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Speaker 1: I don't even know why they said those other three names,
Speaker 1: because Nate host it. Nah, I can't host it. But
Speaker 1: we were trying to start the show so I can
Speaker 1: ride you dog and Kurt, Kurt and cow would not
Speaker 1: go behind your back? How would you got tool this
Speaker 1: man of favor because he threw a fit because he
Speaker 1: didn't have any water before the show starts. So I
Speaker 1: went to go get drinks and I come back in
Speaker 1: the hall and out he him go, let's start the show,
Speaker 1: start the show, trying my best to stab him in
Speaker 1: his back. Not going along with it? Man, how you
Speaker 1: fellas doing good? Good? You're good? You know what? What
Speaker 1: what you got on them two guys? Man? What you
Speaker 1: got on Kurt? Because Jesuit rolling with his boy. No,
Speaker 1: don't do that. You bought running this boat by yourself.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't want to complain about the water not being here.
Speaker 1: He's the one person who never drinks his water, right
Speaker 1: because I like taking home and say, man, Shannon got
Speaker 1: this fun. It's okay, we're good. We're here, but we're here,
Speaker 1: and we are also here with long time special guests.
Speaker 1: First time this season, first time this season. Yes, Chris,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Chris. And that was in the summertime. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: cool football seating the start. Hey, Kyle, we need some
Speaker 1: applause for Chris. Welcome to the show, Chris. Okay, you
Speaker 1: know who running the show though. Okay, what's up man?
Speaker 1: How you been man? Just grinding away trying to find
Speaker 1: football players for next year's draft? So tell us what
Speaker 1: you were working on right at this moment. Right at
Speaker 1: this moment, we just had a kind of a midseason
Speaker 1: check up report with all of our scouting staff, our
Speaker 1: college guys. We brought everybody in town for three or
Speaker 1: four days and kind of went over with each individual
Speaker 1: guy in their area, just kind of went through their
Speaker 1: areas and did a little midseason check up to see
Speaker 1: where the players are, where they think they're going to be,
Speaker 1: making sure that we're not having just a guy out
Speaker 1: there that only one person is seen, so we kind
Speaker 1: of get a little check up there to see if
Speaker 1: we need to readjust some schedules and get in and
Speaker 1: see a guy practice here. End of October beginning November
Speaker 1: before some of these smaller schools closed the closed their
Speaker 1: shop down. So try and get at least two, if
Speaker 1: not three sets eyes on everybody that we think will
Speaker 1: make the draft board during the fall, and then we
Speaker 1: let the process roll out in the spring from the
Speaker 1: All Star Games and the Combine and the protests. All right,
Speaker 1: can you break it down for the fans, because when
Speaker 1: you talk about scouting, there is there's two sets of scoutings, right,
Speaker 1: you have your college scouts and then you have your
Speaker 1: pro scouts exactly, So break it down to the fans.
Speaker 1: On one, you know what areas of regions are guys
Speaker 1: going out for the college scouts? And then how was
Speaker 1: it broken down for those pro scouts yep, and evaluating
Speaker 1: talent and trying to bring talent in during the season
Speaker 1: exactly a week away. So our college group we have
Speaker 1: there's uh, there's basically eleven or twelve of us that
Speaker 1: are out on the road all during the fall. Once
Speaker 1: once we get out of training camp we're we're out
Speaker 1: hunting guys until November on the road visiting college campuses.
Speaker 1: We break the country up into six areas, and each
Speaker 1: guy we call them the general manager of their area,
Speaker 1: and it's up to them to handle that area and
Speaker 1: know what's there and know where the players are. And
Speaker 1: then there's three or four of us that will I
Speaker 1: cover all of Texas, and then there's three other guys
Speaker 1: that will cover the whole country and just try and
Speaker 1: get second and third looks at the top players. So
Speaker 1: we like to get as many eyes and talk to
Speaker 1: as many people on campuses as we can look. Anybody
Speaker 1: can put the tape on and give you an opinion
Speaker 1: about a player, but the real scouting and the information
Speaker 1: is when you're on campus talking to the different people
Speaker 1: that you're allowed to visit with to find out about
Speaker 1: the person. We can look at the tape and tell
Speaker 1: you what kind of player we think he is, but
Speaker 1: the other part of the equation is figuring out who
Speaker 1: the guy is and is he the kind of guy
Speaker 1: that we want to bring onto the Cowboys roster and
Speaker 1: let him compete for a spot here. So that's the
Speaker 1: college end of it and the pro end of it.
Speaker 1: We've got four guys and a couple other helpers in
Speaker 1: the office that work the pro rosters every day every
Speaker 1: week during the season. A couple of the guys work
Speaker 1: on advanced scouting for the opponents that we're going to
Speaker 1: play in future weeks, and then we're always looking at
Speaker 1: the guys that are on practice squads, going back to
Speaker 1: the preseason tape, looking at them. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: of reports on those guys already, but the ones we don't,
Speaker 1: we go back and look at that trying to cover
Speaker 1: every aspect of you have an injury. That's the first
Speaker 1: guys you tend to look at as the guys that
Speaker 1: are on somebody else's practice squad. And then there's the
Speaker 1: guys that are out on the street. So the pro
Speaker 1: scouts are looking at practice squads, they're keeping up on
Speaker 1: who's on the street, whose names show up on the
Speaker 1: waiver wire, who's getting workouts at other places, and a
Speaker 1: lot of it's just based on positions of need too
Speaker 1: and where where you're trying to improve your depth, or
Speaker 1: you run into an injury and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Ty Crawford goes out for the year, and you got
Speaker 1: to find a body to replace him, and it might
Speaker 1: come from a practice squad, it might come from a
Speaker 1: guy on the street, could come from a trade. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to be prepared for all those different scenarios.
Speaker 1: Now we have Chris Hall Hill, and I'll tell us
Speaker 1: your position again, Coach. I'm the college scouting coordinator for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and this is open week. So we thought,
Speaker 1: Shannon thought it would be a great idea to brain
Speaker 1: coaching and see where we add in the different things.
Speaker 1: And just this is Chris all great man. You're having
Speaker 1: to questions for him? Sure, a bunch of questions. All right, Wait,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta one important one. Sure, had you
Speaker 1: ever heard before he made the team? Had you ever
Speaker 1: heard the name Jesse Holly? Sure? From the from the show.
Speaker 1: Obviously we knew who he was from all that, all right,
Speaker 1: but then yeah, North Carolina, we knew who just okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we knew where I was listening. I was okay, I
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, I had some acc honors. I was
Speaker 1: all right, Okay. I I wasn't a complete because our
Speaker 1: fans think you you just describe. No, I wasn't a
Speaker 1: complete scrub. Had a college Yeah, I got it Hill.
Speaker 1: This was okay, it's water than most. You're not on
Speaker 1: Twitter a lot. You don't see the fire that the
Speaker 1: fans of this show. Oh I'm a total scrub. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. So I just wanted to listeners
Speaker 1: to know Jesse had Jesse had some football cred coming
Speaker 1: out of college. Yeah. So yeah, just always behind Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1: That's the hard far was. It was like Calvin Johnson
Speaker 1: then everybody else, Calvin Johnson, Chauncey Stucky, uh who was
Speaker 1: at that time? I was at that mix. But I
Speaker 1: would like I used to go back and watch film, like,
Speaker 1: all right, how can I get these Calvin Johnson numbers.
