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Speaker 1: Welcome every one to another episode against the Chronicles. I'm

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Speaker 1: with my homeboy James McDonald and we got a special

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Speaker 1: another dude to here, man spent another addition to the crew.

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Speaker 1: Man to my boy, you know, I'll be leaving pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: I know your motherfucker's getting sick of seeing me, So

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Speaker 1: I'll be going back to my executive producer posts. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'll be piecing y'all. My boy, Reggie right will be

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Speaker 1: coming home very shortly. What's up, Cafario, what's happening. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad to be here a monkst men man, So tell me, man,

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Speaker 1: what is it that you're gonna bring to the show man.

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Speaker 1: It's a little different man, mm hmm. Insight like, insight

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Speaker 1: like the life that we've lived, the life that a

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Speaker 1: lot of young brothers and sisters are living today. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you can survive it, then you gain a great

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Speaker 1: deal of practical wisdom. Insight, right, So that's what I

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Speaker 1: intend to bring because I put a lot into really

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Speaker 1: analyzing my past and about the things that I've done

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Speaker 1: and why I did them, and I learned a lot

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Speaker 1: about that. So that's what I offer inside. Oh for sure, man,

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Speaker 1: I just can't wait to see because it's a powerful trio. Man.

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Speaker 1: When um, James and Reggie is together. Man, and now

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Speaker 1: you man, I think it's gonna be something awesome. Man.

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Speaker 1: I can kind of sit back there, man and pupp

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Speaker 1: it Matt do my thing yet, because that's really what

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Speaker 1: I you know, that's what I do. I didn't start

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Speaker 1: this show for me. It's always been about this brother, Reggie,

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Speaker 1: and now you you know what I'm saying that it

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Speaker 1: was on your mind and just you know, me sitting

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Speaker 1: back kind of molding it so one thing I want

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Speaker 1: to do today. Man. It was a big thing on

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club the day with my homeboy Charlotte Mane

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Speaker 1: Um that Mac teen offered Snoop Dogg a million dollars

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Speaker 1: back in the day. And you know what, I remember

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Speaker 1: what was crazy about that. At that time Mac team

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Speaker 1: was about four years old, and I don't think he

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Speaker 1: ever gets really truly the credit that he deserves as

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Speaker 1: an executive, you know, because a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: know those West Side Connection albums, those was Mac putting

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Speaker 1: them out. Cube didn't want to do those projects, so

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Speaker 1: that was Mac taking upon himself with his money and

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Speaker 1: you know, resources and putting those together and they both

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Speaker 1: of them win double platinum. You know. So he was

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Speaker 1: always a good executive, you know that. Yeah, one of

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Speaker 1: the one of the few. So low key though, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's low key a few words. Mac Own is one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest touring agencies in the country. Got a

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Speaker 1: ton of real estate investments. Brother okay, sar brother. Man,

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Speaker 1: he needs he needs to be well. I'd say he

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Speaker 1: needs to be a little more vocal, But I don't

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Speaker 1: know the degree to which he already is vocal. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It might he might be. I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard any of those things. Yeah, sometimes when you're

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Speaker 1: sitting in the millions, man, you don't want anybody to

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Speaker 1: know your business. You know, I'm not talking about telling life,

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Speaker 1: teaching them what teaching them? Life had to wrap? What

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Speaker 1: do you do have to wrap? A lot of these

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Speaker 1: guys start their own businesses and making sure other people

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Speaker 1: get out there show You know me, I'm clueless on it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know he was doing anything. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was happily married, living large. He doing this team. You

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Speaker 1: know he's doing it. You know he was my hero

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Speaker 1: alone for being married to t Bons, for lock of

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Speaker 1: two Bons down you know. So you know, you know

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Speaker 1: Mac didson, you know, as you say, every time I

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Speaker 1: touched him. You know, still I do players ship. That's

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Speaker 1: how Mac talk perhip years. I haven't see Max and

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Speaker 1: Don Diva days. Actually, I'm gonna call my homeboy right now. Man.

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Speaker 1: That man, maybe they're Wayne in there. Yeah, that's why

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Speaker 1: he was with cash Money. That's where he met Mac.

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Speaker 1: What's happening, man, what's up with you? Oh? Man? Shoot? Man?

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Speaker 1: We appear man, just talking about your ball and magnificent ways. Man.

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Speaker 1: I was telling Homie Cavar you and James. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: Mac is got one of the biggest touring agencies in

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Speaker 1: the country. Man, he's um a real estate mogo. Man

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Speaker 1: that has just done very fine man. And you know

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Speaker 1: they was like for real. I was like, yeah, Mac,

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Speaker 1: and I interuptate your voice. I said, that's what MACI

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Speaker 1: tell you, Man, I do players shop all day? HOI

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Speaker 1: payership players should all do so you know, you know

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Speaker 1: I don't follow rappers and do nothing of that, but

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Speaker 1: uh such as you ump right right and and your

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Speaker 1: how did you do ice Cube and dove C being

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Speaker 1: just stayed me, James. It was about the bag with me, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm from Eklewood, you know what I'm saying, and that

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Speaker 1: When you get a monst real ones, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, you're a real one. And when you get

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Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I never gave them no

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Speaker 1: about me being one for body respected everybody who who who?

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Speaker 1: You know, we respected each other, you know, I think,

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Speaker 1: problem isn't when a line of respect is crossed, you know.

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Speaker 1: So so so if everything stayed respectful, it don't matter

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Speaker 1: right right, get your money, you're about you, you know

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Speaker 1: And that's what I tell people. I say, Man, you know,

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Speaker 1: I knew a whole lot of rappers, as you know, Mac,

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Speaker 1: lot of people haven't managed their finances the greatest. You know,

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Speaker 1: You've done some incredible things, man, like very very impressive things.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very glad, you know. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 1: And I'm really glad. And it's privileged, you know, to

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Speaker 1: if it's some ship that's gonna interfere with that when

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Speaker 1: I don't try to step on nobody toast, don't nobody.

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Speaker 1: We don't want nobody to step on mine, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I'll never bite into that bullshit click bait and

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Speaker 1: Like that's why I stay away from a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of this ship sometimes to suckers ship, man,

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Speaker 1: because it's just it's just you know, it's not really ethico.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, so I just try

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Speaker 1: because we've never been about that on this show, you know,

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Speaker 1: all the stuff, because it's it's clown ship at the

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Speaker 1: I don't look good with a red nose on. So

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Speaker 1: I just do me, You do me and stuff. You know. Um,

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Speaker 1: I know one thing about it. Man. It's like you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody always talking about Jay. I married Beyonce, I said, Man,

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Speaker 1: Mac was my hero. When I heard he was marrying

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Speaker 1: home girl. Man, I said, oh my god, man, this

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Speaker 1: dude nigga, I said, Inglewood nigga, A real gangster, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I said, here on made tea

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Speaker 1: bars man, I said, Man, this dude. And every time

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Speaker 1: I saw Max a distance, he was always the one

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Speaker 1: like he was the first Rods words I saw in person,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the first thing. And

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Speaker 1: and winning khaki suits at that. Yeah, I remember saying that.

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Speaker 1: I'm remember said him in the lincol low Rider nag. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Cavarrio said he saw you in a little run.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what uh, what up? What up? What up?

