1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Body Dots with Joseph Scott More. A few years ago, 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: my wife and I we lost our home in a 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: tornado here in Jacksonville. We lost everything. It was I'd 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: never experienced anything like that in my life. Of course, 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: we live in Alabama, and Alabama is known, i think, 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: right in the heart of southern version of Tornado Alley. 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: And the thing about a tornado is you don't really 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: have much of a warning. That's the way it was 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: with us. But there is one meteorological manifestation you do 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: have warnings for, and that's hurricanes. And being from Louisiana 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: and my family being from there, we have over the 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: generations written out a number of hurricanes. But you know, 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: you can kind of see it coming, can't you. You 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: can see it coming from a great distance up to 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: you to get prepared to do what you need to 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: do to take care of you and yours. Today, I'm 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: going to delve into a story that's been talked about 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: quite a bit, and it does have to do with Louisiana, 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: has to do with a hurricane, and it has to 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: do with a mother and daughter who I believe took 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: advantage of the system and gained it, and of course, 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: it wound up resulting in one of the most brutal 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: murders in recent memory. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is 24 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: bodybacks Dave I had. Can you believe that it has 25 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: been almost nineteen years since Katrina? 26 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: You know, Joe, nineteen years since Hurricane Katrina. And because 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: the media likes a round number, next year, for probably 28 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: three months before August and you know, up until the 29 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: twentieth anniversary of that hurricane, there will be a lot 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: in the media. Not so much this year, but next 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: year there will be. But that hurricane plays a central 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: part in today's episode about the death of D. D. Blanchard. 33 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: A lot of people when you say de de Blanchard 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: kind of go, I kind of know what you're talking about. 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: Maybe I remember chubby woman, and it's like if I 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: say Gypsy Rose Blanchard. 37 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: Now we know D. D. 38 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: Blanchard was the mother of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. And at 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: this point in time, Joe, when you brought up Hurricane Katrina, 40 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina was what allowed D. D. Blanchard to leave 41 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: the area where everybody knew her to go because she 42 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: had to. Hurricane Katrina caused her to flee everybody she knew, 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: and she landed in Missouri, and oh my gosh. Without 44 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina pushing her out and with Gypsy Rose, I 45 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: don't think the con would have ever gone as far 46 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: as it did. With what Dede Blanchard did and what 47 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: her daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard eventually did to her. There's 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: so much psychological stuff here, but today we're dealing with 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: the forensics and Joe. When you see somebody like this 50 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: that they just find a way to take advantage of 51 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: things that are devastating to others, opportunistic comes to mind. 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: There are opportunists everywhere you look, and I don't know 53 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: that I could magnify that anymore than turning the spotlight 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: today on Dede Blanchard, the mother Gypsy Rose Blanchard, because 55 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: you talk about a gamer, you talk about somebody that 56 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: knows the system, knows how to weasele their way around 57 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: the system, and that will that will turn anything within 58 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: her realm into a utility that she can use to 59 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: not just survive, but literally two enricher at the expense 60 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: of anybody else. It's arguably, it's arguably one of the 61 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: most disgusting things in the world, and of course. 62 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: What's really bad is she's the victim of our story today. 63 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, she is the victim of the story and in 64 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: a sense that you know, she's she's a homicide victim, 65 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: and obviously one of the most talked about cases, you know, 66 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: within I don't know, the last two decades, three decades, 67 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: one of them. I mean, we've got a whole pantheon 68 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: of cases now, but this kind of sticks out. I 69 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: Mean there's been I wish you and I had a 70 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: dollar for every every television show that's been done, you know, 71 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: about these circumstances, articles that have been written, books that 72 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: have been written, all these sorts of things. But when 73 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: it comes down to it, you've got the genesis of 74 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: this twisted tale that starts off Obviously, it starts off 75 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: when you know, when DeeDee gets pregnant with this fellow 76 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Blanchard's child and she's you know, she's living down actually 77 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: on the west side of the city or the metro 78 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: area of New Orleans, down toward the swamps, that area 79 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: that people generally associate, you know with, you know, like 80 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: that show that's on television where they were going out 81 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: hunting Gate, you know, chewed them, cheat them all that 82 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: that that area down there, which I have an affinity for. 83 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: It's quite beautiful if you've never been to the swamps 84 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: and seen it down there. But you know, that's kind 85 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: of what she, you know, comes from that environment down there. 86 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: People are very poor, they don't have a lot, and 87 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: she found herself pregnant. Now she's I don't know, several 88 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: years older than the guy that she got pregnant by. 89 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: They got married before she was pregnant. I did not 90 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: know that until I was researching this. I assumed since 91 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: she was twenty four and Rod Blanchard was eight at 92 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: the time of of Gypsy Rose birth seventeen when they 93 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: got together. He was seventeen when they got together, and 94 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: they did get married. I that just shocked me. I 95 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 2: just assumed he got her pregnant and they got married, 96 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: or they got you know, any number of things, but 97 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: not got married and then got pregnant. So do you 98 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: know where the name Gypsy Rose comes from? There's an 99 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: actual real reason, and I I assumed it was something else. 100 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: But it's not right, No, it's not. It's kind of disappointing. 