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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Metstub listeners back here for episode number seventy seven of

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Speaker 1: the met Stub podcast. Of course, I'm your co host,

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Speaker 1: draftneck Mark Mark Luino here with Shato Jeter had no

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Speaker 1: range talking about the New York Mets, actually not really

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Speaker 1: talking about the New York Mets too much today. This

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Speaker 1: is the lockout episode because, as we know, the first

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Speaker 1: two series of the Major League Baseball season have been canceled.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Rob Manfred for being the absolute fucking worst. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming in hot in the first thirty seconds. I'm

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Speaker 1: coming for next year because me and James we've prepared

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Speaker 1: a lot. We've got a lot of information here. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna go through everything lockout related, everything labor negotiation related.

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Speaker 1: We got numbers, we got stats, we got quotes, We've

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Speaker 1: got it all. So if you guys are interested in

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Speaker 1: which I think you should be because it's kind of

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Speaker 1: super important for the future of baseball going forward this year,

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Speaker 1: during our again just fantastic Twitter spaces, to which we

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Speaker 2: We're literally incredible. If anyone out there who listens to

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Speaker 2: us on this or has ever listened to us on

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Speaker 2: Twitter is maybe like a serious XM producer, any kind

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Speaker 2: we had. I think we should both issue a public

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Speaker 2: apologies to everyone that listened to us that included, you know,

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Speaker 2: Jack Flair, the Joey Gallo, Jeremy Hefner, Nikki Lopez, Aby

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Speaker 2: we were almost too positive on what was going on.

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Speaker 1: We ate the cheese, bamboozled, bamboozled the big time. We're

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Speaker 1: We were almost like hi with like baseball could be back, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Baseball could be back. We might have Opening Day. I

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Speaker 2: Again, I don't even want to read. It's not worth it.

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Speaker 2: Basically, what we're getting at here is that this entire

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Speaker 1: It's it's the biggest load of shit I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: And they're allowed to lie. Anybody on earth is allowed

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Speaker 2: have to take the words that these people says Bonds

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Speaker 2: Everyone's allowed, everyone's permitted to lie. But in this situation,

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Speaker 2: the owners are much better leveraging their lives through this

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Speaker 2: incredible media conglomerate that they've built and created to create

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: Just saying, even like, look at like AP has been

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Speaker 1: What was the other one that was saying Jim Bowden?

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Speaker 2: why did that? That was just the year Chris Russo,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they asked for a federal mediator because they said

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Speaker 2: For sure, But I don't even think they care about that.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday and early Tuesday morning, and the owners lied

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Speaker 2: Which I don't know how that could be possible. But

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Speaker 1: The owners continue to put out the power can or

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Speaker 1: You know what this just is everyone mad at baseball.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what winning there is here. When people

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Speaker 2: That's a good transition they bring us to these precious revenues.

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Speaker 2: Because Rob Manfred got on TV after the self imposed ban,

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Speaker 2: And you could just really see the difference in tones

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Speaker 2: He said, the last five years have been very tough

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Speaker 1: Forty three billion dollars in five years.

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Speaker 1: Man? How did they? How do they afford to eat

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Speaker 2: Oh terrible, hate those guys with you had new guys there.

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Speaker 1: Sick amount of money.

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Speaker 2: Billion. That's a B billion B.

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Speaker 2: And the most important thing here, which is the whole

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Speaker 1: So while the league is making more money the players

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Speaker 2: No, something does seem to be a little bit off

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Speaker 2: But really we can't know because these teams and financial

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Speaker 2: Street Journal, those who have uncovered these numbers, done incredible research.

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Speaker 2: Made a shout out to them. But there is one

436
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 2: team whose finds is our public mark, and that team

437
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,640
Speaker 2: is the Atlanta Braves. Yes, and they made a shit

438
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Speaker 2: tone of money, so much money. The Atlanta Braves are

439
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,199
Speaker 2: also a good team to be the only one available

440
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Speaker 2: to us because they're kind of like right in the

441
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Speaker 2: middle of all this stuff. They're in a big not

442
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,960
Speaker 2: a small market now a big market lands a pretty

443
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Speaker 2: media market. They have a very nice stadiumount in the

444
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Speaker 2: suburbs and all this incredible stuff around it, And for

445
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 2: lack of a better term. They're a successful friends. They

446
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,640
Speaker 2: win baseball games. They've won more games than most teams

447
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Speaker 2: in baseball for the last five years. They're probably a

448
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,120
Speaker 2: top ten Wings team over the last five years, if

449
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 2: not top set six or.

450
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Speaker 1: Seven, has been great.

451
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Speaker 2: The Braves group totaled one point eight billion dollars in

452
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,159
Speaker 2: revenue from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, and that

453
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Speaker 2: number rows forty two percent over those five years, from

454
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Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy one million in twenty seventeen to

455
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Speaker 2: five hundred and twenty six million in twenty twenty one.

456
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Speaker 2: That number, five hundred twenty six million dollars twenty twenty

457
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Speaker 2: one is an all time public revenue record for a

458
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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball franchise ever, most money any team has

459
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Speaker 2: ever brought in in a single season ever. And that

460
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Speaker 2: is not the Yankees, that is not the Mets, that's

461
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Speaker 2: not the Red Sox, is not the Dodgers. This is

462
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Speaker 2: the Atlanta Braves.

463
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Speaker 1: Again, public, that's the huge thing here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and again, when we find out how much of

465
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Speaker 2: those teams made in twenty twenty one, a couple of

466
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Speaker 2: years down the line, when that becomes uncovered, they'll probably

467
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Speaker 2: will have made more money than the five hundred twenty

468
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Speaker 2: six million dollars the Braves made because for those teams,

469
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Speaker 2: the most recent figures were going to have his twenty

470
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Speaker 2: eight enor and twenty nineteen, and a couple of years,

471
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Speaker 2: things grow, new deals are signed, more money, more eyes,

472
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 2: more entertainment, more value. You're making more money. And all

473
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Speaker 2: these numbers are going against a five hundred ninety seven

474
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Speaker 2: million dollars in total payroll pay that from twenty seventeen

475
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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty one, So the Braves generated one point

476
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 2: eight billion in revenue and they paid their players five

477
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Speaker 2: hundred ninety seven million over the exact same time frame.

478
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Speaker 2: And that even that payroll number did rise twenty one

479
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Speaker 2: percent from the exact same time frame twenty seventeen twenty

480
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Speaker 2: twenty one, up from one hundred and twenty two point

481
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Speaker 2: five million twenty seventeen two hundred and forty eight point

482
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Speaker 2: five million in in twenty twenty one. But that did

483
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Speaker 2: not rise as quickly as the revenue, not even close to.

484
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Speaker 1: It, not even close to it. And it's also funny

485
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Speaker 1: to think that the payroll from a four year stretch

486
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Speaker 1: could almost all be covered by the previous season in twenty.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one, absolutely clearly, and there's even more information about

488
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Speaker 2: which you can cover with your payroll later on. But

489
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 2: that payroll twenty twenty one was twenty eight percent of

490
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Speaker 2: the Braves revenue, and that was the lowest percentage across

491
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Speaker 2: all the five years that we're showing right now, And

492
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Speaker 2: as many baseball fans will also so, no, while that

493
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 2: payroll as the lowest percentage that had been over the

494
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Speaker 2: last five years, this Braves team was the most successful,

495
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Speaker 2: had been winning the World Series. And another big thing

496
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Speaker 2: the Braves can do to hide some of their revenue

497
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: is to invest in real estate. That so some of

498
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 2: these guys can cover their profits and cover their gains

499
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: and be able to hide stuff a little bit. The

500
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Speaker 2: Cardinals owner whose name is leaving right now, I think

501
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Speaker 2: is the wit something to wit.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't know owner's names really, Okay,

503
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Speaker 1: well you wonder why I don't care about owners?