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Speaker 1: Though Mac's having a brother. I'm good, my brother. It's

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Speaker 1: been a long while, bro, I haven't seen you, says

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Speaker 1: um My Don Diva days since I was doing My

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Speaker 1: Don Diva magazine. Yeah. Man, yeah, but it was always

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, yo, does he get out there? Like

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about in terms of the education that he

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Speaker 1: who he was to who he is. Because that information

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Speaker 1: is it can't even be measured how valuable that information is,

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Speaker 1: because that's the information that transforms brothers like us who

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, like you said, you don't manage yourselves.

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Speaker 1: Well well you know the way I look at that's type. Man.

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad Man can business with me so I

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Speaker 1: can get to the bag man, you know, and get

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Speaker 1: us right, you know what I'm saying, and let the

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Speaker 1: mother dude figure it out. Oh no you paid, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is it. You pay for it. You pay for

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Speaker 1: that information, you know what I mean. Like it's it's school.

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Speaker 1: But people only respect what they pay for, right right,

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Speaker 1: you know. But you know Mac is a sharp brother man,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad I got the friendship with him, you know.

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Speaker 1: On all serious that I do. Man, good brother man,

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Speaker 1: and he stay out the way the mess. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's always a positive interaction with him. Man.

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Speaker 1: And we didn't go hold you up for no long time, Matt.

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Speaker 1: We just want to touch in with you. Man. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it because we you know, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: too much because we got something that's more in death coming. Man.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate you on boy, it's all good man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you all much love and respect, much love

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Speaker 1: that kid. That kid's voice was phenomenal. Yeah, he had

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Speaker 1: be missing with some dudes. Drink some tea and I say, man, fly,

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Speaker 1: I'm just in the woods and just wake up and

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00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: you just see this clear ass ocean. Just man, that

421
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,719
Speaker 1: would be it for me. Bro what was it? But

422
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: I had to come home. I had a grandkid I

423
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 1: had to get back to. You don't have to take

424
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: care of you know, saying so, I don't like rehashing

425
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: these old moments, man, But talking to Mac, y'all were

426
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: smashing so hard back then with death. Roman Boy wasn't

427
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: there for a time. Man. Did you ever have any

428
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: communication with Sugar about that? Y'all was kind of doing

429
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: too much, because I know you talked about this sometimes

430
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: that you since the stuff was kind of going too

431
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: far at the again, at the beginning, like I said,

432
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: I was fresh out of prison, you know before. I mean,

433
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: our bullshit started in eight eight when I got out

434
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: of prison. Um, the ship that we was involved in

435
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: and and you know, studios and all this other ship

436
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: and and just being us. You know, we would walk

437
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: into some ship, you know what I'm saying, and you know,

438
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: going into ruthless records, you know, walking up in their

439
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: motherucking demanding contracts and ship like that. Um, yeah, it

440
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: was some ship. Man. We gotta slow down. So he

441
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: was there for all legs. He was right there, up

442
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: close and personal for all of them, gathering up the

443
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: contracts and everything. I was in there. I was, Yeah,

444
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: I was in there. I ain't gonna see what I did,

445
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: but I was. I was. I was that dude like

446
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: to the security with with just a little videos, you

447
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And who was there with the

448
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: twins in there at the time, like the big Olds

449
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: more dudes, No, no, this is this is a black brother.

450
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: He was about maybe six six, big brother and he

451
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: was standing at the door of Jelly Jerry's uh office.

452
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: Because you're going ruthless, go to the right, straight on

453
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: down the Heart's Jerry ship easy was there. So just

454
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: just knowing what we're going for. Okay, everything in there

455
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: is gonna be sitting down and we can't let him move.

456
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: So when we walked in and she'll got a pacific

457
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: point he was going to and that's to Jerry his office.

458
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: So going in there, everything else I gotta make stop.

459
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: And everything stopped going the hand of your business closed, dough,

460
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: y'all do y'all thing. You know what I'm saying, Everything

461
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 1: that belong to them, you're gonna stay outside of this.

462
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: Though it would have been across to come, I would

463
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: have locked the door. I knew these motherfucker's was coming out.

464
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: He didn't expect it. Um a lot of ship that

465
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: that it was just walk in and I assume and

466
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: she walked out of the would check to unexpected just

467
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: you old us for this and Dre got the contracts

468
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: and Dre Michel came with us when they told you

469
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: it was this much money, Well he already knew that

470
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: that because Easy Easy Officer was at his house and

471
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: the contracts that Easy have. Chill didn't get that. So

472
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: that's when Easy made the song. You know, Dreda still

473
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: is his payday, so he was still getting his money.

474
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: He wouldn't he went no food, just like with straight

475
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: out of Counting that movie. The way they did that ship,

476
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: it was totally a fucking lie, you know what I'm saying.

477
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: It totally a fucking lie. Easy didn't come to the

478
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: office and get his ask. Well, Nicks jumped on him

479
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: and then he walked away and then said, hell no,

480
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't real. Dre wasn't punching on no mother. Dray

481
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: would have got his ass wood And I'm telling that,

482
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: I hope you hear me, motherfucker, if you would have

483
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: touched one of the homies, everybody that I hired and

484
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: that my brother brought there, all the homies was bigger

485
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: than me. They was six three six four and the

486
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker's had yokes. So if Drey would have hit any

487
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 1: one of them penitentiary as niggers, he didn't even got raped,

488
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: but you probably wouldn't mind y'all gonna cut that, but

489
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: he'd have got raped, and he just seriously got his

490
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: ass what So, Yeah, all that ship was bullshit, you

491
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The way they made them look

492
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: and the way they made us look was a fucking joke,

493
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: a fucking jokes. Why did Why do you think they

494
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: did that? Why they wore the downland? I did the

495
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: same thing with Peyton for if. And you get to

496
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: see anybody that be one with their character and how

497
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: they how they conduct business. Everybody got to put water

498
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: in and you know what I'm saying, I can't go

499
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: in him be one huntred with it because everybody know

500
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: who I am. Now, you know what I'm saying. So

501
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: they gotta lie. They gotta fabricate a whole bunch of ship,

502
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: which in that movie they did that that was come on, man,

503
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: Dre did never raise his voice and Snoop, we're good.

504
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: But Snoop didn't walk in death roll. What'side a car?

505
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: What's no, no, no, no, nothing like that, not carrying

506
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: o blue agg in his back pocket on some banging ship.

507
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: So it was just like that. So it's crazy though.

508
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: He went in because that's gangster. He went there, took

509
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: the contracts man, because I know if that would have

510
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: been me out of any check they wanted. As soon

511
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: as you all the left would have been calling the

512
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: bank check number one five five free three you all

513
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: came back to MPs office. It was the mussel was

514
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: the muscle was laid down before even came death row.

515
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: Uh taking ship from vanill Ice and ship like that,

516
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: the alleged said, I did. But I remember Chocolate, who

517
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: I called him, is the one that said he wrote

518
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: the song Ice Ice Baby, YadA YadA. She'll just took

519
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: that what to him. Had had a piece of paper

520
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: written up, thinking you old us for this, and she

521
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: and Chocolate got paid for him and they did. Chip yeah,

522
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: because do you think Cholo wrote that song. I think

523
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: Chocolate knows something about it. I ain't gonna talk about

524
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: about my dog, but it's getting some money on. Everybody

525
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: got paid. You gotta scare motherfucking mind as we'll get

526
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: what you get. So that's what happened. A story. The

527
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: motherfucker's and all of that other ship was the game

528
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: and that business you know before She'll given became a

529
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: a death row fern Hill Records. We was doing button

530
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: wise is super Fest. We were security guards, you know.

531
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: And and from that Chill, Chill is a smart motherfucker.

