Speaker 1: Welcome every one to another episode against the Chronicles. I'm
Speaker 1: with my homeboy James McDonald and we got a special
Speaker 1: another dude to here, man spent another addition to the crew.
Speaker 1: Man to my boy, you know, I'll be leaving pretty soon.
Speaker 1: I know your motherfucker's getting sick of seeing me, So
Speaker 1: I'll be going back to my executive producer posts. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll be piecing y'all. My boy, Reggie right will be
Speaker 1: coming home very shortly. What's up, Cafario, what's happening. I'm
Speaker 1: glad to be here a monkst men man, So tell me, man,
Speaker 1: what is it that you're gonna bring to the show man.
Speaker 1: It's a little different man, mm hmm. Insight like, insight
Speaker 1: like the life that we've lived, the life that a
Speaker 1: lot of young brothers and sisters are living today. Um,
Speaker 1: if you can survive it, then you gain a great
Speaker 1: deal of practical wisdom. Insight, right, So that's what I
Speaker 1: intend to bring because I put a lot into really
Speaker 1: analyzing my past and about the things that I've done
Speaker 1: and why I did them, and I learned a lot
Speaker 1: about that. So that's what I offer inside. Oh for sure, man,
Speaker 1: I just can't wait to see because it's a powerful trio. Man.
Speaker 1: When um, James and Reggie is together. Man, and now
Speaker 1: you man, I think it's gonna be something awesome. Man.
Speaker 1: I can kind of sit back there, man and pupp
Speaker 1: it Matt do my thing yet, because that's really what
Speaker 1: I you know, that's what I do. I didn't start
Speaker 1: this show for me. It's always been about this brother, Reggie,
Speaker 1: and now you you know what I'm saying that it
Speaker 1: was on your mind and just you know, me sitting
Speaker 1: back kind of molding it so one thing I want
Speaker 1: to do today. Man. It was a big thing on
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club the day with my homeboy Charlotte Mane
Speaker 1: Um that Mac teen offered Snoop Dogg a million dollars
Speaker 1: back in the day. And you know what, I remember
Speaker 1: what was crazy about that. At that time Mac team
Speaker 1: was about four years old, and I don't think he
Speaker 1: ever gets really truly the credit that he deserves as
Speaker 1: an executive, you know, because a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know those West Side Connection albums, those was Mac putting
Speaker 1: them out. Cube didn't want to do those projects, so
Speaker 1: that was Mac taking upon himself with his money and
Speaker 1: you know, resources and putting those together and they both
Speaker 1: of them win double platinum. You know. So he was
Speaker 1: always a good executive, you know that. Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: the one of the few. So low key though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's low key a few words. Mac Own is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest touring agencies in the country. Got a
Speaker 1: ton of real estate investments. Brother okay, sar brother. Man,
Speaker 1: he needs he needs to be well. I'd say he
Speaker 1: needs to be a little more vocal, But I don't
Speaker 1: know the degree to which he already is vocal. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It might he might be. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard any of those things. Yeah, sometimes when you're
Speaker 1: sitting in the millions, man, you don't want anybody to
Speaker 1: know your business. You know, I'm not talking about telling life,
Speaker 1: teaching them what teaching them? Life had to wrap? What
Speaker 1: do you do have to wrap? A lot of these
Speaker 1: guys start their own businesses and making sure other people
Speaker 1: get out there show You know me, I'm clueless on it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was doing anything. I thought he
Speaker 1: was happily married, living large. He doing this team. You
Speaker 1: know he's doing it. You know he was my hero
Speaker 1: alone for being married to t Bons, for lock of
Speaker 1: two Bons down you know. So you know, you know
Speaker 1: Mac didson, you know, as you say, every time I
Speaker 1: touched him. You know, still I do players ship. That's
Speaker 1: how Mac talk perhip years. I haven't see Max and
Speaker 1: Don Diva days. Actually, I'm gonna call my homeboy right now. Man.
Speaker 1: That man, maybe they're Wayne in there. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: he was with cash Money. That's where he met Mac.
Speaker 1: What's happening, man, what's up with you? Oh? Man? Shoot? Man?
Speaker 1: We appear man, just talking about your ball and magnificent ways. Man.
Speaker 1: I was telling Homie Cavar you and James. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: Mac is got one of the biggest touring agencies in
Speaker 1: the country. Man, he's um a real estate mogo. Man
Speaker 1: that has just done very fine man. And you know
Speaker 1: they was like for real. I was like, yeah, Mac,
Speaker 1: and I interuptate your voice. I said, that's what MACI
Speaker 1: tell you, Man, I do players shop all day? HOI
Speaker 1: payership players should all do so you know, you know
Speaker 1: I don't follow rappers and do nothing of that, but
Speaker 1: you know some guys out there, you know, I got
Speaker 1: respect for him that and I don't even know him,
Speaker 1: uh such as you ump right right and and your
Speaker 1: ship was just one hunted. I've always want to ask you, though,
Speaker 1: how did you do ice Cube and dove C being
Speaker 1: a b dog in the middle. I just stayed. I
Speaker 1: just stayed me, James. It was about the bag with me, right,
Speaker 1: I'm from Eklewood, you know what I'm saying, and that
Speaker 1: that that that's what it is. You know it was
Speaker 1: gonna be that way about let you know, whoever I
Speaker 1: was affiliated with, I just stood me. Oh you represented
Speaker 1: like a mug. But I know there was some controversy
Speaker 1: somewhere around there because I know, uh dove C was
Speaker 1: it was a real one from where I from what
Speaker 1: I was told, and but but but you know, I
Speaker 1: think you know, it was a mutual respect thing, you know,
Speaker 1: just just just like you know, when what what what
Speaker 1: When you get a monst real ones, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you're a real one. And when you get
Speaker 1: a monst real ones, you know that's how real ones
Speaker 1: carried themselves looking for no problems. It's all about respect,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so that's how I
Speaker 1: always carried it. You know, I ain't never man them
Speaker 1: dudes from where they was from, and I ain't never
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I never gave them no
Speaker 1: issues about that, because they never gave me no issues
Speaker 1: about me being one for body respected everybody who who who?
Speaker 1: You know, we respected each other, you know, I think,
Speaker 1: I think the real ones. The only time it's a
Speaker 1: problem isn't when a line of respect is crossed, you know.
Speaker 1: So so so if everything stayed respectful, it don't matter
Speaker 1: where nobody from. You know, I was about the bag,
Speaker 1: right right, get your money, you're about you, you know
Speaker 1: about the bag. Then it's still about the bag now.
Speaker 1: And that's what I tell people. I say, Man, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew a whole lot of rappers, as you know, Mac,
Speaker 1: and you know, not to put nobody out there because
Speaker 1: we did not about them on this show, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people haven't managed their finances the greatest. You know,
Speaker 1: You've done some incredible things, man, like very very impressive things.
Speaker 1: And I'm very glad, you know. I mean, you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff business wives that we're doing together, man,
Speaker 1: And I'm really glad. And it's privileged, you know, to
Speaker 1: be around a person like you, just not because you're
Speaker 1: Mac team, but because of them the knowledge about business
Speaker 1: that you bring to the game. You know, right right.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what it's about, this business, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and and like I said, I this ain't
Speaker 1: then no goofy ship. A lot of these dudes get sidetracked,
Speaker 1: you know, being involved with dumb ship. And I just
Speaker 1: that ship never interests me. Man. I've always been a
Speaker 1: low key kind of guy. And the only thing I
Speaker 1: was serious about, you know, when they come to business
Speaker 1: is getting to the back, getting to the money. You know,
Speaker 1: if it's some ship that's gonna interfere with that when
Speaker 1: it comes to business, then you need to eliminate that
Speaker 1: part from business. You know what I'm saying, distract because
Speaker 1: because that's like hustling backwards. Yeah. Yeah, that's why why
Speaker 1: I try to stay like out of the way. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't try to step on nobody toast, don't nobody.
Speaker 1: We don't want nobody to step on mine, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'll never bite into that bullshit click bait and
Speaker 1: all this other ship with this social media type ship.
Speaker 1: Like that's why I stay away from a lot of it,
Speaker 1: because a lot of this ship sometimes to suckers ship, man,
Speaker 1: because it's just it's just you know, it's not really ethico.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, so I just try
Speaker 1: to stay respectful, man, and this is just stay in
Speaker 1: my lane. Well, like you said, man, it's it's definitely
Speaker 1: a distraction man and me. And you don't want to
Speaker 1: court when it comes. I think all of us sitting
Speaker 1: at this table, I don't want to court with that
Speaker 1: because we've never been about that on this show, you know,
Speaker 1: all the stuff, because it's it's clown ship at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, so you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't look good with a red nose on. So
Speaker 1: I just do me, You do me and stuff. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: I know one thing about it. Man. It's like you know,
Speaker 1: everybody always talking about Jay. I married Beyonce, I said, Man,
Speaker 1: Mac was my hero. When I heard he was marrying
Speaker 1: home girl. Man, I said, oh my god, man, this
Speaker 1: dude nigga, I said, Inglewood nigga, A real gangster, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I said, here on made tea
Speaker 1: bars man, I said, Man, this dude. And every time
Speaker 1: I saw Max a distance, he was always the one
Speaker 1: like he was the first Rods words I saw in person,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the first thing. And
Speaker 1: I was smoking cigars and stuff and I was like
Speaker 1: and winning khaki suits at that. Yeah, I remember saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm remember said him in the lincol low Rider nag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Cavarrio said he saw you in a little run.
Speaker 1: I mean, what uh, what up? What up? What up?