Speaker 1: I literally sat down one week and I watched a
Speaker 1: bunch of Calvin. I'm trying to figure out, how is
Speaker 1: this guy doing it every week while you were in
Speaker 1: college and he was in Yeah, because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm the one here and he's the
Speaker 1: one there, I want numbers comparable to what the one
Speaker 1: over there is doing. And I'm like, all right, he
Speaker 1: was averaging at the time like eighty five yards. Again,
Speaker 1: now think about this, this is this is this is
Speaker 1: joy the tech, this is ten years ago, twelve years ago, right,
Speaker 1: This is this is before the whole past happy league things.
Speaker 1: Everybody's in shotgun stuff. This was you know, tight ends
Speaker 1: and fullbacks and all that kind of I'm like, this
Speaker 1: dude is averaging like eighty five yards a game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing with Calvin was and coming out of
Speaker 1: that offense that they were running there. He didn't get
Speaker 1: that many balls play, but when he did, he was
Speaker 1: making huge plays. And the routes you get to run
Speaker 1: in that offense as are Shaver, usually vertical and asking
Speaker 1: for big yes to have and that's and that's how
Speaker 1: he got. Like they would throw maybe three or four
Speaker 1: just fifty fifty balls, and you think about it. All
Speaker 1: you gotta do is catch one that's fifty right, right right,
Speaker 1: and everybody else he'll catch two or three. I'm just
Speaker 1: buy average. If he catches one that's fifty and then
Speaker 1: little little you know, ten yards here to five yards
Speaker 1: there at end of the game, oh, one hundred twenty
Speaker 1: five yards eighty nine yards one, and Jesse's going back going, hey,
Speaker 1: just throw it up three times. I'll get listening. I'm like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm sixty three, I'm not six five. But let's just
Speaker 1: take me a couple of shots down here. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, give me a chance. And no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not Kurt. I hate that man I cut him off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He tried to get involved. We shut him down.
Speaker 1: So so man, I asked you to ask a question
Speaker 1: there of course, Chris Hall. So obviously you guys have
Speaker 1: worked with Jason Garrett and his staff over the year.
Speaker 1: That's a camp. You gotta get him the day because
Speaker 1: he trying to come back to the day. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: there a mute button? Yeah, exactly. Um, he's obviously he
Speaker 1: doesn't obviously doesn't have a contract. So does that make
Speaker 1: anything change for you? Is a tougher because you don't
Speaker 1: know what You maybe have a new staff next year,
Speaker 1: there an entirely different new players or something like that.
Speaker 1: Does that change anything which you or affect you guys
Speaker 1: at all? Not really. I mean we kind of have
Speaker 1: some philosophies in place here, and yeah, it certainly can
Speaker 1: change when you get not just a new head coach,
Speaker 1: but new position coaches as well. Um, so you always
Speaker 1: try and go scout good football players and then if
Speaker 1: something were to happen down the road, obviously we would
Speaker 1: adjust to whatever style we change too, but we're still
Speaker 1: going to scout the guys the same during the fall
Speaker 1: and you put a grade on them and then do
Speaker 1: they fit what we're doing at the time, and we
Speaker 1: adjust as we go forward getting closer to the draft,
Speaker 1: But it really doesn't change our approach and how we
Speaker 1: look at guys. We know what we play right now,
Speaker 1: and we know what type of guys fit what we're
Speaker 1: doing right now. But if all of a sudden we
Speaker 1: changed to a three four scheme, it's going to open
Speaker 1: up the door for a whole lot of players that
Speaker 1: don't fit what we do right now. You know, if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we changed to a gap scheme
Speaker 1: running team, you know, it's going to adjust and change
Speaker 1: what we're looking for as an offensive lineman. Somewhat. You
Speaker 1: were here when Parcels came in, so that you kind
Speaker 1: of experienced that then, didn't he changed the Yeah, the scheming, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll changed a lot of things, you know, as how
Speaker 1: things were done on the field off the field, but
Speaker 1: it was yeah, you do you change it. You know,
Speaker 1: we had coach Zimmer here at the time and we
Speaker 1: were we were you know, we really made a big
Speaker 1: adjustment there, not the first year, but we kind of
Speaker 1: transitioned into it in the second year. And as as
Speaker 1: as the style that we were going to play on
Speaker 1: the field evolved, so did us as scouts. We had
Speaker 1: to evolved to what we were looking to fit into
Speaker 1: each particular piece. Nice, it's good. How much does you
Speaker 1: know when you hear so much talk these days about
Speaker 1: analytics and new stats that again, does that affect what
Speaker 1: you guys? Is that changed how you scout it all?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's changed how we've scouted, but it's
Speaker 1: become a bigger part of the puzzle that we put
Speaker 1: together each spring. You know, we've got a full analytics
Speaker 1: staff now that's grown over the last few years. They
Speaker 1: interpret a whole bunch of different things that they bring
Speaker 1: to the table, whether it's stats, tendencies, the type of
Speaker 1: player that fits in different things. There's a lot. There's
Speaker 1: so many different things to evaluate now and Tom Robinson
Speaker 1: and his staff do a great job of bringing another
Speaker 1: aspect to throw into the puzzle for us to figure out.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't just go with what analytics say.
Speaker 1: We don't just go with what scouts say. We don't
Speaker 1: just go with what coaches say. You know, Will McClay
Speaker 1: does a phenomenal job of putting that all together and
Speaker 1: passing on the information to management and we make a
Speaker 1: good group decision on what's best for the team. That's
Speaker 1: a perfect segue to my next question. You brought his
Speaker 1: name up, Will McClay, and he is someone who I
Speaker 1: would say that in the last couple of years, you've
Speaker 1: seen his name become more of a household name, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times you don't hear that about the
Speaker 1: head of scout, you know, the head of scout department.
Speaker 1: A lot of those names kind of stayed under the radar.
Speaker 1: But this is a guy who's been talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: being a GM and what he's meant to this team
Speaker 1: and how he's built this team through the draft and
Speaker 1: free agency. What is it like working for Will McClay,
Speaker 1: Working under Will McClay, Yeah, it's I've known well for
Speaker 1: a long long time, back to when he was the
Speaker 1: coach of the Desperadoes and even money was coaching in
Speaker 1: the XFL, putting helping Galen Hall put together the Orlando
Speaker 1: Rage back in the day. And Will Will's a grinder,
Speaker 1: he's a workhorse's he's the most demanding, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to put it the right way. I've never worked with
Speaker 1: the guy that works as hard as well does so
Speaker 1: is work as you can you see, because when your
Speaker 1: boss sets the bar up here, you've got to answer
Speaker 1: that every day. You've got to come to work and
Speaker 1: you've got to work like he does. Your whole staff does.
Speaker 1: And he's done nothing but make our entire group better.
Speaker 1: He watches more tape than any human alive, I promise
Speaker 1: you that, and he studies it and he knows it
Speaker 1: and he loves it. I mean it's in his DNA.
Speaker 1: He loves the game of football. He's been invaluable to
Speaker 1: our to our team and helping unify everything that we
Speaker 1: do between coaching, scouting, and he's he's a great voice
Speaker 1: to help management understand the whole process that we go
Speaker 1: through too. He's he's been an irreplaceable piece to what
Speaker 1: we do in building this team. Philip Bowling on Twitter
Speaker 1: wanted to know, how do you get into scouting. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of different roads. Yeah, there is. There's there's
Speaker 1: guys like me who never played it down on football
Speaker 1: in his life that have found their way into it.
