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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber production of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie

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Speaker 1: Reese and I'm more In Vogelbaum, and today we have

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Speaker 1: a classic episode for you about why we eat three

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Speaker 1: meals a day? Yes, which is a question I still

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Speaker 1: every now and then catch myself thinking like, what is

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Speaker 1: going on here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because we get into it in the top

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Speaker 2: of the episode, but you still have a very rigid

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Speaker 2: three meals a day system, right.

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Speaker 1: It is during the pandemic. It has become two meals

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Speaker 1: a day. I don't do breakfast anymore because I'm not

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Speaker 1: running anymore, Okay, but yes, I am very much alike.

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Speaker 1: It is this time. This is the time.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise what am I even doing? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And I was thinking about this one. It

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Speaker 2: is from April of twenty eighteen, and I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about it because when we went on our trip recently,

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Speaker 2: we were, you know, going to the West coast Ish

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Speaker 2: and so we were going to Pacific time. We are

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Speaker 2: in Eastern time under normal Atlantic circumstances, and so Annie

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Speaker 2: you kindly made us dinner reservations at eight thirty local time. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and we all kind of suddenly realized like, oh, that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be like eleven thirty according to our bodies, right,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, great, I snack once every twenty

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Speaker 2: five minutes anyway, this is just fine for me. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't really matter when I have dinner. And you were

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Speaker 2: like the way that you were mentally preparing yourself for

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Speaker 2: it was physically manifesting the way that like someone like

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Speaker 2: buckles themselves into like a helicopter seat.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, we made I don't know if you noticed,

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Speaker 1: but we we didn't have like an argument at all,

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Speaker 1: but like kind of a discussion about it, because you

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Speaker 1: give you a snack and I was like, you were

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Speaker 1: bringing logic to something illogical, like this is not going

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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 3: We made the people behind us laugh. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you noticed, but I did.

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Speaker 2: I did well because hey, I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: this was on the airplane, and I have no idea

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Speaker 2: if they knew that we knew each other or if

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Speaker 2: like I was just randomway inserting myself into your life.

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Speaker 1: Right, because we weren't sitting next to each other. We

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because because I was like I was like I

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Speaker 4: I like let it go for a minute, and then

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Speaker 4: like a few minutes later, I was like, Annie, really

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Speaker 4: like you can have these almonds.

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Speaker 2: I have extra like you. I it's like like I

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Speaker 2: appoint myself Jewish grandmother of the trip. Like you are

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Speaker 2: allowed to eat. I'm giving you permission. And you were like, no,

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Speaker 2: that's how they get you.

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Speaker 1: Well, then it was interesting because you then you asked

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Speaker 1: me a follow up question as we landed in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: days later, and you asked me like, but you you

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Speaker 1: stray cat meaning free food, you eat it, but you won't.

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Speaker 3: I won't you eat the snacks.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you this is actually a really good

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Speaker 1: illustration of how much I don't like snacks. It's competing,

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Speaker 1: like I won't like in our office, I could have

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Speaker 1: taken a bunch of free snacks, but I didn't. What

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Speaker 1: I wanted was the free food that I could eat

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Speaker 1: as a full meal. It's a full meal even if

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Speaker 1: I didn't want it.

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Speaker 2: Wild I love a snacks.

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Speaker 1: You you do, and I'm happy for you. I just

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Speaker 1: sat up really straight when I said that, I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy for you. Yes, whatever and whatever works for you,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy about that too.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I do have a question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, before we get into this Uh, we're doing a

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Speaker 1: classic because we're having some like technical issues, life issues, all.

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Speaker 3: Kinds of visions.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 1: But your birthday is coming up. Oh so it is. Huh,

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Speaker 1: I keep forgetting that is, yes, that you told me

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Speaker 1: you keep forgetting it. But I was wondering, do you

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Speaker 1: have like a food that you go to for your

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Speaker 1: birthday other than mustard, which I know we've done.

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Speaker 2: Huh, Like something that I that I try to obtain

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Speaker 2: for myself on a birthday occasion, Probably seafood of some kind.