Speaker 1: Though Mac's having a brother. I'm good, my brother. It's
Speaker 1: been a long while, bro, I haven't seen you, says
Speaker 1: um My Don Diva days since I was doing My
Speaker 1: Don Diva magazine. Yeah. Man, yeah, but it was always
Speaker 1: love man, Um. Right before you got on the phone, Jane,
Speaker 1: I mean m Norm was saying about the real estate
Speaker 1: company and the travel agent seeing so far touring agency.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yo, does he get out there? Like
Speaker 1: he needs to be more out there? And Norm was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he don't want people, you know, knowing about
Speaker 1: his bread and this and the other. I was saying, No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in terms of the education that he
Speaker 1: got for himself that enabled him to come from being
Speaker 1: who he was to who he is. Because that information
Speaker 1: is it can't even be measured how valuable that information is,
Speaker 1: because that's the information that transforms brothers like us who
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like you said, you don't manage yourselves.
Speaker 1: Well well you know the way I look at that's type. Man.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad Man can business with me so I
Speaker 1: can get to the bag man, you know, and get
Speaker 1: us right, you know what I'm saying, and let the
Speaker 1: mother dude figure it out. Oh no you paid, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is it. You pay for it. You pay for
Speaker 1: that information, you know what I mean. Like it's it's school.
Speaker 1: But people only respect what they pay for, right right,
Speaker 1: you know. But you know Mac is a sharp brother man,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I got the friendship with him, you know.
Speaker 1: On all serious that I do. Man, good brother man,
Speaker 1: and he stay out the way the mess. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's always a positive interaction with him. Man.
Speaker 1: And we didn't go hold you up for no long time, Matt.
Speaker 1: We just want to touch in with you. Man. We
Speaker 1: appreciate it because we you know, I want to talk
Speaker 1: too much because we got something that's more in death coming. Man.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you on boy, it's all good man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you all much love and respect, much love
Speaker 1: back my brother, absolutely all right. One that we had
Speaker 1: we had Mac one old man. Like I said, Man, one,
Speaker 1: you know that don't talk about you know that, don't
Speaker 1: put his business out there. You ain't gonna never see
Speaker 1: him in the Four of Us and all that. Man.
Speaker 1: But when I tell you he's getting it, he really
Speaker 1: getting it, you know what I mean. It's just crazy
Speaker 1: because you don't find communing like that that's in the
Speaker 1: business that survived it, yes, especially back in that day business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with then it's crazy how you don't get involved or
Speaker 1: how you couldn't have been involved and all the ship
Speaker 1: that was going on in rap music because you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this motherfucker had a show and then this
Speaker 1: motherfucker comes. I gotta beat with this. Everybody had to
Speaker 1: beat with somebody to make it out of that. It
Speaker 1: shows you, like thatth road, it shows you what not
Speaker 1: to do, especially me, It shows me what not to
Speaker 1: do and which way you don't want to go, because
Speaker 1: I've already been down that road, so I'm already knowing
Speaker 1: I'm going left, going right, I'm going left. I ain't
Speaker 1: going where y'all going. So it's crazy that and you
Speaker 1: see like like uh, master p, how those dudes just
Speaker 1: made it selling ship out of the car and made it.
Speaker 1: But but so much controversy and then here here you
Speaker 1: have it. These guys is here to talk about it today,
Speaker 1: you know, and still got money. Is another guy that's
Speaker 1: doing really well still really we're still living off his money.
Speaker 1: That yeah, you still doing really well man. So hip
Speaker 1: hop has definitely been good to a lot of these brothers. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, um, it swallowed up a lot
Speaker 1: of brothers too, sallow up a gang of people. Man,
Speaker 1: swallowed up a gang of people. You know. And like
Speaker 1: you talked about that, Eric James, when was that man
Speaker 1: that was doing the so called East West conflict? Man,
Speaker 1: that was a real dangerous time, man, because I had
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of homeboys in New York at that time.
Speaker 1: And I had homeboys me living before the death Row ship.
Speaker 1: Uh you had you had rappers that was really out
Speaker 1: there going at each other before death Row. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: hill Ship just came out where it was. It was.
Speaker 1: You have to know about it because the way going
Speaker 1: to New York, Atlanta and all this other different ship
Speaker 1: it was always an issue. And then the guns came
Speaker 1: to play and then she'll brought gang bang into the
Speaker 1: rap like real strong. You know what I'm saying. Would
Speaker 1: you say that was that was largely shot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't it wasn't hidden like that. At first,
Speaker 1: cast was just going at it, you know, seeing each
Speaker 1: other and didn't didn't like each other ship. Then the
Speaker 1: next stage it was this rapper talking about this rapper
Speaker 1: because now they see it's more money and and battle rap,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So then here comes shoot.
Speaker 1: She'll just set the ship over the top, She'll run
Speaker 1: twenty gang members and and unleashed have at it. Whoever
Speaker 1: you rob, you rob, that's your money. So all the
Speaker 1: wolves was out there eating and taking over ship. So
Speaker 1: now the fear come in. People were so afraid of
Speaker 1: not just shoot, but death roll, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because they know when they see death row, they could
Speaker 1: be a victim. Well yeah, exactly. You know what the
Speaker 1: East coast West coast thing that was going on for
Speaker 1: a long time. Man, another one of my homeboys, man
Speaker 1: was in the two Live crew, believe it's not Mr Mix,
Speaker 1: who was originally from Riverside, California. A lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know that from the two Live crew, and he
Speaker 1: was telling me back in the day, man, how yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he was telling me back in the day
Speaker 1: how they would do shows and run DM see in
Speaker 1: them and you know, New York the epicenter of hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the birthplace to start it all. Say,
Speaker 1: look at these country dudes up there with the girls
Speaker 1: on stage shaking their booties to be like you know
Speaker 1: that ship wat or whatever. He was telling me, they
Speaker 1: would turn the lights off on him and ship you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, just stuff like that. It was like, really,
Speaker 1: but he said that that's how they got cool with
Speaker 1: Cube and all of them to down South brothers and
Speaker 1: the West Coast dudes. When they was on the road,
Speaker 1: they was kind of figuring like, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: it's only us out here. We were all these New
Speaker 1: York cats, so we could hold each other down. So
Speaker 1: that's why you say today it's still kind of a
Speaker 1: camaraderie with the South and the West Coast. There's never
Speaker 1: been no issues because they kind of when they were
Speaker 1: starting off together. Man, it was kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: I should have tried to hit Mr Mix up man,
Speaker 1: so we could tell with them stories. He told me
Speaker 1: about the time to him and looking them almost got
Speaker 1: into it with them cats man. Yeah, on the road, Yeah,
Speaker 1: dudes cutting off their lives they're doing the show because
Speaker 1: they was mad, because um, they were going a thing, man,
Speaker 1: And you know, these dudes was the headliners at first,
Speaker 1: but by the time the tour in, you know, to
Speaker 1: live them as the headlines of the show because they're
Speaker 1: like they're killing it. They're killing the performance. It's two
Speaker 1: live crew is in w A. They all going out there, right,
Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, too short, they say, too short,
Speaker 1: go out there with just you know, they said, Big
Speaker 1: Daddy came to them up there and stuff. Man with
Speaker 1: these elaborate steaks setups, and too short, come out there
Speaker 1: with some cagies on a T shirt and go be action.
Speaker 1: The whole crowd go crazy, and it's like eventually he
Speaker 1: headlined the whole show. And it's like, you know, they're
Speaker 1: looking at these dudes with these like kind of like
Speaker 1: really remedial rhymes compared to some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: the Brothers in New York was doing, it like is
Speaker 1: this possible? You know what I mean? But that all man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not even man to bring back the negativity of it. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that we all passed that because really
Speaker 1: everybody kind of sounded like the from down South right now.
Speaker 1: This kid, I just really got like my guys over
Speaker 1: the last few weeks that you know, we've been out here,
Speaker 1: um working on you know the things we're working on. Um,
Speaker 1: they've been playing a lot of stuff in me. You know,
Speaker 1: I got I got us all in this big house, right.
Speaker 1: So everybody's there, and so they're playing the TV and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, who's that? Who's that? And everybody. A
Speaker 1: lot of them sound the same to me. A lot
Speaker 1: of them using an auto tone ship but auto tunes,
Speaker 1: but they do all sound or are from Atlanta, like
Speaker 1: you know, like they're all from the South, specifically Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That's what's dominating right now. That that sound, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about hip hop though, man,
Speaker 1: is that it bounces around the country. Man. And because
Speaker 1: you know what to believe it or not, Man, wish
Speaker 1: the cat that just that rest in Peaks, Man, that's
Speaker 1: that kid. That kid's voice was phenomenal. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a real London England sound. A lot of people I
Speaker 1: used to go down you know, and it sounds like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't call it real back then. It was called
Speaker 1: nels man. But London always had a real progressive songs
Speaker 1: when I was going over there, like in two thousand three.
Speaker 1: I would hear those beats over there and I'll be like, man,
Speaker 1: this ship is kind of you know the dudes over
Speaker 1: the rap like bloody mate. Yeah, you know, they had
Speaker 1: a lot certain patterns. Their music was just reginal, know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was the grime grime so before
Speaker 1: drill music with drill music, it was grime. Yeah. Grime
Speaker 1: is kind of like the guy father to drill music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: grime is like that grime music. And I know some
Speaker 1: of the clubs in England just like they was wasn't
Speaker 1: booking a lot of the gangster rap acts out here.
