Speaker 1: Hey, it's Sam with a quick little show announcement. As
Speaker 1: you may know, I've been running my hour trying to
Speaker 1: really figure it out, and so I've been doing it
Speaker 1: in New York and LA and all those dates have
Speaker 1: sold out, so I've just had to add one more
Speaker 1: New York date and one more LA date. So in
Speaker 1: New York I'll be at Union Hall on May third,
Speaker 1: that's a Sunday, and then in LA I will be
Speaker 1: at Lyric Hyperion on May fourteenth, that's a Thursday. So
Speaker 1: I would simply love to see you there. I've been
Speaker 1: really having a good time doing this and I appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys coming out and make me not like a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot. Okay, enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now.
Speaker 1: Wow Wow Wow, we are coming at you from New
Speaker 1: York City once again. I feel absolutely amazing. George, how
Speaker 1: are you.
Speaker 2: I'm realizing I'm sitting in a different chair than I
Speaker 2: usually like, I'm sitting on the right and you're sitting
Speaker 2: on the left, and it's sort of like when a
Speaker 2: couple decides to mix things up by switching places.
Speaker 1: On the bed. Wow role playing.
Speaker 2: I'm not used to turning to my left to see
Speaker 2: you really. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Are you feeling more powerful?
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like I don't believe you really, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that's like, do I not
Speaker 1: sit here always? And you're right, of course, thank you,
Speaker 1: but I personally internally don't believe you.
Speaker 2: I think. So there's one chair where you're sitting that
Speaker 2: has table space for your drinks and my chair doesn't.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually, if you can tell, my drinks are
Speaker 2: in my kind of nestled in my crotch because I
Speaker 2: have nowhere to put them. And I think that is
Speaker 2: already putting me in kind of the inferior position. And
Speaker 2: you're right, and I'm already making myself smaller and kind
Speaker 2: of you know, pre I'm kind of like, okay, like
Speaker 2: you can take charge today.
Speaker 1: Oh wo daddy. Well, well, you know when I sit
Speaker 1: in that see, I do put the drinks on the
Speaker 1: floor and I do reach for them, and it does work.
Speaker 1: It's not as easy, but okay, cool, thanks from a
Speaker 1: hot tip. You know, you've had a blessed life so far.
Speaker 1: So how was your show last night? Absolutely to die for?
Speaker 1: I was getting distracted by the lights. Yeah, and there
Speaker 1: were points when I was like, wait, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: But other than that, I had a great time.
Speaker 2: So you're on stage, you're in the middle of your hour,
Speaker 2: everyone's loving it, and you have the realization do I
Speaker 2: really want to be here?
Speaker 1: I have the realization that light's too bright? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, that light's too bright. I'm like, can
Speaker 1: we pause? And it's like wait, no, stop it stop.
Speaker 1: Well you actually can.
Speaker 2: What is your relationship to like breaking the fourth wall
Speaker 2: vis a vis talking to the venue.
Speaker 1: I think it's okay in the first ten minutes. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: oh see.
Speaker 2: I think like in the middle of the show, to
Speaker 2: be like, to be doing crowd work, maybe it's not
Speaker 2: going well, and to be like turn the turn on
Speaker 2: the house lights.
Speaker 1: I think that's fun. No, I think turn on the
Speaker 1: house lights. It's fun. But if you're like, m if
Speaker 1: it's too like nuanced, it loses something.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I want to discuss a little bit more
Speaker 1: about your flawed dinner plans last night. Okay, Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a rich topic.
Speaker 2: It interesting you bring that up because our guest is
Speaker 2: complicit in the dinner plans being flawed, So I'm not
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to call her out, like actually's.
Speaker 2: Sitting there silently.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't realize that when you were telling me
Speaker 1: about the flawed dinner plans, you waited until she went
Speaker 1: to the bathroom so it could be a secret.
Speaker 2: So pretty much, I would say, what happened last night
Speaker 2: is I was attending the screening of Our Dear Friends film,
Speaker 2: which you couldn't attend because of course you had your
Speaker 2: big show. Yeah, some of us have to work on
Speaker 2: our side. The show that you had to stop multiple
Speaker 2: times to change the lighting and the audience selection. You
Speaker 2: had to say, I don't like how the how this
Speaker 2: front row is looking to switch for the third.
Speaker 1: Row, so be fair, that's true, you didn't like the
Speaker 1: front row. Oh my god, chatty, Oh my god. People
Speaker 1: are chatting more and more. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like you hear people taking out their phones and movies.
Speaker 2: People in comedy shows are having full conversations. They're like, so, wait,
Speaker 2: who did you vote for? I can hear you. I
Speaker 2: was like, this is the part where you listen right.
Speaker 2: It made I was really blown away. I love when
Speaker 2: you say something someone maybe doesn't recognize, you know, a
Speaker 2: reference and they turn on their part and they're like,
Speaker 2: what was that movie the person like Devil is Proud?
Speaker 2: Uh with Meryl Streep. Yeah, Oh she was so good
Speaker 2: in that. Yeah, she deserved the oscar. You're like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: I've be not on the next topic, and it's how
Speaker 2: to say her democracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen up, because this can make changes. Should we
Speaker 1: bring in our guest? Yes, well pretty much our guest.
Speaker 2: It's interesting she reinvents herself every time she comes on
Speaker 2: the podcast, and this time she is coming on as
Speaker 2: a serious traumatic actress and promoting a film that is
Speaker 2: quite literally produced by Janice or distributed by Janis Films
Speaker 2: and Criterion, And it seems like I'm making that up
Speaker 2: and that she's going to play a character, but that's
Speaker 2: actually actually not a character's film is called Blue Heron
Speaker 2: and I saw it last night and was in fact
Speaker 2: blown away. And I was in a state where I
Speaker 2: needed to be blown away because the last few films
Speaker 2: I'd seen were the last of the Academy Award Best
Speaker 2: Picture nominees that I had been putting off. You're saying,
Speaker 2: we're talking f one, We're talking Hamnet. I needed to
Speaker 2: be inspired. I was starving for beauty, and you were fed,
Speaker 2: and I was fed, and I said yum, yum yum.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I was fed so much that then dinner had
Speaker 2: to be pushed back two hours because I guess all
Speaker 2: of us were full from the artistic output we had witnessed.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to hear both sides of this
Speaker 1: story of the failed dinner plans. Please welcome to the podcast, Amy,
Speaker 1: Semmy Zimmer.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 4: It's not a stradio lab up without some sort of
Speaker 4: wrench and our rapport and George Jaman swinging with some
Speaker 4: allegation to.
Speaker 2: The allegations were said. Secretly, I was saying, you know,
Speaker 2: there are all these I think you were actually well behaved,
Speaker 2: Just to be to be clear, you're not. You're not
Speaker 2: the person I'm upset at. There's all these kind of
Speaker 2: staring because she's along in the room. There's there's always
Speaker 2: these stereotypical faux pause people can make in a group
Speaker 2: dinner settings setting.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm not to go Seinfeld mode, but it's true. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the time.
Speaker 2: It's very it is very like observational comedy, like don't
Speaker 2: you hate when your friend does this? And then and
Speaker 2: then you're splitting the mail and someone says I didn't
Speaker 2: have the appetizer. There's all these stereotypes. Luckily there was
Speaker 2: no drama with bill splitting this time. But it's like.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got because everyone's got that.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't worry, I put my card down. I said
Speaker 2: I'll tip two thousand percent. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I won't even notice it. I don't give it.
Speaker 2: I'll get some delta points. Basically, it's like some people
Speaker 2: are saying, oh, maybe we'll join later. There's a dinner
Speaker 2: being planned. Okay, that was me, that's all right.
Speaker 1: So some people are saying I'll join later.
Speaker 2: Some people are joining, and then in the middle of
Speaker 2: the dinner being like, I have an early flight tomorrow,
Speaker 2: maybe i'll leave, but I actually not going to decide
Speaker 2: if I'm going to leave. Yeah, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: sort of like tease the concept of me leaving. While
Speaker 2: ordering food. Other people are saying, I have a diet terroristiction.
Speaker 2: Other people are saying, you know, I'll come, but you know,
Speaker 2: sort of go to the bathroom first for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: That one I just made, not me, It was not you. No,
Speaker 2: you actually were very regular.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, to be fair, the event was kind of right
Speaker 4: at a classic dinner time. So I understand the frustration,
Speaker 4: and I really hope with enough in her work, you
Speaker 4: get there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, do you guys panic when the event says
Speaker 1: six pm? Uh yeah, I panic. Yeah, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Think something that we should mention in this instance. So
Speaker 2: the screening was at six pm. Amy, of course not
Speaker 2: only has seen the movie, but is in it, so
Speaker 2: she didn't feel the need to attend. The screening was
Speaker 2: totally normal.
Speaker 1: She introduced it with the director. Yes, you and the
Speaker 1: director bang out of it.
Speaker 2: The director introduced the screening and then as you know,
Speaker 2: I would have done in your position.
Speaker 1: Left.
Speaker 2: Now here's what's interesting. They had dinner during the screening.
Speaker 2: Oh now that adds an interesting element.
Speaker 4: All I'm being cruisive for leaving having dinner. You were
Speaker 4: especially about dinner because you were Actually it wasn't centered on.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. This is classic. This is classic dinner
Speaker 1: for me and not for the Yeah, well, you were
Speaker 1: watching the film.
Speaker 5: Did you want to come to dinner instead?
