Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon, and we have this week Chris Harrison from
Speaker 1: Bachelor fame but also a huge, huge golf fan, a
Speaker 1: huge golfer, and uh, we had a great conversation. We
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about The Bachelor and all the
Speaker 1: sports parallels that go along with what he does, and
Speaker 1: being a part of Tiger Jam and just getting into
Speaker 1: the game and and kind of his journey through broadcasting
Speaker 1: and sports into where he is now. And Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: a Bachelor watcher. I watched The Bachelor every single week
Speaker 1: with my wife. We wait till seven thirty. That's the
Speaker 1: rule because you get thirty minutes of DVR fast forwarding,
Speaker 1: and then we watched The Bachelor, and that's what we do.
Speaker 1: And I think it's my favorite show. I watch you
Speaker 1: every week and I am a guy that isn't scared
Speaker 1: to admit that. So I loved having Chris. I hope
Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed that the season is rolling and uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's an exciting time him as everything kind of
Speaker 1: comes to continental us after Hawaii. I've got some exciting
Speaker 1: news in February that I can't share with you yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to share with you at some point.
Speaker 1: It involves media, it involves myself, it involves possibly somebody
Speaker 1: from the PG Tour, And so keep your eyes out
Speaker 1: to follow on Twitter at Shane Bacon, on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon. Just follow along and the news will come
Speaker 1: out here in the next few weeks, and I think
Speaker 1: it'll be something you'll be excited about and interested in.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I don't have a lot. The
Speaker 1: conversation with Chris was somewhere in the forty minute range,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to take too much of your
Speaker 1: time on the front end of that and want to
Speaker 1: get right to it. Hope you guys are having a
Speaker 1: great new year, a great two thousand twenty. We've already
Speaker 1: had a couple of unbelievable tournaments in our books this
Speaker 1: season alone, this year alone, and uh and on we
Speaker 1: roll into the Desert Classic and beyond. So hope you
Speaker 1: guys get out and play a little bit of golf
Speaker 1: if you're not in a cold weather place. And let's
Speaker 1: get to our guest, and we welcome into the clubhouse
Speaker 1: for the time, Chris Harrison. You know, Chris hosted the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: He does so many things. This the twenty four season
Speaker 1: of the Bachelor, Is that right? Eighteen years twenty four
Speaker 1: seasons of Bachelor. I think fifteen bachelorettes. We've done Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise and Bachelor pat So yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of them over eighteen years. And uh, as we're just
Speaker 1: getting into a new season. What's what's the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks been? Like? Not very stressful for you, pretty
Speaker 1: a lot of downtime. You know what's funny is I'm
Speaker 1: not shooting, so it's actually not stressful as far as
Speaker 1: production because we actually wrap things up. But you know
Speaker 1: what's funny is, even after eighteen years, what's stressful for
Speaker 1: me is it's still having to take the field and
Speaker 1: see if you're winning. And you know, after all these years,
Speaker 1: it's still not promised to hear that people are actually
Speaker 1: gonna watch. You think, you know, we take it for granted,
Speaker 1: but I still don't. I wake up on Tuesday morning,
Speaker 1: uh in cold sweats, going, man, I hope somebody watched
Speaker 1: our show last night. Are you a review reader? Do
Speaker 1: you read reviews and read and listen to the podcast
Speaker 1: out there that talk about Bachelor? I don't not. I
Speaker 1: really don't read any reviews or listen to anything only
Speaker 1: because you know, I already know everything. But what I
Speaker 1: am a student of is numbers. I get up every
Speaker 1: day and I check out the ratings even when my
Speaker 1: show is not on, just so I know what else
Speaker 1: is out there, what the trends are, what a good
Speaker 1: number is. I've done that every day since I started
Speaker 1: this job. Mike Flies, the creator of the show, got
Speaker 1: me into the numbers and and really kind of taught
Speaker 1: me the trends, and um so I'm I'm psycho about
Speaker 1: the numbers and the stats and and all of that.
Speaker 1: And I just I don't think people at home totally
Speaker 1: understand how psycho. Everybody on TV is like, you are
Speaker 1: awesome at your job, You've done it forever. Yet we
Speaker 1: all still have this panic that one day we're gonna
Speaker 1: get fired or people are gonna hate us. Why is
Speaker 1: that what's going on with us? You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I think it's a good way to live. If
Speaker 1: I've often thought what would be better or easier? Would
Speaker 1: you like to have a job where you're just kind
Speaker 1: of cruising along for twenty or thirty years and um
Speaker 1: or having this feeling like you're an athlete. I think
Speaker 1: of just knowing not only that you could be fired,
Speaker 1: but that you will be fired no matter what movie,
Speaker 1: what television show, even the Bachelor. You know, someday we'll
Speaker 1: have a shelf lie and you know that you're going
Speaker 1: to be let go. You know, I did Millionaire for
Speaker 1: four years and it's come and gone. I've done other shows,
Speaker 1: so you know, I kind of like that walking the
Speaker 1: tight rope, so to speak, and and knowing it could
Speaker 1: all go away. It's been, um, it's been an interesting
Speaker 1: way to live my adult life. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you feel the same way, but I think it just
Speaker 1: gives you that hunger, in that drive that you're always
Speaker 1: I guess a little unsatisfied, and so you're always fighting
Speaker 1: for what's next. Well, there's always somebody younger, there's always
Speaker 1: somebody that is great on TV, and they should do
Speaker 1: your job. Well, that's that's the scary thing, is your
Speaker 1: is as I was. I was talking to somebody the
Speaker 1: other day and I went, you know, I'm thirty six
Speaker 1: years old, but I'm gonna snap my fingers and be
Speaker 1: forty and I'm gonna be forty five and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you aren't the young guy doing this anymore,
Speaker 1: and you have to be good or they're going to
Speaker 1: drop you. That's how things work. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: started this job. I had just turned thirty years old,
Speaker 1: and you know, I have snapped my fingers and now
Speaker 1: I am, you know, forty eight and moving into you know,
Speaker 1: almost our third decade of this show, which is an
Speaker 1: absolute anomaly in a blessing. If you know television at all,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen like that. You know, this is
Speaker 1: beyond a home run. But it has gone quick. And
Speaker 1: and what I realized early on is when you are
Speaker 1: jealous or when you are envious of other people, you
Speaker 1: got to realize there's there's room for everybody. There's room
Speaker 1: for other talent. If you're not getting work, or if
Speaker 1: you're not getting the brakes, that's not on somebody else,
Speaker 1: that's on you, or that's on the situation that you're in.
Speaker 1: There's room for other people to succeed as well. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I learned a long time ago that I
Speaker 1: I kind of relish when other reality shows or when
Speaker 1: other talk shows work, or when hosts succeed, because that
Speaker 1: means other hosts will get jobs. Um, you know, there's
Speaker 1: this scary kind of trend going on in Hollywood with
Speaker 1: hostless shows and talk shows and uh the award shows,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, that's not a good trend for us.
