1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitch Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 2: My guest today is Christigal. Chris is host of the 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: Chris Deagall Show. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Weekdays six to nine on the Salem Radio Network and 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: the Salem News Channel, and daily on the Salem Podcast Network. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: So nice to have you on, Chris. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 3: We worked hard on that show name, Carol, Thank you 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: so much. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: I too struggled with my show name, so I understand. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: Look, sometimes it just is what it is, you know. 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: It's that's right. 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: It's a show, you know, with our names in it. 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: So tell me how you got into this thing of ours? 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Where did you get your start? 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: Got it? 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: You know? 17 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: I started as an overnight DJ in college. I was 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: before I even knew what talk radio was as a thing. 19 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: I started as a DJ because I thought I wanted 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: to talk on the radio. I was a kid, so 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: I didn't really know talk radio, so I thought, well, 22 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: the easiest way to get on the radio and talk 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: was through being a DJ. So I went through a 24 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: lot of painful years pretending to care about the music 25 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 3: I had to play while I was doing entirely too 26 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: much talking, and my bosses kept telling me to shut up. 27 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: And I lost several jobs until finally one boss one 28 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: day said, you know what, we're getting rid of you 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: on afternoon drive on our morning on our music station. 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: We're going to move you to our talk station and 31 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: see how that works out effective Monday. And that was 32 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: the beginning. Back in It's Crazy two thousand and four. 33 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Were you always right of center? I? 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: Yes, I was always a Republican, registered Republican voter. I 35 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: was raised in a Republican home. But I don't think 36 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: I knew really what I was as a thoughtful conservative 37 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: until honestly, until after nine to eleven. That was when 38 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: I really started to think deeply about it for the 39 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: first time of my life. Yeah. 40 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a turning point for a lot of people. 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: When something like that happens, You're like, wait, what do 42 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: I believe here? 43 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: And where do I stand for? 44 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Because because you could drift along in your day to 45 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: day life not really having deep opinions about things, And 46 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. I always encourage my normy friends, like, 47 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: you don't have to be obsessed with politics. 48 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: It's totally okay not to be. 49 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: You know. 50 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: I think probably what did it for a lot of 51 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: the modern era at least people my kids age is 52 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: probably COVID. I bet they talk of COVID someday, like 53 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: we talk about nine to eleven. We gen xers, life 54 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: was pretty easy. The nineties were pretty light and high 55 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: economy was good right in history, right, yeah, And I 56 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: didn't care about anything but just chuckles and laughs and 57 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: trying to get a laugh and be entertaining. I hope 58 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: we're still entertaining. But the severity and the weight of 59 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: the world became very real to me for the first 60 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: time of my young adult life after. 61 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Nine to eleven, you know, right, I guess that's the 62 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: COVID comparison is really good because I know my kids. 63 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they're still fairly young, but there I don't 64 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: think they'll be over for a while. Their lives changed significantly, 65 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: A lot of things changed, and I think that, you know, 66 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: this is where they developed their first ideals and points 67 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: of view. So, without doubt, what would you have done 68 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: if this hadn't worked out? What would have the plan 69 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: be been for Chris true story. 70 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: I was not having a lot of success. I didn't 71 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: think when I graduated from school, trying to get my 72 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: first radio job and. 73 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: Give a great voice. I don't know how that's possible 74 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: that you are struggling. You have a really really good voice. 75 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, thanks very much. Face for radio as they say, 76 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: I am same. Well, no, no, you're beautiful. A guy 77 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: called me that I knew through a guy and he said, hey, 78 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: why don't you come over to this television station in 79 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: town and talk with me about sales. And this television 80 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: sales guy sat down with me, and boy, I just 81 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: got dollar signs in my eyes. I mean, I'm a 82 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: twenty what two three year old guy at that time, 83 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: and he's telling me, oh, you know, you can make 84 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: a mountain of money selling television at time, and I thought, well, 85 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: I guess I should go make money and then I'll 86 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: spare you the details. But long story short, I thought 87 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: my dad at the time was having a heart attack. 88 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: He wasn't, but at the time he had a sudden 89 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: health thing that turned out to be fine and he's fine. 90 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: But I was standing at his bedside. I was about 91 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: to take this job, and my dad says to me, 92 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: this is like a movie moment. He says, son, don't 93 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: don't sell out what you want to do for a living. 