WEBVTT - Hasan Minhaj 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.480 This is me, Craig Ferguson. I'm inviting you to come 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:05.920 and see my brand new comedy hour. Well it's actually 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.400 it's about an hour and a half and I don't 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.000 have an opener because these guys cost money. But what 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.000 I'm saying is I'll be on stage for a while. Anyway, 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.560 come and see me live on the Pants on Fire 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.720 Tour in your region. Tickets are on sale now and 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.160 we'll be adding more as the tour continues throughout twenty 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.960 twenty five and beyond. For a full list of dates, 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.280 go to the Craig Ferguson Show dot com. See you 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:35.000 on the road, my DearS. My name is Craig Ferguson. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:39.440 The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:46.080 interest in people about what brings them happiness. Welcome to 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.400 the Kids Super Studios here in Brooklyn, New York. I 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.440 am here in the tent, and I am Craig Ferguson, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.960 and I am the host today of the Joy Podcast. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.280 Every time there's the Joy Podcast, I'm the host, but 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.280 I'm the host today, so that counts. My guest today 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.760 has not taking ship from every politician he's interviewed. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.800 Whah, I think is quite predigree. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.440 He's a great comic and a great interviewer, and he's 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:20.119 here and his name is Hassan Minaj John. We were 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.760 talking about how at a certain point in the day, Yeah, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.479 I have to move to decaf because I can't get 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.720 up all night. P This is all in front of you. Man, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.479 I'm from the future, and where are we going? 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:33.040 What's happening? 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.440 Well in the future, when you're my age, you'll have 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.679 to go up and pee like two or three times 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.199 a night, even if you don't have three, well maybe 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:40.560 not three. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:45.440 What are you a doctor? Your my mother is my mother. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.520 That's right, that's a position. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.600 Now here's the thing I was going to say, because 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:51.920 we were talking about this beforehand. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:52.360 What's up? 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:52.960 Right? 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.960 So your parents were immigrants, yes, right, and I'm an immigrant, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.520 and so my kids are in the same position you are, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:01:59.840 was they? 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:01.080 They? 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.320 They kind of get a little frustrated with. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.800 My kind of gung ho America stuff because I don't 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:08.840 know if your parents are the same. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.240 But I'm like, you know, if someone converts to. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.360 Catholicism, they feel like they should be a little more Catholic, yes, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.080 than people who are just like growing up Catholic. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.040 Yeah, I'm kind of. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:19.840 I'm kind of like that. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:20.160 Yeah. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:21.840 I think a lot of immigrants are like that. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.000 Yeah, there's a with the first generation there very we're here, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:26.080 we're here, we met it here. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.600 Yeah, yeah, and now it's going to be fine. Yeah. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:33.200 Look at this spreading central station. Yeah, crushed up, crushed Yeah, 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:34.320 and the kids. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:35.560 Are like, you know, there's a guy pissing right here. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.280 Yeah, those guys pressing everywhere. But yeah, it's kind of 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:45.840 It's an interesting thing because I wonder if if I 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.400 you know, if I'm you know, putting into my kids, 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.520 says that in order for them to rebel against me, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.680 they have to rebel against every because of course it's 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.120 their duty, is the next generation to rebel against whatever 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.280 morals and values and mores than I am? Yeah, do 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:01.920 you find that? Do you think you did that with 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:02.560 your own parents? 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.040 Are we're starting this hot? Well? Why not? 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.160 I mean, we could do that, or we could look 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.600 at the idea because the culture that your parents come 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:11.239 from is Indians. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:16.799 Yes, so it might be you rebel against that or yeah, okay, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:22.760 so I think, uh, really, what what if I'm going 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.000 to zoom out philosophically, what what actually happened was very 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.720 good yeah, let's zoom it out. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.720 Yeah philosophically as well. Very yeah, very very happy. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.600 But yeah, let's put let's pull out on the A 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.080 philosopher is my favorite thing. Let's not do this, Okay, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.400 all right, go ahead, zoom and philosoph all right. I 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.840 think the big split was, Uh, they came here. My 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.320 dad got here in nineteen eighty two. I think he 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.640 had a vision and certainly America was a particular way, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.600 and by the time I came of age to live 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.000 in that America, yeah, it changed. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:54.920 Yeah. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.360 So I think when he came they were running ms 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:03.920 DOS as the operating system, and now it's fucking JavaScript 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.720 and Python and yeah, it's all sorts of it just changed, right, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.320 And So what I what I really was rebelling against 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:15.000 to some capacity, was I think they had a very 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:19.279 fixed understanding of what this country is and can be 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:20.440 and what it can provide. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.279 I think that's a generational thing for everything. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.800 Yeah, I mean that happens. I mean I I and. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.640 I don't blame them for this, like like who am 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.800 I to Yeah, I mean it will happen to you too. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.960 You have kids, absolutely, you know, but your kids are young, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:35.440 you know, and as they grew. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.760 Up, but I got seven. I have a seven year old, 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:38.839 I have a five year old. I can only I 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:39.800 can already feel it. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.479 Yeah, yeah, it does happen. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.120 So so I don't know if you have this with 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.200 the restaurant QR code. You sit down at a restaurant, right, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:47.560 and you go, he can I get can I get 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:47.839 a menu? 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:48.120 Please? 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.400 We'll just scan the QR code. Yeah, and I'll just 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:56.080 start Yeah, welcome to my fucking world. Yeah, it's like 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.800 I get so I get angry, like what what what? Yeah? 0:04:58.960 --> 0:04:59.799 Would you like a receipt? 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.919 Yeah? I would, Yes, I would you like my address? 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.279 Or when they got down a tree and give me 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.520 a piece of pie that I had that I'm about 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.360 to purchase something or I did purchase. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.320 I still get angry at the Starbucks people when they 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:14.120 asked me for a name. 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.680 I'm like, I want a coffee. We're not friends, you know, 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.679 And it's like, do we have a name for the coffee? 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:20.920 The coffee is the name for the coffee. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.440 And I feel like I'm slowly losing. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.080 My grip on the on the world. 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.680 You're losing the plot a little bit, a little bit. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.080 I still like Vinyl, you know. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.000 Yeah, Well, well, my thing is is that I didn't 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.800 opt in, mister Thai restaurant. I didn't opt in for 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.760 the q R, right. I came to have lunch with you, right, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.520 not to have you and me be on our phone, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.159 right and the. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.480 Data grab that they're taking all of your stuff. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.000 And see yeah, and they go, just pay, just pay 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:50.640 on your phone, please don't make me do this. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.760 Well that I think that's great though, because that you're 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.760 embracing the crankiness pretty young, pretty young, But that's good. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.960 Yeah, well into it, make it part of your life. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:03.880 But of course that kind kind of dissatisfaction and borderline missionry, 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.080 I think is. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.599 That's what makes a comedian though, isn't it. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.600 Yes, we are very good at complaining. Yeah, it really is. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.640 We're just complainers, is what we are. Humorous complains, humorous complainers. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.839 So when people say we're philosophers, like we're not actually 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.799 providing any solutions, really we're actually just very good cranks. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.440 Well, you know, here's the thing, though, I would dispute 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.000 with you the philosophers of any stripe of provided any 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:27.960 solutions anyway. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.240 I mean, I mean that's true. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.640 Maybe they just maybe just they clarified, yea they clarified, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.680 you know, even then I don't know. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.800 I mean, like this is me being contrarian, because yeah, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.760 but the idea of you know, like Socrates saying, now, look, 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.839 I'm any philosophy I know is forgive me is Western philosophy. 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:48.880 You may know more about you. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:55.840 So, but Socrates certainly like knowing the right questions to ask. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.240 I'm like, well, I don't know if that's enough, is it? 