WEBVTT - CLASSIC: The Philadelphia Experiment

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<v Speaker 1>Philip conspiracy realist. You remember Philadelphia cream cheese? We sure did,

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<v Speaker 1>and we wanted to figure out where it came from,

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<v Speaker 1>so we did it in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's what this entire episode is about, Baby

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<v Speaker 2>taking them cows and milking them for all that sweet, sweet, white, milky.

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<v Speaker 3>Gold big Dary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. No, this is about a really weird

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<v Speaker 2>experiment that maybe didn't happen, probably didn't happen, allegedly happened

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<v Speaker 2>about time travel.

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<v Speaker 1>The USS Eldridge traveling through time and space with disastrous consequence.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a thrilling tale. But how much of it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is straight poop and how much of it

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<v Speaker 1>is just whipped cream cheese? We're going to find out

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<v Speaker 1>in this recording from UFOs to Psychic Powers and government Conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 1>History is riddled with unexplained events. Can turn back now

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<v Speaker 1>or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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<v Speaker 1>A production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is not.

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<v Speaker 1>They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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<v Speaker 1>super producer Paul Mission controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you,

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<v Speaker 1>You are here, and that makes this stuff They don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to know. Today's episode is a weird one

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<v Speaker 1>on many levels. First, it's weird that we have not

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<v Speaker 1>done a podcast on this before. We've had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people ask us about it over the years. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>it concerns something that has always fascinated us, allegations of

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<v Speaker 1>hidden technology. Now you know these stories or you know

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<v Speaker 1>the rough tropes. They come and go throughout the world

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<v Speaker 1>of conspiratorial lore, but they will never really go away,

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<v Speaker 1>just because there are way too many known proven cases

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<v Speaker 1>of suppress technology we've explored on the show, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>way too much other weird, somewhat sinister, circumstantial, very true

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<v Speaker 1>stuff floating around, like the Invention Secrecy Act of what

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<v Speaker 1>was it, nineteen fifty one. That's a real thing. I've

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<v Speaker 1>still boggled by that you can invent something in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and do everything right, and the government can

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<v Speaker 1>totally not just steal your invention, but also legally prevent

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<v Speaker 1>you from ever talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do the rest of you imagine getting that visit or

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<v Speaker 3>that call what You're so stoked you've patented your first

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<v Speaker 3>like Gangbuster's genius idea, and then you get a call

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<v Speaker 3>from the g men saying sorry, but we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>suppress the hell out of this and you can never

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<v Speaker 3>speak of it again.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not the government's fault. They were just

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<v Speaker 2>there two decades before and already patented the thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>then just you know, they didn't have to tell anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's parallel thinking with the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I spend a little too much time, I think, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>we get close to these topics, just imagining what sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff could have been pulled by the Invention Secrecy Act.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's not all weapons. I hope it's some

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<v Speaker 1>things that are like ridiculous, like a regenitative dentifice, a

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<v Speaker 1>toothpaste you can use that actually removes cavities. And someone

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, this the world's not ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Lock him just a way a way too advanced bidet now,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we just we can't have this, We cannot let

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<v Speaker 3>this fly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, an actually everlasting gob stopper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, wallpaper where the snosberries actually taste likensbery, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Or a pill that means you'll never have to sleep again.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my personal favorite. Anyway, this stuff happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>They have that that's called meth no if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>trailer dropping for a show on the day we record

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<v Speaker 2>this about a very very pill. It's actually more of

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<v Speaker 2>a mind app but it's all good.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Can you disclose more sure?

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<v Speaker 3>It's documentary, is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very o Matt Frederick. Yeah, that's an exciting one

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not blowing smoke. Do check it out. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we'll have the trailer for that show in our

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<v Speaker 1>own feed in a little while, but stay stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>So suppress technology. Let's start today's story with a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of background on the US Navy. Here are the facts.

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<v Speaker 3>So we could start with the rumors. I suppose we

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily need to lead off with saying the rumors

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<v Speaker 3>are true. But there are rumors, tons of them in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>about the US Navy and classified space age experiments. These

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<v Speaker 3>rumors don't exist in a vacuum. They don't come from

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<v Speaker 3>absolute whole cloth. The Navy has, of course done tons

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<v Speaker 3>of secret experiments. It's a thing. It's a known thing

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<v Speaker 3>that the Navy does experiments that we'll probably never hear

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<v Speaker 3>about or at the very least the full extent of

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<v Speaker 3>this research. But the stuff that has been declassified is

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<v Speaker 3>really really really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and one of the first things we can

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<v Speaker 2>look at is this amazing piece of tech called the

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<v Speaker 2>Sea Shadow.

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<v Speaker 3>Not to be confused with the sea shanties that are

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<v Speaker 3>very popular on TikTok right now, just putting that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not a sea shant tea, it's a Sea Shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a stealth warship. It will remind you of

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<v Speaker 2>if you took one of the stealth bombers or the

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<v Speaker 2>stealth jet fighter that we've talked about before on the

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<v Speaker 2>show that you've seen that made their appearances during the

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<v Speaker 2>Gulf War. I believe, like an yeah F one to

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen Nighthawk, very similar to that. But you took that

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<v Speaker 2>thing then you kind of crunched it down, turned its

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<v Speaker 2>wings kind of on its side and downwards a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and then put it in the water. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what it looks.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a little bit like the X or the X

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<v Speaker 3>Men like plane. Sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're a B two bomber or I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>completely honest, A real kick ass toy from the g I.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe toy line. It looks like you could buy it

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<v Speaker 1>at Target and put your little figures in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember when they used to make toys and then

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<v Speaker 3>everything else was just based on the toy. Now it's

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<v Speaker 3>the other way around. Yeah, I missed those days.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love all the I love the

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous extents that we'll go to to make a storyline

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<v Speaker 1>around a toy line, you know what I mean. So,

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<v Speaker 1>the Sea Shadow is a real thing, and it's created

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<v Speaker 1>in partnership with Lockheed and DARPA. DARPA again, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 1>get at me. Where's the sleep tech? Not meth. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not asking for meth. I just want to stay awake.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Sea Shadow, it was a project that spanned

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<v Speaker 1>from like nineteen eighty four to its public data and

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<v Speaker 1>confirmation of existence in nineteen ninety three. It looks super cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It had some really smart technology a board and in

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<v Speaker 1>its DNA, you could say, But ultimately it was never commissioned.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was gutted and sold by Uncle Sam

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<v Speaker 1>after they had spent a while trying to get a

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<v Speaker 1>museum to take it. No museum would take it, so

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<v Speaker 1>they sold it to a private company with a very

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<v Speaker 1>weird condition. And so we're selling this to you and

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<v Speaker 1>you have to destroy it, you know, to take it apart.

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<v Speaker 1>You can never use it or sale it, just sell

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<v Speaker 1>it for scrap.

