WEBVTT - Ep. 144 - The Bachelor's Chris Harrison 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.200 Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host, 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:15.160 Shane Bacon, and we have this week Chris Harrison from 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:19.520 Bachelor fame but also a huge, huge golf fan, a 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.479 huge golfer, and uh, we had a great conversation. We 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:24.880 talked a little bit about The Bachelor and all the 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.600 sports parallels that go along with what he does, and 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.560 being a part of Tiger Jam and just getting into 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.400 the game and and kind of his journey through broadcasting 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.040 and sports into where he is now. And Uh, I'm 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.320 a Bachelor watcher. I watched The Bachelor every single week 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.360 with my wife. We wait till seven thirty. That's the 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.040 rule because you get thirty minutes of DVR fast forwarding, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:47.879 and then we watched The Bachelor, and that's what we do. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:49.400 And I think it's my favorite show. I watch you 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.920 every week and I am a guy that isn't scared 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.240 to admit that. So I loved having Chris. I hope 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.440 you guys enjoyed that the season is rolling and uh, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.360 it's it's an exciting time him as everything kind of 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.720 comes to continental us after Hawaii. I've got some exciting 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.280 news in February that I can't share with you yet, 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.520 but I'm going to share with you at some point. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:16.960 It involves media, it involves myself, it involves possibly somebody 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.920 from the PG Tour, And so keep your eyes out 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.720 to follow on Twitter at Shane Bacon, on Instagram at 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.160 Shane Bacon. Just follow along and the news will come 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.679 out here in the next few weeks, and I think 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.960 it'll be something you'll be excited about and interested in. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.800 But other than that, I don't have a lot. The 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.920 conversation with Chris was somewhere in the forty minute range, 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:36.040 so I don't want to take too much of your 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.760 time on the front end of that and want to 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.400 get right to it. Hope you guys are having a 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.559 great new year, a great two thousand twenty. We've already 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.240 had a couple of unbelievable tournaments in our books this 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.200 season alone, this year alone, and uh and on we 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.760 roll into the Desert Classic and beyond. So hope you 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.160 guys get out and play a little bit of golf 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.160 if you're not in a cold weather place. And let's 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.440 get to our guest, and we welcome into the clubhouse 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.200 for the time, Chris Harrison. You know, Chris hosted the Bachelor. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.760 He does so many things. This the twenty four season 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.919 of the Bachelor, Is that right? Eighteen years twenty four 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.880 seasons of Bachelor. I think fifteen bachelorettes. We've done Bachelor 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.360 in Paradise and Bachelor pat So yeah, there's a lot 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.280 of them over eighteen years. And uh, as we're just 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.240 getting into a new season. What's what's the last couple 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.600 of weeks been? Like? Not very stressful for you, pretty 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.399 a lot of downtime. You know what's funny is I'm 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.600 not shooting, so it's actually not stressful as far as 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.160 production because we actually wrap things up. But you know 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.200 what's funny is, even after eighteen years, what's stressful for 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.720 me is it's still having to take the field and 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.560 see if you're winning. And you know, after all these years, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.919 it's still not promised to hear that people are actually 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.040 gonna watch. You think, you know, we take it for granted, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.040 but I still don't. I wake up on Tuesday morning, 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.720 uh in cold sweats, going, man, I hope somebody watched 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.840 our show last night. Are you a review reader? Do 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.960 you read reviews and read and listen to the podcast 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.080 out there that talk about Bachelor? I don't not. I 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.240 really don't read any reviews or listen to anything only 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.920 because you know, I already know everything. But what I 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.640 am a student of is numbers. I get up every 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.320 day and I check out the ratings even when my 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.000 show is not on, just so I know what else 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.680 is out there, what the trends are, what a good 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.400 number is. I've done that every day since I started 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.560 this job. Mike Flies, the creator of the show, got 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.600 me into the numbers and and really kind of taught 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.639 me the trends, and um so I'm I'm psycho about 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.119 the numbers and the stats and and all of that. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.480 And I just I don't think people at home totally 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.560 understand how psycho. Everybody on TV is like, you are 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.840 awesome at your job, You've done it forever. Yet we 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.160 all still have this panic that one day we're gonna 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.000 get fired or people are gonna hate us. Why is 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.840 that what's going on with us? You know, I'm not 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.120 sure I think it's a good way to live. If 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.640 I've often thought what would be better or easier? Would 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.120 you like to have a job where you're just kind 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.600 of cruising along for twenty or thirty years and um 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.600 or having this feeling like you're an athlete. I think 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.880 of just knowing not only that you could be fired, 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.360 but that you will be fired no matter what movie, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.000 what television show, even the Bachelor. You know, someday we'll 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.680 have a shelf lie and you know that you're going 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.480 to be let go. You know, I did Millionaire for 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.760 four years and it's come and gone. I've done other shows, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.520 so you know, I kind of like that walking the 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.920 tight rope, so to speak, and and knowing it could 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.320 all go away. It's been, um, it's been an interesting 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.120 way to live my adult life. I don't know if 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.359 you feel the same way, but I think it just 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.440 gives you that hunger, in that drive that you're always 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.840 I guess a little unsatisfied, and so you're always fighting 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.359 for what's next. Well, there's always somebody younger, there's always 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.840 somebody that is great on TV, and they should do 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.160 your job. Well, that's that's the scary thing, is your 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.560 is as I was. I was talking to somebody the 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.240 other day and I went, you know, I'm thirty six 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.560 years old, but I'm gonna snap my fingers and be 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.600 forty and I'm gonna be forty five and all of 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.240 a sudden, you aren't the young guy doing this anymore, 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.919 and you have to be good or they're going to 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.640 drop you. That's how things work. Yeah, I mean I 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.040 started this job. I had just turned thirty years old, 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.440 and you know, I have snapped my fingers and now 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.560 I am, you know, forty eight and moving into you know, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.720 almost our third decade of this show, which is an 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.480 absolute anomaly in a blessing. If you know television at all, 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.880 it just doesn't happen like that. You know, this is 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.840 beyond a home run. But it has gone quick. And 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.640 and what I realized early on is when you are 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.080 jealous or when you are envious of other people, you 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.000 got to realize there's there's room for everybody. There's room 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.760 for other talent. If you're not getting work, or if 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.880 you're not getting the brakes, that's not on somebody else, 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.360 that's on you, or that's on the situation that you're in. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.520 There's room for other people to succeed as well. And uh, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.320 you know, I learned a long time ago that I 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.600 I kind of relish when other reality shows or when 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.960 other talk shows work, or when hosts succeed, because that 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.840 means other hosts will get jobs. Um, you know, there's 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.760 this scary kind of trend going on in Hollywood with 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.000 hostless shows and talk shows and uh the award shows, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:21.800 and I'm like, man, that's not a good trend for us. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.520 It's like when they have multiple you know that the 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.320 NBA does this thing on on certain nights where they 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.280 have players only broadcast, and I'm like, I don't like 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.320 that broadcast. Right, This is like a job I one 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.520 day want to have. I don't want just two players 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.920 up there doing what you've been around, you know, almost 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.080 as much as I have. Uh I clearly I'm a 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.719 little older than you. But you know, there's always these 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.599 things are cyclical and and the pendulum swings and and 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.720 it always goes back and forth. You know. He goes 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.040 from old school the way things are now, and then 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.720 it's like, oh, let's trying no broadcasters and just go 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.479 nat sound up on a football game. And then you realize, no, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.800 you know, it's it's really good when you have you know, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.120 Joe and Troy and those guys in the boost that 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.800 you you up there calling the action. It does make 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.280 a difference. And so it's it it all just kind 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:09.640 of ebbs and flows and you just have to go 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.760 with it and wait, wait, you know, for things to 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.920 come back. Well, I want to go back to your 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.040 career and where you started, because you've had you had 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.559 a broadcasting career. I mean you were doing local news 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.000 and you did some random sporting events. But you're a 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.880 sports guy. I mean, I'm not sure people know how 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.280 obsessed you are with sports, how obsessed you are with golf. 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.240 Can you take us through, kind of weave us through 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.440 how you got to The Bachelor and beyond. Yeah, well, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.680 I mean I started back. You know, it really started 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.800 in college. I was a soccer player in college, and 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.480 I grew up playing club ball in Dallas and had 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.920 no inkling of what I wanted to do in life 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.520 other than play some soccer. And I was lucky enough 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.240 to get to college and play on a scholarship at 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.800 Oklahoma City University and it was great. And that's where 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.600 I found sportscasting. And it was really brought to me 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.720 by the sports information director who needed a a student 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.120 to call the basketball games and be a play by 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.800 play guy. And that's really how I fell into it. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.960 And as soon as I did it as a student, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.000 I absolutely fell in love with it and realized for 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.880 the first time, Wow, I don't really care much about 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.480 soccer anymore or as much. I really want to do 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.720 this for my my life. And it was a quick 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.640 passion of mine that I fell in love with. And 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.840 from there I got into sportscasting and I worked at 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.600 the CBS affiliate a in Oklahoma City and kind of 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.480 rose through the ranks, you know, the part time guy, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.120 then the weekend you know reporter. Then I became the 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.640 weekend anchor and um so it kind of moved through 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.920 the ranks there in Oklahoma City, and it was a 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.920 great place to cut my teeth. You know. Again, when 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.080 people ask me, how should I come up in the business, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.840 I don't know if it's right for everybody, But I 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.960 love the fact that I came up in local news 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.080 where I had to write, edit, produced, I was in 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.160 the field. I I did it all. I learned how 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.600 to shoot, I knew everybody's job because you had to 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.960 do it all. It was, you know, a high level market, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.360 but small enough that you could make mistakes, and you know, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.839 really learned the business and learn the craft as a 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.839 as a true journalist before moving on to do everything else. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.760 And you mentioned you played soccer. I know you're an 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.880 avid golfer. You're obsessed. I mean you're a part of 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.200 the Tiger Jam in Vegas, and I know you've played 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.840 in the Pebble Beach Pro Am. I know you play 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.319 about as much golf as you're able to play at 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.880 this point with kids in the job that that takes 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.360 you all over the world. How did you get into golf? 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.360 When did that start? Well? I always I always enjoyed 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:29.840 the game of going up and loved it growing up. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.840 But I honestly, it was a rich kids sport and 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.080 we were not rich and growing up in Dallas, and 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.760 I didn't I wasn't really exposed to it. And when 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.040 I but I always loved it and I always watched it, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.760 and you know, wanted to play more. And when I 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.360 got to college, played a little bit. And when I 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.480 graduated and became a sportscaster, as you know, when especially 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.640 in these local markets, there's coaches tournaments. You know, I 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.280 covered a lot of Oklahoma football, Oklahoma State football, and 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.480 the coaches would have their tournaments and were some other 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.440 serity events that as a sportscaster I was expected to 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.840 play in, and quite frankly, I sucked and I was 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.040 so bad, and I was an athlete total, you know, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.440 having that mindset of Okay, I can't be bad at this, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.720 I gotta figure it out. So I I just honestly 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.320 wanted to get good enough to where I could go 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.160 to these tournaments and not make a complete school of myself. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.040 And when you start going down that rabbit hole, as 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.720 you know, because you love the game as much as 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.040 I do, all of a sudden you're you're an addict 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.280 and you're like, okay, I'm in And so then it 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.360 became beyond the passion. And while I was a sportscast, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.240 the great thing as you get to play some awesome, 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.520 you know, awesome courses there in Oklahoma and started covering 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.400 major events because the I was there in ninety four 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.319 when the PGA Championship came through UH Southern Hills and Tulsa, 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.400 the Tour Championship was there, so we in you know, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.840 the Oak Tree Boys. I grew up and was sportscasting 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.080 during the time of Bob Toy, David Edwards, Scott Verplank, Dr. 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.040 Gil Morgan was kind of wrapping up his career. So 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:00.880 I got to cover all these guys and they were 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.160 hugely successful in the tours. It was a fun time 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.000 to be around Oklahoma. Yeah, I mean those guys had 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.000 a run in collegiate an amateur golf that I mean, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.160 they would be up next to just about any good 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.560 college team. I mean I could only imagine that in 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.040 that state doing that. It was probably like having on 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.240 a lighter level that USC team with Leonert and Reggie 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.760 because I'm sure everybody focused on everything they did and 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.200 wanted to see what their results were. Yeah. And and 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.320 at the time too, you know you mentioned the college golf, 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.400 We were covering a lot of Oklahoma state. Uh, there 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.079 was the time they were actually just finishing up their 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.319 course Carston Creek. At the time, I was there when 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.520 they finished it. Um and Oklahoma you know, had a 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.120 great golf program. So it was fun to be around again. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.560 It just more exposure to the game. Played a bunch 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.960 and uh, you know, never dream as as a kid, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:50.960 even as a sportscaster. I never thought I would end 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.160 up in Hollywood and and heaven forbid, end up playing 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.600 in the A T and s here or any of 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.360 these other pigs, you know, being on the stage hosting 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.640 you know, Tiger Jam with Tiger are getting to know 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:06.520 him those things. You know, it never ceases to amaze me, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.720 and it never it never doesn't give me goose bumps 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.560 when I walk off that first team and I still 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.679 have that feeling why am I here? Like why are 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.720 they allowing me? I'm I'm a forty eight year old man. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.360 I still have a feeling like I'm eight years old 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.080 and I just stole a candy bar. Well, you know 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.920 that there's a debate that happens consistently, a heated debate, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.920 if you will, about the best president golf forever. You 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.560 know you've heard JFK and you know Obama wasn't great, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.280 and Trump, i've heard, is a lot better than you'd 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.000 expect him to be. But here's the debate. I want 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:42.160 to ask you who is the best bachelor or bachelorette 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.160 for that matter, golf forever? Which which person came into 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.520 that role that had the most game. Well, I'm gonna 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.480 say I'm and I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of bring 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.400 this in so it's not just contestants ever, because we've 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.840 had some actually I think pro golfers, you know, people 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.720 that played on the tour that were a part of 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.079 like the group you know, say the one of twenty 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.880 five or the one of thirty, but actual v bats 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.680 or v bats are at um as of late. God, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.840 probably I think probably Ben Higgins, off the top of 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:18.440 my head, is probably the best. Andrew Firestone is pretty good. Um. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.319 I I just took Pete out. We actually just took 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.040 him down to Callaway and got him set up with 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.400 clubs and all that. But I also saw his swing. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.240 He's not great, but he's starting to love the game 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.760 and getting into it. But Ben Higgins is kind of 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.960 getting into it. He played in Tahoe in that celebrity event. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.600 I think he's at the Diamond Resorts event this week. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.600 So he's really kind of a die hard golfer and 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.120 his game's getting better. So right now i'd probably say 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.480 Ben Higgins, hey, you gotta push all of these people 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.680 to have more golf dates. I feel like that's the 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.960 one thing miss you. Now. I know you have dedicated 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.800 Bachelor in Paradise to a little bit of a tip 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.920 of the cap to golf, but I feel like it 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.640 it's starts like no putt putt. I mean, I know 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.640 I've probably my wife and I have watched Bachelor and 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:06.280 it's I mean up on episode one in the driveway, 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.640 you know, because he was hitting through the wind. That's right, 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.480 That's right. Okay, so there you go. I just I 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.280 feel like a Top Golf date or something like that. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.760 You know, the one bone I ever have the pick 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.480 with the Bachelor, and I know you're probably not the 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.680 person to present this too, is just once. I mean, now, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.120 mind you, you have the budget for this, and anybody 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.680 on the show wants to do the craziest date ever, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.480 but just once, I'm like, go to Top Golf for 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.920 three hours and let's see how the interaction is. You know, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.840 it's not going to make the best TV minds you, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.080 but I feel like that would be a regular first 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.280 date is to go and you have to sit face 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.400 to face and talk over nachos and a beer, and 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.960 you know that that's that would be a very interesting 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.120 thing to see two people that have never met have 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.560 to do. And then you get to see a couple 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.840 of golf swings. Yeah. People have always said, why don't 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:54.720 you guys do regular things for dates like we do, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.600 like just go to dinner and go see a movie. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.640 And I'm like, this this is television. You realize, right, Yeah, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.800 that that's like our sad life. That's our regular sad life. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.080 That's you know, sitting home watching TV by yourself on 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.200 a Wednesday night. Like that's that's what we're trying to 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.080 avoid on the show. Um. But we've had a few 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.760 golf dates over the years, and we've had some spectacular 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.680 golf courses. And the funny thing is, you know, the 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.880 the actual playing of golf never really translates that. I forget, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.080 what's the course La Costa. We were down to La 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.680 Costa and we took over the entire course, that championship course, 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.040 and I was down there and they ended up they 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.440 were on the range. We shut down the entire course 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.520 and so I just went out and played. I had 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.080 the place to myself. I ended up playing like thirty 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.720 six that day because they never made it to the course. 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.520 They just goofed around on the range and we're doing 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.920 all that stuff because golfs not exactly the most interactive 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.000 as far as date material on TV. So it was 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.880 really funny with a one time we did try to 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.080 do it and we took over a course. I was 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.040 the only one that got to play. Yeah, unless you're 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:00.440 having a situation where where where there's uh, like somebody's 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.280 getting hit with a golf ball or something. It's probably 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.000 not gonna make for unbelievable TV now. As much as 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.760 much push as you have in the Bachelor world, and 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.960 I know you travel a lot, my friend, are you 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.240 ever like, hey, Scotland would be a pretty cool spot 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.720 to go for you know, maybe three or four days 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.040 this year for this season. Well, we did Northern Ireland, 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.840 we did do Scotland, and you know, we have hit 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:30.760 some pretty spectacular golf areas even you know, the cool 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.520 thing for me is we've been over in Asia. It's 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.360 going to some of these random places. Um, even even 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.440 in Iowa. I remember playing we were like Golf Club 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.840 of Iowa, just stumbling upon some of these local courses. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:48.280 Whether I'm in Vietnam, Thailand, uh, you name it, um, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.720 where are they playing? I forget up? Uh uh nimicolon. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.000 We were nimical. And and and that's say they used to 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.480 play the Lumber eighty Former Classic or whatever. Yeah, I 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.320 think John Dailey won that event once exactly. And so 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.520 places like that we've stumbled upon and they have a 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.560 golf course and and you know, again I'm usually the 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.639 only one that can go out and play because they're working. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.639 But it's been pretty cool to stumble upon somebody's local, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.320 local tracks. All right, here's a question that I'm gonna 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.600 you're gonna have to really press the brain on which 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.920 professional golfer currently current professional golfer and you can throw 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.520 in in the back end a historical figure, but which 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.880 pro golfer on the tour right now? Do you think 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:34.880 would make the best bachelor? Allah Jesse Palmer oh man Um. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.879 First of all, we gotta figure out someone who's single. Well, 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.320 and that's and listen, I'm nobody's gonna fall if you 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.080 say something that's got a girlfriend. I understand it's not 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.240 easy to keep up with the personal lives of everybody 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.800 on tour. Yeah, Like I was trying to think, like 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.680 who's who's single? You know, who would be good because 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.879 he's a little bit crazy and controversial with the good 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.000 TV is to shampoo, he would be awesome. He would 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.640 be good TVs uh because you know he's a little 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.359 bit of a of a Hannah type where you're gonna 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.400 get it all a good guy you know, clearly has 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.480 the skills, but he's gonna be a he's gonna be 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.240 a mess. He's going to be the guy that's crime 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.200 for sure, and you know he's gonna have these conversations 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.640 like the first night with about twelve women that are 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.960 gonna be it's gonna be the most ridiculous thing you've 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.800 ever heard. It's gonna be words that have never been 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.359 spoken in Batchelor history. And he might not know what 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.679 he's talking about. They're not gonna know what they're talking about, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.879 and you're just gonna be watching glue to the television. 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:37.520 I think it would be pretty good. I was t 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.840 anything who else would be good TV because that's the thing. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.600 You know, Well, he's married. Yeah, Sergio would have been 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.760 good in the day too. I think you would have 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.040 been great to obviously marry. What do you have the answer? 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.280 I think Bryson's the answer. This is this is actually 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.320 something I might pushed for. By the way, at some 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.840 point during the US Open broadcast this year, I'm gonna go, 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.320 you know, this guy at times has been compared to 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.480 Hannah the Bachelor Nation, and just see if my producer 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:07.360 notices it. Yeah, as as controversial as as Hannah is sometimes, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.639 but as at times you love them and at times 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.800 you're like trying to figure them out and understand what 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.560 they're saying. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities there. So 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.480 the Bachelor has you know you you talked to start 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.639 about how you know, you wake up on Tuesdays and 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.560 you hope it's going well. Well, you know it's going well. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.560 People are obsessed with it. It does great. It's it's 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.439 must viewing for just about anybody. What I think is 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.400 the most unique thing about the show, at least over 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.280 the last five, six, seven years, is this sports crossover 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.520 that's happening. You know, sports websites, the Ringer and you know, 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.760 go on down the line or writing about it all 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.440 the time. Podcasts are talking about it. Sports podcast are 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.679 talking about it as well. When did that happen? And 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.760 why do you feel like it happened? Great question. Yeah, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.639 you know, I don't know if there was a tipping 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.680 point or a lightbulb moment, but at first the show 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.280 was you know, kind of quietly appreciated. You know, I 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:05.960 would go to sporting events and the football players that 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.119 pulled me aside and say, hey, you know what, you know, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.119 I watched the show with my girlfriend or hey, and 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.760 then it's kind of a good show. But you know, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.760 no one would want to say it out in daylight 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.280 and admit it. But then I think the people like 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:21.200 Jimmy Kimmel, Howard stern Um more and more celebrities really 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.159 started embracing it. And then I think it just became 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.159 cool and it became okay to appreciate and to admit 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.760 that you love it. Um. You know, I would go, 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.480 I'm I'm a big Dallas Cowboys guy because I grew 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.840 up in Dallas. And luckily you've gotten to know some 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.719 of those guys and you know, the Tony Romo and 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.760 a lot of those guys back in the day would 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.320 text me during the show and ask me questions, and 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.080 you know, they were watching, and so more and more, 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.520 it was kind of just this groundswell of now it's 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.440 okay to admit and now it's it's amazing. As you said, 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.399 you know, I'll go on ESPN, or I'll go on 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.240 the Ring, or I'll go on you know, it's a 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.320 It's it's incredible. The athletes that come up and talk 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.399 about the show, and I love it because you know, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.879 I love athletes. But if I go to a PGA 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.719 event and I'm playing in a pro am, we're typically 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.280 talking about The Bachelor, and these guys know everything. They're 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.560 they're asking you questions for the first five holes and 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:12.840 You're like, no, no no, no, no, I want to ask 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.760 you about the Masters? Can I ask you about winning 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:16.840 the mast? I mean, that's how honestly, that's how I 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.440 got to be so close with Jason Day was his wife, 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:22.199 Ellie is a huge fan of the show, and I 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.439 met her at the A T and T, you know, 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.439 several years ago, and you know she and she actually 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.680 introduced me to Jason and we talked about the show. 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.239 And that's honestly the common threat that that brought us 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.320 all together and now we're great friends. But it was 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.159 the show initially that started it. And and again to 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.000 this day, I'll get text messages or whatever from these 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.520 guys that you know they're watching the show and how 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.919 crazy it is. Who's the most famous person that has 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:49.359 either come up to you or reached out to you 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:54.040 and said, I watch your show the most wild And 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.240 I've had some wild ones, But to me in the 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.040 air I grew up in, it was Clint Eastwood, um 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.080 and and it was just the way he did it 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.040 that kind of blew me away. I mean, obviously, Oprah 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.640 and I think you know even I think Obama made 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.359 a reference about it one time, and so obviously to 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.159 have a sitting president make a batchel of reference is 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:19.800 pretty insane. Um. But to me, I was in I 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.320 was in this bar uh where there were there was 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.840 the showcase going on, this Hollywood thing um, and Clint 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.760 Eastwood was there and Dina, then his wife, introduced me, 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.159 and you know, I was in awe because he was 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.359 standing there and it really was like Clint Eastwood white 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.720 T shirt holding a Budweiser. I mean, it was like 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.080 if you could paint a Clint Eastwood poster. This was 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.560 the moment. And he looked at me in his voice 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:45.560 which I won't try to emulate that you know, I 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.760 watch your show from time to time, and I just 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.399 I was speechless. I didn't even know what to say. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.400 I was actually a little bit disappointed because I kind 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:54.960 of just wanted him to punch me in the face. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.720 But it was amazing to me that Clint Eastwood, you know, 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.520 for some reason, watches the show from time to time. 