WEBVTT - Rags 2 Riches 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.760 Welcome every one to another episode against the Chronicles. I'm 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:08.000 with my homeboy James McDonald and we got a special 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.240 another dude to here, man spent another addition to the crew. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.280 Man to my boy, you know, I'll be leaving pretty soon. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.440 I know your motherfucker's getting sick of seeing me, So 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:20.360 I'll be going back to my executive producer posts. You know, 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.000 I'll be piecing y'all. My boy, Reggie right will be 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:28.640 coming home very shortly. What's up, Cafario, what's happening. I'm 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.920 glad to be here a monkst men man, So tell me, man, 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:33.640 what is it that you're gonna bring to the show man. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:39.200 It's a little different man, mm hmm. Insight like, insight 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.440 like the life that we've lived, the life that a 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.760 lot of young brothers and sisters are living today. Um, 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.880 if you can survive it, then you gain a great 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:55.640 deal of practical wisdom. Insight, right, So that's what I 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.800 intend to bring because I put a lot into really 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.080 analyzing my past and about the things that I've done 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.400 and why I did them, and I learned a lot 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.720 about that. So that's what I offer inside. Oh for sure, man, 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.440 I just can't wait to see because it's a powerful trio. Man. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.440 When um, James and Reggie is together. Man, and now 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.520 you man, I think it's gonna be something awesome. Man. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.400 I can kind of sit back there, man and pupp 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.360 it Matt do my thing yet, because that's really what 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.600 I you know, that's what I do. I didn't start 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.679 this show for me. It's always been about this brother, Reggie, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:28.440 and now you you know what I'm saying that it 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.080 was on your mind and just you know, me sitting 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.240 back kind of molding it so one thing I want 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:34.720 to do today. Man. It was a big thing on 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.080 the Breakfast Club the day with my homeboy Charlotte Mane 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.400 Um that Mac teen offered Snoop Dogg a million dollars 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:42.839 back in the day. And you know what, I remember 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.840 what was crazy about that. At that time Mac team 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.640 was about four years old, and I don't think he 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.160 ever gets really truly the credit that he deserves as 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.440 an executive, you know, because a lot of people don't 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.920 know those West Side Connection albums, those was Mac putting 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.120 them out. Cube didn't want to do those projects, so 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.480 that was Mac taking upon himself with his money and 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.680 you know, resources and putting those together and they both 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.480 of them win double platinum. You know. So he was 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.640 always a good executive, you know that. Yeah, one of 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.040 the one of the few. So low key though, Yeah, 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.280 he's low key a few words. Mac Own is one 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.640 of the biggest touring agencies in the country. Got a 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.320 ton of real estate investments. Brother okay, sar brother. Man, 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.520 he needs he needs to be well. I'd say he 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.280 needs to be a little more vocal, But I don't 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.880 know the degree to which he already is vocal. You 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.600 know what I'm saying. It might he might be. I 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.560 haven't heard any of those things. Yeah, sometimes when you're 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.480 sitting in the millions, man, you don't want anybody to 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.200 know your business. You know, I'm not talking about telling life, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.280 teaching them what teaching them? Life had to wrap? What 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.440 do you do have to wrap? A lot of these 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.760 guys start their own businesses and making sure other people 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.600 get out there show You know me, I'm clueless on it. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.800 I didn't know he was doing anything. I thought he 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.840 was happily married, living large. He doing this team. You 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.720 know he's doing it. You know he was my hero 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.960 alone for being married to t Bons, for lock of 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.680 two Bons down you know. So you know, you know 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.560 Mac didson, you know, as you say, every time I 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.040 touched him. You know, still I do players ship. That's 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.840 how Mac talk perhip years. I haven't see Max and 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.680 Don Diva days. Actually, I'm gonna call my homeboy right now. Man. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:26.480 That man, maybe they're Wayne in there. Yeah, that's why 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:32.440 he was with cash Money. That's where he met Mac. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.360 What's happening, man, what's up with you? Oh? Man? Shoot? Man? 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.480 We appear man, just talking about your ball and magnificent ways. Man. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.640 I was telling Homie Cavar you and James. I was like, man, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.000 Mac is got one of the biggest touring agencies in 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.800 the country. Man, he's um a real estate mogo. Man 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.240 that has just done very fine man. And you know 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.160 they was like for real. I was like, yeah, Mac, 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.600 and I interuptate your voice. I said, that's what MACI 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.400 tell you, Man, I do players shop all day? HOI 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.360 payership players should all do so you know, you know 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.680 I don't follow rappers and do nothing of that, but 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.760 you know some guys out there, you know, I got 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.360 respect for him that and I don't even know him, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:16.480 uh such as you ump right right and and your 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.120 ship was just one hunted. I've always want to ask you, though, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.280 how did you do ice Cube and dove C being 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.280 a b dog in the middle. I just stayed. I 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.800 just stayed me, James. It was about the bag with me, right, 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:34.680 I'm from Eklewood, you know what I'm saying, and that 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.520 that that that's what it is. You know it was 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.680 gonna be that way about let you know, whoever I 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.880 was affiliated with, I just stood me. Oh you represented 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.760 like a mug. But I know there was some controversy 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.520 somewhere around there because I know, uh dove C was 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.640 it was a real one from where I from what 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.400 I was told, and but but but you know, I 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.440 think you know, it was a mutual respect thing, you know, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.799 just just just like you know, when what what what 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.240 When you get a monst real ones, you know what 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:05.800 I'm saying, you're a real one. And when you get 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.560 a monst real ones, you know that's how real ones 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.120 carried themselves looking for no problems. It's all about respect, 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.600 you know what I'm saying. And so that's how I 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.880 always carried it. You know, I ain't never man them 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.400 dudes from where they was from, and I ain't never 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.560 you know, I you know, I never gave them no 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.839 issues about that, because they never gave me no issues 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:30.360 about me being one for body respected everybody who who who? 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.000 You know, we respected each other, you know, I think, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.640 I think the real ones. The only time it's a 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.120 problem isn't when a line of respect is crossed, you know. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.839 So so so if everything stayed respectful, it don't matter 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:50.719 where nobody from. You know, I was about the bag, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.040 right right, get your money, you're about you, you know 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.279 about the bag. Then it's still about the bag now. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.760 And that's what I tell people. I say, Man, you know, 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.640 I knew a whole lot of rappers, as you know, Mac, 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.560 and you know, not to put nobody out there because 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:04.920 we did not about them on this show, but a 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.839 lot of people haven't managed their finances the greatest. You know, 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.839 You've done some incredible things, man, like very very impressive things. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.480 And I'm very glad, you know. I mean, you've got 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.800 a lot of stuff business wives that we're doing together, man, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.840 And I'm really glad. And it's privileged, you know, to 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.720 be around a person like you, just not because you're 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.600 Mac team, but because of them the knowledge about business 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.320 that you bring to the game. You know, right right. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.640 I mean that's what it's about, this business, you know, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.120 and and and and like I said, I this ain't 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.320 then no goofy ship. A lot of these dudes get sidetracked, 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.080 you know, being involved with dumb ship. And I just 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.400 that ship never interests me. Man. I've always been a 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.240 low key kind of guy. And the only thing I 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.960 was serious about, you know, when they come to business 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.160 is getting to the back, getting to the money. You know, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.440 if it's some ship that's gonna interfere with that when 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.520 it comes to business, then you need to eliminate that 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.680 part from business. You know what I'm saying, distract because 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.960 because that's like hustling backwards. Yeah. Yeah, that's why why 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.400 I try to stay like out of the way. You know. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.720 I don't try to step on nobody toast, don't nobody. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.800 We don't want nobody to step on mine, you know. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.160 And I'll never bite into that bullshit click bait and 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.119 all this other ship with this social media type ship. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.120 Like that's why I stay away from a lot of it, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.760 because a lot of this ship sometimes to suckers ship, man, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.320 because it's just it's just you know, it's not really ethico. 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.280 You know what I'm saying. So, so I just try 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.280 to stay respectful, man, and this is just stay in 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.000 my lane. Well, like you said, man, it's it's definitely 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.880 a distraction man and me. And you don't want to 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.520 court when it comes. I think all of us sitting 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.400 at this table, I don't want to court with that 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.640 because we've never been about that on this show, you know, 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.560 all the stuff, because it's it's clown ship at the 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.120 end of the day, you know, so you know, and 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.280 I don't look good with a red nose on. So 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.440 I just do me, You do me and stuff. You know. Um, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.440 I know one thing about it. Man. It's like you know, 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.880 everybody always talking about Jay. I married Beyonce, I said, Man, 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.960 Mac was my hero. When I heard he was marrying 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.040 home girl. Man, I said, oh my god, man, this 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:11.240 dude nigga, I said, Inglewood nigga, A real gangster, you 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.000 know what I'm saying. I said, here on made tea 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.080 bars man, I said, Man, this dude. And every time 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.560 I saw Max a distance, he was always the one 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:22.040 like he was the first Rods words I saw in person, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.480 you know what I mean, Like the first thing. And 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.840 I was smoking cigars and stuff and I was like 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.840 and winning khaki suits at that. Yeah, I remember saying that. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.480 I'm remember said him in the lincol low Rider nag. Yeah, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.360 and Cavarrio said he saw you in a little run. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.560 I mean, what uh, what up? What up? What up? 