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<v Speaker 3>And typically we're not going to hear about this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff unless the military decides they no longer have

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<v Speaker 3>any use for it, or it's more or less considered

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<v Speaker 3>a failed experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, that's a good point. So there are two

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<v Speaker 1>ways that there are number of ways militaries will disclose

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of bleeding edge tech. First if it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>work and they feel like maybe another intel elegency agency

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<v Speaker 1>has already compromised the research. That's why, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>enough time passes, that's when you start hearing about stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like we tried to use bats as explosive devices in

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<v Speaker 1>World War two, things.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, or those hover platforms. Remember those hover platforms

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<v Speaker 3>with the like propellers on the bottom. That was a

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<v Speaker 3>real cool idea. Clearly it was super wonky, impossible to steer,

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<v Speaker 3>more so than like a segue, and that came out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you can see you can see drawings of

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<v Speaker 3>these on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those was actually mistaken for a UFO in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico a few years back. Actually, I don't think mistaken

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<v Speaker 1>is right, because it was an r phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what you know, that's sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>old story of where a lot of sightings of of

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<v Speaker 3>UFOs come from is veiled government technology that no one

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<v Speaker 3>knows about. So therefore it must be if we don't

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<v Speaker 3>know about it, it must be, you know, from another galaxy.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Another reason that government might disclose bleeding edge t

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<v Speaker 1>is to send an intimidation signal to a geopolitical rival.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's I mean, that's that's a powerful statement. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there are of course legit leaks like the assages

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<v Speaker 1>and snowed ends of the world. But but what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about this is although the Sea Shadow is long gone,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see its influence, its legacy and other ships

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<v Speaker 1>today like the USNS Impeccable, an ocean surveillance ship that

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<v Speaker 1>was recently or a few years back, I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>in the news for some ratcheting tensions in the Pacific theater,

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<v Speaker 1>mainly China and interacting with US and the Philippines. But

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<v Speaker 1>so the Sea Shadow, it's a real thing. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a spaceship on the water.

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<v Speaker 4>And just to be clear here, the USNS Impeccable looks

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<v Speaker 4>like that build that we were discussing where it's got

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<v Speaker 4>It looks like it's got too parts of it on

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom that go into the.

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<v Speaker 2>Water and are submerged really deeply and then kind of

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<v Speaker 2>goes up in an arc almost like almost like the

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<v Speaker 2>underside of a bridge tunnel or something. Great example, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>beneath the ship so that other things can go in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I want one. I want to live on one. But

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<v Speaker 1>so the Navy also did other wild stuff back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, just to show you how long ago this

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<v Speaker 1>process was, so Sea Shadow fair comparatively recent. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Navy also experimented with airborne aircraft carriers. This is something

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<v Speaker 1>we covered in an old episode of car Stuff. For

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<v Speaker 1>a while, they Okay, this idea is going to sound crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to sound like it's a conversation that

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of coked up eighties movie producers would have.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's what happened. They said, blimps are cool. We

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<v Speaker 1>like airships. Let's build airships that we can put tiny

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<v Speaker 1>planes in. And then we can have these tiny planes

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<v Speaker 1>fly out of the airships and then guys, guys, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put the planes back in the blimps.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro. I love that idea, and I will love you

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<v Speaker 3>so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys. This is the best carry okay, n'd ever blimps.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they did the USS Akron the USS making.

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<v Speaker 1>They were lighter than air craft, uh, and they were huge.

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<v Speaker 1>They were eight hundred feet long. They had built in

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<v Speaker 1>hangars and they could take these tiny tiny planes and

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<v Speaker 1>deploy them, and then the pilots could in theory, and

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<v Speaker 1>they did this successfully a few times. They could also

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<v Speaker 1>return to the airship dock and be taken back up

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<v Speaker 1>into the blimp. But it's like anybody with anxiety, your

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<v Speaker 1>heart will already start racing when you hear about how

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<v Speaker 1>they connected back. They had to like fly up under

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<v Speaker 1>the airship at this match at speed, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>a little hook on this tiny plane and they had

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of like like at a carnival gamer an

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<v Speaker 1>arcade game. They had to kind of like position the

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<v Speaker 1>hook onto this bar that was just hanging down from

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<v Speaker 1>the blimp. They had to hope it connected and then

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<v Speaker 1>have perfect timing so that they didn't destroy the whole

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<v Speaker 1>house of airborne cards, no surprise. Eventually they eventually, Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Sam decided this was kind of a wild, unreliable idea

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<v Speaker 1>for a number of reasons. And we know the Navy

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<v Speaker 1>also experiments with armament, right I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, wait, we can't. We can't leave uss Akron yet

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<v Speaker 2>because we know it exploded, right yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it didn't fly for very long, but in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty three, that's when its final flight occurred. At

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<v Speaker 2>least the the Akron version that we spoke.

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<v Speaker 1>Of, it had a number of accidents. Yeah, but with

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<v Speaker 1>work in progress, work in progress. So we also know

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<v Speaker 1>the Navy experiments extensively with new types of armament, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mortarshells and so on. Probably one of the coolest things

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<v Speaker 1>to hit the public sphere is the rail gun, which

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<v Speaker 1>has been fascinating us for a number of years. Shout out,

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to the railgun cruise because that stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be ready in twenty twenty one to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that quake?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was quake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was just I was like, am I crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I thought that was a weapon in doom or quake.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty sure it's quake. But this is not a handheld device.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like a massive ordinance cannon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, correct, Yeah, it's not something you can carry around

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<v Speaker 1>with you yet. And a handheld version we don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what they're up to. Yeah, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>put that it's not something we can carry around handtel version.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Navy has done tons of other stuff. The

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<v Speaker 1>drawing board is filled with mistakes and triumphs. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Matt, I thought of you specifically with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's maybe a story for another day. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of research into unmanned maritime vehicles like lockeeds. Is

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<v Speaker 1>building those prototypes now.

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<v Speaker 3>Like seed drones?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, cool, of course they are. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>I just haven't seen it. I haven't looked into it,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, find me in a week. I'll be very

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<v Speaker 2>very into this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I always picture oh what was that film? I always

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<v Speaker 1>picture the guys from Step Brothers looking at an unmanned

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<v Speaker 1>ship of this sort and saying like, wow, once you

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<v Speaker 1>take the people out, there's so much room for activities.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I suppose, But isn't the idea the same way

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<v Speaker 3>that like laptops now don't have desk drives in them anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Aren't they trying to make the smallest possible package. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess when you say activities, we're like using that as

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<v Speaker 3>a stand in for features and like tech and weaponry, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, fuel more communications equipment. You also don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry so much about various safety mechanisms you would put

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<v Speaker 1>in to keep the meat bags going safely port to ports.

