1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: One in four our new hours. The iHeartRadio podcast is 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: available at the iHeartRadio app and also KFI Am sixty 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: dot com. In about fifteen minutes, you will hear another keyword. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: That's what you need to go and enter at the 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: website to a chance to win a thousand dollars from kfive. 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Periodically we zero in on a case of somebody who's 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: about to be paroled after committing a terrible murder, and 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: this one is Damien Matthew Guerrero. He was convicted in 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight for fatally shooting an eighteen year 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: old woman by the name of Kelly Bullwinkle in a 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: Redlands orange grove that happened in September of two thousand 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: and three. This is not the first time he's been 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: up for parole. He was not under age at the 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: crime at the time of the crime. But again it's 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: because it looks like he reached some sort of a 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: plea deal because the jury, the jury came close to 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: convictim of Mark two thousand and five, but deadlocked on 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: first degree murder eleven to one. Yeah, one idiot hung 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: up the jury, so Guerrero eventually pled guilty to second 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: degree murder with an enhancement for using a gun. He 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: got fifteen years to life, which means he's up for 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: all every few years and every few areas apparently so. 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: So the family and friends have had to fight this, 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: and Kelly's mother was doing that for a while, but 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: unfortunately she passed away in twenty fourteen at the age 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: of fifty four, thes Diana Bulwinkle. So it's been and 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: she was a petty officer in the US Coast Guard. 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: So we're now going to talk to friends who have 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: taken up the cause to try to deny this man 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: parole once again. And our guest is Rob McDermott. Rob, 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: how are you I I'm doing real good. John Ken, 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: thank you for having us on and calling attention to this. 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: This was a particularly brutal murder of Kelly. Can you 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: tell our listeners as best you understand ended what happened? Absolutely, basically, 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Damien and Kinsey Nordman, the two of them had a friendship. 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: They basically you've got into a friend relationship with Kelly. 37 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: She really didn't fit in, She didn't know a lot 38 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: of people out here. She put her trust in the 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: two of them, and they betrayed that trust as obviously, 40 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: you know, they developed a degree of i want to say, 41 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: some kind of a pseudo Goth dark side, which wasn't true. 42 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: None of that was actually, you know, factual in any way, 43 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: and they prayed on her. Um they acted like they 44 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: were her friends. And the end game, according to a 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: lot of friends and a lot of people that knew 46 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: that dynamic, their goal was to eventually harm her and 47 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: do something to her, and obviously they did. That's pretty 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: much how it came about. So they were all at 49 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: the same age back then. They all were in the 50 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: same they were all in the same age group. They 51 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: were all peripheral friends of a real Goth group there 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with this. They there was 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: a TV special that actually portrayed Damien as some kind 54 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: of a Goth Bengali, when in reality he was just 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: a nerd hanger on that the real Goth culture hated. 56 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: His nickname was waffl Okay. He had. He wasn't anything 57 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: that he was portrayed, and basically that fiction, we believe, 58 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: helped lead to his parole being granted the first time 59 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: we fought this back in twenty nineteen. Fortunately, our letter 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: writing and the attention that was put towards it got 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Governor Knewsom to actually step forward personally and he denied 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: that parole, and fortunately the Parole Board since then have 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: been denying it. But this guy keeps coming up year 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: after year. Instead of spaces, let's talk about the crime itself. 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: So Damian Guerrera and his friend Kinsey Nordman, yes, they're 66 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: the ones who killed Kelly bow Well. What they did 67 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: was they dug a grave the day before up the 68 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: end live Oat Canyon, which is a remote area here 69 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: in Redlands. They tricked her into coming along with them 70 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: as some kind of an adventure. They both knew that 71 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: she had a fear of being buried alive. This was 72 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: something she'd talked about more than once, and obviously she 73 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: shared it with her supposed intimate friends. They took her 74 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: up into the canyon, they scared her, made a bunch 75 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: of threats to her, and they shot her multiple times 76 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: in the head. Then they put her in the shallow 77 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: grave they dug. They covered it up with a couch 78 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: and garbage, and they