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.600 Though Mac's having a brother. I'm good, my brother. It's 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.240 been a long while, bro, I haven't seen you, says 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.559 um My Don Diva days since I was doing My 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:50.200 Don Diva magazine. Yeah. Man, yeah, but it was always 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.360 love man, Um. Right before you got on the phone, Jane, 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.480 I mean m Norm was saying about the real estate 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:02.720 company and the travel agent seeing so far touring agency. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.080 So I'm like, yo, does he get out there? Like 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.520 he needs to be more out there? And Norm was like, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.679 you know, he don't want people, you know, knowing about 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.720 his bread and this and the other. I was saying, No, No, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.760 I'm talking about in terms of the education that he 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.120 got for himself that enabled him to come from being 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.160 who he was to who he is. Because that information 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.200 is it can't even be measured how valuable that information is, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.760 because that's the information that transforms brothers like us who 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.000 a lot of times, like you said, you don't manage yourselves. 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.280 Well well you know the way I look at that's type. Man. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.040 But I'm glad Man can business with me so I 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.040 can get to the bag man, you know, and get 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.040 us right, you know what I'm saying, and let the 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.360 mother dude figure it out. Oh no you paid, no, no, no, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.640 this is it. You pay for it. You pay for 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.440 that information, you know what I mean. Like it's it's school. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.360 But people only respect what they pay for, right right, 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.080 you know. But you know Mac is a sharp brother man, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.079 and I'm glad I got the friendship with him, you know. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.480 On all serious that I do. Man, good brother man, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:08.880 and he stay out the way the mess. You know 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.679 what I'm saying. It's always a positive interaction with him. Man. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.680 And we didn't go hold you up for no long time, Matt. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.600 We just want to touch in with you. Man. We 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.360 appreciate it because we you know, I want to talk 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.920 too much because we got something that's more in death coming. Man. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.000 And I appreciate you on boy, it's all good man. 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.640 I appreciate you all much love and respect, much love 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:33.559 back my brother, absolutely all right. One that we had 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.720 we had Mac one old man. Like I said, Man, one, 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.600 you know that don't talk about you know that, don't 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.480 put his business out there. You ain't gonna never see 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:41.960 him in the Four of Us and all that. Man. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.800 But when I tell you he's getting it, he really 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.959 getting it, you know what I mean. It's just crazy 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.000 because you don't find communing like that that's in the 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:55.200 business that survived it, yes, especially back in that day business. Yeah, 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:02.720 with then it's crazy how you don't get involved or 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.000 how you couldn't have been involved and all the ship 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.559 that was going on in rap music because you know, 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.600 I mean, this motherfucker had a show and then this 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:14.079 motherfucker comes. I gotta beat with this. Everybody had to 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.360 beat with somebody to make it out of that. It 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.520 shows you, like thatth road, it shows you what not 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.920 to do, especially me, It shows me what not to 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.319 do and which way you don't want to go, because 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.200 I've already been down that road, so I'm already knowing 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.040 I'm going left, going right, I'm going left. I ain't 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:40.440 going where y'all going. So it's crazy that and you 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:45.080 see like like uh, master p, how those dudes just 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.800 made it selling ship out of the car and made it. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.319 But but so much controversy and then here here you 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.000 have it. These guys is here to talk about it today, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.280 you know, and still got money. Is another guy that's 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.360 doing really well still really we're still living off his money. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.440 That yeah, you still doing really well man. So hip 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.959 hop has definitely been good to a lot of these brothers. Man. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.160 You know, it's like, um, it swallowed up a lot 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.280 of brothers too, sallow up a gang of people. Man, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.319 swallowed up a gang of people. You know. And like 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.959 you talked about that, Eric James, when was that man 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.120 that was doing the so called East West conflict? Man, 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.080 that was a real dangerous time, man, because I had 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.200 a whole bunch of homeboys in New York at that time. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.800 And I had homeboys me living before the death Row ship. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.559 Uh you had you had rappers that was really out 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.319 there going at each other before death Row. Oh yeah, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.520 hill Ship just came out where it was. It was. 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.760 You have to know about it because the way going 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.920 to New York, Atlanta and all this other different ship 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.960 it was always an issue. And then the guns came 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.320 to play and then she'll brought gang bang into the 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.560 rap like real strong. You know what I'm saying. Would 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:03.040 you say that was that was largely shot. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.040 because it wasn't it wasn't hidden like that. At first, 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.920 cast was just going at it, you know, seeing each 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.400 other and didn't didn't like each other ship. Then the 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.360 next stage it was this rapper talking about this rapper 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:20.040 because now they see it's more money and and battle rap, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.199 you know what I'm saying. So then here comes shoot. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.959 She'll just set the ship over the top, She'll run 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:32.360 twenty gang members and and unleashed have at it. Whoever 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.720 you rob, you rob, that's your money. So all the 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.760 wolves was out there eating and taking over ship. So 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.240 now the fear come in. People were so afraid of 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.280 not just shoot, but death roll, you know what I'm saying, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.280 because they know when they see death row, they could 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.880 be a victim. Well yeah, exactly. You know what the 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.240 East coast West coast thing that was going on for 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.000 a long time. Man, another one of my homeboys, man 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.080 was in the two Live crew, believe it's not Mr Mix, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.319 who was originally from Riverside, California. A lot of people 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.520 don't know that from the two Live crew, and he 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.920 was telling me back in the day, man, how yeah, yeah, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.040 you know, he was telling me back in the day 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:14.760 how they would do shows and run DM see in 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.160 them and you know, New York the epicenter of hip hop. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:19.960 You know, it's the birthplace to start it all. Say, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.080 look at these country dudes up there with the girls 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.880 on stage shaking their booties to be like you know 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.960 that ship wat or whatever. He was telling me, they 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.680 would turn the lights off on him and ship you 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.800 know what I mean, just stuff like that. It was like, really, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.360 but he said that that's how they got cool with 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.920 Cube and all of them to down South brothers and 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.280 the West Coast dudes. When they was on the road, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.720 they was kind of figuring like, you know what, man, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.320 it's only us out here. We were all these New 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.040 York cats, so we could hold each other down. So 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.000 that's why you say today it's still kind of a 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.760 camaraderie with the South and the West Coast. There's never 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.960 been no issues because they kind of when they were 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.840 starting off together. Man, it was kind of a thing. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.760 I should have tried to hit Mr Mix up man, 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.240 so we could tell with them stories. He told me 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.160 about the time to him and looking them almost got 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.760 into it with them cats man. Yeah, on the road, Yeah, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.240 dudes cutting off their lives they're doing the show because 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.720 they was mad, because um, they were going a thing, man, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.000 And you know, these dudes was the headliners at first, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.400 but by the time the tour in, you know, to 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.240 live them as the headlines of the show because they're 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.120 like they're killing it. They're killing the performance. It's two 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.360 live crew is in w A. They all going out there, right, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.040 so it's like, you know, too short, they say, too short, 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.280 go out there with just you know, they said, Big 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.200 Daddy came to them up there and stuff. Man with 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.480 these elaborate steaks setups, and too short, come out there 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.760 with some cagies on a T shirt and go be action. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.840 The whole crowd go crazy, and it's like eventually he 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.960 headlined the whole show. And it's like, you know, they're 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.120 looking at these dudes with these like kind of like 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.520 really remedial rhymes compared to some of the stuff that 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.240 the Brothers in New York was doing, it like is 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.640 this possible? You know what I mean? But that all man, Yeah, 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.960 it's not even man to bring back the negativity of it. Man, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.240 I'm just glad that we all passed that because really 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.120 everybody kind of sounded like the from down South right now. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.520 This kid, I just really got like my guys over 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.440 the last few weeks that you know, we've been out here, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.320 um working on you know the things we're working on. Um, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.240 they've been playing a lot of stuff in me. You know, 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.440 I got I got us all in this big house, right. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.200 So everybody's there, and so they're playing the TV and 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.640 I'm like, well, who's that? Who's that? And everybody. A 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.320 lot of them sound the same to me. A lot 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.320 of them using an auto tone ship but auto tunes, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:28.080 but they do all sound or are from Atlanta, like 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:32.240 you know, like they're all from the South, specifically Atlanta. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.280 That's what's dominating right now. That that sound, you know. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.560 And that's the great thing about hip hop though, man, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:42.080 is that it bounces around the country. Man. And because 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:43.920 you know what to believe it or not, Man, wish 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.920 the cat that just that rest in Peaks, Man, that's 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.520 that kid. That kid's voice was phenomenal. Yeah, he had 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.600 a real London England sound. A lot of people I 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:57.640 used to go down you know, and it sounds like, yeah, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:16:59.840 they didn't call it real back then. It was called 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.880 nels man. But London always had a real progressive songs 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.040 when I was going over there, like in two thousand three. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.360 I would hear those beats over there and I'll be like, man, 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.360 this ship is kind of you know the dudes over 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.840 the rap like bloody mate. Yeah, you know, they had 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:17.119 a lot certain patterns. Their music was just reginal, know 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:22.360 what I'm saying. It was the grime grime so before 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.240 drill music with drill music, it was grime. Yeah. Grime 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.600 is kind of like the guy father to drill music. Yeah, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.760 grime is like that grime music. And I know some 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.320 of the clubs in England just like they was wasn't 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.360 booking a lot of the gangster rap acts out here. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.840 They wasn't booking the um the grime max over there 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.720 because it was brothers in the club getting stabbed. You know, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.119 they don't really have they got guns in England, but 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.080 you would get stabbed over there like a mother know 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:51.840 what roadman out there? Yeah, you know they got a 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.119 lot of the Africans man and the Jamaican dudes. You know, 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.160 you get stabbed about them, missed the round. I gotta 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.399 home mee out there. Who actually helped me to launched 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.960 Don Diva in London only name is Speedy St John 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.080 and he got deported. Back in the eighties, is run 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.679 around out there in d C. Body snatching. You know, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.720 they used to rob rob hustles a ship like that, 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.200 so him and his crew they got shipped off. That's 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.240 about to tell people. Man, this gangsters all over the world. Man, 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.080 you can't really all over the world. So you'd be 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.040 somewhere in Germany the bottom thinking you could about to 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:28.720 be missing with some dudes. Drink some tea and I say, man, fly, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.760 give me a car. I dry that shark and take 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:37.280 my gun with me. I don't worry about getting stabbed show. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:42.400 I'd rather be you do j flying. I don't wait, man, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.520 I've always believed I'm not been in falling the water 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:52.480 and get aden by a shark or crocking down gators. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.600 When we do these Gangster Chronicle shows next year, we 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.000 gonna put you on a boat with your car. Right 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.760 boat ride long boy. I sit on that mother but 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.640 too much. If I gotta get there, I'm just gonna 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.639 leave me for y'all. That's all I got. Yeah, Australia 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.159 all that, but that flight in itself, man, I was 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.440 too goddamn boards shitting there and the little drinks I mean, 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.679 you can only drink so many of them to go 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.919 to sleep. Wake up, you're still You're still in the 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:29.520 air eighteen hours, eighteen hours, nineteen hours straight through. If 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.679 I travel that far, bro, I'm not coming back for 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.119 a month. No. I stayed out there nine days. It 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.560 came from man. I was worried about James not coming 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.760 back because he has. My wife heard that right now. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.240 She'd be like, he's he's not lying. Yeah, we know 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.080 what's funny about it. You know, caress one, don't don't 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.720 fly man. He goes over the Europe by boat, man, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.760 give me a car. What he goes, you can Rope. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.640 I ain't talking about Europe. I ain't going to Europe there. 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.600 I'm talking about I'm gonna go wherever I can, if 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.200 it's in car, if I can get in the car, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.520 I'm going there in the car. No I say that 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.119 if I go just like when I was in Australia, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.840 some of them sitting and all that ship. I had 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.760 to get on the plane our flight. What's the fucking sense. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.240 Let's just rent a car, Let's just drive to these 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:24.879 motherfucking playing huh So just going to these places and 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.240 that to get on the goddamn plane. Then makes sense 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.840 to me. I'm scared of drop falling. I don't want 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.520 to fall, so like I'm gonna tell James, I meet 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.360 him over the tell but we'd be over there there. 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.600 You can leave three days before us, the four days before, 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.440 so we meet you over there for real. They don't 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:42.720 do something because I can't be in the car. But 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.560 I can't do a bus though I can travel by 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.359 any means, you know. But the idea of being on 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:55.800 a plane for eighteen hours, yes, but you know, I mean, 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.040 if the opportunity is big enough, I'll do it. Yeah, 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.440 it was, it was. It was well worth it going 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.160 out there. Everything was free, ship, rooming, board food. Now 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.720 that ship was free, and that people are beautiful. Oh man, 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.879 it's nothing like here, nothing like here to make you 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.199 shave you. I don't want to go home really because 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:19.480 every fucking body is nice. Everybody. You don't see none 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.679 of this ship out there somewhere like that. It's a 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.920 beautiful time. I end up somewe like that. Right now, 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.040 I'm just in the woods and just wake up and 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.680 you just see this clear ass ocean. Just man, that 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.719 would be it for me. Bro what was it? But 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.520 I had to come home. I had a grandkid I 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.120 had to get back to. You don't have to take 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.000 care of you know, saying so, I don't like rehashing 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.639 these old moments, man, But talking to Mac, y'all were 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:50.200 smashing so hard back then with death. Roman Boy wasn't 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.000 there for a time. Man. Did you ever have any 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.480 communication with Sugar about that? Y'all was kind of doing 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:56.600 too much, because I know you talked about this sometimes 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.840 that you since the stuff was kind of going too 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.960 far at the again, at the beginning, like I said, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:07.400 I was fresh out of prison, you know before. I mean, 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.040 our bullshit started in eight eight when I got out 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:14.040 of prison. Um, the ship that we was involved in 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.160 and and you know, studios and all this other ship 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.280 and and just being us. You know, we would walk 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.199 into some ship, you know what I'm saying, and you know, 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.320 going into ruthless records, you know, walking up in their 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:31.760 motherucking demanding contracts and ship like that. Um, yeah, it 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.000 was some ship. Man. We gotta slow down. So he 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.040 was there for all legs. He was right there, up 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.280 close and personal for all of them, gathering up the 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.720 contracts and everything. I was in there. I was, Yeah, 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:42.560 I was in there. I ain't gonna see what I did, 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.400 but I was. I was. I was that dude like 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:53.840 to the security with with just a little videos, you 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.440 know what I'm saying. And who was there with the 0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.240 twins in there at the time, like the big Olds 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:03.080 more dudes, No, no, this is this is a black brother. 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.959 He was about maybe six six, big brother and he 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:12.280 was standing at the door of Jelly Jerry's uh office. 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:16.600 Because you're going ruthless, go to the right, straight on 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:22.040 down the Heart's Jerry ship easy was there. So just 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:27.359 just knowing what we're going for. Okay, everything in there 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.960 is gonna be sitting down and we can't let him move. 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.879 So when we walked in and she'll got a pacific 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:39.359 point he was going to and that's to Jerry his office. 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.919 So going in there, everything else I gotta make stop. 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.560 And everything stopped going the hand of your business closed, dough, 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.160 y'all do y'all thing. You know what I'm saying, Everything 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.719 that belong to them, you're gonna stay outside of this. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:59.040 Though it would have been across to come, I would 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.560 have locked the door. I knew these motherfucker's was coming out. 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.440 He didn't expect it. Um a lot of ship that 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.320 that it was just walk in and I assume and 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.760 she walked out of the would check to unexpected just 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.160 you old us for this and Dre got the contracts 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:21.359 and Dre Michel came with us when they told you 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.600 it was this much money, Well he already knew that 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:30.080 that because Easy Easy Officer was at his house and 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:35.000 the contracts that Easy have. Chill didn't get that. So 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.000 that's when Easy made the song. You know, Dreda still 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.080 is his payday, so he was still getting his money. 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.320 He wouldn't he went no food, just like with straight 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.800 out of Counting that movie. The way they did that ship, 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:51.200 it was totally a fucking lie, you know what I'm saying. 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:55.919 It totally a fucking lie. Easy didn't come to the 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.560 office and get his ask. Well, Nicks jumped on him 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.679 and then he walked away and then said, hell no, 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.880 it wasn't real. Dre wasn't punching on no mother. Dray 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.520 would have got his ass wood And I'm telling that, 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.600 I hope you hear me, motherfucker, if you would have 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.480 touched one of the homies, everybody that I hired and 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.160 that my brother brought there, all the homies was bigger 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.520 than me. They was six three six four and the 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.720 motherfucker's had yokes. So if Drey would have hit any 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.959 one of them penitentiary as niggers, he didn't even got raped, 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:32.119 but you probably wouldn't mind y'all gonna cut that, but 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.000 he'd have got raped, and he just seriously got his 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.399 ass what So, Yeah, all that ship was bullshit, you 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:43.240 know what I'm saying. The way they made them look 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.520 and the way they made us look was a fucking joke, 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.840 a fucking jokes. Why did Why do you think they 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.720 did that? Why they wore the downland? I did the 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:56.639 same thing with Peyton for if. And you get to 0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.119 see anybody that be one with their character and how 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:04.240 they how they conduct business. Everybody got to put water 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.280 in and you know what I'm saying, I can't go 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.520 in him be one huntred with it because everybody know 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:11.639 who I am. Now, you know what I'm saying. So 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.200 they gotta lie. They gotta fabricate a whole bunch of ship, 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:19.200 which in that movie they did that that was come on, man, 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.359 Dre did never raise his voice and Snoop, we're good. 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.840 But Snoop didn't walk in death roll. What'side a car? 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.639 What's no, no, no, no, nothing like that, not carrying 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.560 o blue agg in his back pocket on some banging ship. 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.280 So it was just like that. So it's crazy though. 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.320 He went in because that's gangster. He went there, took 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.439 the contracts man, because I know if that would have 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.520 been me out of any check they wanted. As soon 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:46.879 as you all the left would have been calling the 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.879 bank check number one five five free three you all 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:56.199 came back to MPs office. It was the mussel was 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.000 the muscle was laid down before even came death row. 