504
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Speaker 2: Of course not. They have been building up a ton

505
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Speaker 2: of around Bush Stadium. But now this is a financial

506
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: term from John Doebel, who is retired. This plaga is

507
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 2: kind of funny, but he's a very well respected person

508
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Speaker 2: in baseball financial terms. I'm not a finance guy, so

509
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read this tweet exactly. He adjusted operating income

510
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: before it depreciation and amortization from twenty seventeen to twenty

511
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: twenty one for the Atlanta Braves total two hundred and

512
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Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars, including one hundred eleven million dollars last year,

513
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: which apparently is a very difficult five years. And he

514
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Speaker 2: links his own article about the Cardinals, the team. He

515
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: covered how they were hiding their profit it's in their

516
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: revenue into more real estate ventures, not even further showing

517
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: how much these guys have the power to manicure the

518
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: narrative around them and hide what they're able to do.

519
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 2: And again, a very good billionaire would be investing their

520
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: profits and revenue becase it's gonna make more money over time.

521
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Speaker 2: We've been talking we would love for Steve Cohen to

522
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: invest in the real estate of the round city field

523
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: and turn it from chop shops and kind of scary

524
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: looking places to bars, restaurants, places burning out. No one,

525
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: no Mets fan that even knows that the marina is

526
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 2: like steps away from city field that could be gorgeous

527
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: places for bars and restaurants, no one would know because

528
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: it's despicable right now. But just there's so much money here,

529
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: There's so much money, and these guys are crying poor

530
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Speaker 2: and it's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like to think of like what Atlanta has

532
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: around the stadium too, in the battery, Like the battery

533
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: is sick. There's all the restaurants and bars and stuff

534
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: that they have out there, and I'm sure the Atlanta

535
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: Braves have some steak in the property around their stadium,

536
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: and that stuff doesn't get included in the revenue that

537
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: they generate on these reports. That stuff is not there.

538
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: So it's like these teams can kind of hide money

539
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: to make it seem like they're not making as much

540
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they're actually probably making more because

541
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Speaker 1: it's being reinvested into something else that has value.

542
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: And another way they make more is through revenue sharing,

543
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: which is something that has been thrown around a lot

544
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: during these negotiations. A lot of fans like to say,

545
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: talk about, tweet about, but it's not something I think

546
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: every fan exactly knows what it is. And this is

547
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: another function of all these bullshit owners, that probable faction

548
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: of eight crying poor, the pirates, the Diamondbacks, the Reds,

549
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: the fucking Reds, Bobcasts, Royals, what a piece of shit?

550
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: What the Royals, the Rockies, These these owners, these are

551
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: the ones who are holding us ransom right now as

552
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: baseball fans. The actual terms of the revenue sharing agreement

553
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: are for the eight percent of every team's total revenue

554
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: goes into a pot, a big pot, So forty eight

555
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: percent of the Orioles make forty eight percent with the Yankees,

556
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: make forty percent with the Mets, make for the eight

557
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: percent with the Rockies. Make that all goes into a

558
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: pot together, and that pot is equally dispersed among every

559
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: single thirty team baseball three point three percent each from

560
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Speaker 2: that pot, So forty eight percent of the Orioles revenue

561
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: is going to be significally less than forty eight percent

562
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: of the Yankees, the Mets, the Red Sox revenue, So

563
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: they're now taking a share of that while the Yankees

564
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: are losing some money. This is again the communist owners

565
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: at work here. That number that got dispersed out to

566
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Speaker 2: every single team in twenty eighteen, the last year this

567
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: is publicly available, was one hundred and eighteen million dollars,

568
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: So before anything happened, no matter what. It is not

569
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Speaker 2: even accounting for the other fifty two percent of your

570
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: own revenue, anything that you did, anything else that you

571
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Speaker 2: paid out, payroll, whatever. Every single team has a lump

572
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: sum of one hundred and eighteen million dollars that cannot

573
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Speaker 2: be taken away from them. It doesn't mean anything. Also,

574
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, every team made ninety one million dollars

575
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Speaker 2: from the national revenues, So right away, before anything else

576
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Speaker 2: is even considered here, less than half of the revenue

577
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Speaker 2: you're incurring. You're looking at over two hundred million dollars

578
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 2: off the bat. Hey, that's yours to whoever you want

579
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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 1: And what's so funny about that too, is with the

581
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Speaker 1: CBT threshold, right, which is the fake salary cap that

582
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball has, which was two hundred and nineteen

583
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: million last year, you can basically go up to two

584
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in your payroll and not lose any money.

585
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: And that doesn't even account in for when games get

586
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: played and the revenue that you make during the season.

587
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Speaker 1: That is strictly from just the revenue sharing that goes on,

588
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: you can basically he covered the cost of your team

589
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Speaker 1: or like you see with teams like the Rays or

590
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Speaker 1: the A's, you can make money through the revenue sharing

591
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Speaker 1: by having the cost of your team being lower.

592
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Speaker 2: The Ray is profit every year from revenue sharing because

593
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: their payroll is going to be under one hundred and

594
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars, so that the other percent of their

595
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: revenue they could basically pay into their payroll and then

596
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: they can finish it off with the revenue share and

597
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: just put money in their pocket walk away as rich men.

598
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: That's what a lot of these teams do. That's why

599
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: the system is broken right now. But the Rays are

600
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 2: a bad example of this. But teams like the Pirates,

601
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Guardians, the Colorado Rockies, you don't really have

602
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: to try your hardest and you are becoming profitable. That's

603
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: insane shit. And now, via Craig Gold, seen a baseball perspective.

604
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Speaker 2: Starting this year, in twenty twenty two, every team was

605
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: guaranteed sixty million more dollars from a new national TV deal.

606
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: So that's up from the ninety one million that was

607
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: paid out in twenty eighteen.

608
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Speaker 1: And what's crazy is you've seen this in the NBA happen,

609
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Speaker 1: which is why you see guys like you know, Tyler Johnson,

610
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: who's a bench player, make fifteen million dollars a year.