Speaker 1: By Hooker Crook and then you've got ex players that
Speaker 1: are involved in it. You've got coaches that get involved
Speaker 1: done it. You got analytics people that find their way
Speaker 1: into it. There's a lot of different ways. And I've
Speaker 1: been doing this now for almost thirty years. What was
Speaker 1: your road? How did you get I was really fortunate
Speaker 1: so way back in the day. I went to SMU
Speaker 1: when we didn't have a football team, when we were
Speaker 1: on the death penalty. I was in school during that time,
Speaker 1: and a buddy of mine, Brett Daniels, who was a
Speaker 1: longtime employee out here. He worked in the PR department
Speaker 1: for twenty five years and he's gone on to help
Speaker 1: put Super Bowls together in Atlanta and work at Georgia
Speaker 1: Tech as an athletic administrator. But Brett, and now everybody's
Speaker 1: back in the day, and he had had a job
Speaker 1: out here a year ahead of me. And I was
Speaker 1: still looking for a job with my big SMU degree
Speaker 1: after I graduated that May, and I was making five
Speaker 1: bucks an hour slopping the mail around in the athletic department.
Speaker 1: He called me and said, Hey, there's a spot in
Speaker 1: the scouting department and this guy just quit. You interested,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I got like five hundred bucks
Speaker 1: left in my bank account. I need a real job.
Speaker 1: So I was fortunate enough to get an interview out
Speaker 1: here and they next week they asked me to come
Speaker 1: back and I got the job. And that was September
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety. Wow. And no experience at all, huh um.
Speaker 1: Not directly with with football, no, huh um. So I
Speaker 1: learned from the literal ground up. I was the intern
Speaker 1: that that put that into the computer, that bought the
Speaker 1: newspapers in the morning, that you know, managed clips. And
Speaker 1: there was no iPhones then, right, Oh my god, it
Speaker 1: wasn't we had we had uh you know, we would
Speaker 1: get uh either beta tapes or still some eight millimeter
Speaker 1: film at that time, and so that film you would
Speaker 1: have to send back to school, so you would be
Speaker 1: borrowing it essentially. And uh, the dub the Dub Center
Speaker 1: as it exists today, didn't exist. I mean we're so
Speaker 1: fortunate now games get played on Saturday and a lot
Speaker 1: of times we have that tape Monday morning to look at.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, in the instant world that we
Speaker 1: live in now with with phones and computers and technology
Speaker 1: to far cry from you know, having to go track
Speaker 1: film down just to evaluate players back in the day
Speaker 1: when I first started. And we have time for another
Speaker 1: question that we're going to a break soon. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna extend it a little bit. He's gonna
Speaker 1: stay with us about thirty minutes, so we're gonna break late.
Speaker 1: So alright, alright, so ten minutes when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the scouting, right, and we won't we won't bring up
Speaker 1: the negative. We'll just stick on the positive side of things,
Speaker 1: thank you, right, because this is a positive week. It's
Speaker 1: a positive week, right, as a scout, you all come
Speaker 1: back with the player, right, you'll stay This is my guy.
Speaker 1: What is a guy that you brought back and stood
Speaker 1: on the table floor and saying, y'all may not think,
Speaker 1: but this is a guy and it actually worked out
Speaker 1: for you. The guy I always used one when I
Speaker 1: get this question is Patrick Creighton. That's my guy. So
Speaker 1: I love PC. That's that's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: I love Patrick was a was a was a basically
Speaker 1: an option quarterback quarterback up at a little school in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and uh it was it like Northwesternwestern day yep, and
Speaker 1: he uh he ran for a bajillion yards. He threw
Speaker 1: the ball pretty good, and he showed up at an
Speaker 1: All Star game that at the time was actually in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. There was a game out there a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I can't even remember what the name of
Speaker 1: it was at this point, but I went out there
Speaker 1: and they'd moved pat to wide receiver and man, he
Speaker 1: caught everything. I mean, those big hands just snatched it
Speaker 1: and he could He ran well enough. He didn't run great,
Speaker 1: but for a guy that had been working as a quarterback,
Speaker 1: it was really impressive to see his hands and how
Speaker 1: he could just go get the football. And we ended
Speaker 1: up taking him in the seventh round that year, and
Speaker 1: Parcels was the head coach, and I was still kind
Speaker 1: of wept behind the ears at that time a little
Speaker 1: bit and evaluating and doing things like that. So I
Speaker 1: would pop up with Crayton's name every now and then
Speaker 1: when we were going through things, and he got a
Speaker 1: little juice in the room eventually from some other people too,
Speaker 1: And when we finally made that decision to use that
Speaker 1: last pick, I'll never forget Parcels looking back at me.
Speaker 1: I was kind of in the back doing my thing
Speaker 1: on the computer, and he goes, well, you're going to
Speaker 1: get your palm palms screw out, so you know it
Speaker 1: worked out pretty good. Yeah, that was a really good,
Speaker 1: dependable player for a lot of years for us and
Speaker 1: UH and and had a lot of good things for
Speaker 1: him over the years. Yet anything, Nate, you're being really quiet. No, No,
Speaker 1: y'all ask the right questions. Man and coach love to
Speaker 1: do his thing. So Chris hall Man, head of cottage,
Speaker 1: director of cottage scouting and personnel. I'm loving it. Man,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good build me a little bigger than
Speaker 1: I am there. But thank you. You've been done radio before.
Speaker 1: That was a good reason. I was gonna let you read.
Speaker 1: But I don't really reset. I never it's a great reset.
Speaker 1: I never resent n that's a great year. What the
Speaker 1: hell I'm doing? And I don't know why to keep
Speaker 1: me on the show? I got a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: One start with us. One, Obviously, we aren't looking for
Speaker 1: a quarterback or weren't looking for a quarterback? Were there
Speaker 1: some guys in that draft, the handful of the top
Speaker 1: four or five guys that went early this past year,
Speaker 1: were there's some guys that who was y'all kind of
Speaker 1: favorite in the room as far as this past year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterback thing. When you've got one, you're
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, you don't hunt quite as hard at
Speaker 1: that position. You know, over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: we've we've seen some really good guys come in. You know,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones was this year, and you know Sam Darnold
Speaker 1: last year, the two guys in New York, and then
Speaker 1: of course Mahomes and that whole crew of guys that
Speaker 1: have come through here. And you know, we have these
Speaker 1: discussions about quarterbacks when you talk about a first round quarterback,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, if you go
Speaker 1: look through history, more than half of them flame out
Speaker 1: and don't become anything that you think they're going to be.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it so difficult. We've been in
Speaker 1: an amazing position in the last two quarterbacks we've had.
Speaker 1: One was a rookie free agent from Eastern Illinois and
Speaker 1: the other was a fourth round pick from Mississippi State
Speaker 1: who you know, honestly, we tried to get two or
Speaker 1: three other guys before we even got him. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's not an exact science. It's not a perfect deal.
Speaker 1: There's not a yep, this guy's a sure fire, can't
Speaker 1: miss guy. Um, there's a couple other guys in the
Speaker 1: draft this year coming that are going to be in
Speaker 1: that same boat that you got to decide on if
Speaker 1: you need a quarterback. And that's why it's so valuable
Speaker 1: that if you have one, you find a way to
Speaker 1: keep him and instead of hitting the reset button where
Speaker 1: you reset and you're fifty fifty regardless of where you're
Speaker 1: picking them. Yeah, and my other question is you're in
Speaker 1: the draft room on draft yes, all three days? Yep.
Speaker 1: What is what is that like? Or do you have
Speaker 1: a story that you can share that's funny or tents
Speaker 1: or however you want to talk about the draft room?
Speaker 1: Just talk about something about draft day. Yeah, Draft Day
Speaker 1: is a lot of hurry up and wait quite nicely,
Speaker 1: you know, especially the way that they've changed it over
Speaker 1: the years. You know, you have one pick on Thursday night,
Speaker 1: and if you're fortunate to have a first round pick,
Speaker 1: which we do again this year. Last year it was
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous we didn't have a pick. You know,
Speaker 1: we Arts had already you know, hit some home runs
Speaker 1: for us on the field right before we draft. It
Speaker 1: just eating catfish last right, we're snacking and watching the
Speaker 1: world go by, so you know, there was no pressure
Speaker 1: on that. And on the second night we got involved
Speaker 1: and you know, we made some picks, but even the
Speaker 1: second day is a little bit slow sometimes too, because
Speaker 1: you're only picking twice. Now, we haven't been as active
Speaker 1: moving around the draft board as we used to be.