Speaker 1: It's like when they have multiple you know that the
Speaker 1: NBA does this thing on on certain nights where they
Speaker 1: have players only broadcast, and I'm like, I don't like
Speaker 1: that broadcast. Right, This is like a job I one
Speaker 1: day want to have. I don't want just two players
Speaker 1: up there doing what you've been around, you know, almost
Speaker 1: as much as I have. Uh I clearly I'm a
Speaker 1: little older than you. But you know, there's always these
Speaker 1: things are cyclical and and the pendulum swings and and
Speaker 1: it always goes back and forth. You know. He goes
Speaker 1: from old school the way things are now, and then
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, let's trying no broadcasters and just go
Speaker 1: nat sound up on a football game. And then you realize, no,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really good when you have you know,
Speaker 1: Joe and Troy and those guys in the boost that
Speaker 1: you you up there calling the action. It does make
Speaker 1: a difference. And so it's it it all just kind
Speaker 1: of ebbs and flows and you just have to go
Speaker 1: with it and wait, wait, you know, for things to
Speaker 1: come back. Well, I want to go back to your
Speaker 1: career and where you started, because you've had you had
Speaker 1: a broadcasting career. I mean you were doing local news
Speaker 1: and you did some random sporting events. But you're a
Speaker 1: sports guy. I mean, I'm not sure people know how
Speaker 1: obsessed you are with sports, how obsessed you are with golf.
Speaker 1: Can you take us through, kind of weave us through
Speaker 1: how you got to The Bachelor and beyond. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I started back. You know, it really started
Speaker 1: in college. I was a soccer player in college, and
Speaker 1: I grew up playing club ball in Dallas and had
Speaker 1: no inkling of what I wanted to do in life
Speaker 1: other than play some soccer. And I was lucky enough
Speaker 1: to get to college and play on a scholarship at
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City University and it was great. And that's where
Speaker 1: I found sportscasting. And it was really brought to me
Speaker 1: by the sports information director who needed a a student
Speaker 1: to call the basketball games and be a play by
Speaker 1: play guy. And that's really how I fell into it.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I did it as a student,
Speaker 1: I absolutely fell in love with it and realized for
Speaker 1: the first time, Wow, I don't really care much about
Speaker 1: soccer anymore or as much. I really want to do
Speaker 1: this for my my life. And it was a quick
Speaker 1: passion of mine that I fell in love with. And
Speaker 1: from there I got into sportscasting and I worked at
Speaker 1: the CBS affiliate a in Oklahoma City and kind of
Speaker 1: rose through the ranks, you know, the part time guy,
Speaker 1: then the weekend you know reporter. Then I became the
Speaker 1: weekend anchor and um so it kind of moved through
Speaker 1: the ranks there in Oklahoma City, and it was a
Speaker 1: great place to cut my teeth. You know. Again, when
Speaker 1: people ask me, how should I come up in the business,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's right for everybody, But I
Speaker 1: love the fact that I came up in local news
Speaker 1: where I had to write, edit, produced, I was in
Speaker 1: the field. I I did it all. I learned how
Speaker 1: to shoot, I knew everybody's job because you had to
Speaker 1: do it all. It was, you know, a high level market,
Speaker 1: but small enough that you could make mistakes, and you know,
Speaker 1: really learned the business and learn the craft as a
Speaker 1: as a true journalist before moving on to do everything else.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned you played soccer. I know you're an
Speaker 1: avid golfer. You're obsessed. I mean you're a part of
Speaker 1: the Tiger Jam in Vegas, and I know you've played
Speaker 1: in the Pebble Beach Pro Am. I know you play
Speaker 1: about as much golf as you're able to play at
Speaker 1: this point with kids in the job that that takes
Speaker 1: you all over the world. How did you get into golf?
Speaker 1: When did that start? Well? I always I always enjoyed
Speaker 1: the game of going up and loved it growing up.
Speaker 1: But I honestly, it was a rich kids sport and
Speaker 1: we were not rich and growing up in Dallas, and
Speaker 1: I didn't I wasn't really exposed to it. And when
Speaker 1: I but I always loved it and I always watched it,
Speaker 1: and you know, wanted to play more. And when I
Speaker 1: got to college, played a little bit. And when I
Speaker 1: graduated and became a sportscaster, as you know, when especially
Speaker 1: in these local markets, there's coaches tournaments. You know, I
Speaker 1: covered a lot of Oklahoma football, Oklahoma State football, and
Speaker 1: the coaches would have their tournaments and were some other
Speaker 1: serity events that as a sportscaster I was expected to
Speaker 1: play in, and quite frankly, I sucked and I was
Speaker 1: so bad, and I was an athlete total, you know,
Speaker 1: having that mindset of Okay, I can't be bad at this,
Speaker 1: I gotta figure it out. So I I just honestly
Speaker 1: wanted to get good enough to where I could go
Speaker 1: to these tournaments and not make a complete school of myself.
Speaker 1: And when you start going down that rabbit hole, as
Speaker 1: you know, because you love the game as much as
Speaker 1: I do, all of a sudden you're you're an addict
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, I'm in And so then it
Speaker 1: became beyond the passion. And while I was a sportscast,
Speaker 1: the great thing as you get to play some awesome,
Speaker 1: you know, awesome courses there in Oklahoma and started covering
Speaker 1: major events because the I was there in ninety four
Speaker 1: when the PGA Championship came through UH Southern Hills and Tulsa,
Speaker 1: the Tour Championship was there, so we in you know,
Speaker 1: the Oak Tree Boys. I grew up and was sportscasting
Speaker 1: during the time of Bob Toy, David Edwards, Scott Verplank, Dr.
Speaker 1: Gil Morgan was kind of wrapping up his career. So
Speaker 1: I got to cover all these guys and they were
Speaker 1: hugely successful in the tours. It was a fun time
Speaker 1: to be around Oklahoma. Yeah, I mean those guys had
Speaker 1: a run in collegiate an amateur golf that I mean,
Speaker 1: they would be up next to just about any good
Speaker 1: college team. I mean I could only imagine that in
Speaker 1: that state doing that. It was probably like having on
Speaker 1: a lighter level that USC team with Leonert and Reggie
Speaker 1: because I'm sure everybody focused on everything they did and
Speaker 1: wanted to see what their results were. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: at the time too, you know you mentioned the college golf,
Speaker 1: We were covering a lot of Oklahoma state. Uh, there
Speaker 1: was the time they were actually just finishing up their
Speaker 1: course Carston Creek. At the time, I was there when
Speaker 1: they finished it. Um and Oklahoma you know, had a
Speaker 1: great golf program. So it was fun to be around again.