532
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: He took everything that was around him, and then he

533
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: had one person putting business in his head, which was

534
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: Big West. Big West told should everything you needed to know,

535
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: so now she'll take that, and had his own blueprint.

536
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: Sill blueprint was to bring the muscle in here and

537
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: to make every everything that he probably was or thought

538
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: might giving him a problem. They got attacked. So you

539
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: get rid of the hardcore motherfucker's and everybody see you

540
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: get rid of them. Everybody else just started landing face

541
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: down and was like this, please don't hurt me. And

542
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: from that point she got everything and whatever he wanted

543
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: because everybody was afraid of it. Wow, man, that that's

544
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: that's like, it's crazy. Now that's some real ship. That's

545
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: some real gage of ship. You know. Me and she'll

546
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: have about issues, but that was it was. It was

547
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: clever it was clever and and just to see the

548
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: people that was afraid of him, especially at the concert.

549
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: And then you looking and motherfucker's get the funk out

550
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: of the way. Here comes Sugar and his crew, and

551
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, Sugar got this thing and you knock the

552
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: motherfucker out to that You're gonna get a bonus for

553
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: doing what they did. Bet everybody out of the penitentiary. Mother,

554
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: everybody would like to fight. Everybody had hands and you

555
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: knock the motherfucker out in the fight. It was on

556
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: the cracking, you know what I'm saying. We had to

557
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: fight with the Rams football team to hold about nine

558
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: of them, and then with some big motherfucker's their ears

559
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: was not going the traps and ship. I was like,

560
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: what the funk, how are we gonna do this one?

561
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: And we just took off. We just gotta have heard now.

562
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: We were standing on courts just bank like you gotta

563
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: have hard like as big as you want to be. Man,

564
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: I hit one the motherfucker's in his motherfucker's shaw his

565
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: if he just my little home boy, Mike said, was

566
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: like thing like men. We had the ball that night

567
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: and one of the twins were still beating the ship

568
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: out of one of them in the middle of the street.

569
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: When the police pulled up, right ship, they took him

570
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: to jail. He beat us back to death. Bro. They

571
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: kind of got him out this like that. He was

572
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: out interesting and talking about it, laughing about it. It

573
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: was just some fun ship. But it just got out

574
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: of here to check this out. Interesting conversation or interesting

575
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: story ethic. Um, we're in Miami. When I say we,

576
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean me meet and all the rest of the

577
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: Flame and the family. Right, so my Miami is a

578
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,600
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598
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: Miach had rented Jackie Gleason's house. Remember Jackie Gleason from there,

599
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, honeymoonist. So he had he had this real

600
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: futuristic house, like even in two thousand and five. It

601
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: was a futuristic house, right, So we and there were

602
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: kicking whatever whatever. You know. Micha had all the whips

603
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: brought down on car carriers. And the Bentley was a

604
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: brand new car like the Bentley GTS a brand new car.

605
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: The Fathom was brand new car. You know. It was

606
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of you know, a couple of lanmdbows. What

607
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: have just you know, all parked out front. So Suld

608
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: comes right and um, he comes to see him, come

609
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: to see us and whatever. So we're sitting down at

610
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: the table on the upper levels around the dentistable huge

611
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: dinner table, and he, you know, we're talking and he's like,

612
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: you know what, man, Um, I'm really like, I regret

613
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: all that ship. Man, I really regret This is from

614
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: his mouth out yes to our ears. And I'm sitting

615
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: there as closest to him as I under you right now,

616
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: I really regret that ship. That ship cost a lot,

617
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, he said, I really regret that. Now. I'm

618
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: not oning that ship no more. I'm done with that

619
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: ship for real, for it. It was just too it

620
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: was too costly. This is out of his mouth. Time.

621
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: Remember he got nine years for a kick, not even

622
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: an effective kick. It was just a kick. It was

623
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: just said, I'm here nine years. So he was on

624
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: paper still at the time. Yeah, you know, so it'll

625
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: get a nine year violation, right that don't that don't

626
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: make no sense. But of course he was a target.

627
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Please could go all the way back when she was

628
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: in v playing ball. She'll had assaults in boxes just

629
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: goddamn high Uh, just getting in trouble, and getting in

630
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: trouble when you're seeing his judge and you're not listening.

631
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: They want to make an example out of you. Show

632
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: they was trying to make an example out of him.

633
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: But every time he came home, he came back home

634
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: to the same ship. And that's motherfucker's ready to get

635
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: back into the ground. That's the motherfucker just ready to

636
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: start punching on motherfucker's and getting that money. So he

637
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: came right back in this situation, you know what I'm saying.

638
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: So he didn't have a choice. So with the Orlando

639
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: ship here you is, he didn't know how to separate

640
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: the two. I'm gonna CEO and the gangster part. You

641
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: got fifteen niggas there, Let them handle the gangster ship,

642
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and you ship back. You snatched TUPI and you sit down.

643
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: And I said this all the time. Sit this motherfucker

644
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: right here by you, or y'all start walking out that guy.

645
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: Damn Casino. These guys already know what to do. And

646
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: I think that young dude that they whipped his ass

647
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: would have would have accepted it better because he going

648
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: against his rivals from Compton. And now we can take

649
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: this ship back to the soil, back to the hood.

650
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: Not no for beating my ass or jumping on me

651
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: and didn't hit him. These niggers disrespecting me with their

652
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: feet because you know, you kick him, man, and that's

653
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: the lot ship you can do. And and then you

654
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: let him up. That's where the mistakes cut him up.

655
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: You feel me, So chick should have stepped away from

656
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: that ship. And I used to tell him. I used

657
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: to tell fuck the magazines, fun chacking pictures. We do

658
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: too much to be on on film. Yeah, sounding my

659
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: conversations with me and he pretty much because Meek's pretty

660
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: much told himself he pretty much wanted to do what

661
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. Mitsya had Um. I went to

662
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: Atlanta Meetsya had billboards up in there, up in the

663
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: a like when you came in there. This dude was

664
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: just flaunting his wealth. You know what I mean. Just

665
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm a deep boy. I'm the biggest deep way it is.

666
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: And you can't do a damn thing when you get

667
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: caught up. And he was bothering. He was caught up, Yeah,

668
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: he was. He was called up. Once you once you

669
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: once you make yourself a figure, the police is looking

670
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: at you. They want to see and they're gonna going depth.

671
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: How you getting down like that black man without a job?

672
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: How is you getting in like that show? It comes

673
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: beneficial for them because you know, if they fun with him,

674
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna get some paper out of the deal some

675
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: kind of way. You know, they're saying that people will

676
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: still finding cars down if you bring the luxury vihicle

677
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: on Atlanta. They see people will still finding by accident.

678
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: You know, the kid here the button back of let

679
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: the air conditioning thing up and a trapdoor fall up,

680
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars fall out, you know what I mean,

681
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: just stuff like that. Nobody took that hundred thousand dollars

682
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: in the house. You know, it's yours. Motherfucker's is crazy

683
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: and you gotta put it in the lost and founds

684
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: for thirty age and then if done, nobody claiming the

685
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: jail about your mind. But you know why somebody got

686
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: to even know I don't understand that. I mean understand,

687
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, being a moral person and I understand those

688
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: things now, I mean we had that people get screwed

689
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: up like this. If this people get that screwed up.

690
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: People do think that gangsters don't have morals like normal people.

691
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: Don't think that gangsters have morals. They said, they figured

692
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: morals are what they define as moral. So what they

693
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: define as morals is, you know, someone who won't harmon

694
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: of the person you know, or you know, do some

695
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: do some you know, something drastic to another person. That's

696
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: what they believe to be moral. But what the truth

697
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: of it is that all situations in society have their morals.

