1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noled, and they 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: called me Ben. We are joined, as always with our 7 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: super producer, Paul mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Paul, can we have some 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: raucous applause? That's right, fellow conspiracy realist, The time has 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: finally come, According to some. On June one, just a 12 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: few days ago, as we record this episode, the US 13 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: government released a document with the incredibly unappealing name Preliminary 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Assessment colon Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. This is a look, look, look, 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: I know it's a it's an annoying title in that 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: it's just so, But think I think about what that means, 17 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: you guys, what it's actually saying. Yeah, it's saying Preliminary 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: assessment UFOs. It's it's it's a nine page publicly available 19 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: analysis that you can read right now if you lived 20 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: in the US you paid for a small part of it. 21 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: This looks at a lot of phenomenon that was previously 22 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: considered rumor, tall tales, internet bs. In short, it's the 23 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: thing ufologists have dreamed of for decades and decades, something 24 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: called disclosure. We have earlier episodes on this a plenty. 25 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: We even have a limited series that we're releasing to 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: focus on this topic. In today's episode as well as 27 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: in this mini series, we asked just what exactly is 28 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: in this report and whether when it comes to UFOs, 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: there's something the government still doesn't want you to know 30 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, The answer is yes. Here are the facts. 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: First things first, this is new, but it's not really new. Yeah. Um, 32 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, if read along, it's good light be trade 33 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: if you wish. But it's not the first time in 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: the United States that we've investigated unidentified flying objects, which 35 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: are now referred to as the quite less sexy Unidentified 36 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: aerial Phenomena or u A p UM. The United States 37 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: has investigated reports like this in the past, with things 38 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: like Project Bluebook. For example, Man, I know that's one 39 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: of your favorites, especially of the old video series. Oh 40 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: for certain. Project blue Book was a secret study that 41 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: was being done. There was no congressional report. It wasn't 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: even twenty pages, it wasn't one page. It was just 43 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: a It was a thing that was created behind closed doors. 44 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: It was studying these very things, these unidentified aerial phenomena. 45 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: The United States Air Force were the folks behind that one. 46 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: It went from March of nineteen fifty two to December 47 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty nine. So it had quite a quite 48 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: a nice little run there. Um. But guess what that 49 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: also wasn't the first time they looked at UFOs, right, 50 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: So to be clear, Project blue Book was some of 51 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: the encounters that the public had with researchers for Project 52 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Blue Book doubtlessly lent credence to the legends of the 53 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: Men in Black, you know, because someone who is vaguely 54 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: with the government really wants to follow up on that 55 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: thing you said on the radio or that thing you 56 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: told the local paper about. And then their ghosts they vanished. 57 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Maybe decades later you learn about the small role you 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: played in this. That's because you've been mind erased, right well, 59 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, uh, the the government at the time, I 60 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: regret to say, their ability to erase things from consciousness 61 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: has hasn't reached sci fi level. Yet the best way 62 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: to do it is through propagand O wag the dog. 63 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: They can erase things from public consciousness, but they're they're 64 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: always individuals who get by until you know something goes 65 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: awry with them. Right, it's just a matter of repeating 66 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: the same story enough times where people just forget the 67 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: true story. Yeah again, well, as far as we know, 68 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: they don't have that tech right right, as far as 69 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: we know. So, Like you said, Matt, this was not 70 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: the first investigation of its type. It came on the 71 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: heels of two similar studies, Projects sign In, and then 72 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: its successor, Project Grudge, in nineteen forty nine. Funny story, 73 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: Projects sign was initially called Project Saucer All Caps, but 74 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: that might have been a little too on the nose 75 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: for Uncle Sam, especially because they were trying to keep 76 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: it under wraps. Grudge is so a s of though. 77 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: What's that about? Well, dude, think about what happened in 78 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: nineteen a little thing called Roswell. I don't know what 79 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about. How cool is it that there were 80 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: official United States Air Force studies and you know, just 81 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: government studies in general about UFOs right after the Roswell crash, 82 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: alleged crash right right, right uh, an alleged weather balloon, 83 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: or depending on who you ask, So yeah, you're right. 84 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: These two earlier investigations Sign and Grudge. They're not as 85 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: well known as Blue Book or this most recent U 86 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: A P assessment, but they did establish an incredibly important precedent. 87 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: The government decided that whatever the hell was going on 88 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: in the sky, military intelligence had to investigate it, because 89 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: we have to remember, these are the days of the 90 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: Cold War. Both the USA and the USSR are intensely concerned, 91 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: terrified that their rivals might gain a technological edge, especially 92 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: if it's one significant enough to decide the fate of 93 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: human civilization overall. And this was not an invalid fear. 94 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: This was very well informed paranoia. But for us to 95 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: understand this new report, we have to look a little 96 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: bit further into the context of these existing things, right 97 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: like this is being this report is being called unprecedented, 98 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: and in some ways it is, but it comes from 99 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: this lineage of the sometimes contentious governmental military perspective on 100 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: these inexplicable things. Like you can see some common assumptions 101 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: as well as some conclusions. Blue Book did a lot 102 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: more than the current report and the earlier two reports. 103 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: They collected over twelve thousand purported UFO sightings and they 104 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: did something a lot of these papers do, which is valid. 105 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: They conclude the majority of these events can be chalked 106 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: up to misunderstood now troll phenomena or to uh, misidentified aircraft. 107 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: You know, maybe you just haven't seen a lot of planes, dude. 108 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Isn't that largely where we're at with the current report? 109 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Or I don't mean to be spoiler, no, actually, uh no. 110 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: And and the other thing here is that those twelve reports, 111 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: one of the reasons there are so many is because 112 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: they're collecting reports from everyone from a police officer that 113 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: saw something to a bystander on a farm somewhere in 114 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: a city somewhere, who are not military personnel. And that 115 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: is very different from what's being looked at in the 116 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: current report because those are military officials usually fair enough 117 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: and um so some according to this report, there had 118 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: there may have been some secret aircraft that might have 119 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: played a role, and the US has owned secret spy planes. 