Speaker 1: It just more exposure to the game. Played a bunch
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, never dream as as a kid,
Speaker 1: even as a sportscaster. I never thought I would end
Speaker 1: up in Hollywood and and heaven forbid, end up playing
Speaker 1: in the A T and s here or any of
Speaker 1: these other pigs, you know, being on the stage hosting
Speaker 1: you know, Tiger Jam with Tiger are getting to know
Speaker 1: him those things. You know, it never ceases to amaze me,
Speaker 1: and it never it never doesn't give me goose bumps
Speaker 1: when I walk off that first team and I still
Speaker 1: have that feeling why am I here? Like why are
Speaker 1: they allowing me? I'm I'm a forty eight year old man.
Speaker 1: I still have a feeling like I'm eight years old
Speaker 1: and I just stole a candy bar. Well, you know
Speaker 1: that there's a debate that happens consistently, a heated debate,
Speaker 1: if you will, about the best president golf forever. You
Speaker 1: know you've heard JFK and you know Obama wasn't great,
Speaker 1: and Trump, i've heard, is a lot better than you'd
Speaker 1: expect him to be. But here's the debate. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you who is the best bachelor or bachelorette
Speaker 1: for that matter, golf forever? Which which person came into
Speaker 1: that role that had the most game. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say I'm and I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of bring
Speaker 1: this in so it's not just contestants ever, because we've
Speaker 1: had some actually I think pro golfers, you know, people
Speaker 1: that played on the tour that were a part of
Speaker 1: like the group you know, say the one of twenty
Speaker 1: five or the one of thirty, but actual v bats
Speaker 1: or v bats are at um as of late. God,
Speaker 1: probably I think probably Ben Higgins, off the top of
Speaker 1: my head, is probably the best. Andrew Firestone is pretty good. Um.
Speaker 1: I I just took Pete out. We actually just took
Speaker 1: him down to Callaway and got him set up with
Speaker 1: clubs and all that. But I also saw his swing.
Speaker 1: He's not great, but he's starting to love the game
Speaker 1: and getting into it. But Ben Higgins is kind of
Speaker 1: getting into it. He played in Tahoe in that celebrity event.
Speaker 1: I think he's at the Diamond Resorts event this week.
Speaker 1: So he's really kind of a die hard golfer and
Speaker 1: his game's getting better. So right now i'd probably say
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins, hey, you gotta push all of these people
Speaker 1: to have more golf dates. I feel like that's the
Speaker 1: one thing miss you. Now. I know you have dedicated
Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise to a little bit of a tip
Speaker 1: of the cap to golf, but I feel like it
Speaker 1: it's starts like no putt putt. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: I've probably my wife and I have watched Bachelor and
Speaker 1: it's I mean up on episode one in the driveway,
Speaker 1: you know, because he was hitting through the wind. That's right,
Speaker 1: That's right. Okay, so there you go. I just I
Speaker 1: feel like a Top Golf date or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, the one bone I ever have the pick
Speaker 1: with the Bachelor, and I know you're probably not the
Speaker 1: person to present this too, is just once. I mean, now,
Speaker 1: mind you, you have the budget for this, and anybody
Speaker 1: on the show wants to do the craziest date ever,
Speaker 1: but just once, I'm like, go to Top Golf for
Speaker 1: three hours and let's see how the interaction is. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not going to make the best TV minds you,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that would be a regular first
Speaker 1: date is to go and you have to sit face
Speaker 1: to face and talk over nachos and a beer, and
Speaker 1: you know that that's that would be a very interesting
Speaker 1: thing to see two people that have never met have
Speaker 1: to do. And then you get to see a couple
Speaker 1: of golf swings. Yeah. People have always said, why don't
Speaker 1: you guys do regular things for dates like we do,
Speaker 1: like just go to dinner and go see a movie.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this this is television. You realize, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's like our sad life. That's our regular sad life.
Speaker 1: That's you know, sitting home watching TV by yourself on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday night. Like that's that's what we're trying to
Speaker 1: avoid on the show. Um. But we've had a few
Speaker 1: golf dates over the years, and we've had some spectacular
Speaker 1: golf courses. And the funny thing is, you know, the
Speaker 1: the actual playing of golf never really translates that. I forget,
Speaker 1: what's the course La Costa. We were down to La
Speaker 1: Costa and we took over the entire course, that championship course,
Speaker 1: and I was down there and they ended up they
Speaker 1: were on the range. We shut down the entire course
Speaker 1: and so I just went out and played. I had
Speaker 1: the place to myself. I ended up playing like thirty
Speaker 1: six that day because they never made it to the course.
Speaker 1: They just goofed around on the range and we're doing
Speaker 1: all that stuff because golfs not exactly the most interactive
Speaker 1: as far as date material on TV. So it was
Speaker 1: really funny with a one time we did try to
Speaker 1: do it and we took over a course. I was
Speaker 1: the only one that got to play. Yeah, unless you're
Speaker 1: having a situation where where where there's uh, like somebody's
Speaker 1: getting hit with a golf ball or something. It's probably
Speaker 1: not gonna make for unbelievable TV now. As much as
Speaker 1: much push as you have in the Bachelor world, and
Speaker 1: I know you travel a lot, my friend, are you
Speaker 1: ever like, hey, Scotland would be a pretty cool spot
Speaker 1: to go for you know, maybe three or four days
Speaker 1: this year for this season. Well, we did Northern Ireland,
Speaker 1: we did do Scotland, and you know, we have hit
Speaker 1: some pretty spectacular golf areas even you know, the cool
Speaker 1: thing for me is we've been over in Asia. It's
Speaker 1: going to some of these random places. Um, even even
Speaker 1: in Iowa. I remember playing we were like Golf Club
Speaker 1: of Iowa, just stumbling upon some of these local courses.
Speaker 1: Whether I'm in Vietnam, Thailand, uh, you name it, um,
Speaker 1: where are they playing? I forget up? Uh uh nimicolon.
Speaker 1: We were nimical. And and and that's say they used to
Speaker 1: play the Lumber eighty Former Classic or whatever. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think John Dailey won that event once exactly. And so
Speaker 1: places like that we've stumbled upon and they have a
Speaker 1: golf course and and you know, again I'm usually the
Speaker 1: only one that can go out and play because they're working.
Speaker 1: But it's been pretty cool to stumble upon somebody's local,
Speaker 1: local tracks. All right, here's a question that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to really press the brain on which
Speaker 1: professional golfer currently current professional golfer and you can throw
Speaker 1: in in the back end a historical figure, but which
Speaker 1: pro golfer on the tour right now? Do you think
Speaker 1: would make the best bachelor? Allah Jesse Palmer oh man Um.