698
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: There are things that people do in corporate America that

699
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: we in the street would never do. Oh for sure. Man,

700
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: you think just the American government alone. You think about

701
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: the president, right, he goes he's looking for Osama being lutton, right,

702
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: and he go, we gotta kill his motherfucker. Right. He

703
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: knows when they do the when they do the surveillance

704
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: on this stuff, and when they do the intelligence he's

705
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: in there. It's about thirty kids in the villages, you know,

706
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: fifty elderly people. Whatever. Gotta go, gotta go, that's the mentality.

707
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: So they dropped the bomb knowing that in order to

708
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: get this one target, they go kill an innocent people

709
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: that don't have ship to do with the situation. You know,

710
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: those aren't people, Those are collateral damage. But I can't

711
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: make it right or justify murder. And you've got people

712
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: shooting on the depth road for murder or in prisons

713
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: for murder, and they is all right for them commit murder.

714
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: Man the hypocrisy, that's the hypocris bush they are, they are.

715
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: We understand this. We understand that the banking system is gangsterism.

716
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: If you understand what what the tenants of banking are,

717
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: do you understand that that's the same thing as the

718
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: tenants and gangsterism? Government, same thing, same thing. We take

719
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: what we can enforce. You dig like we do what

720
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: we can enforce. So you know, I mean it. You

721
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: can't say that if you're not bullying, we can't bully

722
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: other gangsters. That's our space. So I mean no, you can't.

723
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: Mother can't bully me. You got you got brothers out

724
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: there with this mentality. Okay, he's the hardest motherfucker. They're

725
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: saying his house. So I gotta prove to you you're

726
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: not the hardest. Okay, okay, So are you're not knowing

727
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: my approach, You're gonna have a problem because either I

728
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: just woke up and shoot you, or I see where

729
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: he's going. Did she has his hands is did she? However,

730
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: he get down. Let's see how you get down before

731
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: we really go one thirty. That's why you have to

732
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: make every demonstration thorough, thorough for those who who might

733
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: be watching you. You hold sye like normal said earlier,

734
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: or mac has said earlier, like gangsters don't want no problems. Man.

735
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: You're trying to get to the money, trying to get

736
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: to the bread. Now, anything in between us and that

737
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: and the circumstances around getting to that will incorporate whatever

738
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: means unnecessary. So in the instance of death Row, that

739
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: meant putting weight on cats. But in some instances in

740
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: the gangster space, it doesn't mean putting weight on cats.

741
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: It means out thinking them, out maneuvering them, out doing them.

742
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. On the playing field right,

743
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: So when when when you know somebody comes at you

744
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: and you don't know them, and they're trying to test

745
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: your steal or whatever ever, If a if a man

746
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: don't walk up to me, if he has any malicious intent,

747
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: if he walks up to me or or or being

748
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: like me, he's going to have to get it done

749
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: right then and there, or leave it completely alone because

750
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: he's he's he's giving his life up. Now, if you

751
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: get that's not bullying. If if you, if you, if

752
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: you knock the cat off right then and there, it's

753
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: not bullying. That's that's not bulliant. But bullying is when

754
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: you're constantly putting that pressure on that individual. You can't

755
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: do that to know gangster. Once you make it known

756
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: to him that you don't intend to allow him to

757
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: exist harmoniously, then it's on. It's not no bullying. Every

758
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: time you see me we face fighting and you you

759
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: you boxing me out and all that, that's bullying. You

760
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: ain't no gangs if you're getting bullied. And the reason

761
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: why I say that is because the tactics that that

762
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: she'll have used with certain individuals in the music business

763
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: we're tested were Uh, if you don't do this, I'm

764
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: saying such and such. If you don't do this this way,

765
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: then we got a problem. If we got a problem,

766
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: you can't be here. Here are here facts. So if

767
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: a motherucker don't go here here and here already accept

768
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: that he allowing him to bully him, that he could

769
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: stop calling something. But then you have that man that says, okay,

770
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. I don't want to mention

771
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: no Masterpee names or no Luke's you know that wasn't

772
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: afraid of, you know, the Boogeyman or the big bad shoes.

773
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to say their names. So you know,

774
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: don't think I said Luke or or a man name

775
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: in this No doubt, no doubt came doubt, no doubt.

776
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: We never say though when you run up across somebody

777
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: that wasn't. Yeah, but then now you got the nature

778
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: step the game up and then but you can't step

779
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: the game up in another motherfucker's house. You ain't gonna

780
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: be They're gonna win at somebody else house when they

781
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: got because they're on the square. On the square, you

782
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: can't beat the man on the square a hundred pounds heavier,

783
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: four ft taller. If a man is on his square,

784
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: he is most powerful on his square. You can't be

785
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: out done on his square. See the way you beat

786
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: somebody who has a greater you know, maybe have a

787
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: greater position, they have a greater degree of power or

788
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: a greater degree of resources, is you get them to

789
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: be so confident that you get them to come off

790
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: the square. Because once they come off, they square. All

791
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: things are equal. But one thing I got Roy Jones

792
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: not to cook all off, man, I got I guess

793
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: I'll be doing that read tonight. You know one thing

794
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to say about that though, man, and this

795
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: is really the old thing of it. Man, we can

796
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: sit up here and glorified you know, all that stuff

797
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: that has classification. Yeah, but you know, I think James

798
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: made a valid point. Should had accomplished something. Man, there's

799
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: no ceo since Barry Gordy was able to do right.

800
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: He had really built the dynasty right once he had

801
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: put the demo down. Now, I'm not gonna say in

802
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: that area that some of them asked weapons weren't necessary

803
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: sometimes in order to get what you want, especially back then,

804
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: you had executives acting the way they did because I

805
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: was in the industry, you know, I was working for

806
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: the publishing companies and stuff like that. Man, you had

807
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: to roll a certain way because in l a meeting

808
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: doing this. Man, I had over the mentor to work

809
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: for Bug Music, and he had took me to the

810
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: bar one time and he said, man, you're ready for it.

811
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: You got you this job right. What you go do now?

812
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what's cool. I'm in there.

813
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm just working for a publishing company. I

814
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: got a little bit of power I can get to

815
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: do with the check, but I had limits to what

816
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I could do. If it was anything over seventy five dollars,

817
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: I couldn't move on it. So this older brother man,

818
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: and he had been working the industry man since the

819
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: very gordy days, right, he told me, he said, man, listen,

820
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: you got a class of people out here, especially in

821
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: the West Coast, even in New York. You'll get guys

822
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna be coming here trying to press you to

823
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: get deals down and do this and that. And I

824
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: never ran across that man. It's like you said, like,

825
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: And I think maybe because I knew people and stuff

826
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: like that, I never had a problem with getting a

827
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: brother check. If they had the goods, you had to

828
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: be on a certain level because I didn't mind telling

829
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: the person they was whack. You know, this ain't no

830
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: good man. It's like, I can't do nothing with this.

831
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: Get some traction with it. And I had people that

832
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: might have got up. You know, don't nobody want to

833
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: hear that day stuff ain't at the bar. But I

834
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: just kept one hundred with him, and I never made

835
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: them think that I was gonna do something with them.