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:03.200 Uh taking ship from vanill Ice and ship like that, 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:07.960 the alleged said, I did. But I remember Chocolate, who 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.800 I called him, is the one that said he wrote 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:15.040 the song Ice Ice Baby, YadA YadA. She'll just took 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.560 that what to him. Had had a piece of paper 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:20.879 written up, thinking you old us for this, and she 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:25.520 and Chocolate got paid for him and they did. Chip yeah, 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.160 because do you think Cholo wrote that song. I think 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.680 Chocolate knows something about it. I ain't gonna talk about 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.920 about my dog, but it's getting some money on. Everybody 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.560 got paid. You gotta scare motherfucking mind as we'll get 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.600 what you get. So that's what happened. A story. The 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.080 motherfucker's and all of that other ship was the game 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:52.960 and that business you know before She'll given became a 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.520 a death row fern Hill Records. We was doing button 0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.080 wise is super Fest. We were security guards, you know. 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:05.320 And and from that Chill, Chill is a smart motherfucker. 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.280 He took everything that was around him, and then he 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:12.720 had one person putting business in his head, which was 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:17.240 Big West. Big West told should everything you needed to know, 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:21.080 so now she'll take that, and had his own blueprint. 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.240 Sill blueprint was to bring the muscle in here and 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.639 to make every everything that he probably was or thought 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:33.800 might giving him a problem. They got attacked. So you 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.040 get rid of the hardcore motherfucker's and everybody see you 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.080 get rid of them. Everybody else just started landing face 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.280 down and was like this, please don't hurt me. And 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.400 from that point she got everything and whatever he wanted 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:51.120 because everybody was afraid of it. Wow, man, that that's 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.840 that's like, it's crazy. Now that's some real ship. That's 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.800 some real gage of ship. You know. Me and she'll 0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.680 have about issues, but that was it was. It was 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:05.960 clever it was clever and and just to see the 0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.480 people that was afraid of him, especially at the concert. 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.680 And then you looking and motherfucker's get the funk out 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:17.640 of the way. Here comes Sugar and his crew, and 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.000 you know, Sugar got this thing and you knock the 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:24.280 motherfucker out to that You're gonna get a bonus for 0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.320 doing what they did. Bet everybody out of the penitentiary. Mother, 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:32.240 everybody would like to fight. Everybody had hands and you 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.080 knock the motherfucker out in the fight. It was on 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.520 the cracking, you know what I'm saying. We had to 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.040 fight with the Rams football team to hold about nine 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.600 of them, and then with some big motherfucker's their ears 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.560 was not going the traps and ship. I was like, 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.480 what the funk, how are we gonna do this one? 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:54.520 And we just took off. We just gotta have heard now. 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.320 We were standing on courts just bank like you gotta 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.360 have hard like as big as you want to be. Man, 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.080 I hit one the motherfucker's in his motherfucker's shaw his 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.040 if he just my little home boy, Mike said, was 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.840 like thing like men. We had the ball that night 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.280 and one of the twins were still beating the ship 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:13.720 out of one of them in the middle of the street. 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.640 When the police pulled up, right ship, they took him 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.680 to jail. He beat us back to death. Bro. They 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:22.440 kind of got him out this like that. He was 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.600 out interesting and talking about it, laughing about it. It 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.960 was just some fun ship. But it just got out 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:34.000 of here to check this out. Interesting conversation or interesting 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.120 story ethic. Um, we're in Miami. 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Remember Jackie Gleason from there, 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.800 you know, honeymoonist. So he had he had this real 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:15.680 futuristic house, like even in two thousand and five. It 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.920 was a futuristic house, right, So we and there were 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.400 kicking whatever whatever. You know. Micha had all the whips 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.360 brought down on car carriers. And the Bentley was a 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.000 brand new car like the Bentley GTS a brand new car. 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:33.080 The Fathom was brand new car. You know. It was 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.120 a bunch of you know, a couple of lanmdbows. What 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.400 have just you know, all parked out front. So Suld 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.479 comes right and um, he comes to see him, come 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:41.880 to see us and whatever. So we're sitting down at 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.960 the table on the upper levels around the dentistable huge 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:48.200 dinner table, and he, you know, we're talking and he's like, 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:53.480 you know what, man, Um, I'm really like, I regret 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.120 all that ship. Man, I really regret This is from 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.760 his mouth out yes to our ears. And I'm sitting 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.840 there as closest to him as I under you right now, 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.240 I really regret that ship. That ship cost a lot, 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.040 you know, he said, I really regret that. Now. I'm 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:10.800 not oning that ship no more. I'm done with that 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:12.480 ship for real, for it. It was just too it 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:18.240 was too costly. This is out of his mouth. Time. 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.480 Remember he got nine years for a kick, not even 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.160 an effective kick. It was just a kick. It was 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.160 just said, I'm here nine years. So he was on 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:30.120 paper still at the time. Yeah, you know, so it'll 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.200 get a nine year violation, right that don't that don't 0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:37.160 make no sense. But of course he was a target. 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:38.960 Please could go all the way back when she was 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:46.600 in v playing ball. She'll had assaults in boxes just 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:50.840 goddamn high Uh, just getting in trouble, and getting in 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.240 trouble when you're seeing his judge and you're not listening. 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.840 They want to make an example out of you. Show 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.320 they was trying to make an example out of him. 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.880 But every time he came home, he came back home 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.120 to the same ship. And that's motherfucker's ready to get 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.239 back into the ground. That's the motherfucker just ready to 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.120 start punching on motherfucker's and getting that money. So he 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:16.120 came right back in this situation, you know what I'm saying. 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.320 So he didn't have a choice. So with the Orlando 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.680 ship here you is, he didn't know how to separate 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:28.920 the two. I'm gonna CEO and the gangster part. You 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.799 got fifteen niggas there, Let them handle the gangster ship, 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.120 and you ship back. You snatched TUPI and you sit down. 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.719 And I said this all the time. Sit this motherfucker 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.440 right here by you, or y'all start walking out that guy. 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:45.360 Damn Casino. These guys already know what to do. And 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.399 I think that young dude that they whipped his ass 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.879 would have would have accepted it better because he going 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:56.040 against his rivals from Compton. And now we can take 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.560 this ship back to the soil, back to the hood. 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:01.800 Not no for beating my ass or jumping on me 0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.920 and didn't hit him. These niggers disrespecting me with their 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.399 feet because you know, you kick him, man, and that's 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.279 the lot ship you can do. And and then you 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.400 let him up. That's where the mistakes cut him up. 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.879 You feel me, So chick should have stepped away from 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.239 that ship. And I used to tell him. I used 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.480 to tell fuck the magazines, fun chacking pictures. We do 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:28.520 too much to be on on film. Yeah, sounding my 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.400 conversations with me and he pretty much because Meek's pretty 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.600 much told himself he pretty much wanted to do what 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.759 he wanted to do. Mitsya had Um. I went to 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.719 Atlanta Meetsya had billboards up in there, up in the 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.759 a like when you came in there. This dude was 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.239 just flaunting his wealth. You know what I mean. Just 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.000 I'm a deep boy. I'm the biggest deep way it is. 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.080 And you can't do a damn thing when you get 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:51.759 caught up. And he was bothering. He was caught up, Yeah, 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:53.719 he was. He was called up. Once you once you 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:57.319 once you make yourself a figure, the police is looking 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.800 at you. They want to see and they're gonna going depth. 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.439 How you getting down like that black man without a job? 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.759 How is you getting in like that show? It comes 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.680 beneficial for them because you know, if they fun with him, 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:13.640 they're gonna get some paper out of the deal some 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.759 kind of way. You know, they're saying that people will 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.160 still finding cars down if you bring the luxury vihicle 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:21.800 on Atlanta. They see people will still finding by accident. 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.319 You know, the kid here the button back of let 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.279 the air conditioning thing up and a trapdoor fall up, 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.120 a hundred thousand dollars fall out, you know what I mean, 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.920 just stuff like that. Nobody took that hundred thousand dollars 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:38.680 in the house. You know, it's yours. Motherfucker's is crazy 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.520 and you gotta put it in the lost and founds 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.279 for thirty age and then if done, nobody claiming the 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.960 jail about your mind. But you know why somebody got 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.080 to even know I don't understand that. I mean understand, 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.359 you know, being a moral person and I understand those 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.840 things now, I mean we had that people get screwed 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.000 up like this. If this people get that screwed up. 0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.880 People do think that gangsters don't have morals like normal people. 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.960 Don't think that gangsters have morals. They said, they figured 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.319 morals are what they define as moral. So what they 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:13.360 define as morals is, you know, someone who won't harmon 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.880 of the person you know, or you know, do some 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.839 do some you know, something drastic to another person. That's 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.319 what they believe to be moral. But what the truth 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:26.440 of it is that all situations in society have their morals. 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.719 There are things that people do in corporate America that 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.600 we in the street would never do. Oh for sure. Man, 0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.840 you think just the American government alone. You think about 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:39.279 the president, right, he goes he's looking for Osama being lutton, right, 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.920 and he go, we gotta kill his motherfucker. Right. He 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:45.200 knows when they do the when they do the surveillance 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.560 on this stuff, and when they do the intelligence he's 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.520 in there. It's about thirty kids in the villages, you know, 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:54.640 fifty elderly people. Whatever. Gotta go, gotta go, that's the mentality. 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:56.560 So they dropped the bomb knowing that in order to 0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.799 get this one target, they go kill an innocent people 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.520 that don't have ship to do with the situation. You know, 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.879 those aren't people, Those are collateral damage. But I can't 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:10.239 make it right or justify murder. And you've got people 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:13.840 shooting on the depth road for murder or in prisons 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:16.839 for murder, and they is all right for them commit murder. 