Speaker 1: We make some trades here and there, but I mean,
Speaker 1: we used to look at trying to do something with
Speaker 1: dang near every pick, it seemed like sometimes. But we've
Speaker 1: settled in to follow on our board and taking the
Speaker 1: best players that are up there, and we've done a
Speaker 1: pretty darn good job of it the last few years
Speaker 1: and building this football team. By the time you get
Speaker 1: to day three, that day three is really the exciting
Speaker 1: day because now you're kind of you're digging a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper into some names that people really might not
Speaker 1: as be as familiar with, and those are the guys
Speaker 1: that you've done a lot of scouting work on, your
Speaker 1: coaches have gotten involved in that. There's usually a dozen
Speaker 1: fifteen guys that you got your eye on as you're
Speaker 1: watching that progress between the you know, the fourth to
Speaker 1: the seventh round, and you just kind of watch that
Speaker 1: develop and sometimes guys you like, they start popping off
Speaker 1: and you're thinking it's getting thin up there, and then
Speaker 1: there's a few more that hang on there, you know,
Speaker 1: like a case with Xavier Woods. We had a pretty
Speaker 1: good grade on him a few years ago, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of looking around, going, hey, let's go get
Speaker 1: this guy. And then we actively got on the phone
Speaker 1: and and made some calls to different teams until we
Speaker 1: found a deal that we liked and we picked up
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick and we added him to the
Speaker 1: team and he's starting safety for us right now. So
Speaker 1: that third day can get really exciting because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of moving parts with it, not just with the draft,
Speaker 1: but when the draft's over and rookie free agencies, that's
Speaker 1: the real fun. That's complete chaos, and you know you're
Speaker 1: trying to add anywhere from twelve to twenty guys to
Speaker 1: your roster at that point, and you know every other
Speaker 1: team's trying to do the same thing as well, so
Speaker 1: it becomes a it's a little bit of a free
Speaker 1: for all. There's there's some money and some guarantees involved
Speaker 1: in that, and how good do you negotiate or what
Speaker 1: kind of what kind of relationships you have with agents
Speaker 1: or agents that have done their homework and know that
Speaker 1: the players are good fit for you or or he
Speaker 1: might be a better fit for another team. And sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't always come down to the signing bonus, but
Speaker 1: it comes down to a guy who's done his homework
Speaker 1: and says, yeah, you know what, I think my guy
Speaker 1: can make your team as the third tight end, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send him there. Or you know what, there's
Speaker 1: two receiver spots to be had on that team, so
Speaker 1: I know you drafted a guy, but I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: my guy come there and compete for one of those
Speaker 1: other spots. So the Day three is really the exciting
Speaker 1: day of the draft, honestly, for the for the scouting guys, Chris,
Speaker 1: you know you want. It may seem early to the
Speaker 1: common fan, but you your your work never's done right.
Speaker 1: It's like there's always worked to be had, and you
Speaker 1: guys are already looking towards this upcoming twenty twenty draft, definitely,
Speaker 1: And if you can share this, you can. If you can't,
Speaker 1: just blink three times, like, um, what do you think
Speaker 1: the need is? We're we're standing at today? If the
Speaker 1: draft was let's say next week. What do you think
Speaker 1: the need would be for the Cowboys right now? You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's hard to to really put a finger on
Speaker 1: right now, quite honestly, because right now it's you know,
Speaker 1: we've got we've got really good depth on this football team,
Speaker 1: and we've had some guys step up when other guys
Speaker 1: have been hurt. I mean to me, you can always
Speaker 1: you can always add depth on the offensive line and
Speaker 1: the defensive line, and sometimes those are not as sexy picks,
Speaker 1: but they pay off for you down down the run um.
Speaker 1: You know, having guys that can step in when guys
Speaker 1: miss a couple of games is really important. Um, we
Speaker 1: can we've gotten pretty young on this football team. If
Speaker 1: we're not the youngest team, we're right there, second or
Speaker 1: third up, I think. So, you know, it's it's continuing
Speaker 1: to find good pieces all the way across the board
Speaker 1: to add to your deal. You know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to specifically say which position, but you know, like I
Speaker 1: I feel like we've got good depth across the board,
Speaker 1: and as long as we can keep adding guys at
Speaker 1: a high level that can compete and get the best
Speaker 1: out of the next player. Now, we always have an
Speaker 1: eye towards free agency too, where we know whose contract
Speaker 1: is up and where all of a sudden we're going
Speaker 1: to be a little short on depth. So maybe those
Speaker 1: positions turn into your positions of need. When you know
Speaker 1: that you're gonna lose three defensive linemen or three or
Speaker 1: four of them are available to leave in free agency
Speaker 1: if they choose, then maybe you put a little heavier
Speaker 1: eye on that spot and you really do a little
Speaker 1: more work there. Or you know, we've got several guys
Speaker 1: in the secondary that are potential free agents or a
Speaker 1: year away from being a free agent. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: guys that are leaving right now. It could be a
Speaker 1: guy whose contract is up next year that we want
Speaker 1: to get ahead of that, so all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's not a oh crap, man, we got to draft
Speaker 1: a guy. And then you get in the area of
Speaker 1: committing the cardinal sin of drafting for need or perceived need,
Speaker 1: and that's when you can start to make some mistakes
Speaker 1: where you pass up a better player at another position
Speaker 1: to fill a perceived hole or perceived need. Chris, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've stot quieting that he dudes do it's hard for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the question I have is uh maybe kind of weird,
Speaker 1: maybe not? Okay, we we gotta buy and I understand
Speaker 1: this ain't the halfway point, But do do we ever
Speaker 1: as a team come in in house with our scouts?
Speaker 1: So do y'all have time or do it's certain guys
Speaker 1: that come in the house not only now and self
Speaker 1: scout us and break us down as a team, or
Speaker 1: do y'all need that to the coaches and then towards
Speaker 1: if we make a push towards the playoffs, do everybody
Speaker 1: come back in then and help scout us or either
Speaker 1: scout other teams? Um, Honestly, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: the answer to that question. I know our coaches continuing
Speaker 1: us continuously self scout. We've got a lot of different
Speaker 1: assistants and a that's a little bit of what the
Speaker 1: analytics guys do on a weekly basis as well. So
Speaker 1: they're they're pointing out tendencies, uh, letting Kellen and coach
Speaker 1: Rod and coach Schard. No, Hey, maybe we're calling a
Speaker 1: certain coverage too much or we're running certain plays at
Speaker 1: this percentage. Um, I think there's continual in house scouting
Speaker 1: going on. It's more I think with coaches and analytics,
Speaker 1: um our guys are more about building the team, not
Speaker 1: not the xs and os with it. That about one
Speaker 1: more question? Anybody don't want it? Any concert has been
Speaker 1: too late? Iron Maiden a couple of weeks ago? How
Speaker 1: was that? I was great? And he's steal away? As
Speaker 1: are all still sixty five years old and rocking? I
Speaker 1: got what time we're using? Is that? Iron Maiden? Kurt headbanging?
Speaker 1: Muted Rob? What's his name? Rob? How? Devil Rob? How
Speaker 1: that's Judas priest? Okay, I got one more kind of
Speaker 1: scouting question to them this summer though, before you before
Speaker 1: you go. I'm very active on Twitter and so Pete.