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.359 That's what you need to do it at some point, 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.240 maybe in about five seasons from now, you need to 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.600 have like Opening Night, just a little go pro set 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.400 up and the famous people that are watching homes I'd 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.120 love to hear the Clint Eastwood reaction, you know, when 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.520 somebody comes out of the woodwork and you go, that's 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.199 what we're getting. This is what Clint thinks. Then I know, 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:25.280 you know. Obviously, Charley Scarren mentioned that she has she 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.640 watches the show. She puts her kids down early too, 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.520 so she can catch it. Um. I know, Jennifer Aniston 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.439 has viewing parties, and David State and Jimmy Kimmel and 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.000 I know all these people get together and they all 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.320 watched the show, and um, you know, I was. I 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:41.959 was on the Red carpet. This is back when I 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:46.280 was doing TV Guide and um, Keith and Nicole Kidman 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.600 were on the Red carpet. And Nicole Kidman stops me 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:51.080 in the middle of my interview and says, this is 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.960 just so weird because usually you're in our bedroom when 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.399 we're watching the show, and again it always just gets me. 0:23:57.440 --> 0:23:59.760 I'm like, oh, I guess. I guess people do love 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.239 a show and it really does touch people, which is 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:07.679 kind of awesome. Does Tiger watch He has watched, He 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.719 knows about it. Uh, he's not a die hard, you know. Oddly, 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.920 We've never really gotten into it, so I don't think 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.520 he's a such fan. But obviously he knows what it is, 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.680 um because you know we've mentioned it. He'll know. He'll 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:23.400 know kind of the pop culture version of what's going on. 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.399 If if something is a big story, he will definitely mention, 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:30.160 you know, tell me about what's really going on. Well, 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.399 I know Pebble Beach is a place that you love. 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:34.800 I think you you're going on a guy's trip there 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.679 every year? Is that something you do annually? I? You know, 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:39.359 I used to. I I Now that I play in 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.400 the A T and T, that's has kind of replaced 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:43.960 it as the the guys trip. And now all my 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:45.960 buddies come up and we all pile in a couple 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.240 of hotel rooms and we stay for the week and 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:50.760 they come out and watch, and you know, while I'm playing, 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.440 they'll usually go off and play some other other course. 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.280 But yeah, we used to go up there all my 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.240 guys from our country club and playing this really cool 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:02.240 thing for for junior golf called the Coffee Cup. And 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.719 now it's kind of like a month away from Pebble, 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.320 so we are from the A T and T. But yeah, 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.800 it's it's a to me, it's one of the most 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:15.119 magical places in the world. It's just the place is 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:19.080 just it's a special, special piece of land. Well, and 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.600 like the pro am is is such a unique event. 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.879 It's it's something that's really really close in weeks that 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.359 you know, people circle all the time in hopes of 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:30.479 either playing or going back to it. How is it 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:31.879 for you? Is it one of your favorite weeks of 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.159 the year. And who have you played with over the 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.280 years in the pro am and moments that have kind 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:41.760 of stood out well? Growing up, I grew up in Texas, 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:43.240 and again, we didn't have a whole lot of money, 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.960 so we didn't travel much. I'd never been to California, 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.040 and so I would watch, like everybody else, the old 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.960 clam Bake and I would watch, you know, you know, 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.359 the stars Clint Eastwood and all these other huge movie 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.760 stars on TV, and and the sights and the sounds 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.359 of Carmel all on the ocean, and I just thought, 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:05.240 where is this place? You know, this is Shane roulad Is. 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.520 You know, I couldn't even imagine a place like that 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.680 really existed except for my you know, garbage television that 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:15.800 had four channels and to step on those grounds just 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.920 to play personally, but to be in the actual tournament. 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.280 It just is something that you know, my my eight 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.760 year old self just can't believe every time I'm there, 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.080 and so it really is a special week. I circled 0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.000 the calendar every year and hope I get the invite, 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.800 and luckily the last three years I've been on the list, 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:34.560 and the first year, I don't think I'll ever top 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.480 the first year because Jason Day was my partner. Um, 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.040 he was really on a roll then and was in 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.960 the mix. So we made the cut. And so we're 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.400 playing on Sunday and the second to last group on Sunday, 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:50.520 which again makes no sense that I'm playing with Jason Day, 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.440 Steve Stricker, and Troy Merritt in the second to last 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.919 group at Tebble Beach. Are you trying so hard to 0:26:58.000 --> 0:26:59.640 just beat just to get out of the way at 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.920 that point, because I can I can imagine that on Thursday, Friday, 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.119 even probably into Saturday, everybody's having a good time and 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.760 it's almost like a match play around where at the 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:11.600 front nine, you know, you're kind of chatting and and 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.000 yucking it up and your buddies and then once it 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:15.800 gets down to it. You know, everybody's kind of going 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.199 about their business. What's it like on Sunday when you 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.880 make the cut and your player is in contention? What 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:22.520 was your approach to that? Was it any different than 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.040 the rest of the week. Well, what's what's really interesting, 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.479 and you have to understand is when they when you 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.480 make the cut for Sunday, you're not necessarily with another amateur. 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.320 They pair the tournament according to who's winning and who 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:38.000 might win, obviously for network TV, and so there might 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.919 not be another amateur in your group. And that was 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.080 the situation with me. So I was the only amateur 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.919 with Jason, who was my partner because we're still in 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.520 the mix for our team thing. But then Troy Merritt 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.520 and Steve Stricker didn't have amateurs, so it was three 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.600 obviously stellar PGA pros and me. It was as if 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.879 you walked over your moon to your muni on a 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.480 Saturday and said, hey, can you slide me in? I'm 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.680 just a single, I'm walking and like, oh, yeah, you 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:06.600 know what, we have a ten twenty tea time. Go 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.200 go join those guys over there, And it turns out 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.240 it's it's Steve Stricker Jason Day and Troy Merritt and 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.199 they're at a t D. It was. It was an 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:18.880 insane moment. And I walked up to Steve and Troy. Obviously, 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.320 Jason and I have been together all weekend and all 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.600 week and so I walked up to Steve and Troy 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.280 and said, hey, guys, look, I'm here to to just 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:28.560 have a great walk with you today. If there's anything 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:29.879 I can do, if you want me to pick up 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:31.800 you want me to get out of your way, you know, 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:33.840 but I can roll a put in front of you. 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.240 So if you want me to roll put, let me know. Um, 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:37.840 and and I you know, I just want this to 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:39.640 be a good day for you guys. But the real 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.080 interesting thing for me that I learned that day was 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:46.160 really the juxtaposition of these guys of of Steve Stricker 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.320 Hall of Famer. It's not that he didn't care, but 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.960 there was no pressure on Steve Stricker. And then there's 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.280 Jason Day, who just wants to win. This guy wants 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.080 to get in the Hall of Fame and just wants 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.440 to win tournaments and that's all that matters. And then 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:03.080 there's Troy Merritt, who had never made the cut, needed 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:04.960 to finish in the top ten so he could then 0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:08.920 qualify for the Genesis at Rivieria the next week. So 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.040 the spectrum these guys were on and their mentality that 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.719 day was completely different, and it was really fascinating to watch. 