611
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: They adjust their salary cap as the years goes on

612
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: because they get Yeah, they get more revenue from these

613
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: massive TV contracts. That's why Russell Wesbrogn always does are

614
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: making close fifty million dollars a year. You go back

615
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: five years, they weren't even close. But now because there's

616
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: more money being put into the league, the players get

617
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: paid accordingly. Because but what do you know, because the

618
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: networks that broadcast these games, they want to broadcast the stars,

619
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Speaker 1: the guys who are the best, and those guys get

620
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Speaker 1: paid directly from those revenues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, a league like the NBA has a clause

622
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Speaker 2: in their collective bargaining agreement that says that the players

623
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Speaker 2: are due x percent of the full league's revenue. I

624
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: don't know exactly this, I don't want to speak out

625
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: of term, but if the players salaries in the given

626
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: year do not equal that number, the league literally cuts

627
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: a check and that check is dispersed among the players

628
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: to meet that exact percentage of the revenue. And the

629
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Speaker 2: NBA Players Association does have a lot of flaws and

630
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: they're less ABA. They did leave a lot of the

631
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: mid level players behind or something I hope Major League

632
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: Baseball doesn't do when this eventually gets agreed to. But

633
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: the fact they have the power to do that is

634
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: pretty substantial. The fact that wasn't even something that was

635
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: brought up in these negotiations. And then all this money

636
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: is in the pot that we've been telling you guys

637
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: about the owners basically a guarantee between two hundred and

638
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: hundred fifty million dollars per year that cannot almost cannot

639
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: be taken away from them, guaranteed as much a they're

640
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: making it in revenue. And this is before all of

641
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: their massive national partnerships like FTX, which is an incredible

642
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: crypto broker that has sponsored Major League Baseball, is giving

643
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: these guys. I can't even imagine how much money now

644
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: in a yearly basis and the new gambling revenues that

645
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: are gonna come in from MGM. And that doesn't even

646
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: account for all the deals that were expected to be signed.

647
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: The second after the CBA was negotiate was agreed upon

648
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: because the owners don't want that to be part of it.

649
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: The owners don't want the players to have exact idea

650
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: of what they're what Apple or Peacocks have been paying

651
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: them for streaming, or how much money they're actually going

652
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: to be making from these gambling sites on a yearly basis.

653
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: The Cubs, especially a team that's been crying poor since

654
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: they won the fucking World Series, are currently right now

655
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: today if you live in Chicago, go check it out.

656
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: They're constructing a sportsbook in Wrigleyville that's going to be

657
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: connected to the stadium and through the organization.

658
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: Like it's not like Major League Baseball has a problem

659
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: with generating money. And if you didn't believe us before

660
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: when we said forty three billion in five years, surely

661
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: you believe us now. It prints money. There's a reason

662
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: I said that at the beginning, you honestly have to

663
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: be a dumbass to fail as an owner in Major

664
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: League Baseball. It's almost impossible the way that it's set

665
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: up to lose money. So when a guy like Tikman,

666
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: for the owner of the Colorado Rockies, cries about being poor,

667
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: get out of the league. Then have someone else come in.

668
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: Jeff pass and put it greatly, he said, if you

669
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: take the players out of Major League Baseball right now,

670
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: and fill them in with the next best twelve hundred.

671
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: The quality of the product diminishes, the money stops coming in,

672
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: people stop watching. It suffers massively. You take thirty owners,

673
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: the thirty owners right now, and put in a new

674
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: thirty people who are billionaires and millionaires that want to

675
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: run a Major League Baseball organization, nothing changes. If you

676
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of this, you should

677
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: get the fuck out.

678
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: In fact, the league will probably run better if we

679
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: get out all these poor owners who but seelick led

680
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: by teams that really had no business being a part

681
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: of this league. And you put in a bunch of written,

682
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: more rich people like John Henry and guys like Steve Cohen,

683
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: people like the Guggenheim Group, who are committed and motivated

684
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: to being competitive and playing being a part of a sport,

685
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: because that's what this fucking is at the base here,

686
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: this is a sport. This is about competition. And from

687
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: the beginning of all this nonsense, where it said, like

688
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: the main rhetoric that they were using against the Player

689
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: Association was that they are trying to and they, being

690
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: the Players Association, are trying to install a system that

691
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: will guarantee certain franchises will not be able to compete,

692
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: when realistically it has been the choice of almost half

693
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: of the Major League Baseball franchises over the last half

694
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: decade not to compete.

695
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: And baseball has had some of the best parody among

696
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: all professional sports in America, the Big Four, whatever you

697
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: want to call it. The only team that really hasn't

698
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: made the playoffs recently is the Maritors, and that's it.

699
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: Everybody else has either made the playoffs and then going

700
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: to the World Series. I think over half the league

701
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: has gone to the World Series in the last twenty years.

702
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: The parody among Major League Baseball is some of the

703
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: best that exists in professional sports. You want to talk

704
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: about competition, you look at fucking Europe with soccer teams.

705
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: It's Real Madrid and FC Barcelona winning every single year,

706
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: and oh what do you know. You don't hear the

707
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: teams at the bottom crust. They're spending too much money.

708
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: Now there is like financial fair play rules, but again

709
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: there's tons of money going into the sport because it

710
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: generates tons of money. The idea that these owners are struggling,

711
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: the idea that they I can't afford to do this,

712
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: The idea that major League Baseball would cease to exist

713
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: based on the way that the players want it to

714
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: be run. Is just poppy cock. It's sheer lies.

715
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: Tom foolery. It's absolute. It's a misconception of what's actually

716
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: going on here. And a lot and credit to Major

717
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: League Baseball. They have convinced a lot of people of

718
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: this misconception, and a big way they have done that

719
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: is create this narrative of billionaires versus millionaires, saying, well,

720
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: I don't like what the owners are doing. If the

721
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: players are a fault too, they should just accept the

722
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: offers the best are going to get and move forward.

723
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: And a lot of people who say that are a

724
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: lot of people who say things like these people are

725
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: making millions of dollars to play a game. I would

726
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: play baseball for so much less money, like I need baseball.

727
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: Baseball is very important to me in my life. Baseball

728
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: is very important to my mental health. Baseball is something

729
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: I like to do with my family. These are all

730
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: true things. These are good. This game is for the fans,

731
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: But I can't have this fucking entitlement coming out of

732
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: fans here at the end of the day, like this

733
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: is much bigger than me. Mark or anybody out there listening,

734
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: like this is about a broken system major League Baseball

735
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: that has not allowed for competition for the last couple

736
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: of years. It has let people not be competitive in

737
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: a fucking sport Like that is backwards and broken and stupid.

738
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you're comparing your own plight,

739
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: your own work, your nine to five job, your union job,

740
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: your I don't know, your double job, your night shifts

741
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: to what the Major League Baseball players doing. It's just crazy, Like,

742
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: we are not the same as these people. We're not

743
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: as talented. I don't know. People probably don't want to

744
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: hear this. We probably haven't worked as hard or as

745
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: long as a lot of these guys have done. You

746
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: guys are Trevor May last week. He has done this

747
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: every single day for like eight hours a day for

748
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: almost thirty years. That's just not true most people, most

749
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: walks of like and most professions. If you work sales,

750
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: if you do HVAC, if you're in finance, like, this

751
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: is a different ballgame. Not to be fucking cliche or

752
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: corny there, but it is. This is not what we do.

753
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: We can't even comprehend how good these people are. What

754
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: they do.

755
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: We cannot compare our lives to those who play Major

756
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: League Baseball or any sport. Go to a baseball stab,

757
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: like you said, when they're like, oh well i'll play

758
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: for free, then okay, see what happens because no one's

759
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna watch. No one's gonna watch you play. I promise you.

760
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: No one wants to watch you play outside of like

761
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: maybe your family for like the first game, and then

762
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: they're like, this is abysmal, this is awful. But it's

763
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: just it's it's so ridiculous, like and I get it.

764
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: I understand why it is hard to like separate yourself

765
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: from how much money they are making. Because when the

766
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: average person hears someone complaining about making seven hundred thousand dollars,

767
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: they go, I would literally that's the dream of mine

768
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: if I can make it one time. But you have

769
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: to remember that you don't generate billions of dollars for

770
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: the organization that you work for. Even if you work

771
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: for a big like you said, construction company, you're one person.