120 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: The A twelve and the U two might have also 121 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: been mistaken for UFOs. I mean they're oddly shaped, they're 122 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: very untraditional looking aerial crafts, so that would make sense. 123 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: But a grand total of seven one reports were classified 124 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: as unexplained, with a few pretty notable caveats. Yeah. The 125 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: funny thing to me there is, I think it's so 126 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: odd about the you two in the eight twelve is 127 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: that the US managed to scare the out of itself 128 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: with its own things, which is, you know, a positive 129 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: statement for their operational security. But to those caveats you mentioned, 130 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the uh, yeah, they're very very careful in blue Book 131 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: to say there is no evidence that these sightings we 132 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: categorize as unidentified at present represent technological developments or principles 133 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: beyond the range of modern scientific knowledge. That is going 134 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: to be hugely important later on in the episode. Uh, 135 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: there's also they say no evidence that any of these 136 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: unidentified sightings were extra restrial vehicles. They went far enough 137 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: in that report too. That's one of the closest official 138 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: documents that mentions the E word or the A word, 139 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: and it's almost like it's only there to dispel speculation. Well, 140 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: and they're being very careful with what they're saying. They're 141 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: saying there is no evidence to conclude that right that 142 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: these were extra terrestrials. Um, so they weren't able to. 143 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: It's it's not as though they're saying none of these 144 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: were extraterrestrials. They're saying, we have no evidence that would 145 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: point to that, right, and think about what that would mean, Like, 146 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: how would you actually have evidence that one of these 147 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: things is extraterrestrial craft. You would have to have like 148 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: photographic imagery of something close enough to prove that or what. 149 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: You have to have a chain of custody of some 150 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: kind to prove the providence of the craft that you're 151 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: looking at and say that's, yeah, that's a good observation. 152 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: You have to have extraordinary evidence to back up the 153 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: extraordinary claims. So uh, you would need something like a 154 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: photograph of something that was clearly intelligent and non human. 155 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Picture your favorite variety of alien furies, scaly, gray, big headed, 156 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: we don't care, wearing a T shirt that says Earth 157 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: Girls are easy? Why not? It's an okay film, but 158 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't hold up. And then they'd be standing next 159 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: to the president at the time holding a newspaper with 160 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: the date the photograph was taken. You know, you eat. 161 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying you neat a lot of stuff. Those are 162 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: the furries right, the furies where the aliens question? Right? Oh, 163 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: and that movie didn't come out on Earth until like 164 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: the eighties, so that guys traveling through space for like, 165 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, these many years before we got it. You 166 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: guys are having a lot of fun with this. But 167 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: I am I mean a little serious when to say 168 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: you would need to have a photograph of a ship 169 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: that showed writing or some kind of technology that you 170 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: could prove wasn't generally aided on the Earth. How do 171 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: you do that? I don't think a photograph would do it. 172 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: I think are physical evidence of a mechanism like a 173 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: crash in Roswell, New Mexico anyway, but if that were 174 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: an alien crash, that would be helpful. Well it's what 175 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: we think about in terms of like an alien autopsy 176 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: type situation or like really having you know, a physiological 177 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: artifact from said crash that we can dissect and then 178 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, filter through science and then say, okay, we 179 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: don't this doesn't exist. You know, we we can compare 180 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: this to like a mongoose or whatever, and we we 181 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: do not have anything that represents this particular species or 182 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, d NA strain or whatever. Again, I'm not. 183 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm not, but yeah, we're all agreeing with the same 184 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: with the same thing I think, which is you would 185 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: need to have physical evidence of some sort. One other 186 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: thing that could be tremendously useful that sci fi authors 187 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: speculate on occasionally would be element that do not exist 188 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: on our current periodic table. The most profound of those 189 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: would be would be elements that are known as it's 190 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: a hypothetical thing. No one's proven it yet, but there's 191 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: this possibility people have speculated about that says there's an 192 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: expanded periodic table. Right, if we knew everything in the universe, 193 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: there would be an expanded periodic table. The vast majority 194 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: of those heavier things are unstable elements, right, They exist 195 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: for a very short amount of time. But there may 196 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: be what's described as an island of stability where there 197 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: are elements we would not recognize that are super super dense, 198 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: but there's somehow not instantly just exploding again and there 199 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: would be around for you know, maybe days or so. 200 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: That would be proof. Yeah, isn't that something along the 201 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: lines of what we have in the work of our 202 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: buddy Jeremy Kenyan Lacierre corbell Um, who did a film 203 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: called Patient seventeen, and there was an issue in that 204 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: that was addressed about a gentleman that claimed to have 205 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: been abducted or or you know, contacted in some way 206 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: by extradrestrials and had some sort of embedded piece of 207 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: shrapnel in his body that was supposedly, according to the 208 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: film and the reporting, some unidentified elements. Right. But yeah, 209 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: but again, as we as we always have to say 210 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: when we talked about this sort of stuff, unidentified doesn't 211 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: mean unprecedented, unfortunately, you know. But but yeah, do check 212 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: out that documentary. Would love to hear your thoughts on it, folks. 213 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: As as the years wound on since the Blue Book days, 214 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: more and more and since it was to classify, more 215 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: and more people embellished this tale where they claimed it 216 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: was a red herring to distract folks from any number 217 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: of alleged unproven conspiracies, such as the wonderful story of 218 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: m J twelve, Majestic twelve, the purp worded secret organization 219 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: of scientists, tycoons and top minds who met with the 220 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: President learned aliens were real and tried to figure out 221 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: how to deal with that in secret. That is such 222 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: a cool story I love it. I love that one. 223 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: But so it seemed like consigned to history books, right, 224 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: an anomaly, a good history channel special every so often. 225 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: But something must have changed. Blue Book sign and Grudge 226 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: didn't stop because reports stopped. They stopped for other reasons, 227 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: like the inability to find hard proof for their detractors 228 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: or the lack of further information or analysis. They all 229 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: ended up kind of shrugging their shoulders at the end. 230 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: But then in two thousand and seven, the government resumed 231 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: investigating UFOs through the formation of something Just folks, heads up, 232 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna be a lot of acronyms here. We're sorry. 