101 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Rod Rod Blanchard was a big fan of 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: guns and roses. Yeah, that's where the Rose Park came from. 103 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: I had no I know, and Mom liked the name Gypsy. 104 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, now gypsy is like a 105 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: pejorative term, you know that people, you know, people get 106 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: in a twist about. I don't know if that population, 107 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: that segment of the world population actually is offended by it, 108 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: but there's people out there that are professionally offended by everything. 109 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: And so you know, she was a term where I 110 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: was supposed to know, oh. 111 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, And so she saddled with this name to 112 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: begin with uh. And that's you know, that's essentially how 113 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: this child starts her journey but in life. 114 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: To back up just a little bit, when we mentioned 115 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: the story is about the murder and aftermath of Dee 116 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: Dee Blanchard, when Dede Blanchard and Rod Well, when Deed 117 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: he married Rod and they had Rod had already decided 118 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: to leave before Gypsy Rose Blanchard was born. They were 119 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: no longer cohabitating together. He had left and when, and 120 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: the reason was real simple, Dede you mentioned a minute. 121 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: It was an opportunist. She was a con woman. She 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: was a con artist. And he realized that fairly early on. 123 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: This is not an honest person that I want to 124 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: be with. So even though she's pregnant and even though 125 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: they're married, Rod got away and Dede did what she 126 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: pretty much she became the victim of social by using 127 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 2: her daughter from her infancy, claiming that Gypsy had sleep 128 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: apnea as an infant that should sleep avena. That was 129 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: the first trek into the hospital and in a matter 130 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: of months anything and she wasn't nurses a. Dede Blanchard 131 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: knew a plenty of different issues medically oriented that she 132 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: could utilize to make claims that you don't have to, uh, 133 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: you can't really prove kind of like if you if 134 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: you if you're kind of a if you're a rich bum, 135 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: you know you come from a family of wealth, but 136 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: you don't really have a job or a career. You 137 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: could claim to be a photographer, you can claim to 138 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: be a writer. You don't actually have to prove anything 139 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: to claim those as careers. Filmmaker, Yeah, there you go, 140 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: there you go. And Dede Blanchard realized there are a 141 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: number of medical elements maladies that one can say their 142 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: child has based on symptoms that only you can see 143 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: and require treatment. 144 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: And that's what Yeah, and let me give you another 145 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: example to this very non specific diagnosis, which by the way, 146 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: they never could confirm this, this non specific diagnosis of 147 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: seizure disorder. Oh yeah, well, you know, seizures have there's listen. 148 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: I could sit here for hours and we could literally 149 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: talk about all of the variety of seizures that are 150 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: out there. It's not all epilepsy. There's a variety of 151 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: things that seizures can arise from. And so you think 152 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: about this, it's very non specific. You get this kind 153 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: of sense for this, and write you our day about D. D. Blanchard. 154 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: She had a peak, if you will, behind the curtain 155 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: relative to the medical world and the world of medicine 156 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: and treatment. And I listen, I don't doubt that probably 157 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: in her work as a nurse's age she had encountered 158 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: people that were in fact gaming the system. They're everywhere. 159 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, after much planning, she 160 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: played the medical community and even more broadly, the communities 161 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: that she landed in like a fiddle. Friends, I'm sure 162 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 1: that you will. You're scratching your head right now and 163 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: you're thinking, Morgan, have you lost your mind? Why are 164 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: you talking about this case? Because it's it's old now, 165 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: it is an old case. Well, the reason I'm talking 166 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: about this case today is that, and I've told you 167 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: about this, Dave my inbox, my email from all of 168 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: these news outlets, I started getting hit. I guess it 169 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: was this past Monday because people were losing their minds 170 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: over the fact that these crime scene photos from the D. D. 171 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: Blanchard homicide had apparently been kind of, I don't know, 172 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: reinjected into the public forum, into the conversation. They've been 173 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: re released, and now they're making the circulation around and 174 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: so people, you know, I had these folks reaching out 175 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: to me about the graphic nature of them. They some 176 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: people even want me to hold forth on the idea 177 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: of why people want to see these images, and so, 178 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, it really made me begin to think, well, 179 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: what's what's the purpose behind all of this? And look, 180 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: I know that Gypsy Rose, who obviously now is famously 181 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: out of prison. My god, you know, they they have 182 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: anointed her, you know, as like she's in the zeitgeist, 183 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: as they say, she's everywhere. You can't get past her. 184 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: She's out there, she was with a boyfriend, she thought 185 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: she was pregnant. Then she's going to get some kind 186 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: of television show. She's had a nose job, now she's 187 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: getting married, now she is pregnant, you know, and all 188 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: of this stuff. And you know, Dedi's I'm going to 189 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: make a really dangerous comment here right now. Are you 190 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,119 Speaker 1: ready for this? Hopefully this doesn't collectively end our careers. 