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<v Speaker 3>Almost as though people are going to one day become

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<v Speaker 3>an afterthought and all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe, But we are giving you these examples again,

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<v Speaker 1>these very real examples, to establish this fact. Yes, the

0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:49.080
<v Speaker 1>US military constantly engages in classified research, experimentation and design

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<v Speaker 1>and so on and so on and so on. A

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<v Speaker 1>ton of it ends up never working. But it's also

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<v Speaker 1>safe to assume, I would say, it's crucial to assume

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<v Speaker 1>that all competent, world class militaries are doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The US is not alone in this regard. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of like, we're beyond good and evil. These

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<v Speaker 1>are just the rules of the road for these organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the case of the US Navy specifically, there

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<v Speaker 1>is one project, gentlemen, one rumor of a test that

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<v Speaker 1>has obsessed thousands of people for decades. That's our episode today.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the Philadelphia Experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll tell you about it in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets crazy. We're back. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to spend a lot of time on this, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>researched extensively and the facts are there. The Philadelphia Experiment

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<v Speaker 1>was the original name for what we call cream cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>It was invented by the US Navy back in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, shortly after World War Two, to address growing

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<v Speaker 1>and urgent concerns about the lack of cream and wartime

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<v Speaker 1>chae supplies.

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<v Speaker 3>Those maniacs, they were so preoccupied with whether they could

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<v Speaker 3>do this, they never considered whether they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, and we made a whole video about it. If

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<v Speaker 2>you head over to YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff,

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.600
<v Speaker 2>you can watch that video. And really it's just the

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<v Speaker 2>lack of cream in that video is astounding, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>really what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 3>The best part of the video is when they start

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<v Speaker 3>getting into different flavors. That's when it really they cracked

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<v Speaker 3>the egg wide open.

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<v Speaker 1>The cream cheese arm race. Yeah, the flavor arm race.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a harrowing time, you know, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can all agree that the world got

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<v Speaker 1>very close to ending, So thank you. That's cream cheese

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<v Speaker 1>is also, you know, the cream cheese conflict is also

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<v Speaker 1>where we see the origins of mutually assured destruction or

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<v Speaker 1>mad policy, which later you might recognize from nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>We're kidding, this is something different. We think we're kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Big Cream, don't shut us down. What

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<v Speaker 1>we're really talking about is something that I believe could

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<v Speaker 1>now be described as an urban legend. It's been around

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<v Speaker 1>long enough that it's reached legend status, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>a story for you, folks, strap.

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<v Speaker 3>In legendary to the point that, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like we were talking about earlier, with that room of

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<v Speaker 3>Navy tech people getting a little excited big upping each

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<v Speaker 3>other on weird ideas, there was a room full of

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<v Speaker 3>Hollywood executives doing something very similar, saying the Philadelphia Experiment

0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.800
<v Speaker 3>brilliant idea for a sci fi film of nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Now, cast your mind back to nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 2>three October. At the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, government scientists are

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<v Speaker 2>conducting an experiment aboard a US Navy Canon class destroyer

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<v Speaker 2>escort called the USS Eldridge. It's number d E one

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some notable people in attendance at this momentous occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>one of whom is Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein was making

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<v Speaker 1>the rounds according to this story, because you see, the

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<v Speaker 1>eggheads working for the Navy had reached some fascinating conclusions

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<v Speaker 1>about the application of Einstein's theory of the unified field,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were hoping to create a real life invisibility cloak,

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<v Speaker 1>a field of energy that would render the Eldridge invisible

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<v Speaker 1>both to the human eye and to radar, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the more important part.

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<v Speaker 3>This is sort of like a science y tech version

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<v Speaker 3>of like, you know, D and D Cloak of invisibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, right, Harry Potter, Cloak of invisibility? What have you?

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<v Speaker 1>Just a ship? It's on a ship instead of a

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<v Speaker 1>person or a level three warlock. And this this gets

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<v Speaker 1>love Craftian pretty quick. And it's a story that I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you consider yourself a conspiracy realist, this

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<v Speaker 1>is probably one of your favorite stories when you're growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Ben. Is it any accident that the ship was named

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<v Speaker 3>the USS Eldridge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great, good story.

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<v Speaker 3>It really works, it really works.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a real ship. By the way, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into this too.

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<v Speaker 3>That part's spelled differently. It's spelled e L dri DG Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Good points. So according to this story, this experiment is

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<v Speaker 1>unusual in comparison to other declassified experiments because it is

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed by hundreds, possibly thousands of sailors who are at

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<v Speaker 1>the port or who are on other nearby ships. The

0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:47.480
<v Speaker 1>testing was a series of events, and it began, as

0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Matt said, in the summer of forty three. At first

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed successful to a limited extent. One test allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in the Eldridge mean kind of translucent, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat obscured, almost invisible. And then some witnesses reported a

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<v Speaker 1>quote greenish fog or later described as a green glow

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<v Speaker 1>appearing in place of where the ship used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Crew Members allegedly complained of severe nausea and then disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Struck and just you know, while we're here. If that

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<v Speaker 2>is true, it sounds like nuclear stuff to me, a

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 2>greenish people are getting dosed by radiation and feeling a

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<v Speaker 2>little sick. That's what it sounds like.

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<v Speaker 3>It also reminds me a lot of when David Copperfield

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<v Speaker 3>made the Statue of Liberty disappear on live television, minus

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<v Speaker 3>the radiation and the greenish glow. Apparently he just pulled

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<v Speaker 3>a giant like curtain up and then dropped it. But

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<v Speaker 3>that was a big deal at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I vaguely remember that. Yeah, yeah, I always wondered how

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<v Speaker 1>he did that, And also related, I always wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>people get into those words of gigs, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>just from a infrastructure equipment materials.

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<v Speaker 3>Practice, practice practice, same way you get to Carnegie Hall,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Start with a spoon and you end up with the

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<v Speaker 1>Statue of Liberty.

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<v Speaker 3>You just pick a real specific niche and just go

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<v Speaker 3>with it, lean into it hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a magician, but I only disappear statues.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like paltic, guys, I'm big serious here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>think about the fog even, like what could that be? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. If someone trying to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to make a piece of uranium go into water and

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<v Speaker 2>then I don't know, use the steam that's coming off

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<v Speaker 2>of it to make some experiment happen, but they don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand exactly what's happening. Yet with all that steam.

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<v Speaker 3>And we know now from what was soon to follow,

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:50.479
<v Speaker 3>radioactive energy creation is all about steam, and we know

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<v Speaker 3>that the water and all of that stuff that is

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.399
<v Speaker 3>used to generate radioactive energy is absolutely toxic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but we're not saying that that's what was happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Matt's a little silly put theory.

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<v Speaker 3>This has been Matt's silly pet theory. Corners.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it's either little nor silly.