233 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: That's government writing, not us. The formation is something called 234 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program or a tip HIPS. 235 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Almost sounds like the a ARP or something that it's 236 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: not a couple of letters off from that. It's like that, yeah, exactly, 237 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: created by then Senator pre Senate Majority leader rather Harry Reid, 238 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: and he had some help from some other colleagues, Senator 239 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: Ted Stevens and Daniel and Neuiller. This is interesting because 240 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: the two party system was still pretty divided at this time, obviously, 241 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: perhaps not as much as it is in the current day. 242 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: But this was a bipartisan initiative. There were people on 243 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: both sides of the Aisland probably didn't agree with each 244 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: other about much much of anything, but they did say, Okay, 245 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: let's let's figure out what's going on. Uh, and we've 246 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: got to. We've got a neat little retrospective clip here 247 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: from Harry himself, Matt that you found when I started 248 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: talking about this years ago, people made fun of me, 249 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: and I think even my own staff thought I was 250 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: crazy and talking about it. But in hindsight, I'm glad 251 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: I did. So. Yeah, he's same pretty explicitly that he 252 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: encountered some stigma for his interest, and stigma will also 253 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: become important and at three of the Today's episode, And 254 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: and just to point out, it's because since nineteen sixty nine, 255 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: from that point up until two thousand and seven, it 256 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: was very much treated like this is a sci fi concept, 257 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: this is fiction. It's there's no reason to put any 258 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: kind of time or money into this whole thing with 259 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomena or UFOs or whatever you wanna call it. 260 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: E t s aren't real. Let's just move on from 261 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: sixty nine to two thousand seven. And then if you know, 262 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: a group of senators who represent us, who do we 263 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: vote for, went in and just they did it. Man's 264 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: pretty that's pretty cool. They also did it because um, 265 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: a great deal of Congress is run by a private 266 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: financial interest. Yeah. There's a best a billionaire you're you're 267 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: familiar with if you've been, if you've been in the 268 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: world of ufology, named Robert Bigelow, and he's the one 269 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: who put the hard sell on read Did you talking 270 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: about Robert Bigelow, male billionaire? Yeah? Yeah, and UF a enthusiast. 271 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: This group, the formation of this group plants his seed, 272 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: and that seed later grows into the strange report that 273 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: just came out a few days ago. Interesting note, you've 274 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: probably seen interviews with people like Louise Alazando and so on, 275 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: and he was running He was running this for quite 276 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: a while, and he is, to his credit, he's pretty 277 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: transparent about what he did, what the program did, and 278 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: where he thinks things could be improved or what lessons 279 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: were learned. But his program, this program was not really 280 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't classified classified because Alzando can freely talk about it. 281 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: But it adds zero publicity and it operated in obscurity 282 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: until two thousand and twelve official Asando is such a 283 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: fascinating dude. Can I get just take a second to 284 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: apologize from my Deuce Bigelow reference that was inappropriate? And uh? 285 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: I offered my humble Mia Kolpa for that one. Are 286 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: you apologizing to Deuce or I'm apologizing to the listeners? Uh? 287 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: And to both you and Matt and superducer Paul mission 288 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: Control Deckend And I mean, Rob Schneider is a pretty 289 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: approachable guy. I think you think so. I think it 290 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: would be fine. Yeah, but what if he's an animal mode? 291 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: What if he's like, you know, thinks he's a cheetah 292 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: or something. You know, I wouldn't want to approach that. 293 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Just let him get it out of his system and 294 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: then you know, you get and then d esco late 295 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: and have a conversation. But keep us in, keep us 296 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: in the loop on this. We got your back. So 297 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve it information started to come to light. 298 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: I remember how excited we were when we're starting to 299 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: hear whisperings about this, But again, it wasn't until five 300 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: years later, I think December. That's when the d o D, 301 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: the Department of Defense came forward and said, yes, there 302 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: is a thing as part of a defense program that 303 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: collects data on these UFO sightings by military personnel. And 304 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: despite the fact that we got rid of this thing 305 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: that Harry Reid started back in the day, yes, um, 306 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: we're still looking into this thing. We're still interested in it. 307 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: And that's what led to this thing called the this 308 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: group called the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force or the 309 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: are you the like the from the dream? Yes? Uh? 310 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: That you like is coming back in style. They're the 311 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: folks that made this report. Uh. This this is the 312 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: context of this is the context from which this report spraying. 313 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: And so when we look at when we look at 314 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: the newest release, it is crucial that we do not 315 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: look at it as a single paper and I'm playing 316 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of a trick on us here, uh, 317 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: but instead look at it as a new chapter in 318 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: a very very long story. And with all that in mind, 319 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: it is time to ask what's in this report? We'll 320 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: tell you afterward from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. 321 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: There are actually two reports. You can only read one 322 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: unless you are a member of Congress. One of them 323 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: is classified was only given to Congress. So what you're 324 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: what you're hearing about when you're reading the news or 325 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: listening to shows like this is, in fact, that second 326 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: declassified report. It's like we said, it's only nine pages. 327 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: It's brevity has been a source of contention in the 328 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: UFO community. And when we say the UFO community, we're 329 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: talking about a huge swath of opinions perspectives, from die 330 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: hard proponents of specific narratives to hardcore skeptics of anything 331 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: that bears a whiff of woo, which is in the 332 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: skeptic world, wo is what you call nonsense, a woo 333 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: whiff you say whiff woo? Yes, okay? Who this makes 334 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: me think of like, I'm sorry to go pop culture analogy, 335 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: but like Frank Ocean like had this record that he 336 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: was supposed to release and it was gonna be this 337 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: big record for the label that he was on. So 338 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: instead he released this kind of underwhelming sort of arts 339 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: record and then that like fulfilled his contract, and then 340 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: the next week he at least the real one, which 341 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: was blonde um and it kind of got him sued. 342 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: But it's a it's it's pretty clever. It's like it's 343 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: like here, you guys, here's some red meat for you, you 344 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, glom onto this for a minute, and then 345 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: we'll release the real one later. But in this case, 346 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that holds up, because I don't know 347 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: they'll ever release the one that only Congress gets to see, 348 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: probably not for a long time. There may be a 349 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: redactive version somewhere down the line. But so this declassified 350 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: version refers to a hundred and forty four total cases, 351 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: so far fewer cases than blue Book, but you know 352 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: blue Book was longer, uh, and eighty of these cases 353 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: there are there's corroboration from multiple sensors, so the technology 354 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: is agreeing at least in part with the account of 355 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: an eye witness. Yeah, exactly, that's the most important part corroborated. 