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.040 It's it's always I've made this point a few times 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:22.920 about you know, Tiger Phil to your point, kind of 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:27.120 Hall of Fame type players and the pressure to win, 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.600 I'm sure is always there. But if Tiger is in 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.840 the final group against a rookie who is trying to 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:39.600 establish himself, make money, you know, arn wins, get two 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.360 more years on tour, it is an absolutely different feeling 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.080 for those two guys on the first tee and you're 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.960 sitting there watching it. And that's something that I think 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.200 is so cool about golf in particular, is you get 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.320 to see at times two people paired together playing for 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:59.920 the same goal with completely different mindsets about that goal. Well, 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.400 Troy Merritt was, you know, in no offense to him. 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.560 He was trying not to lose exactly. Jason Day was 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:10.560 taking driver off the deck at eighteen because all he 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.160 cared about was putting pressure on Ted Potter who was 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.040 behind us, and he knew he was two strokes back, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.200 and he knew Eagle was going to be a game changer. 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.680 And you know, Jason Day didn't care about anything else. 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:24.400 He didn't care if he fell out of the top ten. 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.280 He wanted to win. He wants to just get WS 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.080 and make it into the Hall of Fame and win majors. 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.600 And and he has that freewheeling mentality because you know, 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.760 in all you know, defense to a guy like Troy Merritt, 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.160 Jason Day has the bank. You know, he has that 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.480 cushion to fall back on. It doesn't matter whereas Troy 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:44.080 Merritt was coming down eighteen going, oh, dear God, you know, 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.720 I need to make it in the top ten because 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:48.400 this is a big check for me and it's a 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.720 game changer for these guys. And so I don't know 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.800 if people, you know, a regular fan watching on Sunday 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:57.760 fully appreciates when you guys so eloquently kind of try 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.600 to articulate, Hey, you know, it's hard to win, and 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.479 it's hard to learn how to close out a tournament. 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.680 It's hard to you know, when to just be a 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.720 freewheeling guy when so much is on the line for 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.440 these young men. Um and it is a big It's 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.160 a big difference when you're a top ten player and 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.960 you already have your you know, invite to the Masters, 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.080 you already have. You know, there's so much on the 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.680 line for these guys when they haven't won before. So 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.520 how is your game right now? Are you played? You 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:26.320 get to play it all right now because you're so busy. 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.200 You've got to do press, you gotta do stuff like this. 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.120 Are you getting a chance to get out at all? 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.600 Or or are you pretty much locked in the A 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.640 T and T. I to be honest, I played twenty 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.080 seven yesterday. But this time of year is actually really 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.160 good for me because, um, you know, we try to 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:44.560 shut down around the holidays and things are pretty slow 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.800 leading up to Pebble Beach. So this tournament is actually 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.760 really well situated for my life before I get back 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:56.080 into the Battelorette and things really explode. Um, it's it's 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.840 in the spring into summer, you know, for example, the Masters. 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.080 I if I haven't been in the United States for 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:08.440 the Masters, and I don't know, fifteen years, maybe eighteen years. 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.680 I'm always on the road watching the Masters at four 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.520 am or god knows when. You know, in South Africa 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.560 or Asia or whatever, and I have my devices and 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.360 I'm trying to, you know, figure it out. And you know, 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:25.040 I was on a plane when Tiger won and this 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.200 last one, and I had I was streaming, So I 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.680 had my iPad up. It's the middle of night. Do 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.480 you know how they turn out the lights on the plane. 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:37.160 Everybody's sleeping. I had like three devices hooked up, and 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.480 I had Master's radio and that was streaming good. So 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.920 I left my radio on um through my phone. Then 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:45.720 I had my iPad in front of me, and I 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.040 had something else in my computer up and I was 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.120 trying to stream everything so at least one of them 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.960 would capture the moment. And so I'm up like a lunatic, 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.120 the only guy with his lights on in the middle 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.400 of the night on this plane with tears and eyes 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.200 as Tiger is winning the Masters. It was unbelievable. Yeah, 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.280 it was. I actually changed the flight I was at Augusta. 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.560 I had an obligation on Saturday night. I was going 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.160 to fly home real early on Sunday to get home 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.320 in time, and they moved the tea times because of 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.120 the weather, and so I had to change my flight. 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.680 I was like, well, I'm not leaving Augusta if this 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.040 guy actually has a chance of winning a major, because 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.200 I was I'll say this, I've said it a lot. 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.160 I was at the front of the line on this guy. 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.280 I'll never win again. And I am wrong, and I 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:27.360 was happy to be wrong, and I will continue to 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.280 be happy that I was wrong about that whole take. 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.720 And uh, and I had to stay. I stayed there. 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.040 And to see, by the way, it's not an indictment 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.240 on Tiger or even doubt it. It It was just I mean, 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:41.560 you and I had seen him, and I don't know 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:46.400 if people really fully understand it's a miracle he could walk. 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.480 I mean I saw him at times when he couldn't 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:53.400 stand up straight, he couldn't sit in a chair, and 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.400 the pain in agony this guy was in not as 0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.080 a golfer, but as a human being. Just I is 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.600 worry he wasn't going to live a normal life. The 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.600 fact that he went and run in Atlanta and run 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:09.319 at Augusta. I don't think it's crazy to call it 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:13.319 a miracle, and and to to have been around him 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.040 a few times. He understands that now too. He gets 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:21.600 the the fact that what happened and the things that 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.799 had to come into play for him to win. It 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.560 really was, you know, up there being a miracle and 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.120 will he ever win again and be on this I 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.480 don't know, and I honestly don't even care to have 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.640 had those moments. Was just, you know, it's what sports 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.799 is all about. You can't script that again, you know, 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.920 to take a bachelor line like, you can't script that 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.319 kind of stuff. And that's why we love sports. But 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.879 you know, you weren't you weren't you know, a bad 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.319 guy to think, hey, this guy is not gonna win again, 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:51.879 because man, I mean the guy couldn't even stand up well, 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.160 I mean I was. I was on a flight and 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.600 I've told this story a couple of times. I was 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.520 on a flight to go to Northern California when he 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.279 was making that return and napp uh and he pulled out. 