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.800 But Barnley it was. And then here's the thing I 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.520 was thinking about Socrates recently in cancel culture. Okay, so 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.919 I have this theory like you know, when Athens was 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:12.680 popping off five hundred BC BCE, the all these philosophers 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.920 were there. I feel like it was like gigs. I 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.840 think it was like the comedy seller. Oh, people, are 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.480 you going to see Socrates? You know, he's got, he's got, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.880 he's working on fifteen right, he's doing a fifteen minutes, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.600 you know, the Athenone or something. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.440 But I feel like it was probably like that. It 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.520 was like entertaining for people, and doing the Parthenon was 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.840 a theater gig. But the Beacon, it's it's the beacon, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.080 or maybe it's the gardens. The garden rhy and but 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.200 there's the seller where you work out your little bit 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.600 of philosophy before you go in. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:49.560 Yeah, and I feel like that happened a lot throughout 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:50.920 the years of human history. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.240 I think that, like, here's here's my I pitched. This 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:55.080 is an idea to you. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.840 Even like my background is in Christianity, uses in Islam. 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.120 But when we were getting taught about Jesus and they 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.920 would say things Jesus had said, I'd be like, really, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.640 it's not really that great, I think to say. But 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.400 my guess is a delivery was great. And then so 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.840 I'm guessing saying when Jesus said an ancient Aramaic or 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.440 whatever language is, spad, you know, getting through the eye 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.800 of the rich man getting into heaven is like getting 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.679 through a camel, getting through the eye of a needle. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.800 I bet delivered correctly in the right language. That's probably 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:27.440 a great joke. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.760 Yeah, yeah, he's definitely probably amazing. My technique great at 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.880 an act out right, I'm precuting projecting for sure. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.079 No microphones, Yeah, like five thousand people, no microphones. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:39.640 Let's see that. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.880 Yeah, mister Daily Show, let's see that right, right, right? 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.000 Right? Do you have? 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:45.920 Do you have? 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.520 Is your background very secular or were you brought up 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.360 quite I was brought up quite religious, really, Oh yeah, yeah, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.640 so because I know next to nothing about Islam really 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:55.920 really honestly. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.559 Yeah, for me though, you know, honestly, I felt from 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.160 a young age my bluetooth was on. Really yeah, I 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.560 kind of I did feel there's got to be something 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.720 more than what what I'm seeing here. Sure and surely 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.360 what's happening right here, this doesn't make a lot of 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.880 sense for me either, right, so, in a weird way, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.760 the unseen made more sense to me than what I 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.600 was seeing. Does that make sense? 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.559 Yeah, of course, I know it sounds a little weird. No, 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.880 it doesn't not to me, which should worry you more. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.280 But but yeah, but I think that that that makes 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.160 sense to me. I think the idea of seeking some 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.920 kind of I mean, it. 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.000 Started for me young as well. There's got to be 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:35.720 more to it than this. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.400 Yeah, For honestly, I think for me, when I was 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.520 a really little kid, I think America represented that I wonder, 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.679 you know, that it was a place where you know, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:49.040 there was more going on, just possibility, possibility and the 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:50.959 fact that they would you gotta remember, like I grew 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.000 up in Scotland in the nineteen sixties, right while America 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.720 was going to the Moon. I mean, oh interesting, right, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.720 we weren't getting a lot of information about the civil 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.560 rights marches and stuff, but we got a lot of 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:02.880 TV about going at the Moon. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.320 And I was like, oh my god. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.920 So so for you. Did you at that at a 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.680 young age? You felt I gotta I gotta go there? 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.880 Oh yeah, for sure, Yeah, I know it was the thing. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.040 I just just all the cool, every stuff, everything was 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.400 American and and the like. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:19.920 I am totally a. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.280 Product of American cultural imperially, no doubt about it. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:23.640 I am. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:29.840 I am Coca Cola branded ford More's victim of advertising. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:30.800 I'm happy to be it. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.719 But that's definitely well I am in. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.160 And it's when you know, when I project this onto 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.839 my children, they're less It's not I'm not saying they're 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.079 anti American right like that, but they're they're just they're 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.080 less enamored by the things I'm. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.680 In, the shiny stuff that is really Yeah. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.600 Yeah, I was taken in by a law and I 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.679 still am. I still am taking them by I like it. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.880 You know, is it weird if you when you're do 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.600 your kids ever go we should look a look at 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.880 euro up. Look how beautiful and you go that fucking 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:57.400 old place. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.560 Yeah, because Americans. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.480 Have the opposite they I love the instrument. I call 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.520 them the Instagram countries. Yeah, Paris is an Instagram country. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.560 Scotland yeah, yeah, So those countries to me, they're just 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.880 they're they're like whisper Castle Instagram country. Right, you know, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.880 lady Margaret, No, lady Margaret, you must like they're just 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.200 old period pieces and you go there with your you know, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.040 your boyfriend or girlfriend and take an Instagram photo. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.400 It's always it's almost like my wife says, that's about 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.480 rednecks in America as well. It's like poshe people in 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.040 Britain have the same names as American red necks. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.040 I mean you say, you know been adequ Cumba Batch, 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.240 that's lord. Yeah. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.160 And then you see that same name in America Bennydick, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:37.840 combo bag. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.319 You know, it's like hey Bendick. Yeah, it's like the 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:41.880 same people. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.320 Yeah, the hyphenated name thing Breton very posh in America, right, 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.079 do it Trampling, you know, it's it's kind of that's 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.240 a great bit, and you know, I think I might 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:58.760 work it up all right, working out. Hello, this is 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.400 Greig Ferguson and I want to let you know I 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.839 have a brand new stand up comedy special out now 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.040 on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy, and I would 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.240 be so happy if you checked it out. To watch 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.680 the special, just go to my YouTube channel at the 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.200 Craig Ferguson Show and is this right there? 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.800 Just click it and play it and it's free. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:19.800 I can't look. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.160 I'm not going to come around your house and show 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:22.480 you how to do it. If you can't do it, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.040 then you can't have it. But if you can figure 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:29.079 it out, it's yours. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:29.719 Now. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.280 You and I are part of a fairly exclusive club. Okay, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.040 talk to me, White House Correspondence. Oh that's you. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:43.559 Did it when twenty seventeen, this first year. Yeah, well 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.000 he wasn't there though. He wasn't there, of course he 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.760 didn't show up. Yeah, yeah he was actually, yeah, he 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.520 went to the year Seth Myers did it. He attended 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.800 as a guest, right, but he didn't. He wasn't just 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.800 there as a year I did it, but its two 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:56.400 thousand and eight. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.559 He was a guest. He think he was there, I'm 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.959 not sure, but okay, but he wasn't I didn't reference 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:03.920 in him in the act. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.120 Famously bad room, right or did you feel like wash? Yeah? Yeah? 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.480 Did the sound system work for you? No, it's just 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.640 a shitty as you would imagine. It's I mean, I 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.720 feel like they could get it bare. I mean, you 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.120 are at a Hilton in Washington, d C. And it 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.120 feels like it right, totally. The sound system was awful. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:21.560 I don't know if you know this about me, but 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.960 I have an accent apparently, which you know that was. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:25.760 A little tricky too. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.840 I mean it went okay, yeah, but. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.200 I felt like it was I felt like it was 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:32.880 like a dream. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.440 Yeah, you know, it did feel like a dream because 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.280 you're seeing famous people out there, but in weird kind 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.079 of yeah, because what you're seeing is you're You're like, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.199 there's there's Wolf Blitzer, right, and there's a man named 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.640 Wolf Blitzer, right, which is a very funny thing. That's right, Wolf. 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.680 There's a man named Wolfe Not everyone doesn't have a 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.640 problem with it. And and he kind of does look 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.360 like a wolf a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.160 and he's raw me. Yeah, he does. He does it 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.440 really maybe or maybe it does Yeah, who knows. We 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.920 can't confirm tonight, but they'll be like Wolf Blitzer and 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.040 then they'll be like the cast of Grey's Anatomy. So 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:05.880 it's like, you know what I mean, it's this weird, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.280 you know. Or it'll be like this person played president 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.280 on TV and then and then there's a real press 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.280 the actual chief of staff for the president is here. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.280 It's this it's a very strange. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.520 Who were the big politicians there when when you were there. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.119 Well, he famously did not want anyone from the administration 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.160 to be there, so then there were just other members 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.440 of Congress. So it became it became this whole like 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.280 kind of flashpoint who will show up, who will not 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:27.840 show up? 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.760 Right, So it became a politicized, politicized thing. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:32.440 Right. But to me, I thought that, I mean, that's 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.880 just great comedy fodder, it kind of because the conflict, 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.400 because it's all just tension. Yeah, you know, And I 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.400 think I don't know if you chatted with Colbert or 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.760 Seth Meyers, like a couple of the people who had 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.280 done it before. I had talked to yeah, and they 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.000 told me the room fucking sucks. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.480 It does fucking suck. I didn't talk to Stephen or 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.560 Seth about it. Yeah, I talked to Drew Carey and 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:56.480 Jay Leno about it. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.760 But you know, that's a generational things, like these guys 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:00.280 said on it. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.240 Before, they've done it before. Yeah yeah yeah, and it 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.640 is bad but so so. But but but actually, and 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.200 you know this once you once you know, because it's 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.840 all about expectation. Once you know. All right, so what 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.560 is the gig? So they go look at the casino gig? Yeah, okay, 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.240 I know what this is. Yeah. So when they all 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.440 told me, look, it's it's you are doing a hotel 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.560 ballroom gig. You've done a wedding year, you've done a 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.520 set at a barmit's fa you know what this is 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.680 you do And so that was the first note that 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.960 leveled my expectation. Then the second thing that Stephen told me, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.400 which was you're going to bomb in the room but 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.160 played a camera one you're playing to everyone now, And 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.600 that was my whole unlock. Did you bow in the room? 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.160 I don't think you bombed. I think I think I did, Okay, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.560 but when I worked it out at the cellar, it 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.160 certainly wasn't that right. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.720 But the sailor is like maybe the greatest yeah right. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.120 But but I'm working out of the cellar. But I'm 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.880 also doing these like very deep cut references. You know, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.880 I'm so and so from s NBC is here. And 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.160 at the ten o'clock crow, I was like, what the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.800 fuck are you? Dog? Are you really making a joke 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.320 about you know, the ten pm anchor on c you know, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.280 but yeah, I'm making a Don Lemon joke right now, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.360 you know. And so anyways, once I kind of leveled 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.280 that I just knew and you know this from from 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.480 Late Night, just played a camera one, kind of played 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.560 the room a little bit and it's for everybody at home. Yeah, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.120 and then just kind of stand in it. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:27.080 Who who did you run into? Who produced your your your? 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.880 I'm going to say Late Night? So because that's kind 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.600 of I feel like it is like it because for me, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.080 getting the right producer for these things is like, if 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.160 you get it wrong, you're you're never gonna do Yes, 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:40.720 it's never gonna work. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:45.040 I'm lucky, man. I I found early on, when I 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.160 was doing open mics and stuff, I found a really 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.640 great comedian friend of mine named Pashan Banker Ramana John. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.400 He became kind of a co writer, co producer. We 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.480 were do shit together and at the time, I didn't 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.960 know that would be kind of like my future collaborator. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.200 But we really were like two musicians working together. That's great, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.640 and it was so he knew my voice. He also 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.760 knew how to kind of control me editorially. He knew, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.560 you know, he's going off the rails a little bit, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.159 but let him and then all right, we'll get to 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.200 the idea here. He also helped me clarify a lot. Okay, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:24.720 what are you trying to say here? Right? 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.800 I had great producers, by the guy Pierre Le Sally, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.159 who was my guy. And Pierre used to say to me, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.360 especially about jokes. He'd say, is it worth it? 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:35.639 You know? 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:36.320 Interesting? 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.639 And I would you know, some days, some days it 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:40.280 was worth it. 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:41.360 You know, some days it. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:42.879 Was worth you know, it was going to be trouble, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.439 but the joke was worth it. And some days you go, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.000 you know, this joke, it's okay. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.639 Is it true? You just use bullet points for your 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:50.440 monolog Is it true? 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:50.840 Yeah? 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.800 That's incredible. It got that way. I mean what happened 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.720 was it was a process. Well you know, this is 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.440 like you turn them and there's everybody from the corporate 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.639 sure is there, and they want it to be a 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.680 certain way, and you have long conversations about the set, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.320 like anyone gives a fuck. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.760 Although this is the nicest set, I think, I know 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.600 this is this is amazing, but this is the exception. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:12.280 This is not the rule. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.800 Yeah, this is true. And actually, and no one ever 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.560 talked to me about this. Say, I just turned up 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.119 and I was like, this is this is great? 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:20.600 Anyway. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.080 You have these long conversations with corporate a bit sat 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.480 and then they would write because I was doing a 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:27.800 broadcast late night show. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.720 Yeah, and nobody knew who I was, you know, I. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.320 Was just like I had won some It was like 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.040 I want a competition, so they I came in and 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.159 they had all these writers who were like you know 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.159 all but like cigars and the. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.159 Typewriters, and they got it. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.680 They would write me jokes like, hey, you guys see 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.520 the playoffs and like I didn't even know where the 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:48.320 fucking playoffs where. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:49.560 I don't know what they're talking about. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.199 But I would walk out and I do this with 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.280 my time and go he did you guys see the playoffs? 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.639 And everyone's like, the fucking you're not connecting with this, 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.119 And I would make fun of me doing that, and 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.560 the meme make in fun of me trying to be 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:06.120 a la became the show. Yes, but I think that 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.359 with these show as the thing is with these did. 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.560 You know there was two things I just got to 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.000 tell you this because we're finally getting a chance to 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.520 hang in real life. There was two things that I 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.880 think you did that were so amazing that I think 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:24.280 I didn't realize were brilliant tools that you should always, always, 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.040 always keep, no matter what. Number one thing that I 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.880 love that you did, which is you subverted all expectation 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.120 by acknowledging that nobody knew who the fuck you were 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.280 and where you were in at night. You know, it's 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.600 twelve thirty five am. You know you acknowledged My wife 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.639 didn't even know there was a show after left. She 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.080 didn't even know what I'm saying. Yeah, I got the 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:46.720 show out the left. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:47.480 Yeah, I didn't know. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.400 The worst one. But but but actually playing low status 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.600 is the thing that is the most countercultural thing you 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.119 can do. So when people go, like comedians or rock stars, 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.080 I go, no, no, we've lost don't do that, don't 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.560 do that, don't do that right now, it's actually one 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:01.480 of the worst things you can do. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:03.399 It's setting yourself up for me, Yeah. 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.199 There's a lot of problems. So that so that was 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:07.960 number one, number one, and then number two that I 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:14.439 realized what was so brilliant is just meet the moment 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.399 where it is. And so even you doing little things 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.919 where you would come up to the camera and like 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.080 tap the lens and you're just fucking with the form 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.359 to let people know, hey, I'm a person, I'm really here, 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.400 I'm in a studio. That joke didn't work, or hey 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.440 are you are you home? Like all of that breaking 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:36.639 the form gave you this real liberation which was super 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.800 inspiring for me. I think I thank you and I 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.720 think it was and I try to remind myself still 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.280 to this day that you both you And there's this 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.119 other comedian that you should I don't know if you've 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:46.080 met Rory Scovell. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.359 Oh I knew exactly who you're talking about. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.760 Yes he's a brilliant comment, Yes he is, and he 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:53.840 is a reminder of this is a live art form. 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.440 You know this, right, Yeah, we're actually just performing live 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.879 on stage. So perform live and be be aware of 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:01.760 a Okay, this is a when a table and we're 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:02.120 in this. 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.880 There was such so many troubled people because it actually 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.040 and you try. You ever read these surveys and say 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.800 the thing people are most frightened off is public speaking. 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.359 I'm like, then, I have no idea what that must 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.720 be like, because I would sleep on a stage. The 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.840 most comfortable I get is getting up on a stage. No, 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.760 Evan's all right that? Or you know at home, you know, 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.440 under a blanket. These are the two happy pole Those 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:30.760 are two. 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:31.720 That's it. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.720 It's at home under a blanket or that, because I 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:38.160 think that you know, you know what the rules are. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:39.280 At least I do. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:44.359 You know it's like be be funny or or it's over. 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.399 Did you when you started out? What a weird survival mechanism? 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.560 Though it is a weird thing because we still have 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:57.199 this need to do it. Before we started recording, we 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.239 were talking about how the pandemic I realized now being 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.399 able to do comedy, I thought it was my only 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.840 discernible skill set and ability to make money. That's what 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:09.040 I thought, Okay, I have to do this because I 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:10.480 got fired from every other job that I've had in 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.520 my life, so you better be good at this. But 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.520 I actually, because of the pandemic and not being able 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.800 to perform during the pandemic. I go, I actually need 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.800 it for my own sanity, and I think I'm actually 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.520 going to do this until I die. 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:25.080 Yeah, for better or for worse. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.040 That's when you're a real comic. 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:32.000 There was a time I think probably it still exists 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.679 a little bit. But there was a time, certainly in 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.680 like the eighties and nineties, when people were only comedians 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:39.560 to get a sitcom, you know, a lot of people 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.480 there was a huge comedy but like now, in the 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:43.760 nineteen eighties, you had your. 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.320 Drew Carry moment right exactly all that. But Drew was 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:46.960 one of those guys. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.080 I mean, Drew's a stand up, but once you goes showed, 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.200 that was his thing, you know, is to get the 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.640 Drew Carry show. 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:55.240 He's a good stand up. 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.800 He's actually a really good standard, really fu but he 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.560 I don't think he really does it anymore. Like I 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.199 can't envisage your life. People still say to me, no, 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.120 like you still do stand up. Like it's like going 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.000 to Eric Clapton. You you still play the guitar. 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.560 That's wrong with you? You can have your own orchestra. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.840 Yeah, but I played the guitar. That's what you know. 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.280 But it's also like, and I didn't realize this, and 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:18.919 I don't know if it was like this in the nineties, 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.080 but showbiz and I think this is old the time. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:26.679 It's such a fickle, not real thing. And so to me, 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.040 I've been now doing it twenty years. It to me, 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.840 stand up to me is the cheap code. Everything is 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.960 the only thing I feel in control of mineus the 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.359 pandemic where it was taken away. Yeah, it was everybody, 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.160 but it's the only thing that I go, like, I'm 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:44.240 telling you I can do this. 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.359 Let me tell you a true story. When I got 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.560 I was doing the Drew Carey Show. So I did 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.360 that until early two thousands. Yeah, and when I got 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.560 the Late Night Show from doing some kind of thing, 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.840 I hadn't done stand up for about ten years. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:01.840 I'd been doing independent movies. 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:06.200 I'd been doing you know things, and you know't. 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:06.439 Have the time to do it, or you didn't want to. 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.919 Just kind of moved away from it. Maybe I just didn't. 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:11.359 It's not that I didn't need it. 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:11.680 I didn't. 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.040 I didn't think about it. 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:14.240 Oh interesting, And. 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.760 Then you know, I was writing movie, I'd writing deal 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.800 at Paramount, and I was writing movies and I was 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.639 making movies and I was doing I was working in 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:25.200 movies and TV and the when I got the job 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:32.159 in Late Night, I realized that CBS would First of all, 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.880 they owned me for everything. I couldn't make a television 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.920 appearance or a movie appearance or anything without their permission. 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.600 That was part of the contract. And I knew they 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.879 they didn't ownny for live performance. And I knew that 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.040 if I screwed up, they'd cut my throat and dumped 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:47.680 me in the East River. 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.320 Really even thinking about it, it wouldn't be a thing. 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.480 Yeah, But I knew that if I was going to 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.679 have any autonomy, because I figured this show might make 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.520 me more famous than I had been, if I was 0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:59.280 going to have any autonomy, I would have to go 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.920 to stand up that it was the only place where 0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:04.800 I would exist as me. And that's when I went 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:06.800 back into it again. I started when I got the 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.920 Late Night show, I was, you know, I started doing 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.399 you know, the chuckle huts and the yuck yucks and 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.000 all that back into it again on the weekends. 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.040 You do yep, yep, holy shit. 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.879 Yeah, because and I actually had people say to me, 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.840 why are you doing this club? You have a TV 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:22.679 show where the Canadians in this club won't to be 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:26.280 on your TV show, Like, yeah, but I I need it. 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.000 I need it, you know. And and actually at the 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.040 time I really did need it. I needed the money too. 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:32.879 They weren't paying me anything. I was like, you know, 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.919 oh shit, you eventually, as you know, but when you 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:41.200 start out, yeah, right, But I wanted to talk to 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:46.679 you about how you came to it, because you correct 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:47.200 me if I'm wrong. 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.400 But my my, my read of you is that. 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:53.080 You saw comedy that you liked and that's what pulled you. 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:54.119 Yes, it was. 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:58.480 It wasn't just the kind of survival school ground bully thing. 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.280 It was like it was you saw a community that's 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.800 it was it Chris. Chris was the one, and it 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:08.200 was the oh that's allowed, Oh you can do that. 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:09.000 Yeah. 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.359 So what I mean by that is like, at the time, 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.520 I was bagging groceries at a grocery store chain called Safeway. 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:22.479 I know the store, Okay, depending on where I got 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:27.240 the Safe Way off Mace Boulevard Parent Companies Vonds. But yeah, 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.080 depending on where I go and I'm doing stand up, 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.240 I'll I'll change it to Kroger's or or whatever. But 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.960 I was as a courtesy clerk at h that safeway, 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:36.520 which was very funny by the way they call it 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:41.720 courtesy clerk. I'm just bagging. I'm bagging liketes clerk. Yeah, sure, sure, 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:46.399 it sounds like a character. I'm in waste receptical management. Oh, 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.359 got it all right, so your garbage manage, right, So, 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.840 uh so I'm I'm bagging grocery. But anyways, I did that, 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.720 and then I was selling printers at Office Max. And 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.239 if you've worked in corporate America, if you if you've 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.400 had any job in corporate America, there is this decorum 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.000 that really is like jail. It really is like prison. 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:07.840 And so it was a holdover of what I had 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.800 to do in school and kind of of hi, how 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.919 are you. There's you know, the niceties of life, and yeah, 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:18.080 you can't you can't talk back to a superior that's 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.840 your manager. You can't say it, you know. So I 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.600 remember being in college and this is where kind of 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:26.520 destiny and kiss all these things are meeting at the 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:30.119 same time. High speed Internet and kind of napster LimeWire, 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:34.400 illegal torrents the Internet. Now, other people would download things illegally. 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.520 I would never do that because downloading. That's illegal and 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.960 that's stealing, right that. Yeah, and that's a criminal offense, 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.560 that's right. We do not endorsement, and we don't do that. Yeah, 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.920 the kid super Studio never Never, And then on every 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.440 DVD when it says the FBI we're watching it, Hey, 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:50.080 they're watching you. 