356 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: That's mind blowing and exciting, and it's unfortunately somewhat deflated 357 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: by the rest of the report. Just that fact alone 358 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: just kind of it shrinks like a balloon that's losing 359 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: air but and then falls over New Mexico. Anyway, but 360 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: there's I would say there's juicier stuff here too, because 361 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: there were at least eleven incidents or eleven side in 362 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: this report where American jets like warplanes almost hit unknown 363 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: objects while in the air mid air collisions. These things, 364 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: these these planes, by the way, are designed to be 365 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: nimble and fast, as fast, literally as as agile as 366 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: we can make them. We be the US government, and 367 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: equally as furious, right right, and these things ye, and 368 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: these things got they almost I'm cursing a lot in 369 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: this episode, but they almost got their shocked by something 370 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: that they couldn't identify. And remember, this group is only 371 00:23:54,600 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: studying reports coming from US military personnel or the intelligence community. 372 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: So these are highly qualified people who are making that 373 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: initial eye witness report, and then to have them backed 374 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: up by you know, some sensors, and then also to 375 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: have the witness say, who again is ridiculously qualified, say 376 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: I almost got hit by something I could not identify. 377 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: This is a step above civilian UFO reports calling into 378 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: the local radio station. It's seven steps, seventh order of magnitude, 379 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: more significant as the furious seven steps. So, perhaps most importantly, 380 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: in eighteen of these HUDT four cases, the objects sited 381 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: this this is another huge piece from my perspective. The 382 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: objects sited appear to have unusual flight characteristics. And why 383 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: is that important? Well, it doesn't necessarily mean aliens obviously, 384 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: the word alien does not occur in this in this report, instead, 385 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: it indicates the possibility of extant technology beyond the understanding 386 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: of the U. S. Military, which is the world's most 387 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: dangerous sophisticated known military force. And until the military knows 388 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: who created this, the nation as a whole is left 389 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: in a tremendously frightening position, which is interesting and then 390 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: such a differentiation from what we can typically kind of 391 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: write some of these sightings off as which is technology 392 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: that the military is very aware of but the civilians 393 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: are not aware of. This is again quite a few 394 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: cuts above that, like shoe feet just so there these 395 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: there these shoes to make it look like you're barefoot 396 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: to because like somebody might say, like, oh, who's run 397 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: off after this crime that this stamp heist, Like it 398 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: can't be that guy, he's barefoot. They still won't give 399 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: you service. Are you gonna have chest shirt? Next? Ben? 400 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: Was this? It's like you're also actually wearing your shirt, 401 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: but it looks like it just seems counterintuitive to But 402 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: I support you to the basses. It's not me, man, 403 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: It's not me. It's Uncle Sam. I'm just predicted. Now, guys, 404 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: stay tuned. Three crotch. Crotch pants are coming. Watch out. 405 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: It's not like it's not going to be It's either 406 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: is going to be exactly what you expected or not 407 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: at all what you expect, and both will be frightening. 408 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: We still'll be able to have a whole outfit, the 409 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: whole naked outfit and be fully clothed. So did you 410 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: help develop cyberpunk? I feel like you helped to do 411 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: that in some way, the concept of crotch pants really Wow, 412 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about the famous Hangdong glitch. It's I think 413 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: it's a feature for a lot of people. At this point. 414 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: That was codenamed doc Holiday. That was that was her 415 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: research credit where it's do uh yeah, right, you're you're 416 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: absolutely right. There could be there doubtlessly is we know 417 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: for a factor's technology the US government possesses and multiple 418 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: other governments possessed that their public is not aware of. 419 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: And that doesn't necessarily mean it's all hazy or it's 420 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: all nefarious. It could just be a few years ahead 421 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: of you know, the kind of smartphone you can buy today, 422 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: slightly bigger thumb drive than we have available on the 423 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: market currently. Well, the real question here is whether or 424 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: not there are um compartmentalized parts of the government that 425 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: have technology that is far beyond what the US government 426 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: as a whole knows exists. Right, So we're glad you 427 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: said that. Right. People writing this report may have no 428 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: idea that some smaller group of R and D experts 429 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: have created something revolutionary that is so secret because it's 430 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: so dangerous, because it's compartmentalized by design to hide from 431 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: certain you know, officials that would maybe compromise the operation. Potentially, 432 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: compartmentalized intelligence is a real thing. It's what fiction refers 433 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: to when it says a need to know basis. So 434 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: it's possible that there's some kind of thing like skunk 435 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: works in the mix here, um, and we'll get to that. 436 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you had that, man. The assessment is 437 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: doing its best to lay out groundwork assumptions, right, ground 438 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: floor assumptions, i should say, before they go to the sky. 439 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: And one of those. One of those is the idea 440 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: that all of these sightings have multiple explanations, and if 441 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: you look at them overall, you can't find one silver bullet. 442 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: Not everything was a deflating weather balloon, just as not 443 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: everything was you know, um ice crystals, so they too 444 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: get their heads around this. They group the sightings into 445 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: several broad categories, and we'll we'll walk through those briefly 446 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: with a direct quote from the report describing them. Number one, 447 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: this is the one they lead off with airborne clutter. 