Speaker 2: When I was in the film, I was locked in.
Speaker 5: Okay, great, you weren't thinking maybe I could be a
Speaker 5: dinner now.
Speaker 2: I'll say this though. At the reception, a Q and
Speaker 2: A kept getting teased.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that was that.
Speaker 4: I expected one as well, but it was sort of
Speaker 4: there was a mutability last night that was kind of electric.
Speaker 4: They did and people were leaving they weren't. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: everyone was having a good time, is the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: no one was frustrated about the lack of.
Speaker 5: No, I hope not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had a great time all things considered. I gotta
Speaker 4: say so that you had gripes. I'm glad we're airing
Speaker 4: now with the lights on me from every A you know.
Speaker 1: So, George, since there was no Q and eight have
Speaker 1: any ques now?
Speaker 2: A lot of a's, And there's just a lot of
Speaker 2: things I would like. If you have any questions for
Speaker 2: me Amy about the film, I would be thrilled to
Speaker 2: answer them. And even if you get it, did I
Speaker 2: get it?
Speaker 1: Get it? Okay? And if you have any questions for
Speaker 1: me as someone who hasn't seen it but has follows
Speaker 1: you on social media? Oh, and sort of what that
Speaker 1: might mean?
Speaker 5: What kind of stories do you think I should post
Speaker 5: moving forward about it?
Speaker 1: I think what you're doing is so perfect. You're being
Speaker 1: so mysterious.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm really because I'm just sharing the movie
Speaker 4: so that what's mysterious about.
Speaker 2: Because you're straight forwardly promoting it.
Speaker 1: You're not sharing the full movie, You're just sharing the poster.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, by the way I'm in this, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You don't get it?
Speaker 3: Literally?
Speaker 5: Okay, so you guys both don't get it.
Speaker 2: Have you considered sharing the full film?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Maybe vertical little Well that's coming. I'm talking with Janis.
Speaker 4: We're getting up a you know, a plan.
Speaker 2: You should tell Janni's films they should get into short
Speaker 2: form vertical video.
Speaker 4: Do you think I have to tell them? You think
Speaker 4: they're not already taking initiative.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I question if they're taking initiative when
Speaker 1: it comes to short for.
Speaker 4: I was watching them at a Taste of Cherry in
Speaker 4: the corner while the movie was screening into fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2: CLIs they should get into. They should work with people like,
Speaker 2: you know, Jake Shane, Brittany Bronski, Brosky Broski, excuse.
Speaker 7: Me, Brittany Grande. They should work with a variety of
Speaker 7: LGBTT plus influencers, maybe kind of branch out into like
Speaker 7: red carpet content at the VMA's What else can we.
Speaker 2: Recommend for Jeni's films viral pranks. Yeah, have they considered
Speaker 2: doing viral pranks? They have this amazing talent based you know,
Speaker 2: they have this.
Speaker 1: Amazing group of talent. You know, they could bring in get.
Speaker 5: Set up kind of like a boyfriend girlfriend pranks.
Speaker 1: I love those.
Speaker 4: You know when when a boyfriend kind of violently plays
Speaker 4: dead yes, well and the girlfriend walks in being like babe,
Speaker 4: oh my god, and he's you know, put ketchup on
Speaker 4: himself and cut himself in a bit, sort of an
Speaker 4: illusion of such and it's quite violent.
Speaker 1: And actually, do need a documentary on people who do couple.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with a couple of pranks. Actually I could
Speaker 4: have came and hot with that, but I'm obsessed with
Speaker 4: a couple of pranks. I think they're actually maybe the straightest,
Speaker 4: most violent thing.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. Yeah, there is a version of
Speaker 2: the prank you just described in your film, Am I Am?
Speaker 1: Is this on? Can we can?
Speaker 8: We?
Speaker 4: I don't know what they want or not, but to
Speaker 4: realize that is I'm out of my body right now.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like but it wasn't relational?
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't It wasn't romantic.
Speaker 1: And no spoilers mind a way. So Blue hairn is
Speaker 1: about a prankster who in some ways Sam describes the
Speaker 1: movie not having not seen it. What we're talking about.
Speaker 5: This is great for the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about a prankster who's a girl. Yeah, Amy,
Speaker 1: before we started recording, something kind of crazy happened.
Speaker 5: Was just here it comes again tokeedo number.
Speaker 1: Two, Locked and loaded. Yeah, where you actually said glasses,
Speaker 1: no glasses and we said, oh my god, glasses and
Speaker 1: you said, you know these are just blue blockers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not real. And I said, I thought you wore
Speaker 1: glasses your whole life.
Speaker 4: And which is amazing because you know, Sam and I
Speaker 4: have known each other for what upwards of how many
Speaker 4: years decade? I have never worn glasses once, and so
Speaker 4: in his mind, I assume you've thought I've had contacts
Speaker 4: on every day of my life until now.
Speaker 2: You do have the look of someone that has just
Speaker 2: taken off her glasses.
Speaker 1: I must say, well, thank you.
Speaker 2: You have a look of someone who's like before, the
Speaker 2: look of someone who's like okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like okay, so the the upward, the oh.
Speaker 2: This isn't gonna work, but we can if you email Susan,
Speaker 2: then maybe we can get.
Speaker 4: It thinking the skirts are too wrapped, if that makes sense,
Speaker 4: and if we could just tear the skirts instead of having.
Speaker 2: The wrap, if we could do one fewer. I'm happy
Speaker 2: to get in there myself. But I have that meeting
Speaker 2: at two thirty, and I.
Speaker 4: Think we're in a good place, but just progressing forward.
Speaker 4: If the skirts could be kind of tiered.
Speaker 1: Did that? How did that make you feel? To be
Speaker 1: so unseen, to be so unclocked?
Speaker 5: Added to the list.
Speaker 4: You know, all my life, you know, just having to
Speaker 4: correct make corrective, corrective moves. Now people see you gotta
Speaker 4: let it go. You gotta be free, You gotta be yourselvy.
Speaker 4: I to say, hey, someone thinks I've worn glasses all
Speaker 4: my life?
Speaker 5: Who am I to? Who might have stop them in
Speaker 5: their fantasy?
Speaker 1: That's true? Yeah, that's true. I guess I feel I
Speaker 1: feel guilty, and I am going to try to pay
Speaker 1: more attention to what to what women are wearing, Sam,
Speaker 1: what women wear? What is gaslating she's been wearing?
Speaker 4: She think if you put all our episodes back to
Speaker 4: back and just did a super edit of you guys,
Speaker 4: sort of.
Speaker 2: What exposing you as me bringing up.
Speaker 4: Things that I had no idea where on your mind
Speaker 4: about me, about my personhood, about my personality.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is that about?
Speaker 3: I wonder?
Speaker 4: Because we're good friends, right like, we have funly giggle
Speaker 4: and laugh.
Speaker 1: And when you.
Speaker 2: Inserted yourself via AI into this that was made independently
Speaker 2: without your involvement, and then burst into the Janis Film's
Speaker 2: offices and said, I'm.
Speaker 1: Ready to promote what was going through your head?
Speaker 4: Well, you know it was a choice made well before
Speaker 4: the conversations about AI took off, and so I think,
Speaker 4: you know, the ideas about generative AI hadn't been such
Speaker 4: a such a lightning rod, and so when I decided
Speaker 4: to do that, I just kind of felt like, you know,
Speaker 4: there's no stop in it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you were right, you know, forget a year ago,
Speaker 1: the conversation was completely completely different, completely different, and everybody.
Speaker 4: Was coming forward saying do this, do it? And so
Speaker 4: who was I to get in the way of generative
Speaker 4: AI and.
Speaker 1: Things like that, And they say make your own opportunities,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, generate that may any means possible, even
Speaker 1: if that means holding a gun to the head of Jenis.
Speaker 5: Well that wasn't me that was Ai.
Speaker 1: Oh right, right right, that's interesting that you said himself.
Speaker 1: I always imagined the head of Janni's films to be
Speaker 1: a woman named Janis.
Speaker 2: So that would be iconic.
Speaker 4: These are my films, These are my films, These are
Speaker 4: my films, These are my films, These are Janics.
Speaker 1: No one gets between Janis and her films. That's that.
Speaker 5: Don't make me cry just thinking about that.
Speaker 1: She got rid of her middle name because she said,
Speaker 1: I am just Janis.
Speaker 4: Films, Jannis p films. So, yeah, I have a question
Speaker 4: for you. I'm struggling with, okay, earnestly, okay, fine, I'm
Speaker 4: struggling with finding a comedic entry point and talking about
Speaker 4: your work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh because this because this film, as I actually
Speaker 2: have now set off Mike, is a serious drama. You
Speaker 2: are fully giving a dramatic, non comedic performance, no offense
Speaker 2: if you were aiming for slapstick but failed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: There's there's a moment in it actually where it gets
Speaker 4: some titters that I'm secretly proud of. But it's sort
Speaker 4: of not meant to be funny in the least, and
Speaker 4: I there's just a tinge of comedic relief in it.
Speaker 5: But not really decided upon.
Speaker 1: Definitely, it's a drama.
Speaker 2: It's a drama. I must say. It works beautifully. And
Speaker 2: I also think, just on a separate personal level, it
Speaker 2: depicts being the child of like non native English speakers
Speaker 2: in this case Canada, but also America in a way
Speaker 2: that I hadn't ever seen.
Speaker 1: If anyone is interested in that kind of depiction.
