1 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Aba fam. 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: It's time for the b a qa a the v 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: a qa which say the v a q a with manda, 4 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: the b a q a the b a qa a 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: ba fam. 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: How are y'all doing? Can we just take a quick 7 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: wo saw? I really need a woo saw. I ain't 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: gonna lie to y'all. It's Thursday night, it's ten o'clock. 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: I just got back from the city. I wasn't planning 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: to go into Manhattan. I live about forty five minutes. 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: That's a damn lie. See. This is what happens when 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: you leave New York and you try to kid yourself 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: into thinking that you live closer than you do door 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: to door. Commute to Grant's Central is forty minutes. But 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: then I had to carry my booty all the way 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: down to Brooklyn Bridge City Hall because my husband works 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: for the government and he is one of millions of 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: federal workers who were impacted by Lord Voldemort reincarnated in 19 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: his executive orders. And for those of y'all listen, I 20 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: forgive you in advance if you've already done forgot what 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: half of the or even a fraction of what these 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: executive orders that have come down. But my husband. In particular, 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: he was in the very final stage of getting an 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: offer from a federal agency that would have not only 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: been a great career opportunity for him, but it would 26 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: have allowed him to work closer to home, to where 27 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: we live. And right now, he commutes an hour and 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: a half minimum on bad you know, bad train days, 29 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: We're talking like two hours each way, and he is tie. 30 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: I heard this man has been doing this. And he 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: comes home he does not you know, he's not trying 32 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: to go to after office happy hours. He is trying 33 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: to get home. He leaves early whenever he can, and 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: he still feels like he's missing too much. And obviously, 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: just y'all know if you commute, if your commute is 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: anything like that, y'all know how just tiring and how 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: it can wear you down. And we were both so 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: excited for him to accept this new position. He got 39 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: an email when he returned to work on Tuesday, like 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: we all did, he got an email saying, your offer 41 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: has been rescinded due to the recent executive order that 42 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: mandated an immediate temporary hiring freeze across all federal agencies 43 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: except for, of course, you know, your law enforcement, Border 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: Control you know, the essential people that are going to 45 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: come hunt down migrants and take them back to wherever 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: they came from. I guess so he was. He's a 47 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: very like he's a very, he's well, he's just a 48 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: good person to his core. But he's also quiet, and 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: he's a cancer. I'm a leo. So you make up 50 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: your own mind about how that works. He's he feels 51 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: things deeply, and he doesn't let things really get to 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: him typically, And I could tell that this one really hurt. 53 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was just the worst possible timing. 54 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: And he had already told all of his work colleagues, 55 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: and he and another young woman that he works with 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: as well were applying to the same agency. They were 57 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: each in the same stage, the final stage of hiring, 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: like background check, like go pee in a cup kind 59 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: of stuff. They were just waiting on their start date, 60 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: and they both got let down, and his colleagues offered 61 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: to take them out for a drink and just have 62 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: a good old pity party. And it's really you feel 63 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: kind of like powerless. I mean, there's there's just nothing 64 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: I can do to make it better for him. But 65 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I did got a sitter to watch the kids, and 66 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: I went all the way down to Lower Manhattan to 67 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: just be there for him and to share space with 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: him and his colleagues. And it was really nice, actually, 69 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: but I dropped everything to do that, and that includes 70 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: doing my normal prep for the BAQA episode. So I'm 71 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: here now and I'm never sad to show up to 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the mic for y'all. Y'all know that you know I 73 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: love y'all. Ba Fam. I'm going to pick a couple 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: of questions from the mail bag and thank y'all to 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: those who have been sending in your questions. It's never 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: too late to submit questions to the show. You can 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: hit us up at Brand Ambition Podcast at gmail dot com, 78 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: and I suggest that if you're writing a really long one, 79 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: email is better, and then if you have a short question, 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: hit us up on Instagram at Brand Ambition Podcast. I'm 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: at Mandy Money, but the ba in box is regularly monitored. Okay. 82 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: I just want to acknowledge that