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:23.399 Man the hypocrisy, that's the hypocris bush they are, they are. 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:27.320 We understand this. We understand that the banking system is gangsterism. 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.960 If you understand what what the tenants of banking are, 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:31.759 do you understand that that's the same thing as the 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:36.040 tenants and gangsterism? Government, same thing, same thing. We take 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:40.200 what we can enforce. You dig like we do what 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:45.480 we can enforce. So you know, I mean it. You 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.359 can't say that if you're not bullying, we can't bully 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:53.439 other gangsters. That's our space. So I mean no, you can't. 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.520 Mother can't bully me. You got you got brothers out 0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:01.560 there with this mentality. Okay, he's the hardest motherfucker. They're 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.879 saying his house. So I gotta prove to you you're 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:10.279 not the hardest. Okay, okay, So are you're not knowing 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.600 my approach, You're gonna have a problem because either I 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:19.279 just woke up and shoot you, or I see where 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:25.040 he's going. Did she has his hands is did she? However, 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.839 he get down. Let's see how you get down before 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.640 we really go one thirty. That's why you have to 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:37.279 make every demonstration thorough, thorough for those who who might 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:41.640 be watching you. You hold sye like normal said earlier, 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:46.719 or mac has said earlier, like gangsters don't want no problems. Man. 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.319 You're trying to get to the money, trying to get 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.920 to the bread. Now, anything in between us and that 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:55.360 and the circumstances around getting to that will incorporate whatever 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.960 means unnecessary. So in the instance of death Row, that 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:03.000 meant putting weight on cats. But in some instances in 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:04.919 the gangster space, it doesn't mean putting weight on cats. 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.680 It means out thinking them, out maneuvering them, out doing them. 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.359 You know what I'm saying. On the playing field right, 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:15.320 So when when when you know somebody comes at you 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.879 and you don't know them, and they're trying to test 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.799 your steal or whatever ever, If a if a man 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:24.040 don't walk up to me, if he has any malicious intent, 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.120 if he walks up to me or or or being 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:32.080 like me, he's going to have to get it done 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:35.919 right then and there, or leave it completely alone because 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.759 he's he's he's giving his life up. Now, if you 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.080 get that's not bullying. If if you, if you, if 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:42.600 you knock the cat off right then and there, it's 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:45.919 not bullying. That's that's not bulliant. But bullying is when 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:50.239 you're constantly putting that pressure on that individual. You can't 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.120 do that to know gangster. Once you make it known 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.239 to him that you don't intend to allow him to 0:40:55.320 --> 0:41:00.000 exist harmoniously, then it's on. It's not no bullying. Every 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.360 time you see me we face fighting and you you 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.520 you boxing me out and all that, that's bullying. You 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.640 ain't no gangs if you're getting bullied. And the reason 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:11.320 why I say that is because the tactics that that 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:15.040 she'll have used with certain individuals in the music business 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:20.480 we're tested were Uh, if you don't do this, I'm 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.799 saying such and such. If you don't do this this way, 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.680 then we got a problem. If we got a problem, 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:29.520 you can't be here. Here are here facts. So if 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.400 a motherucker don't go here here and here already accept 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:38.000 that he allowing him to bully him, that he could 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:42.520 stop calling something. But then you have that man that says, okay, 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.600 do what you gotta do. I don't want to mention 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:50.759 no Masterpee names or no Luke's you know that wasn't 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:54.480 afraid of, you know, the Boogeyman or the big bad shoes. 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.200 I don't want to say their names. So you know, 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.680 don't think I said Luke or or a man name 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.719 in this No doubt, no doubt came doubt, no doubt. 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.720 We never say though when you run up across somebody 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.759 that wasn't. Yeah, but then now you got the nature 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.359 step the game up and then but you can't step 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.879 the game up in another motherfucker's house. You ain't gonna 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.560 be They're gonna win at somebody else house when they 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.160 got because they're on the square. On the square, you 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.480 can't beat the man on the square a hundred pounds heavier, 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.320 four ft taller. If a man is on his square, 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.759 he is most powerful on his square. You can't be 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.200 out done on his square. See the way you beat 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.960 somebody who has a greater you know, maybe have a 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.680 greater position, they have a greater degree of power or 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.719 a greater degree of resources, is you get them to 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.279 be so confident that you get them to come off 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:46.640 the square. Because once they come off, they square. All 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.320 things are equal. But one thing I got Roy Jones 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.799 not to cook all off, man, I got I guess 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:57.319 I'll be doing that read tonight. You know one thing 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.200 I wanted to say about that though, man, and this 0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.000 is really the old thing of it. Man, we can 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.480 sit up here and glorified you know, all that stuff 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:09.320 that has classification. Yeah, but you know, I think James 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:15.960 made a valid point. Should had accomplished something. Man, there's 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.120 no ceo since Barry Gordy was able to do right. 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.120 He had really built the dynasty right once he had 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:23.920 put the demo down. Now, I'm not gonna say in 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.400 that area that some of them asked weapons weren't necessary 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.319 sometimes in order to get what you want, especially back then, 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.320 you had executives acting the way they did because I 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.040 was in the industry, you know, I was working for 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.880 the publishing companies and stuff like that. Man, you had 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.439 to roll a certain way because in l a meeting 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.080 doing this. Man, I had over the mentor to work 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:44.040 for Bug Music, and he had took me to the 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.160 bar one time and he said, man, you're ready for it. 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.080 You got you this job right. What you go do now? 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:50.520 And I said, you know what's cool. I'm in there. 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.880 I'm thinking, I'm just working for a publishing company. I 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:54.520 got a little bit of power I can get to 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.160 do with the check, but I had limits to what 0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.200 I could do. If it was anything over seventy five dollars, 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.839 I couldn't move on it. So this older brother man, 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.000 and he had been working the industry man since the 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.760 very gordy days, right, he told me, he said, man, listen, 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.239 you got a class of people out here, especially in 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.759 the West Coast, even in New York. You'll get guys 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:15.640 that's gonna be coming here trying to press you to 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.920 get deals down and do this and that. And I 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.200 never ran across that man. It's like you said, like, 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.920 And I think maybe because I knew people and stuff 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:26.920 like that, I never had a problem with getting a 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.800 brother check. If they had the goods, you had to 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.000 be on a certain level because I didn't mind telling 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.000 the person they was whack. You know, this ain't no 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.120 good man. It's like, I can't do nothing with this. 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.320 Get some traction with it. And I had people that 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.080 might have got up. You know, don't nobody want to 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.320 hear that day stuff ain't at the bar. But I 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.279 just kept one hundred with him, and I never made 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.400 them think that I was gonna do something with them. 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.759 But I saw a lot of record executives back then. Man, 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.480 they would you know at brothers give brothers agreement has 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.480 had them going back and forward the attorney and then 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.560 the deal just wouldn't go down. It would be somebody 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.960 the end of the pipe that said no, I think 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.000 what what should deal? Man? He had such a tremendous 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.000 opportunity at that time. Man, I really will say, man, 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.919 that about him kind of going over poor? He set 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:16.399 us back another teen years. Man, I agree, I agree 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:19.600 with that. I think I think everything is still moving 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.239 the way it was going to be moving. It's moving 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.000 even better that he's out of the way. And which 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:29.000 were the people in the musical business wanted him out 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.840 of the way. Now they can go home and close 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:36.399 their card dough and won't in their house opposing having 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.080 a light on the porch, having somebody stand by the 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.640 door with the door open, and having somebody walked the 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:46.280 perimeter around the house. People was putting up cameras because 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.200 it she was nice. People were straight afraid of his 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:53.120 brother and and people don't realize she was a smart 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.759 motherfucker and he used his ship. Man Sugar is the 0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:01.760 only motherfucker I know that can get twenty motherfucker's bigger, 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:05.000 bigger or the same size as himself and control it. 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.400 You know what I mean? Have them do or I 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:12.200 mean the devil all you motherfucker's do my bed and 0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.880 and and nobody come out of it with riches. Nobody 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:20.279 come out motherfucker's right now today. So what was if 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.359 they don't come out of it with riches and they're 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:26.360 doing the Devil's bidding? What was their payoff? What was 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.239 that motivation? The payoff was doing something that we never 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:35.680 did before, travel uh get money without uh disrespecting others 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.080 to get it, which is robbery and all this other 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.640 ship uh cash and had to sell dope and sitting 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.160 on the block all day no more. Motherfucker's was getting 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:50.359 a paycheck, which stability and nobility. Everybody that was coming 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:53.600 out of there never had a paycheck, never seen a paycheck, 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:55.719 Never want you to bake the casting check. And I 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.080 think that aspect of it was beautiful, Sames, I think 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.239 it was beautiful. I think I'm about to control party. 