Speaker 2: Regardless of all of that, I'm like, how do we
Speaker 2: speak about this film comedically without sort of without like
Speaker 2: implying that we're making fun of it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't figured it out yet because.
Speaker 4: It is just sort of like a deeply I think,
Speaker 4: a deeply felt drama. Yes, And it's always funny because
Speaker 4: I talk about my background in comedy and people ask
Speaker 4: how I came to it.
Speaker 5: And also we've done Q and a's over festivals.
Speaker 4: And things like that, and people are a lot of
Speaker 4: the time quite emotional after the movie, and I'm always like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm so used to riffing in a Q
Speaker 4: and A or something like that, and it's just not
Speaker 4: the it's not the moment.
Speaker 5: So I don't know yet, But do.
Speaker 2: You feel your alienating audience is left and right in
Speaker 2: that sense. No, oh okay, if.
Speaker 1: You have than that? Now you had one amazing riff
Speaker 1: after So the film ends, oh god, credits role, it's
Speaker 1: you come out, Yeah, and you're handed to Mike. What's
Speaker 1: your amazing rift to break the tension?
Speaker 5: Can you believe all that?
Speaker 1: And that was real?
Speaker 3: The old one?
Speaker 2: Is that final cut?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I thought this was a comedy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No I should I say what
Speaker 4: the movie's about?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Well, I actually would love it if you because I
Speaker 2: don't know how much I'm allowed to spoil.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a delicate thing, I guess.
Speaker 1: And I also haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Right, so same and Sam is a good reason, which
Speaker 2: is that he had a show.
Speaker 4: Yeah so Sam, you had a show. Would you like
Speaker 4: to know what the film's about?
Speaker 8: Sure?
Speaker 5: Okay, great, but don't.
Speaker 1: Tell me too much because I want to be surprised. Okay, great.
Speaker 4: So this is a debut feature, of course, by Sophie Rumvari.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with their shorts. They're
Speaker 4: on the Criterion channel right now. Oh yeah, it's like YouTube.
Speaker 4: You have a subscription, right, of course, I imagine. So, well,
Speaker 4: what's the last thing you streamed on there? Just curious
Speaker 4: just movies, all, uh, okay, So this is a debut feature.
Speaker 4: It's a family drama set in nineteen nineties Vancouver Great Year,
Speaker 4: where a Hungarian family immigrates to Vancouver. They have an
Speaker 4: eldest sibling, eldest son, a sibling to three other siblings,
Speaker 4: if you will, And yeah, he suffers some behavioral issues.
Speaker 4: So the film sort.
Speaker 2: Of he's addicted to pranks.
Speaker 5: I'll let you infer what happens.
Speaker 2: But as kind of tension is, of course, what I'm
Speaker 2: interested in is doing his job of riffing on what
Speaker 2: you're saying. Right, you're saying, can I please finish? Because
Speaker 2: I'm serious?
Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's a pacentrator a lot about but I
Speaker 4: feel but yeah, so okay, so yeah, he's maybe doing prasies,
Speaker 4: maybe not. I know you'll have to You'll have to
Speaker 4: see it to believe it. And of course that's the
Speaker 4: tagline of the filmy believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: Basically it centers on on.
Speaker 4: The family's life dealing with this kind of crisis and
Speaker 4: then there is more to come where I am involved.
Speaker 1: You're not are You're not even saying who you play?
Speaker 5: I played?
Speaker 4: The adult version of her name is Sasha, a young Sasha, the.
Speaker 1: Young sister of young sister of the brother with behavioral issues?
Speaker 1: Did that?
Speaker 7: Hr?
Speaker 1: Did you go into audition for the young version and
Speaker 1: they cast you as the old version and you're like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck.
Speaker 4: All considering that she's about nine just a couple of months,
Speaker 4: but and camera it does so much.
Speaker 2: So you went through earlyer?
Speaker 5: I actually really did so.
Speaker 4: Actually, don't even joke about that, because you know, I
Speaker 4: doe what it's like going through puberty at nine, ten
Speaker 4: years old, or you cast because of early Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think the director could feel that when we met.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you said, oh god, I could feel that
Speaker 2: you're an old soul. Yeah, because puberty earlier.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: Actually, by the way, I was the tallest person at
Speaker 4: ten years old for quite a while and you're.
Speaker 1: Still went around ten year olds one of the tallest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and it's very very alienating. Actually, I was
Speaker 4: a center in basketball, so I hear that touching that
Speaker 4: I see that I was a center a little bit into.
Speaker 2: I wanted to comment on women's bodies more and.
Speaker 4: Yeahs at least women's basketball. Hello, Like, where are you
Speaker 4: guys on this?
Speaker 1: That's true. We're not making much noise.
Speaker 2: All our opinions about college sports are behind a payhall,
Speaker 2: and we don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: Lot of opinion A lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a model to all this.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Chre I'll say it. We believe all professional
Speaker 2: sports should be ten year olds.
Speaker 1: I love that, so voices the Heron.
Speaker 5: So we've got Harvey Firestein.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is so fun.
Speaker 5: It's fab.
Speaker 1: He's fab.
Speaker 5: It's just you know, and I've heard says animated.
Speaker 1: It's entirely animated.
Speaker 2: It's animated and like I sort of like cartoon Network
Speaker 2: kind of way.
Speaker 4: Well it would be if it wasn't for the heavy
Speaker 4: amounts of AI were using to animate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's a animated it and
Speaker 1: then they put it into an AI filter that said
Speaker 1: make it studio ghibli.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah we did that, and then we said
Speaker 4: erase that, and then we said make it I don't know,
Speaker 4: make it feel kind of I don't know, just fun,
Speaker 4: and they let, you know, you let the AI kind
Speaker 4: of do its thing.
Speaker 5: It really has quite a point of view.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: People don't trust it, you know, people say, people say,
Speaker 2: get humans in there, you know.
Speaker 1: Edit edit edited.
Speaker 5: To talk to it, so many things to say.
Speaker 4: You just get to know what it is, what it wants, okay,
Speaker 4: tell them your deepest desires and secrets, okay, and they'll
Speaker 4: say I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I know you mostly did like voiceover of sound effects,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of yeah, I would. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's a point where the heron calls right, and
Speaker 1: I went.
Speaker 4: And I did that for about three days without water.
Speaker 1: By the way. Wow, Yeah, that must have been hard,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: And then they still had to play okay I because
Speaker 2: it wasn't well.
Speaker 4: They cut a lot of it because I apparently did
Speaker 4: it badly, you know.
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, you're.
Speaker 2: Not you're not at all represented in the final cut
Speaker 2: of the film.
Speaker 1: Is that.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not in it. I'm not in a per se.
Speaker 4: It's just sort of an idea of what it would
Speaker 4: be like if I was in a Jana's film. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's kind of why I'm on the pod, you know.
Speaker 1: The idea of being in a Janis film. I this
Speaker 1: is so complex, And now I see what you mean,
Speaker 1: because of course you were at first earnestly telling us
Speaker 1: the plot and sort of what the tone is. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're being celebrated. I'm just like, I'm I'm worried. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the listener knows. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they like I trust our listeners, of course, but sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if they're confused?
Speaker 4: No, listeners, it's a drama. It's a drama, and I
Speaker 4: think everything.
Speaker 2: It's a family drama that is unexpected and formally experimental,
Speaker 2: formally inventive, inventive, inventive. I need to stop seeing experimental, yeah,
Speaker 2: because we make it sound unfinished or something.
Speaker 4: It would be fun to talk about that if had
Speaker 4: more people see the movie. It comes out April seventeenth
Speaker 4: in theaters, and that's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's real. Confirmed, Yeah, that's confirmed. And yeah.
Speaker 2: The fact that it is a Criterion release, does that
Speaker 2: mean it's going to be streaming on the Criterion Channel soon?
Speaker 5: I believe so.
Speaker 4: I don't know when, but it will one day.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for my amazing interview questions? Sure, George
Speaker 1: says you cry in the movie, That's true. Was that
Speaker 1: was that hard? Yeah? Was that hard?
Speaker 9: It was?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I was really scared about those scenes because I had
Speaker 4: never done that before.
Speaker 5: And it felt the day.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it was hard, but I have to say,
Speaker 4: like filming this was for as heavy as a film is,
Speaker 4: it was really a rejuvenating experience and like, I had
Speaker 4: a wonderful time filming it. And I also like those
Speaker 4: scenes which were really intense. The actors that I performed
Speaker 4: with when I cry, I'll say that are were so
Speaker 4: really like generous, and so I felt like in the
Speaker 4: scene there was a lot of maybe this sounds like
Speaker 4: classic actor stuff, but I felt like really supported, and
Speaker 4: it didn't feel so much like.
Speaker 3: Is you gonna do it?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, It was just kind of oh,
Speaker 4: there was really an environment where it was just being played.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think it would have been really cool
Speaker 2: if they were sort of rather than acting along with
Speaker 2: you being like.
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, yeah, I know. Well, Sophie and
Speaker 4: I did have conversations where she was like, you know,
Speaker 4: like no pressure, it would be awesome, but no pressure,
Speaker 4: And I was.
Speaker 1: Feeling a bit sexual in a way. It's sort of
Speaker 1: like when someone is like, well, worried about getting and
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, yeah, being able to perform literally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just have a soft environment for which things
Speaker 4: can if we don't funk. That's fine, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you have to have a little of that or I
Speaker 4: don't know, at least for me. I'm sure there's actors
Speaker 4: who can do it on a dime, and that's really
Speaker 4: impressive to me.