Speaker 1: All the time they say, go get that guy, go
Speaker 1: get this guy. You know, someone gets released, someone go
Speaker 1: get this guy. Like, can you explain to the people
Speaker 1: it ain't just that simple to say. People are like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should get Jamal Adams. I'm like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: you do know Jamal Adams is a good player on
Speaker 1: a really good team. Who's I'm not a really good team,
Speaker 1: but a really good player for a team, and it's
Speaker 1: not gonna let him walk. So when people say that,
Speaker 1: like oh we should go get him or gott please
Speaker 1: said we should have him, We should have him. Explain
Speaker 1: to the people the process isn't as simple as they think. No,
Speaker 1: it's really not. I mean, you know, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: you gotta have two people to make a deal. And
Speaker 1: while there's a lot of you know, we're seeing a
Speaker 1: couple of pretty good players here the last couple of
Speaker 1: Daysmanuel Sanders, Mohamed Sanum, the Quinn kid at Detroit. You know,
Speaker 1: Quan Diggs, Diggs, not Quinn. Quinn retired last year. But
Speaker 1: these guys have all been moved. And for the casual observer,
Speaker 1: it seems like, well, they're just getting a couple of
Speaker 1: draft picks for this guy, who can go help him
Speaker 1: play right now? Well, there's a lot of things involved
Speaker 1: in that. First and foremost, it's what's the player's salary
Speaker 1: and can you fit him under your cap? What's his contract?
Speaker 1: Is he controllable just the rest of this year or
Speaker 1: does he have two or three years left on it?
Speaker 1: So some of these things are an investment for here
Speaker 1: and now. Some of them you got to look towards
Speaker 1: the future. You know, when we made the deal with
Speaker 1: Amari last year, we knew we had him for last
Speaker 1: year and this year and the idea was to get
Speaker 1: a long term deal done with him at some point.
Speaker 1: That's still the goal with him as far as I'm aware.
Speaker 1: And you know, those are small parts of the deal.
Speaker 1: But sometimes a guy's just having a fire sale and
Speaker 1: getting rid of a guy that doesn't fit on that team.
Speaker 1: Maybe they changed their scheme in the offseason and they
Speaker 1: didn't just want to flat cut him. They wanted to
Speaker 1: see if they could get a draft pick for him,
Speaker 1: get some capital back. And then you got teams that
Speaker 1: stock up draft picks just for this reason so they
Speaker 1: can go make deals and everything. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways to look at it. But it's hard
Speaker 1: just to say, you know, well the jet stink, so
Speaker 1: maybe we should go trade for Jamal Adams because people
Speaker 1: think that our safeties aren't playing well enough. It doesn't
Speaker 1: work that way. You know, first of all, the player
Speaker 1: has to be available, and then you have to have
Speaker 1: the capital to acquire him and to where it makes
Speaker 1: sense for both teams. Um. You know, that's that's the
Speaker 1: beauty of the salary cap. I mean, it's designed to
Speaker 1: help provide parody. You know, it works in some ways,
Speaker 1: and some people are better at manipulating it than others are. Okay,
Speaker 1: I lied, but I'm blaming this last question on you.
Speaker 1: More question. You brought it up. So I want to
Speaker 1: ask this something I didn't want to know Amari deal
Speaker 1: last year when that started to go down, Were you
Speaker 1: guys involved because you're giving up a first round pick?
Speaker 1: Were you guys involved in the decision making process, like,
Speaker 1: do is there someone in the first round that we're
Speaker 1: looking at value? Oh? Definitely is that a big group
Speaker 1: to the value the Amari as a pro player. The
Speaker 1: evaluation work was done mostly by our pro guys and everything,
Speaker 1: but it Will certainly came to us and said, what's
Speaker 1: the strength of the draft? What do the receivers look
Speaker 1: like coming out this year? Is there a guy that
Speaker 1: we could possibly get in the first round they can
Speaker 1: bring us what Amar could bring us? And you know,
Speaker 1: that was one of the things we looked at and
Speaker 1: said probably not. You know, there were some talented receivers,
Speaker 1: but worthy of the caliber that Amar is we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't think so. So that did play into our
Speaker 1: decision in trying to trying to make that deal. You
Speaker 1: know it definitely we certainly looked towards the future at
Speaker 1: at what would be available in April, and uh, you
Speaker 1: know there were some good players there, but the deal
Speaker 1: came together to where it made sense to to go
Speaker 1: get Amari here and now. And I mean he helped
Speaker 1: help flip the switch on the on the season last
Speaker 1: year for us. And I mean you see what he's
Speaker 1: done when he's on the field for us. He's a
Speaker 1: phenomenal football player. So well, man, we know you're busy.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for stopping by. It's always a pleasure. Yep.
Speaker 1: We can do it more often. We need like an hour.
Speaker 1: We need the room who show the magic real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we appreciate your stall. Be We don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell we're gonna talk about the second half of the show,
Speaker 1: so tune in callers due to respond to what my
Speaker 1: man Chris Halls said. Okay, open up the bones call us.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get those other four guys you shout
Speaker 1: out yesterday. Oh we'll be right back on hand m
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Speaker 1: to you to argue someone who who's your name? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: no no. The reason I wanted some callers, man, because
Speaker 1: we we told, we promised the people us today we
Speaker 1: had we act like we was gonna really, you know,
Speaker 1: get involved with the people. And that's why I kind
Speaker 1: of stayed back. And first off, like between me and Jesse,
Speaker 1: they may not get opportunity once we get the rolling
Speaker 1: and Bloyd, behold, who you shid the show down? I
Speaker 1: was six minutes I did show down? Man? How good
Speaker 1: was Chris? Like? That was great? That was great? That
Speaker 1: was that was awesome. And think about him, y'all, you guys,
Speaker 1: you see me first and foremost, I'm about the team,
Speaker 1: and y'all was the questions y'all were presenting. I'm like,
Speaker 1: by the time I get him my little question, I
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't gonna go the way I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Because the more I thought about it, the more he
Speaker 1: was telling us they don't have time to break this
Speaker 1: team down. So who breaks this team brow? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But man, it's just I think people
Speaker 1: sometimes they don't realize all that's going on, and they think, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Scots are just sitting up there playing Candy Crush, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's like, you know, and Chris
Speaker 1: said it, you know, they said, you know, I'm over
Speaker 1: the whole Texas and you know, in order to find
Speaker 1: your Patrick Cratons in northwest Oklahoma, like you know, like
Speaker 1: you know you got that's that's churning over Rocks, the Amari's,
Speaker 1: the Jalens. Yeah, you ain't gotta go far to see them, right.
Speaker 1: Those guys have been talked about since the Little League. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you you heard about Zeke when he was in high school.
Speaker 1: You're about so that name, You're like, well, we know
Speaker 1: this guy. But when you go, when you find you're
Speaker 1: Patrick Cratons, when you go and you find your you know,
Speaker 1: your Byron Jones at Connecticut or you're going, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, when you're going find these different dudes
Speaker 1: who wasn't on the radar or may not have been,
Speaker 1: or had the biggest name that can come into this
Speaker 1: league and make a tremendous impact, Guys like you know,
Speaker 1: Barry Church, Eric Williams, Eric story set. No, I'm telling
Speaker 1: Eric Williams, I can't think the pro scout over John Wooten.
Speaker 1: We used to go for a little walks, you know,
Speaker 1: at Valley Range. You used to go for a little walks.
Speaker 1: Who you know? Who you who? You know? I'm found
Speaker 1: that you think is so great in the draft offensive line,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm feeling myself right now. They say, man,
Speaker 1: I found this dude at this small college. Sence said,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia kid. He mean he tough, he or crushed folks,
Speaker 1: and he really was two players there. It was Deepn's
Speaker 1: man that wind up with the Eagles. And he said, man,
Speaker 1: when draft call, man, I'm gonna be all over this kid.