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Speaker 2: It always just feels fancy and it's some of my

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Speaker 2: of some kind, that's that's usually what I'm going to

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Speaker 3: But uh, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's it's more I feel like birthdays are more like

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Speaker 2: does fall over Memorial Day weekend frequently, like in the past,

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Speaker 2: it's always been like a cookout kind of situation and

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I don't know. During the pandemic. Pandemics are weird.

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Speaker 2: As it turns out, they're strange. I will agree with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so I actually don't have plans yet.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I kind of have plans like the day

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Speaker 4: before and then I'm just I don't know, we're going

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Speaker 4: to figure it out. Dates are to me, it's sort

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Speaker 4: of like again, it's like a vibe. It's like this

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Speaker 4: like a birthday, like I don't know, like I'll get

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Speaker 1: I'm all about it. I mean the same during the

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Speaker 1: pandemic especially, it's just kind of been like what been like, Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: soon I hope we can get together and we can

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Speaker 1: maybe chip away at our list and watch some movies specials.

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Speaker 2: Yes, some holidays specials. Some Evil deads, yes, you guys.

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Speaker 2: Annie hadn't seen any Evil Dead movies until.

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Speaker 1: Except the new one yep, which I know is a

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Speaker 1: It's a real faux pas for me. So I'm happy

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Speaker 1: about this exchange. I don't think it's quite fair because

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Speaker 1: the holiday special is more terrifying than any of that. Probably,

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy about it, and I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm psyched to see which is worse, because yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there you go. And that's the birthday vibe, which is

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Speaker 2: worse with some food.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's right. Yeah, yeah, well wow.

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Speaker 2: On on that note, I suppose that we should let

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Speaker 2: former Andy and Lauren take it away.

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to food stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm Anniris and I'm Loaur and vocal Bomb, and today

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Speaker 2: we're talking about not a specific food in particular, but

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Speaker 2: rather a system of eating.

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Speaker 3: A system of eating. Yes, three meals a day.

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Speaker 2: Why do we do that? Why?

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Speaker 1: It's uh well, there's a lot of reasons why So

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Speaker 1: in the US, and I think most Western countries is

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Speaker 1: three square meals a day.

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Speaker 2: That's the rule.

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Speaker 3: That's it. Yep, that's it.

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Speaker 1: And if listeners you have a different eating frequency, please.

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Speaker 3: Write in and let us know.

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Speaker 1: From what I read online, several countries have four meals,

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Speaker 1: the fourth being a smaller mid afternoon snack.

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Speaker 2: As some kind of tea time almost kind of kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some cultures do a big breakfast, some

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Speaker 1: a big lunch. In the US, I would say, our

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Speaker 1: big meal is dinner or supper depending, Yeah, what do

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Speaker 1: you what word do you use.

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Speaker 2: For that dinner? But my my family, my mother's side

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Speaker 2: of the family in Ohio would have said dinner for

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Speaker 2: lunch and supper for dinner.

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Speaker 3: Oh really?

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Speaker 2: Who?

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Speaker 1: We mostly used dinner, but supper also meant the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You could use either interchangeably. We'll be talking about that.

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Speaker 2: But you didn't use the word dinner for lunch.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, okay, yeah, huh, it meant the same meal.

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Speaker 1: My mom was pretty Southern, and she would say supper.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm really bad at his othern accents. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that worked out.

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Speaker 2: That did that did Annie? Y'all couldn't see it, but

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Speaker 2: Annie just like grew this gorgeous, amazing feathered hat. She

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Speaker 2: said that word.

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Speaker 3: I did. It's one of my many skills.

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Speaker 1: And I got to thinking about this recently when I

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Speaker 1: was anxiously waiting for six pm because I have strict rules.

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Speaker 1: Lunch is no earlier than noon and dinner is no

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Speaker 1: earlier than six pm. In fact, people have commented on

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Speaker 1: this in the office because they'll hear my stomach making

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Speaker 1: so much sound, like at eleven thirty, and they say.