448 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: That's exactly what it sounds like. Although personally, for my money, 449 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: as the taxpayer, I wish they used the phrase sky 450 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: trash trash trash. This is not space trash. This is 451 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: sky trash, sky trash, so it's not operating in a 452 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: zero G situation. So where is this trash being launched 453 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: from and who is responsible? Well, many of them launched 454 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: from trees, as as it has in birds because birds 455 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: were included. And the sky trash that really checks for me, 456 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: really really tracks for me. I was thinking, like Scott, 457 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: I've I had a friend used to call pigeons sky rats. 458 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: I also think sky trash could be a great name 459 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: for a like a reality show once people start living 460 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: in a permanent airborne environment, you know, don't kid, let's 461 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: look kid ourselves. People would watch it. Eighties cartoon or 462 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: early nineties cartoons silver Hawks, remember hawks? Yeah, yeah, it 463 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: was different era cartoons. But we we have the exact 464 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: quote describing what they mean when they foolishly chose airborne 465 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: clutter over skytrash. Yeah, let's do that quickly. These objects 466 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: include bird balloons. That checks out, right, balloons, We've seen that. 467 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: That's sky trash, recreational unmanned aerial vehicles, and that's not 468 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: really trash. That's somebody's investment in hobby airborne debris like 469 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: plastic bags. That's so beautiful, So beautiful though. I mean, yes, 470 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: that muddle is seen and can affect an operator's ability 471 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: to identify true targets, such as an enemy aircraft just 472 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: flying plastic bags over the Pacific Ocean. So subhetting subheading 473 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: for this, people are filthy. Yeah, we managed to put 474 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: trash in the sky. Yeah, I mean, there's certainly trash 475 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: in the sea. Why shouldn't there be trash on the sky. 476 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: Then we head into the slightly science e or sounding 477 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: natural atmospheric phenomenon, which would be you know weather, Yes, yes, 478 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: it would be weather. It's it's a kind of miscellaneous 479 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: category for a bunch of phenomenon that's already understood by science. 480 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: In importantly, and this is this is in defense of 481 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: the witnesses. Importantly, in some cases this kind of stuff 482 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: can be pretty rare, you know, like ball lightning for instances, 483 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: somewhat rare. You know, it's it's freaky if you actually 484 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: see it. So this ups the likelihood of some of 485 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: these things, not all, but some of these things being misidentified. Yes, 486 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: and we have another quote for this one as well. Quote. 487 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: Natural atmospheric phenomena includes ice crystals, moisture, and thermal fluctuations 488 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: that may register on some infrared and radar systems. Again 489 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: a k A weather. Yeah, but as a thermal fluctuation 490 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: going to be noticed by a pilot, it depends on 491 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: the machinery he's flying with, right, or the equipment I 492 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: guess so. But it's just in many of these cases, 493 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: we know that a witness statement has a lot to 494 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: do with what's reported, and there's generally or in many cases, 495 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: I guess that's not true. I was going to say, 496 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: in many cases the pilot is report seeing something, But 497 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: again there are other cases where a pilot is reporting 498 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: noticing something, like you said, on a radar that a 499 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: thermal pocket may actually see. So waiting at quick question, 500 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: you can't see an infrared No, not yet. I'm going 501 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: to keep going to predator school. Dude, You'll you'll eventually 502 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: don't feel bad. Dude. You know I'm color blind. I'm 503 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: just winging it at traffic lights, so I hear you. 504 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, ocular implants are definitely on my list, you know, 505 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: So we'll see that's what you think. You have to 506 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: think about that now that LASIC is freely available for people, like, 507 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: is it the like, what a kick in the pants 508 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: If you get LASI and then these new kick ass 509 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: ocular implants coming, well, they'll probably be ad supported. It's 510 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: certainly in the more extreme version of buying the latest 511 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: like video game system and then a newer, better one 512 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: comes out. Oh my god, may get flear sick. That's 513 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: the latest surgery with I talked about that on the 514 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: last UH Listener Mail episode. Fleair the company that makes 515 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: these cameras that are a lot smaller than you would think, 516 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: and potentially they've got another line in the works that 517 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: can go right into your eyeballs. Um, what do we 518 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: have next on the list though, guys? Yeah, this is 519 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: this is a pretty well done segue. We're talking tech 520 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: and we're also going back to the point you brought 521 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: up earlier at the third category, is U s g 522 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: u S government or industry developmental programs. Now it's getting 523 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: a little more juicy, they say, quote, some u A 524 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: P observations could be attributable to developments and classified programs 525 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: by US entities. We were unable to confirm, however, that 526 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: these systems accounted for any of the u A reports 527 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: we collected, Meaning that this is the beginning of one 528 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: of the asks from from the report, because the report 529 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: is asking for stuff just as it's um, just as 530 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: it's concluding some things, and so they're building a case 531 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: for these asks will get from these questions, These demands 532 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: will get to at the end, and not demands request. 533 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: Is this referring to like R and D for corporations 534 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: that aren't government related? Is that what this is implying? Quite, 535 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: It's we have to be careful of the language. It's 536 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: not not saying that. It's not not saying that like 537 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: Wendy's or McDonald's has a secret blimp program. Oh no, 538 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: be blimpy. How did I admittend know we're keeping it 539 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: in we're keeping in it. It would be blimpy though 540 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: for the record, I mean, but yeah, you're right, this 541 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: could mean, um, this could mean a non governmental entity. 542 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: But they're they're probably without reading too uch and too intent, 543 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: they're probably referring to the existence of classified R and 544 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: D with places like Lockheed or other private public partnerships 545 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: or private slash government partnerships. And what they're saying is 546 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: it is possible that they ran into one or more 547 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: classified projects concerning technology most people don't know about yet, 548 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: and if those projects exist, whoever runs them did not 549 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: think this was important enough to reveal their existence. Oh, 550 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: you compromise their secrecy. Listen to that. We were unable 551 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: to confirm again, Okay, you were unable to confirm that. Yeah, 552 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: that's not You're not You're not saying anything here. Do 553 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: you think this is one of the more telling passages 554 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: in the report? It is one of them. Yeah, it 555 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: is one. I just love to picture, like someone someone 556 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: calling on the phone to some shadowy like shadowy office 557 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: building or warehouse somewhere and they're like, Hello, this is 558 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: blah blah blah from you. Uh, can you can you confirm? 