191 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: Dedi's no longer around. She's a homicide victim. So I 192 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: guess my question is who is it that's ol there 193 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: that is now using Gypsy Rows for their own benefit? 194 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Because it's I can tell you this, it's not little 195 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: old Gypsy Rose that's pushing her out and making her 196 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: part of the national conversation. Again. This person she has 197 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: utility for other people, just like she had utility, I 198 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: submit to you, just like she had utility for DD. 199 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: And now she's out there and people are drinking this 200 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: in day in and day out. They can't get enough 201 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: of it. 202 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: Dave, So you're suggesting that Gypsy Rose is taking advantage 203 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: of what she did. 204 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Yes, And also I would tell you that people that 205 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: have a lot of money, a lot of money in 206 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: media and entertainment also see the opportunity, oh to exploit 207 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: this situation. 208 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: I think that two words there opportunity and exploit. Those 209 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: are two things that Rose learned early. And there are 210 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: those are two things that are learned in media and 211 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: those who take advantage of certain stories and exploit them. 212 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: And I don't know why people want to look at 213 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: crime scene photos, but I know this, Joe. We go 214 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: to movies all the time to see the gore. We 215 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: see fictionalized gore. And and now over the last power 216 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: many years, we see more reality. 217 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: Not me. I only watch I only watch rom comms. 218 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: Dave, Yeah, and you only read Playboy for the articles. 219 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: But when you get right down to this, you've got 220 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: plenty of people that are interested. Because we watched this 221 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: child that we thought was sick, that had all of 222 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: these issues and her single mom just struggling to make 223 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: things work. And we saw the video she was named, 224 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: you know, queen of this and king of that. I mean, 225 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: the awards came in from exod. 226 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: I was fascinating. And you know, I don't think I 227 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: don't think I remembered that necessarily, because this stuff gets 228 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: so poleful on and layered. You forget that every little 229 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: spot that she kind of inhabited DEDI would use that 230 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to insert this child into these and all the while, hey, 231 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: get this, you talk about a lot of activity going 232 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. So as she's outwardly promoting the 233 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: horror of all of these so called ailments this child had, 234 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: she's backstage, you know, telling them to do things like, yeah, 235 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: well she's drooling really bad, let's go ahead and take 236 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: out her salivary glands. Just let that resonate with you 237 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: just for a second, if you know. There's a term 238 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: that she used, and it generally applies to people that 239 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: work that are former military types that go and hire 240 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: their self out, and it's called mercenary. Mercenaries have more 241 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: honor than this. Mercenaries are going out selling their selling 242 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: their skill set to the highest bidder. She's literally using 243 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: her daughter as a product. 244 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: At the end, Tom and Gypsy Rose knew it because 245 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: while her mother just to give you a very quick 246 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: look at this, Gypsy Rose Blanchard was honored as the 247 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven Child of the Year by this 248 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: only foundation that promotes their advocating those who have to 249 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: use a feeding tube. Now, I don't know that this 250 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: is a huge deal, Like do people that have a 251 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: feeding tube get picked on? I don't know. I just 252 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: know that this group raises money to raise awareness for 253 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: those who have to have a feeding tube. And Gypsy 254 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: Rose Blanchard was the Foundation's Child of the Year because 255 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: she had a feeding tube. This is a girl whose 256 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: mother lied about her age so that she would be 257 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 2: younger and had her use a feeding tube that she 258 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: didn't need to get her nourishments. Rose Blanchard was on 259 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 2: a liquid pedia, lah Pedia, sure pedia care things you 260 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: give a child that is sick, you know that they get. 261 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: She had that totally. She was in her twenties. This 262 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: is how deep this went. And by the way, when 263 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose Blanchard was told by her mother, you have 264 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: muscular dystrophy or muscular sclerosis. You have to use a 265 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: walker because your legs don't work right. And even though 266 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: the little girl's gone, they seem to work fine to me. 267 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: You know, she's raised on this going. But they could 268 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: give out on you at any moment. You need to 269 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: use these, you know. Then she is in This little 270 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: girl who's so sick, is in a motorcycle accident with 271 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 2: her grandfather when she's seven or eight years old. She 272 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: skins her knee, skins her knee. Her mother takes her 273 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: to the emergency room because she has all of these 274 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: other issues. They admit her, you know, to take a 275 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: look and make sure she's okay. She's there for a 276 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: skinned knee, Joe, but because of the other issues, they 277 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: she's checked in. Now, what happens when you leave the hospital? 278 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: When you're a patient at the hospital and you are leaving, 279 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: what did they do? They wheel you out in a wheelchair. 