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.000 I believe he was supposed to play with Steph Curry 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:08.000 and that was the big return and Fox sent me 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:09.920 up there to write a story about it. In midflight, 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.400 I was on the internet, you know, checking some stuff, 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.680 and comes out the Tigers not playing again, and that 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:16.359 was the time I kind of wrote, you know, this 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.399 is it. I mean, if he can't play, doesn't feel 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.959 comfortable play in a NAPA. He's probably not gonna feel 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:22.840 comfortable playing in any big stage at this point, and 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.880 obviously is not healthy enough. And you know what, I 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.640 was wrong, and being wrong, it's totally okay anytime you are, 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.320 especially for moments like that. I want to ask you 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.239 a couple more things and I'll let you go. One 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.400 is just you said you played twenty seven. What's the 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:40.120 handicap currently? Um I am Pebble usually has me at 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.960 at a ten. I think it's honestly, it's interesting that 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:46.239 this new handicap system. And I had not talked to 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.400 the tournament committee up there and the and the folks, 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.279 you know how what they're going to do as far 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.440 as the handicaps, because obviously the U. S G A 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.120 and the system has changed, and most of our handicaps 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:58.680 have gone up. I don't know if yours has, but 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.000 mine went up a couple of strokes, so I don't 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:02.319 know if all of a sudden I'm going to be 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.480 uh an eleven or a twelve out there, but usually 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.319 they have me at about a ten, and that's about right. 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.760 That's that's about you know, I'm about a ten or eleven, 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.480 depending on the day I've seen you hit it. I 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.000 think I think I think twelve. Would you'd be a 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:18.319 very uh, you'd be a much looked after partner if 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.960 you were playing I would there would you need that cushioned? 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.040 I mean, uh, you know, it's one thing when you 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.360 and I are out. You and I had the pleasure 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.480 of playing right before the US Open. And how's your game? 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.880 What are you? A plus three plus four? Oh? You know, 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.520 I you know what. I keep shooting somewhere in the 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.800 seventy three seventy four range, and for some reason, my 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.279 handicap doesn't move. I don't really understand why I'm still 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.879 a plus two, but I'm hoping that at some point 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.840 it will adjust a little bit because I'd love to 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.200 be a zero. Would be amazing not to give shots back. 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.560 But uh yeah, that's that's kind of that's kind of 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.120 the purgatory world I'm living in currently. In the handicap 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.600 you mentioned, Pebill, I want to has has your handicap 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.399 changed all? You know? It's it kind of it kind 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.040 of stayed the same. I could do in some scores. 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.279 I had cards. I went to Bannon Dunes with a 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:07.240 couple of buddies late last year and forgot to plug 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.239 the scores, and so I plug those in and there 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.319 are a couple of high winds in there in the 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.080 windy days around Pacific. I was hoping that would do something. 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.040 It didn't, and then i've I've I've shot. You know, 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.200 I shot seventy four a couple of days ago and 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.440 it didn't adjusted either. But I feel like the new 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:24.320 system is supposed to adjust quicker. So hopefully if anything 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:26.840 keeps going north of where I'm supposed to be, my 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:28.640 number will get closer and closer to Z or that 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.480 is at least what I'm what I'm what, I'm thank you. 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.400 I just want to tell everybody when I'm a fifteen 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.239 up at Pebble next month. Not my fault. It's just 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.360 people are gonna be righting the columns about here, and 0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:41.120 you go out there and win the whole thing. I'm 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.440 gonna pull it, Larry Fitzgerald. I'm gonna win this thing 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:48.880 by thirty strokes. So last question is is there a 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.359 place you haven't gone golf wise that you want to go? 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.440 Is there a course you haven't played, or or a 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.920 destination that you want to take Some friends that you've 0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:01.239 never seen before. H two places I know all at three, 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:06.239 but um, tart Over in New Zealand. Um, and I've 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.120 had an opportunity to go, I just haven't been able 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.600 to make it. But tar Eat in New Zealand is 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.360 now number two in the world outside the United States. 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.440 I think number four in the world overall including the US, 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.399 and from what I've heard from friends, it is just 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.160 spectacular and an incredible experience. And so I want to 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.359 get over to New Zealand in two tar ETI. Um, 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:28.879 but I've never done the Old Course. I've never done St. 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.919 Andrews and my friends all just went from the club 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.279 and did a big trip. And again another place where 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.160 I've been invited and I've had opportunities, I just haven't 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.200 had the chance to actually pull it off. But um, clearly, 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:41.960 you know, I know you've probably played it a dozen times, 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.560 but I've never been over to the Old Course. Of 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.680 all the places that I've i've played and I've had 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:50.840 I've had the unbelievable honor of playing Augusta uh in 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.319 you know, Pine Valley and Sage and some of these 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.359 other places in the United States. But um, yeah, I've 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.920 never never been over the old course, and that's obviously 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:03.600 on the bucket list. I mean, Chris, you're you're famous man, 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.040 You're you're a famous guy. I gotta say it. You 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.120 could get into the Alpha Dunhill. Just you gotta send 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.200 the note to somebody. I mean, I could write, if 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.880 I could write the draft for you. The Dunhill is 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.200 right in the middle, and I believe it's October, uh, 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.880 and it's right in the middle of Bachelor shooting. And 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.040 I'm always again, it's kind of like going to the Masters. 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:25.480 I've actually had the incredible honor of playing Augusta, but 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.920 I've never been to the Masters because I'm always on 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.759 the road and I get invited and I have amazing, 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.319 you know, opportunities to go have Berkman's passes and have 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.680 a house and all of this stuff, and I always 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.760 have to decline. And it's just I'm sitting there somewhere 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.520 at four in the morning in my pajamas, seething and 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.680 knowing all my friends there and I'm not there. Um. 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:47.800 But then again, you have to think, well, I'm pretty 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.200 blessed because I have a damn good job. That's exactly right. 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.440 All right, last question, since you just said it, This 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.600 was gonna be my first question, but we got into 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.680 some other stuff. What's the worst part of your job? 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.200 What's the part of your job? Job, and and and 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:02.640 you know what, I'm not going to give you this 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.440 easy out. Travel. You can't say you can't stay on 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.759 the road. Well, because I was gonna say, well, the 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.920 problem is, I was gonna say, the greatest thing about 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:15.120 my job is also probably the worst because of being 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.920 a dad and having to be away and the travel 0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.080 and just being on the road. Is is and it wasn't. 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:21.840 It didn't used to be like that, But I'll admit 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.640 the older I get the it's a bit of a beating, 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:29.040 as you know, being constantly on planes and traveling around 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.759 the world. But at the same time it is an 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.560 absolute blessing because I did not travel much when I 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.440 was when I was a young man. But um, if 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.839 I can't have travel, man, probably the hours now of 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:46.120 you when we shoot, we shoot into some ungodly hours. 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.240 I don't know if you watched the entire first episode, 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:52.400 but you might. Yeah, you might notice the sun is 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:56.080 up now when we do that final rose ceremony, and 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:58.560 that not that didn't used to be the case. He 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.040 used to be. We had this you know, idea of continuity, 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.239 and we started night, We're gonna end at night. Now 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:07.520 we're just somehow we broke into you know, dawn, and 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.440 then we thought, well, if we're already shooting with the 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:11.480 sun coming up, screw it. Why not just keep going 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:13.960 until you know, eight o'clock in the morning. So it's 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.080 a little depressing when you come home and your kids 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.160 are going to school and you're just laying down to 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:20.719 take a quick nap before you got to go back 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.400 to work. But the hours are a lot tougher than 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.560 they used to be. I'll admit, I'm assuming you're getting 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.440 touched up at about four and five am whenever, whenever 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.520 you got the back when I was twenty nine dirty, 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.040 thirty one years old, and you know, we would shoot 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:36.920 all night and I was up all night and I, 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.799 you know, let's go, and I was all fired up 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.680 and had the adrenaline going. Now, I will admit that 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.600 somewhere in the night I go take a quick nap 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.200 and there's some poor intern that has to wake me up, 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:50.279 and like Mr Harrison, we you know, we gotta go, 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:54.400 we gotta be ony. So yeah, there's there's definitely some 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.960 touching up going on at five thirty six o'clock in 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:58.840 the morning, is you got to get back on camera, 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.080 Abs Louie, I, I uh. When we had the US 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.960 Open at Oakmont, there was a weather delay and it 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:09.799 was kind of throughout the week, so the schedule screwed up, 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:11.879 you know, and so that we were having guys had 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:13.840 to come out and finish the rounds early in the 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.920 mornings and then there would be a big gap. And 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.400 at that US Open, I was doing the interviews, and 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:22.000 so Sunday morning, which obviously is Championship Sunday, you know, 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:23.880 this is gonna be the day we're finding the champion. 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:25.400 I'm gonna be talking to people that either one or 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.440 lost the US Open. You know. I had to be 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:29.600 there at about six am because I think Dustin was 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.239 finishing his round and a couple of the other guys 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.520 that were in the hunt, Shane Lowry and I did 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.879 those interviews that you know, say A thirty or nine, 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.640 and I actually went into the sauna at Oakmont, which 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.520 had been converted into basically a storage shed. It took 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.400 like a two and a half hour nap, and I said, nobody, 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.920 nobody at Oakmont A membership will ever know that that's on. 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:49.839 It was a place for sleep for a little bit, 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:51.799 Isn't it funny? Though? There are places like that I 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.480 always laugh about, like places I have taken naps or 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.359 had to just sleep, you know, closets or the back 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.319 that you know, and I always just laugh and you 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.120 know it, or you know you're you're with crew members 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:03.920 or whatever when we're all just trying to grab a 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.080 moment to shut things down, because you know, we do 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.560 work our butts off all around the world. You're tired 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.000 and hot and dehydrate or whatever, and you just laugh. 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:13.239 You look around like if if people can only see 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:14.799 us now, you know, sleeping in the back of a 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.720 truck or sleeping in this closet or in a sauna 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.520 at Oak Mine, Like this is what we do. It's 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.760 this is the glamorous life. Yeah, this is the beauty 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:26.640 that so my my my wife's parents came to the 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.800 Women's am in San Diego and you know, for people 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.200 that don't know what a TV compound looks like for 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.240 a sporting event, it's just trailer after trailer after trailer, 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:40.040 truck after truck after truck, and it's basically finding, you know, 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.480 any land that can hold all of this stuff. So 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:44.840 it's usually somewhere around the around the golf course. But 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.000 it's definitely not glamorous. That would be the term you 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.520 would not use to describe what it looks like. And 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.360 uh and and and my wife's mom had a common accent. 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:54.719 I thought it. I thought it might be a little 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:57.640 a little nicer than that. Yeah, I mean, truck's nice 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.920 and the production rooms nice, but you know, it's kind 0:43:59.920 --> 0:44:02.759 of a dirt area where all the trailers apart. As 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.360 I always tell people, everything in front of the camera 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:10.160 is beautiful, everything behind it not so much. Well, Chris, 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.160 I appreciate the time. Last year you were hosting Real 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.080 Golf Talk with Johnny Miller, a podcast that was great, 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.160 a great listen. Are you guys gonna keep that going 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:22.319 in two thousand twenty. Well, I'm actually oddly uh you 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.040 mentioned because I've been talking to Callaway. They want to 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.839 do it. Uh, It's it's probably not gonna be with Johnny. 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.520 It's we're debating on, you know, kind of rotating it 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.239 through the kind of Callaway list of stars and have 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.319 different golfers each week. But I want to do it, 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:37.560 and they still want to do it. We just have 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.480 to figure out, um, you know, how Callowe wants to 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.560 approach it. But I loved it. Uh you know, as 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:44.399 you know, I could sit here and talk golf all day. 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.239 It's uh my passion. I'm doing it anyway, and it's 0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.640 it's fun to actually just do a passion project like that. 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.440 So hopefully So okay, we'll keep our eye out for 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:54.239 it and uh and when it comes up whoever it 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:56.040 comes up with, we'll we'll send it out on our 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.359 channels as well. That's Chris Harrison. Watch The Bachelor, it's 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.480 great TV. And watch the A T and T Pebble 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.239 Beach Pro am. He might win this year if he's 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:07.040 a fourteen handicap. Windham Clark, keep an eye on Windham Clark. 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:11.080 That's that's my parts this year, Windham Clark and Chris Harrison. 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.640 I feel like that sounds like a champion. You get 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:15.000 your name right there by the first team. If you 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.879 ever win it, that would be an accomplishment, right could 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:19.759 you imagine that? Well? Windom and Windom and I were 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.040 in the same group last year and became friends. He 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.120 played with Joe Don Rooney and Jodan had to move 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.759 on and play with Kevin Chapple. So Dub and I 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.000 have teamed up, and uh, he's he's a tough, tough 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:33.719 beat there at Pebble. He loves that track. That'll be fun. 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.719 I'm excited to watch. Thanks again, I appreciate the time. Alright, Shane, 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:42.120 take care, Bud. It looks like I'm arect A big 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.920 thanks to Chris Harrison for jumping on and chatting. I 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:46.719 really enjoyed the conversation. Thought it was a lot of fun. 0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:48.480 Hope you enjoy as well. If you're a fan of 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.239 the podcast, to us a favor, go on iTunes, write 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:53.840 a review, give us five stars. You can give us 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.200 four stars if you want. Four stars is great. To me. 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.000 Four stars is an a if I had as all 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:00.440 the way through my life, I'd probab to be doing 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.800 something way more advanced than something like a golf podcast, 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.560 but maybe not nearly as much fun. Thanks so much 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.440 for always listening and for hanging in there with us. 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.560 We will be back soon with a new guest. Have 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.080 a great week, get out and play a little bit 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.799 of golf, and we'll check in with you soon.