Speaker 1: First of all, we gotta figure out someone who's single. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's and listen, I'm nobody's gonna fall if you
Speaker 1: say something that's got a girlfriend. I understand it's not
Speaker 1: easy to keep up with the personal lives of everybody
Speaker 1: on tour. Yeah, Like I was trying to think, like
Speaker 1: who's who's single? You know, who would be good because
Speaker 1: he's a little bit crazy and controversial with the good
Speaker 1: TV is to shampoo, he would be awesome. He would
Speaker 1: be good TVs uh because you know he's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a of a Hannah type where you're gonna
Speaker 1: get it all a good guy you know, clearly has
Speaker 1: the skills, but he's gonna be a he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a mess. He's going to be the guy that's crime
Speaker 1: for sure, and you know he's gonna have these conversations
Speaker 1: like the first night with about twelve women that are
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be the most ridiculous thing you've
Speaker 1: ever heard. It's gonna be words that have never been
Speaker 1: spoken in Batchelor history. And he might not know what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. They're not gonna know what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna be watching glue to the television.
Speaker 1: I think it would be pretty good. I was t
Speaker 1: anything who else would be good TV because that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, he's married. Yeah, Sergio would have been
Speaker 1: good in the day too. I think you would have
Speaker 1: been great to obviously marry. What do you have the answer?
Speaker 1: I think Bryson's the answer. This is this is actually
Speaker 1: something I might pushed for. By the way, at some
Speaker 1: point during the US Open broadcast this year, I'm gonna go,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy at times has been compared to
Speaker 1: Hannah the Bachelor Nation, and just see if my producer
Speaker 1: notices it. Yeah, as as controversial as as Hannah is sometimes,
Speaker 1: but as at times you love them and at times
Speaker 1: you're like trying to figure them out and understand what
Speaker 1: they're saying. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities there. So
Speaker 1: the Bachelor has you know you you talked to start
Speaker 1: about how you know, you wake up on Tuesdays and
Speaker 1: you hope it's going well. Well, you know it's going well.
Speaker 1: People are obsessed with it. It does great. It's it's
Speaker 1: must viewing for just about anybody. What I think is
Speaker 1: the most unique thing about the show, at least over
Speaker 1: the last five, six, seven years, is this sports crossover
Speaker 1: that's happening. You know, sports websites, the Ringer and you know,
Speaker 1: go on down the line or writing about it all
Speaker 1: the time. Podcasts are talking about it. Sports podcast are
Speaker 1: talking about it as well. When did that happen? And
Speaker 1: why do you feel like it happened? Great question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if there was a tipping
Speaker 1: point or a lightbulb moment, but at first the show
Speaker 1: was you know, kind of quietly appreciated. You know, I
Speaker 1: would go to sporting events and the football players that
Speaker 1: pulled me aside and say, hey, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: I watched the show with my girlfriend or hey, and
Speaker 1: then it's kind of a good show. But you know,
Speaker 1: no one would want to say it out in daylight
Speaker 1: and admit it. But then I think the people like
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel, Howard stern Um more and more celebrities really
Speaker 1: started embracing it. And then I think it just became
Speaker 1: cool and it became okay to appreciate and to admit
Speaker 1: that you love it. Um. You know, I would go,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big Dallas Cowboys guy because I grew
Speaker 1: up in Dallas. And luckily you've gotten to know some
Speaker 1: of those guys and you know, the Tony Romo and
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys back in the day would
Speaker 1: text me during the show and ask me questions, and
Speaker 1: you know, they were watching, and so more and more,
Speaker 1: it was kind of just this groundswell of now it's
Speaker 1: okay to admit and now it's it's amazing. As you said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll go on ESPN, or I'll go on
Speaker 1: the Ring, or I'll go on you know, it's a
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible. The athletes that come up and talk
Speaker 1: about the show, and I love it because you know,
Speaker 1: I love athletes. But if I go to a PGA
Speaker 1: event and I'm playing in a pro am, we're typically
Speaker 1: talking about The Bachelor, and these guys know everything. They're
Speaker 1: they're asking you questions for the first five holes and
Speaker 1: You're like, no, no no, no, no, I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about the Masters? Can I ask you about winning
Speaker 1: the mast? I mean, that's how honestly, that's how I
Speaker 1: got to be so close with Jason Day was his wife,
Speaker 1: Ellie is a huge fan of the show, and I
Speaker 1: met her at the A T and T, you know,
Speaker 1: several years ago, and you know she and she actually
Speaker 1: introduced me to Jason and we talked about the show.
Speaker 1: And that's honestly the common threat that that brought us
Speaker 1: all together and now we're great friends. But it was
Speaker 1: the show initially that started it. And and again to
Speaker 1: this day, I'll get text messages or whatever from these
Speaker 1: guys that you know they're watching the show and how
Speaker 1: crazy it is. Who's the most famous person that has
Speaker 1: either come up to you or reached out to you
Speaker 1: and said, I watch your show the most wild And
Speaker 1: I've had some wild ones, But to me in the
Speaker 1: air I grew up in, it was Clint Eastwood, um
Speaker 1: and and it was just the way he did it
Speaker 1: that kind of blew me away. I mean, obviously, Oprah
Speaker 1: and I think you know even I think Obama made
Speaker 1: a reference about it one time, and so obviously to
Speaker 1: have a sitting president make a batchel of reference is
Speaker 1: pretty insane. Um. But to me, I was in I
Speaker 1: was in this bar uh where there were there was
Speaker 1: the showcase going on, this Hollywood thing um, and Clint
Speaker 1: Eastwood was there and Dina, then his wife, introduced me,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was in awe because he was
Speaker 1: standing there and it really was like Clint Eastwood white
Speaker 1: T shirt holding a Budweiser. I mean, it was like
Speaker 1: if you could paint a Clint Eastwood poster. This was
Speaker 1: the moment. And he looked at me in his voice
Speaker 1: which I won't try to emulate that you know, I
Speaker 1: watch your show from time to time, and I just
Speaker 1: I was speechless. I didn't even know what to say.
Speaker 1: I was actually a little bit disappointed because I kind
Speaker 1: of just wanted him to punch me in the face.
Speaker 1: But it was amazing to me that Clint Eastwood, you know,
Speaker 1: for some reason, watches the show from time to time.