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<v Speaker 1>There are another there's there's other couple of possibilities.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a corner, though, can we at least agree

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<v Speaker 3>on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a corner. Yeah, we're in your corner

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<v Speaker 1>in multiple levels. So one of the things that could

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:21.520
<v Speaker 1>have happened is if there were some sort of energy

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<v Speaker 1>field or distortion that affected perception. The Eldridge probably had

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<v Speaker 1>lights on it, right, so those lights may have been

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<v Speaker 1>somehow distorted, producing what appeared to be a greenish gloe. Anyhow,

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 1>it said disaster struck. We'll get into the details of

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the legend, but here's the general gist of what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>The crew had severe side effects, some died. These side

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:55.120
<v Speaker 1>effects were much more than just an upset stomach. Some

0:23:55.320 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 1>were allegedly found materialized part way into the hull of

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the ship fuse into it. Like phasing that went wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, man, I can't get over every time you

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:12.919
<v Speaker 3>say the eldritch I'm just picturing Cthulhu esque hulking monsters

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of the sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Way for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I perhaps unfairly primed us by immediately saying

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<v Speaker 1>love crafting.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, it was completely fair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. Well, the other thing is just so everybody

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<v Speaker 2>understands phasing, just so we're all on the same page here.

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<v Speaker 2>Phasing is when you have a creature on the board

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<v Speaker 2>and they're in play for turn one basically, let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it comes to your turn again after your

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<v Speaker 2>opponent has played, and then they would phase out so

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you'd flip them over. Then on the next your next turn,

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>they would phase back in, so you'd flip it back

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<v Speaker 2>over and they could attack and block and things.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, which is based on the Philadelphia experiments. Yeah so,

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<v Speaker 1>and also, of course, for any fans of comics, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that is the primary power of Kitty Pride and

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>is one of the many powers of Vision, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a synthesoid what was.

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<v Speaker 3>Kitty Pride's sexual superhero name?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that it shadow Cat?

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<v Speaker 3>Shadow Cat? Thank you just making sure so.

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<v Speaker 1>This we're making light of this, But if true, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an enormous tragedy because it means hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 1>saw multiple folks die in a way that appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be physically impossible. Some simply disappeared and were never seen again,

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<v Speaker 1>and still others, how love crafting is this, were driven

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<v Speaker 1>mad by the experience, by whatever they saw on the

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>inside of that energy field, where they were plagued for

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<v Speaker 1>years by mysterious cases of quote phasing in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of existence. The Navy disavowed all knowledge of this. You

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>can read their statement about it, which is low key hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Doug, that didn't happen, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But since the mid fifties, not nineteen forty three. Since

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<v Speaker 1>about the mid fifties, the story grew legs in the

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>public sphere. More and more authors came forward claiming to

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<v Speaker 1>have either second or first hand knowledge of the event,

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<v Speaker 1>and at times there are various different stories about what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in nineteen forty three contradict one another in numerous ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in nineteen fifty six is when a ufologist by

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 3>the name of Morris Jessup got letters from a person

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>identifying himself as Carlos Miguel Allende or Carl m. Allen.

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<v Speaker 3>And let's just really quickly remind everyone that this was

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 3>about twelve years after the experiment allegedly took place.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, these letters, Oh boy. Okay. So if you

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.479
<v Speaker 1>have ever just to make this human and relatable, if

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 1>you have ever been in a situation where you have

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 1>published a book, or you've created art or music or

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>something where is something that people respond to, then you

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 1>might be familiar with the out of the blue extraordinary

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>correspond sets. So we'll call it extraordinary correspondence. We get

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>it here at this show, and for the most part,

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 1>we love it, and we're very fortunate to receive these letters.

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>But here's what Carlos slash. Carl claims in his letters.

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>His government name is Carl Allen, by the way, he

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 1>just goes by Carlos Allende. So Carl says that he

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>witnessed this secret experiment in nineteen forty three World War

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.479
<v Speaker 1>Two at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. He was not on

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.919
<v Speaker 1>the Eldridge. He says he was on a nearby ship,

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the Furuseth, and he was watching the Eldridge, and he

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>had learned through this experience and through his own later

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 1>investigations that the ship didn't just disappear, didn't just become

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.439
<v Speaker 1>invisible for a little bit, but it got teleported to

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>New York in a way that was physically impossible given

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>what we understand about ship propulsion at the time. And

0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:00.040
<v Speaker 1>then it got teleported to another dimension where in the

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>crew encountered sincient non human life. Then it got teleported

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>through time. This is a dangerous journey and that's what

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>led to the deaths of several men. And Carlos Slash

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>carl as the one who claimed, you know, and they

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>saw the greenish glow people refuse this ship. He also

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>said he saw a guy, a survivor of the Eldridge

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>later in a bar, and as he watched the man,

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the man vanished from existence.

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 3>And really quickly. I'm certain that these accounts are the

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.919
<v Speaker 3>inspiration for the nineteen eighty four sci fi film The

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Philadelphia Experiment, where some sailors who were on board when

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 3>this experiment took place get teleported to the Nevada Desert

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 3>and then things get weird and Carl.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to say. Carl, as we'll learn, was a

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>guy who was a fan of sending letters. But it

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>made sense for him to reach out to this guy,

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Jessop because Jessop had just published a book called The

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Case for the UFO. It's kind of like a primer

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>and speculation examining UFO phenomenon in general and then speculating

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>on things like what their propulsion system could be, like

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>how could they be so nimble to physics? Basically right, yeah,

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>just so eventually Carl would end up sending Jessup more

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>than fifty letters, and Jessup at first. So here's the

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>thing you might think, Okay, Jessup just automatically dismisses this

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>guy out of hand because he makes some crazy claims.

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>He also, by the way, I can't remember if we

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>mentioned this, he also, by the way, told Jessop in

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the course of these letters that he had personally spent

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>several weeks with Albert Einstein, and Albert Einstein was explaining

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:49.719
<v Speaker 1>in person the truth about the unified field and various

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>other bleeding edge of physics kind of subjects.

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<v Speaker 2>God sucks, because how cool would that be? I mean,

0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it sounds amazing. But everyone out there listening, you know,

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>we've encountered stories like this before where you have to

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>be you have to remain skeptical enough, right and we

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>have to we're all doing that right now. It doesn't

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 2>mean we completely disbelieve all of us at least, but

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 2>it does mean that we're venturing into some choppy waters here.

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, said yeah, Jessup. Jessup is taking the same tack. Initially,

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>he says, Okay, I'm going to try to seriously investigate

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>these these claims, these ideas in good faith. But he

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>becomes frustrated because this Carl guy, this person he knows

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>only through letters, seems unable to or unwilling to produce

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>physical evidence. Eventually, Jessup dismisses all all all these missives

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>as the work of a crackpot or someone who as

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>having some cognitive stability issues, and he goes about his

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>day that was in what was that nineteen fifty five,

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>fifty six, He's fine, He's like, okay, well that was weird.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 3>But then but.

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Dead nineteen fifty seven, he gets another weird piece of correspondence.

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not from a UFO guy, crackpot, like from the

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 3>office of Naval Research in Washington, DC. They reach out

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 3>to him and they're a little bit annoyed. They'd gotten

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 3>a package containing a paperback version of the Case for

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 3>the UFO. It was in a Mandila envelope marked Happy Easter.

