1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: Well we did it, Sherry, we did it. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: This is shocking that we're actually able to record because 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 3: we've tried what three. 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: Times now, yeah, three times. 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 3: Sometimes I have this experience where it's just like, for 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: whatever reason, the universe is like, no, no, it not today, 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: this is not your day. And we had some mercury 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: retrograde stuff. We also just had some scheduling issues. 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: But we made it. We're here. Thanks for having me. 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for being here. 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 3: So I've actually talked to the listeners a little bit 14 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 3: about I call you my brain therapist. 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: It works. 16 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, every time I talk about it, people are like, 17 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 3: you're what you're going to wear? So I want to 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: give the listeners a little background. And I think when 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: I initially talked to you about this when we were 20 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: doing an actual session. It's come to mind for me 21 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: a lot because just in Nashville, it feels heavy lately 22 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: after the gun violence that we had a couple of 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: weeks go, and I think, just like in general, the 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 3: last couple of years. 25 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: Have rocked people. 26 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: So I like to give the listeners any insight into 27 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: maybe the impact some of that stuff has had on us, 28 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: and then some of the ways that they can go 29 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: about finding different facilitators if they are struggling. Sure, that's 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 3: why you're here today. So let's go back and let's 31 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: just kind of give the basics of what I do 32 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: with you. Is called lens neurofeedback therapy. 33 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: Is that correct? It's low energy neurofeedback. 34 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't even know what that yes, okay, okay, 35 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: So can you tell listeners what that is? 36 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: Sure? 37 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 4: Low energy neurofeedback is There's two systems in your brain. 38 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: One's chemical and one's electrical. The chemical is the one 39 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: that most people address first if you go to a 40 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 4: traditional doctor or that's where the dopamine and the serotonin. 41 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: So you might end up on any anti anxiety or 42 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 4: an anti depression med it's typically because there's a chemical imbalance. 43 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: But there's another system in the brain, and that's the 44 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 4: electrical system. The electrical system is just as important. It 45 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: plays a vital part in sending the information to different 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: parts of your brain and keeping you in a focused, 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 4: happy state, as well as well as being able to 48 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: navigate through life in a different way. So what happens 49 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: is when there's trauma in the brain and the brain 50 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 4: can't tell the difference between physical trauma and emotional trauma. 51 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 4: But when there's trauma, the brain will reroute those electrical 52 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: patterns around the trauma in an effort to continue sending 53 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 4: the information appropriately. 54 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: But when that. 55 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: Reroutes a lot of time, what happens is the information 56 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: doesn't get through as clearly as it should. So low 57 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 4: energy neurofeedback, what we do is we put two clips 58 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: on your ear and then we're sending a signal in 59 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 4: at one and a half hurts, which is about six 60 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: hundred times less than your cell phone. But when I 61 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 4: send that signal in, what happens is it stimulates the 62 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: brain wave to come up out of the groove that 63 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: it's created and move into a more efficient pattern. 64 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: Okay, So that's so fascinating to me. We have the 65 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 3: two different types. So when we're seeking like a dopamine hit, 66 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with. 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: The electrical wiring. That's a chemical right, that's. 68 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: The chemical right, Okay. And so when I first came 69 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: to you, I was just felt like I was in 70 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: a haze all the time, and you were like, we're 71 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: just gonna like wake your brain back up because it 72 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: basically had rewired itself. 73 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: That's right. 74 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 4: It can rerouted around traumas, and traumas is what your 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: brain perceives at the moment that it happens. It doesn't 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: have to be this big, ugly, horrible thing that you 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 4: saw or experienced. It can just be stress, it can 78 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: be just trying to deal with life. You just kind 79 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: of push down the feelings and you kind of move 80 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: around them, and so after a while, your brain kind 81 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: of looks like spaghetti. It's rerouting around all these things 82 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 4: and things just aren't running efficiently anymore. 83 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: So, like, what kind of condition are you seeing? I said, 84 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: I felt just in a haze, but other things? What 85 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: are other things are you seeing that your patients come in. 