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Speaker 1: covers the Steelers for dk Pittsburgh Sports. Chris, thank you

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Speaker 2: I was definitely a little surprised. Yes, there were some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to agree the Do you agree that

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Speaker 2: it's one of them for sure. Again, when you have,

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Speaker 1: Radio Hallick Buddy, a wild one to say the least.

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Speaker 1: Chris, last one I've got for you. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe we've buried the league because we haven't really talked

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Speaker 1: much about this guy, Matt and I this week. But

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Speaker 1: the return of DK Metcalf, what do you expect that

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Speaker 1: to mean for this offense, for Aaron Rodgers, for the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, for the run game. It's the It's the

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Speaker 1: exact right time you want to be getting a guy

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Speaker 1: like this back against a defense like the Houston Texans have.

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Speaker 3: And that's similar to what I was going to ask

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Speaker 3: to let you off the hook here too, is how

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Speaker 3: do you think the distribution outside of Metcalf works at

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Speaker 3: the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I'll start with the return of Metcalf

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Speaker 2: comes at a great time because now you have your

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Speaker 2: you have all your weapons that you need. And while

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Speaker 2: the Houston defense is very, very good, and you can

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Speaker 2: make a really good argument that this is the best

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Speaker 2: defense in the NFL, they've been giving up explosive place

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Speaker 2: through the air, more frequently and Dimigo Ryan's talked about

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Speaker 2: that on Monday. They've given up four passes of forty

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Speaker 2: plus yards of the past three weeks. That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: And they've been doing it against their cover four Cover

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Speaker 2: them was against like a cover one where seamsich and

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Speaker 2: just drew up a great design that the deep safety

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Speaker 2: down and then there's a post that out Pierce ran

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Speaker 2: over the top and it was just it was a

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Speaker 2: really really great design play by by Pside and Butt.

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Speaker 2: If they're so I look at that and I'm like, wow, Well,

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Speaker 2: if there's a way to take the top off the

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Speaker 2: Houston defense, you're gonna need all you can get. And well,

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Speaker 2: DK Metcalfs and best guy to do that. And then

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Speaker 2: if you also put Mark Marquasald the scandling up there

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Speaker 2: on the other side, now you've got two guys who

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Speaker 2: can help take the take the top off of the defense.

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Speaker 2: And if they over commit to that, because now they're

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Speaker 2: trying to make sure that doesn't happen, then might maybe

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Speaker 2: they let some things underneath go a little bit too soft.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that opens things up for Pat Fryer moves a

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Speaker 2: Adam Feelin or you know other guys are the running

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Speaker 2: back checkdown game. How many yards after the catch did

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Speaker 2: Shalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell have against the Ravens? Like

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Speaker 2: so I when it comes to the distribution, along with

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Speaker 2: getting that cap back, I'm curious to see, like if

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Speaker 2: they're gonna smell blood in the water and try to

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Speaker 2: test the text and the seat and to see if

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Speaker 2: the Texans almost try to overcorrect to fix that and

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Speaker 2: then turn up and then see that and be like,

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Speaker 2: all right, well, then we can just take everything underneath

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Speaker 2: and just get a whole bunch of yours after the catch,

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Speaker 2: just like we did against Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff as always with our buddy Chris Hallick DK

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Sports. Chris, thank you for taking the time, buddy,

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Speaker 1: and we will talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, you know it.

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Speaker 1: There he goes my pleasure like I work at Chick

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Speaker 1: fil A. Our buddy Chris Halleck. Great stuff, good conversation

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Speaker 1: with him as always, and a lot to chew one