280 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother convinced her after the skinned knee, 281 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: the doctor gave her a wheelchair because that's what she 282 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: needs to use. Now, that's when Gypsy Rose ended up 283 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: in the wheelchair, and you. 284 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: Think about the utility of a wheelchair. Listen, I'll be 285 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: the first one admitted here. I'm chief among sinners. I 286 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: stare at people that are in wheelchairs. I can't. I mean, 287 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to turn away, you know, because when 288 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: I see if I'm in a location, I'll look and 289 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: see if someone is actually riding about in a wheelchair. 290 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: I want to know what happened to them. You know, 291 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: what's going on with this. Don't think for two seconds 292 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: that Dede did not look at the wheelchair and see 293 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: that as an outward manifestation or an outward demonstration rather 294 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: of what was going on with this child. If she'll, 295 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: if she would go to the links of having a 296 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: feeding tobe inn as child to have unnecessary surgeries and 297 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: these wild, wild diagnoses that were being made, which by 298 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: the way, the line chair of them were made in Louisiana. 299 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: And this brings us to Katrina. You know, you put 300 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: forth this supposition that she's been diagnosed with MS and 301 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: that now because of Katrina, they have to be evacuated 302 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: where they were living in Slighte l Louisiana, which is 303 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: just if you follow it ten it's just to the 304 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: east of New Orleans. You have to cross a part 305 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: of Lake Pont Training to get there. They were living 306 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: in public housing there and granted, slide l got hit, 307 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: they got hammered by Katrina, and they did lose things, okay, 308 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: And then they were they moved to Covington, Louisiana, which 309 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I have a lot of relatives in Covington, and there 310 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: was a special facility where if you were handicapped in 311 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: any way you could stay there. And so they move 312 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: into this and it's it's where this is where the 313 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: sea got planted by the the the therapist, the physician 314 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: that was actually treating them, and said, hey, I'm from 315 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: the Ozarks. I'm from the Ozarks. Maybe you guys ought 316 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: to give that area of the country a try. 317 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: Really, that's where they came from. 318 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it came from someone within that clinic that recommended, yeah, 319 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: you need. 320 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: To be I wondered, how how did they why of all. 321 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: The all the places in the world that you know, 322 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: while southwest Missouri, which is a beautiful place and there 323 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: many times my wife's family is from up in that 324 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: region and I and you know, it's gorgeous, it's those arcs, 325 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: and but you know, the one thing that it doesn't 326 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: have is knowledge. They didn't have knowledge of what had 327 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: been going on with these two to begin with. So 328 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: they get to show up and there's you know, it's 329 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: like now they're going to tap into a completely new 330 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: vein of gold that they've discovered. They've kind of exhausted 331 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: everything in South Louisiana at this point. You know, how 332 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: many how many more crowns can you put on the 333 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: little girl in the wheelchair, Well, let's go somewhere else 334 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: where there are more crowns, and the crowns are just 335 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: merely representative of all of the bounty that's going to 336 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: be afforded to them in this location. 337 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: And course is the fact that she truly is a 338 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: sick little girl with a lot of issues and a 339 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: mother struggling to take care of her. 340 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to, yeah, we have to go 341 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: back to Dave. You have to understand as well. And 342 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: there was, there was all kinds of fraud that went 343 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: on as a result of Katrina. This is merely and 344 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: I can't say that this was fraud on her part 345 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: relative to Katrina. It's an opportunity though the nation is glued. 346 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, the nation is glued 347 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: to this drama day in and day out, watching people 348 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: on the roofs of homes. Helo's coming in to try 349 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: to evacuate people out of there. There's imagery of the dead. 350 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: And you know, my friends at the Orleans Parish Corner's 351 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: office down there, they had to relocate, can you imagine, 352 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: And they couldn't deal with the volume of bodies. They 353 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: had to you know, they had to have refrigerated trucks 354 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: where they could transport the bodies to a location once 355 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: they were recovered. Because you didn't know who they were. 356 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: It was madness, absolute madness, and everybody's drinking us in. 357 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: So if you're up in southwest Missouri, all the way 358 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: away from South Louisiana, and she shows up and she's 359 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: got this child in tow by the way in a wheelchair, yep, 360 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: and they say, you know, more Porridge police. You know, 361 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: they're they're there in this environment where they can they 362 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: can leverage every bit of this. And these people, oh 363 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: my god, these these people from South Louisiana, they're you know, 364 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: they're they've been through Katrina. Oh my gosh, they've been 365 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: through the Ringer. Let's open our hearts and God bless them. 366 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the people up there just gave and gave 367 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: till it hurt, and you know, and they saw she 368 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: saw the advantage in that, and. 369 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: She saw when people had questions because experts in the 370 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 2: field know how this plays out, and they know what 371 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: somebody with these issues looks like, acts like, talks like, 372 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: sounds like. And yet when questions came up about previous diagnosis, 373 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: previous help, surgeries, what have you, Yeah, sadly, you know, 374 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: it was all lost in Katrina. And so you have 375 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 2: to trust this woman who has gained the system to 376 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: tell you what's really going on with her daughter that 377 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: you see is certainly in bad shape. She's in a wheelchair, 378 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: her hair is a lot of times her have we 379 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: shaved her mother claimed it was from chemotherapy. 