94 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: He always wanted to do radio. Don't do that, and 95 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: that just struck me, and so I went right back 96 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: to trying to figure out how to get on the air. 97 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: And I got my first job doing overnight radio not 98 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: too long after that. So I walked away from the 99 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: TV sales job and stayed with it. 100 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: That's you know, it's more amazing than it even sounds, 101 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of parents would want their 102 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: kids to go towards security instead of like the passion 103 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: that they have. 104 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: I do think, like we have these polls all the time. 105 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: There was a Pew Pole a few years ago that 106 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: the number one thing that parents want. 107 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: For their kids is a stable career, like where they 108 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: could you know, make money, and like, you know, far 109 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: down the list was getting married or anything like that, 110 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: of course, but even pursuing your passion. And I think 111 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: a lot of parents would have said, you know, stop 112 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: with the passion, do the thing that makes money. 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: My dad had two influential moments in my life, very specifically, 114 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: and the first time was in high school when I 115 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: didn't know what I wanted to do and I just thought, well, 116 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 3: I'll play football because that's what guys in high school do, 117 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: and that's what my dad, I knew was very good 118 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: at as a kid, and I wanted to make my 119 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: dad happy, and I thought, well, that's a good way 120 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: to be popular. I'll just play football. I was miserable, Carol. 121 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: I hated it. 122 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: I've never hated anything more in my life. And I 123 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 3: remember my dad came to watch my first game and 124 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: I was just I was a dope. I got mowed over. 125 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: I just looked ridiculous. There was no reason I was 126 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: out there. And I walked up to him near tears, 127 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: and I said, Dad, I hate this. I'm sorry. I 128 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: just got to confess I hate it. And I remember 129 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: him saying, well, then, what in the world are you doing? 130 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: Why are you playing it? To play it? Yeah, And 131 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: that also hit me so now as a dad. Two 132 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: things that I remember followed the passion as you just said, 133 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 3: But never impose your own dreams or desires or wishes 134 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: that you had for yourself on your kids. Just let 135 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: them be, you know, and things are going. 136 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: To work about. 137 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: I think it's tough because you do have your preconceived 138 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: notions and paths that you think are going to be 139 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: better for the kid, and you want them to have 140 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: an easier road, so you're trying to give them the 141 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: best advice that you can must and it's going to 142 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: be the things that you believed in or the things 143 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: that you thought would be good for you, but maybe 144 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: not for the kids. 145 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: And now that they're pushing, you know, twenty one, twenty 146 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 3: and seventeen, that's getting harder. I was not pushy with 147 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 3: them in sports and stuff and activities as little kids, 148 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: but now that they're getting to be young adults, now 149 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: is when I start to have to really resist, really pushy. 150 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you want to push them into? Like 151 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: what's the impulse? Well, mine are just a little bit 152 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: younger than yours, so I'm just wondering where I'm going 153 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: to be in a like a few years. My oldest 154 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: is sixteen. 155 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's stuff like they have their own money and 156 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: they want to make a big impulsive decision, like they 157 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: want their first fancy car and car payment. Yeah, and 158 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: you have to say that's a silly waste of money. 159 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: And they say, well that's what I want. It's mine, 160 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 3: I can and you say, well, I guess it is yours, 161 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: you know, and you know they're going to hate it, 162 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: and they do, and they inevitably come home and say, boy, 163 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 3: that was stupid. I should have listened. Yeah, you should 164 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: have having the grace to just let them fall a 165 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: little bit. I think it's that thing of letting them 166 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: know you're there as the backstop. But okay, if you 167 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: want to go out there and walk the plank for 168 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: a minute, go for it. See how it works out 169 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: for you, right, Yeah, and then just be there when 170 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: they're done. 171 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: Tough to watch them walk that plank. 172 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. 173 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: How has the radio world changed in your time since 174 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: you got started? 175 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: Carol? You don't have enough show. This is something I'm 176 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: living in real time right now. This can turn into 177 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: a therapy session. 178 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: Let's do it. I love it. This show has an 179 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: advice component, so come. 180 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: On, help me. Then. I have loved nothing more in 181 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: my entire life to the story about my dad. I mean, 182 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: I knew since fourth grade, my earliest memories, I wanted 183 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: to be on a my microphone talking on the radio. 