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: With depression, anxiety, sleep problems, add ADHD, migraines, forgetfulness. I mean, 87 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 4: there's a variety of things anything that you kind of 88 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: think of chemically. The electrical system has a part in 89 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: that to do as well. 90 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 3: So okay, my question would be, then are we born 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: like you said ADHD for example, I've always understood ADHD 92 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: to be something that you were just born with, and 93 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: that was just your wiring, But is that something we 94 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: acquire over time in our brain. It's like a coping 95 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: mechanism almost, or like, how do I guess I'm trying 96 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: to figure out how this therapy would help with that. Sure, 97 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: if it's just in your wiring. 98 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: While you're using the word wiring and we're talking about electricity, 99 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: so it does have a lot to do with it. Typically, 100 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: what we see with ADD and ADHD is the frontal 101 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 4: lobe is very quiet. It's a sleep. It's genuinely a sleep. 102 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 4: And so when you go in and you give it 103 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 4: something like adderall, that's a stimulant, and so that stimulant 104 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 4: goes in and wakes that up, which is great because 105 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 4: then you can focus. But the problem is it overstimulates 106 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 4: the other parts of your brain that weren't a sleep, 107 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 4: So then people will have the side effects like not 108 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 4: being able to sleep or eat, or becoming hyper focused 109 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: on something or OCD thoughts. That's because the brain is 110 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 4: overstimulated in other parts. So when we use the electrical system, 111 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 4: what we're doing is going in and waking up that 112 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 4: frontal lobe, getting those electrical systems working better. Yeah, so 113 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 4: then you don't need the chemical anymore. 114 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's fascinating. I always say, like, throwing 115 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: medicine at stuff doesn't feel right to me because I 116 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: feel like a lot. I mean, I mean, I know 117 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: it's useful in some situations, sure, but it's like I 118 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: feel like when you read about even the side effects 119 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: of medicine, it's like, you're gonna get better on this, 120 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: but then you're gonna have all these other shoes and 121 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 3: so like what you just describe makes total sense to me, 122 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: because you want to wake up that one space, but 123 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: then you have all these other things that are impacted 124 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 3: in your body that aren't necessarily good reaction. 125 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: Correct. 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: There is a place for modern medicine, absolutely, and I'm 127 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: not there to say that we can't ever use it. 128 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 4: But that's not always the solution, and it shouldn't be 129 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 4: the first solution. 130 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: So I was listening to a podcast yesterday and they 132 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: were talking about it was beta, gamma, these words that 133 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 3: I was like, I've heard Sherry say these things, but 134 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: I don't really Delta that was the other one. 135 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: Can you talk about that a little bit? Like, because I. 136 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: Keep using the words, my brain just goes to sleep. Sure, 137 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: but can you do the technical and. 138 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: I say you're in delta. 139 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So the frequency of the wave, that's what 140 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 4: they're talking about. So delta is what genuinely puts you 141 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 4: to sleep at night. When you crawl into bed and 142 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: you close your eyes and you're drifting off. That's delta. Okay, 143 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 4: that's where you should be. Beta is the next one. 144 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: Theta's kind of like when you're in a dream like state. 145 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: You're awake, but you're not really having to focus on anything. 146 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: You might be watching TV and just kind of drifting off. 147 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: You might just be looking out at nature, and that's 148 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 4: kind of the theta. Then we move into alpha. Alpha 149 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: is when you're engaged. You're not overly working, but you're 150 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: on focus with things. You can listen to things and 151 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: report back. And then you move into beta, and beta 152 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: is when you're really crunching. Right now, we're in beta 153 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: because we're thinking about what we want to talk about 154 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 4: and you're thinking about what you want to respond with. 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: That's beta. 156 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: There's different times in different places for all of them. 157 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: They're all important. But the problem is if say you're 158 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: in delta all the time, then you're basically sleepwalking, so 159 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 4: things don't feel clear. It's kind of like if I 160 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: were to come and wake you up in the middle 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: of the night and say, hey, let's talk about some 162 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: really deep dark subject, your brain would be going, what 163 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: is happening? But that's what happens when you're walking around 164 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: in delta all the times orbing the information, but it doesn't. 165 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: It kind of almost feels surreal, like it's not really 166 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: knocking in there. So we want to wake that up, 167 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: and using low energy neuero feedback, we're able to do that. 168 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: We're able to stimulate that brain and get it out 169 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: of delta and get it working more efficiently. 