836
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: But I saw a lot of record executives back then. Man,

837
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: they would you know at brothers give brothers agreement has

838
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: had them going back and forward the attorney and then

839
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: the deal just wouldn't go down. It would be somebody

840
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: the end of the pipe that said no, I think

841
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: what what should deal? Man? He had such a tremendous

842
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: opportunity at that time. Man, I really will say, man,

843
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: that about him kind of going over poor? He set

844
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: us back another teen years. Man, I agree, I agree

845
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: with that. I think I think everything is still moving

846
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: the way it was going to be moving. It's moving

847
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: even better that he's out of the way. And which

848
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: were the people in the musical business wanted him out

849
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: of the way. Now they can go home and close

850
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: their card dough and won't in their house opposing having

851
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: a light on the porch, having somebody stand by the

852
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: door with the door open, and having somebody walked the

853
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: perimeter around the house. People was putting up cameras because

854
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: it she was nice. People were straight afraid of his

855
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: brother and and people don't realize she was a smart

856
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: motherfucker and he used his ship. Man Sugar is the

857
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: only motherfucker I know that can get twenty motherfucker's bigger,

858
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: bigger or the same size as himself and control it.

859
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Have them do or I

860
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: mean the devil all you motherfucker's do my bed and

861
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: and and nobody come out of it with riches. Nobody

862
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: come out motherfucker's right now today. So what was if

863
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: they don't come out of it with riches and they're

864
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: doing the Devil's bidding? What was their payoff? What was

865
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: that motivation? The payoff was doing something that we never

866
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: did before, travel uh get money without uh disrespecting others

867
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: to get it, which is robbery and all this other

868
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: ship uh cash and had to sell dope and sitting

869
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: on the block all day no more. Motherfucker's was getting

870
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: a paycheck, which stability and nobility. Everybody that was coming

871
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: out of there never had a paycheck, never seen a paycheck,

872
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: Never want you to bake the casting check. And I

873
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: think that aspect of it was beautiful, Sames, I think

874
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. I think I'm about to control party.

875
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: I think at some point, what you gotta say now,

876
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: you gotta say, okay, we don't put the demo down

877
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: to l A. Ain't nobody messing with us, right, I

878
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: got brothers here working for me. Now at that point

879
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: you got to go to the next level. Now I say, okay,

880
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: this dude got a legitimate job, this cat got a

881
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: legitimate job. We don't have to do nothing else, because

882
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: I remember the time, man, motherfucker's were scared shipless a

883
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: death row. You didn't have to do nothing else at

884
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: that point, right, you just go boom a motherfucker runn

885
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: across the room. Right, So now you're at this point,

886
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: you got it going on. The most powerful man of music,

887
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: Jimmy Iven love you you over there playing football with

888
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: this cat over his house. One of the biggest dudes

889
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: of music. I think with sugar Man, not to show

890
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: people I give credit with creditors due if you look

891
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: at what he put together, Man, it was genius. You

892
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: know it was million in a in a year. Was

893
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: that you wanted in fifty million? His first year death

894
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: row was worth over six hundred and seventy eight million dollars,

895
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: and and I don't know where that money went. Yeah, nobody,

896
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: you've got to understand, see a lot of these numbers

897
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: that they bring up somewhere. This is the it's yeah,

898
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: this is the fun umber and the way it works

899
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: to the way it works. And distribution is this too.

900
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: You have record sales coming in. Right as soon as

901
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: those record seals come in, that money is distributed. It

902
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 1: comes in. So it's like it's like even when we do, okay,

903
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: let's say you gotta roster ten people come in, right

904
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: as soon as that money come in, you gotta pay accounts, fees,

905
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: press and distribution, marketing calls. So all that stuff is

906
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: coming like this now. Even still after that, you have

907
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: a hell of a net profit after that right to

908
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: where it was a lot of money made. But if

909
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: you're spending the money as soon as it comes in,

910
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: watches women, all this other extra stuff. Man, it can

911
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: go fast. Yeah, it can go fast. If I told you, man,

912
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: and too thouse in uh in two thousand and six,

913
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: that's the most money I've made in my wife. I

914
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: made eight dollars. When I tell you, I don't got

915
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: a penny from that in nine days. Because it's something

916
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: about it. The more money you make, the more money

917
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: you spend. Well, that's because you don't know the nature

918
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: of money. People who do that. I did that, I

919
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: made and spend millions because I didn't know the nature

920
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: of money. Gets what I'm saying is when you when

921
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: you don't know the nature of money, your one relationship

922
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: with it is consumption. Exactly, consumption. People that they can

923
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: buy their comfort, you know, dollars. I'm gonna be a

924
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: fucking idiot with it. I'm gonna I'm gonna spend it

925
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: like a goddamn fuck it. But what but what about

926
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you're you're you're a man, You're a

927
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: man with a certain age, right, But the opportunity for

928
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: you to do developed that type of foundation, financial foundation

929
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: for that beautiful grandchild, my grandkids. You know, it's just

930
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: different enough, because you know, the thing is when you

931
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: get older, I get money. Now I'm less after spend it.

932
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: You feel what I mean, It's like, I don't give

933
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: a about cars. I don't have every kind of car.

934
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: Heals pretty much. I'm not tripping on no cars. As

935
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I thought about that they don't

936
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: even have a car now that my wife drive this,

937
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: my son's drive this. So the car I thought was mine,

938
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: my son it's up at sc he's driving that motherfucker.

939
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: So it's like, I really you know Ship, you know,

940
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: when I needed I gotta hopping it with. But it's

941
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: like now, man, you know you think about that whole thing, man,

942
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: and it was really like, um, you've had some incredible

943
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: We've had some incredible black executives and hip hop. You know, um,

944
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 1: you know you got cash money records. You know, people

945
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: talk about Birdman as far as his lack of paining

946
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: people and stuff like that, but nope, he's on the

947
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: run to where he's the one that's outlasted everybody. If

948
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: you look at it right, you know, he's outlasted the

949
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: bad boy area. He's outlasted the death Row era, and

950
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: he's been still going. You know, you thought about it

951
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: when you've left and when he had the struggles with Wayne,

952
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: he come out with Drake. So he's out last everything.

953
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: But it seems like with our black executives, it's always

954
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: something we've never had the one dude that's always straight

955
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: up across the board. It's like, if you talk about puff,

956
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Dixon, Jeff Dixonutle Chris, Yeah good, but

957
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: Helutle Chris has been the the the godsend artist, loyal, appreciative, respectful,

958
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: reliable on time. Like because I've known a lot of

959
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: people who've had a lot of artists, and Jeff has

960
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: had the best consistent run with a top end, top

961
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: earning artist that I've ever seen, never an issue. Well,

962
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, I like a lot none of

963
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: you know. Shout off the coach K and P. They

964
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: for what they did in Atlanta. Man, they took dudes

965
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: that was unknown in which you know, you know what means,

966
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: I know it. It's very hard, shout out to coach.

967
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: Almost impossible to take a brand new dude, I don't

968
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: care you all talented heels and make it hit record.

969
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: So I see the stuff that's going on now with

970
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: the me goes to where they're coming because you know,

971
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: it's mighty find of timeling. This ain't no touring going

972
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: on because of the COVID and you know his woman

973
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: is in a lawsuit. Now they're saying they robbed this right,

974
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: But what they're not thinking about the first record they

975
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: had to broke nationally. Coach K, I know, for aspect

976
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: facts spent about two and fifty dollars on own money.

977
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, his own money so he can with a

978
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: roll the dice. People don't remember that later room. So

979
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: now I'm looking at this debacle right and I'm looking

980
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: at them. Oh they're suing them. Now they're saying they

981
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: got robbed, had an unfair deal. But you wasn't saying

982
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: that when they were spending their money on helping you

983
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: fulfill the thing they rolled going. So now you're sitting

984
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: on there talking about these brothers and stuff. I don't

985
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: like it if you're starting the business and there's certain

986
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: things that you gotta pay for to start that business

987
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: and then you I come in or these little cash

988
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: come in, and then your artists, are they possible for that?