Speaker 1: He said. People ain't valuing him like I'm valuing and man,
Speaker 1: he literally had to get up on the table and
Speaker 1: tell coach Johnson, I got this kid, Eric Williams, he
Speaker 1: is the next it. Y'all gotta get him. And they
Speaker 1: was gonna try to pass him one more time. He
Speaker 1: got up on the table like, nah, yeah, I'll put
Speaker 1: my job on the line for this kid and the
Speaker 1: restless history. Man. Hey, William was a beast. You hear me,
Speaker 1: a beast? See the strongest, most aggressive guy you ever
Speaker 1: played around. Not the strongest, but the most aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not the strongest, Very Adams the strongest man I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life. But I'm telling you, man, he
Speaker 1: gave seventy five percent of the NFC's the concussion protocol.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you started with him. I'm serious, man. It's
Speaker 1: funny that that biggest bull that he talked about, he
Speaker 1: saw Patrick cratonat so when he said they canceled it,
Speaker 1: I laughed, because they canceled it year. I was supposed
Speaker 1: to go to it. I promised because I was training
Speaker 1: in Phoenix, Arizona, and everything all setting ready to go,
Speaker 1: and they canceled and I had I had a choice
Speaker 1: between two games, and I was like Vegas. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to Vegas for a couple of days. And they
Speaker 1: canceled it. So they canceled the two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: the year I was coming out. Man, where did you
Speaker 1: go after college? Were you free agent? Yeah? I was
Speaker 1: undropped the free agent Cincinnati. You went straight to Cincinnati
Speaker 1: after that. And I also laughed because he talked about
Speaker 1: you know that free agency, you know that preferred free agency,
Speaker 1: that rookie type thing. He talked about the money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um yeah. I was a poor kid out of New
Speaker 1: Jersey and I stupidly of me, I chased the money
Speaker 1: instead of chasing the situation because literally the minutes that
Speaker 1: I mean like, I was at my cousins sweet sixteen
Speaker 1: and the draft ended and my phone begin to blow up,
Speaker 1: my agents calling him. He's like the Rams, Baltimore, Atlanta, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, cool, what are they offering?
Speaker 1: And he said, you know they're all I think the
Speaker 1: Rams Baltimore were was offering like fifteen thousand, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's it. And then Cincinnati came about and
Speaker 1: I think they gave me like five thousand more. And
Speaker 1: I was just so dumb. I was so dumb because
Speaker 1: I should have went to the Rams or Baltimore, but
Speaker 1: I went to cinc. And they had Chad Johnson, T J. Hushman,
Speaker 1: Zada God Russia Soul now Chris Henry. So they had
Speaker 1: three receivers right there. I had no concept of special team.
Speaker 1: They had a guy out of the name of Tad Perry.
Speaker 1: Out of UCLA who was really a special teams dude.
Speaker 1: So they had about like four dudes already that was
Speaker 1: locked and the special team right, the receivers and a
Speaker 1: special team's guy, and I had so for five dat
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to sit the dullest thing
Speaker 1: I remember, dum dumbest thing done. And again you gotta
Speaker 1: remember this is this is oh, this is twelve years ago.
Speaker 1: So all this whole three four or five receiver sets,
Speaker 1: they weren't doing that. They were lining up tight end,
Speaker 1: full back, two receivers. So Jokers wasn't keeping six seven
Speaker 1: receivers on the roster. It was like four maybe five.
Speaker 1: That was a special teams guy, right, So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they kept they had one of
Speaker 1: one of the guys from LSU Scylar Green. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was their returner. So they had like a special teams guy,
Speaker 1: all core special teams guy, and they had Skylar Green
Speaker 1: was the returner. And so I ended up making, you know,
Speaker 1: making the practice squad. But I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at it. The guy who came behind me, who was
Speaker 1: like my second starting at college. He ended up going
Speaker 1: to the Rams the next year and spent like four
Speaker 1: or five years with them, like the team on the team,
Speaker 1: like active, like no practice squad, and he like he
Speaker 1: was one of those kids who hated a ball, but
Speaker 1: he just was good at it. So people Rememberody kept
Speaker 1: telling him play and I remember like visiting he was.
Speaker 1: We were in Miami at the same time. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like playing. He's like, but the money's
Speaker 1: too good. So he didn't even want to play, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to play. I should have went
Speaker 1: to I should have went to the RAM to Saint
Speaker 1: Louis at that time. What you told it before? What
Speaker 1: was your story? I stopped based sold out for the
Speaker 1: money too, But I'm gonna tell us here it wasn't
Speaker 1: to where in the world. I was gonna make the
Speaker 1: washing risk. And they just come from playing in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Then next year they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Many they office the line set and then back then
Speaker 1: it was keeping like seven guys eight guys, so you know,
Speaker 1: and then they got the drafted the guy big Henry
Speaker 1: Winkloud of Wisconsin, who was garbage. Henry. If y'at there,
Speaker 1: you still garbage anyway. Anyway, they hid him. They hid him.
Speaker 1: He know her garbage. I love you though. You can
Speaker 1: say that, you can say that you've been to the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl six times, you got through the range. You
Speaker 1: can start calling folks garbage. But now it's only one person.
Speaker 1: And I'm joking with Henry, but there's only one coach
Speaker 1: you ever hear me say anything bad about? And that
Speaker 1: was the coach, the great coach y'all for the for
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, his son, Dave whatever. That's the only
Speaker 1: guy you would really let me say, man, And not
Speaker 1: because where he treated me, but the way he treated Troy. See,
Speaker 1: I was looking for no love. You know. You know
Speaker 1: you can tweet me a college grub, a wing. The
Speaker 1: rains got me. Yeah, I just saw it in meetings
Speaker 1: before games, and Troy's our starter, and me and Troy
Speaker 1: and all we saw out of eye, so it one
Speaker 1: like we were boys and nothing. But this is the quarterback. Yeah, hey, Troy,
Speaker 1: what play you think for this? And the Troy would
Speaker 1: give a play, Oh that's good. Then he would ask
Speaker 1: the other guy what and then he would do say
Speaker 1: something a little bit better, and instead of him saying Troy,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you know and soothing it, he would
Speaker 1: be point blank without quarterback. I'm like, wow, how you
Speaker 1: want to respect quarterback? Are you talking to him this way? Right?
Speaker 1: And so? But Mike Urban checking, I'm glad Mike Urban checking, like, man,
Speaker 1: that's our quarterback. That blew, that's you know the other
Speaker 1: golf here. I played with it too, But this is
Speaker 1: our quarterback. So don't don't lose that. Whatever you got
Speaker 1: for him, keep it because he gonna be the one day.
Speaker 1: Either pat you on the back when the coach hey
Speaker 1: passing bout? Who's thinking about that? Either? Gonna get it
Speaker 1: junior season, you know, two of your season. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get back on track and take another quick break.
Speaker 1: And when we come back, can we get one call? Who?
Speaker 1: Why are you gonna call some one? Call? Oh? By
Speaker 1: the way, there's this show is not on the air tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're doing this abbreviated um Shannon when he cut everybody show,
Speaker 1: this has nothing to Shannon cut everybody. I was trying
Speaker 1: to cut myself out of here. Tomorrow. Cut out, you
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Speaker 1: a good deal. Come out here, eat, walk around, shop,
Speaker 1: watch the game, bring the family. When we're taking our
Speaker 1: show in the row, it's a great question. My question. Um,
Speaker 1: now we can set something up, we need we can
Speaker 1: figure something out. I don't know, but we are tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're doing and abbreviate no show Friday tomorrow. I'm looking
Speaker 1: up now, I'm still coming in Friday. I get that, uh,
Speaker 1: get that money. That door is gonna be a lot.