170 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I remember literally feeling like and you told 171 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: me this was one specific part of my brain that 172 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: had just been asleep, but I would be starting a 173 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: sentence and then I just couldn't finish. 174 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: It right because I was so out of it. 175 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: All the time, And it did feel like sleepwalking, Like 176 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: I was awake, I was here, and there were moments 177 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: that I was experiencing some sense of normalcy. 178 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: But I almost wonder. 179 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: If it was just like because I had felt that before, 180 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: I knew how it felt, you know, like I really 181 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: didn't feel connected to my life. That makes sense, right, 182 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: That's that delta way. 183 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was. 184 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: Just asleep, like you literally told me, I think ninety 185 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: five percent of my brain was asleep. 186 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you had nineteen out of twenty one 187 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: sites that were in delta. 188 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: So that's wild. 189 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: Okay, So let's talk about what happens when you come 190 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: in to see you. And it's because the way we 191 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: figured out even that so much of my brain was 192 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: asleep was because you set me up and we did 193 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: this map thing. 194 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: Right. 195 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 4: So what I do is I put two clips on 196 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: your ear on's aground and one's a reference, and then 197 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 4: I'm going around to each of the twenty one different 198 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 4: places that we're specifically working on with the brain, I'm 199 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: sending in a radio wave at one and a half hurts. 200 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 4: That's enough to stimulate that brain wave. So I send 201 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: in at what I know is a guaranteed one and 202 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: a half hurts and the brain responds back. So once 203 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: we've done all twenty one of those spots, and I'm 204 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: only on each one for about five seconds, so it 205 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: doesn't take very long. But once we've gotten that feedback, 206 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: then I'm able to take a look at the map 207 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 4: and I can tell what's working well, what might not 208 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 4: be working as well as it should be, and what 209 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: we need to do to move forward. I'm able to 210 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 4: see how much is in delta, how much is in theatan, 211 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 4: and so on, and it just gives us an idea 212 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: of what we need to. 213 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: Do to move forward. I love the maps because I 214 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: think they're very validating. 215 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: Are I mean, I think hearing it from you, my 216 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: experience was like you said, oh my god, look at this. 217 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 3: This is just completely asleep and you could show me. 218 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 3: It was the most relief that I think I felt 219 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: in a couple of years, honestly because I had experienced 220 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 3: so many things back to back to back. I also 221 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 3: had COVID multiple times, and we'll get into that too. 222 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: But like I felt like I was crazy and I 223 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: was stuck. Like I was just feeling this feeling of 224 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: will I ever feel like myself again? And I just 225 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: don't feel like myself. I couldn't work the way that 226 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: I knew I was capable of. Like I'm a very 227 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: driven person, I couldn't. I just didn't want to be 228 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: around people. Everything was like there was no self starting 229 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: and I'm usually really good at that. 230 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: So to hear you say. 231 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: Well, your brains asleep no wonder because everything felt like 232 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: so much effort all the time, and so it just 233 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: needed to be woken up and like helped put back 234 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 3: on the right path, I think, is what you explained 235 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: to me. 236 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at you now, and look. 237 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm halfway awake still. I think 238 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: we woke up earlierly to try to do this. But yeah, 239 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: so can you do one more description of because one 240 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: thing that was really validating for me was like we 241 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 3: talked about those pathways and we've touched on this a 242 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: little bit, but whenever you experience something traumatic, you said, 243 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: something will like pop up and then we push it 244 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: down and our brain just tries to like go around 245 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 3: like a pothole. 246 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: It is. It's a potful. 