Speaker 1: They wasn't booking the um the grime max over there
Speaker 1: because it was brothers in the club getting stabbed. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't really have they got guns in England, but
Speaker 1: you would get stabbed over there like a mother know
Speaker 1: what roadman out there? Yeah, you know they got a
Speaker 1: lot of the Africans man and the Jamaican dudes. You know,
Speaker 1: you get stabbed about them, missed the round. I gotta
Speaker 1: home mee out there. Who actually helped me to launched
Speaker 1: Don Diva in London only name is Speedy St John
Speaker 1: and he got deported. Back in the eighties, is run
Speaker 1: around out there in d C. Body snatching. You know,
Speaker 1: they used to rob rob hustles a ship like that,
Speaker 1: so him and his crew they got shipped off. That's
Speaker 1: about to tell people. Man, this gangsters all over the world. Man,
Speaker 1: you can't really all over the world. So you'd be
Speaker 1: somewhere in Germany the bottom thinking you could about to
Speaker 1: be missing with some dudes. Drink some tea and I say, man, fly,
Speaker 1: give me a car. I dry that shark and take
Speaker 1: my gun with me. I don't worry about getting stabbed show.
Speaker 1: I'd rather be you do j flying. I don't wait, man,
Speaker 1: I've always believed I'm not been in falling the water
Speaker 1: and get aden by a shark or crocking down gators.
Speaker 1: When we do these Gangster Chronicle shows next year, we
Speaker 1: gonna put you on a boat with your car. Right
Speaker 1: boat ride long boy. I sit on that mother but
Speaker 1: too much. If I gotta get there, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: leave me for y'all. That's all I got. Yeah, Australia
Speaker 1: all that, but that flight in itself, man, I was
Speaker 1: too goddamn boards shitting there and the little drinks I mean,
Speaker 1: you can only drink so many of them to go
Speaker 1: to sleep. Wake up, you're still You're still in the
Speaker 1: air eighteen hours, eighteen hours, nineteen hours straight through. If
Speaker 1: I travel that far, bro, I'm not coming back for
Speaker 1: a month. No. I stayed out there nine days. It
Speaker 1: came from man. I was worried about James not coming
Speaker 1: back because he has. My wife heard that right now.
Speaker 1: She'd be like, he's he's not lying. Yeah, we know
Speaker 1: what's funny about it. You know, caress one, don't don't
Speaker 1: fly man. He goes over the Europe by boat, man,
Speaker 1: give me a car. What he goes, you can Rope.
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about Europe. I ain't going to Europe there.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm gonna go wherever I can, if
Speaker 1: it's in car, if I can get in the car,
Speaker 1: I'm going there in the car. No I say that
Speaker 1: if I go just like when I was in Australia,
Speaker 1: some of them sitting and all that ship. I had
Speaker 1: to get on the plane our flight. What's the fucking sense.
Speaker 1: Let's just rent a car, Let's just drive to these
Speaker 1: motherfucking playing huh So just going to these places and
Speaker 1: that to get on the goddamn plane. Then makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. I'm scared of drop falling. I don't want
Speaker 1: to fall, so like I'm gonna tell James, I meet
Speaker 1: him over the tell but we'd be over there there.
Speaker 1: You can leave three days before us, the four days before,
Speaker 1: so we meet you over there for real. They don't
Speaker 1: do something because I can't be in the car. But
Speaker 1: I can't do a bus though I can travel by
Speaker 1: any means, you know. But the idea of being on
Speaker 1: a plane for eighteen hours, yes, but you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: if the opportunity is big enough, I'll do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was well worth it going
Speaker 1: out there. Everything was free, ship, rooming, board food. Now
Speaker 1: that ship was free, and that people are beautiful. Oh man,
Speaker 1: it's nothing like here, nothing like here to make you
Speaker 1: shave you. I don't want to go home really because
Speaker 1: every fucking body is nice. Everybody. You don't see none
Speaker 1: of this ship out there somewhere like that. It's a
Speaker 1: beautiful time. I end up somewe like that. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm just in the woods and just wake up and
Speaker 1: you just see this clear ass ocean. Just man, that
Speaker 1: would be it for me. Bro what was it? But
Speaker 1: I had to come home. I had a grandkid I
Speaker 1: had to get back to. You don't have to take
Speaker 1: care of you know, saying so, I don't like rehashing
Speaker 1: these old moments, man, But talking to Mac, y'all were
Speaker 1: smashing so hard back then with death. Roman Boy wasn't
Speaker 1: there for a time. Man. Did you ever have any
Speaker 1: communication with Sugar about that? Y'all was kind of doing
Speaker 1: too much, because I know you talked about this sometimes
Speaker 1: that you since the stuff was kind of going too
Speaker 1: far at the again, at the beginning, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was fresh out of prison, you know before. I mean,
Speaker 1: our bullshit started in eight eight when I got out
Speaker 1: of prison. Um, the ship that we was involved in
Speaker 1: and and you know, studios and all this other ship
Speaker 1: and and just being us. You know, we would walk
Speaker 1: into some ship, you know what I'm saying, and you know,
Speaker 1: going into ruthless records, you know, walking up in their
Speaker 1: motherucking demanding contracts and ship like that. Um, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was some ship. Man. We gotta slow down. So he
Speaker 1: was there for all legs. He was right there, up
Speaker 1: close and personal for all of them, gathering up the
Speaker 1: contracts and everything. I was in there. I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in there. I ain't gonna see what I did,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was. I was that dude like
Speaker 1: to the security with with just a little videos, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And who was there with the
Speaker 1: twins in there at the time, like the big Olds
Speaker 1: more dudes, No, no, this is this is a black brother.
Speaker 1: He was about maybe six six, big brother and he
Speaker 1: was standing at the door of Jelly Jerry's uh office.
Speaker 1: Because you're going ruthless, go to the right, straight on
Speaker 1: down the Heart's Jerry ship easy was there. So just
Speaker 1: just knowing what we're going for. Okay, everything in there
Speaker 1: is gonna be sitting down and we can't let him move.
Speaker 1: So when we walked in and she'll got a pacific
Speaker 1: point he was going to and that's to Jerry his office.
Speaker 1: So going in there, everything else I gotta make stop.
Speaker 1: And everything stopped going the hand of your business closed, dough,
Speaker 1: y'all do y'all thing. You know what I'm saying, Everything
Speaker 1: that belong to them, you're gonna stay outside of this.
Speaker 1: Though it would have been across to come, I would
Speaker 1: have locked the door. I knew these motherfucker's was coming out.
Speaker 1: He didn't expect it. Um a lot of ship that
Speaker 1: that it was just walk in and I assume and
Speaker 1: she walked out of the would check to unexpected just
Speaker 1: you old us for this and Dre got the contracts
Speaker 1: and Dre Michel came with us when they told you
Speaker 1: it was this much money, Well he already knew that
Speaker 1: that because Easy Easy Officer was at his house and
Speaker 1: the contracts that Easy have. Chill didn't get that. So
Speaker 1: that's when Easy made the song. You know, Dreda still
Speaker 1: is his payday, so he was still getting his money.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't he went no food, just like with straight
Speaker 1: out of Counting that movie. The way they did that ship,
Speaker 1: it was totally a fucking lie, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It totally a fucking lie. Easy didn't come to the
Speaker 1: office and get his ask. Well, Nicks jumped on him
Speaker 1: and then he walked away and then said, hell no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't real. Dre wasn't punching on no mother. Dray
Speaker 1: would have got his ass wood And I'm telling that,
Speaker 1: I hope you hear me, motherfucker, if you would have
Speaker 1: touched one of the homies, everybody that I hired and
Speaker 1: that my brother brought there, all the homies was bigger
Speaker 1: than me. They was six three six four and the
Speaker 1: motherfucker's had yokes. So if Drey would have hit any
Speaker 1: one of them penitentiary as niggers, he didn't even got raped,
Speaker 1: but you probably wouldn't mind y'all gonna cut that, but
Speaker 1: he'd have got raped, and he just seriously got his
Speaker 1: ass what So, Yeah, all that ship was bullshit, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The way they made them look
Speaker 1: and the way they made us look was a fucking joke,
Speaker 1: a fucking jokes. Why did Why do you think they
Speaker 1: did that? Why they wore the downland? I did the
Speaker 1: same thing with Peyton for if. And you get to
Speaker 1: see anybody that be one with their character and how
Speaker 1: they how they conduct business. Everybody got to put water
Speaker 1: in and you know what I'm saying, I can't go
Speaker 1: in him be one huntred with it because everybody know
Speaker 1: who I am. Now, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: they gotta lie. They gotta fabricate a whole bunch of ship,
Speaker 1: which in that movie they did that that was come on, man,
Speaker 1: Dre did never raise his voice and Snoop, we're good.
Speaker 1: But Snoop didn't walk in death roll. What'side a car?
Speaker 1: What's no, no, no, no, nothing like that, not carrying
Speaker 1: o blue agg in his back pocket on some banging ship.
Speaker 1: So it was just like that. So it's crazy though.
Speaker 1: He went in because that's gangster. He went there, took
Speaker 1: the contracts man, because I know if that would have
Speaker 1: been me out of any check they wanted. As soon
Speaker 1: as you all the left would have been calling the
Speaker 1: bank check number one five five free three you all
Speaker 1: came back to MPs office. It was the mussel was
Speaker 1: the muscle was laid down before even came death row.