there are human beings 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: whose lives are being impacted and so many ways by 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: the policies that are being put in place, so many frameworks, 85 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: so many regulatory agencies that are here to look out 86 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: for the people who don't have billions of dollars in 87 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: private jets and a dick. The rest of us who 88 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: are not, you know, the top point zero zero one 89 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: percent of America, we kind of need someone looking out 90 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: for us. And that's literally what these regulatory bodies and 91 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: laws were created for the Constitution itself. And to see 92 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: it just being taken apart brick by brick, not even 93 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: like brick by brick, more like just detonated, like demolished 94 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: right before our eyes, it's it's shocking. I want to 95 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: offer support and just yeah, hold space for those who 96 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: have been impacted, For those of y'all whose family members 97 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: are keeping the curtains drawn and not opening the door 98 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: to anyone that they're not one hundred percent sure who 99 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: it is. To people who are too afraid to now 100 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: go to church or to school because they're afraid they're 101 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: going to be scooped up in a van and forced 102 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: to return to a country that they haven't called home 103 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: for decades, for years, maybe even ever. That I'm with you, 104 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: the Brand Ambition family is with you as well, to 105 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus community. My goodness, my brother in law 106 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: who's a transman. When you finally embrace the identity that 107 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: you choose to have and the way that you feel, 108 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: and the really just getting to a place where you 109 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: have this new chapter, you're starting this new journey and 110 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: you feel more like yourself than you have for decades. 111 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: And you watch this person embrace who they are and 112 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: the excitement, the joy, the relief that they feel, and 113 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: to know that now they're in a place where it 114 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: was already unsafe for this community, and now it's even 115 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: less safe. And I just I link arms with the 116 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus community, the queer commun unity. I got, y'all. 117 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: We have to have each other's backs. We have to support, 118 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: protect each other, look out for one another more than 119 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: ever at this moment. All right, you know what, speaking 120 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: of wusaws, I'm gonna take a little break and we'll 121 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: be right back to take some of y'all's questions. Be 122 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: right back, ba fam, All right, ba fam? Who breathing 123 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: is so healing? I don't know if the whole meditation 124 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: movement made it to y'all during the pandemic like it 125 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: did just about everybody else. But you don't have to 126 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 1: do like a proper meditation, just like putting your feet 127 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: on the ground, putting your hand on your chest, just 128 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: breathing in, breathing out. It's so it's so silly and 129 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: so true. It just really helps ground you helps me 130 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: feel grounded and feel centered and be ready to pour 131 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: into y'all. So let go enough of that. I want 132 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: to take a question from a listener who submitted this 133 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: I think on itg Yeah, So Jen, Jen reached out said, Hello, 134 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: I love your podcast. I was just listening to one 135 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: about how you were saying how expensive everything is. I 136 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: didn't hear you mention over employment. I know several people 137 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: who have two to four full time jobs working from 138 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: home just to live. It's so sad, but it's also 139 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 1: getting people out of debt and actually giving them money 140 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: to save. Have you discussed this on the podcast. What 141 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: do you think about this? Jen? Okay? Two to four 142 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: full time jobs? God, I mean, listen, this is one 143 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: of those situations where you can't trust the data because 144 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: not everybody is going to tell the truth about holding 145 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: down two to four full time jobs. Like and by 146 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: the way, Jen, I need to meet whoever you know 147 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: that's working full full four full time jobs somehow from home, 148 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: like I can hardly I can hardly imagine like how 149 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: I could add one more thing to my plate and 150 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: I have to businesses that I'm running and being a 151 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: mom and being a human like I just it seems 152 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: impossible and really unhealthy. But to your point, over employment 153 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: and working multiple jobs just to get by is a 154 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: systemic problem in the US, and surprise, surprise, the research 155 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: shows who is it really a systemic problem for black women? 