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.480 I think at some point, what you gotta say now, 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.200 you gotta say, okay, we don't put the demo down 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.080 to l A. Ain't nobody messing with us, right, I 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.479 got brothers here working for me. Now at that point 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.520 you got to go to the next level. Now I say, okay, 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.000 this dude got a legitimate job, this cat got a 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:17.919 legitimate job. We don't have to do nothing else, because 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.080 I remember the time, man, motherfucker's were scared shipless a 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.120 death row. You didn't have to do nothing else at 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.799 that point, right, you just go boom a motherfucker runn 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:27.919 across the room. Right, So now you're at this point, 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.719 you got it going on. The most powerful man of music, 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.800 Jimmy Iven love you you over there playing football with 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:35.600 this cat over his house. One of the biggest dudes 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.160 of music. I think with sugar Man, not to show 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.879 people I give credit with creditors due if you look 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.360 at what he put together, Man, it was genius. You 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:49.360 know it was million in a in a year. Was 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:54.439 that you wanted in fifty million? His first year death 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:58.560 row was worth over six hundred and seventy eight million dollars, 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:03.360 and and I don't know where that money went. Yeah, nobody, 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.680 you've got to understand, see a lot of these numbers 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:11.000 that they bring up somewhere. This is the it's yeah, 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:18.439 this is the fun umber and the way it works 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.080 to the way it works. And distribution is this too. 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:25.080 You have record sales coming in. Right as soon as 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.800 those record seals come in, that money is distributed. It 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.959 comes in. So it's like it's like even when we do, okay, 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.480 let's say you gotta roster ten people come in, right 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:37.560 as soon as that money come in, you gotta pay accounts, fees, 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.880 press and distribution, marketing calls. So all that stuff is 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:43.480 coming like this now. Even still after that, you have 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.560 a hell of a net profit after that right to 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.839 where it was a lot of money made. But if 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:49.880 you're spending the money as soon as it comes in, 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:54.839 watches women, all this other extra stuff. Man, it can 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:59.239 go fast. Yeah, it can go fast. If I told you, man, 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:02.080 and too thouse in uh in two thousand and six, 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.400 that's the most money I've made in my wife. I 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:08.000 made eight dollars. When I tell you, I don't got 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.120 a penny from that in nine days. Because it's something 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:13.040 about it. The more money you make, the more money 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:15.839 you spend. Well, that's because you don't know the nature 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.560 of money. People who do that. I did that, I 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.000 made and spend millions because I didn't know the nature 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:23.680 of money. Gets what I'm saying is when you when 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:25.920 you don't know the nature of money, your one relationship 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:29.160 with it is consumption. Exactly, consumption. People that they can 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:33.520 buy their comfort, you know, dollars. I'm gonna be a 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.120 fucking idiot with it. I'm gonna I'm gonna spend it 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:39.600 like a goddamn fuck it. But what but what about 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.000 the fact that you're you're you're a man, You're a 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:47.440 man with a certain age, right, But the opportunity for 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:52.960 you to do developed that type of foundation, financial foundation 0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:57.160 for that beautiful grandchild, my grandkids. You know, it's just 0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:59.160 different enough, because you know, the thing is when you 0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:04.080 get older, I get money. Now I'm less after spend it. 0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:05.799 You feel what I mean, It's like, I don't give 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.160 a about cars. I don't have every kind of car. 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.759 Heals pretty much. I'm not tripping on no cars. As 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.560 a matter of fact, I thought about that they don't 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:14.800 even have a car now that my wife drive this, 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:17.839 my son's drive this. So the car I thought was mine, 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.760 my son it's up at sc he's driving that motherfucker. 0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:22.840 So it's like, I really you know Ship, you know, 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:26.359 when I needed I gotta hopping it with. But it's 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.399 like now, man, you know you think about that whole thing, man, 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.640 and it was really like, um, you've had some incredible 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.520 We've had some incredible black executives and hip hop. You know, um, 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:41.919 you know you got cash money records. You know, people 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.399 talk about Birdman as far as his lack of paining 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.120 people and stuff like that, but nope, he's on the 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.440 run to where he's the one that's outlasted everybody. If 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.600 you look at it right, you know, he's outlasted the 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:57.000 bad boy area. He's outlasted the death Row era, and 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.880 he's been still going. You know, you thought about it 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.480 when you've left and when he had the struggles with Wayne, 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:06.200 he come out with Drake. So he's out last everything. 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:09.160 But it seems like with our black executives, it's always 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.439 something we've never had the one dude that's always straight 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.000 up across the board. It's like, if you talk about puff, 0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:19.560 I think Jeff Dixon, Jeff Dixonutle Chris, Yeah good, but 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:27.879 Helutle Chris has been the the the godsend artist, loyal, appreciative, respectful, 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:32.040 reliable on time. Like because I've known a lot of 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.279 people who've had a lot of artists, and Jeff has 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:39.799 had the best consistent run with a top end, top 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.239 earning artist that I've ever seen, never an issue. Well, 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.480 I'm gonna tell you, I like a lot none of 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.920 you know. Shout off the coach K and P. They 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.080 for what they did in Atlanta. Man, they took dudes 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.560 that was unknown in which you know, you know what means, 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.839 I know it. It's very hard, shout out to coach. 0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:00.439 Almost impossible to take a brand new dude, I don't 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.520 care you all talented heels and make it hit record. 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:04.600 So I see the stuff that's going on now with 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.279 the me goes to where they're coming because you know, 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:10.120 it's mighty find of timeling. This ain't no touring going 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:13.000 on because of the COVID and you know his woman 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.160 is in a lawsuit. Now they're saying they robbed this right, 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:17.440 But what they're not thinking about the first record they 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:20.480 had to broke nationally. Coach K, I know, for aspect 0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:23.520 facts spent about two and fifty dollars on own money. 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:25.640 So yeah, his own money so he can with a 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:27.880 roll the dice. People don't remember that later room. So 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:30.680 now I'm looking at this debacle right and I'm looking 0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:32.680 at them. Oh they're suing them. Now they're saying they 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.640 got robbed, had an unfair deal. But you wasn't saying 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.120 that when they were spending their money on helping you 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:41.640 fulfill the thing they rolled going. So now you're sitting 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:43.680 on there talking about these brothers and stuff. I don't 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:49.960 like it if you're starting the business and there's certain 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.400 things that you gotta pay for to start that business 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:57.200 and then you I come in or these little cash 0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:00.800 come in, and then your artists, are they possible for that? 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.280 They still have to pay that two hundred fifty dollars 0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:07.920 two hundred fifty tho you that caused to make a record. 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:11.120 Why should they have to pay the tuning? Your interest 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.719 is in them? And see that's where this this music 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:17.680 ship is sucked up. Because everything you do for me, 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:19.920 don't tell me you're doing something for me, And at 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:21.480 the end of the day, I gotta pay it back. 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:28.319 But I owe you know if you come and get 0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.160 me and say I want to do this, and then 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:35.239 you spend that no listen. No, no, really, I'm making 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:37.960 sense of the ship. And you spend a hundred thousand 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:42.120 dollars on your corporation, that's what I got to do 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.360 with that. And then I come in as an artist 0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:48.880 and then everything from that you spend on me to 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.719 give me where I need to go, I owe you. 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:57.360 Why do I have to pay that back? I'm not 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.560 I don't have and then I don't have no knowledge 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:02.840 of your business. Your business is your business. I'm just 0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:09.560 your artists. Why do I pay back this joanty dollars 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.879 that that you got from uh Dick Griffy. That ain't 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:19.000 my fucking business. Well, if the two thousand was expended 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:22.640 to create a project for them, then that's why it's 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:26.759 directly attached attached to them, to them, and that's gonna 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.239 be the same for everybody who got allocated whatever they 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:31.920 got allocated for their project, that has to come back 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.239 if if it go out the bag and it don't 0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:38.040 come back to the bag, but but the bag gonna 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:45.719 be empty. Got the bag? You're not listening to women, bro, 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.280 You're seeing if they got an advancement record company already 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:49.560 and they spend that money on you, why do you 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.560 whether they have to give it back. But see, let 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.239 me tell you about this particular situation. Right, and this 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:58.239 is how usually happens. A rapper come at you, right, 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:00.279 a rapper, you know, it's a million rappers off. They're 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:02.360 looking for deals. A lot of talented people in the streets. Right, 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:05.399 it's more talent than the dealose deals. Right. You get 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.839 these guys right here, you invest in them, You say, Okay, 0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.080 I'm gonna take this two hundred fifty thousand dollars I 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:13.000 got and make you a start. I don't know when 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:16.200 no guys bringing ther from no business. The way it works. Okay, 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.520 now we don't make a million, that's cool. We're gonna 0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:20.680 make this million. But I'm gonna take my little too 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:22.719 fifty back up off and I made, and we're gonna 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:24.600 split the rest of this stuff up. That's how I 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:26.879 should go. That's how you know. I don't. I don't 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:31.319 exactly I go. They do more than that. Oh yeah, 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:39.600 in three d and seventy, I will admit this, James infrastructure, 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:43.319 the counting in the recording industry. You ain't got me then? Yeah, 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.359 the counting known that. But to see, that's the thing. 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:49.000 They gotta stop making it seem like you get other 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:51.880 than business. See that's another thing that I've had the 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:55.560 opportunity to who observed during my period doing Don Devon 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.239 and Hip Hop Weekly and being around these guys, and 0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:01.480 I hunt with the with the artists. I didn't deal 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:06.520 with publicists. I didn't deal with underlings or assistance or labels. 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:10.560 I got my access to the labels through the artists themselves. 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:13.520 Y'all want you to spend money with this magazine on 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.840 my project whatever, That's how I got them, right. I 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.879 established relationship with the artists, so I got to sit 0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:22.640 and listen to everybody's stories and all that. Right, And 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:26.000 one of the most consistent issues that I saw a 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:29.000 lot of these kids come from homes that are not structured. 