989
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: They still have to pay that two hundred fifty dollars

990
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty tho you that caused to make a record.

991
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: Why should they have to pay the tuning? Your interest

992
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: is in them? And see that's where this this music

993
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: ship is sucked up. Because everything you do for me,

994
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: don't tell me you're doing something for me, And at

995
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I gotta pay it back.

996
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: But I owe you know if you come and get

997
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: me and say I want to do this, and then

998
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: you spend that no listen. No, no, really, I'm making

999
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: sense of the ship. And you spend a hundred thousand

1000
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: dollars on your corporation, that's what I got to do

1001
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: with that. And then I come in as an artist

1002
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: and then everything from that you spend on me to

1003
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: give me where I need to go, I owe you.

1004
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: Why do I have to pay that back? I'm not

1005
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't have and then I don't have no knowledge

1006
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: of your business. Your business is your business. I'm just

1007
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: your artists. Why do I pay back this joanty dollars

1008
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: that that you got from uh Dick Griffy. That ain't

1009
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: my fucking business. Well, if the two thousand was expended

1010
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: to create a project for them, then that's why it's

1011
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: directly attached attached to them, to them, and that's gonna

1012
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: be the same for everybody who got allocated whatever they

1013
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: got allocated for their project, that has to come back

1014
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: if if it go out the bag and it don't

1015
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: come back to the bag, but but the bag gonna

1016
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: be empty. Got the bag? You're not listening to women, bro,

1017
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: You're seeing if they got an advancement record company already

1018
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: and they spend that money on you, why do you

1019
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: whether they have to give it back. But see, let

1020
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: me tell you about this particular situation. Right, and this

1021
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: is how usually happens. A rapper come at you, right,

1022
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: a rapper, you know, it's a million rappers off. They're

1023
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: looking for deals. A lot of talented people in the streets. Right,

1024
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: it's more talent than the dealose deals. Right. You get

1025
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: these guys right here, you invest in them, You say, Okay,

1026
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this two hundred fifty thousand dollars I

1027
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: got and make you a start. I don't know when

1028
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: no guys bringing ther from no business. The way it works. Okay,

1029
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: now we don't make a million, that's cool. We're gonna

1030
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: make this million. But I'm gonna take my little too

1031
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: fifty back up off and I made, and we're gonna

1032
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: split the rest of this stuff up. That's how I

1033
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: should go. That's how you know. I don't. I don't

1034
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: exactly I go. They do more than that. Oh yeah,

1035
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: in three d and seventy, I will admit this, James infrastructure,

1036
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: the counting in the recording industry. You ain't got me then? Yeah,

1037
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: the counting known that. But to see, that's the thing.

1038
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: They gotta stop making it seem like you get other

1039
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: than business. See that's another thing that I've had the

1040
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to who observed during my period doing Don Devon

1041
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: and Hip Hop Weekly and being around these guys, and

1042
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: I hunt with the with the artists. I didn't deal

1043
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: with publicists. I didn't deal with underlings or assistance or labels.

1044
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: I got my access to the labels through the artists themselves.

1045
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: Y'all want you to spend money with this magazine on

1046
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: my project whatever, That's how I got them, right. I

1047
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: established relationship with the artists, so I got to sit

1048
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: and listen to everybody's stories and all that. Right, And

1049
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: one of the most consistent issues that I saw a

1050
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: lot of these kids come from homes that are not structured.

1051
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: A lot of them come from homes that are missing

1052
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: the family dynamic. Right, so when they meet somebody who

1053
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: may be the first person that expressed some interest in

1054
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and that person sensing like doing what

1055
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: human beings do? You know? I mean, this is this

1056
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: is this is what that for the laws is about.

1057
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: It's not about so much you trying to assimilate all

1058
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: this behavior and you know, um trick and fool everybody

1059
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: it's about you looking at what has historically happened and

1060
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: seeing that human beings do these things, you know, without

1061
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: knowing they do them as a response to them trying

1062
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: to get what they want and seeing what works that.

1063
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: It starts all way down here. I cried, you come,

1064
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: bring me food? Got you? You know what I mean.

1065
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: So that's just human beings responding to their environment and

1066
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: their desires and the and their environments resistance to providing

1067
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: their desires. So when these guys come into contact with

1068
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: these guys with these labels, and the guys like, hey man,

1069
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: you're good, shorty, I'm saying, we're gonna brow you up

1070
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: this any less. Oh really, that's what's up. I appreciate

1071
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: that man with Yeah, Man, you with us. We family, man,

1072
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: I got you. You're gonna get you straight. You know

1073
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're gonna be rich. And they make

1074
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: them rich, but the money does not mean as much

1075
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: to them as the sense of family, you know what

1076
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, The sense of family that they give them

1077
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: when they tell them I got you human. That means

1078
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: that all the things that I didn't get from the

1079
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: primary male role model that I didn't have, I'm expecting

1080
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: them from you. Is that unrealistic? Yes, it is so

1081
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: basically what you're saying and I'm hearing you that the

1082
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: black brothers has learned from the white boys how not

1083
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: to give and no when to give a motherfucker his

1084
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: Money's uh, you're do a motherfucker's song and it's number one.

1085
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: You don't see a goddamn dollar for six months. Get

1086
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: me my motherfucking money, man. But this is how they

1087
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: do it more exactly why we do joint ventures. You

1088
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: come in, you came down. I'm not gonna make you

1089
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna be talking about me a year

1090
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: from now if I don't your name, I'm talking. But

1091
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, no, no, But the point is valid.

1092
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: Though not get paid. People do not get paid. And

1093
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: and just because you're in charge of of of my

1094
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: career don't mean you take what you want and distributed

1095
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: to me how you want. That's just that's just take

1096
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: my money. That's just bad investlement. Investlement is bad veins.

1097
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: That's the only way to do it, dope, Listen, what's

1098
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: the only way to do it. That's not the only

1099
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: way to do it taking the money and giving them.

1100
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: Motherfucker what they want to give him mocking and and

1101
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: and that's I don't know, watch you'll do it? I

1102
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: watch you Uh the chronic did nobody she was having

1103
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: the ball off that motherfucking money. Dreydon wouldn't get none

1104
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: of that money, didn't shoot that money for another ninety days.

1105
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 1: And motherfucker's just like, damn, I can't get my money.

1106
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: Everybody eating. But you gotta think about it like this

1107
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: to one thing that we are saying is that at

1108
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: some point the motherfucker take a risk. He could want

1109
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: to get his back because should be spend a million

1110
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: dollars to keep sugars ass out of jail. And then

1111
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: this starts snoops not snoops to keep snoop by the jail.

1112
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: You gotta think about it this too. Don't body ever

1113
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: thinks about to do the loose. Don't nobody ever talked

1114
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: about that because she made that money back. No, let

1115
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: listen to James, give me up, brother, give me out

1116
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: now right. There is more than likely when you signed artists.

1117
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: If you've got a record label and I got ten artists,

1118
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: more than likely out of them ten of this, I'm

1119
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: gonna have one of them that may do okay, right,

1120
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: one of them that may do okay, one that may

1121
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: break even, and the rest of the motherfucker's may flop,

1122
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: and I can spend the same thing on all of them.