Speaker 1: Uh taking ship from vanill Ice and ship like that,
Speaker 1: the alleged said, I did. But I remember Chocolate, who
Speaker 1: I called him, is the one that said he wrote
Speaker 1: the song Ice Ice Baby, YadA YadA. She'll just took
Speaker 1: that what to him. Had had a piece of paper
Speaker 1: written up, thinking you old us for this, and she
Speaker 1: and Chocolate got paid for him and they did. Chip yeah,
Speaker 1: because do you think Cholo wrote that song. I think
Speaker 1: Chocolate knows something about it. I ain't gonna talk about
Speaker 1: about my dog, but it's getting some money on. Everybody
Speaker 1: got paid. You gotta scare motherfucking mind as we'll get
Speaker 1: what you get. So that's what happened. A story. The
Speaker 1: motherfucker's and all of that other ship was the game
Speaker 1: and that business you know before She'll given became a
Speaker 1: a death row fern Hill Records. We was doing button
Speaker 1: wise is super Fest. We were security guards, you know.
Speaker 1: And and from that Chill, Chill is a smart motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He took everything that was around him, and then he
Speaker 1: had one person putting business in his head, which was
Speaker 1: Big West. Big West told should everything you needed to know,
Speaker 1: so now she'll take that, and had his own blueprint.
Speaker 1: Sill blueprint was to bring the muscle in here and
Speaker 1: to make every everything that he probably was or thought
Speaker 1: might giving him a problem. They got attacked. So you
Speaker 1: get rid of the hardcore motherfucker's and everybody see you
Speaker 1: get rid of them. Everybody else just started landing face
Speaker 1: down and was like this, please don't hurt me. And
Speaker 1: from that point she got everything and whatever he wanted
Speaker 1: because everybody was afraid of it. Wow, man, that that's
Speaker 1: that's like, it's crazy. Now that's some real ship. That's
Speaker 1: some real gage of ship. You know. Me and she'll
Speaker 1: have about issues, but that was it was. It was
Speaker 1: clever it was clever and and just to see the
Speaker 1: people that was afraid of him, especially at the concert.
Speaker 1: And then you looking and motherfucker's get the funk out
Speaker 1: of the way. Here comes Sugar and his crew, and
Speaker 1: you know, Sugar got this thing and you knock the
Speaker 1: motherfucker out to that You're gonna get a bonus for
Speaker 1: doing what they did. Bet everybody out of the penitentiary. Mother,
Speaker 1: everybody would like to fight. Everybody had hands and you
Speaker 1: knock the motherfucker out in the fight. It was on
Speaker 1: the cracking, you know what I'm saying. We had to
Speaker 1: fight with the Rams football team to hold about nine
Speaker 1: of them, and then with some big motherfucker's their ears
Speaker 1: was not going the traps and ship. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the funk, how are we gonna do this one?
Speaker 1: And we just took off. We just gotta have heard now.
Speaker 1: We were standing on courts just bank like you gotta
Speaker 1: have hard like as big as you want to be. Man,
Speaker 1: I hit one the motherfucker's in his motherfucker's shaw his
Speaker 1: if he just my little home boy, Mike said, was
Speaker 1: like thing like men. We had the ball that night
Speaker 1: and one of the twins were still beating the ship
Speaker 1: out of one of them in the middle of the street.
Speaker 1: When the police pulled up, right ship, they took him
Speaker 1: to jail. He beat us back to death. Bro. They
Speaker 1: kind of got him out this like that. He was
Speaker 1: out interesting and talking about it, laughing about it. It
Speaker 1: was just some fun ship. But it just got out
Speaker 1: of here to check this out. Interesting conversation or interesting
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Speaker 1: on one. And um Sugar came through the house. Um
Speaker 1: Miach had rented Jackie Gleason's house. Remember Jackie Gleason from there,
Speaker 1: you know, honeymoonist. So he had he had this real
Speaker 1: futuristic house, like even in two thousand and five. It
Speaker 1: was a futuristic house, right, So we and there were
Speaker 1: kicking whatever whatever. You know. Micha had all the whips
Speaker 1: brought down on car carriers. And the Bentley was a
Speaker 1: brand new car like the Bentley GTS a brand new car.
Speaker 1: The Fathom was brand new car. You know. It was
Speaker 1: a bunch of you know, a couple of lanmdbows. What
Speaker 1: have just you know, all parked out front. So Suld
Speaker 1: comes right and um, he comes to see him, come
Speaker 1: to see us and whatever. So we're sitting down at
Speaker 1: the table on the upper levels around the dentistable huge
Speaker 1: dinner table, and he, you know, we're talking and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, man, Um, I'm really like, I regret
Speaker 1: all that ship. Man, I really regret This is from
Speaker 1: his mouth out yes to our ears. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there as closest to him as I under you right now,
Speaker 1: I really regret that ship. That ship cost a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, I really regret that. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: not oning that ship no more. I'm done with that
Speaker 1: ship for real, for it. It was just too it
Speaker 1: was too costly. This is out of his mouth. Time.
Speaker 1: Remember he got nine years for a kick, not even
Speaker 1: an effective kick. It was just a kick. It was
Speaker 1: just said, I'm here nine years. So he was on
Speaker 1: paper still at the time. Yeah, you know, so it'll
Speaker 1: get a nine year violation, right that don't that don't
Speaker 1: make no sense. But of course he was a target.
Speaker 1: Please could go all the way back when she was
Speaker 1: in v playing ball. She'll had assaults in boxes just
Speaker 1: goddamn high Uh, just getting in trouble, and getting in
Speaker 1: trouble when you're seeing his judge and you're not listening.
Speaker 1: They want to make an example out of you. Show
Speaker 1: they was trying to make an example out of him.
Speaker 1: But every time he came home, he came back home
Speaker 1: to the same ship. And that's motherfucker's ready to get
Speaker 1: back into the ground. That's the motherfucker just ready to
Speaker 1: start punching on motherfucker's and getting that money. So he
Speaker 1: came right back in this situation, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he didn't have a choice. So with the Orlando
Speaker 1: ship here you is, he didn't know how to separate
Speaker 1: the two. I'm gonna CEO and the gangster part. You
Speaker 1: got fifteen niggas there, Let them handle the gangster ship,
Speaker 1: and you ship back. You snatched TUPI and you sit down.
Speaker 1: And I said this all the time. Sit this motherfucker
Speaker 1: right here by you, or y'all start walking out that guy.
Speaker 1: Damn Casino. These guys already know what to do. And
Speaker 1: I think that young dude that they whipped his ass
Speaker 1: would have would have accepted it better because he going
Speaker 1: against his rivals from Compton. And now we can take
Speaker 1: this ship back to the soil, back to the hood.
Speaker 1: Not no for beating my ass or jumping on me
Speaker 1: and didn't hit him. These niggers disrespecting me with their
Speaker 1: feet because you know, you kick him, man, and that's
Speaker 1: the lot ship you can do. And and then you
Speaker 1: let him up. That's where the mistakes cut him up.
Speaker 1: You feel me, So chick should have stepped away from
Speaker 1: that ship. And I used to tell him. I used
Speaker 1: to tell fuck the magazines, fun chacking pictures. We do
Speaker 1: too much to be on on film. Yeah, sounding my
Speaker 1: conversations with me and he pretty much because Meek's pretty
Speaker 1: much told himself he pretty much wanted to do what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. Mitsya had Um. I went to
Speaker 1: Atlanta Meetsya had billboards up in there, up in the
Speaker 1: a like when you came in there. This dude was
Speaker 1: just flaunting his wealth. You know what I mean. Just
Speaker 1: I'm a deep boy. I'm the biggest deep way it is.
Speaker 1: And you can't do a damn thing when you get
Speaker 1: caught up. And he was bothering. He was caught up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He was called up. Once you once you
Speaker 1: once you make yourself a figure, the police is looking
Speaker 1: at you. They want to see and they're gonna going depth.
Speaker 1: How you getting down like that black man without a job?
Speaker 1: How is you getting in like that show? It comes
Speaker 1: beneficial for them because you know, if they fun with him,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get some paper out of the deal some
Speaker 1: kind of way. You know, they're saying that people will
Speaker 1: still finding cars down if you bring the luxury vihicle
Speaker 1: on Atlanta. They see people will still finding by accident.
Speaker 1: You know, the kid here the button back of let
Speaker 1: the air conditioning thing up and a trapdoor fall up,
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars fall out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just stuff like that. Nobody took that hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in the house. You know, it's yours. Motherfucker's is crazy
Speaker 1: and you gotta put it in the lost and founds
Speaker 1: for thirty age and then if done, nobody claiming the
Speaker 1: jail about your mind. But you know why somebody got
Speaker 1: to even know I don't understand that. I mean understand,
Speaker 1: you know, being a moral person and I understand those
Speaker 1: things now, I mean we had that people get screwed
Speaker 1: up like this. If this people get that screwed up.
Speaker 1: People do think that gangsters don't have morals like normal people.
Speaker 1: Don't think that gangsters have morals. They said, they figured
Speaker 1: morals are what they define as moral. So what they
Speaker 1: define as morals is, you know, someone who won't harmon
Speaker 1: of the person you know, or you know, do some
Speaker 1: do some you know, something drastic to another person. That's
Speaker 1: what they believe to be moral. But what the truth
Speaker 1: of it is that all situations in society have their morals.
Speaker 1: There are things that people do in corporate America that
Speaker 1: we in the street would never do. Oh for sure. Man,
Speaker 1: you think just the American government alone. You think about
Speaker 1: the president, right, he goes he's looking for Osama being lutton, right,
Speaker 1: and he go, we gotta kill his motherfucker. Right. He
Speaker 1: knows when they do the when they do the surveillance
Speaker 1: on this stuff, and when they do the intelligence he's
Speaker 1: in there. It's about thirty kids in the villages, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty elderly people. Whatever. Gotta go, gotta go, that's the mentality.
Speaker 1: So they dropped the bomb knowing that in order to
Speaker 1: get this one target, they go kill an innocent people
Speaker 1: that don't have ship to do with the situation. You know,
Speaker 1: those aren't people, Those are collateral damage. But I can't
Speaker 1: make it right or justify murder. And you've got people
Speaker 1: shooting on the depth road for murder or in prisons
Speaker 1: for murder, and they is all right for them commit murder.