Speaker 1: Good luck getting in. You might have to break the
Speaker 1: wind out because the rule is on this show, once
Speaker 1: you walk through the threshold, you're paid. You're paid. Whether
Speaker 1: it's a ten second show or a two hour show,
Speaker 1: you're already paid. So we'll be on eleven thirty to
Speaker 1: twelve thirty tomorrow. It's gonna be me, Jesse, Nate, Nick
Speaker 1: and brought us. We're saying, this is what I do.
Speaker 1: Blow by this game. He gonna always try to work
Speaker 1: for sure. That was all Derek. That was all Derek. Derek.
Speaker 1: Derek said that email. He didn't even consult me. I
Speaker 1: was trying to get out of here early tomorrow. Now
Speaker 1: you don't want to be and he looked. He looked
Speaker 1: me in do you want to get the spot now?
Speaker 1: He can't look. Oh, man, I appreciate you. I appreciate
Speaker 1: your boss trying to get your past. Shannon Man. That
Speaker 1: cow kurtin boy, guess I don't know what he got
Speaker 1: on them, dog, I don't know what you got on them.
Speaker 1: He's our quarterback. You want to go to line to
Speaker 1: me like my quarter I gotta love a little work.
Speaker 1: Do that again? Do that again? It's my quarterback. I
Speaker 1: remember that TiO TiO did that one week in two
Speaker 1: weeks then he talked about the man like a dot.
Speaker 1: Do that one more time, play it one more time.
Speaker 1: It's my quarterback. I remember that, even got the sniffing.
Speaker 1: I'm like to really cares. And then two weeks later, yeah, crush.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, he's changed. He finally come around. He's
Speaker 1: not that guy. And then oh my god, what happened?
Speaker 1: You stopped getting the football as a receiver. You start
Speaker 1: taking a shot when you don't get that football no more?
Speaker 1: Head Shannon. That that's awesome, man, when they just stop it.
Speaker 1: I think it's the angle, because it's that angle. It
Speaker 1: it looks normal. If I'm not here, where go with this?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We've gotten all over the place. Let's
Speaker 1: do five more minutes. So let's okay. So here's some
Speaker 1: of the questions that I So here's some of the
Speaker 1: questions that I get, like on a daily people all
Speaker 1: we want to know about just this Cowboys team currently constructed.
Speaker 1: And one of the thing that I've got a lot today,
Speaker 1: um uh today was about now it's replacing Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: And it's like and let me ask, like, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you think the Cowboys should do at that position,
Speaker 1: so they continue to have Jeff Heath as they're starting.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's strong safety knowledge, playing some free
Speaker 1: safety or should they try to work in some other players,
Speaker 1: a new kid from Texas and Nan Wilson, you know, Jess,
Speaker 1: I have no answer. This is why when it comes
Speaker 1: home to I know some players thanks to Shannon, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of players and him and Kurt, but
Speaker 1: once and I didn't go to training camp, but once
Speaker 1: all these OTAs and all that, I kind of stopped
Speaker 1: going over there, and so I kind of so you
Speaker 1: don't see where a guy is mentally a physically. You
Speaker 1: just see the results on Sunday, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to you know, if I would go
Speaker 1: up to practice every day, then I would give you
Speaker 1: a country now, so je I'll be like nah nah
Speaker 1: no either yeah yeah yeah. So I don't know where
Speaker 1: he's at, and I don't know where his team is at,
Speaker 1: but I know one thing. Chris Hall was just here
Speaker 1: and he just told you how hard it is to
Speaker 1: get a stud, a stud type guy. If y'all want
Speaker 1: that playmaking change in safety, he ain't coming here because
Speaker 1: they're not gonna give a safety here over twelve million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. You can forget it. It ain't It
Speaker 1: ain't happening. And their priority of what they think makes
Speaker 1: that defense run a twelve million dollars safety is not
Speaker 1: it unless they drafted. All right, let me ask this
Speaker 1: question now, because you you've kind of answered that but
Speaker 1: spurred me to another question. There are some contracts that
Speaker 1: need to come and the next near future. Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: is one of those guys, right Byron Jones. He's one
Speaker 1: of those guys. Now there's another guy that you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to throw into this mix. Five sacks and two
Speaker 1: in six games. Robert Quinn. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was a guy who they planned on having come
Speaker 1: in here as a long term deal thing or was
Speaker 1: it just a patchwork to see if they're gonna get
Speaker 1: ready Gregory back or whatever it is. But the point
Speaker 1: of the matter is we're here now, he's solidifying himself.
Speaker 1: What do you do? What do you do? Let's just
Speaker 1: say this trees. So there's a couple of things when
Speaker 1: you look at this, and there's been some reports and
Speaker 1: I always take the National Guys reports a little bit
Speaker 1: with a grain assault because they're National guy they aren't
Speaker 1: here every day. They're not like where you start every
Speaker 1: single day. And um Amari Cooper. So there's been talking
Speaker 1: about Amari. You know, maybe he'll go take his opportunity
Speaker 1: and go see what the free and see market looks like.
Speaker 1: But if you, let's just say, for all intends of purposes,
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper signed, still deliver. It's not an if, but
Speaker 1: when he'll be a cowboy for the next five to
Speaker 1: seven years whatever. There's only but so many contracts that
Speaker 1: you can have going around. Barbe Jones he'll be twenty
Speaker 1: seven at the end of this year. Robert Quinn will
Speaker 1: be thirty. But at the pace he's going at now
Speaker 1: five sacks in six games, at this pace, he's going
Speaker 1: to have somewhere around you know, twelve, you know, twelve
Speaker 1: anywhere fifteen sacks. I'm just saying, I'm just give a
Speaker 1: take at this pace, somewhere around twelve to fifteen sacks,
Speaker 1: thirty years old. And this is a guy you're trying
Speaker 1: to pay or are you saying, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: gonna pay a corner because you heard Chris say it.
Speaker 1: You just can't find guys in the league that can
Speaker 1: be stud players and I know Byn doesn't give you
Speaker 1: the turnovers, but he also don't give you the yards either,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's the thing, like you
Speaker 1: know what, you heard his name a lot, and that's
Speaker 1: a good thing. Where you don't hear cornerback's name, that's
Speaker 1: a great thing. I am one who always feel like
Speaker 1: the d ends and the cornerbacks are on a string.
Speaker 1: Those guys get more sacks because these guys are covering better.
Speaker 1: Those guys get more turnovers and less yard thrown at
Speaker 1: them because these guys are rushing the past better. So
Speaker 1: those two guys to me are on a string. Let's
Speaker 1: just say on that list. Oh and I forgot Dak
Speaker 1: and Dad. So let's say Marie and Dak boom boom
Speaker 1: they're getting signed. Who do you sign on defense? Out
Speaker 1: of these two guys, you signed Byron Jones because I
Speaker 1: honestly don't think Byron's not taking the hometown discount. And
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn doesn't have any relationships here. The key wasn't
Speaker 1: drafted here. He you know what I'm saying, there's no
Speaker 1: he ain't been here but for a little Bill ain't
Speaker 1: like you gave a first second falling, So He's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm doing Yeah, I'm playing well for you now, but
Speaker 1: I'm also playing well for thirty one other teams because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I want to go
Speaker 1: and get paid. The franchise tag this year for a
Speaker 1: cornerback of sixteen million. The franchise tag for a defensive
Speaker 1: end this year is eighteen million, so that number will
Speaker 1: go up next year with the salary cap going up.