1123
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: Let's just snake for the business. But that's what you

1124
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: having a label. You gotta say, uh, this contract over,

1125
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: this contract over, I don't know that the way you

1126
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: want to go. You can go do this, But yet

1127
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: they hold on to these people and then the budget

1128
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: that they give you to say maybe a month, I

1129
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: mean like she'll playing the people renting all of this

1130
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: other ship. But at the end of the day, you

1131
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: own me. This ain't no, this ain't got nothing to

1132
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: do with no love or you the home mee and

1133
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: none of that the end of the day, like he did,

1134
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: Um the majority of the guys that was there, like

1135
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: he did, Danny Boyd. You know everything that you do

1136
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: for me, I gotta recoup you back with a great

1137
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: thing about the day. Though. Man, it's like, really you

1138
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: don't like that traditional record business, that model back then

1139
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: it's over because you ain't just right. They robbed people,

1140
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: especially Nature. Yeah, because we owned the publish and I

1141
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say we because I didn't get none of

1142
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: that money. The publishing company I was working for on

1143
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: the Gap Band's publishing, right, this was the average deal

1144
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: back in the seventies, owned up even to the two thousand's.

1145
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: You get fifty cent off of each record. Right, they

1146
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: give you a hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand dollar

1147
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: budget to record right now, and I'm just breaking the

1148
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: math down. You have a hundred thousand dollar budget to

1149
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: record an album right out that hundred thousand dollars, just

1150
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: say you come out with your first week and you

1151
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: wind up selling five half a million albums right with

1152
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: six dollars retail wholesale Rational that's coming back right there,

1153
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: that's one too, that's three million dollars. You'll be thinking,

1154
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm good, I get that three new we charged you

1155
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: back out that little fifty center record that you make.

1156
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: We don't made money, you haven't recouped. Yeah, so you

1157
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: get back out the fifty cent. That's the game. That

1158
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: show didn't make that model up. Sugar is able to

1159
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: get to the point he got to because he assimilated

1160
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: the model. Had he not, they wouldn't let him get

1161
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: to where he got to. Come ahead and break the game.

1162
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: How we make our money. Should learned from the big boys.

1163
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm saying. This is what I'm trying

1164
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: to say to y'all right here at this table. Show

1165
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: the brothers that starting their own labels, record labels and

1166
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: ship like that. They have learned from the big and

1167
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: now they're trickling down where a motherfucking rapper. Rapper ain't

1168
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: number the slave and the music business well pretty much.

1169
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: That's why I really would it should be the ideas

1170
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: of commodities, no more slave than the ones that's proven

1171
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: the dollar dollars the same thing. Get out there and work,

1172
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Drake not slave, no more. He's proved this point. He's

1173
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: making motherfucker. He proves his point. He has limited but

1174
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: you can spend as much money as he wants to.

1175
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: He's paid. He's going on because I'm gonna tell you

1176
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: what this It used to be. At least when you

1177
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: had doing fun up deals. You could go on the

1178
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: road and make you a hundred thousand dollars and show

1179
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: and want nobody getting that's so fucked up because they're

1180
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: getting a piece of your show money. Get a piece

1181
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: of your merchandise money. You sell a T shirt and

1182
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: I'll get half of that. It's like this. But my

1183
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: thing is this because I don't see my home like

1184
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you like this, Like nobody closed the door.

1185
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: That's why they came in. Like I'm gonna tell you

1186
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: like this, man, I was around the t D dudes

1187
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: when they first started, right, and I'm gonna tell you

1188
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: that dude took care of his artists. I saw the

1189
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: money he was spending. Right. We go to Vegas to

1190
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: go to Little Wayne's video shoot. Everybody lining up to

1191
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: go to the burgers joint. You know, I'm a grown man.

1192
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm buying my own ship. Right by the time he

1193
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: running out of the the tab three hundred dollars, that's

1194
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: just one expense changing with the bill study rising, you

1195
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: go to the club that night, Nick is walking around

1196
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: with drinks in their hand and ship changing. He paying

1197
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: for all that. So it comes to a point to where, Okay, now,

1198
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: for the last six years and you've been fourteen, I

1199
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: don't been paying your weight, I don't been feeding You've

1200
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: been using my studio and stuff. So not by the

1201
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: time you get up to finally get a deal, you

1202
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: might have spent three hundred thousand dollars on this motherfucker.

1203
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: And you come in there and the check come in,

1204
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: you gotta do look at you like, yeah, I'm gonna

1205
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: get this. No, you get this little bit, and I

1206
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: gotta get mind back in order to keep the ship floor.

1207
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: Because if you don't have some kind of recouping mechanism,

1208
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna be no label. It'll be all out

1209
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: and nothing coming in. But the deal can because what

1210
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: they can do with these guys. I think you kill

1211
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: all that man and you have a tear when the

1212
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: dude first coming in. You get this. You know this.

1213
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: You're paying your dudes. If you win, you get this.

1214
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: I think every artist you get two dollars unrecoupable. There's

1215
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: enough money there. You don't show a significant dollar of records.

1216
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: If you sell five from the thousand records, you get

1217
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: two dollars off each record. You get paid. We get ours.

1218
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: Everybody make money. So whenever I am talking to people

1219
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: and they present an idea and idea sounds like it's

1220
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: just got all the walls and floors and seals and

1221
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: everything in it. I see, okay, now that that obviously

1222
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: is something that you thought about. You thought this, this

1223
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: is a great ideas. Playing simple anybody can see this now,

1224
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: think about it like this? What could be wrong with it?

1225
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: That's what people don't do. They come up with these

1226
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: great ideas, but they never ever entertain what could be wrong?

1227
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: How could it not be a good idea, because that

1228
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: will get you to a better idea. There are things

1229
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: that are not considered in what you just said about

1230
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: giving them the two dollars recoupal. But it sounds like

1231
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: a great thing. But there are things that none of

1232
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: us are prized of that are part of that mechaniation,

1233
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: especially in the old model. We're in the age of digital. Now.

1234
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody pressing no records. Nobody's paying for the materials

1235
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: to press records, nobody's owning or operating the machines to press.

1236
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: And there's no way I can't find a record executive

1237
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: not working to publishing for ten years. I don't know

1238
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: how that ship worked. Ihead. I was looking at the

1239
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: glass of statements the other day and I was like, man,

1240
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't like this ship. Is weird iss here? How

1241
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: do you pay somebody a fraction of a penny? You

1242
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying points understanding understanding nature of money.

1243
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: It's all numbers only cent of the money that we

1244
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: spend exists. It's all just so, yeah, you can take

1245
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: you can take a fraction of a number, sure, actually,

1246
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: and then you know what the thing is. I'm gonna

1247
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: tell you. Then the music industry is making more money

1248
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: now than they overhead, mean physical you don't have the

1249
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: pressional CDs up no more. When I was in the

1250
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: music industry, you was gonna spend two fifty and then

1251
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, to get the nice thing with the nice forward,

1252
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like that man with the jel case,

1253
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: he was gonna spend two fifties. So by the time

1254
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: you went to market with that motherfucker's, you were selling

1255
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: it for ten dollars to try to make back your costs. Right,

1256
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: there was a lot of stuff with it. And I'm

1257
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what was what was sucked up back

1258
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: then is you were here about it all the time.

1259
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: James is my artist, Right, he comes out, he's popping.