Speaker 1: Man the hypocrisy, that's the hypocris bush they are, they are.
Speaker 1: We understand this. We understand that the banking system is gangsterism.
Speaker 1: If you understand what what the tenants of banking are,
Speaker 1: do you understand that that's the same thing as the
Speaker 1: tenants and gangsterism? Government, same thing, same thing. We take
Speaker 1: what we can enforce. You dig like we do what
Speaker 1: we can enforce. So you know, I mean it. You
Speaker 1: can't say that if you're not bullying, we can't bully
Speaker 1: other gangsters. That's our space. So I mean no, you can't.
Speaker 1: Mother can't bully me. You got you got brothers out
Speaker 1: there with this mentality. Okay, he's the hardest motherfucker. They're
Speaker 1: saying his house. So I gotta prove to you you're
Speaker 1: not the hardest. Okay, okay, So are you're not knowing
Speaker 1: my approach, You're gonna have a problem because either I
Speaker 1: just woke up and shoot you, or I see where
Speaker 1: he's going. Did she has his hands is did she? However,
Speaker 1: he get down. Let's see how you get down before
Speaker 1: we really go one thirty. That's why you have to
Speaker 1: make every demonstration thorough, thorough for those who who might
Speaker 1: be watching you. You hold sye like normal said earlier,
Speaker 1: or mac has said earlier, like gangsters don't want no problems. Man.
Speaker 1: You're trying to get to the money, trying to get
Speaker 1: to the bread. Now, anything in between us and that
Speaker 1: and the circumstances around getting to that will incorporate whatever
Speaker 1: means unnecessary. So in the instance of death Row, that
Speaker 1: meant putting weight on cats. But in some instances in
Speaker 1: the gangster space, it doesn't mean putting weight on cats.
Speaker 1: It means out thinking them, out maneuvering them, out doing them.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. On the playing field right,
Speaker 1: So when when when you know somebody comes at you
Speaker 1: and you don't know them, and they're trying to test
Speaker 1: your steal or whatever ever, If a if a man
Speaker 1: don't walk up to me, if he has any malicious intent,
Speaker 1: if he walks up to me or or or being
Speaker 1: like me, he's going to have to get it done
Speaker 1: right then and there, or leave it completely alone because
Speaker 1: he's he's he's giving his life up. Now, if you
Speaker 1: get that's not bullying. If if you, if you, if
Speaker 1: you knock the cat off right then and there, it's
Speaker 1: not bullying. That's that's not bulliant. But bullying is when
Speaker 1: you're constantly putting that pressure on that individual. You can't
Speaker 1: do that to know gangster. Once you make it known
Speaker 1: to him that you don't intend to allow him to
Speaker 1: exist harmoniously, then it's on. It's not no bullying. Every
Speaker 1: time you see me we face fighting and you you
Speaker 1: you boxing me out and all that, that's bullying. You
Speaker 1: ain't no gangs if you're getting bullied. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I say that is because the tactics that that
Speaker 1: she'll have used with certain individuals in the music business
Speaker 1: we're tested were Uh, if you don't do this, I'm
Speaker 1: saying such and such. If you don't do this this way,
Speaker 1: then we got a problem. If we got a problem,
Speaker 1: you can't be here. Here are here facts. So if
Speaker 1: a motherucker don't go here here and here already accept
Speaker 1: that he allowing him to bully him, that he could
Speaker 1: stop calling something. But then you have that man that says, okay,
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. I don't want to mention
Speaker 1: no Masterpee names or no Luke's you know that wasn't
Speaker 1: afraid of, you know, the Boogeyman or the big bad shoes.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say their names. So you know,
Speaker 1: don't think I said Luke or or a man name
Speaker 1: in this No doubt, no doubt came doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1: We never say though when you run up across somebody
Speaker 1: that wasn't. Yeah, but then now you got the nature
Speaker 1: step the game up and then but you can't step
Speaker 1: the game up in another motherfucker's house. You ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be They're gonna win at somebody else house when they
Speaker 1: got because they're on the square. On the square, you
Speaker 1: can't beat the man on the square a hundred pounds heavier,
Speaker 1: four ft taller. If a man is on his square,
Speaker 1: he is most powerful on his square. You can't be
Speaker 1: out done on his square. See the way you beat
Speaker 1: somebody who has a greater you know, maybe have a
Speaker 1: greater position, they have a greater degree of power or
Speaker 1: a greater degree of resources, is you get them to
Speaker 1: be so confident that you get them to come off
Speaker 1: the square. Because once they come off, they square. All
Speaker 1: things are equal. But one thing I got Roy Jones
Speaker 1: not to cook all off, man, I got I guess
Speaker 1: I'll be doing that read tonight. You know one thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to say about that though, man, and this
Speaker 1: is really the old thing of it. Man, we can
Speaker 1: sit up here and glorified you know, all that stuff
Speaker 1: that has classification. Yeah, but you know, I think James
Speaker 1: made a valid point. Should had accomplished something. Man, there's
Speaker 1: no ceo since Barry Gordy was able to do right.
Speaker 1: He had really built the dynasty right once he had
Speaker 1: put the demo down. Now, I'm not gonna say in
Speaker 1: that area that some of them asked weapons weren't necessary
Speaker 1: sometimes in order to get what you want, especially back then,
Speaker 1: you had executives acting the way they did because I
Speaker 1: was in the industry, you know, I was working for
Speaker 1: the publishing companies and stuff like that. Man, you had
Speaker 1: to roll a certain way because in l a meeting
Speaker 1: doing this. Man, I had over the mentor to work
Speaker 1: for Bug Music, and he had took me to the
Speaker 1: bar one time and he said, man, you're ready for it.
Speaker 1: You got you this job right. What you go do now?
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what's cool. I'm in there.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm just working for a publishing company. I
Speaker 1: got a little bit of power I can get to
Speaker 1: do with the check, but I had limits to what
Speaker 1: I could do. If it was anything over seventy five dollars,
Speaker 1: I couldn't move on it. So this older brother man,
Speaker 1: and he had been working the industry man since the
Speaker 1: very gordy days, right, he told me, he said, man, listen,
Speaker 1: you got a class of people out here, especially in
Speaker 1: the West Coast, even in New York. You'll get guys
Speaker 1: that's gonna be coming here trying to press you to
Speaker 1: get deals down and do this and that. And I
Speaker 1: never ran across that man. It's like you said, like,
Speaker 1: And I think maybe because I knew people and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, I never had a problem with getting a
Speaker 1: brother check. If they had the goods, you had to
Speaker 1: be on a certain level because I didn't mind telling
Speaker 1: the person they was whack. You know, this ain't no
Speaker 1: good man. It's like, I can't do nothing with this.
Speaker 1: Get some traction with it. And I had people that
Speaker 1: might have got up. You know, don't nobody want to
Speaker 1: hear that day stuff ain't at the bar. But I
Speaker 1: just kept one hundred with him, and I never made
Speaker 1: them think that I was gonna do something with them.
Speaker 1: But I saw a lot of record executives back then. Man,
Speaker 1: they would you know at brothers give brothers agreement has
Speaker 1: had them going back and forward the attorney and then
Speaker 1: the deal just wouldn't go down. It would be somebody
Speaker 1: the end of the pipe that said no, I think
Speaker 1: what what should deal? Man? He had such a tremendous
Speaker 1: opportunity at that time. Man, I really will say, man,
Speaker 1: that about him kind of going over poor? He set
Speaker 1: us back another teen years. Man, I agree, I agree
Speaker 1: with that. I think I think everything is still moving
Speaker 1: the way it was going to be moving. It's moving
Speaker 1: even better that he's out of the way. And which
Speaker 1: were the people in the musical business wanted him out
Speaker 1: of the way. Now they can go home and close
Speaker 1: their card dough and won't in their house opposing having
Speaker 1: a light on the porch, having somebody stand by the
Speaker 1: door with the door open, and having somebody walked the
Speaker 1: perimeter around the house. People was putting up cameras because
Speaker 1: it she was nice. People were straight afraid of his
Speaker 1: brother and and people don't realize she was a smart
Speaker 1: motherfucker and he used his ship. Man Sugar is the
Speaker 1: only motherfucker I know that can get twenty motherfucker's bigger,
Speaker 1: bigger or the same size as himself and control it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Have them do or I
Speaker 1: mean the devil all you motherfucker's do my bed and
Speaker 1: and and nobody come out of it with riches. Nobody
Speaker 1: come out motherfucker's right now today. So what was if
Speaker 1: they don't come out of it with riches and they're
Speaker 1: doing the Devil's bidding? What was their payoff? What was
Speaker 1: that motivation? The payoff was doing something that we never
Speaker 1: did before, travel uh get money without uh disrespecting others
Speaker 1: to get it, which is robbery and all this other
Speaker 1: ship uh cash and had to sell dope and sitting
Speaker 1: on the block all day no more. Motherfucker's was getting
Speaker 1: a paycheck, which stability and nobility. Everybody that was coming
Speaker 1: out of there never had a paycheck, never seen a paycheck,
Speaker 1: Never want you to bake the casting check. And I
Speaker 1: think that aspect of it was beautiful, Sames, I think
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. I think I'm about to control party.