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:31.000 A lot of them come from homes that are missing 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:35.960 the family dynamic. Right, so when they meet somebody who 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.400 may be the first person that expressed some interest in 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:43.040 what they're doing, and that person sensing like doing what 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.080 human beings do? You know? I mean, this is this 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:47.160 is this is what that for the laws is about. 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.480 It's not about so much you trying to assimilate all 0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:55.040 this behavior and you know, um trick and fool everybody 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:59.840 it's about you looking at what has historically happened and 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:05.160 seeing that human beings do these things, you know, without 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.359 knowing they do them as a response to them trying 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:10.880 to get what they want and seeing what works that. 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:13.440 It starts all way down here. I cried, you come, 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.759 bring me food? Got you? You know what I mean. 0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:19.440 So that's just human beings responding to their environment and 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.760 their desires and the and their environments resistance to providing 0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:26.080 their desires. So when these guys come into contact with 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:29.000 these guys with these labels, and the guys like, hey man, 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:31.120 you're good, shorty, I'm saying, we're gonna brow you up 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:33.520 this any less. Oh really, that's what's up. I appreciate 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:36.040 that man with Yeah, Man, you with us. We family, man, 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:37.840 I got you. You're gonna get you straight. You know 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:40.480 what I'm saying. You're gonna be rich. And they make 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:44.640 them rich, but the money does not mean as much 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:48.240 to them as the sense of family, you know what 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:50.400 I'm saying, The sense of family that they give them 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:52.439 when they tell them I got you human. That means 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:54.560 that all the things that I didn't get from the 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.760 primary male role model that I didn't have, I'm expecting 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:00.240 them from you. Is that unrealistic? Yes, it is so 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:03.600 basically what you're saying and I'm hearing you that the 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.880 black brothers has learned from the white boys how not 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.200 to give and no when to give a motherfucker his 0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:14.280 Money's uh, you're do a motherfucker's song and it's number one. 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:18.000 You don't see a goddamn dollar for six months. Get 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:21.600 me my motherfucking money, man. But this is how they 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:24.720 do it more exactly why we do joint ventures. You 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:26.920 come in, you came down. I'm not gonna make you 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:30.720 because you're not gonna be talking about me a year 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:35.440 from now if I don't your name, I'm talking. But 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.560 what I'm saying, no, no, But the point is valid. 0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:40.600 Though not get paid. People do not get paid. And 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:45.080 and just because you're in charge of of of my 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:48.840 career don't mean you take what you want and distributed 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:52.080 to me how you want. That's just that's just take 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:56.200 my money. That's just bad investlement. Investlement is bad veins. 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.680 That's the only way to do it, dope, Listen, what's 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:00.800 the only way to do it. That's not the only 0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:03.240 way to do it taking the money and giving them. 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.520 Motherfucker what they want to give him mocking and and 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:09.320 and that's I don't know, watch you'll do it? I 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:14.800 watch you Uh the chronic did nobody she was having 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:18.320 the ball off that motherfucking money. Dreydon wouldn't get none 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:20.640 of that money, didn't shoot that money for another ninety days. 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:23.479 And motherfucker's just like, damn, I can't get my money. 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:25.520 Everybody eating. But you gotta think about it like this 0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:28.240 to one thing that we are saying is that at 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.520 some point the motherfucker take a risk. He could want 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:34.080 to get his back because should be spend a million 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:36.440 dollars to keep sugars ass out of jail. And then 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:39.520 this starts snoops not snoops to keep snoop by the jail. 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.560 You gotta think about it this too. Don't body ever 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.400 thinks about to do the loose. Don't nobody ever talked 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:49.080 about that because she made that money back. No, let 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:51.320 listen to James, give me up, brother, give me out 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:56.080 now right. There is more than likely when you signed artists. 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:58.280 If you've got a record label and I got ten artists, 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:00.680 more than likely out of them ten of this, I'm 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.760 gonna have one of them that may do okay, right, 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.520 one of them that may do okay, one that may 1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:08.880 break even, and the rest of the motherfucker's may flop, 1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:10.880 and I can spend the same thing on all of them. 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:12.720 Let's just snake for the business. But that's what you 1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:17.440 having a label. You gotta say, uh, this contract over, 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:20.280 this contract over, I don't know that the way you 1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:22.400 want to go. You can go do this, But yet 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:25.280 they hold on to these people and then the budget 1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:29.720 that they give you to say maybe a month, I 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.120 mean like she'll playing the people renting all of this 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:34.440 other ship. But at the end of the day, you 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:37.400 own me. This ain't no, this ain't got nothing to 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:38.840 do with no love or you the home mee and 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.880 none of that the end of the day, like he did, 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:47.600 Um the majority of the guys that was there, like 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:50.520 he did, Danny Boyd. You know everything that you do 1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:54.480 for me, I gotta recoup you back with a great 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:56.640 thing about the day. Though. Man, it's like, really you 1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:01.880 don't like that traditional record business, that model back then 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:05.200 it's over because you ain't just right. They robbed people, 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:12.560 especially Nature. Yeah, because we owned the publish and I 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:14.120 ain't gonna say we because I didn't get none of 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:16.400 that money. The publishing company I was working for on 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:19.840 the Gap Band's publishing, right, this was the average deal 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:22.560 back in the seventies, owned up even to the two thousand's. 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:26.440 You get fifty cent off of each record. Right, they 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:28.680 give you a hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand dollar 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:30.560 budget to record right now, and I'm just breaking the 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:33.320 math down. You have a hundred thousand dollar budget to 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:36.800 record an album right out that hundred thousand dollars, just 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:38.360 say you come out with your first week and you 1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:41.520 wind up selling five half a million albums right with 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:46.000 six dollars retail wholesale Rational that's coming back right there, 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:48.880 that's one too, that's three million dollars. You'll be thinking, 1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:52.480 I'm good, I get that three new we charged you 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:54.760 back out that little fifty center record that you make. 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:58.560 We don't made money, you haven't recouped. Yeah, so you 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.720 get back out the fifty cent. That's the game. That 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.440 show didn't make that model up. Sugar is able to 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.360 get to the point he got to because he assimilated 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:08.280 the model. Had he not, they wouldn't let him get 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:10.760 to where he got to. Come ahead and break the game. 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:14.880 How we make our money. Should learned from the big boys. 1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:16.800 That's that's what I'm saying. This is what I'm trying 1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:19.040 to say to y'all right here at this table. Show 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:22.080 the brothers that starting their own labels, record labels and 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:25.440 ship like that. They have learned from the big and 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:31.919 now they're trickling down where a motherfucking rapper. Rapper ain't 1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:34.680 number the slave and the music business well pretty much. 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:36.880 That's why I really would it should be the ideas 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:44.480 of commodities, no more slave than the ones that's proven 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:47.760 the dollar dollars the same thing. Get out there and work, 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:51.720 Drake not slave, no more. He's proved this point. He's 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:55.680 making motherfucker. He proves his point. He has limited but 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:57.520 you can spend as much money as he wants to. 1:02:57.600 --> 1:02:59.280 He's paid. He's going on because I'm gonna tell you 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:01.120 what this It used to be. At least when you 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:03.280 had doing fun up deals. You could go on the 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:05.000 road and make you a hundred thousand dollars and show 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:09.080 and want nobody getting that's so fucked up because they're 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:11.280 getting a piece of your show money. Get a piece 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:13.200 of your merchandise money. You sell a T shirt and 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:15.320 I'll get half of that. It's like this. But my 1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:17.160 thing is this because I don't see my home like 1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:19.360 I'm gonna tell you like this, Like nobody closed the door. 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:20.960 That's why they came in. Like I'm gonna tell you 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:24.080 like this, man, I was around the t D dudes 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:26.560 when they first started, right, and I'm gonna tell you 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:29.000 that dude took care of his artists. I saw the 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:31.360 money he was spending. Right. We go to Vegas to 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:34.680 go to Little Wayne's video shoot. Everybody lining up to 1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:37.440 go to the burgers joint. You know, I'm a grown man. 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:39.760 I'm buying my own ship. Right by the time he 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:41.960 running out of the the tab three hundred dollars, that's 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:44.760 just one expense changing with the bill study rising, you 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:46.720 go to the club that night, Nick is walking around 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.200 with drinks in their hand and ship changing. He paying 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:51.800 for all that. So it comes to a point to where, Okay, now, 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:54.560 for the last six years and you've been fourteen, I 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:58.560 don't been paying your weight, I don't been feeding You've 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:00.680 been using my studio and stuff. So not by the 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:03.120 time you get up to finally get a deal, you 1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:05.560 might have spent three hundred thousand dollars on this motherfucker. 1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:07.160 And you come in there and the check come in, 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:09.520 you gotta do look at you like, yeah, I'm gonna 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:10.960 get this. No, you get this little bit, and I 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:13.000 gotta get mind back in order to keep the ship floor. 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:16.200 Because if you don't have some kind of recouping mechanism, 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:19.439 it ain't gonna be no label. It'll be all out 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:25.600 and nothing coming in. But the deal can because what 1:04:25.720 --> 1:04:27.720 they can do with these guys. I think you kill 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:29.800 all that man and you have a tear when the 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:31.960 dude first coming in. You get this. You know this. 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:34.320 You're paying your dudes. If you win, you get this. 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.120 I think every artist you get two dollars unrecoupable. There's 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:40.240 enough money there. You don't show a significant dollar of records. 1:04:40.280 --> 1:04:42.240 If you sell five from the thousand records, you get 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:45.040 two dollars off each record. You get paid. We get ours. 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:50.360 Everybody make money. So whenever I am talking to people 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:53.400 and they present an idea and idea sounds like it's 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:56.240 just got all the walls and floors and seals and 1:04:56.320 --> 1:05:00.000 everything in it. I see, okay, now that that obviously 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:02.600 is something that you thought about. You thought this, this 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.880 is a great ideas. Playing simple anybody can see this now, 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:09.560 think about it like this? What could be wrong with it? 