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.520 So don't you dare two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.040 five years in jail? 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.040 Yeah, yeah, just for you know, just for copying mission 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.280 to Yeah, yeah, have you seen? Not even like right, 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:06.359 so why it's not worth the it's not worth the fete. Yeah, 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:12.240 it's a great movie. So I'm backing groceries and I'm 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.000 I'm in college and I'm a buddy of mine shows 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.639 me Chris Rock's Never Scared and it's a great special race. 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:19.760 It's a phenomenal special. 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:20.400 He's a great comic. 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.600 He's a great comic. But but what he was talking 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.160 about were all the things that would get you either 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:32.720 fired or sent to HR politics, war, George W. Bush, sex, relationships. 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.120 These are all like just taboo things you cannot say. 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:41.520 And yeah, man, he he just was saying it, and 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.560 I I go that that to me is what I 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:47.080 want to do. That I feel all those things. I 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.920 say all those things with my friends. I want to 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.840 do that. I gotta do that. How do I do that? 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.640 And I just started googling. I went on google dot com. 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.200 How do you did you start? Did you literally started 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.200 just going to open mic? You know at the Sacramento 0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.240 Punchline that's amazing. Yeah, and just started there. 0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.600 So like, what's your first open mic? Like I mean, 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.160 because I I yeah. 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.120 So so long did you do? You only get to 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.240 do three minutes or five minutes? It's crazy, So I 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:16.200 think that long to say good eat? Yeah, I had 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.560 three jokes. I think the joke was I was living 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.320 at home at the time, and this dates me. It 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.400 was a joke about having landlines and like talking to 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.720 a girl on the phone, right, And then you know, 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:28.720 I think the jokes was something, why are you breathing 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:30.480 so heavy? And it's like you're a dad, hang up, 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:37.320 that's the Yeah, I'm eighteen years old, right, So it 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.160 was like, you know, so it was just a you know, 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.840 dad breaths heavy. You know, Okay, Rebecca, you know you 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.400 think so. So this is like a stupid, stupid joke, 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:49.280 but I remember it. It kind of connected and once 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:49.760 you get that. 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:50.720 Yeah, that hit. 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:52.920 Do you know it's the weird thing. Do you remember 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.479 the first time you died on the stage? 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:57.640 Yeah? I mean that was probably maybe the second or 0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:59.720 third set. Yeah, but the first So did your first 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:01.760 sec so good? The first one went good for me? 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.200 I got I got just enough, Yeah, I got just enough. 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.200 Yeah, little bit of the juice like ill come back. 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.800 But you know what I think is weird is that 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:14.160 because I remember the first time. 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.200 I died, which was spectacular. 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:18.960 I feel like you're very good at bombing. 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.720 Oh I'm fabulous at it. No one can be ship 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.800 like me. That's I love that. But I remember how 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.880 how I mean it was bad, Like the audience were chanting. 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:30.640 It was, oh it was. 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:31.120 It was. 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.200 It was a punk rock festival in London and I 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.880 was going on between the bands. You ever had that 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:40.880 do some comedy in the band? So I go on 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.360 between I don't know the spectation. 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.240 By the way, have you had musician musician friends that 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.560 ask to ask you to do fucking Lars from Metallic? 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.000 I said to me, Hey, do you want to open 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.280 for us? I'm like, you know your fucking mind? Yeah, 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:52.040 this is selfish. 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:56.120 You should tell me what do you want? 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.720 Me to do it. I love you. They have no 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:03.160 desire to see you love you. Yeah, I'm not even there. 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:05.560 Yeah Lawns from Metallica asking you to do that. That's 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.960 the destination wedding. That's how dare you beat the self? 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:09.280 Right? 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.800 Right right, It's not gonna happen anyway. 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:12.560 Yeah. 0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.120 So I'm at the between the bands, and I thought 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:17.080 i'd before I was the kid. 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.200 I was a kid about eighteen. Yeah, I'm wearing a 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:20.400 kilt because I thought that. 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:21.480 Would be funny, amazing. 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.960 Yeah, but I was so frightened that my knees were shaken. 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:28.200 And it was all these cockney punks in the front 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.240 row and they're likes, he's a nook and it's a 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.320 nooking and they started to try the wh audience shouting it's. 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:38.720 A knocking hiss, a knocking boot. And I came off stage. 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:42.560 After like literally got bood off stage, and I remember 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:43.920 it clear as the fucking bell. 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.400 I go backstage and win. I gotta do that again, 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.120 Like I don't know what all pathology ex. 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:54.920 Did you fight growing up? Were you a fighter? Did 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.560 you ever get into fist fighting? Yes, okay, so I've 0:31:58.120 --> 0:31:59.959 been in two or three fights, but I didn't know 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.360 I was in the fight, right I got hit by 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:04.320 I go hey, like, so I didn't know I was 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.440 in the fight. But I have friends that were fighters, 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:10.239 that would actually fight and tussled with young men, and 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.959 they told me that the high of like you hit, 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.880 or you when you get hit and then you kind 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.720 of I've never felt that, but I have felt the 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.760 rush of anything could happen. 0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:27.040 And well that's the truth about fight, whether it's when, 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.080 whether it's a war between superpowers or two guys in 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:30.360 the bar. 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.160 Once it starts, and anyone. 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:35.080 Who knows violence will tell you this, once it starts, 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.360 you don't really know where it's gonna go. Right Yeah, 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.400 people like to, you know, say well we know this 0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.440 is going to be over by Christmas. 0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:44.320 I was going to go. 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.240 And I I I am terrified of violence. I hate it. 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.080 And I've been involved in a couple of times, you know, 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:53.680 when I was a young man and I and you 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:55.760 never used so I would a gun. 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.280 No, I didn't see it as a second amendic, but you 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.680 never used it as a as a deflection. I would 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.360 always sometimes be I played basketball a lot growing up, 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.360 and I remember I had I had glasses, I got Lasik, 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:09.840 But I remember I was thinking about this. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:11.920 I would also use comedy as a way to get 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.400 out of Sure. I don't always work though, that's the problem. 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.480 I remember it would work though a couple of times 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.760 with me, Like it would be these like guys would 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:21.960 go out for a rebound and use their elbows. I 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.400 had these big glasses like, whoa easy on the money maker, 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.800 you know, and they kind of they kind of start 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:29.080 laughing self deprecation. 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's a that's a good trick 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.840 I've seen people use in Hollywood as well. 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:36.920 Is that false beta move? 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.000 You know when you get some studio executive and you go, yeah, 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.640 it's kind of like it's an interesting game of chess 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:52.640 with feeling, especially around like obvious, self unaware alphas. 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.080 Correct, that's kind of fun to play that game. 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.040 Yeah, And I didn't realize at the time. It's also 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.320 you know, us as comics were very good at dialing 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:08.239 in and assessing what what are we really doing here? 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:13.440 You know, what's actually going on, and so that I 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:15.320 think I didn't realize at the time. These were little 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:19.040 things that I was doing from a young age. Do 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:20.640 you see do you see your kids. 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:24.240 I mean, because the definitely a moment in my life 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.400 that changed kind of everything's been a couple of them, 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:30.319 but having becoming a father is like it's a real 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:31.719 kind of story. 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.680 It's a real kind of like everything changes. 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:35.560 How old are your kids? 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.240 I have a twenty four year old on a fourteen 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.239 year old. So Scottish people we were kind of like, 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.640 you know, the big orchids in the jungle. Every ten years, 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:49.680 everything gets pregnant. That's how Scottish people make. That's how 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:50.200 it's done. 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.239 So every ten years, this is who you are. 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.880 You're sitting there. Oh gosh, you're pregnant, like an eclipse 0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:59.200 of yeah, exactly, so right, you can tell it's coming 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.359 and you can get out of the way. But but yeah, 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.120 my so twenty thirty seven you should expect something again. 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.520 Yeah, I think that's when it's going to run round again. 