156 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: We are the most likely people in America to be 157 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: working more than one job in order to cover our 158 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: minimum expenses. Nearly ten percent of Black women hold multiple jobs. Okay, 159 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: let that sink in for a second. That's twice as 160 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: much as Hispanic women. It's more way more than men 161 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: in general. It's more than women in general. And it's 162 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: a problem. It's not okay now on its face, Like, 163 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: of course, black women like we are incredible. We can 164 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: achieve anything we put our minds to. We can make 165 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: magic happen, we can do what we need to do 166 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: for our families. But at what cost? And is our 167 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: suffering is the fact that we have to work so 168 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: much harder just to make do. Have we gotten too 169 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: comfortable with that? And so I'm glad Jen that you 170 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity to talk on this, because I 171 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: don't think we should be comfortable with it. I don't 172 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: think that we need to be taking for granted that 173 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: Black women like we have an unlimited supply of energy 174 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: and time to spend our lives in these ways, just 175 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: working and working and working just to get by. Now, 176 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: it's one thing if you've got to side hustle and 177 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: you're doing that on the side, and you're doing it 178 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: to raise extra money and you know, reach some goals 179 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: that you really want to reach, like to increase your investing, 180 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: and you're in saving, and that's fine, And honestly I 181 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: support anyone who wants to have a side hustle on 182 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: top of their regular nine to five. I think that 183 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: that creates financial resilience, especially if it helps you save 184 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: and put more aside for a rainy day. But it 185 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: also makes you less beholden to your one singular employe, 186 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: so that if they were to let you go, which 187 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: is unfortunately still happening and will continue to happen because capitalism, 188 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: that you can take care of yourself, that you can 189 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: support your family and get by when you have that 190 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: financial resilience because you have been stacking your coins and 191 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: working on the side. However, we got to break our 192 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: love affair with seeing black women struggle. We have to 193 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: break the love affair with seeing black women struggle. People 194 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: are way too comfortable with it, way too comfortable with it, 195 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: to the point where I don't know if you guys 196 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: have ever experienced this, but when you're talking to someone 197 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: for the first time, and like, let's say that they're 198 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: a white man, when you're talking about your upbringing, and 199 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: they make assumptions about where you come from or what 200 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of upbringing you had, and they try to identify 201 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: with you based on that. It's like, oh, yeah, well, 202 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up with a single mom and 203 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: we were super poor, and like, yeah, we know. And 204 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: it's just almost like, so do you think that's how 205 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: I grew up just because I'm a black woman. This 206 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: isn't just about hustle culture. We're talking about systemic inequities 207 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: that are demanding that we work harder and work harder 208 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: for less pay, because even though we're working more jobs, 209 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: we're still not getting paid equitably. And in fact, that's 210 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons why we have to work 211 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: so many freaking jobs. Okay, So, like why aren't we 212 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: raising wages for these professions that over index in hiring 213 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: women of color, like undervalued professions like caregiving, home health care, aids, 214 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: retail work, restaurant work, work in the travel industry, hospitality industry. 215 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: Let's stop devaluing those jobs just because you're more likely 216 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: to see women of color working them. We need to 217 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: increase workplace flexibility, so we need to have policies that 218 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: make sense for a paid family leave, for affordable childcare 219 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: that can ease the burden of any woman out there 220 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: who is juggling caregiving and can't make ends meet and 221 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: can't figure out how to do it all at once. Like, 222 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: let's actually have some flexibility in our workplaces. Let's give paid, sickly, 223 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: paid family leave, all these benefits that would make it 224 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: so much easier and take the pressure off of us 225 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: to work these multiple jobs so that we can have flexibility. 226 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: We all know these are issues. We all know that 227 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: we know, Like, I don't got to tell y'all that 228 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: this is impacting us because we see it every day. 229 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: Just like Eugen you see your friends working two to 230 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: four jobs. I just want to acknowledge it. I wish 231 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't this way. And if there's you know, obviously 232 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: at this point is a slim chance, and you know 233 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: where that the elected officials at the top are going 234 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: to do anything about this right now. Certainly not when 235 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: they're too busy dismantling DEI programs and chasing down immigrants 236 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: and focusing on all the wrong things. In my opinion, 237 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: they're not going to be dealing with this stuff. So 238 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: but at the same time, privately owned companies, y'all can 239 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: still stand up. You can make sure that you're reviewing 240 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: your compensation for any signs of gender racial bias that 241 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: could be impacting pay equity. We could be educating when 242 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: in about negotiating how to understand their true market values. 