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh and the book had been marked up extensively. Oh.

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it reminds me of something, honestly, my grandfather would do.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 2>There were three different shades of pink. There's been just

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 2>all written scribbled throughout there, and it appeared to show

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>correspondence between three individual people, one of whom is named Jemmy.

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 3>That's j E.

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>M I, and the O n R labeled the other

0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>two as simply mister A and mister B.

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Gotta call him something, you know what I mean, Let's

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>not complicate it. I'm sure they had a whole list

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>of names, and they're like Lancelot, Galahad Mansa, Musa and

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>someone else said okay, dude, calm down, We'll just we'll

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>start at A. So these notes are interesting. We believe

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 1>that one of the reasons Carl Allen specifically contacted Jessup

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>originally was because in his book The Case for the UFO,

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>he mentions Einstein, and he mentions unified field, and Carl

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Allen had either spent a lot of time with Einstein

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>or had thought about him pretty frequently. So in these notes,

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and these are heavy notes, by the way, in these

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>notes there are oblique references to the Philadelphia experiment, and

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>there are also like, if you look at it the

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>way they're written, it's almost as if there is a

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>chat for him. It looks almost as if these people

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>were passing this book back and forth to one another

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and reacting to the things the other people said.

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 3>And then then we get like almost like a hitchcocky

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>and twist where Jessup notices something and and like I

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 3>can picture the editing crossed, you know, like doing a

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 3>voiceover from the past, or like a flashback to when

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 3>he first noticed this. He recognizes the handwriting.

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Of all three people because it's one person. It's that

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>guy who sent him all those letters. And now now

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>he's got jammed up by the Navy. This is not

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>this is not what you imagine happening when you want

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to write a cool UFO book.

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 2>So well, this guy jammed himself up by sending it

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>over to the Navy. No, but it is now jamming

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>up Jessip yeah, jes Jessup.

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Is unfairly jammed here, so he he reckoned, Like Noel says,

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>he recognizes this handwriting, and he recognizes the subject matter,

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the style of writing. He says, Look, this is all

0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>that same guy who's been sending me stuff and naval authorities.

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I assure you, I think he's kind of off, he says,

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.359
<v Speaker 1>has some interesting things to say. Oh, by the way,

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>he's also a close friend of Albert Einstein. You know,

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>why are.

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 3>You talking to me? He just died right, This is like, yeah.

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just about two years ago. Einstein died in fifty

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.399
<v Speaker 1>five and this fifty seven, So that's what he says.

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>He's like, look, I don't know. I'm just trying to

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>make a living.

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:30.720
<v Speaker 3>As a writer.

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>It's tough all around, but I have nothing to do

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>with this. He probably also went on to say, like,

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm also not a communist in case that comes up.

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>And then he goes off and he's still now He's like, Now,

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it from Jessup's perspective, the Navy

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>calling you up about this story that you originally might

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:55.959
<v Speaker 1>not have believed. That becomes a huge piece of credibility,

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>does it not, Especially there's another twist here. This is

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a twist I think will be a big one.

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>The Office of Naval Research itself later funded a very

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>small republication of Jessop's book through a military contractor called Varo.

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Why they I don't know, man, because they they when

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>they published it, when they republished it, it wasn't just

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Jessop's work. They published it with all of those annotations

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 1>by those three fake people. Double why right?

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Utopia anyone? Still?

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 2>God, my mind, Sorry, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh and thanks to everybody wrote it, wrote in and

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>alerted us to the British version being up there being

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:41.879
<v Speaker 1>a very.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Watched both seasons already do it now? Yes, that's all,

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 2>that's all it is.

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Do you prefer it to the US version?

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:55.279
<v Speaker 2>In many ways? In other ways no, And I'm not

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 2>going to elaborate.

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 1>So don't take our word for it. If you want

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>to check out Utopia now it's the perfect time to

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 1>do it. We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors,

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to watch the rest of the seasons.

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Then we'll be back and we'll do this. We'll do

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>the show and we're back this is one heck of

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>a tail so far. This is I mean, step to

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 1>the left rhyme of the ancient mariner. We have a

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>new legend of the sea. So let's dive further into

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>these claims. The numerous authors writing about this in later

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>years link the experiment to other pre existing conspiracy theories

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>regarding particularly Allied and Axis experimentation on the bleeding edges

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>of known science during World War Two. And the thing

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:51.399
<v Speaker 1>about that stuff is as crazy as it sounds, there

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit of sand to some of those

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 1>World War two conspiracy theories. Shout out to the Horton

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>h O right, that might have changed the war, and

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>we really lucked out. This also became the Philadelphia Experiment.

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Writers also connected it to later conspiracies such as things

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>like the Montalk Project, which we still we haven't done

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>an episode on that, I think, but if we do,

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>it's it's going to be kind of the part two

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Philadelphia Experiment.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 2>And we see something happening here with the story of

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the Philadelphia Experiment that we're seeing a lot more of

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 2>in modern times, actually extremely recent times, where some of

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the authors who were writing about it are willing to

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>make leaps in logic and almost just assume that certain

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 2>stories are real and then find connective tissue between those

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 2>two stories in some small way, as Ben was saying,

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 2>like to the Montalk project. But it seems as though

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the authors writing about it, we're just

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 2>willing to do that. And then there it becomes a

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 2>thing where the lore builds up over time, where more

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>and more people are stating kind of the same thing

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that hasn't been proven, but enough people are saying it

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that it feels true.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 1>There's a social aspect to it, a social engineering aspect.

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>And there were these common story elements, the ones we

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 1>outlined in our exploration of the legend. There were plenty

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>of contradictory claims. Is people got their favorite you know,

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>pet theory corners stoked. And one thing you'll notice is

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that the authors often paint Carlos Allende or carl Allen

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 1>has this very mysterious, enigmatic figure, a drifter on the

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>fringes of the mainstream, a man nearly impossible to contact.

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>This turned out to be very much not true.

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, I mean, that's certainly the way it seems to

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 3>come off in terms of the assembled lore around this story.

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, picture of like he's like the popular mythic

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>image of this guy would be a lot like the

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 1>father in Firestarter, you know, on the run from the

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 1>government's mysterious men in black, chasing you for your rare

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and dangerous knowledge and or abilities. So this drew the

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>attention of a paranormal researcher named Robert Gorman. Around nineteen

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine or so, Gorman was looking back through this

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff and he noticed something weird. The original return address

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>on that Easter package that was sent to the Office

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>of Naval Research was from New Kensington, Pennsylvania. Holy smokes,

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 1>says Rob that's my hometown. I live here. I can

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:50.439
<v Speaker 1>find this address. And the coincidences got even stranger. This

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>guy Carlos Ayende, his real name was Carl Allen. He

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>lived in town. He was the son of a close

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>family friend of the Gorman. So Gortman was able to

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>reach Carl Allen with relatively little difficulty. That means something

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 1>profoundly change over the course of all those other writer's experience,

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.839
<v Speaker 1>or that means that maybe they weren't trying as hard

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to contact him as they led their readers to believe.