Speaker 5: It really is, it really is.
Speaker 1: Wow. How did you did you like listen to a
Speaker 1: sad song or like, how did you get into it?
Speaker 1: This is something I've always been confused about. Did you
Speaker 1: listen to Skinny Love? Did you listen to f K Twigs, Cellophane?
Speaker 5: In a sense, I listened to both of those at once.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 5: I did things I listened to.
Speaker 4: And I thought about some stuff that was messed up
Speaker 4: and the economy.
Speaker 8: Yeah right, it makes me crying I think about it,
Speaker 8: think about the stops.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I did stuff like that, and I thought about,
Speaker 4: like I did, think about like eventually coming on here
Speaker 4: and talking about it, and and that's what.
Speaker 5: You and they just came. They just came.
Speaker 1: They just gave Yeah. Wow. Well we're so happy to
Speaker 1: help in your process. Of course, you will always help.
Speaker 1: Did you know?
Speaker 4: I want you to feel that you always sam you
Speaker 4: always help, Thank you, thank you. There's still time.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna do drama? Forever. Now I will drama forever.
Speaker 5: You mean instead of comedyaring off comedy, would you say
Speaker 5: this podcast episode is quote the last hurrah in terms
Speaker 5: of your comedy career. I don't want it to be.
Speaker 1: You're going to delete this because you're gonna be like, wait,
Speaker 1: they can't see me as funny. I don't like how
Speaker 1: I'm portrayed in this vertical video.
Speaker 4: No, earnestly, No, I mean I don't know. I'm like, however,
Speaker 4: people will have me. I'll do I'll do whatever. I
Speaker 4: did think about it a lot where I was like, what, like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm like an old comedian who did this
Speaker 4: drama and people are like who huh?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I don't know, I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like Jennifer Aniston when she did the
Speaker 1: movie Cake.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'll never know what it was like to do Cake.
Speaker 1: No one.
Speaker 2: Will ever be able to relate to her experience doing Cake.
Speaker 1: There is one person who knows what it was like
Speaker 1: to be Jennifer andson doing Cake when she was doing Cake.
Speaker 1: By the way, I have no idea what this film is.
Speaker 1: You even seen Cake? I've never even heard of it.
Speaker 2: Cake is Jenniferanson's dramatic turn, and she plays a woman
Speaker 2: with chronic pain. Why, I guess you don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, the lights are too bright on my show
Speaker 4: Chronic Pain.
Speaker 1: Main guy from Avatar, Australian guy. Oh yeah, they have
Speaker 1: locked up in the Avatar. So that was the one
Speaker 1: time he escaped and it was to do cake.
Speaker 2: And then they said, okay, that's set up, sweetheart, back
Speaker 2: to the kennel, back to Pandora.
Speaker 5: It's funny to you to do cake. Yeah, that phrase
Speaker 5: is interesting.
Speaker 2: It sort of sounds like to do coke lines of cake.
Speaker 5: And then you it's two drugs combined.
Speaker 1: We're yeah kay and coke boots.
Speaker 5: That's my ego.
Speaker 2: Bits well, you know that it refers to the only
Speaker 2: pain killer Jennifer Aniston can do. That addresses like chronic
Speaker 2: pain and it's chocolate.
Speaker 1: She's like chocolate. She's like, I have chronic pain. The
Speaker 1: only cure is a little chocolate cake.
Speaker 2: She was playing a comedic in a way that didn't
Speaker 2: really make sense for the film, and I think you
Speaker 2: luckily didn't fall into that trap. Jennifer Aniston, I think
Speaker 2: freaked out about thematic nature of the film, and then
Speaker 2: when in being so slapstick.
Speaker 1: She was like slipping on the cake, on the.
Speaker 2: Frosting and falling and cooking it and then there was
Speaker 2: like flower all over her face.
Speaker 1: And she was like, ay yea yai.
Speaker 4: Well, let me ask this if I can turn the tables, please,
Speaker 4: what's either of your experiences with acting, because you guys
Speaker 4: have booked done it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm horrible at it, of course. I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm only cast if my dear friends are making the
Speaker 1: television show.
Speaker 5: But I think you a delightful presence. Well, thank you,
Speaker 5: lobs at me.
Speaker 1: I recently had the realization, as George knows, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: feeling complex feelings about like I was thinking about like
Speaker 1: Safty casting and how you're either like Timothy shallow May
Speaker 1: or you're like the ugliest bitch on Earth. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I'm gonna if I'm ever in a Safty,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be as the ugliest bitch on Earth. Sucks.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't see that for you.
Speaker 1: I see you.
Speaker 5: I see you in the space between.
Speaker 1: I love to be in the space between.
Speaker 2: One of my core wounds when it comes to acting,
Speaker 2: of course, is that I once had a scene with
Speaker 2: Jessica Bill that was cut from the project.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, that we all have done that. I've done that,
Speaker 5: and mostly me.
Speaker 1: I don't think you've ever actually met the opposite of
Speaker 1: Jennifer and we've all done that, and we all experienced.
Speaker 2: No, I think I'm the only gay guy that has
Speaker 2: ever filmed with Jessica Biel and then had the scene cut.
Speaker 1: Now, of course my line was gorgeous as always.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's because of you. There's a thing
Speaker 5: I can't imagine.
Speaker 2: I actually can I say. I think it might have
Speaker 2: been really well, I don't know. Maybe I'm give me
Speaker 2: the reading.
Speaker 1: Do you remember how you.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, and I could never even begin to
Speaker 2: get into that case you will do this scene, I'll
Speaker 2: be Here's what's interesting. What do you think I meant
Speaker 2: when I said gorgeous as always to Jessica Biel? I
Speaker 2: think you were, and that's misogynistic. So what I actually meant.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry, I can't so shutting me down from
Speaker 4: even speaking.
Speaker 2: Is you thought her looks? I actually meant her writing,
Speaker 2: because she in the scene had just read something and
Speaker 2: I said gorgeous as always.
Speaker 1: I was referring to the.
Speaker 4: Writing okay, not a word out of me about it,
Speaker 4: not a word, okay, but let's do I want to
Speaker 4: do the scene.
Speaker 1: Let's do the scene. Okay, let's do the scene. Okay.
Speaker 5: So, so give me a little feedback. I'll play Jessica. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm writer. I'm writer, Yes, book, what's type of writing?
Speaker 2: So you're actually reading the eulogy at your dead husband's funeral.
Speaker 1: Was he a doctor?
Speaker 2: He I don't actually remember what his job was, but
Speaker 2: he died under mysterious circumstances. So that's definitely part of
Speaker 2: what you're accessing.
Speaker 5: And I have to read the eulogy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we can skip to like the final line.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to do a full eulogy.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, she's really getting into it.
Speaker 4: There's a time for all of us in this life,
Speaker 4: and there's a time where we come into this world
Speaker 4: and come out. And Stephen lived, he died how he lived,
Speaker 4: writing his epic poetry with style.
Speaker 5: And grace, and he moved me as he moved all
Speaker 5: of you.
Speaker 1: To dream bought would just be one line.
Speaker 5: I'm getting to the line.
Speaker 4: I'm finding it to dream, to dream bigger and better
Speaker 4: than what this life and now I'm thrown off what
Speaker 4: this life could imagine. And he will always be my
Speaker 4: Stephen pretty much, and I pretty much love you guys
Speaker 4: as well, and I will always think of him pretty
Speaker 4: much all the time.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's basically it.
Speaker 2: Gorgeous as always, So that's how I read it. But
Speaker 2: I felt like I was sort of pretty grounded. So anyway,
Speaker 2: in terms of my relationship to acting, I think something
Speaker 2: that has never happened to anyone, which is having a
Speaker 2: scene cut from a Jessica build project, happened to me,
Speaker 2: and so I took that as a sign that I
Speaker 2: should move away from the art form.
Speaker 1: Well, I do think you're putting too hard on yourself.
Speaker 1: I think, personally, as someone that makes excuses for my
Speaker 1: poor performances, I think it's not fair. When you were
Speaker 1: just giving one line, that's the hardest thing you can do.
Speaker 2: The thing is actually lines.
Speaker 1: Oh that's different, that's the easiest.
Speaker 2: And when I when I came on that actually even more.
Speaker 2: And before we even began, they said we're cutting this part,
Speaker 2: so now you're down to three. I did the three
Speaker 2: lines and then that was cut from the final project.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't blame yourself, don't blame yourself. You
Speaker 4: get knocked down, you get up ten you know.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was Jess's fault?
Speaker 2: That's how she introduced herself.
Speaker 4: She read what I've read, then there could be fault there,
Speaker 4: just when it comes to the dialogue and the language and.
Speaker 2: You do you actually were completely off book? That was
Speaker 2: the exact dialogue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gave me, you gave me your sides for
Speaker 4: a second, and yeah, she said pretty much a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's okay though.
Speaker 5: I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes it comes down to the feeling you
Speaker 4: want the film to have.
Speaker 1: It's not about did I tell you about when I
Speaker 1: auditioned for Orange Is the New Black?
Speaker 2: You were supposed to play crazy Eyes.
Speaker 1: I I literally auditioned for Orange is the New Black,
Speaker 1: and the scene was like, okay, so I was a
Speaker 1: security guard who walks in seeing someone had been raped,
Speaker 1: like in prison and was like like an also maybe stabbed,
Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to run in and find their body and.