184 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: I just I had that kind of feeling for it. 185 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: I just I felt it in my soul that that 186 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: was what I wanted, and I worked toward that and 187 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: only that, and I was lucky enough and blessed enough 188 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: to achieve that. And here in just the last I 189 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: don't know, let's say five to ten years really, maybe 190 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: even more recently five everything has won gone like us 191 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: right now, number two, everybody has gone to I don't 192 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: need live anything. I'll just stream it on my schedule. 193 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: So two things that I loved was just the intimacy 194 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: of the audio medium and live appointment listening. Yeah, both 195 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: of those things are effectively dead or becoming more more 196 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: dead if you want, I guess. And there's still a 197 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: place for it, and there will always be a harm 198 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: for it to a degree, but it certainly is not 199 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: what it was, and so I'm trying to kind of 200 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: accept that and not be two old men on the 201 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: porch shaking my face. 202 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: It's tough, yeah, evolve. 203 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: But I miss it. I miss what it was because 204 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 3: it was magic and it still is. It's just, you know, 205 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: people's needs change, their desires change. I get more email 206 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: now about a problem with Apple podcasts not downloaded. Then hey, 207 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: what's wrong. I didn't hear you on the radio this morning, 208 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: And that's It's just a weird thing that I've got 209 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: to evolve with and I'm I'm learning, right. 210 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: So this show is mostly audio. 211 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: I use clips for promo from the video but a 212 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: lot of people say to me, oh, you know, you 213 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: have to get into video, you have to start streaming it. 214 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: But I feel like, I don't know. Maybe I just 215 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: don't know better, but I feel like my listener base 216 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: listens on audio only. They're not on the yout I mean, 217 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: they're of course they're on YouTube, but they're not looking 218 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: for me on YouTube. 219 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: And it's something else that we do together, Caroll. 220 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 3: It's the strangest thing. You probably experienced this with your show. 221 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: I've heard and I see this with my own kids. 222 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: Young people, they don't radio and whatever. It has to 223 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: be video, and not because they're watching video. There's just 224 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: some thing about the physical video playing, even if they're 225 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: not watching it, they need that visual thing there. I 226 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: don't know if that's attention deficit disorder or what that is, 227 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: but that's my kids. They prefer to listen to a 228 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: YouTube video it's on playing. They may not be looking 229 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: at you, Carol, but they're prefer having you visually there 230 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: while listening. 231 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: Something comforting about that, I guess, right like they them 232 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: just like they're having a conversation with somebody. They're sort 233 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: of listening to somebody who's talking to them. If they 234 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: have the video on right. 235 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: Here's my intimacy. My memory was with my kid, my parents. 236 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: Growing up. As a kid, what I loved was my 237 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 3: mother putting on makeup, my dad shaving in the kitchen, 238 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: making breakfast, and there's this guy on the radio that 239 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: they're listening to and laughing with or tuned into something 240 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: he was saying. And I just thought, now, that is 241 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: the most captivating job in the world. This guy in 242 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: a box has my parents full attention this morning as 243 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: they're getting ready for work, and I just said, all 244 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: that I want that, that's the job I want. 245 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's something about that, like just a voice 246 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: in a box. 247 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: And think you're still. 248 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: Able to connect with everybody or a lot of people. 249 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: There's something very You're rightm Intimate is the right word 250 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: for it, because I think there is something intimate about 251 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: it versus having somebody on television which doesn't feel intimate, 252 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: And that to me is what YouTube feels like. But 253 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, we're both just shaking our fists on the lawn. 254 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: You know this is we're going to have to go video, Chris, 255 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: So well, here we are. 256 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: We're doing it. I do it every morning news channel, 257 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: so I've adapted. I don't necessarily like it, but. 258 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: I haven't entirely yet. But I may, I may, I 259 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: may have to. This is where the world is going right. 