772
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: You're not generating X amount of money for this company.

773
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: You're replaceable. Unfortunately, these guys here are not replaceable. Major

774
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: League Baseball doesn't exist without the players that are currently in.

775
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: It, definitely, and we're also not realizing what goes on

776
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: for a major league baseball player between the time they

777
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 2: get drafted or signed and the time they could put

778
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: on a forty man roster and actually make that minimum salary,

779
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Steve Wilson, a career minor league pitcher

780
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: on the Padres, had a quote tweet from some guys saying,

781
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: I can't understand you guys complaining about seven hundred thousand

782
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: minimum salary. And Steve Wilson signed for five thousand dollars

783
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, he made ten thousand dollars in twenty nineteen,

784
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: he made less than twenty twenty because of the pro

785
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: rated season, and he made eighteen thousand dollars last year

786
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: in Triple A twenty twenty one. So since twenty eighteen,

787
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: Brian Wilson has made somewhere around fifty thousand dollars across

788
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: four years of playing professional baseball, and he just got

789
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: added to the forty man roster this season and is

790
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: now completely locked out with only that much earnings in

791
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: his bank account. And in Major league baseball is very

792
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: competitive to get there if you want to actually be

793
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: a baseball player at the major league level. You have

794
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: to be paying well for food, you have to be

795
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: getting yourself housing, you need to be paying for private

796
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: trainers in the off season to get you ahead to

797
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: actually get to that major league level. If you work

798
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: any job full time, you're going to be making more

799
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: than ten thousand dollars in a year, like Steve Wilson

800
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: made playing single a baseball for the Padres twenty nineteen.

801
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: There's so much that goes into it, and these guys

802
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: do struggle a lot when they do get to the

803
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: major leagues. That seven hundred thousand dollars is usually paying

804
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: off the debts they've incurred the last few years, or

805
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: their family that they've been supporting trying to realize this

806
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: massive dream. And again, they know what they're doing. They

807
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: know that there's a lot of risk going into being

808
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: a minor league baseball player. I'm not gonna say that

809
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: they like that this ever, I'm not gonna give the

810
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: entitlement to these people as well. There's no woe is me,

811
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: of course, but this jurse is for them worth the squeeze,

812
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: and this is their game. And if they feel the

813
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: need to prolong this lockout or to get what they

814
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 2: think is due. Then that's I can't help but support it.

815
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: And of all the stuff that we just told you,

816
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: you can't you can't still really be on the owner's

817
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: side here. You could be mad that there's no baseball,

818
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: and that's fine, I understand it. Like I'm not gonna

819
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: be mad at the players. That's just not how it works.

820
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Me and James have had players on here. We like

821
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: these guys because they're friendly with them, Like, why do

822
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: we not want the people that we associate with to

823
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: do better? How many owners have been on our podcast zero.

824
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: It's hard to side with guys who don't even give

825
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: a shit about us when a player will take time

826
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: out of their day to come talk to us. So

827
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: it's like, you've seen all the stats you've seen, all

828
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: the info you've seen, all the information you've seen that

829
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: baseball's money continues to go up, but the player's money

830
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: continues to go down. I don't understand how you can't

831
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: see what they're fighting for. And I think that also

832
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: leads us again to a little bit more narrative and

833
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: the power that Major League Baseball has been doing because

834
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: the CBT threshold stuff that they proposed also came out,

835
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: and if you're someone who doesn't understand what's been going

836
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: on there, you would think, well, the CBT threshold in

837
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one was two hundred and ten million dollars.

838
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: The owners offered to raise to twenty that's a raise.

839
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: How is that not good enough? Well, here's how it's

840
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: not good enough. One that still doesn't match up with

841
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: a revenue ship or how much revenue has been going

842
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: up in two just a simple inflation calculation here seven

843
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: point five percent for the twenty twenty two year, it's

844
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: actually five million dollars less than that two hundred and

845
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: ten million dollars worth worth than twenty twenty one. In

846
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: order to keep the money same and be worth the

847
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: same for the next season, which would be twenty twenty two,

848
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: you have to start at two hundred and twenty five million,

849
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: and they went five million underneath it. It's again, it's like,

850
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: do you think people are stupid? Maybe you're not even

851
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: stupid if you fall for this, because it's a really

852
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: good tactic.

853
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I have a lot of not stupid

854
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: people I know who have fallen for this. Billionairess millionaires

855
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: rhetoric and Ran Brisbee from the athletic he's been a

856
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: baseball rither. I think he wrote for the Giants for

857
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: a very long time. I think now he's a national writer.

858
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Get a very good article from a few days ago,

859
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: fully outlining exactly just kind of debunking this billionaire's versus

860
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: millionaire rhetoric, and very simply put, last year, over fourteen

861
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: hundred players played the Major League Baseball and the crew

862
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: at least one day of service time. Forty one percent

863
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: of those players did not make one million dollars in

864
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. That's nearly half of all the players

865
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: who played in baseball didn't make one million dollars. That's

866
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: not accounting for taxes that were taken out of player salaries.

867
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: That's not a counter for the cause of living that

868
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: these players have to ocur. It's not accounting for players

869
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: who get traded, who get sent up, sent down, have

870
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: to have two or three leases active at a time

871
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: to live. They still have to deal with a lot

872
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: of the things that we have to deal with in

873
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: our lives as a professional baseball player. And while again

874
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: less than a million dollars is still plenty of money.

875
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: If you made nine hundred thousand dollars that got taxed

876
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: down to five hundred thousand dollars. You had an incredible year.

877
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: And I'm sure as that player would be sitting there

878
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: right now, they would know they had an incredible year.

879
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: The Dave Bennar's of the world. Other guys are called

880
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: the Dominick Smith's the world. The guys who've been called

881
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: up and are good, but I have yet to actually

882
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: had like taste the fruits of their labor. Really sick

883
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: that money. It really goes to show you that I

884
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: don't think that the grand majority of the Major League

885
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: Baseball players are as rich as this narrative has put

886
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: them out to be.

887
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: Well, even like remember when the Tatis contract came out,

888
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: Great and that's mega, mega money. But you hear, like,

889
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: what three hundred and fifty million, But then you actually

890
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: do the math and calculations of how much he's actually

891
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: gonna make. Still a shit ton of money. But he's

892
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: not making three hundred and fifty million dollars. That's not

893
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: going into his pocket definitely.

894
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: And the other biggest problem when you look at that

895
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: Tatis contract, you look at Ronaldakun, you look at Aziabi's,

896
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: look at Wanda Franco. The younger players who make less

897
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: money based on the structure that has been created are

898
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: always going to be more valuable, and the older ones

899
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: who have early crewed the six years of service time

900
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: to get them the free agency, unless they came up

901
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: when they were very young, like we see like Want Soda, Machado,

902
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: Brett Harper, the real superstars more. In that Brisbee article,

903
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: he had a table about how how many players per

904
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: age were worth at least one war, and the highest

905
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: numbers in that list were twenty four to twenty four

906
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: years old, thirty four to twenty six years old, thirty

907
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: one to twenty seven years old, and thirty at twenty

908
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: eight years old. Then you get to twenty seven players

909
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: at thirty years old, but then it's a sharp decline

910
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: after thirty one years old. There were twelve players at

911
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: thirty two worth one more eleven at thirty three, another

912
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: eleven at thirty four, three at thirty five, two, with

913
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: thirty six, two at thirty seven, one of thirty eight.