Speaker 2: Needs to talk about something needs to be released by
Speaker 2: Janis Films in the Crater.
Speaker 5: Begin, How did you begin? I have another audition story
Speaker 5: after this.
Speaker 1: Okay, I run in and my line is is he breathing,
Speaker 1: and you know I can't deliver. Is he breathing? You
Speaker 1: know that's not me? And I run in and I go,
Speaker 1: is he breathing? You know I can't do that, And
Speaker 1: the woman just looks at me like, okay, this person's
Speaker 1: pre pandemic. It was the hubris of a twenty eight
Speaker 1: year old being like, well, sure, yeah, yeah, I want me.
Speaker 1: Is he breathing on the ground, imagining a body. Is
Speaker 1: he breathing?
Speaker 5: Is he breathing?
Speaker 3: Is that breathing?
Speaker 1: Is he breathing? God? I think about it every single.
Speaker 4: Day, you know what I think about I have a
Speaker 4: story where I had to audition as somebody who had
Speaker 4: basically uh, I think it was like either Joan of
Speaker 4: Arc or just a dead woman who had been resurrected
Speaker 4: after three thousand years.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: And by the way, I booked and I couldn't do
Speaker 4: it because I was not in town.
Speaker 1: What wow, So you nailed I fed in What world?
Speaker 2: Do you not remember if it was.
Speaker 4: Either Joan of Arc or it was an art It
Speaker 4: was an art installation and there were multiple I think videos,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if I was auditioning for Joan
Speaker 4: of Arc or for another woman. I think it was
Speaker 4: Joan of Arc being resurrected after three days.
Speaker 2: So did you have to do a French accent?
Speaker 5: I had to know. I spoke nothing. I had a little.
Speaker 4: They were like, so, so this is what we're thinking.
Speaker 5: I walk into the room. It's a room, not unlike this.
Speaker 1: They're like, so there's a podcast.
Speaker 2: It was dead Joan of Arc doing a podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was dead j Ar doing I don't think so
Speaker 2: some time.
Speaker 4: Seconds, no, but I I walk in and they're like, okay,
Speaker 4: so this is what we're thinking.
Speaker 5: So she's Joan of Arc.
Speaker 4: She's been you know, dead for three thousand years, and
Speaker 4: we want to see it. Looks like if she's uh
Speaker 4: comes back to life, is resurrected and she's thirsty.
Speaker 5: And so they gave me a tiny little Poland spring.
Speaker 1: And they set it on the floor.
Speaker 4: Set it on the floor and they said, we want
Speaker 4: you to do this lying down. So go see the
Speaker 4: film Blue Hair in April seventeen.
Speaker 2: Sponsored by Poland Spring. Yeah, that is so crazy.
Speaker 1: That's not in the movie.
Speaker 5: Wow, And I did.
Speaker 4: It was really really intense and I had I and
Speaker 4: you booked, I booked, but I yeah, I wonder who
Speaker 4: else was it was auditioning?
Speaker 1: Well probably, yeah, yeah, but it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget it that it doesn't be is he breathing?
Speaker 1: And you book that too? I booked that bad.
Speaker 5: It's like one of two things I booked.
Speaker 1: But I know, it's amazing that when you look back
Speaker 1: on things and you're like, you know, it's not that
Speaker 1: I actually wasn't given opportunities, it's that I flopped in
Speaker 1: mom them.
Speaker 5: Well, I've had plenty of those.
Speaker 1: But you know, we're on a journey and I think
Speaker 1: my forties are going to be so to die for When.
Speaker 4: I I think that as well, yeah, something's gonna settle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I still think.
Speaker 2: You know, Sam famously auditioned to play cousin Greg on
Speaker 2: Succession and did I always think he would have been
Speaker 2: really good at it.
Speaker 1: Oh, this was my first audition literally ever stop. I
Speaker 1: got an agent and then it was like, okay, you're
Speaker 1: gonna audition for cousin Greg.
Speaker 2: We're starting big.
Speaker 1: And they're like they're like whatever, you don't even know
Speaker 1: what stuff is. Just do this one.
Speaker 5: You would have went, Wait, do you remember the sides
Speaker 5: for it?
Speaker 1: I do. It was from the pilot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the mascot stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like didn't know what an audition was, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it says come in and did they say come in
Speaker 1: and read for this? Yeah? And I was like, oh my,
Speaker 1: Like Amelia Badelia asked, bitch, I literally bring the script
Speaker 1: in and just read and they're like awesome. They're like,
Speaker 1: so you need to memorize this. They're like, so can
Speaker 1: you do it to camera? And I was like, what's
Speaker 1: a camera? I was literally looking and then like look
Speaker 1: up and then I'd be like and it was like
Speaker 1: what am I thinking? Like I learned what you do?
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't read it, but I remember doing something
Speaker 4: that was like really early on and I was like, so,
Speaker 4: what was the feedback? And there they said you were
Speaker 4: really green and I was like, oh, what does green mean?
Speaker 1: People love to tell you phrases when you don't know
Speaker 1: what they mean.
Speaker 2: That is the first I would say. I'm still going
Speaker 2: through that stage where it's just like someone tells you something.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's impossible to google. If someone is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: they said that you.
Speaker 1: You know, had the blinders exactly be great.
Speaker 2: If I google that, it will literally give me nothing,
Speaker 2: So I just have to not know what it is.
Speaker 1: What a condition like a color and literally they're like, fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Amy.
Speaker 1: Our first thing was called street Shooters. And in this segment,
Speaker 1: we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions.
Speaker 1: Is basically this thing or this other thing to gage
Speaker 1: your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture. The only
Speaker 1: rule is you can't ask any fault questions or we
Speaker 1: will scream. If we will scream, is he breathing so
Speaker 1: Amy in d s.
Speaker 2: Le's or Windy Breeze Wendy Breeze, shopping the Supreme Drop
Speaker 2: or flopping with Ai slop.
Speaker 1: Shopping the Supreme Drop, making your needs known? Or baking
Speaker 1: with wheat dough, baking with wheat Tate McCrae, or hate
Speaker 1: finds away. Ooh, I don't like this, No one does.
Speaker 1: I'm off Broadway or on top of May, on top of.
Speaker 10: May, silver Spoon, Bronze bust or gold member.
Speaker 1: Gold number, having twenty twenty vision or making money hungry decisions.
Speaker 6: Making money hungry decisions, Carhart, Walmart or Quisine art Oh,
Speaker 6: cousin art Que's and art queas and Art.
Speaker 2: Sorry I mispronounced it In the original Friends Friend, It's quiz.
Speaker 1: And art Okay, oh, do you know the that brand
Speaker 1: of meat? Never heard of this? There's brands of meat.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, your question is there's brands of meat.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's all farm to the table?
Speaker 5: I love coming on here.
Speaker 1: This is a.
Speaker 2: Classic person who doesn't cook. Sam thinks that everyone wakes
Speaker 2: up every day and they get delivery from local farms.
Speaker 1: Read their additions. Someone brings them a live chicken.
Speaker 2: They slaughter it in house in your upper West Side apartment,
Speaker 2: and then they say, okay, roaster up.
Speaker 1: Name one brand of meat. I know you have this chicken.
Speaker 1: That's right. Brands of meat. Yeah, we live in a
Speaker 1: world of brands.
Speaker 5: Sam, you know that better than anyone.
Speaker 1: Do you think the.
Speaker 2: Last the last industry that hasn't been corporatized is me?
Speaker 1: I just like I've never heard it, like said, like
Speaker 1: brands of meat, Like it's just sounded weird. You know
Speaker 1: them in your heart. I do know them my heart,
Speaker 1: but it just sounded weird. It was like I was
Speaker 1: imagining like clothing brands, but meat like it's very similar,
Speaker 1: very you know, there's packaging that has a logo and
Speaker 1: they will merge.
Speaker 4: Probably you'll get some Prada Turkey collab.
Speaker 5: I think that would be fabulous.
Speaker 1: I think, I feel and think, okay, well, why did
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 5: I just asked if you had heard of the brand,
Speaker 5: because it came into my head.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 5: It's a brand of meat.
Speaker 1: Something?
Speaker 2: Is it an artisanal? Is it like really high qualit?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing that when you go to purchase me
Speaker 2: you always have the thought process of like, okay, so
Speaker 2: is this poison? I don't know which, I don't know
Speaker 2: which is good? And then you just have to be like, well, well,
Speaker 2: and then day, every single day you go to the
Speaker 2: grocery store, it's like, is that is that going to
Speaker 2: poison me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well I guess we'll see.
Speaker 1: Something will yeah, something will. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's really amazing how there's no transparency when it comes
Speaker 2: to food in this country. Well that's all gonna change
Speaker 2: as soon as Blue Heron comes out. You guys are
Speaker 2: off and you're partnering with fruit or whatever that company
Speaker 2: is called. I don't know what was the company that
Speaker 2: you mentioned design?
Speaker 1: What language is that?
Speaker 5: That's got to be French?
Speaker 1: They art? Oh, I see, I say, I'm not saying right?
Speaker 1: And when did the words start and stop?
Speaker 5: They art apostrophe one word.
Speaker 1: You sort of sound.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking.
Speaker 1: The art.
Speaker 2: Steel Blue saying, and is that a problem Well, it's
Speaker 2: a little problematic.
Speaker 5: You're talking to you.
Speaker 1: This is really offensive. Do you guys remember the America's
Speaker 1: Home videos where the cat would go long John, Now
Speaker 1: we're getting there.