took her maza to the Ontario 79 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: Mills Mall. They went to dinner and a movie. Conveniently enough, 80 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: they were asked about the crime and asked about any 81 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: kind of disappearance. These two actually went out talked to 82 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: Kelly's mom, Anibalwinkle, and want of attending candlelight visuals and 83 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: handing out flyers as if they were actually concerned, all 84 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: the while knowing what they had done. About a month later, 85 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: three paintball players up in the canyon it's a common spot, 86 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: smelled something that just wasn't right. They moved the couch 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: because their understanding they were going to use it as 88 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: kind of a fort for their game, and they found 89 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: the decomposed body that had been compromised by animals in 90 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: the area. Oh God, the animals dug it up. Well, 91 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: that's the understanding. I got to take a look at 92 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: some of the records and some of the information that 93 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: the La Times dug up during Kinsey's follow up trial, 94 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: and I talked to some of the folks that were 95 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: up there. Redlands is a small community. It's very tight, 96 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: and the details weren't necessarily hidden. And the challenge that 97 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: this is they've tried to make it seem as if 98 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: it was some kind of an accident, and Damien, of course, 99 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: has tried to blame Nordman when it's absolutely not true. 100 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: He had a gun that he purchased, he loaded the 101 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: gun with the intent of going up there to use it. 102 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: There's no there is no, absolute, no way that he 103 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: was in any way a follower of Nordman or some 104 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of a puppet in her control. It was clearly 105 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: both of them. They were entrenched in Natural Born Killers, 106 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: the movie that was actually put out, you know, by 107 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: Ridley Scott and his group, and they you know, they 108 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: even had and bought matching snake rings, just like the 109 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: two main characters in the movie. So they had no remorse. 110 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: This was planned out, and that that girl, an eighteen 111 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: year old girl who trusted these people, spent the last 112 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: three to four seconds of her life absolutely terrified, and 113 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: they killed her and went out to a movie. And 114 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: what would entitle him to Lea was considered a youth 115 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: offender because he was nineteen, meaning paroles exactly have to 116 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: assess how much Guerrero is matured during his time in prison. 117 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: All right, but the crime itself, especially vicious, taking turns, 118 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: shooting her in the head and burying her in a 119 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: grave that pre Dug yeah, pre Doug grave. So there's 120 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: that's why I even Knewsome denied him paroles. This is premeditated. 121 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: So what what what did these these idiots on the 122 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: parole board? What is it they saw in him? Basically, 123 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: they didn't read through the case file, um, the cover 124 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: letters that are in there. These parole beer the way 125 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: I understand it, the parole boards do deal with a 126 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: lot of these different cases, and they literally just scanned it. 127 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, his whole thing, as far as I'm reformed, well, 128 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: he's taken some mail order courses and gotten a couple 129 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: of degrees while he's been in prison, and he has 130 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: tried to paint it forward that you know, he's a 131 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: good guy, he's done everything right. And couple that with 132 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: the fact that it was a second degree murder. These 133 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: people just didn't dig deep enough after Gavin Newsom. You know, 134 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: he really went after him. I mean, you know there 135 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: was a part where you know, we were surprised. To 136 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: be honest, I mean, he usually any governor doesn't really 137 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: step in, but he read through it, and his own 138 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: opinion was the parole board did not dig deep enough 139 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: because he's turned three pages. All of a sudden, you 140 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: don't see what a good guy this killer is. You 141 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: suddenly learned what he did, all right, so his parole 142 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: hearing is for January. Well, yea, yeah, right, what do 143 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: you harm I do? Well? We want people to go 144 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: to our change dot org site. It has all the 145 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: contact information. All they have to do is UM type 146 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: in Kelly Bullwinkle or Damian Guerrero. It automatically comes up 147 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: on the search UM. It's very basic as far as that. 148 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: The the actual UURL is very long. When we got it, 149 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: we put it up originally twenty eighteen and change it 150 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: out or won't let us change the UURL now, So 151 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: if they just type in those keys words, they'll have it. 152 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: We've been in contact with Jacqueline Rodriguez, the Public Affairs 153 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Office Sir over at the District Attorney in San Bernadino. 