914
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 2: So you see the app the concentration of value among

915
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: baseball players age twenty four to thirty when realistically you

916
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: have to be someone who assents through the minor leagues

917
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: quicker than most to actually have true value monetarily during

918
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: that time that you get into your own pot because

919
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: you had the monetary value to the clubs because you're

920
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: not gonna making very much money in the arbitration system.

921
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: And it's also crazy too, because major league teams can

922
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: manipulate the time that you have in the minors as well,

923
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: so that you don't get to hit for agency as

924
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: early as you would like.

925
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And on top of that, more so, the rate

926
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: of players who are under twenty five years old who

927
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: are worth at least half a warrant give in a

928
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: single season is increasing rapidly. Grant had a lot of

929
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: very good charts and grafts in this article to show

930
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: worth it, and he had the biggest one that was

931
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: the most telling all the way at the bottom of

932
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: the grand idea. The thesis that he was proving was

933
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: that revenue was increasing exponentially while player salaries and the

934
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: CBT have completely plateaued. And that is the problem.

935
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: That's the problem. I mean owners have figured out just

936
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: like I mean even see Con kind of alluded to

937
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: it last year, like draft picks and these younger guys,

938
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: it's just money. You just make money on these dudes.

939
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: They're worth a million dollars. I think he even said

940
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: that right in a tweet. Yes, and there's a reason

941
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: why baseball is seemingly getting younger too. These owners have

942
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: figured out that a lot of these players are just

943
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: as good as whoever the replacement guy is going to

944
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: be that's thirty years old, but they get paid nothing.

945
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: In the guy who's thirty one thirty two might get

946
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars. Like, there is a reason

947
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: baseball has shifted younger. The talent's great as well. Of course,

948
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: we have these generational talents, like you said with Sodo

949
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: A Kunya Tatis, but there's also a lot of other

950
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: younger guys who have come up that just don't really

951
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: have that impact because they're younger.

952
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: Of course, And that's because a lot of these owners

953
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: and organizations have learned and realized that instead of buying

954
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: a five million dollar twenty nine year old player, you

955
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: can put five million dollars into player development and have

956
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: an infinite amount of very good players. And the teams

957
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Guardians have incredible player development. All the

958
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: money they put into their player development, I can't even

959
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: imagine how green they are in that because they produce

960
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: incredible players year after year, guys come up from their

961
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: minor leagues and they're able to keep this very stable

962
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: level of competitiveness without really investing much money to this team.

963
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: The Rays, of course, are the best of all time

964
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: at that the Rays minor leagues are probably better than

965
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: some teams major leagues. We've alluded to that going back

966
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: to as far as last year. It's an absolute machine.

967
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: Instead of over and over again raised player development is

968
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: a machine and all the money they haven't invested onto

969
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: their on the field team that they have invested into

970
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: their player development has been a great move for them.

971
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: But the backside of that is your what's the word here,

972
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: You're maintaining a system that is taking advantage of players

973
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: who are the most valuable in your sport while while

974
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: they make relatively the least amount of money.

975
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: Yep, and that's what the players are fighting for. It's

976
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: not about Mike Trout's money. It's not about Jacob de

977
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: Grom's money. It's not about Garrick Cole, Max Scherzer. It's

978
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: about the young guys. It's about the guys who are

979
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: on these minimum contracts that they want to get what

980
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: they're worth. And I honestly, from what I've seen from

981
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: the players side, they're not asking for two million dollars

982
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: a year for this guy. They're not asking even for

983
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: like one point five million. All this stuff is super,

984
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: super reasonable. And Major League Baseball continues to tell you

985
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: that they cannot afford to operate under these circumstances.

986
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: And that's the biggest problem. It's not like Major that

987
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: the players are going and saying we want to we

988
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: want a revolution, we want to break the system, blow

989
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: it up, and restart it from the ground up. They're

990
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 2: not saying that. They could be well within the reason

991
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: to say that, but they know that would actually never happen.

992
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: So they're coming with pretty logical and normal upticks and

993
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: they've been pretty willing to negotiate and find common ground

994
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: a lot of issues. They've dropped service time, they dropped

995
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: something else.

996
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: Too, well, the two expanded playoffs, yes, but.

997
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: Then there's something else they dropped the beginning. I can

998
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: remember that right now, but it just seems like over

999
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: and over again based on the things that are leaking out,

1000
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: like little tibitts of stuff here and there that it's

1001
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: the real goal of Major League Baseball and the owners

1002
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: to go for the throat, to absolutely kill this union.

1003
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: There was a report from Kyle Glazer yesterday that their

1004
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: goal was literally to break the union. He got that

1005
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: from an unnamed anonymous Major League Baseball source. Break the union.

1006
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: That's disgusting behavior. There were reports of bragging over the

1007
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: last twenty thirty years about how well the last seas

1008
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: went and how this was such an incredible deal for

1009
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: these owners, like these poor people that Bud sel like

1010
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: poor people that Bud selic letone. These teams aren't even

1011
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: worth weren't even worth a billion, these absolute assholes. But

1012
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: how they could just rely on this money your after

1013
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: years one of the safes investments in America. And apparently

1014
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: this is the most fucked up with all this from

1015
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: a CBS CBS Sports story that came out last week.

1016
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: Apparently the Major League Baseball Office has a WWE plastic belt,

1017
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: like one of those twenty dollars belts, that they will

1018
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 2: give out to one organization every single year who pays

1019
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: the least dollars over value in arbitration to give an

1020
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: off season, they will give them a WWE belt signaling

1021
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: that they won something incredible by giving their arbitration level

1022
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: players the least money possible.

1023
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: That's just that's discussing. That's not in the spirit of

1024
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: the game. That's on the spirit of the sports, not

1025
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: in the spirit of the business. Like baseball is a

1026
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: business at the end of the day. So I'm all

1027
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: about making as many dollars as possible, for sure, But

1028
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: you gotta give it to the people who are making

1029
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: you that money.

1030
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: You can't let you can't let player salaries plateau when

1031
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: everything else is going straight up. Again, everyone should read

1032
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: this Grand Brisbee article on the Athletic It really lays

1033
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 2: it out very well why this is a one side

1034
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: of issue. And sure maybe the players are one percent

1035
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: at blame because they didn't take one on the chin

1036
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: and give the opening day to us fans. But I'm

1037
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: not about that anymore. This is ridiculous the way this

1038
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: game is gone. I hate going through a Major League

1039
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: Baseball season when it's so clear that you can look

1040
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: at ten teams and they're not trying. It's stupid.

1041
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: They literally don't give a shit. Like the expanded playoffs

1042
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: is also like a way to artificially add more competition

1043
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: as well, like those ten teams still aren't going to

1044
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: be competitive, but now there's an extra spot that they

1045
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: are closer to in theory, which makes them look more

1046
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: competitive for sure.