247 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 4: If you think about all of these brain waves, and 248 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 4: there are hundreds of thousands of neurotransmitters in your brain 249 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 4: and they're all on different paths trying to get to 250 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: the same place. The information comes in through your eyes 251 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: and your ears, but it actually starts in the very 252 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 4: back part of your brain, down towards your brainstem, and 253 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: it moves forward. So when that information should be running 254 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 4: in the same direction, same speed, and everything should be 255 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 4: running efficiently. But when there's a pothole, what it does 256 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: is it reroutes around that. I always use the example 257 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: in the office. If you're eight years old and you're 258 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 4: on the playground and somebody's picking on you. That's traumatic 259 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 4: to an eight year old. You as an adult can 260 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 4: say as big a deal, or somebody that's never had 261 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: that trauma can say, ah, that's not that big a deal. 262 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 4: But that eight year old is really worried about going 263 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 4: back to the playground the next day. So they push 264 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 4: down that feeling because it's big and it's ugly and 265 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 4: it's scary. Well, now, when the brain waves come up, 266 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: it can't go over that or it would trigger it. 267 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 4: So it creates that new pathway. So that happens when 268 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: you're eight, but then things happen when you're ten and 269 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 4: twelve and twenty, and life happens. There's a lot of 270 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 4: things that we can talk about in talk therapy or 271 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 4: talk about with your friends or whatever, and you do 272 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: get through those traumas, but there's lots of little things 273 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 4: that get left behind. So when we're rerouting and trying 274 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 4: to get the brain working back efficiently, what it does 275 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 4: is it lifts the feeling that got stuck behind, not 276 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 4: necessarily the memory, but the feeling that came up. So typically, 277 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: as we're starting to move things, you might feel anger, 278 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 4: or you might feel sadness, or you might feel grief. 279 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 4: Those are feelings that you push down and didn't want 280 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: to deal with, and they just kind of come up, 281 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: and they're coming as a bubble. It's not like you 282 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: have this overwhelming urge of anger, but it's just like, ooh, 283 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: where did that come from? 284 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: And then it's gone. It's literally disappears. 285 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: And so if you do remember something that would have 286 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: evoked that feeling, the memory isn't attached to it anymore. 287 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: That is the case, Like this time you do a session, 288 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: maybe a day or two after, I would be feeling 289 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of an after effect. And this doesn't 290 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: happen every time. It was more at the beginning. And 291 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: I think you told me it was because I had 292 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: suppressed stuff so much, which is wild, because I do 293 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: a lot, Like I thought, of all people, I wouldn't 294 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: be suppressing necessarily because I do a lot of therapy. 295 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: I do twelve step groups, you know, like I talk 296 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: things out. But like you said, I was maybe pushing 297 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 3: the feelings down because it can get to be too 298 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: much over time, and so whenever that comes up. Now, 299 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: like I can think about stuff logically and I don't 300 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: feel like it's going to kill me or send me 301 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: into a panic attack necessarily, Like I'm just not associating 302 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 3: a feeling. So why do our brains do that? Like, 303 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: I'm just so fascinated by our brains because on small things, 304 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: maybe like the first time as an eight year old 305 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: that you go through something, we can kind of like 306 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: work our way through it, or like our brain can 307 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: heal itself. But then is it just over time, after 308 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: so many things, it just has to start suppressing because 309 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: it's too much. 310 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: It's how your brain deals with things. 311 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: You know what fight or flight is? 312 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: Yes, fight or flight was designed for our bodies to 313 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 4: get us out of imminent danger when there is something. 314 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 4: If there's a grizzly bear coming at you, your heart 315 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: rate increases, your thinking gets really fast, you can move 316 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: a lot quicker, and it's supposed to be there so 317 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 4: that you can get out of that imminent danger. When 318 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: things are perceived that way, and we don't move through it. 319 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: When there's a situation that's happening and it happens all 320 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: the time. When something is chronic or can insistent, our 321 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: brain goes into what's called fight flight or freeze. Freeze 322 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: is what happens when it just literally locks up. Things 323 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: are too big, too scary. I don't know what to do, 324 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 4: So I'm just in that frozen pattern. When that freeze happens, 325 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: everything shuts down. Everything gets really rigid, The brain waves 326 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: get rigid, your way of thinking gets rigid, and you 327 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 4: don't realize that at the time that you're not moving 328 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,239 Speaker 4: beyond it. But when you're in that frozen pattern, everything 329 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 4: starts to become frozen. 