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Speaker 1: Love la. Hello, welcome to the Naughty but Night Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rob Shooter. And if I sound a

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Speaker 1: Bra happy new Yeah, my friend. We were both traveling.

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Speaker 1: And I went back and I listened to one of

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Speaker 1: is it my friends and tea time big story at

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Speaker 1: Alan Jackson, who I've known for a while, he's a

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Speaker 2: And I'm so happy to be reporting the story. It's

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Speaker 1: about it. Mark, you're an awfully nice guy. You're a

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