Speaker 1: That's what you need to do it at some point,
Speaker 1: maybe in about five seasons from now, you need to
Speaker 1: have like Opening Night, just a little go pro set
Speaker 1: up and the famous people that are watching homes I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear the Clint Eastwood reaction, you know, when
Speaker 1: somebody comes out of the woodwork and you go, that's
Speaker 1: what we're getting. This is what Clint thinks. Then I know,
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously, Charley Scarren mentioned that she has she
Speaker 1: watches the show. She puts her kids down early too,
Speaker 1: so she can catch it. Um. I know, Jennifer Aniston
Speaker 1: has viewing parties, and David State and Jimmy Kimmel and
Speaker 1: I know all these people get together and they all
Speaker 1: watched the show, and um, you know, I was. I
Speaker 1: was on the Red carpet. This is back when I
Speaker 1: was doing TV Guide and um, Keith and Nicole Kidman
Speaker 1: were on the Red carpet. And Nicole Kidman stops me
Speaker 1: in the middle of my interview and says, this is
Speaker 1: just so weird because usually you're in our bedroom when
Speaker 1: we're watching the show, and again it always just gets me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I guess. I guess people do love
Speaker 1: a show and it really does touch people, which is
Speaker 1: kind of awesome. Does Tiger watch He has watched, He
Speaker 1: knows about it. Uh, he's not a die hard, you know. Oddly,
Speaker 1: We've never really gotten into it, so I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a such fan. But obviously he knows what it is,
Speaker 1: um because you know we've mentioned it. He'll know. He'll
Speaker 1: know kind of the pop culture version of what's going on.
Speaker 1: If if something is a big story, he will definitely mention,
Speaker 1: you know, tell me about what's really going on. Well,
Speaker 1: I know Pebble Beach is a place that you love.
Speaker 1: I think you you're going on a guy's trip there
Speaker 1: every year? Is that something you do annually? I? You know,
Speaker 1: I used to. I I Now that I play in
Speaker 1: the A T and T, that's has kind of replaced
Speaker 1: it as the the guys trip. And now all my
Speaker 1: buddies come up and we all pile in a couple
Speaker 1: of hotel rooms and we stay for the week and
Speaker 1: they come out and watch, and you know, while I'm playing,
Speaker 1: they'll usually go off and play some other other course.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we used to go up there all my
Speaker 1: guys from our country club and playing this really cool
Speaker 1: thing for for junior golf called the Coffee Cup. And
Speaker 1: now it's kind of like a month away from Pebble,
Speaker 1: so we are from the A T and T. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a to me, it's one of the most
Speaker 1: magical places in the world. It's just the place is
Speaker 1: just it's a special, special piece of land. Well, and
Speaker 1: like the pro am is is such a unique event.
Speaker 1: It's it's something that's really really close in weeks that
Speaker 1: you know, people circle all the time in hopes of
Speaker 1: either playing or going back to it. How is it
Speaker 1: for you? Is it one of your favorite weeks of
Speaker 1: the year. And who have you played with over the
Speaker 1: years in the pro am and moments that have kind
Speaker 1: of stood out well? Growing up, I grew up in Texas,
Speaker 1: and again, we didn't have a whole lot of money,
Speaker 1: so we didn't travel much. I'd never been to California,
Speaker 1: and so I would watch, like everybody else, the old
Speaker 1: clam Bake and I would watch, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: the stars Clint Eastwood and all these other huge movie
Speaker 1: stars on TV, and and the sights and the sounds
Speaker 1: of Carmel all on the ocean, and I just thought,
Speaker 1: where is this place? You know, this is Shane roulad Is.
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't even imagine a place like that
Speaker 1: really existed except for my you know, garbage television that
Speaker 1: had four channels and to step on those grounds just
Speaker 1: to play personally, but to be in the actual tournament.
Speaker 1: It just is something that you know, my my eight
Speaker 1: year old self just can't believe every time I'm there,
Speaker 1: and so it really is a special week. I circled
Speaker 1: the calendar every year and hope I get the invite,
Speaker 1: and luckily the last three years I've been on the list,
Speaker 1: and the first year, I don't think I'll ever top
Speaker 1: the first year because Jason Day was my partner. Um,
Speaker 1: he was really on a roll then and was in
Speaker 1: the mix. So we made the cut. And so we're
Speaker 1: playing on Sunday and the second to last group on Sunday,
Speaker 1: which again makes no sense that I'm playing with Jason Day,
Speaker 1: Steve Stricker, and Troy Merritt in the second to last
Speaker 1: group at Tebble Beach. Are you trying so hard to
Speaker 1: just beat just to get out of the way at
Speaker 1: that point, because I can I can imagine that on Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: even probably into Saturday, everybody's having a good time and
Speaker 1: it's almost like a match play around where at the
Speaker 1: front nine, you know, you're kind of chatting and and
Speaker 1: yucking it up and your buddies and then once it
Speaker 1: gets down to it. You know, everybody's kind of going
Speaker 1: about their business. What's it like on Sunday when you
Speaker 1: make the cut and your player is in contention? What
Speaker 1: was your approach to that? Was it any different than
Speaker 1: the rest of the week. Well, what's what's really interesting,
Speaker 1: and you have to understand is when they when you
Speaker 1: make the cut for Sunday, you're not necessarily with another amateur.
Speaker 1: They pair the tournament according to who's winning and who
Speaker 1: might win, obviously for network TV, and so there might
Speaker 1: not be another amateur in your group. And that was
Speaker 1: the situation with me. So I was the only amateur
Speaker 1: with Jason, who was my partner because we're still in
Speaker 1: the mix for our team thing. But then Troy Merritt
Speaker 1: and Steve Stricker didn't have amateurs, so it was three
Speaker 1: obviously stellar PGA pros and me. It was as if
Speaker 1: you walked over your moon to your muni on a
Speaker 1: Saturday and said, hey, can you slide me in? I'm
Speaker 1: just a single, I'm walking and like, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, we have a ten twenty tea time. Go
Speaker 1: go join those guys over there, And it turns out
Speaker 1: it's it's Steve Stricker Jason Day and Troy Merritt and
Speaker 1: they're at a t D. It was. It was an
Speaker 1: insane moment. And I walked up to Steve and Troy. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Jason and I have been together all weekend and all
Speaker 1: week and so I walked up to Steve and Troy
Speaker 1: and said, hey, guys, look, I'm here to to just
Speaker 1: have a great walk with you today. If there's anything
Speaker 1: I can do, if you want me to pick up
Speaker 1: you want me to get out of your way, you know,
Speaker 1: but I can roll a put in front of you.
Speaker 1: So if you want me to roll put, let me know. Um,
Speaker 1: and and I you know, I just want this to
Speaker 1: be a good day for you guys. But the real
Speaker 1: interesting thing for me that I learned that day was
Speaker 1: really the juxtaposition of these guys of of Steve Stricker
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. It's not that he didn't care, but
Speaker 1: there was no pressure on Steve Stricker. And then there's
Speaker 1: Jason Day, who just wants to win. This guy wants
Speaker 1: to get in the Hall of Fame and just wants
Speaker 1: to win tournaments and that's all that matters. And then
Speaker 1: there's Troy Merritt, who had never made the cut, needed
Speaker 1: to finish in the top ten so he could then
Speaker 1: qualify for the Genesis at Rivieria the next week. So
Speaker 1: the spectrum these guys were on and their mentality that
Speaker 1: day was completely different, and it was really fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1: It's it's always I've made this point a few times
Speaker 1: about you know, Tiger Phil to your point, kind of
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame type players and the pressure to win,
Speaker 1: I'm sure is always there. But if Tiger is in
Speaker 1: the final group against a rookie who is trying to
Speaker 1: establish himself, make money, you know, arn wins, get two
Speaker 1: more years on tour, it is an absolutely different feeling
Speaker 1: for those two guys on the first tee and you're
Speaker 1: sitting there watching it. And that's something that I think
Speaker 1: is so cool about golf in particular, is you get
Speaker 1: to see at times two people paired together playing for
Speaker 1: the same goal with completely different mindsets about that goal. Well,
Speaker 1: Troy Merritt was, you know, in no offense to him.