Speaker 1: Is there enough money to go around? And who will
Speaker 1: you sign if there's only one guy that you can
Speaker 1: sign Kurt Reidoff, who's up after this year? You've kind
Speaker 1: of in addition to the guys you've mentioned, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: m Bye bye jas don't worry. Malik Collins he no,
Speaker 1: he's Carrie Hyder. Malik might be gone because they're probably
Speaker 1: don't want to pay him about five million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Man Andrew Brown Nthew Brown. Yeah. I mean, you've got
Speaker 1: several guys on that defense that are gonna be but
Speaker 1: they still have See Christian Covington. I don't think, I
Speaker 1: just I don't think Byron's gonna take a hometown discount.
Speaker 1: Neither is Robert Quinn. Neither's Robert Quinn. I don't think
Speaker 1: either one of them. And from what it's sounding like,
Speaker 1: and I have just heard the rumor meal like everybody else,
Speaker 1: it sounds like amor he's wanting to see what he
Speaker 1: could get, so he's maybe not taking a hometown discount.
Speaker 1: None of those guys, is even of the guys that
Speaker 1: the big name guys that we name are taking discounts.
Speaker 1: Right if he he want all he can get, he
Speaker 1: want every don and he needs to. And again I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, just because you don't consider
Speaker 1: Dak to be a top five quarterback in this league,
Speaker 1: he is the number one pick for this team. He
Speaker 1: is a quarterback in this league. That is all that matters.
Speaker 1: That's all that matters. I don't, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have to have thirty two teams like me, just one one, yep.
Speaker 1: And he is valuable to And you heard Chris, he said, well,
Speaker 1: when you got a quarterback, you don't kind of look
Speaker 1: for him, you know, we ain't. We ain't really kind
Speaker 1: of you know. And the thing is, Pete, pete, what
Speaker 1: you just said. Right here for our fans, repeat what
Speaker 1: Chris just said. You're not he said, when you got
Speaker 1: a quarterback as a scout. You ain't really putting a
Speaker 1: lot of fire into finding another one. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: you do, who's out there that you can go get?
Speaker 1: I mean, look, what people have tried to do with
Speaker 1: Dak is just as good, if not better, than anybody
Speaker 1: that's been let go in the last four or five years.
Speaker 1: Where do you rank that? Out of one through thirty two?
Speaker 1: Where do you rank that? Top ten? I will go,
Speaker 1: but he's at the twelve ten, he's in ten to twelve.
Speaker 1: For me, really, where do you rank? I don't know
Speaker 1: this year he's top five this year in all the stats.
Speaker 1: Where do you rank I think beginning of the year
Speaker 1: out of said ten twelve, I think to me, he's
Speaker 1: probably eight. Maybe we do that next week, Maybe we
Speaker 1: maybe we rank everybody. Let me say this and see
Speaker 1: to it make makes sense. He ranks number one because
Speaker 1: you starting quarterback for the DA for your ten That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, so you know, did you have
Speaker 1: no other option? You have backed yourself into this corner
Speaker 1: one way you see that that this is the problem.
Speaker 1: They do have other options, And he answered that we
Speaker 1: can reset. You can always reset. Listen when you reset,
Speaker 1: like that's a when you reset quarterback. Think about think
Speaker 1: about what I'm What I'm trying to say is like
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, they reset, got rid of Josh, but then
Speaker 1: it's fifty fifteen. You don't know. Listen to me. They
Speaker 1: reset and got rid of a guy that was was
Speaker 1: a first round pick way higher than you know. You
Speaker 1: can reset depending on who you have, But are you
Speaker 1: ready for what transpired between the Troy Aikman and the
Speaker 1: next guy? You ready for what happened between Roger and Troy?
Speaker 1: It's it's it could be a long reset. Now you
Speaker 1: we were grown in and grinding about. It's been twenty
Speaker 1: five years and but we've had some success and the
Speaker 1: twenty five years, but before I got here, before Troy
Speaker 1: got here, we ain't had no success. It was ugly man.
Speaker 1: We haven't had any sex twenty five years. Who that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have had they have. He's been able to
Speaker 1: hold their head up. It's some teams they ain't been
Speaker 1: able to hold up. Yeah. Yeah, what I'm saying what
Speaker 1: we've had three playoff appendances. But what I'm saying is first,
Speaker 1: this team for the first time and I don't know
Speaker 1: how many years, Jesse I think has a core that
Speaker 1: if they're mature, right. If they're mature, right, can be
Speaker 1: something special. Yeah. But but look at the guys we
Speaker 1: just talked about. There's a lot of guys in that core. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: that's gonna cost you some coins. Yeah, that core comes
Speaker 1: with coins. That's why we had already and you've already
Speaker 1: given up one hundred and eighty five million dollars this
Speaker 1: year for that core. That's why we got Chris Hollands
Speaker 1: where he can go out and find future coin. No,
Speaker 1: he need he needed, I'm saying, guys, he need to
Speaker 1: play for cheat. Yeah he can be. When these guys
Speaker 1: get a little older and we've called them up out
Speaker 1: of here, like like England Patriots on them up out.
Speaker 1: Think about what the Cowboys just signed for the guys
Speaker 1: this year. Two guys one hundred and eighty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: Two guys won't eat that up next year, Amari. And
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a hundred that's probably another eighty five
Speaker 1: million dollars million, and two guys they got a core
Speaker 1: guys this year from hundred eighty five million, two guys
Speaker 1: gonna eat up one hundred eighty five million dollars next year.
Speaker 1: And I ain't counting Quinn, and I ain't counting up
Speaker 1: Um or Malik or Anthony Brown or Joe Thomas or
Speaker 1: whoever else. But this is the amazing thing. Some of
Speaker 1: these guys, and I don't know which one now they
Speaker 1: they ain't saying they're gonna sign with Dallas. One or
Speaker 1: two of these guys can't get a shock because they're
Speaker 1: aging them telling them one thing. Because this is one
Speaker 1: thing I had to learn the hardway. Other teams scout too,
Speaker 1: and other teams have vagus and set numbers on guys too.
Speaker 1: Now you maybe Cincinnati or the team that's really really
Speaker 1: hurting and they're trying to show their fan base something.
Speaker 1: You better hope one of those. Hope one of those
Speaker 1: teams out, because if it's not a couple of these
Speaker 1: guys gonna get shot, I'm gonna take one. That's it.
Speaker 1: You want to say, I just didn't want to say.
Speaker 1: Come on, you want thirty? Yeah, come come on, because
Speaker 1: because a lot of times, like New England, people think
Speaker 1: I don't know why and it doesn't show well. People
Speaker 1: think if he was with New England, he come to
Speaker 1: us to be all right? With Dallas, he come us
Speaker 1: to be out and it don't always work out that. Yes,
Speaker 1: we gotta go, fellas, let's row We're off Friday, joint
Speaker 1: show tomorrow, no show Monday. Man, it's gonna be damn
Speaker 1: near a week before we're back together. Ye tell Kylins
Speaker 1: all right, you know it's all right. You know that
Speaker 1: we can cut the show off once you say it,
Speaker 1: because he ain't gonna do nothing we say. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, Kyle, the first part of the show today
Speaker 1: you were gone. I did. Yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kyle, Yeah, yeah, thank you Kyle. Boys, Kyle's got
Speaker 1: to deal with you for one hour a day. He's
Speaker 1: got to deal with me for like eight hours a day.
Speaker 1: I love you, Kyle. We love you too, Kyle, Kurt,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Jessie, see you tomorrow, Nate, see
Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Kyle, Thanks for having my back. Where you at? Kayton?
Speaker 1: I love you, Kayten, stay away, William, We'll be back Tuesday.
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