260 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: You have to meet people where they are. What is 261 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: the thing you're most proud of in your life? 262 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: You know, I would have told you once upon a 263 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: time that it was the fact that here, for now, 264 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: twenty six years more or less, I've made a living 265 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 3: doing this thing that I dreamt of doing as a kid. 266 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: But I realize now, in my more mature years, that 267 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 3: to have pride in that, or to have pride in 268 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: anything I've accomplished at all, is sort of silly, because 269 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: it's weird to say that I'm proud of this. But 270 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: my faith in Christ is something careful for me. Is 271 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: something it took a long time to walk alongside him 272 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 3: and defer to him and hand the controls over to 273 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: him and say none of this is mine. I don't 274 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 3: control any of this. It's always been a gift, and 275 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 3: I've been trying to hang on to it so desperately 276 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: for so long. When I finally figured out let it 277 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: go and let him have it. I'm proud of that, 278 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 3: but in an extraordinarily humble way when I say proud, 279 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: if that makes sense, it's so beautiful. 280 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: I really love the way you said that. 281 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: And I think that being proud in your career is 282 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: it's an important thing, and I think it's a good 283 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: thing to be proud of what you've accomplished. But the 284 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: faith part is absolutely more important. And binding your faith, 285 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: I think, is an accomplishment that a lot of people 286 00:12:59,040 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: don't get to have. 287 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: And may I say, Covid off the top, we said it. 288 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: Covid did lot. Covid did it to me. I mean 289 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: I really had to do some deep, deep soul searching 290 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: area a little before Covid. To be honest, I'll bore 291 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: you with that story some other time, but no. 292 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: Warm me with it now. What was the impetus? 293 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: Well, I was a terrible drinker, to be perfectly honest 294 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: with you. I had a real alcohol problem and for 295 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: years in this business. That's what drove me to it. 296 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I loved this business with my whole heart, 297 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: but the stress of it was great and it and 298 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: still is. But I couldn't cope with it, and so 299 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: I drank heavily for a long time. And it was 300 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: finally then that in twenty nineteen. I after a long 301 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: battle with it, I finally I had a real moment 302 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 3: John five moment, if you want very specifics. It was 303 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: in a service and it was on John chapter five, 304 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: the Man at the Pool of Bethesda. And I just 305 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 3: had this moment with the Lord where he said, are 306 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: you going to walk with me? Are we doing this? 307 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: You go to church every Sunday? Do you believe what 308 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: you say? Do you really want to be the drunk 309 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 3: at the bar? Or are you going to represent me 310 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: and walk with me and trust here? What's the day? 311 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I just had this kind of It was 312 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: like a coach sitting on the sidelines, coming, are you 313 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 3: ready to play by the rules or and walk with 314 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: me and do this the right way? Or are you 315 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: going to keep trying to handle it yourself? And I 316 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 3: had this real moment where I finally just kind of 317 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 3: collapsed and gave it over in a pretty physical way. 318 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: I literally just kind of I fell and the keep 319 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: and wept for a while and handed it over and 320 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: I quit drinking that day. I'm really seven years sober now. 321 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and incredibly impressive. 322 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 323 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: Thanks, And I don't again, I'm not saying it to 324 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: boast it's not my own. 325 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: It's something you accomplish. 326 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: And with the faith component, I think all of that 327 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: is an important story to tell. It's so hard to 328 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: convey to young people what faith does for them, and 329 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: I think that's such a point A to point B 330 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: story where here is something that my faith has helped 331 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: me achieve. 332 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with boasting about that. 333 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: If you can relinquish this perceived power that you think 334 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: you have over your circumstances, I think it can all 335 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: be a lot better off. 336 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, very well said. 337 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 338 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Markowitz Show. Give us a five 339 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: year out prediction, and it could be about anything at all. 340 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: I would think this is my hope. I'd like to 341 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: predict this out of both hope and that sincerely humanity 342 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: will go this way. This AI thing, yeah, I think 343 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: is going to drive people to a place where they're 344 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: going to demand proof of authenticity. I think we may 345 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: go retro and people may start demanding somehow whatever that 346 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: looks like. I don't know if that's laws, I don't 347 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: know if that's stamps of approval. I don't know what 348 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: it looks like. But I think people are going to 349 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: really hunger for a day when human created art forms 350 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: right and created content, human interaction, human written word. I 351 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: think that's going to be invaluable eventually when we go 352 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: so far the other direction with AI. 353 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: So I get a lot of AI answers to that question, 354 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: but most of them are very pessimistic, and this one 355 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: is far or if they're optimistic, they're optimistic in a 356 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: AI is going to be so amazing for everything, and 357 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be you know, it's going to take 358 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: over all of our jobs, but that's going to be 359 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: the greatest thing ever. Yours is a little different. It's 360 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: that you're optimistic about AI's future. In bringing us back 361 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: to more of an analog time, would you say that 362 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: that's right? 