330 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's our reaction. 331 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: What are you seeing as far as we mentioned the 332 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: gun violence stuff happening specifically a Nashville, but I mean 333 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: this is across the nation too. There's just so much 334 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: happening all the time. Are you seeing people come in 335 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: and just constant fight or flight or in such big 336 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: trauma reactions that they're not functioning Like, is it gone 337 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: on a rise? 338 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: It absolutely has gone on a rise. And I have 339 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: my own opinions on that. Obviously, when something traumatic like 340 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 4: that happens. We're having that here in our own community 341 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 4: right now. You ought to go into freeze. 342 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: Oh what if? 343 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what a freeze is supposed to do. So 344 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: we've got to go in there and calm the brain down. 345 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 4: And not everybody has to come in and see me 346 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: to be able to do that, but you have to 347 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: be cognizant. 348 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: WHOA, I'm there. 349 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 4: I need to do some breathing, or I need to 350 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: get out in nature, I need to have some conversations. 351 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 4: I need to do something to get me out of that. 352 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: But I'm also finding the twenty four news cycle has 353 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: been a big one for me because I think that 354 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: we weren't designed to be in trauma all the time. 355 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: And when there's a twenty four hour loop of news, 356 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: there isn't twenty four hours worth of news. 357 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: Happening all the time. 358 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: So the news is designed to engage you, and they 359 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 4: do it with loud voices and big things. And when 360 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: there's a twenty minute loop and every twenty minutes you're 361 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 4: hearing yeah, pretty soon your brain doesn't know it's not 362 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 4: happening every twenty minute, so your brain goes, oh, oh, 363 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 4: let's take cover, and it goes into that frozen position. 364 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: So I think the news part of it has a 365 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: lot to do with it. I think social media has 366 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 4: a lot to do with it. 367 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: I'm not against. 368 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 4: Social media, but I think you have to be aware 369 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: that it's not reality. What you're watching is only a 370 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: small little glimpse into somebody's life or somebody's thing, and 371 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 4: when people start to compare their lives to what they 372 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: think they're seeing, reality becomes very askewed in the brain. 373 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: And again, the brain doesn't know that's not real. It 374 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 4: can only go with what it sees. 375 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a big part of it. Video games 376 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: is another thing. 377 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 4: Again, not anti video games, but I have seen such 378 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: a rise, especially in kids with anger issues, and I 379 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: think so much of it's coming from video games. There's 380 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: so many things that I think we're just being exposed 381 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: to on a daily basis, and we're getting away from 382 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: walking in the park and playing outside and getting the 383 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: natural sources of dopamine and serotonin that we Yeah. 384 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we talked about this last week on the podcast. 385 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: I have a co host on Fridays, and we gave 386 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: our opinions about exactly what you just said, and most 387 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 3: of it was it's the oversaturation all the time. Like 388 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: it's like what you said about the news wanting to 389 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: just catch our attention or social media even like since 390 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: the Covenant shooting happened, it's like I can't take that 391 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: in all the time. It's just so much about everyone 392 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: posting about what to do, which is great. I'm glad 393 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: people are like wanting to be active. However, my brain 394 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: can't handle that, and so we said protect your brains. 395 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: And I think so much we're just unconsciously walking around 396 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 3: not thinking about what we're absorbing. So it is important 397 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: you're validating that right now. 398 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. 399 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: I love that you mentioned too, to go get the 400 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: natural chemical things like walking, walking has saved my life's 401 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 3: the pandemic, I mean, getting the vitamin D and all 402 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: of that stuff. It's to me, it's all of these 403 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 3: different ways to like regulate my nervous system. Yep, that 404 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: I wouldn't think are doing that, but they're very important. 