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Speaker 3: Well, why don't you come with us and get lunch,

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Speaker 1: Like, nope, gotta wait, not until noon twelve pm, because

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Speaker 1: to be so hungry. But it sounds ridiculous already. This

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Speaker 1: I eat three meals a day, hungry or not hungry,

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Speaker 1: three meals a day, and I started wondering if this routine,

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Speaker 1: if this was just.

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Speaker 3: Routine based on my part, on all of our parts.

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Speaker 1: Or if there's some general body thing going on, whereas

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Speaker 3: When you should be hungry again. So that's kind of

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Speaker 3: why we're talking about this today.

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Speaker 2: Do you snack in between meals at all? Do you

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Speaker 1: Oh? Never? Oh? Never?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: I go about my eating habits and either I either

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Speaker 2: eat about two meals a day, like a lunch and

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Speaker 3: Day like an antelope on the safari.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with maybe like a main dinner meal. That's more

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Speaker 3: But uh.

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Speaker 2: Note Three meals a Day was also a South Korean

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Speaker 2: reality TV show about people and guest celebrities using what

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Speaker 2: they could grow, catch and forage in a small fishing

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Speaker 2: village to make three meals a day, three days a week.

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Speaker 3: Oh fun note.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we're mostly we're mostly It's the first

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Speaker 2: I was just like, h might as well include this.

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Speaker 2: There you go. But yeah, we're mostly talking today about

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Speaker 2: Europe in North America in this particular episode, because yes,

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Speaker 2: it is fascinating to us how ingrained this concept is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and if you stop and think about how many

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Speaker 1: things these meals influence breakfast, lunch, dinner, it influences weddings, dates,

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Speaker 1: work days. Oh yeah, it's kind of bizarre when you

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Speaker 2: It's sort of the structure, yeah, of our days.

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Speaker 3: It really is. I spend most of my day thinking

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Speaker 3: about the next meal. Is that a good time? A

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Speaker 3: good way to spend your days? I don't know. And

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Speaker 3: while it's been a hard and fast rule, those blasted millennials.

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Speaker 1: Are moving away from it, which equates to substantial gains

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Speaker 1: in the packaged snack market.

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Speaker 3: In the US.

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Speaker 1: And at twenty seventeen, fourteen point two percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: we're eating five or more snacks a day, and the

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Speaker 1: largest consumer push seems to be high protein snacks.

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Speaker 1: More and more people are foregoing breakfast entirely, about fifteen percent.

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Speaker 1: And the snacking industry has excellent corporate terminology like core snacking,

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Speaker 1: May seem obvious, but this whole meal thing, like three

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Speaker 1: The short answer of where the three meals a day

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Speaker 1: If we look at breakfast in the scheme of things,

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons this midday meal was so big

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Speaker 1: But generally is this one meal around noontime that was it.

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Speaker 3: Times have changed in the US. Man, Oh yeah, breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I will not eat my yogurt with a spoon. I

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Speaker 3: That is what we were promised in this future.

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Speaker 2: We don't have hotherboards, but we have drinkable yogurt.

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Speaker 1: As the world urbanized, mass produced food became a necessity,

444
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Speaker 1: there wasn't room for everyone to have a garden or

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Speaker 1: their own livestock. Some people didn't even have kitchens.

446
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Speaker 3: More terminology madness.

447
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Speaker 1: The word lunch wasn't used at all until the nineteenth century.

448
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Speaker 1: It may have come from an old Anglo Saxon word nuncheon,

449
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Speaker 1: which denoted a quick to go type snack between meals

450
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Speaker 1: and the seventeenth century like a sandwich, perhaps allegedly invented

451
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Speaker 1: by the Earl of Sandwich in the seventeen fifties so

452
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Speaker 1: I could eat with one hand.

453
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Speaker 3: Or it could be.

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Speaker 1: Derived from nunch, a word that referred to a big

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Speaker 1: chunk of bread.

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Speaker 3: In the sixteenth and so eeventeenth century.

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Speaker 2: Either one mysteries mysteries of history.

458
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Speaker 1: Industrialization increased the amount of wheat in the American diet,

459
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Speaker 1: since it was now easier to produce a higher quality,

460
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Speaker 1: cheaper product. From eighteen thirty to eighteen fifty the wheat

461
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Speaker 1: consumption of the average American went up by twenty pounds

462
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Speaker 1: per year. Yeah, the meat to wheat ratio flipped, and

463
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Speaker 1: a lot of the sweet breakfast breads we eat now

464
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Speaker 1: became more popular.