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.360 Well I don't know. If the that and left, I 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:10.759 think now at this point it would just be. 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:14.120 Like nothing. 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.320 Maybe the table gets you know, has a period. 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.799 Sure, so but having the kids was something that I 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:23.800 think all of my the way that I looked at it, 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:25.360 especially as they got a little little to run a bit. 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.239 When your kids are actually when they. 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:33.080 Start kind of becoming much more themselves. You know, there's 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.120 not just this little slug. You have to kind of 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.080 wipe and move and wipe, and it's like there's more. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.439 Stuff going on, wiping butts and feed Yeah, my god, 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:41.400 how many. 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:43.680 Shoes have you tied so far this year? 0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.319 It's like, my god, my god, these fucking idiots can't 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:47.840 tie the shoes. 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:52.560 I suppose kids have loafers, but I'm also shocked. It's 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.880 also crazy, how win did I get tying the shoes 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.280 where I'm like, I'm like, why am I panting tying 0:35:58.280 --> 0:35:59.560 a pair of Congress Hall stars? 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.520 Well, I mean that I feel like it's a deep 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.399 cut corn verse on a child. 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:06.719 That's a lot are you talking about on you on 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:07.600 the child? Both? 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.960 Yeah, Because I was like, this is my my fitness test? 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:11.239 Is this? 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:13.440 If I don't get out of breath tying my shoes, 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:14.480 I'm good. 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.239 Yeah, I don't even check my game. 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:20.600 If I can come out on toils, all right, everything's fine, 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:21.120 it's okay. 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:24.880 Yeah. I mean, look, I think the cool thing about 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.000 kids and I think Mulaney was talking about this, but 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.480 I love the way he articulated. This was when he 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.839 was holding his first he was. He goes, oh, there 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.480 you are. I've been looking for you, and I do 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.520 get I got that feeling with them of like, oh 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:42.279 I didn't I didn't have to do all these other 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.840 things for and love and yes and all that stuff. 0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:47.719 Oh there, it's it's it's here. 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.759 If there is an amount of service now involved in 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:55.399 your life that you didn't have before, yeah. 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.720 That's what I feel like. That's something really changes. 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.920 And I think that the idea, you know, I used 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.279 to like and like every young man, I was like, 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:04.600 I'm not going to have kids. 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.360 Yeah, and then kids. I was like, I can't believe 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.960 I waited so long to kids. It seems strange to me. 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.520 But you know, I have a lot of friends that 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.720 don't have children, and you know, I like, I respect 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:23.000 everybody's choice. But and but one thing that was really 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:27.719 powerful for me as just as a performer was I 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:35.080 remember holding my daughter and thinking about all the times 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.759 I had felt as a child being abandoned even as 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.719 an adult. I called so and so, they didn't call back. 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.120 I reached out for so and so. They never texted back. 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.399 And that pain you sometimes feel of like oh man, 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.440 I needed you there and you didn't really you know, 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.879 or you were you were in a different place and 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.319 that extending of an olive branch and when you don't 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.000 get it back and guys, we hide it really well. 0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.120 But I remember holding her and my son went he 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.200 was born and being like, I'll be I can be 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.279 the person that texts you back, like I'll be that 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.520 for you. Yeahs, And that's kind of beautiful. 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:11.879 Yeah, of like you experienced a law of that when 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:13.440 you were a kid. Did you feel abandoned when you 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:14.160 were little. 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.279 As you know, as immigrants were in transit, so you know, 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.279 become my mom's doing a residency, so there was a 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.080 lot of stuff that was in your moment New York, 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:26.800 and then she was doing a residency in Stockton, and 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.799 then you know, she came to Davis and then so 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.960 there was a lot of stuff that was in you know. 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.240 The immigrant story is almost like a mini house renovation 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.600 of like you're never fully unpacked and. 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:42.160 You know, is the kitchen done? Is it is kind 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:43.879 of My kids have been through that as well. I mean, 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.080 you've had like half a dozen houses in the last 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:46.480 ten years. 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:47.839 Yeah, so you're just kind of. 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.640 It becomes kind of a habit Yeah. My wife got 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.560 mad at me about it. She's like, we're not moving 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.279 a yet. Yeah, because we moved around a lot. And 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.840 I think it does. I think because she's not an emigrant, 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.680 but she's the child, the grandchild, and so there is 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.839 that kind of understanding of it. Yeah, it's it's an 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:05.359 odd thing. 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.480 So that I think maybe that was my joy is 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.520 you can count on me, and I don't know. I 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.640 can't do the balance sheet. I don't have the Excel 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.719 spreadsheet for the rest of the world, but I can 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.399 be that for you, and maybe that's enough. 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:28.719 I think that's I mean, I think it is. You know, 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.439 Jim gaffickin right of course, right. So I was talking 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.799 to Gen years ago and I thought I was talking 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:38.600 to him about comedic style, and he was talking about he, 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:42.400 you know, Jem works clean like famously so any like 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.480 he causes like a normal human when he's off stage, 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.200 but he works clean and he makes it, you know, 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:49.960 a family friendly show. 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.399 And I was like, I'm intrigued by that, and. 0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.640 He said I did it at first to see if 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.920 I could do it, and then it became a stylistic choice. 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:00.839 I I liked it. 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:02.880 I kind of liked doing it that way and he 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.239 and he does it and he I mean, he's fantastic. 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:08.960 Yeah yeah, and I may when I had that conversation 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.680 with him, I thought, so I was doing Late Night 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.479 at the time, and and late night because you're working 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.080 every day. Politics was every day, you know, the politics 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:17.840 is the thing. You know, every day there's gonna be. 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:18.640 Something you can talk about. 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:19.480 You talk about it. 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:21.480 But it was just at the time, just as I 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.719 was getting out of Late Night, it started to go 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:24.320 on fire. 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:28.160 I mean it really became polarizing and people really got 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:28.960 upset about Yeah. 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:33.800 It was like war in Iraq, right, warrantar Oh jeez. 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.959 So so as I'm coming out of it, I said, 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.920 well in stand up now this is rounder twenty sixteen, 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:42.600 I was like, I'm not going to do any more 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.000 politics ever. Ever, I'm never going to talk about it, 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.120 and I don't and I still don't. And what's interesting 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:51.800 because I know that you don't try away from that 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:52.200 all you. 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:56.880 Were happy to run right at it totally. It's interesting 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:57.200 to me. 0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:02.360 Because I wonder how it feels, do you Because I 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.640 used to get hit with this in when I was 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.719 doing Lena If, I did an anti Republican joke, I'd 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:11.480 have to find an anti democratic joke to balance it out, 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.480 Like standards in practice would say to me, oh, wow, 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:18.520 you have to balance got it, got it, And so 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:22.440 it became a thing. I don't think that happens anymore. 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.160 I don't think they would say to you, no, I 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:28.120 have to do that. Do you do you feel like 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:32.200 it's is it something that helps or hinders or just 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:35.880 unavoidable because you're a political animal and you yeah. 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:40.880 For me, it's almost like what I love about the 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:45.520 form is if you have friends at journal it's the 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.600 same thing. Why they encourage long form writing is sometimes 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:53.520 I'll write to myself what is actually happening in my head, 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:58.040 and it helps me figure out what's happening, and I'll 0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.360 just keep writing until if that, to me is the 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.959 point of the bit. It's to actually what the fuck 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.640 do I actually believe? And whether the position is contrarian 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:11.239 or not, just what what do you actually think? Or 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.719 it's ah, this is another style of joke you can do, 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:16.920 which is, oh, this is the way it is. What 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.400 if they did it like this? Right? Can you imagine 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.960 if they did it this way? And it's just now 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.239 you're painting a picture in a new way. So to me, 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.319 that's the whole thing of how can I misdirect and 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.120 how can I solve this little puzzles? To me, how 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:32.240 I solve this little puzzle. 