1047
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, though that we'll

1048
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: get more stars on national television, that we'll have more

1049
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 2: tense moments. I don't really hate expanding playoffs to twelve

1050
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: fourteen finds a lot fine, no, for sure. But the

1051
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: worst part is now that we have canceled games is

1052
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: an entirely new can of worms, and these negotiations are

1053
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: opening that make it look increasingly unlikely that we're gonna

1054
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: get baseball even anytime soon. Because now how these players

1055
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: who missed the first fifteen days of this season, how's

1056
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: their service time become affected? The owners aren't going to

1057
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: be very willing to let these guys get the free

1058
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: agency what they can to their year earlier. Are they

1059
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: gonna pay them back for miss games? The players Union

1060
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: said that they're going to be steadfast into that. There's

1061
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: no way the owners actually do that. There's no way

1062
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: at all where they're gonna be the ramifications for these

1063
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: regional sports networks missing games. Ken Roseenveal reported in his

1064
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: article today it was a really small tidbit a very long,

1065
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: otherwise very good article from Ken that after missing twenty

1066
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: five games, the clubs have to issue rebates to these

1067
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: cable companies.

1068
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: That's what I was telling you about on the spaces.

1069
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: Remember I was put out a tweet a few days

1070
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: ago which look at me ahead of the curve. Here,

1071
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: I was like, surely all these TV companies that have

1072
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: these deals with the teams have to be pissed off

1073
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: at the owners because they're the ones who are stopping

1074
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: games from being played. They don't care about the CBA negotiations.

1075
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: They just want the product that they played for to

1076
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: be on their airwaves. And with stopping of games, they're

1077
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: not getting any they're not they're not getting what they

1078
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: paid for. So like that's a huge and that's a huge,

1079
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: huge part of how these teams make money as well,

1080
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: or these TV deals. So like, like we said at

1081
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: the beginning, they're so shortsighted, but it seems like they've

1082
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: forgotten all the things that actually make the money, which

1083
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: is playing baseball.

1084
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the main thing that makes baseball owners money is, Yes,

1085
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: playing baseball. And these guys have this massive deal with

1086
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: either Apple or Peacock that's been rumored for months that

1087
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: they're going to sign immediately when this ends.

1088
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: And ESPN, I think is also gonna get another huge

1089
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: deal coming up as well, whether.

1090
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: It's like expanded playoffs, they're gonna, they're gonna, They're gona

1091
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: absolutely own that wildcard round, which is probably a good

1092
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: foresight move by ESPN to buy that Wildcard round out

1093
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: years ago, because it's fun as shit, it's all that's

1094
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: gonna be great baseball. But as this becomes more and

1095
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: more public, the players are gonna be like, what about

1096
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: that revenue sitting right over there, You're not telling us

1097
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: about how's that effect how much money we're gonna make,

1098
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: Like there's so much more in here that makes it

1099
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: so disheartening and sad about when this is actually gonna

1100
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: get handled.

1101
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: It feels like we will not see any baseball in

1102
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: the month of April. That's That's what I'm going with,

1103
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: is that I think the quickest we're back is May.

1104
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: I think the best case snaire probably is my first.

1105
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: I think we're realistically probably looking at it after that.

1106
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeahorial Day, which is horrible because, like we talked about

1107
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: this on the spaces If Opening Day happened. We don't

1108
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: really think they would have been a step backwards. As

1109
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: awful as the off season has been, I think everyone

1110
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: sees Opening Day and you're you're happy Baseball's back. Who

1111
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: gives a shit they're back. You miss a few games here,

1112
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: you got people mad. You miss an entire month, people

1113
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: are pissed. You're losing fans one hundred percent, massive step back.

1114
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: You miss any more than a month, people are done

1115
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: with baseball. There are a lot of people around the

1116
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: sport around this that will no longer support Major League Baseball,

1117
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: and I don't blame them. And it's unfortunate because some

1118
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: of this blame is gonna be put on the players,

1119
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: some of it's gonna be put on the owners. And

1120
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: it was so preventable by the owner's side, but they

1121
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: and said decided, let our goal of this CBA negotiation,

1122
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: like you said, be to break the union, not to

1123
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: have baseball, not to get a fair deal. It is

1124
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: to break the union up and essentially crumble what is

1125
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: the game of baseball? Without realizing that without these players,

1126
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: without this, you make no money. This is what the

1127
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: league is. You don't go to city Field because you're

1128
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: a big fan of Steve Cohen. You go to Cityfield

1129
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: because you want to watch Francisco Indoor, pet A Lonso,

1130
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 1: Jacob de Gram, Max Scherzer. Even if you're a fucking

1131
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland Guardians fan, you go to the field because you

1132
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: get to watch Josier Ramirez every game. You still go

1133
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: to watch these players. No one gives a fuck about

1134
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: the Dolans. No one gives a shit about when Jeffrey

1135
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: Laurio owned the Miami Marlins. Like it's so baffling to

1136
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: me that they're so short sighted and that there are

1137
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: still people out there that will side with the owners

1138
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: despite them causing all these issues. And I mean, I

1139
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: think there is one thing that everyone's agreed on. Rot

1140
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: Manford fucking sucks. I think everyone everybody who likes baseball

1141
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: agrees this guy has to go.

1142
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: It's very clear that he doesn't really care about the

1143
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: game any way, shape or form. Like it really should

1144
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: be the job of the commission And no know, the

1145
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: job the commission is to work for the owners, but

1146
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: they should be the job of the commissioner to not

1147
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: let this happen, to not allow this doomsday scenario where

1148
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: we are going to be missing baseball games like how

1149
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: as someone overseeing one of the most profitable ventures in

1150
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: all of America saying we're gonna let that go. We're

1151
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: gonna kill kill the Golden goose.

1152
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: To use the term, it's it's crazy, and like, you know,

1153
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: you could tell he didn't really give a shit about

1154
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: baseball when you talk about the World Series Trophy just

1155
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: being a hunk of metal. And then him laughing during

1156
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: the press conference of what should be the worst news

1157
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: that Major League Baseball is delivering in the in the

1158
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: calendar year, that we're canceling games and that baseball is

1159
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: not being played it's locked out, and the dude's up

1160
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: there laughing. Like, to me as a fan, anytime I

1161
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: see Rob Manfred, it's a boo And like it puts

1162
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: me in a weird scenario too, because I have a

1163
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: great relationship with a lot of people over at MLB

1164
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: and part of my job is to cover Major League Baseball,

1165
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: and I can't cover it without shitting on Rob Manfred.

1166
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: So what does that do for me going forward? What

1167
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: does that do for like my ties, Like this doesn't

1168
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: just cover players, it also covers the people who work

1169
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: at the stadiums, thousands of jobs that people are working

1170
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: you want to talk about. You know, everyone's saying, oh,

1171
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: the millionaires, they're not getting paid their money. About the

1172
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: people who are at the stadiums who aren't the millionaires.

1173
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: We're probably working similar jobs to you that are complaining

1174
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: about the millionaires. Those people don't have jobs. The security,

1175
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: the vendors, everything, everything is affected. It's not just about

1176
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: the players.

1177
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: Always the people who work in restaurants outside some states,

1178
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: people who work in hospitality at the hotels that a

1179
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: lot of these baseball teams go to a year after year.

1180
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: A lot of this is being taken away because the

1181
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: owners have just committed to absolutely killing the players right

1182
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: and negotiating with them. Also, like people like us like shit,

1183
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: but like if I've been grind away this for years,

1184
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: We're about to turn a fucking corner here. We had

1185
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: a great space the other night, Like if they could

1186
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: have agreed, we would have been fucking rocket shit, it

1187
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: been out of here. I'm fucked.

1188
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta think of content for the next month

1189
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: and a half. That is like, granted, I can make

1190
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: some content, but also at the same time, like the

1191
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: regular baseball season, that gives me a lot to talk about.