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Speaker 3: As a way to start your day.

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Speaker 1: Then at the beginning of the twentieth century we get

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Speaker 1: John Gug. Yeah that John Gugg and corn flakes, Edward burnetes,

468
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Speaker 1: and bacon. As we talked about in the Bacon episode,

469
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Speaker 1: the marketing push for breakfast is the most important meal

470
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Speaker 1: of the day in the nineteen twenties and thirties to

471
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Speaker 1: get people to buy more bacon and other breakfast foods.

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Speaker 1: That always makes me think of the quote from ressa development,

473
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Speaker 1: what of what I always say is the most important

474
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Speaker 1: thing breakfast? And then he's like, no family, and George

475
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Speaker 1: Michael says, oh, I thought you. You're talking about the

476
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Speaker 1: things that we eat. Anyway, this is me. Breakfast took

477
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Speaker 1: a hit during World War Two, but once the war

478
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Speaker 1: was over and things like the toaster, sliced bread and

479
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Speaker 1: instant coffee became commonplace, breakfast came back in a big way.

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Speaker 1: Another thing about the Industrial Revolution, jobs went from being

481
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Speaker 1: mostly outdoors active physical to mostly indoors. Sedentary people didn't

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Speaker 1: change their food intake to reflect this change. However, especially

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Speaker 1: when it came to breakfast. Doctors started sounding the alarm

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Speaker 1: in the US after patient complaint of indigestion grew to

485
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Speaker 1: a really must have been high high level because it

486
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Speaker 1: was called a national case of indigestion.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And that's when the idea of a lighter breakfast came in,

489
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Speaker 1: which Kellogg capitalized on, oh yeah and yeah.

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Speaker 3: It just took off from there.

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Speaker 1: And another thing we can't leave the television of the conversation,

492
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Speaker 1: not only as a way to advertise foods, but as

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Speaker 1: key and perpetuating this idea of the family tin oh yeah.

494
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Speaker 1: Movies television commercials often featured this idea of the family meal.

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Speaker 1: According to the BBC article about this, I was reading,

496
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Speaker 1: the family dinner is on the decline, and this decline

497
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Speaker 1: began in nineteen eighty six with the first microwave meal.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, yeah. The lighter breakfast thing is still trending,

499
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Speaker 2: although these days breakfast cereals and other staples like orange

500
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Speaker 2: juice are trending way down, like thirty to forty percent

501
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: down in the past couple decades in favor of other

502
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Speaker 2: carb based products supplemented with a heavy dose of protein,

503
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Speaker 2: like like all those breakfast sandwiches and avocado toasts and

504
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Speaker 2: protein bars and yogurt drinks.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that makes sense. So that's pretty much why we

506
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Speaker 1: have the three meals a day. It's routine and work days,

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Speaker 1: I would say industrialization routine workday, but we are sort

508
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Speaker 1: of moving away from it. I have a lot of

509
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Speaker 1: friends that still only eat, They eat three meals a day,

510
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Speaker 1: no matter what.

511
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Speaker 2: No matter what. Yeah, And I've got a lot of

512
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Speaker 2: friends who alternately have tried all kinds of different different

513
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: diet plans, like specifically because they have they promise weight

514
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: loss or exercise results based on eating more meals a

515
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: day but smaller or the intermittent fasting thing. And we're

516
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Speaker 2: going to get into a tiny bit of a sign

517
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Speaker 2: with that. After one more quick break for a word

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Speaker 2: from our sponsor.

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Speaker 3: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. So you asked earlier, Annie, if if maybe

521
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: like there was a certain like like rhythm in our bodies,

522
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Speaker 2: like you know, these this these three times in a

523
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Speaker 2: day that were primed to eat.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this amount of time passes in this is when

525
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: you should be hungry.