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 3>But he was known around town. He had a reputation

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 3>for being a bit of a loaner with sort of

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 3>a wild imagination.

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Correct, yes, that is correct. He was an eccentric. He

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 1>was infamous for writing on anything and everything around the

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.959
<v Speaker 1>family house, and as Skeptoid puts it, he was also

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>known to send bizarre writing and claims to everyone in

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>his family or in his circle for any occasion. And

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a word for this. It's called hypergraphia, a behavioral

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>condition characterized by the intense desire to write or draw.

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Ben This instantly makes me think of love crafty and

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 3>stuff where someone who has lost their mind hold up

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:06.360
<v Speaker 3>in some sort of ramshackled abandoned mansion scrawls weird cuthulhusque

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 3>cryptograms all over the wall, does it not.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. I didn't think of that. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I think we're well on the way to making our

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>own version of the Philadelphia Experiment as a feature film,

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe a serious of YouTube videos. All right, welcome of it.

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>We'll work shopping. So look, Gorman, he's tracking Carl down,

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>but at the same time he's looking into the facts

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the uss Eldridge.

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 2>And really what he was finding appeared to illustrate a

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 2>very different picture than what he was being given by

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.800
<v Speaker 2>old Carl. He found a lot of the stuff fully

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>disproved the statements that Carl was making. And perhaps in

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 2>another way, if you listening are fully convinced that this

0:41:55.480 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 2>was a true story, that Carl knew the truth and

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone else was keeping it quiet, it kind of it

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 2>might lead you down the road of oh, this is

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.280
<v Speaker 2>a full cover up and it was effective. It worked,

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:11.399
<v Speaker 2>and the loan person that knew the truth was seen

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 2>as a crackpot.

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Typical for these sorts of tales, right, yeah, yeah. The

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 1>absence of evidence can be treated as evidence, you know,

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>which is tough tough to get around. Gorman found the

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:31.919
<v Speaker 1>following based on US Naval records. The ship the Eldridge

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>was nowhere near Philadelphia at the time this experiment was

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.959
<v Speaker 1>said to have occurred. Not only were they not there,

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>but they had evidence, corroborated evidence of the routine stuff

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>they were doing and where they were at the time.

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 2>They could fake all that if they wanted to just say, yes.

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true, that's true. We have to pursue both

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>lines of thought here. It could be faked, right, You

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.320
<v Speaker 1>can change history. It's just a matter of changing records

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and eliminating witnesses. Oh, so he reaches out to people

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>who would have been first hand witnesses. Who was a

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>crew member on the Eldridge in forty three? He thinks

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>who was on board afterwards or even before, if I

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>could find someone still alive. Every single person crew member

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that he spoke to who was on board the ship

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>there none recalled anything about any such experiment. And Matt,

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 1>this is where we have to say. They could have

0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 1>been intimidated.

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly. They could have been intimidated, or maybe they

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 2>lost consciousness. They don't actually remember it. And the horror

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:41.760
<v Speaker 2>stories are you know of people who didn't make it anyway,

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:43.879
<v Speaker 2>and we have to say that.

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:45.760
<v Speaker 1>We have to say it. We have to say it.

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>It's the fair thing to acknowledge. And so, long story short,

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>every claim that Gorman looked into, it appeared that the

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>vast majority of them came from one source, Carl Allen,

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and the rest of it was rephrased or embellished afterwards.

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 1>And additionally, all of these claims that he looked into

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be easily disproven by multiple other sources, which

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.799
<v Speaker 1>again would have to be compromised or faked for this

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 1>to be real at this point. But there are other

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>troubling facts. Let's go back to the bar Carl Allen,

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Remember he says, I saw this guy, a survivor of

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 1>those tragic events in forty three. He was in a

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>bar with me, and then poof, he just kaiser, so said,

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>or a nightcrawler banfed teleported something. There's more news on

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that though.

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there were quite a few people that came forward

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.240
<v Speaker 3>claiming to be this person, and not just regular people,

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 3>veterans of the Eldritch and the uss Angstrom which was

0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 3>moored alongside the Eldridge in nineteen forty three. We have

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.399
<v Speaker 3>to know that these kinds of claims were made well

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 3>after the Philadelphia Experiment became the pop culture phenomenon that

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 3>it is today, and in more than one case it

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 3>actually turned out that these guys we're not really veterans

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 3>at all. So it really kind of throws a wrench

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 3>into the works here and doesn't necessarily fully debunk Carl

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Allen's initial story because it seems like the people that

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:14.360
<v Speaker 3>are coming forward making these claims are also being a

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 3>little dishonest themselves, right.

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's a phenomenon that you see whenever a

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>story takes a takes gets a grip on the national consciousness.

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Like whenever there is a suspected or acknowledged serial killer

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>in operating in a city, often law enforcement gets inundated

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>with calls from people who are, for one reason or another,

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 1>either falsely claiming to be the killer, falsely claiming to

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 1>know who it is, et cetera, et cetera. And some

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>of these folks are pranksters. Some of these folks are

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe a little more detached from reality. But there's another

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>huge badger in the bag here. It's the one we

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>have to keep going back to the missing piece of

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the puzzle. Why on Earth did the Office of Naval

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Research called Jessop in the first place? Why did they

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Why did they go to him and not just toss

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>this in the rubbish bin. There are a couple of

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 1>possibilities too. I would say, you're pretty mundane, and one

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I would say is that's all I say, it's.

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll go with you down this this route. So I

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 2>would say the first one is that whatever individuals from

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 2>that office that ended up making it to see Jessup,

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 2>we're just doing it because they wanted to do it,

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 2>they were interested. They got this weird correspondence, and they're like,

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I kind of want to know more. I mean, I

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 2>wonder if this guy's like annotating his own book and

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 2>sending it to us. Let's let's go talk to him.

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.919
<v Speaker 2>This will be this will be fun. Come on, come on, Bill,

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>let's go.

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.360
<v Speaker 3>That's a really good point because, like the fact that

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a government agency, your mind immediately goes toward this

0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 3>is some sort of giant initiative. But these people have

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 3>pretty unilateral abilities to pursue their own stuff, right. I mean,

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 3>that's that's a really good point.

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I love the idea for this one. I love the

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>idea of uh of Jessup going to meet them and

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 1>they're like, actually, we're not meeting in the office, where

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you just come meet me at this coffee shop.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 3>But we're really just fans.

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.840
<v Speaker 1>We're really just just just want to ask if you

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 1>would sign this.

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, deciding if we're thinking about doing a small run, exactly.

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Would you be option this Because we're actually deciding we're

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna pivot careers, We're gonna be like producers.

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Now, a lot of people, you know, have this stereotype

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.800
<v Speaker 1>of us as these uptight guys. But we're just we

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, we like to kick back, fire a few

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>rail guns, work on some alien tech, and and pursue pictures.