380 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Or chemotherapy, yeah, yeah, and this is the term. This 381 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: is what she had, if I remember correctly, let me see, 382 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: it was, we're going to go ahead and shave your head, 383 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: because you're going to lose your hair anyways. Best that 384 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: you go ahead and get used to this, and we're 385 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: going to slap a wig on you. And you know 386 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: it's at some point in time, you know that I 387 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: would imagine that that Gypsy Rose. You know, she's starting 388 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: to go into her teenage years now, she's you know, 389 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: like all teenagers, you're going to rebel. She's starting to 390 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: understand that she's being played, I think to a great degree. 391 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: And that creates a perfect storm, if you will, for 392 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: somebody it's got this little flame that's burning inside of 393 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: them that doesn't want to be a part of this. 394 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: I can't look. I can't imagine everything that she went through. 395 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't know nobody could. I don't think unnecessary surgeries 396 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: and all this stuff you know. But there was one 397 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: physician up there in Springfield that and he was a neurologist, 398 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: I believe that was taking a look at labs and 399 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. And he's thinking, this doesn't marry 400 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: up with what I have been trained to look for 401 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: as as a clinician, you know, as far as this 402 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: manifestation with the MS and all of this. He makes 403 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: a phone call back to New Orleans where this diagnosis 404 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: was actually made, and they did a biopsy of muscle 405 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: tissue on her and there's a manifestation that you can 406 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: see if you have this condition where it presents at 407 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: a cellular level and you're looking, you know, in the 408 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: microscope at this and they said, yeah, we it was 409 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: We never didn't make that diagnosis. There was no evidence 410 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: of it there. And so he's thinking, this guy was 411 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: actually told that you need to tread very carefully here 412 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: if you're going to call her out, you know, and 413 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: say that she's lying. Wow, because you know, she had 414 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: gained everybody to this point. And I think that Gypsy Rose, 415 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: you know, was certainly aware that she was you know, 416 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: she she had grand utility, I guess if you will, Yeah, yeah, 417 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: and that's just it and so when you move forward 418 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: in this case and you begin to understand that she 419 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: had in fact run the course, I guess she came 420 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: to the conclusion that she wanted to be free of this. 421 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: But how do you do this? How do you do this? When? 422 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: And I had this vision I can't remember some one 423 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: of these cars to things that my kids watch, one 424 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: of these movies where you've got the princess in the 425 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: tower and there's a dragon garden the tower. You know, 426 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: how do you get past if you want to save 427 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: how do you get past the dragon this garden the tower? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 428 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: that's what it was. And so you know you're thinking 429 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: about this, and you're thinking, you know, how do they 430 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: get access? You know, how does she escape this? How 431 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: does she escape it? And that's that's when this Gatta 432 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: John person makes this presentation in her life. And I 433 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: got to tell you, dude, hell followed after it. Who's 434 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: going to be the white night here, Who's going to 435 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: come riding in to saved? The little girl in the 436 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: wheelchair that's had her salivary glands surgically removed, who's been 437 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: told that she's, you know, got cancer, that she's been 438 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: told that she has these other horrendous diseases. You know, 439 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: it's smacks of I guess. You know. People throw around 440 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: the term Munchausen by proxy syndrome, and there's a part 441 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: to that for me. With Munchausens, it's generally the mother 442 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: trying to get attention. But it doesn't seem like a 443 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: pure Munchausens because Munchausen's people are not there to necessarily 444 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: profit financially. Dedi is a scam artist and she's profiting 445 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: off of her child's illness. So you can say Munchausen's 446 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: if you want to, But it's not just about the 447 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: attention that she's getting. It's about everything that comes along 448 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: with it, Dave. 449 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: Her financial survival was based on the illnesses suffered by 450 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose. The daughter. Gypsy Rose was twenty one and 451 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: playing much younger than her actual biological years, and she 452 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: was using the Internet. And this is twenty twelve, all right. 453 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: We're not talking about a time before the internet. We're 454 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: talking about somebody who is inside their home with access 455 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: to the Internet and a phone and everything else, and 456 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: that's where she meets. You mentioned his last name. Go 457 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: to John Nicholas. Good, Wait a minute, go to John 458 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: right to John, all right, Nicholas, go to John. Gypsy 459 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: Rose communicates with him online through a Christian singles website, 460 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: and itsent enough. He's from Bend, Wisconsin and she's there 461 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: outside Springfield, Missouri. As they meet and develop an online relationship, 462 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose is starting to confide in people, in particular 463 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: a nextdoor neighbor who's a friend of hers kind of 464 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: talk to her like a sister, and she's talking to 465 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: this neighbor about eloping with Go to John. That they've 466 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: communicated at this point where go to John, has you 467 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: know you