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:11.280 That's what people don't do. They come up with these 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:15.480 great ideas, but they never ever entertain what could be wrong? 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:18.400 How could it not be a good idea, because that 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:21.240 will get you to a better idea. There are things 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:24.240 that are not considered in what you just said about 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:26.160 giving them the two dollars recoupal. But it sounds like 1:05:26.200 --> 1:05:30.320 a great thing. But there are things that none of 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:33.360 us are prized of that are part of that mechaniation, 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:36.200 especially in the old model. We're in the age of digital. Now. 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:39.520 Ain't nobody pressing no records. Nobody's paying for the materials 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:42.760 to press records, nobody's owning or operating the machines to press. 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:48.440 And there's no way I can't find a record executive 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:50.560 not working to publishing for ten years. I don't know 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:52.400 how that ship worked. Ihead. I was looking at the 1:05:52.400 --> 1:05:54.840 glass of statements the other day and I was like, man, 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:56.880 I don't like this ship. Is weird iss here? How 1:05:56.920 --> 1:06:01.040 do you pay somebody a fraction of a penny? You 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:04.840 feel what I'm saying points understanding understanding nature of money. 1:06:04.920 --> 1:06:10.440 It's all numbers only cent of the money that we 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:15.880 spend exists. It's all just so, yeah, you can take 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:19.040 you can take a fraction of a number, sure, actually, 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:20.640 and then you know what the thing is. I'm gonna 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:27.040 tell you. Then the music industry is making more money 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:31.200 now than they overhead, mean physical you don't have the 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:33.480 pressional CDs up no more. When I was in the 1:06:33.600 --> 1:06:36.960 music industry, you was gonna spend two fifty and then 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:39.080 you know, to get the nice thing with the nice forward, 1:06:39.160 --> 1:06:41.240 all this stuff. Like that man with the jel case, 1:06:41.640 --> 1:06:43.520 he was gonna spend two fifties. So by the time 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:46.080 you went to market with that motherfucker's, you were selling 1:06:46.080 --> 1:06:48.880 it for ten dollars to try to make back your costs. Right, 1:06:48.880 --> 1:06:50.680 there was a lot of stuff with it. And I'm 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.440 gonna tell you what was what was sucked up back 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:55.520 then is you were here about it all the time. 1:06:56.600 --> 1:06:59.320 James is my artist, Right, he comes out, he's popping. 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:03.200 I pressed up twenty five thousand units he don't know about, 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:07.800 and ship the motherfucker's to Japan another twenty five because 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:10.880 I'm no one looking out for you. That was that 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:13.200 was my business for the longest time. I had guys 1:07:13.240 --> 1:07:14.880 that would come to me and said, and I handled 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:18.040 all the paperwork and everything, all the you know ship 1:07:18.120 --> 1:07:20.360 to go over there, man, and had a nice ass 1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:23.240 check from It was all cash on delivering. You know, 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:25.880 you send the motherfucking ten thousand CDs over in Europe 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:27.960 and expect he gonna pay you back. Good luck, Good 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:30.560 luck with that motherfucker over Africa. Something we fucked still, 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:32.200 I ain't sending him ship. What are you gonna do? 1:07:32.280 --> 1:07:35.000 Come over and get it, you feel what I'm saying. 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:38.320 So it was like that back then. It was fucked up. 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:40.680 But the good thing about that I was kind of 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:42.320 the safe because I was doing that with the artists. 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:43.560 I was like, man, you know, the nig is not 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:45.120 gonna pay you no way, you might as well. Let's 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:47.520 let's get that early and get that off. And you 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:51.400 know what I'm saying, That's that's real ship about that 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:54.880 overseas thing going on and people not knowing about it. 1:07:55.320 --> 1:07:59.360 All right, So this, uh, this person of this family, 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:02.920 this family that you know I had love and respect for, 1:08:03.000 --> 1:08:05.680 you know what I mean? Um, all but one has 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:08.320 passed now, but they were at the inception of the 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:12.080 record businesses is related to hip hop sugar Hill records. Right, 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:18.040 So one of the things Sylvia, Right, So how do 1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:22.840 you don't even wanted to share the name? I said, 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:26.040 sugar Hill. I mean you know people who know, No, 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:31.200 people don't don't, right, But um so what what she 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:35.000 what she was doing was essentially you know, the blueprint 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:37.360 that she got from. You know, if people don't know 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:42.840 this business was started by the mom you know what 1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:46.000 I'm saying. So it's it's always been crooked, just like 1:08:46.160 --> 1:08:48.360 the film, Just like the film industry. What do you 1:08:48.400 --> 1:08:50.080 think these people are getting the money from the start 1:08:50.120 --> 1:08:52.920 students and build students. These people they didn't have money. 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:56.599 They got the money from gangsters the music industry. That's 1:08:56.640 --> 1:08:58.360 what I said. And that's the whole premise of this show. 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:01.040 By the way, everything is rooted in game, from the 1:09:01.080 --> 1:09:07.400 American government to every everything is corrupt, right right, that's 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:11.639 I mean this, This is a corrupt nation. The planet 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:14.360 is corrupt. It's all corporate at ocracies, all of it. 1:09:14.400 --> 1:09:17.120 There are no countries, it's just corporations, you know what 1:09:17.120 --> 1:09:18.920 I mean. But they tell people, they tell them now 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:24.280 in terms of that old that old model. Um, when 1:09:24.760 --> 1:09:29.439 when they were putting people's records out and all that whatever. 1:09:30.960 --> 1:09:33.920 They didn't They didn't tell them about how much, how 1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:38.559 many records are being sold and all that whatever here here. 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:45.160 They didn't tell them anything about publishing here. Bro they 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:50.840 were killing them overseas with what random people's they had. 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:54.000 My man Zeno ben Zino, he's the source, was my 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:57.800 partner from Hip Weekly, right they had he found that 1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:00.080 they had his publish and they had so many They 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:04.720 were going around and and and signing up to get 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:08.240 to receive people's overseas publishing because they had no idea 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:11.400 about it. They were only watching if that over here, 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:14.640 but they were getting checks. We gotta go, right, we 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:16.559 gotta go right now. Like I said, I worked. That's 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:19.080 the end of the industry. I worked on publishing. Before 1:10:19.120 --> 1:10:21.240 we leave. I'm gonna tell everybody about one thing that 1:10:21.400 --> 1:10:25.160 was real gamester. A lot of people don't register. They 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.920 published in different countries, right, so you have different people 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:30.880 that kind of handle the publishing, different agencies. Right. If 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:32.479 you don't know no better than if I want to 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:35.080 be scandless and you're a brand new artist, right, I 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.519 can go over there and rigs to Yo Publishing and 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:41.040 Russia somewhere, right, and I'm collecting on all this publishing. 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:44.280 By the time you go get it back, I could 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:46.240 collect the million dollars and they can't do a damn 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:52.240 thing about it. Yeah that's what this Oh yeah, yeah 1:10:53.479 --> 1:10:58.960 got me. That's only a resort resort that we would 1:10:59.080 --> 1:11:02.000 result to us because we've got that in our toolkit 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:06.519 from our experience we got down. Unfortunately, we ran out 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:09.080 of time right now, But I wanted to give a quote. 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:12.560 I really got hooked on this book last week. This 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:16.960 was written by Cavarios. Uh fifty critical quotes, and I'll 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:18.760 pick the selection. I'm gonna be reading one of these 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:22.639 for y'all to ponder own and the audience. Man. Every week, man, 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.600 every experience we survive as a gift wrapped in a 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:32.120 forgettable package development. No one wants to experience hardship, but 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:35.519 it's a necessary aspect of existence, for without it, we 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:38.840 cannot learn our strengths or weaknesses. If we don't contend 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:41.560 with something at some point, we don't develop the resilience 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:44.680 that a great life requires, all the while yearning for 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:48.360 a great life of wondering why that eludes us. Embrace challenges, 1:11:48.439 --> 1:11:51.760 see setbacks, and sharpen your blade on bullshit. Once you 1:11:51.920 --> 1:11:54.679 survive something you were sure would kill you. You begin 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:57.360 to appreciate the truth value of life, and we're gonna 1:11:57.400 --> 1:11:59.519 leave you like this. I suggest you gogle get that 1:11:59.600 --> 1:12:04.040 fifty critical quotes. That was it. Man, I'm still I'm 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:06.799 definitely writing out of that book. I'm I'm I'm dritting 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:09.679 my ship down, every every thought I have, every time 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:14.679 I go to one, and and it makes me think, like, damn, 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:16.639 if I had throw like this a long time ago, 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:21.320 I wouldn't be I wouldn't have been that person a 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:25.559 long time ago. But then I think, if what if 1:12:25.600 --> 1:12:27.840 I wouldn't that person along time ago, would I be 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:32.400 here today? But but I was? I was that person, right, 1:12:33.360 --> 1:12:38.960 So it being exposed to this the information that led 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:45.240 to me creating those quotes didn't It didn't interfere with 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:49.080 the person I was. It infused the person that I was. 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:55.120 Anybody that knows me knows that I I stopped that nothing. 1:12:56.640 --> 1:13:01.000 If if everybody had this book, we get along better. Yes, 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:03.400 I'm gonna bring my book that you gave me, and 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:05.840 I'm gonna show you everything I've written in it. And 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:11.400 I think it meant it might be a different term. No, 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:14.560 But the thing is that's it's it's open to interpretation. 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:18.880 The quotes themselves were created from a very young, young 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:23.160 young person, you know, is mine trying to wrap myself 1:13:23.240 --> 1:13:26.080 around the concepts that were being shared with me by 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:29.920 my predecessors, these gangsters, you know. So I'm trying to 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:32.519 understand what it is they want me to understand, and 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:34.720 I'm interpretating it in the best way I can for 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:36.960 my own and not my own purpose is my own use. 1:13:37.520 --> 1:13:41.080 So I may not have gotten exactly what it was 1:13:41.160 --> 1:13:43.160 they wanted me to understand, but what I got from 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:46.960 it was something that I was able to use. So, however, 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:50.639 it is the whole thing is about sparking a more 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:53.360 critical process. Like I said earlier, you had a great 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:56.800 thought about what could work two dollars off each one unrecoupable. 1:13:57.200 --> 1:13:59.320 But you have to expound on that and see if 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:01.559 there are any holes in it before you accepted as 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:06.840 a viable you know, idea and too damn sharp, too 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:12.920 smart against the chronicles. Man, Man, we gotta xucate, I 1:14:13.160 --> 1:14:17.759 educate man, my tutor. The thing is man, The nature 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:19.479 of a thing is the nature of a thing. It 1:14:19.560 --> 1:14:21.920 doesn't change by virtue of his view. So although I'm 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:24.880 able to articulate myself the way I am now. I 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:31.600 was as dark and destructive as they come. M M, 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:36.840 you know I got honestly said that. So in a 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:40.440 sense we are work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm James McDonald, 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:44.600 I'm Cavario h and I'm still Man And that's the 1:14:44.640 --> 1:14:48.080 Gangster Chronicles piece. Oh and make sure, um, we'll be 1:14:48.160 --> 1:14:51.840 making a big announcement Man on our platform. Um, the 1:14:52.320 --> 1:14:55.040 episodes on YouTube are going to be start really being 1:14:55.200 --> 1:14:58.040 limited to the first five minutes of them. Um, we're 1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:01.120 starting our own platform because, as you see, the government 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:04.400 has been getting down on these different platforms for the 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:06.960 things they've been doing and everything, because I don't know 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.080 how you go from half of me. Um, you know, 1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:11.840 there's a lot of stuff going on. Just stay tuned, alright. 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:12.200 Peace