526
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Speaker 2: Well, And it certainly is true that through your digestive system,

527
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Speaker 2: your your food moves about in about six to eight

528
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Speaker 2: hour intervals or so. That's about how long it takes

529
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Speaker 2: for food to pass from your throat through you know,

530
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Speaker 2: your butt, and depending on what you've got going on,

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Speaker 2: and so having meals in about six to eight hour

532
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Speaker 2: intervals certainly does make a certain amount of sense. But

533
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Speaker 2: whether or not eating three meals a day is good

534
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Speaker 2: for you is one of those things that without without

535
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Speaker 2: doing a whole episode's worth of research on, is best

536
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: summed up as our bodies are complicated and more research

537
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: needs to be done the food stuff motto And y'all

538
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Speaker 2: you've been calling for a fasting slash cetogenic diet episode,

539
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Speaker 2: and we hear you. It is on the list. That

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Speaker 2: is not the section right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, from what I read throughout the years and

542
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Speaker 1: also specifically for this episode, kind of like Brief over You,

543
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to matter, at least current research suggests

544
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to matter at all.

545
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: How often you eat.

546
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Speaker 1: Six meals a day versus three a day of the

547
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: same calorie account, you're going to see the same results.

548
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Speaker 2: Generally, there is some evidence that eating two close to bedtimes,

549
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: say within an hour too, will spike your blood sugar

550
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: and insulin, which can lower your melatonin, which can make

551
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: it harder to sleep. Yeah, but there is extremely weak

552
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: evidence that breakfast is that most important meal of the day.

553
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Speaker 2: There are lots of studies that have concluded all kinds

554
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Speaker 2: of things about breakfast fighting obesity and risk of heart disease,

555
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: but reviews of these studies unfortunately show that they've been

556
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Speaker 2: pretty heavily biased in their interpretations of their data and

557
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: even misleading in their language about their data. Thus, like overstating,

558
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: they're already kind of shaky conclude, So what's going on here?

559
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: Would you believe me if I said financial conflicts of interest?

560
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, could not be. It's got to be something else.

561
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: It's never happened in the food industry before. Perhaps it's aliens.

562
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

563
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Speaker 2: Uh. Major breakfast food industry players like Kellogg's and Quaker

564
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: Oats help fund a lot of these studies, and while

565
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Speaker 2: a biased funding source does not necessarily mean that the

566
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Speaker 2: resulting research will be biased, it's certainly something to take

567
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Speaker 2: into consideration. Absolutely, But that doesn't cover the other part

568
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Speaker 2: of the breakfast debate whether you need it for good

569
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Speaker 2: smart thought power.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, my mom was such a believer in that.

571
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Speaker 1: That's why I love the big test days because she

572
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Speaker 1: would made like a big breakfast.

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Speaker 3: It was the best, like bacon and eggs and.

574
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Speaker 1: Toast with butter and strawberries, an orange juice, a fresh squeeze.

575
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Speaker 3: It's a best.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

577
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Speaker 3: Anyway, I interrupted your scientific sete.

578
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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, that I mean that will certainly

579
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Speaker 2: at least have like a psychological effect of like, oh

580
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Speaker 2: I'm willing to get up and go now.

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Speaker 3: I was pumped.

582
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Speaker 1: I was like, ooh crct day breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Back back on the science side, that the problem with

584
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Speaker 2: research in this area because it does tend to some

585
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Speaker 2: research does tend to show that, you know, having students

586
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Speaker 2: eating breakfast leads to better scholastic results. But the problem

587
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Speaker 2: with research in this area is that a lot of

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Speaker 2: it is done with students and school breakfast programs, and

589
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Speaker 2: unfortunately it fails to consider the student's food security at home. Right,

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Speaker 2: because you have to keep in mind that sadly, twelve

591
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Speaker 2: to fifteen percent of American households are food insecure, meaning

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Speaker 2: that they do not have access to food, enough access

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Speaker 2: to food for all of their household members to live

594
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Speaker 2: an active and healthy lifestyle. So if you're not considering

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Speaker 2: what kids eat for dinner the previous night, or whether

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Speaker 2: they were able to eat dinner at all, you really

597
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Speaker 2: can't judge the impact that eating breakfast at school has