363 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: I do, And the reason I think that's true I 364 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: hate sounding like a broken record. I see what COVID did, 365 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: and I specifically see it in a lot of people. 366 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: It was extremely life changing for me. 367 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: So please don't worry about talking about COVID too much. 368 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: I could talk about it all day, Carol. 369 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: I think the women in this country. I have seen 370 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: such an inspirational change in the women, not even the men, 371 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: and I'm not saying it to Pander. I have seen 372 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: women become some of the most unbelievably true, additional conservative grounded. 373 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: They've become these kind of tiger mom types in the 374 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: best way. It's about homesteading in the home and homeschooling 375 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: and breadmaking and raising matters. 376 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: You know. 377 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: It turns out that everything we thought mattered didn't, and 378 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: COVID really put that into focus. 379 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: That's it. And I've seen it in my own family 380 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: with my wife and my sister in law and friends 381 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: of mine. Really women out in the COVID era, I 382 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 3: think homeschooling, Christian education, abandoning the traditional public school system 383 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 3: that's all been shattered thanks to COVID. 384 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, moving from blue states to red states, that 385 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: was my COVID story. 386 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: I mean, where did you go? 387 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: Where did you from. 388 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: New York to Florida, very very public move where I 389 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: was never going to leave New York. 390 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: I was lifelong New Yorker. 391 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: I was you know, I was the kind of person 392 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: that would tweet stuff like, I'm sure your city's nice, 393 00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: but come on. 394 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: It's like you were on my show talking about that. 395 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: Probably Yeah, I'm sure I was. Yeah, it was uh 396 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 2: I wrote about it quite a bit. It was it 397 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: was life changing. 398 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: Oh so happy, it's four years and so happy. And 399 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: the thing that you were saying to bring it back 400 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: to the five year prediction, but like it changed. 401 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 2: Times of change. 402 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: Can make you refocused, and I thought that that's what 403 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: COVID was to me too. It was a moment where 404 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: you realize things that you thought mattered. Like I thought 405 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: being a New Yorker was very important to me, very 406 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: central to my identity. I tossed it so fast that 407 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: it never even I never even looked back, Like it 408 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: mattered so much more to be a mother who was 409 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: taking care of her children and bringing them to like 410 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: more freedom and you know, doing what's best for them 411 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: and taking them out of a bad situation. All of that, 412 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, was just again brought into focus in a 413 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: real way with COVID. And so I think your analogue 414 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: example with AI is is hopeful because so many people 415 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: are afraid, and I think that you could absolutely have 416 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: a return to what's real and maybe we can refocus 417 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: on that. 418 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: It's what you said was so brilliantly put. It was 419 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: exactly the same for me professionally, When your identity is 420 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: tied up in being a New Yorker or a talk 421 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: show host or whatever thing that I in my mind, 422 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: that's not the right way to be wired. And sometimes 423 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 3: it takes really dramatic things for you to ass what 424 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: am I really Whose? Am I really? Right? 425 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, worldwide pandemic is all it took. That's all well, Chris, 426 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: I have loved this conversation. I've love getting to know 427 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: you a little bit more. Leave us here with your 428 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 1: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve 429 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: their lives. 430 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: Spend time in the Word of God. Spend time around 431 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: people of God who appreciate and understand and share your values. 432 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: And third and final, I just say, shut social media off. 433 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, schedule sometimes to do. 434 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, shot it off, get away, turn me off, turn 435 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: Carol off, turn and you know, make time for Carol. 436 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 2: Sure for us, Yeah, it's right. 437 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: Schedule it and then put it away, and then spend 438 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: time outside or in the Word, or in a book 439 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 3: or with people you love. We shouldn't be too consumed 440 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 3: with all consuming media. 441 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: That's right. He is Christigal. 442 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: Check out the Christigal Show on the Salem Radio Network 443 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: and the Salem News Channel and Daily on the Salem 444 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Thank you so much for coming on, Chris, 445 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: it was my pleasure. 446 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: Carol, thank you so much for the invitation.