1192
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: That's what I want to talk about. That's why I

1193
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: did this because I want to talk about baseball. I

1194
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: don't want to live in the past. That's not what

1195
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: I'm about. Like, the past is cool, history is great,

1196
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: That's what my quizzitors are for. But I don't want

1197
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: to have to start making the twelve days of rankings

1198
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: talking about who are the best players from the nineties. Like,

1199
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: to me, that's no fun.

1200
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, none even cares about the nineties of baseball, Like

1201
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: no one cares at all. But like we also, you

1202
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: and I specifically are able to at least put what's

1203
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: going on in our lives out of it because of

1204
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: the plight of the players that they have do get

1205
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: there do and they cannot let Major League Baseball, for

1206
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: using their own words, break them. Because the future of

1207
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: this game is at stake. We need competition. It is

1208
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: a sport. I'm saying it again. We need third of

1209
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: the owners who are trying to win. Maybe you can

1210
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: tank a year here or a year there. You know

1211
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: you're not gonna have it. You know, money's bad, you know,

1212
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: like just and then you could you reconvene two years

1213
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: you got a competitive again. There's no more of these bullshit.

1214
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: Five year Tanks. No more of these seven years of

1215
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: an opportunity, No more of the Reds having one of

1216
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: the best core of a rosters in baseball and not

1217
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: paying for a shortstop letting Kyle Farmnihenos war has split

1218
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: it last year missing the playoffs by five games is

1219
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: anything more clear than that of teams not trying as

1220
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: hard as they can.

1221
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like they like to give you the

1222
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: idea they're spending, like, well, we gave Joey Vado a

1223
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: big contract and we trade for Sony Gray, but the

1224
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: rest of the team's shit, so it's actually not really

1225
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: that important. Like I mean, look at the Pittsburgh Pirates.

1226
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: They had that little run with Andrew Cutchy. Andre McCutcheon

1227
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: should have never left Pittsburgh. He should have been a

1228
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: lifetime Pittsburgh Pirate. And the dude doesn't end his career

1229
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: playing for the Pirates or even in the middle of

1230
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: his career, Like that's crazy, dude.

1231
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: What about Garrett Cole. They traded Garrett Cole with the

1232
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: first pick in the draft to super prospect. He was good,

1233
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: not great. They let him go they were scared to

1234
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: pay him. He's one of the best pictures.

1235
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Of this era Cleveland, Francisco Lindor traded him away. Jose

1236
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: Ramirez is a top ten player in baseball without a doubt,

1237
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: at least in my eye, my mind, and the Guardians

1238
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: have been actively trying to trade him for ever now.

1239
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: They don't want to pay him. They're not going to

1240
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: pay him. You talk about the pictures, they've all had,

1241
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: all gone, Corey Klueber, Carlos Carrasco, Mike Cleviger, all these guys,

1242
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: Trevor Bauer name we should not be named, but all

1243
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: those guys left Cleveland because they didn't want to pay

1244
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: them anymore. Like they had good teams. They were in

1245
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: the World Series, and they were like, you know what,

1246
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: because winning doesn't matter, we still make money. Whatever, We'll

1247
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: get rid of these guys. We just happened to get

1248
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: good one year.

1249
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll find the cheaper World Series hopefully the next

1250
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: fifteen years. We don't need it. Next year, why I

1251
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: push our chips in, we're gonna be able to win.

1252
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: We want to maintain these profits rather than actually try

1253
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: and do what we're here to do, and that's win

1254
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: fucking baseball games. And that again is the worst part

1255
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: of this whole thing.

1256
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: Yep. And I think part of this conversation too, let's

1257
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: tie it back into the METS here. I think a

1258
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: lot of this has to do with Steve Cohen coming in.

1259
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: I think as well so too, which is kind of

1260
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: a rhetoric that's going around Twitter right now. That's kind

1261
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: of the hot topic is is Steve Cohen almost to

1262
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: blame for this because he came in scalding hot and

1263
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: blew through the competitive bounced threshold. And when you are

1264
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: one of those poor teams like the Rockies and such,

1265
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: that scares you a little bit when you see people

1266
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: just willing to spend money like that because it makes

1267
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: you look horrible.

1268
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that public perception changes and it will put you

1269
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: with a more at the disadvantage of even just being mediocre.

1270
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: When a guy like Steve Conan will be like, I'll

1271
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: spend three hundred million dollars because I'm here to win

1272
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: baseball games. There is a sport. These guys in other

1273
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: sports have done too, And it seems like people don't

1274
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: want to let those those tax limits raise and they

1275
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: want to increase those penalties because they want to make

1276
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: sure that you can guarantee yourselves mediocretly, because even mediocrey

1277
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: can guarantee you massive amounts of profit. You could sell them,

1278
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: You could sell mediocrity easily. The Orioles are selling fifty

1279
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: wins a year for like five years now, like just

1280
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: having Steve Cohen someone who has fourteen billion dollars and

1281
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: is willing to spend it. Same thing with the blue Jays,

1282
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: Roger I don't remember. The blue Jay's owner is also

1283
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: very rich. He's the one who's in the Stone store

1284
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 2: from Steve Cone John Henry. The fucking stein Runners have

1285
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: been cheap, cheap Bassards for the last couple of years.

1286
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: Like this is a situation where the poor owners again

1287
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: are holding the league hostage and pretending that they're not

1288
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: gonna be able to pay enough to be competitive, when

1289
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: realistically they don't care enough to be competitive at all.

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Speaker 1: No, the Pirates and the Rockies and the Diamonbacks have

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Speaker 1: really had no true interest in being one of the

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Speaker 1: best teams, because if they did, they would have made

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Speaker 1: a lot of different.

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Speaker 2: Moves than they have been recently, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: And I guess the Mets fans just continues the Curse

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Speaker 2: of Us because we finally get an owner who is

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Speaker 2: willing to do it, and they're trying to make a

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Speaker 2: system where you came to spend that much money anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yep, where they want to make him pay for having

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Speaker 1: more money than everyone else in a league that's supposed

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Speaker 1: to not have a salary cap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other thing crazy to me people talk

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00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: about Baseball is like the most pure form of capitalism,

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00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: the free market system. This this is communism. We are

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Speaker 2: sharing our revenues. Fifty forty eight percent of money you

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Speaker 2: make is being dispersed among the other twenty nine teams.

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00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: Like that is ridiculous. And a lot of other teams

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Speaker 2: do do revenue sharing and it keeps a lot of

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Speaker 2: the small the small market teams competitive. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: I should get rid of it, but you gotta be

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Speaker 2: able to go to spend some fucking money here. You

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to pocket all that cash.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the money from revenue sharing should have

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Speaker 1: to go into payroll and then everything else you make

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Speaker 1: is up to you with what you want to do.

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Speaker 1: But it's like if you're if you're the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: Rays or you're the Colorado Rockies and your payroll is

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Speaker 1: operating under what you made from revenue sharing.

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Speaker 2: Which is around one hundred and twenty million, Like, what

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Speaker 2: are you doing?