Speaker 1: He was trying not to lose exactly. Jason Day was
Speaker 1: taking driver off the deck at eighteen because all he
Speaker 1: cared about was putting pressure on Ted Potter who was
Speaker 1: behind us, and he knew he was two strokes back,
Speaker 1: and he knew Eagle was going to be a game changer.
Speaker 1: And you know, Jason Day didn't care about anything else.
Speaker 1: He didn't care if he fell out of the top ten.
Speaker 1: He wanted to win. He wants to just get WS
Speaker 1: and make it into the Hall of Fame and win majors.
Speaker 1: And and he has that freewheeling mentality because you know,
Speaker 1: in all you know, defense to a guy like Troy Merritt,
Speaker 1: Jason Day has the bank. You know, he has that
Speaker 1: cushion to fall back on. It doesn't matter whereas Troy
Speaker 1: Merritt was coming down eighteen going, oh, dear God, you know,
Speaker 1: I need to make it in the top ten because
Speaker 1: this is a big check for me and it's a
Speaker 1: game changer for these guys. And so I don't know
Speaker 1: if people, you know, a regular fan watching on Sunday
Speaker 1: fully appreciates when you guys so eloquently kind of try
Speaker 1: to articulate, Hey, you know, it's hard to win, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to learn how to close out a tournament.
Speaker 1: It's hard to you know, when to just be a
Speaker 1: freewheeling guy when so much is on the line for
Speaker 1: these young men. Um and it is a big It's
Speaker 1: a big difference when you're a top ten player and
Speaker 1: you already have your you know, invite to the Masters,
Speaker 1: you already have. You know, there's so much on the
Speaker 1: line for these guys when they haven't won before. So
Speaker 1: how is your game right now? Are you played? You
Speaker 1: get to play it all right now because you're so busy.
Speaker 1: You've got to do press, you gotta do stuff like this.
Speaker 1: Are you getting a chance to get out at all?
Speaker 1: Or or are you pretty much locked in the A
Speaker 1: T and T. I to be honest, I played twenty
Speaker 1: seven yesterday. But this time of year is actually really
Speaker 1: good for me because, um, you know, we try to
Speaker 1: shut down around the holidays and things are pretty slow
Speaker 1: leading up to Pebble Beach. So this tournament is actually
Speaker 1: really well situated for my life before I get back
Speaker 1: into the Battelorette and things really explode. Um, it's it's
Speaker 1: in the spring into summer, you know, for example, the Masters.
Speaker 1: I if I haven't been in the United States for
Speaker 1: the Masters, and I don't know, fifteen years, maybe eighteen years.
Speaker 1: I'm always on the road watching the Masters at four
Speaker 1: am or god knows when. You know, in South Africa
Speaker 1: or Asia or whatever, and I have my devices and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, figure it out. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was on a plane when Tiger won and this
Speaker 1: last one, and I had I was streaming, So I
Speaker 1: had my iPad up. It's the middle of night. Do
Speaker 1: you know how they turn out the lights on the plane.
Speaker 1: Everybody's sleeping. I had like three devices hooked up, and
Speaker 1: I had Master's radio and that was streaming good. So
Speaker 1: I left my radio on um through my phone. Then
Speaker 1: I had my iPad in front of me, and I
Speaker 1: had something else in my computer up and I was
Speaker 1: trying to stream everything so at least one of them
Speaker 1: would capture the moment. And so I'm up like a lunatic,
Speaker 1: the only guy with his lights on in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night on this plane with tears and eyes
Speaker 1: as Tiger is winning the Masters. It was unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. I actually changed the flight I was at Augusta.
Speaker 1: I had an obligation on Saturday night. I was going
Speaker 1: to fly home real early on Sunday to get home
Speaker 1: in time, and they moved the tea times because of
Speaker 1: the weather, and so I had to change my flight.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm not leaving Augusta if this
Speaker 1: guy actually has a chance of winning a major, because
Speaker 1: I was I'll say this, I've said it a lot.
Speaker 1: I was at the front of the line on this guy.
Speaker 1: I'll never win again. And I am wrong, and I
Speaker 1: was happy to be wrong, and I will continue to
Speaker 1: be happy that I was wrong about that whole take.
Speaker 1: And uh, and I had to stay. I stayed there.
Speaker 1: And to see, by the way, it's not an indictment
Speaker 1: on Tiger or even doubt it. It It was just I mean,
Speaker 1: you and I had seen him, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if people really fully understand it's a miracle he could walk.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw him at times when he couldn't
Speaker 1: stand up straight, he couldn't sit in a chair, and
Speaker 1: the pain in agony this guy was in not as
Speaker 1: a golfer, but as a human being. Just I is
Speaker 1: worry he wasn't going to live a normal life. The
Speaker 1: fact that he went and run in Atlanta and run
Speaker 1: at Augusta. I don't think it's crazy to call it
Speaker 1: a miracle, and and to to have been around him
Speaker 1: a few times. He understands that now too. He gets
Speaker 1: the the fact that what happened and the things that
Speaker 1: had to come into play for him to win. It
Speaker 1: really was, you know, up there being a miracle and
Speaker 1: will he ever win again and be on this I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I honestly don't even care to have
Speaker 1: had those moments. Was just, you know, it's what sports
Speaker 1: is all about. You can't script that again, you know,
Speaker 1: to take a bachelor line like, you can't script that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And that's why we love sports. But
Speaker 1: you know, you weren't you weren't you know, a bad
Speaker 1: guy to think, hey, this guy is not gonna win again,
Speaker 1: because man, I mean the guy couldn't even stand up well,
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was on a flight and
Speaker 1: I've told this story a couple of times. I was
Speaker 1: on a flight to go to Northern California when he
Speaker 1: was making that return and napp uh and he pulled out.