243 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: So that's my work that I do through Manny Moneymakers, 244 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: through of course Brown Ambition as well through all my coaching. 245 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: We got to help each other. We got to talk about, 246 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, the ways that we are making money, the 247 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: ways that we are able to develop multiple income streams, 248 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: but do it in a way where we are not 249 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: sacrificing our sanity and our health in the process. And 250 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: support one another, rely on our communities. Make sure you're 251 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: voting in your local elections. That has never been more 252 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: important vote in your local elections. Pay attention to what's 253 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: happening at the local and state level, because these guys 254 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: and women are going to be the unsung heroes, I 255 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: think to get us through the next four years. Because 256 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: even though the federal policy does matter a great deal, 257 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: there are certainly guard rails and safety nets, social safety 258 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: nets that can be put in place at the state 259 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: and local level that can help if we hold our 260 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: elected officials accountable for putting those safety nets in place. 261 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: All right, So this is not says I know this, 262 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: y'all are not statistics like we are living this life. Okay. 263 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: We have to push for a world where we do 264 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: not have to work so many damn jobs just to survive. Okay, Jen, 265 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your question. Thanks for giving 266 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: me a chance to speak on that. And I'm going 267 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: to take the next question now, but maybe take a 268 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: little break, all right, be right back, ba fam, All right, bafam, 269 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm back with my next question. This comes from listener 270 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: budget Savvy and Stuck. Budget Savvy and Stuck says, how 271 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: do I negotiate for more money in a nonprofit that 272 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: does market analysis for set ranges for position levels? The 273 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: only time people can negotiate is when they come into 274 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: the company. I've been promoted once within the company and 275 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: security twelve thousand dollars rais, but now I feel stuck again. 276 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: I think I have a little more I could learn 277 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: and would hate to leave too soon, but something gotta give. 278 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: I work in that. Oh okay, anonymous note, I work 279 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: in the HR department, so it's incredibly tricky to negotiate 280 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: with the negotiators. Now listen, I completely see what you're saying. 281 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is an issue that also 282 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: holds back a lot of like state and federal workers 283 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: as well, because you have your set pay bands and 284 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: there's like all this magic math that happens to determine 285 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: like where how soon you can move up a level 286 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: and a grade and all those steps and stuff like that. However, 287 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: you make a really important point. The only way you 288 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: can negotiate for more money is when at the nonprofit 289 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: you work for. You've noticed is when people come into 290 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: the company. So you may need to not necessarily leave 291 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: the company, but you may need to be at risk 292 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: of leaving the company. And by that I mean getting 293 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: a competing offer from another firm, another nonprofit, another organization, 294 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and bringing that to them because 295 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: I know, I mean, you're an HR, you know, and 296 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like, honestly, it sounds like they put a 297 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: lot of thought into their analysis for compensation. And I'm 298 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: really not mad at that. And I know there's maybe 299 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: a higher bar for you being one of them to 300 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: try to negotiate. But at the end of the day, 301 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: like if you're really good at your job and they're 302 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: afraid to lose you, and you come to them and 303 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: you say you're going to lose me because they're going 304 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: to offer me ten k more or they're going to 305 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: give me a promotion to whatever title, they have an 306 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: opportunity to step up and try to save you, and 307 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: then you have a choice to make. I know that 308 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: you say you don't want to leave too soon, you 309 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: feel like you have more to learn. Then you got 310 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: a weigh the pros and cons. Do you have to 311 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: stick around to learn those lessons while feeling like you're underpaid, 312 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: or could you learn what you need to learn by 313 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: going to another firm. We all have something that we're 314 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: afraid of and that keeps us stuck, right, So really 315 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: get real with yourself, what is it that I'm actually 316 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: afraid of here, and then let's lay out let's lay 317 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: out what happens. Let's actually create a hypothetical reality where 318 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario happens, and then what will you do? 319 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: Budget savvy and stuck? Who are the five people that 320 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: you're going to call up if it's not working out? 321 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: And who are going to help you by sending you 322 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: new opportunities? Can you go back to your current job? 323 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: Does your team love you enough to be like, Okay, 324 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: if that doesn't work out, come back here. We got 325 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: room for you. Do you have great references? Like do 326 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: you have a great network that can support you as 327 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: your experience really relevant in the marketplace? Are there many 328 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: jobs out there that you'd be a good fit for. 329 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, these are questions to remind yourself that I 330 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: can afford to take a risk, Like even if the 331 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: worst case scenario were to happen, I trust that I could, 332 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: that I got me, that I can pick myself back up. 333 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: You know. Now, I'm not encouraging anyone to make a 334 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: leap or quit their job just because they get more pay. 335 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: I think that you've pointed out like a really good 336 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: counter argument to just leaving in pursuit of higher pay 337 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: or some bigger title. Is you want to think about 338 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: the workplace culture, Like if you really like your colleagues, 339 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: if they give you a really great remote work or 340 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: they let you be flexible and phone in or work 341 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: telecommute some days and come into the office other days, 342 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: if you love the mission of the nonprofit you work for, 343 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: if you really you know, align with the values of 344 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: the company, all that matters as well. Okay, So I 345 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: also think, like, one thing I'll leave you with is 346 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: who's calling you stuck? Why do you you feel stuck? 347 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: Are you really stuck? 348 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: Like? 349 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: And when I think about stuck, I think I'm desperate 350 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: to do something different. I've been doing this for way 351 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: too long. I'm not growing, I'm not using I'm not 352 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: really like using skills that are making an impact. And 353 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: I see no other place to go. I don't have 354 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: any contacts that could get me work anywhere else. I'm 355 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: like really beating up against a brick wall here. They 356 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: don't want to develop me, Like my pay isn't going anywhere. 357 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: What is it that's making you feel stuck? Because I 358 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: don't know that I believe that you're genuinely stuck. I 359 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: think that you might feel that you're stuck, and I 360 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: just wonder if it's something that you can just start 361 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: telling yourself a different story about why you are where 362 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: you are right now. What if you were to flip 363 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: the script and say, oh, no, I'm not stuck. I 364 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: really like the work I'm doing. I love the culture here, 365 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: I have respect with my colleagues. I know I have 366 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: more to learn, and I'm sticking around because this is 367 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: the kind of place I want to learn it from. 368 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: And I know when in a great opportunity comes along, 369 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be so foolish as to ignore 370 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: that opportunity. And of course I'll entertain any cool opportunity 371 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: that comes my way. But it's going to take a 372 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: lot to persuade me to leave this place, because, yeah, 373 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to get paid more, of course, because I 374 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: have financial goals and I want to reach. But I 375 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: really enjoy the work here and I know that there's 376 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: more than just money at the end of the day, 377 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: and that is also like I'm weighing that as well 378 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: as getting paid more and getting that title that I want. 379 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: So no, I'm not stuck. I am strategically choosing to 380 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: stay in place. Because this is the best option I have, 381 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: because this is what I want for my career right now, 382 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: and it's what makes sense for me, and it's what 383 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: I can the best I can do with the information 384 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: I have right now. And if I get new information 385 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: or new opportunities, then I'll weigh those as well. But yeah, 386 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm true, I'm cool. I'm happy with where I'm at. Now, 387 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: that's a different story you can tell yourself. And then 388 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: once you start telling yourself that story, it becomes true. 389 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? It becomes true? And now you're not 390 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: budget savvy and stuck to our budget savvy and slaying 391 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: your budget savvy and sailing your budget savvy and satisfied. Ooh, 392 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: that's the one budget savvy and satisfied. Hell yeah, all right, 393 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: miss budget savvy and satisfied. 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