559 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: Can you confirm that citing number one thirty two is 560 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: indeed evidence of Project Shoe Feet And then they're like 561 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: wrong number, click, that could have happened. Probably not with Shoefie, 562 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: but it could have happened. But we also know that 563 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: the government can get all up in your business if 564 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: you have a patent that threatens national security, right or 565 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: or so. It's interesting that they didn't go further into that. Well, 566 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about one of the reasons why you 567 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: and I and Ben and everybody else don't get to 568 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: know everything that exists in this report. Sure, yeah, I 569 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: mean by necessity, you could say the government has to 570 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: treat members of its own public sometimes as though they 571 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: themselves are agents of foreign powers. It's an ugly necessity, 572 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: but it's true. And that brings us to the fourth 573 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: category they have. This is probably one of the more 574 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: frightening ones, foreign adversary systems. This is like, this is 575 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: what politicians like Marco Rubio we're talking about, and then 576 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: rightly frightens a lot of people. They say, specifically some 577 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomena, maybe technologies deployed by China, Russia, another nation, 578 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: or a non her mental entity. I should have mentioned 579 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: that earlier, such a tricky phrase. Non governmental entity literally 580 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: anything that is not one of the hundred nineties seven 581 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: something recognized un nations. That's a lot of stuff. That's 582 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: stuff like uh, you know, um that stuff like you 583 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: know Lever, that's what. Yeah, whatever. The biggest companies you 584 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: can think of are any of the private space companies 585 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: that specifically what I'm thinking about. Oh yeah, it's a 586 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: really good point. Map. Yeah, that's a great point. And 587 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: so why is this disturbing? Well, it's because the US 588 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: spends a ton of money, blood and time trying to 589 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: stay as up to date as possible and the capabilities 590 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: of rival powers, and we're not like, go back to 591 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: our phone call. Example. This isn't just a case of 592 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: some some asset calling US authorities, right, somebody who's like 593 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: working at a factory somewhere else and calling authorities and saying, hey, 594 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: so and so has invented a new kind kind of 595 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: ballistic missile, a new kind of i cb M, so 596 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: watch out. It's more along the lines of a bunch 597 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: of different people in the in the U S intelligence 598 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: ecosystem saying like, hey, we've been monitoring this professor's work, 599 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: their latest research, their recent travel, and we also noticed 600 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: and they start to do it kind of a Charlie 601 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: Day thing. We've also noticed that there's an increase in 602 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: imports of you know whatever, and a retooling of this 603 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: factory that had previously been mothballed and inserted this fact 604 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: and this fact and this fact, and then they corroberate 605 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: it and they say, we predict Country X is working on, 606 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, a ballistic missile of blah blah blah type, 607 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: and unless we do anything, they're gonna have a prototype 608 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: in about two years. It's predictive. That's how the system 609 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: is supposed to work. Yeah, that's that's not terrifying. I 610 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: mean it's also comforting, but it's terrifying. It's comforted ter 611 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: arra tear tearum thing for never mind, we will work 612 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: on this later. Um. Yeah. No. It reminds me of 613 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: like I guess, the idea and maybe this is more 614 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: the private industry thing, but I picture like a scientist, 615 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: like a rogue scientist working on something in a lab 616 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: and the government gets wind of it, and then the 617 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: men in black come and take him away, you know, 618 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: like will a Wilhelm Reich type situation. The idea that 619 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: he's working on some sort of mystical rainmaking machine that 620 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: could threaten uh, you know, the government in somewhere. Yeah, exactly. 621 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: And this. This means that if there is a earthly 622 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: technology made by a foreign power, and it's something that 623 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: remains inexplicable after repeated direct observation, it doesn't seem to 624 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: be deterred by any conventional countermeasures, then that means there 625 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: would have been innumerable indicators of the research and the 626 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: construction leading up to those observations. So that means multiple 627 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: agencies would have had to miss some pretty blatant signals 628 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: over a fairly long period of time. And if that's true, 629 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: then that means we have no idea what else that 630 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: enemy power could be working on. And this point right here, 631 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: these foreign adversary systems, this is why there's any money 632 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: for for this to be written. This is why anyone 633 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: in the government and military and intelligence community is actually 634 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: interested in these reports. It's because of the potential for 635 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: that situation that Ben just described. Yeah, exactly right. That's 636 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: what a lot of people who have looked me absolutely 637 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: not believe in the existence of extra terrestrials or the 638 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: existence of other non human intelligent life. This is the 639 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: thing that keeps those folks up at night. But this 640 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: isn't the end of the report. We're gonna pause for 641 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and then let's get weird 642 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: with it and we're back. There is one more category, 643 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: my favorite, yes, mine as well. No, it is other Other. 644 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: You knew it was coming, folks. Other. That's right. Just 645 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: like Project blue Book, this report keeps an empty seat 646 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: at the explanation table, and they are incredibly careful to 647 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: never say alien, to never be like little Green Men 648 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: or anything like that. But other could literally mean anything. 649 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: So my pitches, what about sky wizards? Can we just 650 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: please have like some like this has been described as 651 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: the sky Wizard by pilots observing the phenomenon. Clearly, the 652 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,720 Speaker 1: sky wizards could really help with the sky trash problem. 653 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: You know, they could just like de materialize that with 654 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: a swoop of their sky wands. So I went through 655 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: this thing where I was just writing down funny phrases 656 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: that had the words sky and the those are those 657 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,479 Speaker 1: are the two that made it sky trash and sky 658 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: Wizards love it. Want arc though, like energy beings? Yeah, 659 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: I want that. I want ar cons just made of 660 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: pure glowing light. Yeah. They're really really good at destroying 661 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: zerg structures. I don't know, that's what I've generally aware 662 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: of them. For I thought you were going like ar 663 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: cons from the invisibles, from a microscopic universe. Oh no, 664 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: I was firmly in the StarCraft universe. Okay, I was 665 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: wondering which you were playing in. We're in all of them. 666 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: We're in a nerd multiverse. But let's let's take a 667 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,959 Speaker 1: look at how this report. How this report tackles it's 668 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: most controversial category here. Well, it frames it up in 669 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,919 Speaker 1: a way that they hope, I imagine we can wrap 670 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: our tiny, you know, civilian brains around um. It says, quote, 671 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: although most of the UAP described in our data set 672 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: probably remain unidentified due to limited data or challenges to collection, processing, 673 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: or analysis, we may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect, 674 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: on analyze, and characterize some of them. We would group 675 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed 676 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: us to better understand them. The U A P t 677 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: F intends to focus additional analysis on the small number 678 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: of cases where a U A P appeared to display 679 