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:34.719 But what I think is quite interesting about it is 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.759 that right now is if you do the the if 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:42.399 one reads the room, it's like there's you know, say 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:43.800 I went into a room and it was a bunch 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.440 of Glasgow Range of supporters and a bunch of Glasgow 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:48.960 Celtic supporters right be like, I'm. 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.120 Probably not going to talk about soccer today, you. 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.400 Know, And I feel a little bit like that, But 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.640 you don't get excited at the prospect of going. Let 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:58.799 me see how much I can get away with let 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:02.080 me see for sure. But but I. 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:06.920 I'm kind of like, I'm not sure that my lane is. 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:11.879 So I'm like, you know what, hey, what about those. 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.680 The wheels on cars or something? 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.439 You know, Like I feel like, not that I've done 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.400 many wheel things, but the yeah. 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:21.800 You got twenty minutes on wheels. 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:22.839 I wish I did. 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.040 The The idea I think for me is I just 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:29.120 became more personal. I became more anecdotal, I became more 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:30.600 I went that way. 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.200 Yeah, and I actually liked it. 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.239 I found that Oh look, I mean like I have 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:41.120 reserves of uh pain and sadness and and upset. I 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.000 feel like I'm the Saudi Arabia of unhappiness, you know 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:44.399 what I mean? 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.840 Like I have so much fucking oh oil reserves. Normal 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.359 people don't understand just how much you're having a ram 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.239 Coo level of sadness, right exactly. I keep going and 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.919 keep going and never run, never run on and look 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.719 at gold of sadness, and I think that the I 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:03.640 want wonder if if it do you think it affects 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:07.319 your Yeah, I mean it's bound to affect how you 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.680 appear in the world. Does it bother you? 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:09.799 No? 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.640 Man? You know really, what I've come to come to 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:18.279 terms with and the reason why I love putting out 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:20.640 working on a new hour and putting out a special 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:27.279 is almost like Wimbledon or tennis. It's like, let me 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.960 just control the parameters of the game. Okay. And I'm 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:32.520 sure you maybe have this with your kids, which is 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.560 there's social media and then there's this and the so so. 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:39.680 Now you're playing decentralized warfare so o wit so so 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.200 we're in a ditch. We're fighting fucking pre world War 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.520 one style, and then now we're also doing drone drone warfare. 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.560 It's like, I want to pick the parameters. And so 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.400 what I love about the stage is there is a 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:56.080 very to the best of my ability, we've set the stage, 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.560 We've set the parameters of what this is. And I 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:01.960 like that, and I hope I can keep it that way. 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:03.759 And I'm sure you had this with film. Film is 0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:08.120 a different medium. Yes, you know, you can be a 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.040 piece of shit, you can be shittier, you can be 0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:15.520 you can be an archetype of a character. Stand up 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.680 it's a different thing. They think they're seeing Craig and 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:20.719 they're seeing the workings of Craig. And so I love just. 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.799 You are doing when you're doing a stand up are 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.080 you Is that like is who's is that Hassan? 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:27.279 Or is that is that like? 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.960 Uh, stage Hassan is different from real side. 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:32.319 I think it's a little bit of both. Yeah, I 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.319 think it's a little it's a little bit of both. Yeah, 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.279 And that's what I love. I mean, the whole form 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.359 is joking, not joking. Yeah, I'm joking joking. I'm sorry, 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:39.880 I'm sorry. 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.319 Yeah, I think that's true. I mean it's but let 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:43.920 me just say this. 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:46.200 This, This is the problem is that I think Americans, 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.359 and this is why when people talk about they have 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:54.759 a very difficult time understanding paradox. Indians we understand the 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.799 world as paradox. You go to India, I mean it's 0:45:57.840 --> 0:45:59.839 it's literally the movie everything everywhere, all at once. 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:00.360 People. 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.440 You go to a street in Deli, someone's being. 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.520 My favorite movie times you've seen are are of course, 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.560 that's incredible, ratest, it's incredible movie. 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:09.720 Un fucking believable movie. 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:11.239 Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't have wrote it up, but. 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:13.879 I just I'm see. 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:15.560 When I watched that movie, I was like, man, it's 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:17.880 much harder to be a movie star in India than 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:19.160 it is. 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.440 These guys are doing. 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:27.040 Things, acting and being really good and shouting like fuck. 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:28.680 Me, yeah you have to do it, you have to 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.280 be everything. You a superhero. Yeah. It's it's un unbelievable, 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.600 unbelievable what these guys are doing. Yeah. And so what's 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.279 interesting though, is that even like life in India, it is, 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.680 it is, it has so many multitudes and there's so 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.800 much chaos. Yeah, you understand that there are things that 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:51.160 are paradoxical. America is very much about well, we have 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:53.200 to solve a parent and so you can't solve a paradox. 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:55.239 You have to you have to just embrace it. Do 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:56.359 you do you understand what I'm saying. 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.359 I do, And I feel that what's quite interesting about 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.759 it as well is that and you make an interesting 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.920 observation about Americans as an American, Yes, And I do 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:07.239 that too. 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.640 I'll sometimes say about Americans like, well, I'm a fucking American. 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:10.719 You know. 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.480 Donald Trump is an American, and that's imagine an American. Yeah, 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:19.000 And like I feel like here it's much harder too 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:25.680 to figure out who you're going to upset, or it 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.000 used to be. I think now I think the truth 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:31.360 is you're pretty much going to upset everybody at some point. 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.520 The trick is to not do them all at the 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:34.120 same time. 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.200 You know, it's like I don't you don't set off 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.640 all the landlin Like, It's like it is kind of 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.400 an interesting thing because when I when I made a 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:46.040 decision not to do politics, it was. 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:50.400 My friends who were on the left assumed that I 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.120 had moved to the right. Oh interesting, And my friends 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.960 who are on the right assumed I was on the 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.080 right and just wasn't talking and it was really interesting. 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.680 It was like, but I'm not talking about it, but 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:03.200 they make a decision about it. 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:05.879 But is it also like the older I get too, 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:10.560 which is I'm not here to also just talk about 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:14.560 the day to day cartoon characters that take up the headlines, right, 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.959 and you know this with the Late Night Show every 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.080 day those characters change. Take out Dick Cheney, put in 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.000 Stephen Miller. Yea, these are just characters. 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.120 I have to say that one of the greatest days 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.680 in the history on the joke, right, and Dick Cheney's 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.320 lawyer get showed in the face. Nobody died, everybody's happy. 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.600 It's a great joke. Dad, Oh my god. It's like 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.360 you hardly had to go to work that day. And 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.840 duck hunting is very funny. Dug dug hunting. It's like 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:42.759 everything you got. 0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:43.720 Cheney in a hat. 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.799 Everything would be you know, it should be that way 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:48.160 every day, yes, but it's not. 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.320 Of course, then that would be like you know, Christmas 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:50.759 every days. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.000 But almost like any clips, like when a couple a 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.560 couple days ago when Elon and Trump were Oh it 0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:59.920 was great, the girls were fighting. What a fun day that, 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:01.160 you know what, it was interesting. 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.680 I remember when that when they go together, I was like, 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:09.480 this has all the success of Brangelina written, but I 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:09.960 feel like. 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.520 That was right and something h And then in that case, 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:13.680 you just kind of sit back and. 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.360 Let let it app let it ste yeah, yeah. 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:18.360 And then then let let it kind of let the 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.000 rice cooker explode and that's fun to but yeah, but 0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:26.040 the older I've gotten is also I recognize the there's 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.279 a demand from the audience to go help help me 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.480 put this in perspective. I'm sure they were asking. 0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:33.360 That comes to me from perspective, But no, I think that. 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:36.120 I think I'm just like, you know, a sad clown 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:36.920 in the corner. 