Speaker 1: I believe he was supposed to play with Steph Curry
Speaker 1: and that was the big return and Fox sent me
Speaker 1: up there to write a story about it. In midflight,
Speaker 1: I was on the internet, you know, checking some stuff,
Speaker 1: and comes out the Tigers not playing again, and that
Speaker 1: was the time I kind of wrote, you know, this
Speaker 1: is it. I mean, if he can't play, doesn't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable play in a NAPA. He's probably not gonna feel
Speaker 1: comfortable playing in any big stage at this point, and
Speaker 1: obviously is not healthy enough. And you know what, I
Speaker 1: was wrong, and being wrong, it's totally okay anytime you are,
Speaker 1: especially for moments like that. I want to ask you
Speaker 1: a couple more things and I'll let you go. One
Speaker 1: is just you said you played twenty seven. What's the
Speaker 1: handicap currently? Um I am Pebble usually has me at
Speaker 1: at a ten. I think it's honestly, it's interesting that
Speaker 1: this new handicap system. And I had not talked to
Speaker 1: the tournament committee up there and the and the folks,
Speaker 1: you know how what they're going to do as far
Speaker 1: as the handicaps, because obviously the U. S G A
Speaker 1: and the system has changed, and most of our handicaps
Speaker 1: have gone up. I don't know if yours has, but
Speaker 1: mine went up a couple of strokes, so I don't
Speaker 1: know if all of a sudden I'm going to be
Speaker 1: uh an eleven or a twelve out there, but usually
Speaker 1: they have me at about a ten, and that's about right.
Speaker 1: That's that's about you know, I'm about a ten or eleven,
Speaker 1: depending on the day I've seen you hit it. I
Speaker 1: think I think I think twelve. Would you'd be a
Speaker 1: very uh, you'd be a much looked after partner if
Speaker 1: you were playing I would there would you need that cushioned?
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you know, it's one thing when you
Speaker 1: and I are out. You and I had the pleasure
Speaker 1: of playing right before the US Open. And how's your game?
Speaker 1: What are you? A plus three plus four? Oh? You know,
Speaker 1: I you know what. I keep shooting somewhere in the
Speaker 1: seventy three seventy four range, and for some reason, my
Speaker 1: handicap doesn't move. I don't really understand why I'm still
Speaker 1: a plus two, but I'm hoping that at some point
Speaker 1: it will adjust a little bit because I'd love to
Speaker 1: be a zero. Would be amazing not to give shots back.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, that's that's kind of that's kind of
Speaker 1: the purgatory world I'm living in currently. In the handicap
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Pebill, I want to has has your handicap
Speaker 1: changed all? You know? It's it kind of it kind
Speaker 1: of stayed the same. I could do in some scores.
Speaker 1: I had cards. I went to Bannon Dunes with a
Speaker 1: couple of buddies late last year and forgot to plug
Speaker 1: the scores, and so I plug those in and there
Speaker 1: are a couple of high winds in there in the
Speaker 1: windy days around Pacific. I was hoping that would do something.
Speaker 1: It didn't, and then i've I've I've shot. You know,
Speaker 1: I shot seventy four a couple of days ago and
Speaker 1: it didn't adjusted either. But I feel like the new
Speaker 1: system is supposed to adjust quicker. So hopefully if anything
Speaker 1: keeps going north of where I'm supposed to be, my
Speaker 1: number will get closer and closer to Z or that
Speaker 1: is at least what I'm what I'm what, I'm thank you.
Speaker 1: I just want to tell everybody when I'm a fifteen
Speaker 1: up at Pebble next month. Not my fault. It's just
Speaker 1: people are gonna be righting the columns about here, and
Speaker 1: you go out there and win the whole thing. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pull it, Larry Fitzgerald. I'm gonna win this thing
Speaker 1: by thirty strokes. So last question is is there a
Speaker 1: place you haven't gone golf wise that you want to go?
Speaker 1: Is there a course you haven't played, or or a
Speaker 1: destination that you want to take Some friends that you've
Speaker 1: never seen before. H two places I know all at three,
Speaker 1: but um, tart Over in New Zealand. Um, and I've
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go, I just haven't been able
Speaker 1: to make it. But tar Eat in New Zealand is
Speaker 1: now number two in the world outside the United States.
Speaker 1: I think number four in the world overall including the US,
Speaker 1: and from what I've heard from friends, it is just
Speaker 1: spectacular and an incredible experience. And so I want to
Speaker 1: get over to New Zealand in two tar ETI. Um,
Speaker 1: but I've never done the Old Course. I've never done St.
Speaker 1: Andrews and my friends all just went from the club
Speaker 1: and did a big trip. And again another place where
Speaker 1: I've been invited and I've had opportunities, I just haven't
Speaker 1: had the chance to actually pull it off. But um, clearly,
Speaker 1: you know, I know you've probably played it a dozen times,
Speaker 1: but I've never been over to the Old Course. Of
Speaker 1: all the places that I've i've played and I've had
Speaker 1: I've had the unbelievable honor of playing Augusta uh in
Speaker 1: you know, Pine Valley and Sage and some of these
Speaker 1: other places in the United States. But um, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never never been over the old course, and that's obviously
Speaker 1: on the bucket list. I mean, Chris, you're you're famous man,
Speaker 1: You're you're a famous guy. I gotta say it. You
Speaker 1: could get into the Alpha Dunhill. Just you gotta send
Speaker 1: the note to somebody. I mean, I could write, if
Speaker 1: I could write the draft for you. The Dunhill is
Speaker 1: right in the middle, and I believe it's October, uh,
Speaker 1: and it's right in the middle of Bachelor shooting. And
Speaker 1: I'm always again, it's kind of like going to the Masters.
Speaker 1: I've actually had the incredible honor of playing Augusta, but
Speaker 1: I've never been to the Masters because I'm always on
Speaker 1: the road and I get invited and I have amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, opportunities to go have Berkman's passes and have
Speaker 1: a house and all of this stuff, and I always
Speaker 1: have to decline. And it's just I'm sitting there somewhere
Speaker 1: at four in the morning in my pajamas, seething and
Speaker 1: knowing all my friends there and I'm not there. Um.
Speaker 1: But then again, you have to think, well, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: blessed because I have a damn good job. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: All right, last question, since you just said it, This
Speaker 1: was gonna be my first question, but we got into
Speaker 1: some other stuff. What's the worst part of your job?