154 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: She's given us his current inmate number. All that information 155 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: has actually on the change dot org site. And we 156 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: definitely want anybody and everybody, anybody from California, anybody you 157 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: don't have to be a Ridlin's resident, can write in 158 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: all the contact information to the Governor's office and to 159 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: the parole board. Is there type in the keywords on Google. 160 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: You guys will everybody out there and your listeners will 161 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: learn all about what these people did to this girl. 162 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: All right, Rob, thank you so much for coming on, 163 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: and please keep us updated. We absolutely will. And John 164 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: and Kenn thank you very much for helping us in this. 165 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: All right, We'll keep on, Rob McDermott on to try 166 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: to stop the parole of a killer named Damian Guerrero, 167 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: who murdered Kelly Bubwinkle almost twenty years ago, a young woman. 168 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: She was just eighteen years old and horribly murdered by 169 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: two men, one of them looking again to get out 170 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: of prison with another parole hearing at the end of 171 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: the month. The keyword is next, John and Ken caf 172 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: I am six forty live everywhere the iHeartRadio app Well. 173 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: For too long we were recovering stories involving little boys 174 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: that were murdered, often at the hands of their mother 175 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: and some kind of living boyfriend. One case was the 176 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: actual parents. The one that's in the news today is 177 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: because the trial is started. Back in twenty eighteen, a 178 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: little ten year old boy by the name of Anthony 179 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: Avolovs was murdered in Lancaster. The killers and I'm already 180 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: going with guilt. Heather Maxine Baron, his mother and her 181 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: boyfriend Kareem Ernesto Leiva. The trial started today. Even though 182 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: this story is almost five years old. Here's one thing. 183 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: In May of twenty twenty one, the Los Angeles County 184 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: DA's office reverse course and announced it no longer seek 185 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: the death penalty against the pair. I wonder who was 186 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: in that office then? Who was the DA? Yeah, who 187 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: took over George Gascogne. Of course they should be on 188 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: death row. Not that we execute anybody anyway, but they 189 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: should be on death row fearing it. Plus, I think 190 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: if you get on death row, you can't get parole. Now. 191 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Even though they're saying the maximum life of prison without 192 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: the possibility prole of convicting, I just don't believe that 193 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: they find a way around that every time. So if 194 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: you forgot what they did, this is terrible. They slammed 195 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: him onto the bedroom floor, They whipped him with a 196 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: belt and cord, They poured hot sauce into his mouth, 197 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't let him use the bathroom. I can 198 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: give you what came out of court today in opening statements. 199 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: This Anthony was forced to kneel on uncooked dry rice 200 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: on on a concrete floor every day for so long 201 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: he would often bleed on the rice. The damage to 202 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: his knees was the worst one child of his expert 203 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: had ever seen. While he was kneeling a vacuum cord, 204 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: we used to strike him repeatedly all over the body. 205 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: He was forced to hold weights, books, or bricks over 206 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: his head for extended periods of time. Food and water 207 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: often withheld. Other times he would be force fed peanut 208 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: butter and hot sauce. He'd be locked in his room 209 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: with no bathroom access. His face was rubbed in a 210 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: urine soaked carpet between the two of them, Baron and Lava. 211 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know this. They had twelve children, though not 212 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: all of them lived in this household twelve. The kids 213 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: were sometimes forced to fight each other, including choke holds 214 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: that left them gasping for breath. But now I want 215 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: to get to the worst part. Anthony graduated from fourth 216 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: grade on June seven, twenty eighteen. He was subject to 217 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: abuse and torture every single day for two consecutive weeks, 218 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: say prosecutors. On June eighteenth, one of the children reported 219 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: seeing Lava pinning Anthony by the neck against the wall. 220 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: He let go and Anthony's body appearing lifeless, fell to 221 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: the floor. The impact made a loud noise. They tried 222 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: to revive him, but he remained unconscious. The prosecutors said 223 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: that Anthony was left unmoving on the floor for two 224 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: days before they called police. Can you imagine that. An 225 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: EMT who responded to the home said that he had 226 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: no pulse, He had multiple abrasions, cigarette burns, and was 227 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: so malnourished his ribs were visible through his skin. He 228 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: was rushed to a hospital and full cardiac arrest. They 229 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: were able to restore a pulse. He was then airlifted 230 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: to another hospital, but pronounced dead on June twenty first, 231 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. He was so severely dehydrated his kidneys had 232 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: shut down. He had no chance of recovery. Is this 233 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: He would have had to been on dialysis even if 234 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: he recovered. This is the most extreme violent psychotic behavior. 