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Speaker 1: What's what's happened to the rest of the money. It's

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Speaker 1: just going into their pockets and they don't want to

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Speaker 1: let go of it. Listen, I like money. I would

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Speaker 1: love to make more money. I'd love to have millions

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Speaker 1: and billions of dollars at my disposal. But also, if

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Speaker 1: I was the owner of a baseball team, I'm taking

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Speaker 1: the Steve Code approach. If I've got that money, I

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Speaker 1: want to win. Why do you own a major League

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00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: baseball team, like you said, a sport if you don't

1330
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: want to be the best, and you want to know why,

1331
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: because it is literally impossible to lose money. It is

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00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: just guaranteed to print money year after year. And that's

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Speaker 1: what's happened with this new or I shouldn't say this

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00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: new group of owners, but the owners that Bud sealeg

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00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: let in is that they went, I don't care about

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Speaker 1: being the best. I care about making money, and it's

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Speaker 1: impossible not to as a major league baseball owner.

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Speaker 2: And again the crux his entire problem. Last year's league

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00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: average payroll was one hundred and thirty two point two

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Speaker 2: million dollars, just a hair in terms of billionaire money

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Speaker 2: above what the revenue sharing was in twenty eighteen one

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00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen million dollars. And we know that League

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Speaker 2: revenue was higher in twenty twenty one than it was

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. So there's reason why while the information

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Speaker 2: is not public, there's reason to believe that that lumber

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00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: has increased, increase to the point where teams could very

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00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: easily be spending more than one hundred and eighteen million

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00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: dollars on payroll. And with that, eleven teams last year

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00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: spend less than one hundred million dollars in their payroll.

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Speaker 2: Eleven of them eleven organizations. A couple of them were

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. The Brewers great organization, The ray Is

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00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: great organization. The Guardians we said before, they do pretty,

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00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 2: they do well, but they don't spend any money. It's

1354
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: just it's broken. Something has to change, and power too. You.

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Speaker 1: We're not saying you can't still be good and spend

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Speaker 1: less money like the Brewers and the Rays do. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: We're just asking for that that salary to go up

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00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: with the league revenues. I if the Brewers want to

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00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: spend one hundred million dollars still after this, and there's

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00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: still one of the best teams in the National League

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Speaker 1: Central power to them, but raise the base pay of

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00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: the players because as we know, the revenues have gone up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and there's not something that was thrown away immediately,

1364
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: but fucking salary floor. Man, the salary floor should equal

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00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: the revenue sharing total in a year to year basis.

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Speaker 2: And it's saying that it doesn't.

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00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's ridiculous, but that's what happens when owners

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00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: hold all the power early at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, we just did. We just did fifty five

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Speaker 2: straight minutes on.

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Speaker 1: This, fifty five straight minutes ranting, raving, getting mad about this.

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00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: Just absolute joke of a lockout. This is ridiculous. Hopefully

1373
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, stick around for baseball content. Hopefully

1374
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: you guys stay baseball fans, and if it goes deep

1375
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: into the season, I can't blame you. I can't get

1376
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: mad if you if you're the average fan and you go,

1377
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: these guys aren't playing. I I got other things to do.

1378
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: I can't continue to wait around for baseball. But hopefully

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00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: they figure it out soon. Hopefully the owners, Rob Manford,

1380
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: they get a fucking clue and we can get some

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00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: baseball back here. But James, any last comments here, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just some newskeeping for the actual Mets if you're

1383
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: still with us after fifty five minutes talking about labor negotiations.

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00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: They hire two people to the organizations this week, two women,

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Speaker 2: the two highest ranking women the Mes've ever had in

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00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 2: the organization. First Elizabeth Benn, who's a new Major League

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00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: Director of Major League Operations, which is one step below

1388
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: the assistant gms Brent Alderson and z Asma and Ian Levin.

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00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: She's the highest ranking women in baseball operations in the

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00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: history of the Mets franchise, which is both uplifting it

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00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 2: a little bit sad at the same time. Yeah, yeah,

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00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: bitter sweet sweet, it's very bittersweet. But Elizabeth ben comes

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00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: to the Major League Baseball Office, you just spent last

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00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: five years working there. She started as the intern in

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00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: youth program. It's crazy, and last year she was the

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00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: senior Coordinator of Baseball Operations for the Major League Baseball Office.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy because like, I haven't got a job at MLB.

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00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: There you go. But while she but before she took

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: the job at MLB. She was a middle of high

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00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: school softball coach up at Harlem while she was completing

1401
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: her masters in philosophy from Columbia. Ever heard of it?

1402
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: Fucking smart, smart, fucking people.

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00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: And before that she wrote for a long time, like

1404
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: actual writing, like books and shit, like anything. She's a

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00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: smart cookie. And we also hired Gretcha A. Coin to

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00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: be a player development coach in the Mets system, the

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00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: first on field female coach in Mets history. So happily

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00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: the Mets have finally entered this century. All Coin played

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: college softball Tennessee, and she had been playing softball in

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00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: New Zealand for the last couple of years before getting

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00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: this job with the Mets. Yeah, so's there's no reason.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason that women she shouldn't be involved in this,

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00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: especially like front office player development. It doesn't matter. If

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: you can help this team win and you're gonna you're smart,

1415
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: and you're qualified, you should have just as good of

1416
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: an opportunity as anybody to get these jobs. So it's

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Speaker 1: good to see that the Mets are finally, like you said,

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00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: stepping into the twenty four century here and giving women some.

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00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: Some some respect. Yeah, it's very good about that and

1420
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: happy we can give you guys two minutes of Mets

1421
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: news and an otherwise dark dark day for baseball.

1422
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because, uh, that's pretty much it. Shout out to

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00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: Evan Roberts and Steven A. Smith for not being scabs.

1424
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: Two guys, You guys who I would have thought were scabs.

1425
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: You made me guess beforehand.

1426
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Steven A. Smith for sure I thought would

1427
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: have been a scab. And Evan Roberts, he's had some

1428
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: hot takes before, but hey, yeah, good, good on you,

1429
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: Evan Roberts, good for you.

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00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've given Evans a lot of shit on this program,

1431
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: but he has come hardcore being pro player over the

1432
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: last week, while his co host Creig Garden has not

1433
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: been so good for Evan.

1434
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: Shocker, Greig Carton is not the guy who was laundering

1435
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: money or whatever he did.

1436
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: He was involved in a like a ticket scam or

1437
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: some shit, went to jail.

1438
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, shocker, shocker. The criminal is pro player. But anyway, guys,

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00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: we're rambling on here. That's gonna be the end of

1440
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: episode number seventy seven of the Mets Up Podcast. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening, Thank you for watching. YouTube channel, mess

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Speaker 1: Up podcast, Twitter, Instagram at messed Up, followed James on

1443
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Speaker 1: Twitter at Jeter had no range, closing on four thousand

1444
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: followers as well, so make sure you drop him one.

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00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: Follow me at draftick mark with the Sea, and uh,

1446
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: we'll see you next week to talk about whatever the

1447
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: hell is going on in baseball. Literally don't have a clue,

1448
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: so tweets anything.

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00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: Possibly a big time guests coming next week for the

1450
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: old timers out there.

1451
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: Yes, possibly a big time guest and I will continue

1452
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: to talk about spaseball as we do. Hopefully games come

1453
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: back soon though, because god, I hate these weekly episodes.

1454
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you guys about games going on,

1455
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: That's what I miss.

1456
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: I really want to talk about Taiwan Walker's pitch mix.

1457
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: I can't can't wait, can't waits God damn it.

1458
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: Get rid of the sinker or whatever it is. But anyway, guys,

1459
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: thanks for listening, thanks for watching. We'll see you next time.

1460
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Speaker 2: Peace out, peace out, Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: The