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: unusual flight characteristics. Remember from earlier or signature management now 680 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: now ben signature, this is like thermal right, like like 681 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: like like what it's putting off? What kind of energy 682 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: it's putting off right. This This refers in general to 683 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: uh to the idea that some of these things, some 684 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: of these like objects you could call them, were emitting 685 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: interference signals, or they were they were admitting stuff that 686 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: the the jets, the aircraft, the known aircraft could detect, 687 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: and that the way these signatures may have been deployed, 688 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: either to obscure their appearance on sensors or to um 689 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: impair the function of those sensors may something about it 690 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: may have appeared purposeful. They're not gonna They're not gonna 691 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: explicitly say that. The scariest thing here is that one 692 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: sentence they put in the middle, we may require additional 693 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: scientific knowledge, just like Blue Book, that that's why we 694 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: said this would be important. We got there. They're saying humanity, 695 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: or at the very least the humans of the entirety 696 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: of the U. S. Government, don't know enough about science 697 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 1: to explain what's happening. That's unfortunately pretty anti sky Wizard, 698 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: but I think it's I think it's a profound point. 699 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: It's an incredible admission. It's almost like saying we don't 700 00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: know enough about life on Earth to explain or prove 701 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: the existence of God. You know what I mean, it's 702 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: it's a very interesting line or it's a very interesting 703 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: statement of a thing that I think we all know exists, 704 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,479 Speaker 1: but it's not something you typically see the government copying to. Yeah, 705 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: it's literally this thing is advanced beyond our understanding of 706 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: this moment of current understanding for us, at least on 707 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: this team that are generating these reports, right or on 708 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: this on this team is generating this report, and on 709 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: the people who are observing these things, at least those 710 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: eight team that had weird flight patterns and whatever other 711 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: handful that was doing the signals stuff. I mean, that's 712 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: and I think that's as close as we're going to 713 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: get to somebody's visiting us, right right. Yeah. And they're 714 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: also they're also importantly noting there's a very small sample 715 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: size available. They have a lack of the data that 716 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: they would ideally have for all these reports. But they're 717 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,879 Speaker 1: they're admitting there is a mystery afoot and that that 718 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest revelations of this report. They 719 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: go in the detail about it, this is the moment 720 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: you should freak out. By the way, if you are 721 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: a fan of disclosure, They say some U A P. 722 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: Appeared to remain stationary and winds aloft, move against the winds, 723 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: maneuver abruptly, or move at a considerable speed without discernible 724 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: means of propulsion. In a small number of cases, military 725 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: aircraft systems processed radio frequency energy associated with UAP sidings. 726 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: That's what they mean by signature management. And then they 727 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: start to come to some conclusions. Perhaps most importantly, they 728 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,720 Speaker 1: explicitly say that whatever this is, it poses an active 729 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: hazard to flight. Means it means that some of these 730 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: are physical objects. These are not just misidentified pretty lights 731 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: in the sky. And then they say there could be 732 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: a broader danger if they represented uh sophisticated, unstoppable surveillance 733 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: of military activities. But on one good note, they say, well, 734 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: it's kind of a good note. It goes back to 735 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: your earlier note about language there, Matt. The report finds 736 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,439 Speaker 1: no evidence so far that u A P or tech 737 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: from a foreign power, and then it cites constraints on 738 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: its ability to properly investigate the sightings, offer suggestions on 739 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: how to improve the research. So you say, what to improve? 740 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: Now we get to the request that they have, Yeah, 741 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: and they and they do have some requests in and 742 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: we can probably argue a little bit about how actually 743 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: needed these things are. I just wanted to say, um. 744 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: In the report, they do point out that many of 745 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: these sightings occur around active military operations and or um 746 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: tests and practice runs and these kinds of things. Again 747 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 1: likely because and they even say this in report, likely 748 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: because these are military personnel. So when you know, when 749 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: they've got a jet out running a test flight or something, 750 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: that's when they encounter something. Or if they're doing, um, 751 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: some kind of war game, that's when they encounter something 752 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: because they're actually outdoing stuff. They're not just you know, 753 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: sitting on a base somewhere with some binoculars. And my 754 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: whole point here is just to say that it would 755 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: make sense that it would be considered more threatening by 756 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,760 Speaker 1: the government because these things are occurring when military operations 757 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,320 Speaker 1: are occurring. That makes sense. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. 758 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,760 Speaker 1: So this is so they see a clear potential for danger, 759 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: right and there makes everything makes you want Everything that 760 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: they indicate or allude to really makes you wonder what's 761 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: in that classified report. So here's what they want to improve, 762 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: and they were public with the stuff they want, Uh, 763 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: they want better reporting standards across all the armed services. 764 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: They want more consolidation of data, and they want deeper analysis. 765 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: They want aviators to have less stigma about reporting strange 766 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: stuff in the sky. And they also want these aviators 767 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: not to halt test or training when they see some 768 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: the unusual, but to keep eyes on it and come 769 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 1: back with as much information as they can. That's a 770 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: that's a behavior that would have to be learned, because 771 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,399 Speaker 1: you know, in general, when you see stuff like this, 772 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 1: you're you're supposed to you're probably gonna halt what you're doing, right, Yeah, 773 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: And then there's a huge deal removing the stigma, because 774 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: that's one of the major reasons for a long time 775 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: in the military why you just wouldn't talk about it 776 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: if you were a pilot and you saw something is 777 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,919 Speaker 1: because you would get ridiculed and who knows, maybe even 778 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: in trouble because you're not seeing things clearly, or you're 779 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: seeing things that aren't there. Um, it's just it. If 780 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: we can get rid of that, then we're going to 781 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: get a lot more than four reports real fast, true, true, 782 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,319 Speaker 1: and they'll be reports of the same caliber. Right. These 783 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:54,399 Speaker 1: will be from experts, from professionals in the military. They 784 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: also I thought This was pretty smart. They also want 785 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 1: to expand data collection and analogy is through algorithms, so 786 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: being able to run analysis that allows them to locate 787 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: u AP hot spots or clusters if those exist, and 788 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: then to identify like a baseline measure for unusual stuff. 