235 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I just never read about boys psycho sick people. 236 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: How did they find each other and they picked on him? 237 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: He was That happened sometimes, particularly with the male figure, 238 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: there's just one usual male child that's not their biological 239 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: own that they just act out on. And the other 240 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: part you may have forgotten the County child welfare officials 241 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: had gotten dozens of reports for years from twenty thirteen 242 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen, he was taken from the house for 243 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: several months and he was always returned as long as 244 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: everybody got in home counseling. Yeah, they went to parenting classes. 245 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: To remember that parenting classes, right, counseling, which is one 246 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: of the great scams of our time. Counseling. This is 247 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: when we concluded that they unbelievably just kept sighting with 248 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: the parents and tried to keep quote the family together 249 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: at all costs. Yeah, and these these these welfare child 250 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: welfare employees, what kind of sickness do they have? They 251 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: knew about all this? Do you want to know what 252 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the defense said today? The defense, Yeah, they will demonstrate 253 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt that their client intended to kill Anthony. See, 254 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: they can't get out of the fact that he died 255 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: in the home and that adults probably did this to him. 256 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: But they're trying to make the case they did not 257 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: intentionally kill him. This I don't know those defense attorneys 258 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: on a die in hell. I mean, now he's raising 259 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: inconsistencies about medical evidence and the actual cause of death. 260 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: What they're gonna say the kid took drugs and killed himself. 261 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: They're gonna try to say no attorney should take even 262 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: taking on this case seriously, that this couple should be abandoned. Yeah, 263 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: he left a rot somewhere. Yeah, I'll tell the judge no, 264 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: and you can go sanction me and I'll go get 265 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: another line of work. I'm not doing this. This is 266 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: too disgusting. It's a good thing or a bad thing. 267 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: But this is a bench trial, so there's no jury. 268 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: It's a judge who that's probably a good thing. Generally, 269 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: it probably is. Oh, they were doing their bed. What 270 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: was the last day? Had twelve kids? I mean, what 271 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: was the last case we had? You don't know what 272 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: he did to them? That he uh, that murderer. It 273 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: was an eleven to one jury verdict. Who was who 274 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: was the one guy or the one woman who wouldn't 275 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: convict him? What? I think that a case. The last 276 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: case we had to stop him from getting on parole 277 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: was Guerrero. The one of the interviews. Oh, the one 278 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: we just did. I took him in some case from 279 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. No, No, the one we just did. 280 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: It was the reason that he Yes, they did deadlock 281 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: with eleven to one. And that's why this murder of 282 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: Kelly Bullwinkle, that's why he got second degree murder. He 283 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: pleaded to a chart deal and he's got a chance 284 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: for parole. It was first degree murder and a life sentence. 285 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: You have no chance for parole. I hate the jury system. 286 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely ridiculous. I think this trial should 287 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: be over pretty quickly. Honestly, in these two should be given. 288 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: I wish they were executed, but yeah, we just have 289 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: to put him in prison for a long time. John 290 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: and Ken KF I am six forty live everywhere the 291 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio APPI reminder that the Moistline calls. He can 292 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: be left either using the iHeart Radio app, the microphone 293 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: icon or calling the tell free number one eight seven 294 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: seven Moist eighty six twenty seven seven six six four 295 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: seven eight eight six the Moistline now heard during this 296 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: hour on Friday, just two days away. Well, we got 297 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: Ukraine news, but it's not of the usual kind. Obviously, 298 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: there's still a war going on with Russia, and we 299 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: talked yesterday at this time about that being one of 300 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: the reasons John that the doomsday clock was moved closer 301 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: to midnight. It's now only ninety seconds away. I heard 302 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: another tick before. Well, it was from the earthquake overnight, right, yeah, yes, 303 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: it moved a little bit closer because of the Malibu earthquake. 