Speaker 4: That's what Dar reminds me of when the cat make
Speaker 4: the funny noise the Eldest Millennial? Do you want to
Speaker 4: do an indie with me called the Eldest Millennium? The
Speaker 4: Eldest Millennial? Oh my god, when you settle in.
Speaker 1: Your forties bringing up neon cat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something deeply like it's kind of like Lars
Speaker 4: and the Real Girl, but.
Speaker 1: It's cat memes. Oh my god, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: gotten into me and the Real Girl?
Speaker 2: Know, how do we get back to that era film?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Something that's all you needed.
Speaker 9: Back there, I know you needed and you needed the
Speaker 9: real Girl and it was sort of like.
Speaker 5: Quirky let them figure it out on.
Speaker 1: That Pope when Quirky was enough. Now it's got to.
Speaker 5: Be formally innovative and you.
Speaker 2: Know hungarian, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it has to have an
Speaker 2: old comedian crying Lars and the real girl, folks, I know,
Speaker 2: simple as Lars the real girl. You do the.
Speaker 4: Math, I was the tagline of the sponsored by Darg d'Artagnan.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, should we get into our topic?
Speaker 4: I guess so we don't have to, we we should? Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: just know, however it goes, we don't have to my fear.
Speaker 2: And I'm just going to come out and say it
Speaker 2: right as someone who knows who is not a doesn't drive,
Speaker 2: is not a car owner, and barely could point to
Speaker 2: sort of the parts of a car, by the way,
Speaker 2: saying I worry about any our related topic. And so
Speaker 2: I'm coming at I'm going into this from a place
Speaker 2: of fear. I wanted to be open and honest about
Speaker 2: that before you say, with the topic, so okay, And
Speaker 2: I just want you to know I think you clocked
Speaker 2: when you said the topic and I shuddered a bit.
Speaker 2: That was right, Oh okay, it wasn't because I thought
Speaker 2: that's a bad topic. Okay, well it could be, but
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know. It's something I want to work out
Speaker 5: in the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I brought my straight topic today, which
Speaker 4: is fender benders.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what feels initially straight about that to you?
Speaker 4: Well, I recently experienced one, and I found I was
Speaker 4: in the passenger seat, okay, and I found the entire
Speaker 4: exchange like a litigation nightmare, which seems pretty on brand,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot there's a deep performance of when
Speaker 4: it happens, it's it's quite shocking, and I think the
Speaker 4: go to phrases, oh, for God's sake, which is like
Speaker 4: a really straight kind of way of saying things. And
Speaker 4: also the exchanging of information to exchange information in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six is you know, to talk to insurance, just
Speaker 4: tap your phone, Yeah, just swipe basically, yeah and yeah.
Speaker 5: I find the whole thing kind of like.
Speaker 4: It's evocative of the thing that is already so confining,
Speaker 4: which is the rules of the road, yes, and violating
Speaker 4: them or making mistakes and things like that.
Speaker 1: I find fender bender to be one having like a
Speaker 1: cutesy name for something that is like horrifying, horrifying and
Speaker 1: traumatic and annoying as fuck. Yeah, is funny because I
Speaker 1: wish it's like, well, if it's called a fender bender,
Speaker 1: then let's treat it like a fender bender, Like let's
Speaker 1: have some fun. Yeah, actually like we're stuck here for.
Speaker 4: A bit of dramatics actually in the event of the
Speaker 4: fender bender, but you have to make it.
Speaker 5: You have to call it a boo boo, do you
Speaker 5: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when it's actually like the you can see how
Speaker 4: everyone was as a child when you get into a
Speaker 4: fender bender, how people react to anger and shock and
Speaker 4: surprise and stuff like.
Speaker 2: Do you think maybe that's why it's called a fender
Speaker 2: because it brings you into Yes, it's baby tak It
Speaker 2: brings you into kind of the rhyme based environment where
Speaker 2: everyone is suddenly ga ga round, but sung by a
Speaker 2: children's choir.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's a pretty adult experience.
Speaker 1: It's a very adult experience.
Speaker 5: Have you been in one?
Speaker 1: So weirdly no?
Speaker 5: Oh see this is this is kind of proving my
Speaker 5: point a little.
Speaker 2: Bit because Sam is gay. He's never been in one,
Speaker 2: so therefore it is straight. Is that?
Speaker 1: Do I have to spell it enough? I've never been
Speaker 1: in a fender bender, and I it's actually been such
Speaker 1: a long journey of not getting into a car accident
Speaker 1: knock on wood, that I'm starting to victim blame people
Speaker 1: that are like.
Speaker 4: Where I'm like, well, you probably yeah, you guaranteed, by
Speaker 4: the way, I was not you know, I have bias,
Speaker 4: I know, but I was not in the car that
Speaker 4: was in the wrong.
Speaker 1: And well the blame, of course, the blame is the
Speaker 1: biggest part where it's like cut and dry. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're the one that bumped into them, then you're
Speaker 1: the one at fault.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where you see kind of like the inner workings.
Speaker 2: Of you know, American Empire.
Speaker 4: And Mikey's a boomer's inner child, and it's like whoa, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a lot.
Speaker 2: That's it's very you say, a boom is in her
Speaker 2: child because the boomer suddenly.
Speaker 1: The boomer was not me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, instantly, and you're suddenly at recess and
Speaker 2: someone has accidentally hate you.
Speaker 4: And I'm watching like a group of people calm the
Speaker 4: person down, who is a little bit to blame?
Speaker 1: You know, this is okay, follow me on this one.
Speaker 1: Fender bender because we're a nation of cars except for
Speaker 1: New York City. Literally, yeah, fender bender culture. Everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: Everyone has been in one and they have gotten out
Speaker 1: in like film taking pictures, been like this is your fault,
Speaker 1: this is your fault, arguing, Yeah, we are now. It
Speaker 1: has steeped into every part of culture where that's why
Speaker 1: like now everyone is like filming and being like you
Speaker 1: have touched you have touched me. Proof Everyone thinks they're
Speaker 1: constantly in a fender bender. They have like fender bender
Speaker 1: vision of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ender bender was the original cancel culture and so ways,
Speaker 2: and we're kind of fender benderizing the rest of society
Speaker 2: as we speak, as we sit here and record.
Speaker 4: Now that that I hadn't marinated with well as your marinate.
Speaker 2: In your latire's noir. Yeah, you're dumb, dumb, dumb as
Speaker 2: you marinate as you marinate. I want to say also this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: here's the thing with fender benders. We're used to a isolated,
Speaker 2: individualistic lifestyle where everyone is in their own car, physically
Speaker 2: can't touch their fellow man, can't speak, cannot even be
Speaker 2: heard outside of the confines of the car. A fender
Speaker 2: bender is a violent assault on that individualistic lifestyle.
Speaker 4: By the way, yeah, keep going, Oh, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 4: can't cut you off one I'm speaking.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry I couldn't speak. You called me misogynistic.
Speaker 4: I can't pipe in on a lively pod with my
Speaker 4: closest friends.
Speaker 2: As I was saying, it is a break in the individualistic,
Speaker 2: you know, lifestyle that everyone leads, and that's why people
Speaker 2: react with such violence. They're saying, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: know you could see me or touch me.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, I was going to add to that before
Speaker 4: being put on a list or something.
Speaker 1: That actually you unlocked a memory for me.
Speaker 4: Of this woman had been blasting talk radio when she
Speaker 4: stopped her car, and it was echoing out into the
Speaker 4: far reaches of space, and I was like, in what
Speaker 4: universe is someone listening to talk radio this loud? It
Speaker 4: had to be at like seventy out of one hundred
Speaker 4: on the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was sort of bringing a heavy metal vibe.
Speaker 4: Well it's in the curated space of the car, you know,
Speaker 4: and had to have that punctured. Is more disorienting than
Speaker 4: actually like the accident.
Speaker 1: Whoa, oh right.
Speaker 2: She was like zoning out.
Speaker 5: She was like, my day's ruined. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: ours too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, She's like, but I don't see you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she was pretty much do you even this?
Speaker 5: I didn't see you, guys, you were you weren't even here.
Speaker 4: And then you know, we're doing all the paperwork and
Speaker 4: stuff and she's calming down and then she's like and
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I wrote your day too. And it was
Speaker 4: like okay, after like forty five minutes, and I was like,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 1: You know that's nice. You know, I think I have
Speaker 1: such a great fear of getting in a fender bender
Speaker 1: just for the paperwork. Like I'm like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like what the systems would be. And I know there's
Speaker 1: like a very regimented thing you have to follow.
Speaker 5: I would drown if it had if I had been driving.
Speaker 1: It's a take my car.
Speaker 5: I would drown myself.
Speaker 1: Do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't even sign sign at the
Speaker 4: dotted line. It's overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: I know this is like a common thing and we've
Speaker 1: talked about a million times, but I'm like, why are
Speaker 1: cars nice? Why can't we just run into each other
Speaker 1: a little bit? This is I can.
Speaker 4: I had the same thought when it came to straight culture,
Speaker 4: because I was like, well, what's the alternative, you know,
Speaker 4: if we if we lived in a different type of universe.
Speaker 4: And I was like, there is either a world where
Speaker 4: fender benders don't exist, right, or there's the other timeline
Speaker 4: where fender benders are constant, and our cars are mutilated
Speaker 4: at will, and there's structures in place.
Speaker 1: They made to be they're made to be totaled. It's
Speaker 1: a GTA sort of lifestyle.
Speaker 4: And you're there are you know, social structures in place
Speaker 4: to protect first of all a person from any bodily harm,
Speaker 4: but also the right to spend and bend.
Speaker 2: And I think what you're describing as a more collectivist
Speaker 2: approach to transportation because you are designing a car with
Speaker 2: the with the car intention of it being part of
Speaker 2: a larger community of cars, whereas currently cars are being
Speaker 2: designed as designed as extensions of the self exact thing.
Speaker 2: I'm buying a Ferrari because that's my personality. Yeah, Instead
Speaker 2: it should be I'm.
Speaker 4: Lug this thing around till you can't exactly and get
Speaker 4: where you need to go and be safe. But by
Speaker 4: the way, you need to crash into a bunch of
Speaker 4: people to get where you're going.
Speaker 1: That's you.
Speaker 4: They're going to be safe. You're going to be safe,
Speaker 4: and we are going to have mechanics all over this
Speaker 4: great nation helping to make this a reality happily.
Speaker 1: I drive a really old, kind of shitty car, and
Speaker 1: what is it. It's a two thousand and nine Toyota Highlander.
Speaker 4: Okay, there goes a sponsorship. Toyotas are fabulous cars.
Speaker 1: Well, it runs like a dream, but it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not fancy, it's not new.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel that I feel like the most
Speaker 1: free person on all of the road because everyone I
Speaker 1: get this like freaking out and I'm like, run into me,
Speaker 1: and I don't.
Speaker 5: You're saying, like, my car, it's still going to run
Speaker 5: like a dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hit me, because it's a Toyota. But I also
Speaker 1: sometimes feel like the like the Joker a bit where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not stuck in here with you, your
Speaker 1: second here with me via the roads because if people
Speaker 1: are like being a free agent being pushy, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't mind a.
Speaker 5: Bump, Yeah yeah, yeah, do it, do it, wreck your
Speaker 5: wreck your volvo.
Speaker 1: What happens.
Speaker 5: Thing is going to be like a tank?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 9: And you have never driven or well, so I did
Speaker 9: get a license in my early twenties briefly, congratulations, And
Speaker 9: the second time I drove, I got into a fender bender.
Speaker 1: Really oh you.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you you.
Speaker 2: Went into this same but I would say it was
Speaker 2: such a traumatic experience. I basically not really engaged in driving.
Speaker 1: Since no wonder.
Speaker 2: To be clear, that's how his first husband died. It
Speaker 2: was so yes, that was what the woman said after
Speaker 2: she got out of her car. It was in fact
Speaker 2: so light that there wasn't any damage and we didn't
Speaker 2: even exchange information. I mean she like, yeah, felt she
Speaker 2: felt the bump, and then got out and immediately started
Speaker 2: yelling at me.
Speaker 1: Like you're a texting weren't you? You were a texting
Speaker 1: weren't you people?
Speaker 2: I was like I was. I wasn't And I even
Speaker 2: said because I was so freaked out and in my
Speaker 2: mind this wasn't something that could happen. It was like,
Speaker 2: well I failed at the thing I've been training for. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I had. It was literally my first, like second
Speaker 2: or third time, and so I was like I truly broked.
Speaker 2: I mean I wasn't crying, but I broke down. I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm literally a new driver, like I'm doing
Speaker 2: my best here. And then she was and then she
Speaker 2: immediately like realized that was a human being. She just
Speaker 2: went from being like I'm going to murder you on
Speaker 2: the spot, yeah, to like, oh, maybe you have thoughts
Speaker 2: and feelings. Yeah, and maybe you don't, like you aren't
Speaker 2: out to murder me.
Speaker 5: We had quite similar experience.
Speaker 4: If you need like a slice, I don't know if
Speaker 4: you would ever need more of it right now, but
Speaker 4: if you needed a slice of the American psyche, get
Speaker 4: an a Fender vendor.
Speaker 1: No, truly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the best, beautiful, the best way to gauge
Speaker 2: the American Like where American culture is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where everybody's nerves are, where their thoughts go, which
Speaker 4: is me and then my bad you, well.
Speaker 1: The want to fight like it is like we all
Speaker 1: need to like lower our guns, Like there is something
Speaker 1: where you are almost the same way you're expected to
Speaker 1: do paperwork. You're expected to come out of your car
Speaker 1: yelling yeah, because it's like I need to be the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to be the one who is yelling more
Speaker 1: because then it's not my fault, it's setting the precedent.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: It's like if I come out guns blazing, that will
Speaker 4: be so disorienting that we'll sort of forget that I
Speaker 4: rammed into you, you.
Speaker 2: Know, or what I come out guns and blazing, I'm
Speaker 2: dombing you into just instinctively saying the word sorry.
Speaker 1: Sorry. I know it's a classic. It's a tangled web
Speaker 1: we weave. So when you got into your friender mender,
Speaker 1: how did the driver emotionally deal with it? Your driver,
Speaker 1: the one that was the driver of your.
Speaker 4: Car, I would say, quite well, quite calmly. I mean
Speaker 4: we were team calm team. And yeah, there was this like,
Speaker 4: I mean, it was shocking, and I actually had a
Speaker 4: little bit of anger about it because you know, you're
Speaker 4: just like.
Speaker 5: What what the hell? What were you doing? What were
Speaker 5: you thinking?
Speaker 1: What were you doing?
Speaker 4: Because it was like truly someone who didn't see us,
Speaker 4: So it was like, you know, you're you're not paying
Speaker 4: attention and all that kind of thing. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: would say my driver was incredibly calm.
Speaker 1: That's good, and yeah got.
Speaker 5: Through it, which which is kind of a nice thing.
Speaker 1: Was it a romantic partner.
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh it was no way they handled it was
Speaker 8: like amazing because I when it happened, I was like,
Speaker 8: is you breathe it?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know? So fender bender. It also brings
Speaker 1: to mind gender bender. Yeah, what do you think of
Speaker 1: gender bending?
Speaker 5: What do I think of gender bending?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Against it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to choose your four. Oh why.
Speaker 4: The people at d'Artagnan, they explained the concept d'Artagnan taught
Speaker 4: you about gender bending in a sense, do they like
Speaker 4: label their chickens sort of like, oh, it's not so
Speaker 4: black and white, George. I hate to burst your bubble,
Speaker 4: but there's actually way more to it than labeling chicken
Speaker 4: one thing or another.
Speaker 2: That's the way that a chicken produce. Okay, yeah, just.
Speaker 4: Read a book, because we don't do that kind of
Speaker 4: thing at'agnan. We actually have a pretty pretty fluid way
Speaker 4: of behaving.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it really is on me. I assumed that the
Speaker 2: only way a poultry purveyor would engage with sex and
Speaker 2: gender is via labeling chi and that's where you're wrong.
Speaker 2: But instead there there's more of a narrative.
Speaker 1: Hit the books. Hit the books. Okay, I apologize, Wow,
Speaker 1: d'Art dugnay, I.
Speaker 5: Tell you something also, and you can cut this.
Speaker 1: You checked your phone just in case, trying to check
Speaker 1: where we're time wise, Is.
Speaker 5: There time for me to tell you this?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay?
Speaker 4: So you frequently bring up the John Didion quote we
Speaker 4: tell ourselves stories in order to live. Yes, so I
Speaker 4: thought of this the other day uh, and what do
Speaker 4: you think of this?
Speaker 5: We feed ourselves turkey in order to live.
Speaker 1: You can put the alt comedian in a drama film,
Speaker 1: but you cannot take the alt comedian out of the
Speaker 1: alt comedian. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: That makes perfect sense to me? Non stop, NonStop, They
Speaker 4: were laughing, laughing.
Speaker 1: Did you think about starting a podcast with any of them? No?
Speaker 5: But I'm told often.
Speaker 1: To start a podcast.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think of kind of taking the crying
Speaker 2: scene in a more comedic direction? So it's just you know,
Speaker 2: you're having a conversation and suddenly you.
Speaker 1: Go wow, wow, yeah, did you ever think about that?
Speaker 4: Well, we did that to get it out of the way,
Speaker 4: just to have options totally.
Speaker 1: But then that's the take they used. Yeah really yeah,
Speaker 1: Now a silly one, they said.
Speaker 4: Now a silly one. What's the one they they would
Speaker 4: say for Parks and rec the what's the what do
Speaker 4: they say? It's like the improv take.
Speaker 2: Interesting you think we know what is going on behind
Speaker 2: the scenes of Parks and Rest.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry, you were just talking for twenty minutes
Speaker 4: about Portugal the man and you don't know about Parks
Speaker 4: and rat I'm sorry you're talking to everyone podcast man
Speaker 4: you're ranking indie bands from.
Speaker 5: Two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: You think everyone who knows Portugal the Man also loves.
Speaker 5: There's a park ven diagram and I'm willing to put
Speaker 5: money on it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, you know it's interesting.
Speaker 2: In the moment, maybe there was an opposition between people
Speaker 2: who like Portugal demand and people who like parks and
Speaker 2: rec But as they've gotten older, they we admit, No,
Speaker 2: Portugal the Man in parks and rec are the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, but they had like a fun,
Speaker 4: fun run or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I bet Rashooda Jones absolutely killed it during
Speaker 2: those takes.
Speaker 4: Hey, that.