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>This is gonna be big for us. Jessup or should

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 1>I say Jimmy.

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 2>And then he's just like, I don't know what you're

0:47:58.640 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 2>talking about.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 3>L is a euphemism for doing cocaine. I'm sorry from

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 3>earlier that never mind rail guy.

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, that's another hit in the history. Uh So

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the first possibility, and it may be mundane, but

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:15.320
<v Speaker 1>it is totally possible.

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>The second is that it could have literally just been

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.680
<v Speaker 1>these guys' job. It was a small I think it

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 1>was a couple of people. It's a couple officials, so

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe they're maybe they're remit was to follow up on

0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:32.759
<v Speaker 1>any and all correspondence, no matter how weird it was,

0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 1>no matter how innocuous, no matter how unimportant. It might

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 1>seem like. Maybe they were treating this with the same

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:45.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of due diligence they would treat a letter from

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a six year old about Santa Claus. Maybe they just

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 1>had to reply to everything and investigate it if it

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>merited for further investigation, so they may not have had

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>any personal interest I could see.

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:05.399
<v Speaker 2>That, or or what else could be hmmm.

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, okay, so what if okay, what if they

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 1>had to read this, they had to read the whole book,

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and there was something in those notes. There was something

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 1>in those notes that was somehow similar to actual classified

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>research Uncle Sam was conducting. Think about that. That's not

0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:29.319
<v Speaker 1>as impossible as it sounds, because there are a ton

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of notes there, and depending on what they're talking about,

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 1>if there's even one note that seems like a legit

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>hint that someone outside of the company knows what the

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Navy's up to.

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Ooh yeah, And we have to be real about this.

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Even if let's say Carlyonde, his writing, his notes, his theories,

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff was complete bunk. But in that writing

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 2>he he like hit upon as Ben is saying something

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:05.279
<v Speaker 2>that's close enough to what was occurring somewhere. Maybe if

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't even there, but just through a conceptualized science

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 2>fiction story, he got close enough they would I can

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 2>imagine that being dangerous in them having to go like

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 2>you said and follow up.

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I mean, look at how much science fiction is

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 3>so prescient of like future technology, you know. I mean

0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 3>that's where a lot of like the idea of futurism

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 3>comes from, is like thought experiments that ultimately become possible.

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 3>And then this is the part. I'm sorry. There's so

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.839
<v Speaker 3>many beats in this story that are just so lovecrafty.

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:36.839
<v Speaker 3>And I know you primed the pump then. But on

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:41.360
<v Speaker 3>April thirtieth, Jessup took his own life, presumably after succumbing

0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:46.359
<v Speaker 3>to Eldritch madness or potentially considering himself a failure as

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 3>a writer.

0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this story haunted him, and he did die by

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:54.360
<v Speaker 1>his own hand, just two years after that initial contact

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>with the Navy.

0:50:55.960 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Much, I have to say it. He died two years

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:06.800
<v Speaker 2>after this interaction with the ONR. There's potential for something

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 2>to feel fishy there. No, it doesn't mean that it is,

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:10.879
<v Speaker 2>but it definitely feels weird.

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have to put it in much much later.

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>The story continues. The nineteen eighty four film The Philadelphia

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Experiment is released, and in nineteen eighty eight a man

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 1>named al Blick bi Lick sees the film and it

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 1>shakes some things loose in his head. He goes public

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and says, I was there. I was on the Aldridge.

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I was part of that experiment. I have been brainwashed

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to forget it, and seeing this film jogged those memories.

0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Loose interesting not the same thing as proof interesting. Carlos

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Ayende Carl Allen lived until nineteen ninety four. He would

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>send letters to any number of people every so often

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:04.880
<v Speaker 1>about the Philadelphia Experiment, further exploring the story and the legend.

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And the same year that Carl passes away, a French

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 1>writer named Jacques F. Vallei v al Ee publishes this

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>article in the Journal of Scientific Exploration called Anatomy of

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a Hoax the Philadelphia Experiment. Fifty years later and he

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 1>receives this letter from a guy named Edward Dudgeon Edward

0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 1>dudgen Us Navy vet. Nineteen forty two nineteen forty five.

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 1>He has a story that relates to the Eldridge.

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Kind of similarly to one of the other stories we

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:44.879
<v Speaker 2>heard earlier, as someone being on board a near ship.

0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.839
<v Speaker 2>That's the one that Carlos Allende and initially put forward.

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 2>He was on this other ship, he observed some of

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.720
<v Speaker 2>this and then went down the rabbit hole. Well, this person,

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Edward Dujan, says that he served aboard the Engstrom the

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 2>uss Engstrom. It was dry docked in Philadelphia Naval Yard.

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 2>If the Philadelphia experiment is to be true, that's also

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 2>where the Eldritch was.

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 3>And that he is.

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Saying that both ships, while they were there and docked

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:17.760
<v Speaker 2>and preparing to operate, had some kind of classified tech

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.879
<v Speaker 2>on board. But according to his story, he wasn't saying

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 2>that this was some kind of invisibility experiment like some

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of cloaking device, nor some kind of teleportation device

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 2>or something designed by extra terrestrials.

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Instead he said they were attempting to scramble

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 1>magnetic signatures of ships using something called degaussing. Degassing is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a way of counteracting a ship's magnetic field

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<v Speaker 1>to establish a condition making the ship seem invisible to

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<v Speaker 1>certain devices.

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<v Speaker 3>Stradar and things like that, not to the eye right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, to protect it from magnetic torpedoes, for instance.

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<v Speaker 1>But god, you'll still see the ship if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>line of sight. So what he says is they wrapped

0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.839
<v Speaker 1>the ship with large cables and zapped it with high

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>voltage charges, so the ship, again it wouldn't be invisible

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<v Speaker 1>to quick clarification, would not be invisible to line of

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<v Speaker 1>sight witnesses. It wouldn't be invisible to radar, but it

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<v Speaker 1>would appear to be invisible to magnetic torpedoes. The pines

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<v Speaker 1>that were used by U boats.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, So what about the green glow that was such

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting feature of the early reports of this experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dungeons says, it's either Saint Elmo's fire or an

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<v Speaker 1>electric storm. But Saint Elmo's fire is kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a glow that occasionally appears around pointy objects during storms.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I understand, that glow is supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>blue in color, not green.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again, if the original account is true, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>the green glow is just a part of the story,

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<v Speaker 2>the lore there. And then you know, this person is

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<v Speaker 2>coming forward and saying, well I was actually there, and

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<v Speaker 2>yeah there was tech and it was for this. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's really all he's confirming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he has a good and interesting explanation about that

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<v Speaker 1>apparently impossible time that the Eldridge allegedly took to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Norfolk and then return to Philadelphia. He says the

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<v Speaker 1>Navy was using inland canals that are off limits to

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<v Speaker 1>civilian vessels, and that allowed them to make the trip

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<v Speaker 1>in six hours instead of two days. But anyway, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're saying is there are other people who are proposing

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<v Speaker 1>more grounded explanations to these alleged events what happened to

0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the ship? Though we've been pretty clear the ship is real.