Speaker 1: I think at some point, what you gotta say now,
Speaker 1: you gotta say, okay, we don't put the demo down
Speaker 1: to l A. Ain't nobody messing with us, right, I
Speaker 1: got brothers here working for me. Now at that point
Speaker 1: you got to go to the next level. Now I say, okay,
Speaker 1: this dude got a legitimate job, this cat got a
Speaker 1: legitimate job. We don't have to do nothing else, because
Speaker 1: I remember the time, man, motherfucker's were scared shipless a
Speaker 1: death row. You didn't have to do nothing else at
Speaker 1: that point, right, you just go boom a motherfucker runn
Speaker 1: across the room. Right, So now you're at this point,
Speaker 1: you got it going on. The most powerful man of music,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Iven love you you over there playing football with
Speaker 1: this cat over his house. One of the biggest dudes
Speaker 1: of music. I think with sugar Man, not to show
Speaker 1: people I give credit with creditors due if you look
Speaker 1: at what he put together, Man, it was genius. You
Speaker 1: know it was million in a in a year. Was
Speaker 1: that you wanted in fifty million? His first year death
Speaker 1: row was worth over six hundred and seventy eight million dollars,
Speaker 1: and and I don't know where that money went. Yeah, nobody,
Speaker 1: you've got to understand, see a lot of these numbers
Speaker 1: that they bring up somewhere. This is the it's yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the fun umber and the way it works
Speaker 1: to the way it works. And distribution is this too.
Speaker 1: You have record sales coming in. Right as soon as
Speaker 1: those record seals come in, that money is distributed. It
Speaker 1: comes in. So it's like it's like even when we do, okay,
Speaker 1: let's say you gotta roster ten people come in, right
Speaker 1: as soon as that money come in, you gotta pay accounts, fees,
Speaker 1: press and distribution, marketing calls. So all that stuff is
Speaker 1: coming like this now. Even still after that, you have
Speaker 1: a hell of a net profit after that right to
Speaker 1: where it was a lot of money made. But if
Speaker 1: you're spending the money as soon as it comes in,
Speaker 1: watches women, all this other extra stuff. Man, it can
Speaker 1: go fast. Yeah, it can go fast. If I told you, man,
Speaker 1: and too thouse in uh in two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: that's the most money I've made in my wife. I
Speaker 1: made eight dollars. When I tell you, I don't got
Speaker 1: a penny from that in nine days. Because it's something
Speaker 1: about it. The more money you make, the more money
Speaker 1: you spend. Well, that's because you don't know the nature
Speaker 1: of money. People who do that. I did that, I
Speaker 1: made and spend millions because I didn't know the nature
Speaker 1: of money. Gets what I'm saying is when you when
Speaker 1: you don't know the nature of money, your one relationship
Speaker 1: with it is consumption. Exactly, consumption. People that they can
Speaker 1: buy their comfort, you know, dollars. I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot with it. I'm gonna I'm gonna spend it
Speaker 1: like a goddamn fuck it. But what but what about
Speaker 1: the fact that you're you're you're a man, You're a
Speaker 1: man with a certain age, right, But the opportunity for
Speaker 1: you to do developed that type of foundation, financial foundation
Speaker 1: for that beautiful grandchild, my grandkids. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: different enough, because you know, the thing is when you
Speaker 1: get older, I get money. Now I'm less after spend it.
Speaker 1: You feel what I mean, It's like, I don't give
Speaker 1: a about cars. I don't have every kind of car.
Speaker 1: Heals pretty much. I'm not tripping on no cars. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I thought about that they don't
Speaker 1: even have a car now that my wife drive this,
Speaker 1: my son's drive this. So the car I thought was mine,
Speaker 1: my son it's up at sc he's driving that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I really you know Ship, you know,
Speaker 1: when I needed I gotta hopping it with. But it's
Speaker 1: like now, man, you know you think about that whole thing, man,
Speaker 1: and it was really like, um, you've had some incredible
Speaker 1: We've had some incredible black executives and hip hop. You know, um,
Speaker 1: you know you got cash money records. You know, people
Speaker 1: talk about Birdman as far as his lack of paining
Speaker 1: people and stuff like that, but nope, he's on the
Speaker 1: run to where he's the one that's outlasted everybody. If
Speaker 1: you look at it right, you know, he's outlasted the
Speaker 1: bad boy area. He's outlasted the death Row era, and
Speaker 1: he's been still going. You know, you thought about it
Speaker 1: when you've left and when he had the struggles with Wayne,
Speaker 1: he come out with Drake. So he's out last everything.
Speaker 1: But it seems like with our black executives, it's always
Speaker 1: something we've never had the one dude that's always straight
Speaker 1: up across the board. It's like, if you talk about puff,
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Dixon, Jeff Dixonutle Chris, Yeah good, but
Speaker 1: Helutle Chris has been the the the godsend artist, loyal, appreciative, respectful,
Speaker 1: reliable on time. Like because I've known a lot of
Speaker 1: people who've had a lot of artists, and Jeff has
Speaker 1: had the best consistent run with a top end, top
Speaker 1: earning artist that I've ever seen, never an issue. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, I like a lot none of
Speaker 1: you know. Shout off the coach K and P. They
Speaker 1: for what they did in Atlanta. Man, they took dudes
Speaker 1: that was unknown in which you know, you know what means,
Speaker 1: I know it. It's very hard, shout out to coach.
Speaker 1: Almost impossible to take a brand new dude, I don't
Speaker 1: care you all talented heels and make it hit record.
Speaker 1: So I see the stuff that's going on now with
Speaker 1: the me goes to where they're coming because you know,
Speaker 1: it's mighty find of timeling. This ain't no touring going
Speaker 1: on because of the COVID and you know his woman
Speaker 1: is in a lawsuit. Now they're saying they robbed this right,
Speaker 1: But what they're not thinking about the first record they
Speaker 1: had to broke nationally. Coach K, I know, for aspect
Speaker 1: facts spent about two and fifty dollars on own money.
Speaker 1: So yeah, his own money so he can with a
Speaker 1: roll the dice. People don't remember that later room. So
Speaker 1: now I'm looking at this debacle right and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at them. Oh they're suing them. Now they're saying they
Speaker 1: got robbed, had an unfair deal. But you wasn't saying
Speaker 1: that when they were spending their money on helping you
Speaker 1: fulfill the thing they rolled going. So now you're sitting
Speaker 1: on there talking about these brothers and stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: like it if you're starting the business and there's certain
Speaker 1: things that you gotta pay for to start that business
Speaker 1: and then you I come in or these little cash
Speaker 1: come in, and then your artists, are they possible for that?
Speaker 1: They still have to pay that two hundred fifty dollars
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty tho you that caused to make a record.
Speaker 1: Why should they have to pay the tuning? Your interest
Speaker 1: is in them? And see that's where this this music
Speaker 1: ship is sucked up. Because everything you do for me,
Speaker 1: don't tell me you're doing something for me, And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I gotta pay it back.
Speaker 1: But I owe you know if you come and get
Speaker 1: me and say I want to do this, and then
Speaker 1: you spend that no listen. No, no, really, I'm making
Speaker 1: sense of the ship. And you spend a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars on your corporation, that's what I got to do
Speaker 1: with that. And then I come in as an artist
Speaker 1: and then everything from that you spend on me to
Speaker 1: give me where I need to go, I owe you.
Speaker 1: Why do I have to pay that back? I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't have and then I don't have no knowledge
Speaker 1: of your business. Your business is your business. I'm just
Speaker 1: your artists. Why do I pay back this joanty dollars
Speaker 1: that that you got from uh Dick Griffy. That ain't
Speaker 1: my fucking business. Well, if the two thousand was expended
Speaker 1: to create a project for them, then that's why it's
Speaker 1: directly attached attached to them, to them, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the same for everybody who got allocated whatever they
Speaker 1: got allocated for their project, that has to come back
Speaker 1: if if it go out the bag and it don't
Speaker 1: come back to the bag, but but the bag gonna
Speaker 1: be empty. Got the bag? You're not listening to women, bro,
Speaker 1: You're seeing if they got an advancement record company already
Speaker 1: and they spend that money on you, why do you
Speaker 1: whether they have to give it back. But see, let
Speaker 1: me tell you about this particular situation. Right, and this
Speaker 1: is how usually happens. A rapper come at you, right,
Speaker 1: a rapper, you know, it's a million rappers off. They're
Speaker 1: looking for deals. A lot of talented people in the streets. Right,
Speaker 1: it's more talent than the dealose deals. Right. You get
Speaker 1: these guys right here, you invest in them, You say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this two hundred fifty thousand dollars I
Speaker 1: got and make you a start. I don't know when
Speaker 1: no guys bringing ther from no business. The way it works. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we don't make a million, that's cool. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make this million. But I'm gonna take my little too
Speaker 1: fifty back up off and I made, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: split the rest of this stuff up. That's how I
Speaker 1: should go. That's how you know. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: exactly I go. They do more than that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: in three d and seventy, I will admit this, James infrastructure,
Speaker 1: the counting in the recording industry. You ain't got me then? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the counting known that. But to see, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: They gotta stop making it seem like you get other
Speaker 1: than business. See that's another thing that I've had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to who observed during my period doing Don Devon
Speaker 1: and Hip Hop Weekly and being around these guys, and
Speaker 1: I hunt with the with the artists. I didn't deal
Speaker 1: with publicists. I didn't deal with underlings or assistance or labels.
Speaker 1: I got my access to the labels through the artists themselves.
Speaker 1: Y'all want you to spend money with this magazine on
Speaker 1: my project whatever, That's how I got them, right. I
Speaker 1: established relationship with the artists, so I got to sit
Speaker 1: and listen to everybody's stories and all that. Right, And
Speaker 1: one of the most consistent issues that I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of these kids come from homes that are not structured.