789 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: That's hugely important because that would let you know if 790 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: activity was picking up. And then, of course money when 791 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: you we're not joking, they want money. Like a lot 792 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 1: of government initiatives, they definitely need more funding. And they 793 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: propose three plans, a UAP collection strategy and R and 794 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: D Technical ROADBAP, and an overall program plan to help 795 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: figure out where that money should go. And it sounds 796 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,879 Speaker 1: like a bit of a cash grab, sure, but it's 797 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: not unfair because those steps that we just outlined need 798 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 1: a ton of coordination and a ton of funding, and 799 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: each each thing they need comes with a price tag, 800 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: and that that is where the report leaves off. Right. 801 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 1: There is a need and we we know we can 802 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 1: make a plan for our next steps, but we need support, 803 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: we need funding, we need more information. And when we 804 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,839 Speaker 1: get to the question of what happens now, well, the 805 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,959 Speaker 1: figurative UFO is still up in the air. Uh. These 806 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 1: were these things, whatever these UAP phenomenon or reports are, 807 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: they probably didn't stop. It's not like they just petered off. 808 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,799 Speaker 1: This is an ongoing event, and honestly, if we're gonna 809 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: be cynical, we're gonna talk brass tacks about it. The 810 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,280 Speaker 1: two big deciding factors are how credible a threat policymakers 811 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: see this as being and how public reaction goes. That's 812 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,320 Speaker 1: going to determine the political classes opinion on the investigation. 813 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 1: As much of a bummer as it might be to 814 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: admit it, that's not really a bummer. If supporting further 815 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: research feels like a ticket to reelection, yeah, most politicians 816 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: are going to support it. I I you know, you 817 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: could say that's depressing because it's clearly self motivated, but 818 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,319 Speaker 1: it's also representing the will of their instituents, you know. 819 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: So can we really fault them? I don't know. If 820 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: we can't know, I don't think so. But the biggest 821 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: takeaway from me is something that that George Knapp really 822 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: really hit on when he was reporting on this for 823 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I can't remember what it was for. I 824 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: know it's a Las Vegas. It's eight News now in 825 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. That's where he's reporting, and he's from Mystery Wire. 826 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: You may recognize the name George Knapp. But one of 827 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,240 Speaker 1: the big things he pointed out is that this nine 828 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: pages or six actual pages that we got to look 829 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: at that we mentioned at the top of this are 830 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 1: nothing compared to the thirty pages that Congress scott. And 831 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 1: if this thing does get funding and this program goes 832 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: on for let's say a decade, man fingers across, let's 833 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: say a decade, imagine all the information that would be 834 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,800 Speaker 1: gathered and then we'd get at least an eighteen page report. 835 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: Why why did they owe us the nine Oh is 836 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: this strong word? But like what compelled them to give 837 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 1: us the nine pager in the first place, other than 838 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,959 Speaker 1: like leaks over be right? But I mean that's it. 839 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,799 Speaker 1: It's just literally like, Okay, people have questions. This is 840 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: like a public issue, an issue of public concern. We 841 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: need to tell the people something. It was a pork 842 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: and it was a piece of pork in one of 843 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: the bills they got passed for COVID relief. Correct. I 844 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 1: think that's how this that's why they had to give 845 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,839 Speaker 1: a report. They were mandated given a time frame it's 846 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: not as like it feels like a good faith effort. 847 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 1: But again, we're in the same boat as you because 848 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: they are they're saying they don't have enough information, and 849 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: that's what we're saying too, And Nap is absolutely right. 850 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: You have to wonder what's in the classified report. There 851 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: may be specifics in there that changed the course of conversation, 852 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,720 Speaker 1: but it's tough to guess whether there would be anything 853 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,919 Speaker 1: in or that would be considered revelatory by the average 854 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: member of the public. Right the classified report, you know, 855 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 1: what's most likely is that it contains other classified information 856 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: about US censor capabilities. That's something you know, the average 857 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,720 Speaker 1: member of the public probably wouldn't care about, but something 858 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,240 Speaker 1: that intelligence in a foreign country would be very interested 859 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: in knowing. And then surveillance methods maybe maybe possible secret technology, 860 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:36,240 Speaker 1: classified technology, or maybe it's just there are specificities unredacted 861 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 1: about the individuals reporting, you know, their names, things that 862 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,960 Speaker 1: they probably don't want to have released to the public 863 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: because they don't want you ethologists hounding them at home, 864 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Uh, it could be any 865 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: of those. In my favorite world, you guys, I like 866 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 1: to think that instead of a thirty page report. What 867 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,320 Speaker 1: it really is is like a nice go get them tiger, 868 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 1: let to congress from actual aliens, you know, doing a 869 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 1: good job, got a little balloon and saucer and then 870 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, no one will believe you. Yes, they're written 871 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: language is like seventeen thousand font so it's just one 872 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 1: character on thirty pages there it is character sort of 873 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 1: like a like a like like a serial killer, you know, 874 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 1: taunting the police kind of, you know, or maybe they're 875 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: just trying to reach us about Earth's extended warranty, or 876 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: just the fact that like, hey, maybe you know climate change. 877 00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,760 Speaker 1: I hope it's written exactly like that. Or they're they're 878 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: paying the billionaires to convince all of us to go 879 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: to Mars so that they can ever that's what it is. 880 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: What I love about this plan is how straightforward it is. 881 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,719 Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah, I mean we're joking a little bit, 882 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,279 Speaker 1: but we we hope you've enjoyed here in this kind 883 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: of what a one to this report as well as 884 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 1: perhaps most crucially it's indications for the future. At this point, 885 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: we passed the UFO torch to you, fellow listeners. What 886 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: do you think is this a genuine accurate assessment released 887 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: in good faith. Is this a wag the dog a 888 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: distraction from something else? Is this the tip of a 889 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: larger classified iceberg? What happens next? Let us know. We 890 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: try to be easy to find online. If you have 891 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 1: a spaceship, just fly over to Atlanta. You know we'll 892 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: we'll take you out. We got a pretty big air 893 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,440 Speaker 1: airport here you might have heard about. But yeah. You 894 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 1: can find us on the internet the usual places of note. 895 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,160 Speaker 1: We are on Twitter and Facebook and also YouTube as 896 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff. Um. You can also find us on Instagram 897 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: at Conspiracy Stuff Show. That's right. 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