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:06.919
<v Speaker 1>The ship did exist, and people were crude on it.

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 1>It was commissioned, it was nacked a vessel in the

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<v Speaker 1>Navy until eventually it was sold for scrap, just like

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<v Speaker 1>the Sea Shadow in the nineteen nineties. Doesn't that seem weird?

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<v Speaker 4>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>I get yep, what am I being too sentimental? You guys?

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<v Speaker 1>I would feel like maybe it's the improv mentality coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>But like if we built some awesome super secret technology,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it was outdated, I would be like, come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>this is more than a war machine. Now. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a testament to our friendship and all the cool work

0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 1>we did traveling dimensions.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybes, and there's no reason we should destroy this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and what let's put it on display, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have to point out really quickly, my dear friend,

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<v Speaker 3>who I believe both of you have met, Peyton Fisher

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<v Speaker 3>of Brooklyn, New York. He pointed out that the Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 3>intro for the Philadelphia experiment. He describes it as stinging.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, I love the stinging Wikipedia intro quote. The

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<v Speaker 3>alleged claims do not conform to known physical laws.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, out, she goes, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. It's gonna say sometimes they don't, guys, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when that's when it gets excited.

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<v Speaker 3>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think there's also a there's a real cool

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 1>thing you can do on Wikipedia, especially if you're looking

0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 1>at a subject you feel as controversial. Hop on over

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<v Speaker 1>to the talk tab. Right. Every article starts with one

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 1>tab that just has article, but to the direct right

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<v Speaker 1>of that you'll see the tab that says talk And

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<v Speaker 1>if you get into the right thing, you will find

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>these amazing arguments by very dedicated people. Oddly enough, you

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<v Speaker 1>would think the geopolitical stuff would have more involved acrimonious

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:03.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of exchanges, But the fan fiction things are where

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you see people packing a lot of rhetorical heat. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, stinging accusation and the ship is gone. It

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<v Speaker 1>was scrapped in nineteen nineties as of this recording. If

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<v Speaker 1>you check with the Office of Naval Research today, they

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you they have never conducted experiments on invisibility,

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<v Speaker 1>and that this sort of technology remains squarely in the

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 1>realm of science fiction. However, this is not entirely true.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like invisibility tech is currently being researched by various

0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 1>outfits around the planet. We just don't know of anything

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<v Speaker 1>good enough to do what Carl Allen claimed Uncle Sam

0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:47.680
<v Speaker 1>did back in the forties. But google quantum stealth invisibility.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cool read.

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<v Speaker 3>Or the kind of weird like functional painting version of

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<v Speaker 3>invisibility called dazzle camouflage, where ships were painted with these

0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 3>like weird angular stripes that supposedly made them harder to

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<v Speaker 3>see on the horizon line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was cool to do. Check that out. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we get to the end of the show, we

0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 1>know there is one huge piece of the puzzle. It's

0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 1>a piece you cannot ignore. It's one that's definitely, doubtlessly

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:17.439
<v Speaker 1>been on all of our minds for most of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the real question, where the hell does Philadelphia cream

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:27.760
<v Speaker 1>cheese actually come from? It is not Philadelphia. What it's

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 1>not Philadelphia? We don't know. There may be consequences for

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 1>us disclosing this on air, but cream cheese was invented

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen seventies by a guy in Chester, New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Or he's the first to mass produce it, at least

0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>his name's William Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but Philadelphia, they're the ones that got really good

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<v Speaker 3>at it, and you know, figured out how to make

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<v Speaker 3>it taste like strawberries, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not going to take that one from

0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna let you have that out. The

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<v Speaker 1>The funny thing is, it's just so unrelated to anything.

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<v Speaker 1>He called it Philadelphia cream cheese because he thought it

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<v Speaker 1>sounded classier and fancier because at the time Philadelphia was

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<v Speaker 1>well known for the quality of its dairy industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, but it's still something that Philly residents sort of

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<v Speaker 3>hold on to as like a point of pride. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it only really checks out if he had

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<v Speaker 2>a Southern accent, because Philadelphia, it really is lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's our show. Unfortunately, at this point, it does

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<v Speaker 1>appear that the majority of the really out there claims

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<v Speaker 1>linked to the Philadelphia experiment can be traced to a

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<v Speaker 1>single man, Carl Allen. Additionally, the majority of his claims

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<v Speaker 1>do not seem to hold up to scrutiny, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can either be disproven or they just can't be corroborated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and as we record today, multiple government agencies do

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<v Speaker 3>continue classified research across a wide range of disciplines. Just

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<v Speaker 3>last week, it was reported that the Navy has gone

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<v Speaker 3>public about several of these classified patents.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true, and you can read about this right now.

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<v Speaker 2>A great resource we found was on the drive. They've

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<v Speaker 2>got a I guess it's kind of an imprint within

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the drive is called the war Zone, And there's

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<v Speaker 2>just some great articles coming out of there, Brett Tingly

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<v Speaker 2>or Tingeley and Tyler Rogaway or two authors that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been reading a ton off of that website lately. And

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<v Speaker 2>you can even find like there are great helpful things

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<v Speaker 2>here in these articles, like a Google patent search with

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<v Speaker 2>specifically the Salvator pays guy on here. It's a key

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<v Speaker 2>name that you can look up as you're doing your

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<v Speaker 2>own research. You can see all of the actual patents

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<v Speaker 2>for crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I still want to see the patent for the E

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<v Speaker 3>meter that Mike Render told us about.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something very interesting of foot here with these patents.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we shout out the Invention Secrecy Act of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one, which remains in effect today. Essentially, the folks

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<v Speaker 1>that the journalists are talking to over at the war

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<v Speaker 1>zone have confirmed that the US government spent more than

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<v Speaker 1>a half million dollars over three years specifically to test

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<v Speaker 1>some theories that every other physicist says our pseudoscience. So

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<v Speaker 1>what is the truth here? And when do we find out? Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>And still, why was the ONR so interested in this story?

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<v Speaker 2>One other thing here, we don't have much, if any

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<v Speaker 2>Wikipedia presence as a s oh yeah, what's that about? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have one mention on an old house

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<v Speaker 2>stuff Works entry? Yes, how Stuff Works podcast. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>And a Wiki editor?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, put something on there. We we'd love

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<v Speaker 3>Now. I don't am I incorrectly assume that a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of Wikipedia entries are done by the parties involved themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's true, or maybe a pr agency some

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<v Speaker 1>people higher, but I don't. I don't feel like it's ethical.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't play that way, do we.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And I'm surprised, Matt. I'm surprised that you bring

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<v Speaker 1>this up because some doors don't close.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, situation we're gonna live forever on the wiki.

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<v Speaker 3>But please no stinging opening lines.

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