405 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: Right, Oh, fifteen twenty minutes This is really interesting, But 406 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: fifteen or twenty minutes of walking, and it doesn't have 407 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 4: to be a fast walk, it doesn't have to be 408 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: done for exercise, but just fifteen or twenty minutes actually 409 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: activates the chemicals from your gut to your brain. Eighty 410 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: five percent of all the chemicals that make you happy, 411 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: the dopamine, the serotone, and the oxytocin, all the things 412 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 4: that they try to supplement through medication all come from 413 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 4: your gut. So if your gut's not healthy, your brain's 414 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 4: not healthy, and it's all regulated through there. So when 415 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 4: you walk for that fifteen or twenty minutes, it actually 416 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 4: starts the regulation. It starts pulling up those chemicals. So 417 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 4: that's why you feel better when you walk back in. 418 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: After being outside. 419 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is it's like twenty minutes getting change. 420 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: Or I have a little route I. 421 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: Do in my neighborhood and it's like anytime I'm feeling 422 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: super stressed, I go do that. And I've always thought 423 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: maybe it's just like, Okay, it's giving me the concept 424 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: of like the world is so much bigger than what's 425 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: happening right in my office that day, you know what 426 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: I mean, Like. 427 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: And just part of it. Absolutely, But I think it's cool. 428 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: Our brains are actually just trying to keep us safe 429 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: all the time, so they're working for us. It's just 430 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: sometimes it's like they go on these pathways that don't necessarily. 431 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 4: We're not working for them. For the brands, because we're 432 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: unloading the brain with so many things that it wasn't 433 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 4: supposed to be. I mean, if you think back to 434 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 4: the prehistoric brain, that's it, right. 435 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: We knew it was going to see all the things 436 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: that it seemsed to could you imagine? No, I mean 437 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 2: one hundred years ago, right, ten years ago. 438 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: I remember as a kid watching the Jets in Yeah, 439 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 3: and like I mean, obviously we don't have flying cars, 440 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: cars or anything. 441 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: Like that, but we have everything else. 442 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a lot of the other stuff. So 443 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: it's kind of crazy. Okay, let's shift to COVID because 444 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: I think this is like a one two punch of 445 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: multiple things. Because we've touched on the trauma stuff, which 446 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: I would imagine a global pandemic, and like everything shutting 447 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: down is a pretty big mass trauma for our brains. Right, 448 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: So there's that, But then there's also the physical aspects 449 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: of the actual illness. And like I said this to you, 450 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: but I think I was exposed I don't know, a 451 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 3: month ago, and I knew because you've done so much 452 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: to help me with my brain coming out of that fog, 453 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: and I kind of went back into it, and then 454 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: I went to see you and you were like, yeah, 455 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 3: you went back into delta in these certain spots or whatever. 456 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 3: So I was like, oh my god, I think I 457 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: did get exposed. So can you talk us through both 458 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: of those things, like what happened to people's brains during 459 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 3: the pandemic? 460 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: What did you see? And then also the. 461 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 3: Physical aspects of just having actual COVID Well, sure. 462 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 4: Well you think about the whole pandemic. I mean that 463 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: was terrifying for everybody. Nobody knew what was happening, what 464 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: was going to happen, how to protect ourselves. The financial 465 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: part of the world was I mean, everything was in 466 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 4: a total chaos, and so that's when fight or flight 467 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 4: is supposed to happen. Oh what do we need to do? 468 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 4: How do we get prepared? But that went on for 469 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 4: certainly a year and a half or two years before 470 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: people started to feel like, oh, wait, we're going to 471 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 4: be okay, We're going to be able to maintain. So 472 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 4: absolutely that was more difficult for some people than others, 473 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: but I think everybody was affected. You look at the 474 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 4: kids and the schooling and the teachers and the parents 475 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 4: trying to take care of it, and all the misinformation 476 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 4: or changing information that was happening. There became this really 477 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 4: big struggle with trust, because who do you trust? Do 478 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 4: you trust the media, do you trust the government? Do 479 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: you trust your friend on Facebook that said one thing 480 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: and you believe another. And when you don't trust. 481 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: Guess what you do? You go back into fight or 482 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: flight again. So here we go again. 483 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 4: So that was definitely a big hit to lots and 484 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: lots of people. 