mentioned the white Knight who's going to get 468 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: her away from this overbearing other. Obviously, Gypsy Rose knows 469 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: she doesn't have all these maladies that she's pretending to have. 470 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: She does her squeaky voice. Granted, she doesn't have much 471 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: education where it is that she probably only completed maybe 472 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: first grade, maybe not, but she didn't go to school, 473 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 2: so her intellect, her education is not there. She talks 474 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: like a child. She uses the wrong verbs and things, 475 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: so she sounds like a child who has a lot 476 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: of issues, but she's really an adult woman who's now 477 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: in her twenties, so she has adult feelings and everything else, 478 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: and that's where Nicholas got John comes into play. They're 479 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: talking online. There are aspects of the flirting that become 480 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: very sexual, and some see that Gypsy Rose God bless 481 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: her in terms of her growing up years being taken 482 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: advantage of by her mother. Some suggest that go to John, Nicholas, 483 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: Go to John was a sexual predator and he was 484 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: preying upon Gypsy Rose. I don't know if that's true 485 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: or not. I don't know. I wasn't there, And to 486 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: be honest with you, there's so much this story to unpack, Joe, 487 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: we would need Bethany Marshall and a few other Sykes, 488 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: you know. But ultimately she and Nicholas come up with 489 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: a plan to get rid of Dede Blanchard. They can't 490 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: see any other way. I guess Gypsy Rose feels trapped. 491 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: So they be on the loping and anything else that 492 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: she could be drawn back to her mother, and I'm 493 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: sure Nicholas is there helping along the way because we 494 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: know what happened. But they decide to kill Dede Blanchard 495 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: while she's asleep. So Nicholas Good or Down travels from 496 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: Wisconsin to Springfield, Missouri and us Yeah by bus. 497 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: I think she had sent him the money in order 498 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: to facilitate this. And here's the thing, Dave. So when 499 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: when they when they had gotten passed, you know, kind 500 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: of the whole online thing where they're getting to know 501 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: one another and they get off into this kind of 502 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: sexual deviant kind of thing that's going on in the 503 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: world of the internet. Sense, Gypsy Rose had told him 504 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: that if he showed up, she would have everything set 505 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: up for him. Now he was familiar with the home, 506 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: obviously he had been there. But here's the thing about it. 507 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Timing had to be just right. So people people that 508 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: say that go to John, who has some pretty serious 509 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: mental issues to begin with, and has an IQ that 510 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: is in the low end, all right, I think that 511 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: he could probably be pretty easily manipulated. She's furnishing everything, 512 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean everything from duct tape to a knife, all 513 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: of these sorts of things. But she's also furnishing him 514 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: with with a timeline and you know, when mom is 515 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: going to go to bed, it's the best time to 516 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: do this sort of thing. And this has played out 517 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: very distinctly. And this brings us back to, you know, 518 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: our conversation today about the photography here when you see 519 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: when you know, I have seen this myriad of photographs 520 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: that have come out, this crime scene photography has come out, 521 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's really really it's very graphic stuff. You 522 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: know that he had to have an awareness of what 523 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: was going on. So to say that he did this 524 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: solely on his own, he may have been the perpetrator 525 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: as far as it goes to plunging this knife at 526 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: least seventeen times into Deedee's body as she lay there 527 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: in bed. I don't think that her hand, her hand 528 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: being Gypsy Rose's hand was not in this. And you know, 529 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: she's portrayed herself as having gone into the bathroom, sat 530 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: on the floor, covered her ears so that she didn't 531 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: have to hear mom screaming and this sort of thing. 532 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: How much truth there is to that job? 533 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: You know? I have? And here's here's something. And actually, 534 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: my my wife at Kim had pointed this out to me. 535 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: He was she was like, was indeed like a kind 536 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: of a big. 537 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: Robust, robust woman. 538 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and he's he's a pretty tiny, tiny fellow. 539 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: And so I'm thinking, I'm thinking, well, did he truly 540 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: pull this off by himself? Did he facilitate this, and 541 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: I got to tell you that one of the things 542 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: that really struck me from a forensic standpoint, and that's 543 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: why photographic documentation is so important in our field, is 544 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: that there are a couple of places on Dede's bare 545 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: back because he her skir her nightgown was raised up. 546 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: To Before we get to that job, yeah, we kind 547 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: of skipped go to when Gypsy Rose, Blanchard and Dedi 548 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 2: go to a doctor's appointment. Nicholas go to John comes 549 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: into Springfield. Gypsy then it Rose hands him the packet 550 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 2: of gloves, duct tape, and knife and wait for her 551 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: to go to sleep. The timeline they know what time 552 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: DDI's going to sleep because she's on a regular routine. 