I mean. 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:16.400 Like it was horrible. 1:59:16.480 --> 1:59:19.000 So I was like, this is obviously an ongoing problem. 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:22.280 So there are also resources for victims who have been 1:59:22.640 --> 1:59:25.120 abused by an educator. 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