485 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: But probably more important is what I started to see 486 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: physically with the brain. 487 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 4: In November of twenty I had COVID for the first time. 488 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 4: I do this to myself every two weeks. It keeps 489 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 4: me on task with it keeps me running efficiently. And 490 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 4: so when I did my map in December. 491 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: I was like, what happened? Why am I in Delta? 492 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 4: No, that can't possibly be All twenty one of the 493 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 4: places that I worked on was in Delta, which I 494 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 4: didn't understand. That didn't make any sense to me. I 495 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 4: thought there was something wrong with my machine. I sent 496 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 4: it off to have it recalibrating, and they said, no, 497 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong, and I thought, well, that means it's 498 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: my brain. 499 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 2: What happened in my bra Okay. 500 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 4: And so other people I was working with they were fine, 501 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: but my brain was still showing delta. And this again, 502 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 4: this is at the very beginning of COVID, so nobody 503 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 4: knew anything. By January and February of that year, I 504 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 4: started seeing drips of people coming in with the same thing, 505 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: and I started thinking, huh, you had COVID. 506 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: I had COVID. 507 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: So I just started making my own notes. I started 508 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 4: journaling what I was seeing, but there wasn't anything out 509 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: there that anybody was talking about. And so then in 510 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 4: about Arch or April, I had a client came in 511 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: that was a cardiologist and I told him what I 512 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 4: was seeing and he said, huh, we're seeing four or 513 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 4: five people a week coming in post COVID with those 514 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 4: same symptoms. And he said, you know, brain fog, struggling 515 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 4: to remember names and words, all the things. And he said, 516 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 4: I don't know what to do with them. We've done 517 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 4: blood work, we've done chest X rays, and we don't 518 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 4: know what's going on. So he sent a couple of 519 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 4: them over to me, which was great because then I 520 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: had their their medical records and I was able to 521 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: look at them, and sure enough, they were in delt 522 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 4: as well. So I started calling it COVID brain because 523 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 4: I don't know what else to call it, but that's. 524 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 2: What it was. 525 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 4: I see probably more COVID brain than I see anything 526 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: right now, and this is three years in and I'm 527 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 4: still seeing it. And it just puts your brain to sleep. 528 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 4: So I think there's millions of people all over the 529 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: world rocking around feeling very unmotivated brain fog, struggling to 530 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 4: have motiv motivation or sleep. 531 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: Sleep gets really off with it. 532 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 4: Staying on task with something for any length of time. 533 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 3: Oh that was a big one, because I would start 534 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 3: something and then I would work for ten minutes and 535 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 3: it was like, one I was exhausted, yep, but then 536 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 3: two I couldn't focus anymore yep. And that is so 537 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: unlike me. Like all of the things you just described 538 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: are exactly what it's like. So it's crazy. And then 539 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: it's just like, Also, I just wonder if it's like 540 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: the more you have it, the more is it just 541 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: like it goes deeper. 542 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: Like I think. 543 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 4: So I think it just kind of sends you back, 544 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: because Yeah, I've had it three times, and every time 545 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 4: it seems to hit me, not physically harder, but mentally 546 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 4: it seems to take me right back there. 547 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: Pretty quickly, and do you recognize like I do. It's 548 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: like a very specific fog it is, and you're like, oh, shoot, 549 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: I must have COVID again. 550 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: I'm right, No, that's right. 551 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: I also was thinking too when you said, like the 552 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: lack of motivation. To me, it's like a vicious cycle 553 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 3: because that is true as well, which is then depressing 554 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: and then it like so it just works. It kind 555 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: of all manifests together and then it's like really hard 556 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: to get anything done or to get any sort of motivation. 557 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: Thanks COVID. 558 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and what about the taste and smell stuff, because 559 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 3: someone told me that's a neurological issue. 560 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 4: That is a neurological issue. I have seen mixed results 561 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 4: with that. With what I do. Some people have had 562 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 4: great results and we've been able to get it back 563 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 4: on because it's a nerve connection, and other people they 564 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 4: still struggle with it. Same thing with tonight is what's tonight? 565 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 4: It's when you hear the ringing in your ears all 566 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 4: the time. Oh yeah, some people get great results and 567 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: other people don't seem to be affected when I help them. 568 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: So that can come from your brain too, That is 569 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: from your brain. 570 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 3: Wow, what's the number one thing you see like that 571 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: people come in because you said COVID recently. 572 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: But anxiety and depression, Yeah, yeah, I ash. 573 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 4: Actually when I first started, I used to own a school, 574 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 4: and so I really thought. 575 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 2: ADHD would be the biggest thing. And I do see 576 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: a lot of that. 577 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: And we have a couple people in the office that 578 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 4: are specifically working with children, and so we do see 579 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 4: a lot. But I had no idea how rampant anxiety 580 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: and depression and stress. 581 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 582 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: People just don't talk about No, they just don't talk 583 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, so you can work with kids. 584 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 2: Oh yes, we work from age two to eighty two. 585 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: Two to eighty two. Okay, why eighty two. That's just 586 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: the number I have in there right now. He's eighty two, 587 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: he's eighty three. We can't help these are now. He 588 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: can still come in. I'll change it. Okay. 589 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: This is so fascinating to me. But I think the 590 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: biggest thing I hear over and over is our brains 591 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 3: can heal. 592 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: Their brains can heal. 593 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 3: They are very strong. They always want us to to survive, 594 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 3: like they're just putting us in some sort of survival 595 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: mad even if that's fight or flight. That is our 596 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: survivoralt absolutely so be kind to your brain. 597 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 4: Be kind to your brain. Drink lots of water, get 598 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: out in the sunshine, Take an omega. I'm always big 599 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: on omegas. Get your gut healthy. 600 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, home. 601 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 4: The gut is a really big part of it. Sleeps 602 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: is really really important. People try tend to push that 603 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 4: to the side. But this is one real interesting thing 604 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 4: I'll tell you about the brain. When you go to sleep. 605 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 4: The brain doesn't have a filter like the kidney or 606 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 4: the liver. So what happens when you go to sleep. 607 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: The brain washes itself with a fluid, and it takes 608 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 4: all the toxins from the day and puts it into 609 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 4: your bloodstream and gets it out. If you don't have 610 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 4: a minimum of six to eight hours of sleep, that 611 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 4: cycle never finishes. So it's like a dishwasher that doesn't 612 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 4: finish the cycle and leaves the little crud on the forks. Yeah, 613 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: you don't want crud on your forks. You need to sleep. 614 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: So sleep is really really important. And if you get 615 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 4: four hours one night and then you say, well, I'll 616 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 4: just pick up eight the next night, that's not enough 617 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: for it to recover. 618 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: What do you do if you get four hours one nine. 619 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: Then well, I mean obviously that happens, but if you 620 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 4: put yourself on that thing that we say I'll catch 621 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 4: up on. 622 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: The weekend, you can't. 623 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: Really every hour that you've missed it takes three hours 624 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 4: to catch it up. 625 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: Oh dang, you're gonna be sleeping a lot. 626 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just thinking about that with like travel 627 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: sometimes of. 628 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: Course, but that's what throws your cycle off. Yeah, when 629 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: you don't get good sleep, that's amazing. 630 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if people are interested in working with you 631 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 3: or learning more about this, where can they find you? 632 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 4: You can find me at Harmonized Brain Centers t N 633 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 4: dot com. We also have an office in Colorado and 634 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: that's Harmonized Brain Centers dot com. Okay, and that's my 635 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 4: brother and he does a great job as well. 636 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: My gosh, his family business. 637 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 4: And we've got six practitioners here, so we see people 638 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: from eight two to eighty two. 639 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: Yes, if you're struggling with the COVID stuff, you guys, 640 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: highly it's like changed my life truly. Thank it's been very, 641 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: very helpful. So anyway, I highly recommend thank you for 642 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: being here. 643 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely so glad we glad we finally got together. 644 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: Did we did it. We did it all right. 645 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Thank you guys for listening. 646 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: Bye bye, thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast 647 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: with Kelly Henderson, where we believe everyone has a little 648 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: velvet in a little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, 649 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: beauty and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.