WEBVTT - "Fender Benders" w/ Amy Zimmer 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.120 Hey, it's Sam with a quick little show announcement. As 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.440 you may know, I've been running my hour trying to 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.320 really figure it out, and so I've been doing it 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.279 in New York and LA and all those dates have 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.120 sold out, so I've just had to add one more 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.000 New York date and one more LA date. So in 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.120 New York I'll be at Union Hall on May third, 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.320 that's a Sunday, and then in LA I will be 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:42.120 at Lyric Hyperion on May fourteenth, that's a Thursday. So 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.400 I would simply love to see you there. I've been 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.320 really having a good time doing this and I appreciate 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.440 you guys coming out and make me not like a 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:55.800 fucking idiot. Okay, enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.160 Wow Wow Wow, we are coming at you from New 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.760 York City once again. I feel absolutely amazing. George, how 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:02.080 are you. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.280 I'm realizing I'm sitting in a different chair than I 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.479 usually like, I'm sitting on the right and you're sitting 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:08.840 on the left, and it's sort of like when a 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.959 couple decides to mix things up by switching places. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.320 On the bed. Wow role playing. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.800 I'm not used to turning to my left to see 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.800 you really. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it. That's interesting. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.480 Are you feeling more powerful? 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.640 I'm feeling like I don't believe you really, but yeah, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:27.960 there's a part of me that's like, do I not 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.360 sit here always? And you're right, of course, thank you, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.520 but I personally internally don't believe you. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.640 I think. So there's one chair where you're sitting that 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.600 has table space for your drinks and my chair doesn't. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.600 And I'm actually, if you can tell, my drinks are 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.920 in my kind of nestled in my crotch because I 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.840 have nowhere to put them. And I think that is 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.240 already putting me in kind of the inferior position. And 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.320 you're right, and I'm already making myself smaller and kind 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.400 of you know, pre I'm kind of like, okay, like 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:58.639 you can take charge today. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.040 Oh wo daddy. Well, well, you know when I sit 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.760 in that see, I do put the drinks on the 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.920 floor and I do reach for them, and it does work. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.840 It's not as easy, but okay, cool, thanks from a 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.440 hot tip. You know, you've had a blessed life so far. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.400 So how was your show last night? Absolutely to die for? 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.680 I was getting distracted by the lights. Yeah, and there 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.760 were points when I was like, wait, what am I doing? 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.600 But other than that, I had a great time. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.600 So you're on stage, you're in the middle of your hour, 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.160 everyone's loving it, and you have the realization do I 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:30.040 really want to be here? 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.520 I have the realization that light's too bright? Yeah, and 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.440 I'm like, wait, that light's too bright. I'm like, can 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.000 we pause? And it's like wait, no, stop it stop. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.000 Well you actually can. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.840 What is your relationship to like breaking the fourth wall 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.200 vis a vis talking to the venue. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.600 I think it's okay in the first ten minutes. Really yeah, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:49.160 oh see. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.880 I think like in the middle of the show, to 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.200 be like, to be doing crowd work, maybe it's not 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.360 going well, and to be like turn the turn on 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.000 the house lights. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.560 I think that's fun. No, I think turn on the 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.600 house lights. It's fun. But if you're like, m if 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.160 it's too like nuanced, it loses something. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:03.680 I see. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.320 Yeah, But I want to discuss a little bit more 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.920 about your flawed dinner plans last night. Okay, Well, I 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:12.080 feel like this is a rich topic. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.480 It interesting you bring that up because our guest is 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.320 complicit in the dinner plans being flawed, So I'm not 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:17.840 I don't. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.680 I don't. I don't want to call her out, like actually's. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.160 Sitting there silently. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.840 Oh, I didn't realize that when you were telling me 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.800 about the flawed dinner plans, you waited until she went 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.560 to the bathroom so it could be a secret. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.240 So pretty much, I would say, what happened last night 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.640 is I was attending the screening of Our Dear Friends film, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.640 which you couldn't attend because of course you had your 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.320 big show. Yeah, some of us have to work on 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.880 our side. The show that you had to stop multiple 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.760 times to change the lighting and the audience selection. You 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.480 had to say, I don't like how the how this 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.040 front row is looking to switch for the third. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.080 Row, so be fair, that's true, you didn't like the 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.280 front row. Oh my god, chatty, Oh my god. People 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:53.840 are chatting more and more. You know. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.800 It's like you hear people taking out their phones and movies. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.120 People in comedy shows are having full conversations. They're like, so, wait, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.240 who did you vote for? I can hear you. I 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.360 was like, this is the part where you listen right. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.800 It made I was really blown away. I love when 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.320 you say something someone maybe doesn't recognize, you know, a 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.080 reference and they turn on their part and they're like, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.520 what was that movie the person like Devil is Proud? 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.440 Uh with Meryl Streep. Yeah, Oh she was so good 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.599 in that. Yeah, she deserved the oscar. You're like, excuse me, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.039 I've be not on the next topic, and it's how 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:20.960 to say her democracy. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.039 Yeah, listen up, because this can make changes. Should we 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:29.960 bring in our guest? Yes, well pretty much our guest. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.479 It's interesting she reinvents herself every time she comes on 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.720 the podcast, and this time she is coming on as 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.640 a serious traumatic actress and promoting a film that is 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.159 quite literally produced by Janice or distributed by Janis Films 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.200 and Criterion, And it seems like I'm making that up 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.840 and that she's going to play a character, but that's 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.760 actually actually not a character's film is called Blue Heron 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.279 and I saw it last night and was in fact 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.839 blown away. And I was in a state where I 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.839 needed to be blown away because the last few films 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.839 I'd seen were the last of the Academy Award Best 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.680 Picture nominees that I had been putting off. You're saying, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.279 we're talking f one, We're talking Hamnet. I needed to 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:12.080 be inspired. I was starving for beauty, and you were fed, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.120 and I was fed, and I said yum, yum yum. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.160 Unfortunately I was fed so much that then dinner had 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.400 to be pushed back two hours because I guess all 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.760 of us were full from the artistic output we had witnessed. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.880 Well, I can't wait to hear both sides of this 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.400 story of the failed dinner plans. Please welcome to the podcast, Amy, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.040 Semmy Zimmer. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:27.359 Hello. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.839 It's not a stradio lab up without some sort of 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.320 wrench and our rapport and George Jaman swinging with some 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:36.039 allegation to. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.479 The allegations were said. Secretly, I was saying, you know, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.719 there are all these I think you were actually well behaved, 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.839 Just to be to be clear, you're not. You're not 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.640 the person I'm upset at. There's all these kind of 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:56.919 staring because she's along in the room. There's there's always 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:01.120 these stereotypical faux pause people can make in a group 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.080 dinner settings setting. 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.040 Right, So I'm not to go Seinfeld mode, but it's true. Well, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:06.480 that's the time. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.240 It's very it is very like observational comedy, like don't 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.080 you hate when your friend does this? And then and 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.039 then you're splitting the mail and someone says I didn't 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.560 have the appetizer. There's all these stereotypes. Luckily there was 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.600 no drama with bill splitting this time. But it's like. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.040 Everyone's got because everyone's got that. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.640 Oh, don't worry, I put my card down. I said 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.800 I'll tip two thousand percent. I don't care. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:30.840 I won't even notice it. I don't give it. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.880 I'll get some delta points. Basically, it's like some people 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.120 are saying, oh, maybe we'll join later. There's a dinner 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.719 being planned. Okay, that was me, that's all right. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.440 So some people are saying I'll join later. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.760 Some people are joining, and then in the middle of 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.960 the dinner being like, I have an early flight tomorrow, 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.120 maybe i'll leave, but I actually not going to decide 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:51.520 if I'm going to leave. Yeah, and I'm going to 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.000 sort of like tease the concept of me leaving. While 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.600 ordering food. Other people are saying, I have a diet terroristiction. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:05.039 Other people are saying, you know, I'll come, but you know, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.800 sort of go to the bathroom first for twenty minutes. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.040 That one I just made, not me, It was not you. No, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.880 you actually were very regular. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.000 Thank you, thank you. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:14.480 Yeah. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.920 Well, to be fair, the event was kind of right 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.520 at a classic dinner time. So I understand the frustration, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.880 and I really hope with enough in her work, you 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:22.320 get there. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.040 But yeah, do you guys panic when the event says 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:31.320 six pm? Uh yeah, I panic. Yeah, Well, I. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.160 Think something that we should mention in this instance. So 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.560 the screening was at six pm. Amy, of course not 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.160 only has seen the movie, but is in it, so 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.600 she didn't feel the need to attend. The screening was 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:41.640 totally normal. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.520 She introduced it with the director. Yes, you and the 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.000 director bang out of it. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.360 The director introduced the screening and then as you know, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:51.760 I would have done in your position. 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:52.480 Left. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.080 Now here's what's interesting. They had dinner during the screening. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.679 Oh now that adds an interesting element. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:04.200 All I'm being cruisive for leaving having dinner. You were 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:09.240 especially about dinner because you were Actually it wasn't centered on. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.200 This is interesting. This is classic. This is classic dinner 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.240 for me and not for the Yeah, well, you were 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.240 watching the film. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:16.679 Did you want to come to dinner instead? 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:18.720 When I was in the film, I was locked in. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.640 Okay, great, you weren't thinking maybe I could be a 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.120 dinner now. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.600 I'll say this though. At the reception, a Q and 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:25.760 A kept getting teased. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:27.440 Yeah, well that was that. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.800 I expected one as well, but it was sort of 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.520 there was a mutability last night that was kind of electric. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.440 They did and people were leaving they weren't. Yeah, but 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.320 everyone was having a good time, is the thing. Yeah, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.840 no one was frustrated about the lack of. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:41.240 No, I hope not. 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:42.680 Yeah. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.160 I had a great time all things considered. I gotta 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.040 say so that you had gripes. I'm glad we're airing 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.960 now with the lights on me from every A you know. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.640 So, George, since there was no Q and eight have 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:54.360 any ques now? 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.640 A lot of a's, And there's just a lot of 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.480 things I would like. If you have any questions for 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.080 me Amy about the film, I would be thrilled to 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.240 answer them. And even if you get it, did I 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:06.560 get it? 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.800 Get it? Okay? And if you have any questions for 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.440 me as someone who hasn't seen it but has follows 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.600 you on social media? Oh, and sort of what that 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:14.120 might mean? 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.160 What kind of stories do you think I should post 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:17.199 moving forward about it? 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.120 I think what you're doing is so perfect. You're being 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:21.920 so mysterious. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.520 But yeah, I'm really because I'm just sharing the movie 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.120 so that what's mysterious about. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:27.959 Because you're straight forwardly promoting it. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:29.480 You're not sharing the full movie, You're just sharing the poster. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:30.840 I mean, like, by the way I'm in this, I'm like, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.319 what are you talking about? You don't get it? 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:34.120 Literally? 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:35.400 Okay, so you guys both don't get it. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.280 Have you considered sharing the full film? 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:37.720 Yeah? 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.040 Maybe vertical little Well that's coming. I'm talking with Janis. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.640 We're getting up a you know, a plan. 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.199 You should tell Janni's films they should get into short 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:46.320 form vertical video. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:47.800 Do you think I have to tell them? You think 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.240 they're not already taking initiative. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.840 To be honest, I question if they're taking initiative when 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:52.480 it comes to short for. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.880 I was watching them at a Taste of Cherry in 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.199 the corner while the movie was screening into fifteen seconds. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.760 CLIs they should get into. They should work with people like, 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:05.760 you know, Jake Shane, Brittany Bronski, Brosky Broski, excuse. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:13.040 Me, Brittany Grande. They should work with a variety of 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:17.720 LGBTT plus influencers, maybe kind of branch out into like 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.800 red carpet content at the VMA's What else can we. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.720 Recommend for Jeni's films viral pranks. Yeah, have they considered 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.800 doing viral pranks? They have this amazing talent based you know, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:30.360 they have this. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.400 Amazing group of talent. You know, they could bring in get. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.120 Set up kind of like a boyfriend girlfriend pranks. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:37.760 I love those. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.160 You know when when a boyfriend kind of violently plays 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.400 dead yes, well and the girlfriend walks in being like babe, 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.599 oh my god, and he's you know, put ketchup on 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.960 himself and cut himself in a bit, sort of an 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.720 illusion of such and it's quite violent. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.760 And actually, do need a documentary on people who do couple. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.160 I'm obsessed with a couple of pranks. Actually I could 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.400 have came and hot with that, but I'm obsessed with 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.720 a couple of pranks. I think they're actually maybe the straightest, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:02.320 most violent thing. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.320 You know, it's interesting. Yeah, there is a version of 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:12.800 the prank you just described in your film, Am I Am? 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.079 Is this on? Can we can? 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:17.280 We? 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.120 I don't know what they want or not, but to 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.880 realize that is I'm out of my body right now. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.479 Did you feel like but it wasn't relational? 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.400 I mean, it wasn't It wasn't romantic. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.000 And no spoilers mind a way. So Blue hairn is 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.880 about a prankster who in some ways Sam describes the 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.480 movie not having not seen it. What we're talking about. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.080 This is great for the film. 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.720 Yeah, it's about a prankster who's a girl. Yeah, Amy, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.120 before we started recording, something kind of crazy happened. 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.599 Was just here it comes again tokeedo number. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:55.840 Two, Locked and loaded. Yeah, where you actually said glasses, 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.199 no glasses and we said, oh my god, glasses and 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.760 you said, you know these are just blue blockers. Yeah, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.400 they're not real. And I said, I thought you wore 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:06.880 glasses your whole life. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.240 And which is amazing because you know, Sam and I 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.080 have known each other for what upwards of how many 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:16.480 years decade? I have never worn glasses once, and so 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.079 in his mind, I assume you've thought I've had contacts 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.280 on every day of my life until now. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.679 You do have the look of someone that has just 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.080 taken off her glasses. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.200 I must say, well, thank you. 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.120 You have a look of someone who's like before, the 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.480 look of someone who's like okay. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.960 Yeah, it's like okay, so the the upward, the oh. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.320 This isn't gonna work, but we can if you email Susan, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:41.520 then maybe we can get. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.640 It thinking the skirts are too wrapped, if that makes sense, 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.880 and if we could just tear the skirts instead of having. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.600 The wrap, if we could do one fewer. I'm happy 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.480 to get in there myself. But I have that meeting 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:53.280 at two thirty, and I. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.520 Think we're in a good place, but just progressing forward. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.480 If the skirts could be kind of tiered. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.520 Did that? How did that make you feel? To be 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.959 so unseen, to be so unclocked? 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:04.400 Added to the list. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.960 You know, all my life, you know, just having to 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.960 correct make corrective, corrective moves. Now people see you gotta 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:12.760 let it go. You gotta be free, You gotta be yourselvy. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.800 I to say, hey, someone thinks I've worn glasses all 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:15.160 my life? 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:16.719 Who am I to? Who might have stop them in 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.400 their fantasy? 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:22.480 That's true? Yeah, that's true. I guess I feel I 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.400 feel guilty, and I am going to try to pay 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:30.280 more attention to what to what women are wearing, Sam, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:36.480 what women wear? What is gaslating she's been wearing? 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.160 She think if you put all our episodes back to 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.520 back and just did a super edit of you guys, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:43.160 sort of. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.640 What exposing you as me bringing up. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.360 Things that I had no idea where on your mind 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.960 about me, about my personhood, about my personality. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:53.240 I mean, what is that about? 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:53.640 I wonder? 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.280 Because we're good friends, right like, we have funly giggle 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:56.720 and laugh. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:57.640 And when you. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.840 Inserted yourself via AI into this that was made independently 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.480 without your involvement, and then burst into the Janis Film's 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.520 offices and said, I'm. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.600 Ready to promote what was going through your head? 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.320 Well, you know it was a choice made well before 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.040 the conversations about AI took off, and so I think, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.520 you know, the ideas about generative AI hadn't been such 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.600 a such a lightning rod, and so when I decided 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.360 to do that, I just kind of felt like, you know, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.240 there's no stop in it, you know what I mean? 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.600 And you were right, you know, forget a year ago, 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.360 the conversation was completely completely different, completely different, and everybody. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.120 Was coming forward saying do this, do it? And so 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.920 who was I to get in the way of generative 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:44.760 AI and. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.960 Things like that, And they say make your own opportunities, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.720 you know, yes, generate that may any means possible, even 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.640 if that means holding a gun to the head of Jenis. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.280 Well that wasn't me that was Ai. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.760 Oh right, right right, that's interesting that you said himself. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.160 I always imagined the head of Janni's films to be 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:01.640 a woman named Janis. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.400 So that would be iconic. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.400 These are my films, These are my films, These are 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:08.920 my films, These are my films, These are Janics. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.560 No one gets between Janis and her films. That's that. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:12.960 Don't make me cry just thinking about that. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.000 She got rid of her middle name because she said, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.080 I am just Janis. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:21.600 Films, Jannis p films. So, yeah, I have a question 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:30.960 for you. I'm struggling with, okay, earnestly, okay, fine, I'm 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.320 struggling with finding a comedic entry point and talking about 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:35.080 your work. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.760 Yeah, oh because this because this film, as I actually 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.840 have now set off Mike, is a serious drama. You 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.920 are fully giving a dramatic, non comedic performance, no offense 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.240 if you were aiming for slapstick but failed. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:51.840 Yeah, I know. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.680 There's there's a moment in it actually where it gets 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.280 some titters that I'm secretly proud of. But it's sort 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.760 of not meant to be funny in the least, and 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.120 I there's just a tinge of comedic relief in it. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.680 But not really decided upon. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:05.000 Definitely, it's a drama. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.560 It's a drama. I must say. It works beautifully. And 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.440 I also think, just on a separate personal level, it 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.960 depicts being the child of like non native English speakers 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.760 in this case Canada, but also America in a way 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.360 that I hadn't ever seen. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:25.880 If anyone is interested in that kind of depiction. 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:32.880 Regardless of all of that, I'm like, how do we 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.400 speak about this film comedically without sort of without like 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.760 implying that we're making fun of it, you know what 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:40.120 I mean. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.240 Yeah, I haven't figured it out yet because. 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.600 It is just sort of like a deeply I think, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.600 a deeply felt drama. Yes, And it's always funny because 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.040 I talk about my background in comedy and people ask 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:56.880 how I came to it. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.960 And also we've done Q and a's over festivals. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.040 And things like that, and people are a lot of 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.080 the time quite emotional after the movie, and I'm always like, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.000 you know, I'm so used to riffing in a Q 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:08.720 and A or something like that, and it's just not 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.080 the it's not the moment. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.240 So I don't know yet, But do. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.640 You feel your alienating audience is left and right in 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:20.000 that sense. No, oh okay, if. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.560 You have than that? Now you had one amazing riff 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.520 after So the film ends, oh god, credits role, it's 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.440 you come out, Yeah, and you're handed to Mike. What's 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.159 your amazing rift to break the tension? 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:38.920 Can you believe all that? 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:40.280 And that was real? 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:40.760 The old one? 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:42.879 Is that final cut? 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.119 Yeah? 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:45.360 I thought this was a comedy. 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No I should I say what 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:50.119