Speaker 1: What's the part of your job? Job, and and and
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not going to give you this
Speaker 1: easy out. Travel. You can't say you can't stay on
Speaker 1: the road. Well, because I was gonna say, well, the
Speaker 1: problem is, I was gonna say, the greatest thing about
Speaker 1: my job is also probably the worst because of being
Speaker 1: a dad and having to be away and the travel
Speaker 1: and just being on the road. Is is and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't used to be like that, But I'll admit
Speaker 1: the older I get the it's a bit of a beating,
Speaker 1: as you know, being constantly on planes and traveling around
Speaker 1: the world. But at the same time it is an
Speaker 1: absolute blessing because I did not travel much when I
Speaker 1: was when I was a young man. But um, if
Speaker 1: I can't have travel, man, probably the hours now of
Speaker 1: you when we shoot, we shoot into some ungodly hours.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched the entire first episode,
Speaker 1: but you might. Yeah, you might notice the sun is
Speaker 1: up now when we do that final rose ceremony, and
Speaker 1: that not that didn't used to be the case. He
Speaker 1: used to be. We had this you know, idea of continuity,
Speaker 1: and we started night, We're gonna end at night. Now
Speaker 1: we're just somehow we broke into you know, dawn, and
Speaker 1: then we thought, well, if we're already shooting with the
Speaker 1: sun coming up, screw it. Why not just keep going
Speaker 1: until you know, eight o'clock in the morning. So it's
Speaker 1: a little depressing when you come home and your kids
Speaker 1: are going to school and you're just laying down to
Speaker 1: take a quick nap before you got to go back
Speaker 1: to work. But the hours are a lot tougher than
Speaker 1: they used to be. I'll admit, I'm assuming you're getting
Speaker 1: touched up at about four and five am whenever, whenever
Speaker 1: you got the back when I was twenty nine dirty,
Speaker 1: thirty one years old, and you know, we would shoot
Speaker 1: all night and I was up all night and I,
Speaker 1: you know, let's go, and I was all fired up
Speaker 1: and had the adrenaline going. Now, I will admit that
Speaker 1: somewhere in the night I go take a quick nap
Speaker 1: and there's some poor intern that has to wake me up,
Speaker 1: and like Mr Harrison, we you know, we gotta go,
Speaker 1: we gotta be ony. So yeah, there's there's definitely some
Speaker 1: touching up going on at five thirty six o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, is you got to get back on camera,
Speaker 1: Abs Louie, I, I uh. When we had the US
Speaker 1: Open at Oakmont, there was a weather delay and it
Speaker 1: was kind of throughout the week, so the schedule screwed up,
Speaker 1: you know, and so that we were having guys had
Speaker 1: to come out and finish the rounds early in the
Speaker 1: mornings and then there would be a big gap. And
Speaker 1: at that US Open, I was doing the interviews, and
Speaker 1: so Sunday morning, which obviously is Championship Sunday, you know,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the day we're finding the champion.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking to people that either one or
Speaker 1: lost the US Open. You know. I had to be
Speaker 1: there at about six am because I think Dustin was
Speaker 1: finishing his round and a couple of the other guys
Speaker 1: that were in the hunt, Shane Lowry and I did
Speaker 1: those interviews that you know, say A thirty or nine,
Speaker 1: and I actually went into the sauna at Oakmont, which
Speaker 1: had been converted into basically a storage shed. It took
Speaker 1: like a two and a half hour nap, and I said, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody at Oakmont A membership will ever know that that's on.
Speaker 1: It was a place for sleep for a little bit,
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? Though? There are places like that I
Speaker 1: always laugh about, like places I have taken naps or
Speaker 1: had to just sleep, you know, closets or the back
Speaker 1: that you know, and I always just laugh and you
Speaker 1: know it, or you know you're you're with crew members
Speaker 1: or whatever when we're all just trying to grab a
Speaker 1: moment to shut things down, because you know, we do
Speaker 1: work our butts off all around the world. You're tired
Speaker 1: and hot and dehydrate or whatever, and you just laugh.
Speaker 1: You look around like if if people can only see
Speaker 1: us now, you know, sleeping in the back of a
Speaker 1: truck or sleeping in this closet or in a sauna
Speaker 1: at Oak Mine, Like this is what we do. It's
Speaker 1: this is the glamorous life. Yeah, this is the beauty
Speaker 1: that so my my my wife's parents came to the
Speaker 1: Women's am in San Diego and you know, for people
Speaker 1: that don't know what a TV compound looks like for
Speaker 1: a sporting event, it's just trailer after trailer after trailer,
Speaker 1: truck after truck after truck, and it's basically finding, you know,
Speaker 1: any land that can hold all of this stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's usually somewhere around the around the golf course. But
Speaker 1: it's definitely not glamorous. That would be the term you
Speaker 1: would not use to describe what it looks like. And
Speaker 1: uh and and and my wife's mom had a common accent.
Speaker 1: I thought it. I thought it might be a little
Speaker 1: a little nicer than that. Yeah, I mean, truck's nice
Speaker 1: and the production rooms nice, but you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a dirt area where all the trailers apart. As
Speaker 1: I always tell people, everything in front of the camera
Speaker 1: is beautiful, everything behind it not so much. Well, Chris,
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. Last year you were hosting Real
Speaker 1: Golf Talk with Johnny Miller, a podcast that was great,
Speaker 1: a great listen. Are you guys gonna keep that going
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty. Well, I'm actually oddly uh you
Speaker 1: mentioned because I've been talking to Callaway. They want to
Speaker 1: do it. Uh, It's it's probably not gonna be with Johnny.
Speaker 1: It's we're debating on, you know, kind of rotating it
Speaker 1: through the kind of Callaway list of stars and have
Speaker 1: different golfers each week. But I want to do it,
Speaker 1: and they still want to do it. We just have
Speaker 1: to figure out, um, you know, how Callowe wants to
Speaker 1: approach it. But I loved it. Uh you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, I could sit here and talk golf all day.
Speaker 1: It's uh my passion. I'm doing it anyway, and it's
Speaker 1: it's fun to actually just do a passion project like that.
Speaker 1: So hopefully So okay, we'll keep our eye out for
Speaker 1: it and uh and when it comes up whoever it
Speaker 1: comes up with, we'll we'll send it out on our
Speaker 1: channels as well. That's Chris Harrison. Watch The Bachelor, it's
Speaker 1: great TV. And watch the A T and T Pebble
Speaker 1: Beach Pro am. He might win this year if he's
Speaker 1: a fourteen handicap. Windham Clark, keep an eye on Windham Clark.
Speaker 1: That's that's my parts this year, Windham Clark and Chris Harrison.
Speaker 1: I feel like that sounds like a champion. You get
Speaker 1: your name right there by the first team. If you
Speaker 1: ever win it, that would be an accomplishment, right could
Speaker 1: you imagine that? Well? Windom and Windom and I were
Speaker 1: in the same group last year and became friends. He
Speaker 1: played with Joe Don Rooney and Jodan had to move
Speaker 1: on and play with Kevin Chapple. So Dub and I
Speaker 1: have teamed up, and uh, he's he's a tough, tough
Speaker 1: beat there at Pebble. He loves that track. That'll be fun.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch. Thanks again, I appreciate the time. Alright, Shane,
Speaker 1: take care, Bud. It looks like I'm arect A big
Speaker 1: thanks to Chris Harrison for jumping on and chatting. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the conversation. Thought it was a lot of fun.
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