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:41.359 Right, well, what is Greig? But nobody nobo think people 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.480 like you look for your wisdom and you're you're you're wit. 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:45.920 But the older I've gotten I've also realized is like 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:51.160 there is there's such rich stuff to mine from just 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:51.920 life itself. 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:55.279 Yeah, for sure, and that and those subjects can be 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:59.440 and the aging process a very odd way, yes, very 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:00.480 strange for everybody. 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:00.719 It is. 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.000 It's different for everybody and all that, but it's the 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:05.520 same for everybody. It's kind of perfect for that. 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.560 Yeah. And then and then you can kind of slide 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:12.439 and vacillate into other random stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:14.960 One of the things I thought, but the comedy, but 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.640 the politics thing was that if I do politics, people 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.080 are going to stop hearing me. You know, I'm going 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.440 to stop getting jokes to people because they're only going 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:24.040 to hear the one that made them angry. And then 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.960 they stopped less sure and that, and then it took 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:29.000 me back to that what Peter la Sally said to 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.680 me in Late Night, which was, this is the joke 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:32.040 worth it? 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:33.920 You know? Yeah? Is it? You know? 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.680 And sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. And that's 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:40.720 that's really what I think. Talk to me about your podcast, 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:42.120 what you're doing in your podcast? 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:49.960 Oh man? So the podcast is, uh, it's called Hassemanaj 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:54.520 doesn't know. But when when my Netflix show stopped, all 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.719 these people that I would end up interviewing would still 0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.680 call right, I want to do Hey, I want you 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.919 to interview Mammy. I want you to so I get 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:11.359 like governors or you know, members of Senate being let's 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.640 talk can you know, can we do a can we 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:14.320 talk about this? 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:14.840 So? 0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:17.880 I thought this is very unique where it's it's very 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:21.120 strange to be d m'd by like the Secretary of 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:25.320 the Treasury, who you are? Yeah, yeah, Tomedian to be like, 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:27.799 I'm on their social team. 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:28.239 Do you want? 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:30.239 So I was like, what what do I do with this? 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:33.040 Can you get on the phone let's chat? And so 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:34.480 I said, all right, let me let me just have 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.400 the conversation where I can basically be I'm basically a 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:39.360 stand in for the public. 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:41.520 I just get to ask me the questions. 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:43.640 Yeah, this is this is how I think I feel 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:45.840 about this. I clearly don't know everything there is to 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:47.520 know about the subject, but look, let me just be 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:49.200 a stand in for the public and just kind of 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:50.799 ask you how we feel. 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:54.120 It's an interesting thing. I I whenever it's very rare 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:55.880 for me. You've done a lot more or less than 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:59.480 I have. But I whenever I've interviewed politicians, I find 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:03.600 myself a little frustrated. Yeah. Sure, I feel like because 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.520 a part of their media training, Yeah, which is right 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:09.759 there they kind of bristles with me. 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:12.279 But the media training is they're always told to stay 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:12.960 on message. 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:14.520 Sure, yeah, like I don't. 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:16.719 I don't want your fucking message. I want you. 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.200 Yeah, and so that's a great talking point. Yeah, can 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.320 you answer the question though, Yeah, I love that, and 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:25.920 and you sound like a human capture. But can you 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.480 tell me why? You know why this makes no sense? Yeah, 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:30.719 you know, And it's it's it's those little moments of 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:33.880 just like popping the bubble, which is, hey, I know 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:35.680 that you do a million zoom calls where you can 0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.360 kind of have these haikus of nothing right, but I 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:41.200 literally don't know what you said. Yeah, you spoke for 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:46.520 that three minutes. None of it made sense. And it's funny. 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.160 I think it's great that you've got the you're you 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.120 can do that, because what is I start kind of going. 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:56.600 Yeah, yeah, I forget where I am, and then I 0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:57.719 just fucking fight. 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.040 I always tried to cut to a commercial break, but 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.680 of course there isn't one because it's podcasting, right, But 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.359 it's uh, but I've never had a politician on here. 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:07.440 I don't think I would. I don't think I. 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.879 Don't need to. Yeah, do what you want, man, Yeah, 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.319 that's I think that's what you want. I think that's 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:14.839 it right. And I think that the thing is as well, 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.200 is like you know, where are you? Where are you at? 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.120 What do you want to do? Yeah? You can literally 0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:23.480 do anything. We're in kids superstent. Yeah, I literally that 0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:23.799 you want. 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:27.399 I like comb the lanes vibe. I like kids super 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.600 I like it out here. Do you know a guy 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:30.400 called Peter Gouber. 0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:32.960 No, Peter Gouber is like he's a big guy in 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.640 Holly was a big successful producer and the other things. 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:39.439 He's very successful guy. You win some giant hockey team 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:41.239 and he's super. He's like a billionaire and all that. 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.719 And but goober, I can run into him. And when 0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:46.160 I was in Hollywood and we used to have lunch 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.319 every now and again. And when I was leaving late night, 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:51.000 I was like, I don't know what to fucking do now. 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:53.880 And so I had lunch with Peter and and and 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.320 he said, he's a older guy, and he said, what 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.600 you have to do is you have to be be 0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:01.040 around young people who have energy and are doing things. 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:03.560 I said, okay, isn't that a little weird. 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:04.400 He was like no, no, no, no. 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:08.920 I said, have them around you and listen to what 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:13.040 they're saying. Don't do any of it, but listen to it, 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.600 and you will feel enthused by. 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:19.239 That. And he's kind of right. 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.640 And I feel like this place and I like being 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.279 around the energy of that, you know, and people who 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:25.160 are trying new stuff. 0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.120 So what do I want to do? I don't know, 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.640 that's all I don't know. Yeah, this, I like this. 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:31.080 I like this. 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:32.919 I like talking to you. I like talking to people 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.320 that I'm interested in talking to. 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:34.719 Yeah. 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.040 If I can find a politician that I'm interested in 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:39.120 talking to, I'll talk to them. 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:41.440 They probably don't need to, I'll be honest with you. 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:43.840 It's fucking hard for me to find one that he 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:48.439 can be on the talking point. Yeah, very difficult. It's 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.040 really interesting for me. 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.919 The joy that I get out of it is again, 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:55.400 it's the same feeling I got I get from stand up. 0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:57.880 Let me just say what i've what I feel when 0:54:57.920 --> 0:54:59.919 I when I read about you in the New York Times. Yeah, 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:01.800 let me just say it. Yeah. So we had this 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:04.280 general on General McChrystal, who was like a big general 0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:06.640 during the war and Irack in Afghanistan. Okay, right, So 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:08.440 one of my favorite moments from the interview is I go, 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.840 mister general, do you are you familiar with the Onion? 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.319 Just a great sentence. Is a great sentence, like one 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.080 of the head of the US Army. You from the 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:19.200 Onion dot com. The onion dot com satirical. 0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:21.880 Yeah, yes, I go. 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.520 I showed him an Onion headline article, and it says 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:30.319 US Army continues to defeat al Qaeda by killing every 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:37.320 single number two in charge. Fucking great headline. General McCrystal goes. 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.359 The sad part is we only killed number three. 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:41.759 Oh my god. 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:47.080 And it's just you know what, it's just fucking incredible. Yeah, 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.279 I mean it's just to me. I mean I was like, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:54.799 set up punchline. Yep, it's pretty great. It's pretty great. 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.200 It's pretty great. It writes itself. So twenty years of 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:01.919 a meaningless war to get the Yeah, yeah, he didn't 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.360 know that. He didn't he didn't get it. He didn't 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:06.480 get the joe, he didn't get the joke. But to me, 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:11.279 it's just a hey, if that's all I do. I 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:13.960 said my piece, I said how I really feel about it, 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:17.560 how many people feel about it? Cool? And and by 0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:19.600 the way, that's okay, Like I'm I am at peace 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:22.560 with that. I'm very happy with that. I think you 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:24.040 should be. I'm happy you were here. 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.279 Thanks for coming, Thanks for having me, all right. Thanks