1260
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: I pressed up twenty five thousand units he don't know about,

1261
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: and ship the motherfucker's to Japan another twenty five because

1262
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm no one looking out for you. That was that

1263
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: was my business for the longest time. I had guys

1264
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: that would come to me and said, and I handled

1265
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: all the paperwork and everything, all the you know ship

1266
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: to go over there, man, and had a nice ass

1267
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: check from It was all cash on delivering. You know,

1268
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: you send the motherfucking ten thousand CDs over in Europe

1269
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: and expect he gonna pay you back. Good luck, Good

1270
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: luck with that motherfucker over Africa. Something we fucked still,

1271
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: I ain't sending him ship. What are you gonna do?

1272
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: Come over and get it, you feel what I'm saying.

1273
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: So it was like that back then. It was fucked up.

1274
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: But the good thing about that I was kind of

1275
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: the safe because I was doing that with the artists.

1276
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know, the nig is not

1277
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: gonna pay you no way, you might as well. Let's

1278
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: let's get that early and get that off. And you

1279
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's that's real ship about that

1280
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: overseas thing going on and people not knowing about it.

1281
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: All right, So this, uh, this person of this family,

1282
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: this family that you know I had love and respect for,

1283
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, all but one has

1284
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: passed now, but they were at the inception of the

1285
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: record businesses is related to hip hop sugar Hill records. Right,

1286
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: So one of the things Sylvia, Right, So how do

1287
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: you don't even wanted to share the name? I said,

1288
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: sugar Hill. I mean you know people who know, No,

1289
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: people don't don't, right, But um so what what she

1290
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: what she was doing was essentially you know, the blueprint

1291
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: that she got from. You know, if people don't know

1292
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: this business was started by the mom you know what

1293
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's it's always been crooked, just like

1294
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: the film, Just like the film industry. What do you

1295
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: think these people are getting the money from the start

1296
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: students and build students. These people they didn't have money.

1297
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: They got the money from gangsters the music industry. That's

1298
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: what I said. And that's the whole premise of this show.

1299
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: By the way, everything is rooted in game, from the

1300
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: American government to every everything is corrupt, right right, that's

1301
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: I mean this, This is a corrupt nation. The planet

1302
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: is corrupt. It's all corporate at ocracies, all of it.

1303
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: There are no countries, it's just corporations, you know what

1304
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean. But they tell people, they tell them now

1305
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: in terms of that old that old model. Um, when

1306
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: when they were putting people's records out and all that whatever.

1307
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: They didn't They didn't tell them about how much, how

1308
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: many records are being sold and all that whatever here here.

1309
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: They didn't tell them anything about publishing here. Bro they

1310
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: were killing them overseas with what random people's they had.

1311
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: My man Zeno ben Zino, he's the source, was my

1312
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: partner from Hip Weekly, right they had he found that

1313
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: they had his publish and they had so many They

1314
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: were going around and and and signing up to get

1315
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: to receive people's overseas publishing because they had no idea

1316
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: about it. They were only watching if that over here,

1317
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: but they were getting checks. We gotta go, right, we

1318
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: gotta go right now. Like I said, I worked. That's

1319
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: the end of the industry. I worked on publishing. Before

1320
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: we leave. I'm gonna tell everybody about one thing that

1321
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: was real gamester. A lot of people don't register. They

1322
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: published in different countries, right, so you have different people

1323
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: that kind of handle the publishing, different agencies. Right. If

1324
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: you don't know no better than if I want to

1325
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: be scandless and you're a brand new artist, right, I

1326
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: can go over there and rigs to Yo Publishing and

1327
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: Russia somewhere, right, and I'm collecting on all this publishing.

1328
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: By the time you go get it back, I could

1329
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: collect the million dollars and they can't do a damn

1330
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: thing about it. Yeah that's what this Oh yeah, yeah

1331
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: got me. That's only a resort resort that we would

1332
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: result to us because we've got that in our toolkit

1333
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: from our experience we got down. Unfortunately, we ran out

1334
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: of time right now, But I wanted to give a quote.

1335
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 1: I really got hooked on this book last week. This

1336
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: was written by Cavarios. Uh fifty critical quotes, and I'll

1337
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: pick the selection. I'm gonna be reading one of these

1338
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: for y'all to ponder own and the audience. Man. Every week, man,

1339
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 1: every experience we survive as a gift wrapped in a

1340
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: forgettable package development. No one wants to experience hardship, but

1341
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: it's a necessary aspect of existence, for without it, we

1342
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: cannot learn our strengths or weaknesses. If we don't contend

1343
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 1: with something at some point, we don't develop the resilience

1344
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: that a great life requires, all the while yearning for

1345
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: a great life of wondering why that eludes us. Embrace challenges,

1346
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: see setbacks, and sharpen your blade on bullshit. Once you

1347
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: survive something you were sure would kill you. You begin

1348
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: to appreciate the truth value of life, and we're gonna

1349
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: leave you like this. I suggest you gogle get that

1350
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: fifty critical quotes. That was it. Man, I'm still I'm

1351
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,799
Speaker 1: definitely writing out of that book. I'm I'm I'm dritting

1352
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: my ship down, every every thought I have, every time

1353
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: I go to one, and and it makes me think, like, damn,

1354
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: if I had throw like this a long time ago,

1355
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be I wouldn't have been that person a

1356
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: long time ago. But then I think, if what if

1357
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't that person along time ago, would I be

1358
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: here today? But but I was? I was that person, right,

1359
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: So it being exposed to this the information that led

1360
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: to me creating those quotes didn't It didn't interfere with

1361
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: the person I was. It infused the person that I was.

1362
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: Anybody that knows me knows that I I stopped that nothing.

1363
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: If if everybody had this book, we get along better. Yes,

1364
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring my book that you gave me, and

1365
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you everything I've written in it. And

1366
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: I think it meant it might be a different term. No,

1367
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 1: But the thing is that's it's it's open to interpretation.

1368
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: The quotes themselves were created from a very young, young

1369
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: young person, you know, is mine trying to wrap myself

1370
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: around the concepts that were being shared with me by

1371
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: my predecessors, these gangsters, you know. So I'm trying to

1372
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: understand what it is they want me to understand, and

1373
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm interpretating it in the best way I can for

1374
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: my own and not my own purpose is my own use.

1375
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: So I may not have gotten exactly what it was

1376
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: they wanted me to understand, but what I got from

1377
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: it was something that I was able to use. So, however,

1378
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: it is the whole thing is about sparking a more

1379
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: critical process. Like I said earlier, you had a great

1380
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: thought about what could work two dollars off each one unrecoupable.

1381
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: But you have to expound on that and see if

1382
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: there are any holes in it before you accepted as

1383
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: a viable you know, idea and too damn sharp, too

1384
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: smart against the chronicles. Man, Man, we gotta xucate, I

1385
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 1: educate man, my tutor. The thing is man, The nature

1386
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: of a thing is the nature of a thing. It

1387
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: doesn't change by virtue of his view. So although I'm

1388
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: able to articulate myself the way I am now. I

1389
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 1: was as dark and destructive as they come. M M,

1390
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: you know I got honestly said that. So in a

1391
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,440
Speaker 1: sense we are work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm James McDonald,

1392
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm Cavario h and I'm still Man And that's the

1393
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles piece. Oh and make sure, um, we'll be

1394
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: making a big announcement Man on our platform. Um, the

1395
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: episodes on YouTube are going to be start really being

1396
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: limited to the first five minutes of them. Um, we're

1397
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: starting our own platform because, as you see, the government

1398
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: has been getting down on these different platforms for the

1399
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: things they've been doing and everything, because I don't know

1400
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: how you go from half of me. Um, you know,

1401
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on. Just stay tuned, alright.

1402
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: Peace