304 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: That's right, it was one second closer. That's another chance 305 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: at armageddon. Right. If that we get the really big 306 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: one and we just split off from the country and 307 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: float out to sea, we could all die. That's what 308 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: California deserves. They then we would be our own country. Literally. Yeah. 309 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: Here's the story on Ukraine. There's two of them. It's 310 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: been a problem in that country for quite a while. Corruption. 311 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: The deputy head of Ukraine's presidential office has quit, Carolo 312 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: toy Mashenko. You have to read these names. They the 313 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: Eastern European nonsense. To me, it's like consonant mush why 314 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: lots of wise? Yeah, No, Eastern Europeans don't believe in 315 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: vowels Timoshenko. Also quitting was the deputy Defense Minister via 316 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: chez Law chapalovof Chapovaloff. The reason that they quit is 317 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: that they've been involved in well embezzling funds, apparently Western 318 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: allies of pouring billions of dollars into Ukraine. And clearly 319 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: when that kind of aid comes, there are unscrupulous government bureaucrats, 320 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: so we'll get their hands on it. You're being redundant. 321 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: Let us strapped these guys to a missile and shoot 322 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: them to Moscow. Tymoshenko is under investigation relating to his 323 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: personal use of luxury cars. He also has links last 324 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: September to the embezzlement of humanitarian aid worth within seven 325 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: million dollars. He stole the humanitarian aid seven million, seven million? 326 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: What was that meant for food and blankets? And helt 327 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: that offshore banks? What did he do with that? Okay? Oh, 328 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: Ukraine is horrifically corrupt for decades ever since it's split 329 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: off from the Soviet Union. The same thing happened in 330 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: like Afghanistan and around. You know, the reason the reason 331 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: we're supporting this war is to try to keep Russia 332 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: from rolling into the rest of Europe. It's not. It's 333 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: not because the Ukrainian government has been worth saving. I mean, 334 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: they've got they've got this comedian now who's been acting 335 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: as a good leader. But the history of yeah Zelenski 336 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: and who knows about him? Maybe we'll find that certain 337 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: people think he's corrupted but now Lozinsky was relieved of 338 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: his duties. He was receiving a four hundred thousand dollars 339 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: bribe for helping to fix contracts related to restoring infrastructure 340 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: facilities which have been battered by Russian missiles. So Zolenski 341 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: spoke to the nation and said, I want to be clear, 342 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: there'll be no return to what used to be in 343 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: the past when it comes to corruption. You could say 344 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: that Ukraine wants to be part of the EU, countries 345 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: must meet a deep held host of economic and political conditions, 346 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: including a commitment to the rule of law and other Democrats. 347 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: That's why the Biden family was in there, That's why 348 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: Trump was in there. It was it was a free 349 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: for all. There weren't any laws that the government officials 350 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: were all buying and selling favors. Now, the other Ukraine 351 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: story is really fantastic, and it's it's a good story, 352 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: I guess. Photos on the Facebook page of Ukraine's Armed 353 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: forces their medical service they show an X ray of 354 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: a grenade inside a serviceman's chest. Yes, a grenade, but 355 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: apparently a couple of surgeons managed to get that grenade 356 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: out of his body with none of them blowing up 357 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: and the injured soldier is now recovering. He got hit 358 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: with the grenade and it lodged inside. No, we do 359 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: not know the story I have. We still do not 360 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: know how the grenade came to be lodged in his chest. 361 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: He didn't swallow it, did he. That's a possibility that 362 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: he ate it, swallowed it, swallowed d It implies he 363 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: chewed it. That probably would have set it off. I 364 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: don't know it. There's a picture of the surgeon holding 365 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: the grenade. It's like a small it's a pretty small device, 366 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: almost looks like a salt shaker, metal salt shaker. So 367 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: he got hit and it didn't go off. It did 368 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: not go off. But apparently they were able to remove 369 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: the grenade from this man's chest. And again the story 370 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: says they don't know how it came to be lodged. 371 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: If you were a surgeon, would you go in and 372 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: do that? Surgery grenades can be fired. This particular grenade, 373 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: called a Vogue grenade, can be fired a distance of 374 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: up to four hundred meters or point two miles. Right, 375 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: So you're right, and they have just had a hit 376 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: right into his chest like a boy. But didn't explode. 377 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: But wait, you get the call. Hey, we got a 378 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: guy with a grenade in his chest. We need you 379 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: in surgery now yeah, oh you don't know. Oh, I'm sorry. 380 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: He seemed to have trouble with the law and I 381 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: can't hear you. His name is and Drill Verba. He's 382 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: the surgeon who's holding the grenade after the surgery. I 383 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: take it that at that point they must have disarmed it. 384 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: I would think so. But you see, grenades have some 385 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: mechanism right to explode them. Well, sure, you pull them. 386 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: I guess this is a grenade that they shot at it. 387 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: It looks like a more modern grenade that you pull 388 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: the pin. And it's also shot from a projectile. Right, yeah, wow, 389 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: that's all right. We got more coming up. 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Well, yeah, 406 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: that would be the idea. He repeats the question to 407 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: stall for time. But you know what, you should listen 408 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: to the John and Ken Show on the podcast if 409 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: you can't listen during the three live hours we're doing now. 410 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: At the two o'clock hour, we had Carl de Maiowan 411 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: from Reform California. The place you need to go is 412 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: Stop the Mileage Tax dot com. His organization is really 413 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: putting together an effort to stop the California mileage tax. 414 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: So they want to do a pilot program in San Diego. 415 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: They're already done pilot programs, but to do a countywide 416 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: one like they're thinking in San Diego, that would be 417 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: the door opening. So get on board with reformed California. 418 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: Help stop this, stop the mileage tax dot com. Well, 419 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: the PETA people strike again. They're asking the San Francisco 420 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: Board of Supervisors to rename a street in the city, 421 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: either temporarily or permanently. What is the name of the street, 422 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Wool Street w O O L. They would like it 423 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: to now be called Vegan Wool Street. They sent a 424 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: letter to the supervisor for the district. They made the 425 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: case that cheaper highly intelligent, unique individuals. They do feel happiness, joy, pain, fear, 426 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: and loneliness, and they value their friends, family and lives. 427 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: Now we're not killing them, we're taking their wool, right, 428 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: but they it's also horrible to have these to make 429 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: them into wool producing machines. Humpy single. One of Peter's 430 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: exposs of the global wool industry, including over one hundred 431 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: wool operations on four continents, has revealed the sheep or 432 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: subject to severe systemic abuse. If there's anything cuter than 433 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: a little wooly lamb is there. Oh no, I mean 434 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: there's a picture here of two little lambs hanging out 435 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: by their mama. And I remember when I went to 436 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: New Zealand we went to a wool farm. Sorry about that, Peter, 437 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: but we did in Ireland too. Yeah, they do a demonstration. 438 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: People look like they were in pain or abused. They're 439 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: just kind of standing there. They're just getting haircuts, that's all. 440 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: Then you do see the occasional story and they're a hoot. 441 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: The sheep that has managed to avoid being sheared for 442 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: like years. They hide somewhere and you see the coat 443 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: on it. You're like, oh my god, like a homeless guy. 444 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: It's like kind of control. It's cutting a haircut. It 445 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: says here that they want to introduce people to a 446 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: vegan wool they made using seaweed, soy, hemp, coconut fiber 447 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: and other organic You know, I'm not going to wear 448 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: a seaweed sweater. Why is it always like this? Why 449 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: do vegans have always always had these weird substitutes? Oh? No, 450 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: one to you try, It might smell like the ocean. 451 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: Here's a seaweed sweater. Yeah, that's gonna be comfortable. And 452 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: everything's made a HMP too. Everything is a soy, a 453 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: coconut fibers. It's not It's not harmful to shave wool 454 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: off a sheep. What else are they going to do 455 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 1: with it? Otherwise, wouldn't get too heavy if there's too 456 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: many years good buy and they haven't been sheered. They 457 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: work around like a big and they'll just probably tip over. 458 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: They'll tip over. They're just too wide and too too wooly. 459 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: I like this. The bureaucrat that they contacted in San 460 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: Francisco told the Chronicle. Yes, I got their letter. That's 461 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: about all they like. Yeah, we got the letter. They're 462 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: offering them ten free wool vegan wool coats and oh 463 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: it's a female woman. Yeah, what's what's her name? Hillary Ronan? 