Speaker 1: A lot of them come from homes that are missing
Speaker 1: the family dynamic. Right, so when they meet somebody who
Speaker 1: may be the first person that expressed some interest in
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and that person sensing like doing what
Speaker 1: human beings do? You know? I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is this is what that for the laws is about.
Speaker 1: It's not about so much you trying to assimilate all
Speaker 1: this behavior and you know, um trick and fool everybody
Speaker 1: it's about you looking at what has historically happened and
Speaker 1: seeing that human beings do these things, you know, without
Speaker 1: knowing they do them as a response to them trying
Speaker 1: to get what they want and seeing what works that.
Speaker 1: It starts all way down here. I cried, you come,
Speaker 1: bring me food? Got you? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's just human beings responding to their environment and
Speaker 1: their desires and the and their environments resistance to providing
Speaker 1: their desires. So when these guys come into contact with
Speaker 1: these guys with these labels, and the guys like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you're good, shorty, I'm saying, we're gonna brow you up
Speaker 1: this any less. Oh really, that's what's up. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that man with Yeah, Man, you with us. We family, man,
Speaker 1: I got you. You're gonna get you straight. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're gonna be rich. And they make
Speaker 1: them rich, but the money does not mean as much
Speaker 1: to them as the sense of family, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, The sense of family that they give them
Speaker 1: when they tell them I got you human. That means
Speaker 1: that all the things that I didn't get from the
Speaker 1: primary male role model that I didn't have, I'm expecting
Speaker 1: them from you. Is that unrealistic? Yes, it is so
Speaker 1: basically what you're saying and I'm hearing you that the
Speaker 1: black brothers has learned from the white boys how not
Speaker 1: to give and no when to give a motherfucker his
Speaker 1: Money's uh, you're do a motherfucker's song and it's number one.
Speaker 1: You don't see a goddamn dollar for six months. Get
Speaker 1: me my motherfucking money, man. But this is how they
Speaker 1: do it more exactly why we do joint ventures. You
Speaker 1: come in, you came down. I'm not gonna make you
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna be talking about me a year
Speaker 1: from now if I don't your name, I'm talking. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, no, no, But the point is valid.
Speaker 1: Though not get paid. People do not get paid. And
Speaker 1: and just because you're in charge of of of my
Speaker 1: career don't mean you take what you want and distributed
Speaker 1: to me how you want. That's just that's just take
Speaker 1: my money. That's just bad investlement. Investlement is bad veins.
Speaker 1: That's the only way to do it, dope, Listen, what's
Speaker 1: the only way to do it. That's not the only
Speaker 1: way to do it taking the money and giving them.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker what they want to give him mocking and and
Speaker 1: and that's I don't know, watch you'll do it? I
Speaker 1: watch you Uh the chronic did nobody she was having
Speaker 1: the ball off that motherfucking money. Dreydon wouldn't get none
Speaker 1: of that money, didn't shoot that money for another ninety days.
Speaker 1: And motherfucker's just like, damn, I can't get my money.
Speaker 1: Everybody eating. But you gotta think about it like this
Speaker 1: to one thing that we are saying is that at
Speaker 1: some point the motherfucker take a risk. He could want
Speaker 1: to get his back because should be spend a million
Speaker 1: dollars to keep sugars ass out of jail. And then
Speaker 1: this starts snoops not snoops to keep snoop by the jail.
Speaker 1: You gotta think about it this too. Don't body ever
Speaker 1: thinks about to do the loose. Don't nobody ever talked
Speaker 1: about that because she made that money back. No, let
Speaker 1: listen to James, give me up, brother, give me out
Speaker 1: now right. There is more than likely when you signed artists.
Speaker 1: If you've got a record label and I got ten artists,
Speaker 1: more than likely out of them ten of this, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have one of them that may do okay, right,
Speaker 1: one of them that may do okay, one that may
Speaker 1: break even, and the rest of the motherfucker's may flop,
Speaker 1: and I can spend the same thing on all of them.
Speaker 1: Let's just snake for the business. But that's what you
Speaker 1: having a label. You gotta say, uh, this contract over,
Speaker 1: this contract over, I don't know that the way you
Speaker 1: want to go. You can go do this, But yet
Speaker 1: they hold on to these people and then the budget
Speaker 1: that they give you to say maybe a month, I
Speaker 1: mean like she'll playing the people renting all of this
Speaker 1: other ship. But at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: own me. This ain't no, this ain't got nothing to
Speaker 1: do with no love or you the home mee and
Speaker 1: none of that the end of the day, like he did,
Speaker 1: Um the majority of the guys that was there, like
Speaker 1: he did, Danny Boyd. You know everything that you do
Speaker 1: for me, I gotta recoup you back with a great
Speaker 1: thing about the day. Though. Man, it's like, really you
Speaker 1: don't like that traditional record business, that model back then
Speaker 1: it's over because you ain't just right. They robbed people,
Speaker 1: especially Nature. Yeah, because we owned the publish and I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say we because I didn't get none of
Speaker 1: that money. The publishing company I was working for on
Speaker 1: the Gap Band's publishing, right, this was the average deal
Speaker 1: back in the seventies, owned up even to the two thousand's.
Speaker 1: You get fifty cent off of each record. Right, they
Speaker 1: give you a hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand dollar
Speaker 1: budget to record right now, and I'm just breaking the
Speaker 1: math down. You have a hundred thousand dollar budget to
Speaker 1: record an album right out that hundred thousand dollars, just
Speaker 1: say you come out with your first week and you
Speaker 1: wind up selling five half a million albums right with
Speaker 1: six dollars retail wholesale Rational that's coming back right there,
Speaker 1: that's one too, that's three million dollars. You'll be thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I get that three new we charged you
Speaker 1: back out that little fifty center record that you make.
Speaker 1: We don't made money, you haven't recouped. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: get back out the fifty cent. That's the game. That
Speaker 1: show didn't make that model up. Sugar is able to
Speaker 1: get to the point he got to because he assimilated
Speaker 1: the model. Had he not, they wouldn't let him get
Speaker 1: to where he got to. Come ahead and break the game.
Speaker 1: How we make our money. Should learned from the big boys.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm saying. This is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say to y'all right here at this table. Show
Speaker 1: the brothers that starting their own labels, record labels and
Speaker 1: ship like that. They have learned from the big and
Speaker 1: now they're trickling down where a motherfucking rapper. Rapper ain't
Speaker 1: number the slave and the music business well pretty much.
Speaker 1: That's why I really would it should be the ideas
Speaker 1: of commodities, no more slave than the ones that's proven
Speaker 1: the dollar dollars the same thing. Get out there and work,
Speaker 1: Drake not slave, no more. He's proved this point. He's
Speaker 1: making motherfucker. He proves his point. He has limited but
Speaker 1: you can spend as much money as he wants to.
Speaker 1: He's paid. He's going on because I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what this It used to be. At least when you
Speaker 1: had doing fun up deals. You could go on the
Speaker 1: road and make you a hundred thousand dollars and show
Speaker 1: and want nobody getting that's so fucked up because they're
Speaker 1: getting a piece of your show money. Get a piece
Speaker 1: of your merchandise money. You sell a T shirt and
Speaker 1: I'll get half of that. It's like this. But my
Speaker 1: thing is this because I don't see my home like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you like this, Like nobody closed the door.
Speaker 1: That's why they came in. Like I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: like this, man, I was around the t D dudes
Speaker 1: when they first started, right, and I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: that dude took care of his artists. I saw the
Speaker 1: money he was spending. Right. We go to Vegas to
Speaker 1: go to Little Wayne's video shoot. Everybody lining up to
Speaker 1: go to the burgers joint. You know, I'm a grown man.
Speaker 1: I'm buying my own ship. Right by the time he
Speaker 1: running out of the the tab three hundred dollars, that's
Speaker 1: just one expense changing with the bill study rising, you
Speaker 1: go to the club that night, Nick is walking around
Speaker 1: with drinks in their hand and ship changing. He paying
Speaker 1: for all that. So it comes to a point to where, Okay, now,
Speaker 1: for the last six years and you've been fourteen, I
Speaker 1: don't been paying your weight, I don't been feeding You've
Speaker 1: been using my studio and stuff. So not by the
Speaker 1: time you get up to finally get a deal, you
Speaker 1: might have spent three hundred thousand dollars on this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And you come in there and the check come in,
Speaker 1: you gotta do look at you like, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get this. No, you get this little bit, and I
Speaker 1: gotta get mind back in order to keep the ship floor.
Speaker 1: Because if you don't have some kind of recouping mechanism,
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna be no label. It'll be all out
Speaker 1: and nothing coming in. But the deal can because what
Speaker 1: they can do with these guys. I think you kill
Speaker 1: all that man and you have a tear when the
Speaker 1: dude first coming in. You get this. You know this.
Speaker 1: You're paying your dudes. If you win, you get this.
Speaker 1: I think every artist you get two dollars unrecoupable. There's
Speaker 1: enough money there. You don't show a significant dollar of records.
Speaker 1: If you sell five from the thousand records, you get
Speaker 1: two dollars off each record. You get paid. We get ours.
Speaker 1: Everybody make money. So whenever I am talking to people
Speaker 1: and they present an idea and idea sounds like it's
Speaker 1: just got all the walls and floors and seals and
Speaker 1: everything in it. I see, okay, now that that obviously
Speaker 1: is something that you thought about. You thought this, this
Speaker 1: is a great ideas. Playing simple anybody can see this now,
Speaker 1: think about it like this? What could be wrong with it?
Speaker 1: That's what people don't do. They come up with these
Speaker 1: great ideas, but they never ever entertain what could be wrong?