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Speaker 2: on their academic performance and their weight profile. Right, which

599
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Speaker 2: brings us to really the main point in the is

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Speaker 2: breakfast healthy? Are three meals a day necessary? Kind of

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Speaker 2: question being that if you're hungry in the morning, or

602
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Speaker 2: you know, if you'll feel dull or sluggish or jittery

603
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: if you don't eat, you should eat, and furthermore, you

604
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Speaker 2: should be able to eat. But hunger is a separate

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Speaker 2: episode for sure. I mean, also, you know, be careful

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Speaker 2: with fasting because fasting when you're hungry can lead to

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Speaker 2: overeating later, so do watch out for that. You could

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Speaker 2: be protecting yourself from from overeating later in the day.

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Speaker 2: Annie with you with your very strict breakfast rule. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, if you're just not hungry in the morning,

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Speaker 2: don't force yourself. And if you're for a particular weight

612
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Speaker 2: or fat change and you're fasting in the morning, because

613
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Speaker 2: of that, and you also really want our take on that.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, yeah for another episode not this fun, but basically,

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Speaker 2: pay attention to your body, not just your cravings, but

616
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Speaker 2: also how you feel after you eat or do not eat.

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Speaker 2: Keep a journal if you think that would help. Try

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Speaker 2: to eat some proteins and fruit or vegetables and like

619
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Speaker 2: bits of fats and grains at all your meals, or

620
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Speaker 2: maybe balance those things throughout the day through snacking. Hydrate,

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Speaker 2: always always hydrate. Yeah, And you'all take care of yourselves, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: please do because you're all lovely you are.

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Speaker 1: It's so that so much of the science are the

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Speaker 1: recommendations we get from these studies. They're just ubiquitous, like

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Speaker 1: that eat breakfast, oh yeah, everywhere.

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Speaker 3: If you want to lose weight, eat eat breakfast. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that's.

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Speaker 2: It's just really personal, is the problem.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 2: And these studies are frequently small, and like I said earlier,

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Speaker 2: there's frequently various rigorosity issues with them, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: i'd pay. I know it's a less sexy answer. I

633
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Speaker 2: know it's so much nicer to just be told, like,

634
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Speaker 2: do this thing and it will work. It is, but

635
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. For everybody, and so it's actually kind

636
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Speaker 2: of a good thing in the long run, because I

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Speaker 2: feel like I know, I and lots of other people

638
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: that I know, get so frustrated about not being able

639
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Speaker 2: to achieve whatever body type or result that they're looking

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Speaker 2: for through these things that they're told will work or

641
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Speaker 2: even are sold to work. And it's it's not always.

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Speaker 1: Like that, no, yeah, I mean it's annoying too when

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00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: you have a friend doing one thing and you're doing

644
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Speaker 1: the same thing.

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Speaker 3: And it's not working for you.

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Speaker 1: But that, yeah, that is good. And I personally have

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Speaker 1: used a few journal before and I find it really helpful.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that is why we have three emails and.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of the science about eating them like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and we will. There's so much there.

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Speaker 1: We have given ourselves quite the task, but we will

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Speaker 1: tackle it. We shall in the future.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we can get one of those fancy science

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Speaker 2: experts on here.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that'd.

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Speaker 2: Be Great'd be so good.

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Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of this classic episode.

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Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed it as much as we

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Speaker 1: enjoyed revisiting it, and as always, we love hearing from

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Speaker 1: you listeners. So if you have any birthday meals, birthday vibes, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: wish Lauren a happy birthday? Yeah, yeah, any of those

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Speaker 1: kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: Is.

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Speaker 1: I love when you associate I have such strong associations

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Speaker 1: with food for events and things.

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Speaker 3: Just let us know. Yes.

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Speaker 1: You can email us at Hello atsavorpod dot com.

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Speaker 2: We are also on social media. You can find us

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at saver Pod and we

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Speaker 2: do hope to hear from you. Save is production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, you can visit

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to

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Speaker 2: your favorite shows. Thanks as always to our super producers

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Speaker 2: Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you for listening,

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Speaker 2: and we hope that lots more good things are coming

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