464 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: She said, Um, as someone who cares deeply about animals, 465 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate the request, but we're in a deficit budget 466 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: and have other priorities then changing the street. But it 467 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: says your body would pay for it. My office is 468 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: addressing life or death issues every day and now is 469 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: not the time for symbolic statements. Therefore, I will not 470 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: be pursuing it. Yeah, what about the homeless drug addicts 471 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: in your neighborhood. Yeah, which she'd be really strong on that. Yeah. Really, 472 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: But so Peter was told to buzz off conways here. Hey, no, 473 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: he know, he know. Hey, we got Fred Rogan coming 474 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: on with us. I don't know if you've heard the news, 475 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: but Fred Rogan is leaving sports and retiring and then 476 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: moving to Vale, Colorado. Is that right? I don't know, 477 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: but he's Uh, I don't know what you mean, you 478 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: don't know. I say that an announcement because he's he 479 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: it was announced last night on Channel four that he's 480 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: leaving NBC. But I don't know what he's doing. I 481 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: don't know where he's that's the point of you're having 482 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: him on. But that's like an announcement if you don't 483 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: know what to be true. Well, he's moving to Veil again, 484 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: this is our show. So he says what he wants. Okay, 485 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: she's staying on the radio. He loves radio. Yeah, he's 486 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: staying with the Rodney Rodney and Robes. Oh so he's 487 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: gonna stay on five, that's right, that's right. He's not 488 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: going on a station in Veil, that's right. Okay, he 489 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: may aman going to Veil. Maybe we should interview him. Yeah, 490 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: that's possible, right, you know, yeah, okay, all right? Uh 491 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: and then Steve Garvey's coming on, I mean Steve Gregory. 492 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: Well they're pretty closely. Yeah, look at you. You have 493 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: to get it all in before four. That's great. Well, 494 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: look it's it's early for me. Right, I'm still adjusting. 495 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm still happy. Hour got disrupted. Why I drive home 496 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: and like, why is that place still opens ten thirty? 497 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not um? And then the earthquake. Did 498 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: you guys feel it? I did? I did? You did? 499 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: Deborah Mark freaked out and she had a nervous breakdown. 500 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: Oh she did? Yeah, Oh no she did. She was 501 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: cuddling her dogs in bed. Oh no really, Oh that's wild. 502 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: I heard nothing. I slept, Yeah, I slept her two 503 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: day Burbanks. I don't know if people don't know this 504 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I moved to Burbank. And the 505 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: whole city's on rollers, so we don't feel anything to 506 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, they put the whole city in the 507 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: seventies on rollers. Didn't really have a lot to say. 508 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: Fred Rogan's movement of Veil and Burbankers, Well, these are 509 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: the things you learn that that's Today's News head well 510 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: as Alex Alex Jila, John and Ken show unfortunate. That's right, 511 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: that's right. As Alex Michaelson said, the the the nice 512 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: thing about listening to the shows you try to figure 513 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: out what I'm lying about? Yes, And how dare he 514 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: say that? You know? That's a good game. That's It's like, 515 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: is he serious here or is he kidding? That's right, 516 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: that's right. You never name John always coming back to 517 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: play for the Broncos. Wow, that's a real do you 518 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: hear that? Duke of sports? That's all. Wilson did have 519 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: a very crappy year, but no, that's what I never know. 520 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: That's right. That's one of the examples in the FCC 521 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: when we do our you know, online hootering. That's one 522 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: of the things you can say online and not get 523 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: in trouble for, is that John always coming back to 524 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: the Broncos. That's right. That that's sort of it's not harmful. 525 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: It's not harmful. I mean, I couldn't say that there's 526 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: a guy you know, about to blow up something in 527 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: a certain area, would get in trouble for that, But 528 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: you can't say John always coming back to the right 529 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: it's good when Dwight Eisenhower's going to be president again. Yeah, 530 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: and the and the the the we're ninety seconds, ninety 531 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: seconds till midnight with the doomsday clock, which is so 532 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: such a crap. In nineteen sixty eight it was seventeen 533 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: minutes where you had assassinations to the Waring Wars, the 534 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: Ted Offensive, Cold War. And that there's ten Nobel Prize 535 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: winners on that committee. I don't know that. That's that's 536 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: that's there are Ted Nobel Prize glorias. And this is 537 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: what they're doing now. It's they're working on the doomsday 538 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: clock a second week. We've become insensitive and we're all 539 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: to die. That's right, that's right, that's right. Conway's next, 540 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: Dan with Fred Rogan. Yeah, Dang Dong Devil's Dog with 541 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: Michael Kerzher Is the news come on live in the 542 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: twenty four hour Calfe Newsroom