Speaker 1: Should we do our final segment? Yeah, our next guest
Speaker 1: will be here in roughly ten minutes. Okay, but like
Speaker 1: we don't have to say that. It's like I'm here now. No,
Speaker 1: the listeners don't have to know that. Oh, we got
Speaker 1: to get her out of here. Nice job in your
Speaker 1: little movie. We gotta get her out of here. We
Speaker 1: gotta clean up this chair she's been sitting on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I made a mess, so what.
Speaker 1: So what is it?
Speaker 3: A woman?
Speaker 1: Not a woman's right?
Speaker 2: Is what here?
Speaker 1: Making a mess? Making a mess?
Speaker 2: You do you think it is a woman's right to
Speaker 2: make a mess.
Speaker 5: Well behaved women have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 1: Make a mess? They make a mess. Do you know?
Speaker 1: One time my friend Helen Ella Hunt, Helen Hunt, she's.
Speaker 5: A luge her Christmas party.
Speaker 2: Huge bitch. So my friend Helen, actually I've heard she's
Speaker 2: lovely Helen Hunt. But that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Of course you're talking about Helen Hunt. I'm yes, Helen Hunt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know, we know, and is not a bitch. Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So my friend Helen one time she was talking
Speaker 2: to this woman who had a baby. I wait to
Speaker 2: hear this. Okay, the baby was a girl whoa Okay,
Speaker 2: so the baby was crying, it was crying. The mom goes,
Speaker 2: she's not. Oh no, the baby wasn't crying. The baby
Speaker 2: was being very good. And the mom goes, she's very
Speaker 2: well behaved. And so my friend Helen goes, I guess
Speaker 2: she'll never make history, thinking it would be like a
Speaker 2: really funny thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If the mom looks at her, dead eyed, blank is like,
Speaker 2: she will make history? What she will make history?
Speaker 1: This baby is going to make it.
Speaker 5: If I was her mother, I'd say she will make history.
Speaker 2: The mom is like it's as though she had never
Speaker 2: considered that her baby, on account.
Speaker 1: Of being well behaved, will never make history.
Speaker 4: It took me a really long time to actually understand
Speaker 4: that quote, if you think about it, because I was like, wait, how.
Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely open to interpretation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to not to bring rancor to me.
Speaker 1: It's pretty straightforward. So you think women can do anything
Speaker 1: bad and that's good. I don't think that's what the
Speaker 1: quote implies.
Speaker 2: I think it's saying well behaved women right rarely make history.
Speaker 2: It's not saying women that are not well behaved always
Speaker 2: make history or women that are not well behaved are
Speaker 2: always good. It's simply saying the ones that are well behaved,
Speaker 2: they're going to go ahead and not make history. Okay,
Speaker 2: Eileen Waros, that's who said it.
Speaker 1: She made history.
Speaker 5: I think her behaviors in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1: Her behaviors in the eye of the.
Speaker 4: Beholder well, and many people would argue well behaved, a
Speaker 4: lot of people argue not well.
Speaker 2: So it is one of those neutral statements.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think Madeline Albright said it, and
Speaker 2: it's like, is that wrong?
Speaker 1: Beats me?
Speaker 5: I thought it was Claudia Shiffer.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was Claudia Shiffer who said that.
Speaker 2: Lydia Schiffer in Medling all right, got together it is
Speaker 2: said it's time to maximize our joined slagh. They coined
Speaker 2: that it was Kadia Shiffer Madeline Albright. They were hosting
Speaker 2: the podcast together called Get out of This Room. I
Speaker 2: Gotta get like them, and and and she said, well,
Speaker 2: behave women rarely make history that is completely morally neutral.
Speaker 2: By the way, it means like a woman who is
Speaker 2: a murderer will make history. Of course, So where do
Speaker 2: you Where do we stand? Where do we Where does
Speaker 2: that leave us? It's kind of like if you, let's
Speaker 2: say you're a tech entrepreneur, you say my goal is
Speaker 2: to change the world. Disrupt that could disrupt Those are
Speaker 2: morally neutral statements. That could mean you're going to say,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem so neutral.
Speaker 1: Disrupt good or disrupt bad? Yeah, you could disrupt good
Speaker 1: or disrupt you think.
Speaker 5: In case maybe something's been disrupted.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'll find my way on that phrase.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: So what do you think of the phrase check please?
Speaker 1: That I relate to more, I really relate to.
Speaker 4: That yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it just it's easier
Speaker 4: for me to kind of comprehend what's going on there situationally,
Speaker 4: and that might be my acting background or something like that.
Speaker 5: I'm dropped into a scene, Well.
Speaker 1: It combines your acting background and your comedy background. Yeah, finally,
Speaker 1: where I can.
Speaker 5: It's a sketch, it's a scene and whatever, my what's
Speaker 5: my motivation?
Speaker 3: Where have I been?
Speaker 1: Where am I going? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Check?
Speaker 1: Please check please? Speaking of check, please, we should do
Speaker 1: a final segment. Okay, So our final segment is called
Speaker 1: shout outs, and in the stement we pay allmash to
Speaker 1: the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out and
Speaker 1: shout out anything that we enjoy. People, places, things, ideas,
Speaker 1: and we make them up on the spot. Do you
Speaker 1: have one? I have one, but it's kind of I'm
Speaker 1: like embarrassed by it preemptively, but you go ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up music lovers and Apple Music subscrib I
Speaker 2: want to give a shout out to Yeba and her
Speaker 2: new album Gene pretty much. This girl actually has something
Speaker 2: called integrity, which I thought was endangered. I thought that
Speaker 2: we had banned that the second Donald Trump rose in
Speaker 2: the ranks and came into office, but it turns out
Speaker 2: some select people in the world still have it, and
Speaker 2: they are able to release music that is actually good
Speaker 2: and not following trends. They're able to say thank you
Speaker 2: for your input, Mark Ronson, but I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: This one myself.
Speaker 2: They are able to be normal and not trend chasing
Speaker 2: and making TikTok dances viral to promote their album, and
Speaker 2: they are able to be Yeba. And so I want
Speaker 2: to say shout out to Yeba and shout out to
Speaker 2: everything you do and continue to do, and shout out
Speaker 2: to specifically the song West Memphis that I have been
Speaker 2: really enjoying on the album Gene by Yeba, the artist Whoop.
Speaker 1: What's Up, Freak Souris and perverse around the globe. I
Speaker 1: have sort of an opposite shout out, and that is
Speaker 1: very on the trend chasing side. I would like to
Speaker 1: give a shout out to the group known as Fuckers,
Speaker 1: but it's spelled that one way. Fc uk er s I,
Speaker 1: you know, finally a group that makes fun dance music
Speaker 1: and seems to not give a f these This chica
Speaker 1: who's in charge is so bored, so lazy. I say
Speaker 1: thank you. Finally someone is cool again. I feel a bit,
Speaker 1: I must say. Oh listening to it, and it's like
Speaker 1: one of those things where if I was twenty three,
Speaker 1: i'd know i'd like have really strong opinions about whether
Speaker 1: they sucked or whether they were good. But I right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not that age, and in fact, I'm much older
Speaker 1: than that, and I think, you know what, who gives
Speaker 1: a f If this girl can be lazy and sing whatever,
Speaker 1: then I can be lazy in my critique and just
Speaker 1: say what a blast. I'm having fun. It makes me
Speaker 1: feel like I'm in New York City and I am
Speaker 1: out at the club, having wearing my little sunglasses and
Speaker 1: drinking my little drinks. So shout out to fuckers. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's how you pronounce it or if
Speaker 1: there's a different way, And I'm sorry that that's their name.
Speaker 1: I didn't choose it. Xoxo Sam. Wow, Hey listeners, what's up.
Speaker 5: It's me Amy Zimmer and I wanted to say.
Speaker 4: I have to say right off bat that we've talked
Speaker 4: joked a lot about AI and I can't say that
Speaker 4: I'm quite interested in it, but I have to give
Speaker 4: a quick shout out to the weird reels I've been
Speaker 4: seeing of strawberries getting intimistic situations.
Speaker 5: I have been seeing a lot of that stuff lately.
Speaker 4: And it is shocking and mind blowing to see strawberries
Speaker 4: having an affair with mangoes, blueberries, eggplants and more.
Speaker 5: Oh God, some of these women are single mothers.
Speaker 4: They are raising children without much support, and I think
Speaker 4: we need to be kinder to them. From the stories
Speaker 4: that I have seen, these women need to be absolutely
Speaker 4: lifted up. And I think these reels should ultimately stop.
Speaker 4: But I have to shout out because they are in
Speaker 4: my brain at the moment. And then lastly, want to
Speaker 4: give a quick shout out to George and Sam. It's
Speaker 4: always something with them and I'm you know, an honor
Speaker 4: to be a guest once again and shout out blue
Speaker 4: Hair and April seventeen, April.
Speaker 1: Seventeen, Well, this has been such a true treat. The
Speaker 1: chemistry is electric and every time you know, you think
Speaker 1: you don't have it and then you just start talking sad.
Speaker 1: Damn there it is so wow. Excited to see the film.
Speaker 2: It's so good And if I can be ernest for
Speaker 2: a second, Amy, I'm so proud of you, and I
Speaker 2: really I was really blown away by the film, and
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it's one of the ones that
Speaker 2: really sticks with you. Let's say that it ends and
Speaker 2: you're saying that's going to come back to haunt me
Speaker 2: at a moment I don't even expect.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you well, bye bye.
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Speaker 2: Created and hosted by me George Severs and Sam Taggart.
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Jenna Cagel, co produced by Becca Ramos.
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Speaker 1: Ben Kling.