Speaker 1: How could it not be a good idea, because that
Speaker 1: will get you to a better idea. There are things
Speaker 1: that are not considered in what you just said about
Speaker 1: giving them the two dollars recoupal. But it sounds like
Speaker 1: a great thing. But there are things that none of
Speaker 1: us are prized of that are part of that mechaniation,
Speaker 1: especially in the old model. We're in the age of digital. Now.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody pressing no records. Nobody's paying for the materials
Speaker 1: to press records, nobody's owning or operating the machines to press.
Speaker 1: And there's no way I can't find a record executive
Speaker 1: not working to publishing for ten years. I don't know
Speaker 1: how that ship worked. Ihead. I was looking at the
Speaker 1: glass of statements the other day and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't like this ship. Is weird iss here? How
Speaker 1: do you pay somebody a fraction of a penny? You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying points understanding understanding nature of money.
Speaker 1: It's all numbers only cent of the money that we
Speaker 1: spend exists. It's all just so, yeah, you can take
Speaker 1: you can take a fraction of a number, sure, actually,
Speaker 1: and then you know what the thing is. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. Then the music industry is making more money
Speaker 1: now than they overhead, mean physical you don't have the
Speaker 1: pressional CDs up no more. When I was in the
Speaker 1: music industry, you was gonna spend two fifty and then
Speaker 1: you know, to get the nice thing with the nice forward,
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like that man with the jel case,
Speaker 1: he was gonna spend two fifties. So by the time
Speaker 1: you went to market with that motherfucker's, you were selling
Speaker 1: it for ten dollars to try to make back your costs. Right,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of stuff with it. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what was what was sucked up back
Speaker 1: then is you were here about it all the time.
Speaker 1: James is my artist, Right, he comes out, he's popping.
Speaker 1: I pressed up twenty five thousand units he don't know about,
Speaker 1: and ship the motherfucker's to Japan another twenty five because
Speaker 1: I'm no one looking out for you. That was that
Speaker 1: was my business for the longest time. I had guys
Speaker 1: that would come to me and said, and I handled
Speaker 1: all the paperwork and everything, all the you know ship
Speaker 1: to go over there, man, and had a nice ass
Speaker 1: check from It was all cash on delivering. You know,
Speaker 1: you send the motherfucking ten thousand CDs over in Europe
Speaker 1: and expect he gonna pay you back. Good luck, Good
Speaker 1: luck with that motherfucker over Africa. Something we fucked still,
Speaker 1: I ain't sending him ship. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Come over and get it, you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was like that back then. It was fucked up.
Speaker 1: But the good thing about that I was kind of
Speaker 1: the safe because I was doing that with the artists.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know, the nig is not
Speaker 1: gonna pay you no way, you might as well. Let's
Speaker 1: let's get that early and get that off. And you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's that's real ship about that
Speaker 1: overseas thing going on and people not knowing about it.
Speaker 1: All right, So this, uh, this person of this family,
Speaker 1: this family that you know I had love and respect for,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, all but one has
Speaker 1: passed now, but they were at the inception of the
Speaker 1: record businesses is related to hip hop sugar Hill records. Right,
Speaker 1: So one of the things Sylvia, Right, So how do
Speaker 1: you don't even wanted to share the name? I said,
Speaker 1: sugar Hill. I mean you know people who know, No,
Speaker 1: people don't don't, right, But um so what what she
Speaker 1: what she was doing was essentially you know, the blueprint
Speaker 1: that she got from. You know, if people don't know
Speaker 1: this business was started by the mom you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's it's always been crooked, just like
Speaker 1: the film, Just like the film industry. What do you
Speaker 1: think these people are getting the money from the start
Speaker 1: students and build students. These people they didn't have money.
Speaker 1: They got the money from gangsters the music industry. That's
Speaker 1: what I said. And that's the whole premise of this show.
Speaker 1: By the way, everything is rooted in game, from the
Speaker 1: American government to every everything is corrupt, right right, that's
Speaker 1: I mean this, This is a corrupt nation. The planet
Speaker 1: is corrupt. It's all corporate at ocracies, all of it.
Speaker 1: There are no countries, it's just corporations, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But they tell people, they tell them now
Speaker 1: in terms of that old that old model. Um, when
Speaker 1: when they were putting people's records out and all that whatever.
Speaker 1: They didn't They didn't tell them about how much, how
Speaker 1: many records are being sold and all that whatever here here.
Speaker 1: They didn't tell them anything about publishing here. Bro they
Speaker 1: were killing them overseas with what random people's they had.
Speaker 1: My man Zeno ben Zino, he's the source, was my
Speaker 1: partner from Hip Weekly, right they had he found that
Speaker 1: they had his publish and they had so many They
Speaker 1: were going around and and and signing up to get
Speaker 1: to receive people's overseas publishing because they had no idea
Speaker 1: about it. They were only watching if that over here,
Speaker 1: but they were getting checks. We gotta go, right, we
Speaker 1: gotta go right now. Like I said, I worked. That's
Speaker 1: the end of the industry. I worked on publishing. Before
Speaker 1: we leave. I'm gonna tell everybody about one thing that
Speaker 1: was real gamester. A lot of people don't register. They
Speaker 1: published in different countries, right, so you have different people
Speaker 1: that kind of handle the publishing, different agencies. Right. If
Speaker 1: you don't know no better than if I want to
Speaker 1: be scandless and you're a brand new artist, right, I
Speaker 1: can go over there and rigs to Yo Publishing and
Speaker 1: Russia somewhere, right, and I'm collecting on all this publishing.
Speaker 1: By the time you go get it back, I could
Speaker 1: collect the million dollars and they can't do a damn
Speaker 1: thing about it. Yeah that's what this Oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: got me. That's only a resort resort that we would
Speaker 1: result to us because we've got that in our toolkit
Speaker 1: from our experience we got down. Unfortunately, we ran out
Speaker 1: of time right now, But I wanted to give a quote.
Speaker 1: I really got hooked on this book last week. This
Speaker 1: was written by Cavarios. Uh fifty critical quotes, and I'll
Speaker 1: pick the selection. I'm gonna be reading one of these
Speaker 1: for y'all to ponder own and the audience. Man. Every week, man,
Speaker 1: every experience we survive as a gift wrapped in a
Speaker 1: forgettable package development. No one wants to experience hardship, but
Speaker 1: it's a necessary aspect of existence, for without it, we
Speaker 1: cannot learn our strengths or weaknesses. If we don't contend
Speaker 1: with something at some point, we don't develop the resilience
Speaker 1: that a great life requires, all the while yearning for
Speaker 1: a great life of wondering why that eludes us. Embrace challenges,
Speaker 1: see setbacks, and sharpen your blade on bullshit. Once you
Speaker 1: survive something you were sure would kill you. You begin
Speaker 1: to appreciate the truth value of life, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: leave you like this. I suggest you gogle get that
Speaker 1: fifty critical quotes. That was it. Man, I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: definitely writing out of that book. I'm I'm I'm dritting
Speaker 1: my ship down, every every thought I have, every time
Speaker 1: I go to one, and and it makes me think, like, damn,
Speaker 1: if I had throw like this a long time ago,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be I wouldn't have been that person a
Speaker 1: long time ago. But then I think, if what if
Speaker 1: I wouldn't that person along time ago, would I be
Speaker 1: here today? But but I was? I was that person, right,
Speaker 1: So it being exposed to this the information that led
Speaker 1: to me creating those quotes didn't It didn't interfere with
Speaker 1: the person I was. It infused the person that I was.
Speaker 1: Anybody that knows me knows that I I stopped that nothing.
Speaker 1: If if everybody had this book, we get along better. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring my book that you gave me, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you everything I've written in it. And
Speaker 1: I think it meant it might be a different term. No,
Speaker 1: But the thing is that's it's it's open to interpretation.
Speaker 1: The quotes themselves were created from a very young, young
Speaker 1: young person, you know, is mine trying to wrap myself
Speaker 1: around the concepts that were being shared with me by
Speaker 1: my predecessors, these gangsters, you know. So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: understand what it is they want me to understand, and
Speaker 1: I'm interpretating it in the best way I can for
Speaker 1: my own and not my own purpose is my own use.
Speaker 1: So I may not have gotten exactly what it was
Speaker 1: they wanted me to understand, but what I got from
Speaker 1: it was something that I was able to use. So, however,
Speaker 1: it is the whole thing is about sparking a more
Speaker 1: critical process. Like I said earlier, you had a great
Speaker 1: thought about what could work two dollars off each one unrecoupable.
Speaker 1: But you have to expound on that and see if
Speaker 1: there are any holes in it before you accepted as
Speaker 1: a viable you know, idea and too damn sharp, too
Speaker 1: smart against the chronicles. Man, Man, we gotta xucate, I
Speaker 1: educate man, my tutor. The thing is man, The nature
Speaker 1: of a thing is the nature of a thing. It
Speaker 1: doesn't change by virtue of his view. So although I'm
Speaker 1: able to articulate myself the way I am now. I
Speaker 1: was as dark and destructive as they come. M M,
Speaker 1: you know I got honestly said that. So in a
Speaker 1: sense we are work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm James McDonald,
Speaker 1: I'm Cavario h and I'm still Man And that's the
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles piece. Oh and make sure, um, we'll be
Speaker 1: making a big announcement Man on our platform. Um, the
Speaker 1: episodes on YouTube are going to be start really being
Speaker 1: limited to the first five minutes of them. Um, we're
Speaker 1: starting our own platform because, as you see, the government
Speaker 1: has been getting down on these different platforms for the
Speaker 1: things they've been doing and everything, because I don't know
Speaker 1: how you go from half of me. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on. Just stay tuned, alright.
Speaker 1: Peace