553 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 2: Once she's in bed asleep, that's when Gypsy Rose claims 554 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: she goes to the bathroom MC covers her ears while 555 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: Nicholas goes in and stabs Dde Blanchard seventeen times at 556 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: least while she's asleep. As you mentioned, Dede is not 557 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 2: a small woman. She is a handful and then some 558 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: so the idea that unless his first strike, unless his 559 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: first thrust of the knife somehow made it impossible for 560 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: her to fight back Joe. Yeah, I'm not picturing it. 561 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 2: And because she does have some extra weight on hers, 562 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: some extra bulk, I'm not I guessing that first knife 563 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: is enough to take her out. 564 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it would be. It's certainly, uh, 565 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: it would be a mammoth undertaking. I think for him 566 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: to well, well, first off, it'd be dumb luck, I 567 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: think to right, Yeah, of course she's got She does, 568 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: in fact have a very nasty injury to the back 569 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: of her head and some people have are to the 570 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: back for neck, and some people have characterized this as 571 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: as almost a decapitation. I've seen this injury and you 572 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: can see down through the layers of fat uh to 573 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: the subcu fat in the back of her neck. Dave, 574 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: this is not a stab wint. This is an incized one. Okay, 575 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: so the now the might be stabbing that's associated with 576 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: it within the wound, but the back of her neck 577 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: is literally opened up and then she's got multiple stab 578 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: winds and interesting, you know, le enough, the medical examiner 579 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: Slash Corner that was present at the scene, they have 580 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: a gloved hand on in the photograph and they're pointing 581 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: specifically to the insult at the back of the neck. 582 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: You can see them there. You can't see the person, 583 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: you just see their gloved hand pointing. And that's something 584 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 1: that we do at crime scenes, you know, because we're 585 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: not going to clean it up there. You don't want 586 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: to do that. You want to have it in pristine condition, 587 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: untouched in that environment. Because if you wash well, and 588 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this, if you wash 589 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: or wipe away anything, you're destroying evidence there. You have 590 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: to be able to contain it. And that's what they 591 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: were doing. And they're pointing to the number and the 592 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: clustering of these injuries. But Dave, you know what one 593 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: thing is really fascinating about this that I saw. I 594 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: think I saw two of them. There's a transfer bloody 595 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: handprint on her back, her bare back where you can 596 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: see that a hand has been placed and it's in 597 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: And I've seen this happen before. I famously had a 598 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: a a domestic abuse case many years ago, where this 599 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: this guy was he would take his belt, he'd get drunk, 600 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: he'd take his belt off and he would beat his 601 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: wife with it, and then he drank and well, he 602 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: passed down on the sofa drunk. He had beaten her 603 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: with a belt. The belt was still laid on the floor, 604 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: and she got on top of him and there were 605 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: bloody handprints all on his back. She broke the knife 606 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: blade off in his back. Wow, as a steak knife. 607 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. But you could actually make out. 608 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: And I used this to teach my students about trace 609 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: evidence and transfer evidence and this sort of thing. You 610 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: can actually see this on her back, but I think you. 611 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: Could see the handprint on d. D. Blanchard. 612 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can clearly, clearly demonstrated. 613 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that DEDE. Blanchard has been stabbed at 614 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 2: least seventeen times. She's got the wound to the neck. 615 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 2: But was her body then positioned or was what else 616 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: was going on? Because the entire focus of today is 617 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 2: about the photographs that were taken at the scene of 618 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 2: the crime, which have now been released, and I do 619 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 2: not know what type of value they have other than 620 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 2: prurian interest that these photos could possibly have to anyone 621 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 2: other than Again, I don't see this as a teachable 622 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 2: moment here. 623 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: But it's not. 624 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: It's taken. 625 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's teachable in the sense that 626 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: if you're running a forensic science program or crom scene 627 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: program somewhere, and they're not the best quality photos that 628 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: I've ever seen generated from a crime scene. 629 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 2: All right, a these photos how important? 630 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you how important it is. It's it's important 631 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: in the sense of you've frozen that moment in tom 632 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: You've captured it where let's just say, for instance, and 633 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about forensic photography this way, you're there, 634 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: your eyes on as an investigator, where you are snapping 635 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: these photographs to tell a story about what actually happened 636 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: this case. Let's just say a case like this might 637 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: go and solve for fifty years. Well, by the time, 638 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: by the time the case makes any headway, everybody that 639 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: worked that case is either retired or dead. So all 640 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: we have to rely on is the photographic documentation, any 641 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,959 Speaker 1: kind of notes that were taken at that moment time 642 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: that can take us and transport us back to that 643 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: moment in time. That's why it's so important when you 644 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: do crime scene photography that you have frozen those moments 645 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: day to the point so that and you make it, say, dude, 646 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: you make it so clear that when these new investigators 647 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: get their eyes on all of this documentation, you literally 648 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: transport them back in time day. Just think about how 649 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: powerful that is. You know. One of the things I 650 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: think about is like the Hindenburg blowing up. You know 651 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: that film reel, which is like the first time something 652 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: like that ever happened, you know, like documenting in real time. 653 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and how horrific that was, 654 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: but you get a sense for that moment in time 655 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: you're transported back. 656 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 2: Well. 657 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: With crime scene photography, one of the things that we 658 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: do is just so that to give people kind of 659 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: a primer about this, you imagine D. D. Blanchard's body 660 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: as the center of a clockface, okay, or the center 661 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: of ampus is actually a better example of this. If possible, 662 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to start off on all four points of 663 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: the compass, taking what's referred to as macro photographs, that is, 664 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: in the broadest sense, where I'm going to be extending 665 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 1: out to the most distal, western, eastern, northern, and southern 666 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: perspective of this body. Then I'm going to move in 667 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: about half that distance and do it again, and then 668 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: half that distance again and do it again, all the 669 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: while kind of tightening down that focus. Because if you 670 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: think of yourself as observing something. Let's say you've got 671 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 1: damage to your car and you walk out. You don't 672 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: just look at the damage to your car that's in 673 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: your driveway and say and walk right up to it 674 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: and say that's it. You're going to get a wide, 675 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: broad ranging perspective because your perspective might change, and every 676 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: view that you have of the scene is going to 677 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: be lost after that body has gone, maybe long after 678 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: this little habitat for humanity home is taken down to 679 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: the ground at sometime in the future. You've frozen that 680 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: moment in time. And so when you get down to 681 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts, when you get into the microphotography 682 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: here and I say micro, I'm using that very very loosely. 683 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: It's not like we're using a microscope. I'm just talking 684 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: about macro, broad, micro small. And you begin to look 685 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: at those little details. That's why I wanted to point 686 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: out the handprint to you, or the nature of the 687 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: stab ones. You know, I can see that stab wound 688 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: at the scene, even though it's crusted in blood. I 689 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: can appreciate the scene that this is a single edged weapon. Okay, well, 690 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: if I can delineate that, I know that I'm not 691 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: looking for a dagger. I know that I'm looking for 692 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: a blade, for a knife, for a sharp instrument that 693 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: only has a single edge to it, so that that 694 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: kind of narrows things down at that point in time, 695 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: and any of the other associated Yeah, yeah, pretty clearly. 696 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: You see it better in the morgue once it's cleaned up. 697 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: But for our purposes, there might be that moment in 698 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 1: time where you're standing there with a detective and if 699 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: you're doing the examination, you say, look at this, and 700 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: you see that it is single edged and single edge. 701 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: I always tell people a knife wound looks like a 702 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: winking eye, and it kind of does it if you 703 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: imagine the outer portion of the eye is where the 704 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: actual blade is. The inner portion of the eye is 705 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: kind of the blunted backstrap of the knife itself. And 706 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: so you're looking at this and then you can get 707 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: an idea Dave also in the orientation of how the 708 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: weapon was held. Now, I'm not saying people always ask me, 709 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: can you tell the individual's left handed right handed? That's 710 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: very difficult to do. There are people out there that 711 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: say that they claim they can do that. I'm sure 712 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: that there are. It's not something I would want to try. 713 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: But I can tell you the orientation of the knife. 714 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: I can tell you that they were holding it so 715 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: that the blade, the sharp edge was was oriented to 716 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,760 Speaker 1: the left or to the right. And if it's oriented 717 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,479 Speaker 1: to the left and the right, because you're talking about 718 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: seventeen injuries, you have to the idea is that they 719 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: changed their position relative to the attack. They maybe changed hands, 720 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,760 Speaker 1: went to the offhand, and they got tired. Stabbing somebody 721 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: is something that is physically taxing to undertake, and so 722 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: you're documenting that all along. I guess the question that 723 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: I would ask is what's the public's need to see this? 724 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 2: Right? That's my whole point, Joe. When Yoused told me 725 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 2: these pictures were going to we're getting out there, I 726 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 2: thought they were like pictures that had been edited, that 727 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 2: things have been blocked out, and we're talking about real 728 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 2: crime scene photos that have made their way into the 729 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 2: public on purpose. 730 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: Apparently, Yeah, they've been released on very broadly. I mean 731 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: they're worldwide now. I mean they're on a Google drive 732 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: that somebody just kind of released, and it's my understanding 733 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,479 Speaker 1: they have been released before. But again we go back 734 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: to this idea. Doesn't this come full circle? Yeah, we 735 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: go back to this idea that it's all a show. 736 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: It's all a show, Dave, because now we're super saturated 737 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: in the media with Gypsy Rose Blanchard. We're following her life, 738 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: we're seeing everything that's gone on. And let me throw 739 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: this out to you as kind of the cherry on 740 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: top of the Sunday. Not only do we get to 741 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: see Gypsy with her plastic surgery on her nose, not 742 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,360 Speaker 1: only do we hear about her breakup with her boyfriend. 743 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: Not only do we hear she's getting married. Not only 744 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 1: do we hear that she's pregnant. But to round it 745 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: all off, let's show the images of her slaughtered mother. 746 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: Regardless of how you might feel about Dede Blanchard, ask yourself, this, 747 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 1: what's the purpose. I know it has nothing to do 748 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: with forensics. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks.