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Speaker 5: Welcome to Cowboys Crosstalk live on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network,

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Speaker 5: We are live from the Cowboys Club the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 5: I'm Bobby Belt from one five through the Fan. I'm

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Speaker 5: joined tonight as always by the three times world champion,

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Speaker 5: six time pro bowler, Nate Newton is with us, Big Papa,

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Speaker 5: as Charles Haley told me to let you know, and

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Speaker 5: our guest tonight has quite the resume, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: need to make sure that I get to all of

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Speaker 5: this because it's a it's a very lengthy, totally look,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this windout okay, wow wow.

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Speaker 5: He was a two time consensus All American at the

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Speaker 5: University of Oklahoma, where he also won a national championship

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Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty five. That was the same year that

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Speaker 5: he won the Lombardi Award and was named Lineman of

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Speaker 5: the Year by UPI Wow, all of which eventually led

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Speaker 5: to his enshrinement in the College Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: He was the second overall pick of the nineteen eighty

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Speaker 4: By the Atlanta FL.

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Speaker 5: It's the second, the second number two, where he would

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Speaker 5: be named to the All Rookie team and then the

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Speaker 5: All Pro Team in nineteen eighty nine. But we have

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Speaker 5: him here tonight because of a fateful pregame conversation with

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Speaker 5: Dave Juan Stat on December thirtieth, nineteen ninety at Atlanta

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Speaker 5: Fulton County Stadium that set the wheels in motion for

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Speaker 5: him to become a Dallas Cowboy, where he would go

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Speaker 5: on to win two Super Bowl at nineteen ninety nineteen

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Speaker 5: ninety three. The man I'm describing, of course, is none

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Speaker 5: other than for for Cowboys defensive tackle Tony Casius.

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Speaker 3: Tony, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And I don't you kind of like, uh,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that's condescending.

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Speaker 4: No, no, that was.

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Speaker 6: I'm this messing because every time we see each other,

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Speaker 6: it's it's it's always like the locker room and just

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Speaker 6: a you get older, but the memories never phase mbell

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Speaker 6: us a little bit more. But this guy right here, man,

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Speaker 6: I love this guy. And and there was the reason

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Speaker 6: why I walked away. I do now. It's because I

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Speaker 6: had to work against him every day and that was

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Speaker 6: even the brother in law deal. But yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 6: having me, Bobby and to day, and I appreciate being here.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you, man, Tony Casia, how you pronounced

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Speaker 7: how you pronounced I wasn't always go correct, Please correct.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't eve gonna go there because pronunciation, because I

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Speaker 6: cannot I cannot criticize anyone on any pronunciation.

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Speaker 1: Right, But how long have we known each other?

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Speaker 8: Tell them your last name us cause Tony case see us.

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Speaker 4: Start you on Instagram?

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Speaker 1: Tony.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, here's what I think.

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Speaker 5: I think after thirty five years, it's gonna stick tonight.

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Speaker 5: How to say your last name?

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Speaker 1: I think I think you.

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Speaker 6: Know your memory kind of page just a little bit,

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Speaker 6: so I'm not I'm gonna do the I'm gonna do

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Speaker 6: the under on that. But that's that's that's that's always yes,

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Speaker 6: he always made a locker room and you get everyone

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Speaker 1: But that's what makes the great brotherhood.

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Speaker 5: Guys, it's you know, that's a I'm interested to start

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Speaker 5: days you're check into the NFL, and then eventually how

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Speaker 5: We've heard so many different stories from guys about, you know,

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Speaker 5: What was his personality? Where did he fit in in

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Speaker 4: He was easy going, he was just he was. He

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Speaker 1: Now man, I was a Brown brother.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he never made no waves. I mean you cracked

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Speaker 4: He just blow you off. Man.

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Speaker 8: And but he was always easy going. You rally, rally,

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Speaker 8: I knew was just an easy going guy. And all

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Speaker 4: And he came to Dallas and found satisfacttions.

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Speaker 5: Found two Super Bowl titles as well. Let let's jump

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Speaker 5: Just talk about your your recruitment, what led you to

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Speaker 6: Well, Bobby, you you mentioned about Barry Switzer. He's a yeah,

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Speaker 6: And I think that he was a kind of the person,

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Speaker 1: You have something in you.

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Speaker 6: And and I think Oklahoma kind of created a lot

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Speaker 1: For one, he's such a personable guy. People.

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Speaker 6: When he came to Dallas, obviously falling, you know, legendary

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Speaker 6: So I think that that's really the connection I made

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Speaker 5: Did you find that, because you obviously spent time here

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Speaker 1: Well, it was, it was totally different.

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Speaker 6: I think that I think that his reputation in college

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Speaker 1: But I think he was more of a I would say,

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Speaker 6: Because he told me that one time, this is not

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Speaker 1: And he was a dictator.

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Speaker 6: But I think when he came to the NFL, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly who dictates.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he was a guy that wouldn't after we

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Speaker 6: And I'm I think maybe his kind of and maybe, yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's not too many coaches were like Jimmy, but so

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Speaker 4: A lot of short term great long term failure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I like what you you point out

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Speaker 5: there about you know, barri stuff when he got here

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Speaker 5: and he said, guys, nobody needs to be nervous or

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Speaker 5: have won two Super Bowls. You've been doing great.

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Speaker 4: Before I got here.

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Speaker 5: Uh literally, the only thing I'm gonna ask is like,

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Speaker 5: just be loyal to me, Like like, let's let's build

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Speaker 5: a culture of loyalty and let's let's be there for

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Speaker 5: each other. Would you say that Barry was was more

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Speaker 5: of the player's coach, that the type that was would

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Speaker 5: I'm the disciplinarian. I'm I'm essentially the father in the

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Speaker 3: Would you say that.

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Speaker 8: Is Barry was sitting on his couch, and I'm being honest,

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Speaker 8: Barry got more money then you would ever.

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Speaker 4: People don't know he know it. Yeah he didn't.

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Speaker 4: Coach was out there with me.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think coach Switzer had expectations, and I think

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let's hear the let's hear the truth about

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Speaker 3: It's myself Bobby Bell from one of five through the fan.

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Speaker 5: I've got Nate Newton, the six time pro bowler, three

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Speaker 5: College Football Hall of Famer Tony Casias is here with us.

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Speaker 6: He isn't Google a great tool because you get older

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Speaker 6: Just type my name, man, they do search and hopefully

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Speaker 4: No you know what?

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Speaker 5: See, this is actually this is why Nate, We've talked

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Speaker 5: Right here is because actually the way that I grew

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Speaker 6: Well, I knew Dave. I went way back. He recruited

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Speaker 6: how what how can I get out of here? I

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Speaker 6: need someone to save my football life? So lo and behold.

443
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Speaker 6: I see day one instead, and it's during the pregame

444
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Speaker 6: warm ups, and uh, I go out there and I'm

445
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Speaker 6: I go and I've nonchalant.

446
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Speaker 1: I start talking to him.

447
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Speaker 6: I said, look, hey, coach, is there any way that

448
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Speaker 6: you can get me out of here?

449
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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know.

450
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 6: I need to be revitalized, and if there's any opportunities

451
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 6: that I can fit in, I mean, save me, tell

452
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Speaker 6: me a lifeline. So, uh, you know how it is.

453
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Speaker 6: You just have conversation you're talking about. You don't never

454
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Speaker 6: think anything's in the company for us and or anything.

455
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Speaker 6: You just think you just I'll never hear about it.

456
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Speaker 6: So yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll. I'll let you know Tony

457
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Speaker 6: well and like, okay, well, best of luck and YadA YadA.

458
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Speaker 6: So it was, I guess in June, right before camp,

459
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Speaker 6: when I was supposed to report it in Atlanta, I

460
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Speaker 6: was in Tulsa, Oklahoma at my buddy's house. And this

461
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Speaker 6: is when all you know, the new breaking news. It

462
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Speaker 6: wasn't like your phone. It was like ESPN all the

463
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Speaker 6: breaking news or whatever. So anyway, so I get a

464
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 6: I called. I basically told the organization that I'm going

465
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Speaker 6: to retire. Said I'm gonna go. I'm gonna be a golfer.

466
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Speaker 6: I mean I want to leave. Trevino is my hero

467
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Speaker 6: something like that because I love past and I didn't

468
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Speaker 6: know what so I said, I'm going to retire. So

469
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Speaker 6: Ken Herrock was a GM so uh he called my

470
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Speaker 6: bluff and I said, I'm not reporting to Atlanta and

471
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Speaker 6: and and I told my agent, I said, you know,

472
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Speaker 6: I'm not going back to Atlanta. Tell them that I'm retired.

473
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Speaker 6: And you know, if they want to trade me, they

474
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Speaker 6: can trade me whatever they can get for me.

475
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Speaker 1: I just don't fit in. I don't want to go back.

476
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Speaker 6: So uh So this conversation went on for about a

477
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Speaker 6: day and a half and uh so I get a

478
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Speaker 6: call from coach Wantstad. He goes, he Tony, I'm talking

479
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Speaker 6: to We're talking Atlanta about doing this trade.

480
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Speaker 1: And I said, oh man, I've said, are you serious?

481
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Speaker 1: So next thing. I know it.

482
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Speaker 6: I'm sitting at my friend's house in Oklahoma. It's Ulsa,

483
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Speaker 6: in his living room, and Dan Patrick was doing the ESPN,

484
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Speaker 6: you know, updates, and so he comes on he said, yeah,

485
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Speaker 6: this is uh, we just got news that the Dallas

486
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Speaker 6: Cowboys are going to make a trade for Tony Casillis

487
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Speaker 6: or Atlanta Falcons.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm like what.

489
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Speaker 6: So next thing, you know, you get a call from

490
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Speaker 6: Jimmy and said, hey, Tony, you want to come and

491
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Speaker 6: help us win some championships here in Dallas.

492
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Speaker 1: I said, hell yes.

493
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Speaker 6: So that's basically, in a nutshell, how that whole deal

494
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Speaker 6: went down.

495
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Speaker 1: And uh.

496
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Speaker 6: And I always say this, I think that Jimmy, I'm

497
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Speaker 6: so grateful because he did believe in me. You know,

498
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 6: he felt like I sit in with guys like Nate

499
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Speaker 6: people they had there, and I just felt like he

500
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Speaker 6: really saved my football life. I bring me in to Dallas,

501
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Speaker 6: and you know, the rest was really history. And I

502
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 6: really that's the way it went down.

503
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Speaker 5: You know, you talking about that idea of at the

504
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Speaker 5: end of the ninety season and you're saying, man, I'd

505
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Speaker 5: love to get there, I'd love to make something happen.

506
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Speaker 5: And it's kind of closing in quickly on that Super

507
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 5: Bowl run they had. We've known recently. We talked to

508
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Speaker 5: Charles Haley. Charles traded here in nineteen ninety two, before

509
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Speaker 5: the ninety two season.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was. I don't think it was before.

511
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Speaker 5: I think it was in the middle of the ninety

512
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Speaker 5: two season when Thomas Everett got traded here. So you

513
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Speaker 5: talk about three trades made in the course of you know,

514
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Speaker 5: about thirteen fourteen months, all of them on the defensive

515
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Speaker 5: side of the ball. Why do you think bringing in

516
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Speaker 5: different veterans and those pieces with that up and coming group,

517
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Speaker 5: why do you think that meshed so well defensively in

518
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Speaker 5: time for you guys to win a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that that.

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Speaker 6: I think you're always looking for different aspects of your

521
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Speaker 6: of your defense.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was.

523
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Speaker 6: I was a run stopper, so I played in a

524
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Speaker 6: three four, I was a noose, I played over the nose.

525
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Speaker 6: And I was an undersized guy. I mean, I I

526
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Speaker 6: think my.

527
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Speaker 1: My peak weight was three hundred pounds.

528
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Speaker 6: But I was this big, you know, run stopper and

529
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Speaker 6: you know, grabbing scoop blocks, and you know, it's taking

530
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Speaker 6: up space and and really I just I mean I

531
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 6: was pretty active, but then I thought, well, when I

532
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 6: came to Dallas and ran a four to three, it's

533
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Speaker 6: just like open up a lot of a lot of

534
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Speaker 6: different opportunities for me. It's like getting up filled. And

535
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Speaker 6: so I fit that that void well, I mean we

536
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Speaker 6: had Russell.

537
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Speaker 1: Russell's a number one pick. We already had a lot

538
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Speaker 1: of depth there.

539
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Speaker 6: But it really kind of fit my my style of

540
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Speaker 6: play because that's I was an upfield type of player,

541
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Speaker 6: so I wasn't having to do that. And and so

542
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Speaker 6: I I think for one, I think Jimmy and Day

543
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Speaker 6: felt like I could help him there. You know, Charles

544
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Speaker 6: obviously he was a hell of a pass rusher, fierce

545
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Speaker 6: pass rusher, So you need a great a pass rusher

546
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Speaker 6: of a culmination of what we already had. So and

547
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Speaker 6: then Thomas, I mean from Pittsburgh. I mean he was

548
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 6: a great safety. I mean a guy that was a headhunter,

549
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 6: was a ballhawks smart, smart guy. So and I think

550
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Speaker 6: that jim was good to like just kind of finding

551
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 6: different personalities it would fit in the locker room. And

552
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 6: I think that that's very that's that's very important as

553
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Speaker 6: a as a guy that evaluates talent, not only but

554
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 6: you know, on the field, but you know, how are

555
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 6: we going to get along with each other? And I

556
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 6: think that he was a good you know, he was

557
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Speaker 6: good at judging that type of talent and that type

558
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Speaker 6: of character.

559
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Speaker 5: During y'all Super Bowl runs that there was a lot

560
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Speaker 5: of that change over that that swapping out pieces or

561
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Speaker 5: trying to acquire veterans to fit just right. There wasn't

562
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Speaker 5: as much of that offensively. I mean, you got Jay

563
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Speaker 5: Novicik playing b free agency, but one of the big

564
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Speaker 5: ones that occurred was on the offensive line for the

565
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Speaker 5: third Super Bowl when you guys had you brought in

566
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Speaker 5: Ray Donaldson after Mark Stepanoska up. Did you find any

567
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Speaker 5: Was that like an easy seamless transition. Have a veteran

568
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Speaker 5: come into a veteran group, or did you find, hey,

569
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Speaker 5: that guy likes to do you think a certain way?

570
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Speaker 5: We do think a certain way. There's got to be

571
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Speaker 5: a little bit of a blending.

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Speaker 8: No, no, right, Ray chigle minute to adjust to how

573
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Speaker 8: coach wanted the block.

574
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Speaker 4: But he was a veteran, he was all pro. He

575
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Speaker 4: came from running backs of a thousand or more yards

576
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Speaker 4: and so he fit right in.

577
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Speaker 8: He had attitude. One thing about it. Tony wasn't gonna

578
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Speaker 8: be pushed.

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Speaker 4: Now.

580
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Speaker 8: He was easy to get along with, but if he

581
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 8: didn't want to do something or he didn't feel something,

582
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Speaker 8: he would let you know. All of our guys were athletes,

583
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Speaker 8: all of them first round pick. The same with Ray Donaldson.

584
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Speaker 8: These guys were beasts. They were already established. Now, whether

585
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 8: they knew or felt it, it didn't matter us because

586
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 8: we knew and trusted coach Jhon when he brought in

587
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 8: a dude, he was gonna be a dog and he

588
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 8: was gonna do his job.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's uh, we talked about part of thres who

590
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Speaker 5: I'm asking you guys about. This is what we're gonna

591
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Speaker 5: set up when we talk. We're gonna go to our

592
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 5: second break, and I want to talk to you guys

593
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 5: about current day Dallas Cowboys. This team is really starting

594
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 5: to gel in a couple of areas where you may

595
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: not expect some undrafted free agents, some guys who are

596
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 5: not your bigger investments stepping in and maybe playing better

597
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Speaker 5: as a team. So I just want to talk to

598
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Speaker 5: you guys about that idea of the team kind of

599
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Speaker 5: blending together even when you feel like you don't have

600
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Speaker 5: all of your best individual parts. We're gonna do that

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Speaker 3: I'm Bobby Belt from one O five to the fan.

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Speaker 5: I've got the three time Super Bowl champion and six

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Speaker 5: time Pro Bowler Nate Newton here with me as always,

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Speaker 5: and our guest tonight is the All Rookie team member,

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Speaker 5: all Pro member, the two time Super Bowl CHAMPI the

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Speaker 5: College Football Hall of Fame member Tony Casillas.

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Speaker 3: Tony, thanks again for joining us. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Uh So, I asked you guys about the how players

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Speaker 5: gelled with you guys veterans that you brought in, whether

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Speaker 5: it be Ray Donaldson or Thomas Everard or Charles Haley

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Speaker 5: or whoever may be the Cowboys recently off the last months,

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Speaker 5: Cowboys pick up their their third victory in four weeks.

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Speaker 5: This most recent game, they go on the road against

624
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Speaker 5: Carolina and pick up a pretty big victory. The offensive

625
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Speaker 5: line really starting to come together, in fact, on both sides,

626
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Speaker 5: both sides that you guys had played in the trenches,

627
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Speaker 5: offensive line come together with undrafted free agents being mixed

628
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Speaker 5: and matched in here. Defensive line, You're seeing Mazzie Smith,

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Speaker 5: you know, starting to put it together, Karl Laws and

630
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Speaker 5: playing really good coming off of the edge. And they're

631
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Speaker 5: doing this without you know, a lot of their their

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Speaker 5: long standing veterans being in place, and and some of

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Speaker 5: those guys who have been bigger parts of this football team.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious for both of you. We'll start with you, Tony.

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Speaker 5: The idea of being able to play better when maybe

636
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 5: you're you're you're missing better quote unquote players, Like, how

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Speaker 5: does that How does that unit play better with maybe

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Speaker 5: lesser talents qute unquote for lack of a better term.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think you just find out who what type

640
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 6: of players you have, and I think you know it's

641
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 6: hear it all the time. As the next man up,

642
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 6: and you get your opportunity to either expand your career

643
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 6: in the NFL or take a step back and they'll

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Speaker 6: go on to someone else. So that I think that

645
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 6: every time you get an opportunity, especially the situation for

646
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 6: the Cowboys issue decimated by injuries. It's all been We've

647
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 6: all talked about it week in and week out. But

648
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 6: I think now you're seeing as guys getting the opportunity

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Speaker 6: and taking advantage of it. And really, I think, for me,

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Speaker 6: I'm impressed with what they've done. Now you look at

651
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 6: the who the they the games that they've won. You know,

652
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 6: people are like, well, they really haven't beaten one. Well

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Speaker 6: that really doesn't matter because you know there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of carnage going on about I don't know, six weeks

655
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Speaker 6: ago when whenever Dak got injured and Cooper Rush comes

656
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Speaker 6: in and he's what three and three and thrown over

657
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Speaker 6: a thousand yards and ten touchdowns, I believe, so he's

658
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Speaker 6: came in and like fill that void. But these younger guys,

659
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Speaker 6: especially getting the opportunity to play, and and and you

660
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 6: mentioned before we win the break, Bobby, is that it's

661
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 6: not just about number one picks. It's about when you

662
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 6: look at the roster, it's only made up of like

663
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 6: you know, when you look at the you know, the

664
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 6: type of picks in the first second round. The rest

665
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 6: of these guys sprinkled air like free agents, the guys

666
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 6: going out to evaluate talent. So what we see now

667
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 6: is like the guys are they're playing for something, whether

668
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 6: it's a contract year, whether it's.

669
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: You know, my opportunity. Am I going to fit in here?

670
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: And I want to be here?

671
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 6: So give me a reason not to cut you and

672
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 6: not bring you back, give me a reason to keep you.

673
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 6: And I think these guys the valuable reps, and these

674
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 6: guys are taking advantage of that.

675
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what you I see.

676
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 6: You you see more a person's character when it's easy

677
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 6: to like mel it In, We've I've been on teams

678
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 6: where there's no yeah you've.

679
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Been there, right, yes, yeah, I mean you can.

680
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 6: It's like, hey, people are already already talking about what

681
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 6: they're going to do in the off season with six

682
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 6: weeks left in the season. So I think now that

683
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 6: says a lot about what these these kids are doing

684
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 6: and really taking advantage of the opportunity. Because Nate, you

685
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 6: know this and everyone know you don't get those opportunities

686
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 6: that much, especially when some guys playing in front of you.

687
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: I always say, like, you know, what's uh, when the.

688
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 6: Guy gets injured, be careful because the guy behind you

689
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 6: may take your job. And so I think that that's

690
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 6: kind of the mindset you got to have, is like

691
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 6: I want that job.

692
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: What I need to do to get it?

693
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 6: And you know, we know what you need to go

694
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 6: out there and and and show that you can get

695
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 6: the job done and that you're a legit player in

696
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 6: the National Football League.

697
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 5: Nate, I know one of the things that you've talked

698
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: about that from the last two years when we've sat

699
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 5: on these shows that you want to see you want

700
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: to see a little more intensity, you want you want

701
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: to see a little bit more dog. When there was

702
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 5: a on the Jalen Tolbert touchdown, I think it was

703
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 5: out of the eleven guys on the field, seven of

704
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 5: those guys were undrafted free agents. Do you think part

705
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 5: of what we're seeing in terms of things kind of

706
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 5: gelling together right now is that that hunger and that

707
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: that that drive and that fight that that comes from

708
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 5: that background of these guys fighting to stay on the

709
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 5: roster as long as they have, with their background of

710
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 5: being undrafted, fedg do you think that that's given some

711
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 5: of that edge that you've been looking for.

712
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: They they have done a great job.

713
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 8: Yes, they have not played the higher epchelon of the

714
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 8: of the league. They've played kind of bottom feeders, which

715
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 8: they are right now. What I've like is Tony said,

716
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 8: these guys are free most of them are free agents.

717
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 8: They have had three weeks here, even with the Cincinnati game,

718
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 8: they've had three weeks where they're building confidence. We did

719
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 8: the same thing, Tony. We built confidence on the bottom

720
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 8: feeders like we were. We were bottom feeders. So you're

721
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 8: building confidence to see can you get now these next

722
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 8: three weeks time for Philadelphia and Washington, these guys knowing

723
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 8: that they can't lose because they're gonna.

724
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: Lose valuable spots.

725
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 8: We're gonna get a chance to see these guys on

726
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 8: a different level now. So that is what I'm waiting for.

727
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 8: I'm waiting for times to go see to continue to

728
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 8: do what he's doing. I'm waiting on these This young

729
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 8: linebacker thirty five, I can't keep doing. Yeah, I don't

730
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 8: want to mess up his name. I mean, see us

731
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 8: I mean, everybody can't a tough one. Yeah, so it's

732
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 8: difficult get off me. I'mre about that. I looked at

733
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 8: my screenshot the name like okayn't. But anyway, all of

734
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 8: these guys, all of these backups, you're getting a chance,

735
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 8: see because.

736
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: All of our wide receivers.

737
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 8: Barron cd lamb has been question marks, big question marks.

738
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 8: You got three weeks against better than average teams to

739
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 8: show who you are. And so this is the fight

740
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 8: I've been looking for out of these young guys. This

741
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 8: is the experience we've been hoping to get from these

742
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 8: young guys, which we wouldn't have got if this year wouldn't.

743
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: Have started like he did. So now, now will you

744
00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: have that end?

745
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 8: When you play a team that's talent talent man for

746
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 8: man is better than you d Tampa Bay Bucks, man

747
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 8: for man is better than us, how.

748
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: Will you perform this time?

749
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: You know?

750
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 6: I think I think what happens too is like when

751
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 6: you have injuries, yes your team, like your quarterback and

752
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 6: some of your main mainstream quarter the players you have

753
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 6: in your team, all of a sudden, it's human nature,

754
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 6: sit back and like, dang, what are we gonna do?

755
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: Now?

756
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 6: We don't have Dak, we don't have you don't have

757
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 6: our Mica, we don't have our best player.

758
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? And then after you get

759
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: over that, it's like we still got to go after

760
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: and ball out. We still have our job to do.

761
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 6: And I think that that's the point when you're to

762
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 6: your point, uh Nate, these next Tampa Bay, they're a

763
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 6: good team. You got the Eagles and then you got Washington.

764
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 6: I mean, if they can win one or two, you know, three,

765
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 6: I don't know, two games, I mean, that would be phenomenal.

766
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 6: But I think what you mentioned is that playing with

767
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 6: the edge and the urgency, that's the thing that you

768
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 6: want to see because you know, that's that's the easiest

769
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 6: thing to do. And is you know, is weird does

770
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 6: that sound? People are like, well, I'm just supposed to

771
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 6: go out there and play hard and like you know,

772
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 6: you know, have this ferocity.

773
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: Well there's a lot.

774
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 6: Of guys that don't do that, and collectively they start

775
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 6: setting back again just getting all like just shock about

776
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 6: the people they don't have and the people that we

777
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 6: do have to play with. And I think that that's

778
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 6: what the leadership and playing hard it really takes over

779
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 6: and really covers covers up some of that.

780
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 8: I've been on teams I don't know about Tony. I've

781
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 8: been on teams well with three weeks leven the season.

782
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 8: Hey man, who's the best storage place?

783
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: What is? Who do you call? You know?

784
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: I'm moving to.

785
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 8: Session and SUSI who's the safest I've been on teams

786
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 8: like that.

787
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: Where s the we book our vacation and the things.

788
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 8: Sometimes, I'm telling you, especially on a way game. Your

789
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 8: last game of the year is on a way game,

790
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 8: So everybody's kind of boozing it up, having fun on

791
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 8: the plane, you know, because that Monday we come in.

792
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 4: We just signed. You know, I had a year with

793
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 4: this pass membery of we never up.

794
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: On the plane? What are you talking about?

795
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's against league policy. Certainly didn't.

796
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 8: They were passing the paper round on the plane. Uh

797
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 8: what's of the sheet they would passed?

798
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: Are you injured?

799
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 10: No, you would sign away, but that's right, the expensit.

800
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 10: But did on the plane, bro, because you didn't want

801
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 10: to go in. I just want I don't even want

802
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 10: to go in.

803
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 6: I'll come back and clean my locker out some Hey, buck,

804
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 6: you take care of me.

805
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 5: So I'm curious that when you guys talking about because

806
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 5: here's the thing. When you watch the offensive line for

807
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 5: instance last couple weeks defensive defensive side of the ball

808
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: in general, you watched the way a brock offfin plays

809
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 5: or that the hair on Fire style that like marisleaf I.

810
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: That we were just talking about.

811
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: I love that kid.

812
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: He's he's so much fun and so intense. Is that

813
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 5: as tageous for you're on the field. That is contagious

814
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 5: for the guys on the field as it looks like

815
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 5: it is from from.

816
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 8: Heavy Gogan, Eric Williams, Fuss Kevin Tony Tober was that

817
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 8: kind of mean guy?

818
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: You know?

819
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 8: Uh yeah? And they called you out in the film.

820
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 8: I don't know if they did it with y'all. They

821
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 8: call you in the film you want to take your money? Man, Hey,

822
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 8: you should get fined for that right now. The way

823
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 8: that just did that was the worst part. It seemed

824
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 8: like you going the next day and you're watching film.

825
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 8: You know that you this got just.

826
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 6: It happens, Yeah, it happens, and then you're just gonna

827
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 6: get your ass just tore up.

828
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: Sorry for lack of better what happens.

829
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 6: But then you got like Charles Hayley is like hey,

830
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 6: and you're like, okay, I know this play right here,

831
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 6: I got to reach and they gained like ten yards

832
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 6: and maybe maybe the coach won't see it, and you know,

833
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 6: the player will go by it. And then Charles say, hey,

834
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 6: wait wait, wait right right that back you can see.

835
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: Us, Like what are you calling me out like that?

836
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 6: So so there was some accountability in there, because you

837
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 6: don't want to be embarrassing next he I mean, I

838
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 6: think that's the worst anxiety for me was like going

839
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 6: and watching film next day and liked my teammate. Yeah,

840
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 6: and then like I just felt like I should have

841
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 6: did better on that play.

842
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: I should have did this and that.

843
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 6: And then but your playing, your your your your boys

844
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 6: would call you out.

845
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: They make sure the coach didn't miss anything.

846
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 5: Now, could you? You said, Charles, do that's you? If

847
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 5: you guys ever saw that happen to Charles, was anybody

848
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 5: brave enough to say, Charles went running back?

849
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: Let's see what Charles did?

850
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: Hell yes, yea, he who was who was most.

851
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 5: Consistently gonna getna stop it down to roll back Charles

852
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: to Tobert.

853
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 4: Rolling back Russ.

854
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 8: And but the thing about it was Charles always gonna

855
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 8: have some logical explanation why he got did what he did.

856
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying you had.

857
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was like trying to play those power rolls

858
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 6: and those counters coach. I'm not I'm a I'm an

859
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 6: edge rusher. Yeah, that's an edge rusher. Yeah.

860
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 8: And Eric will call you out, man, I mean, Eric

861
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 8: would more call you out in.

862
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: The preparation of the week, you know.

863
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 8: And uh, you try to give a guy credit, Eric

864
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 8: would not let you give a defensive line of credit.

865
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 8: He just you know, I'd be like, hey man, this

866
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 8: guy got long arms.

867
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 4: Hey man, what's you quit what you're doing? You ain't

868
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: going at the game playoffs and give it to this guy.

869
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Now.

870
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 4: Punk that subtle you know, you know.

871
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 6: In this group right here, the wall that will be

872
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 6: going for these guys played with so much continuity, Uh,

873
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 6: like an umbilical cord. I think offensive linemen, especially in

874
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 6: this understanding the game and understanding each other's characteristics and

875
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 6: nuances and you.

876
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Know, the favorite food or whatever it may be.

877
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 6: I mean, there was a lot of brotherhood with that,

878
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 6: and that's what made him so unique because they did,

879
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 6: like Eric, Man, that dude was a man.

880
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: He was a dog man.

881
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 6: He's telling you, man, hey, so you remember so right

882
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 6: before they introduced us, you know, like during the game,

883
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 6: you know, we all get you know, we'd all have

884
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 6: two lines on each side. And remember Big E. He

885
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 6: would run out there and he'd be so jacked up.

886
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 6: You would not want to put your arm out there.

887
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 6: Would breaking give me a high five when he came.

888
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 6: He hit my arm one time. I swear to god,

889
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 6: I was gonna have to be an active because I

890
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 6: thought he brought my mom.

891
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: I learned my lesson. But that was Big E.

892
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 8: It was intensely Larry Allen and Big Ee warmed up

893
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 8: with one another.

894
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: Oh god.

895
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 8: And because I warmed up with Biggie one time and

896
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 8: I was kind of, you know, half doing it warming up,

897
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 8: because yeah, everybody warmed up a little different.

898
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 4: So I didn't need all that.

899
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 8: I want to have a set amount of plays. I

900
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 8: was gonna make it the game. So I got in

901
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 8: front of Big Eg. We were going down the line, punching.

902
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 8: Punched that punched that. Biggie punched me. Man, I dropped

903
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 8: to my knees. I looked at big I said, that's it.

904
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: I got fifty today.

905
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 10: I would have he would use tape, a whole roll

906
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 10: of tape on one finger.

907
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Speaker 4: Come on, man.

908
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 6: And then then he had I don't know what did

909
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 6: he do his own him Like his t shirt had

910
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 6: all these different holes in there.

911
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: There's like holes everywhere.

912
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 6: Big I thought maybe he got mad or something or

913
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 6: just but big Eie, he was before you. Some adversity

914
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 6: happened that dude Hall of Fame player, just like this

915
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 6: cat right here next to he was intense to I

916
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 6: mean I Biggie the other day.

917
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: Man, he just that dude, he's so spoke. Yeah, deacon

918
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: into church.

919
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 6: He was smoking until he went he went on, he

920
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 6: crossed that line and like all of a sudden, it

921
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 6: was like all haills breaking loose.

922
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good stories there from Date Newton and Tony Casias.

923
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: We're gonna take our final break here in the SLBBC

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Speaker 5: Cowboys Crosstalk. When we talk or when we come back,

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Speaker 5: can we take a look ahead a little bit at

926
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Speaker 5: Tampa Bay and what the Cowboys need to accomplish here

927
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Speaker 5: over the last three weeks.

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Speaker 3: That's next on the SBbc Cowboys Crosstalk.

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Speaker 3: We are live from the Cowboys Club at.

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Speaker 5: The Star in Frisco for the final segment here of

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Speaker 5: the SLBBC Cowboys Crosstalk on Bobby Belt from one o

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Speaker 5: five ft fan. I got the three time Super Bowl champ,

940
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 5: six time Pro Bowler Nate Newton with me as always,

941
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Speaker 5: and tonight we are joined by College Football Hall of Fame,

942
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 5: were two times Super Bowl champ, All Pro Tony Cassius.

943
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: Tony, thank you again for joining us.

944
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 5: Appreciate you hanging around telling stories this evening. And you

945
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 5: know it's been the best just watching every week. This

946
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 5: is my favorite brother show every week, Nate. Just seeing

947
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 5: old teammates and and and high five and then telling old.

948
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 3: Stories and stuff like that.

949
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 5: It's, uh, it's always the coolest part about coming up here.

950
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 4: And so Tony did an inverted tampering, Yes.

951
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: He did, he did, he did.

952
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 5: He did the inverted tampering and then technically when wanstat

953
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 5: called you while you were in Tulsa, that was his tampering.

954
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on, so long ago, statue of limitations.

955
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm curious, do you guys, let's talk

956
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 5: about that the real quick just the idea of when

957
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 5: you guys were in the league, was that something that

958
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 5: would go a were you like? You know, that sort

959
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 5: of stuff happens. People have conversations with other plays and

960
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 5: it's it's just it's you just don't be dumb about it.

961
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 5: You don't be loud about it.

962
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 6: I don't know, that's pretty loud about it. I know,

963
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 6: I just uh, I think that you think about it.

964
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 6: And what's with social media, you don't have to really

965
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 6: say a whole lot. You can say something and it's

966
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 6: kind of like spread right, But the way we did it,

967
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 6: it's more like a personal conversation. And I think that

968
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 6: that's uh, depends on your situation and everything. But you know,

969
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 6: sometimes you have to do things that you they aren't

970
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 6: the conventional way.

971
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, absolutely.

972
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Speaker 5: Now when we look at how Dallas is going to

973
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 5: finish up this season, you know, obviously there's still a

974
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 5: shot at the postseason they're gonna keep playing through all

975
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 5: the way through until that. If this, if this falls

976
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 5: with the percentages, which is what appears like at this point,

977
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 5: and they fall short of the postseason this year, what

978
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 5: is it that you think can be of value for

979
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 5: this team down the stretch of the in the last

980
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 5: three weeks where even if there is a sense where

981
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 5: they get eliminated. Is it something as simple as Mazzie

982
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 5: Smith finishing the season strong, the way he's played the

983
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 5: last few weeks and building that confidence, or you know, Nate,

984
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 5: you know brock hoffin showing I can play guard or center,

985
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 5: whatever you need me to do, and knowing that.

986
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 3: You have that flexibility.

987
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 5: What is it that that you think is of value

988
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 5: for this team outside of just the playoff push? What's

989
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 5: valuable for this team to do over these final few weeks.

990
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 6: I do like the way Mazie is kind of finishing

991
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 6: because I think we've cleared myself a lot of people

992
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 6: are criticized, or because it's his third year in the

993
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 6: league right second second, so I think maybe the hope

994
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 6: of the light switch comes on and you want to

995
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 6: see him play, play angry if you will, or just

996
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 6: with that urgency. So I think that that you're learning

997
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 6: a lot about this team. I think again, it would

998
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 6: be a good test to win at home against Tampa

999
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 6: Bay start there, because there's a lot of teams in

1000
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 6: the NFL that have a lot of injuries. You know,

1001
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 6: this one was a little bit more monumental for for Dallas.

1002
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: But you can't use that excuse.

1003
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 6: I mean, that's your job is to go out there

1004
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 6: and play regardless of what situations are. So I think

1005
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 6: I think the players that the younger players, Uh, the

1006
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 6: Marvin Overshan, I thought, he again, this is tragic what

1007
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 6: happened to his name, and that dude was balling. I mean,

1008
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 6: he's a great example of a guy just having a

1009
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 6: lot of talent.

1010
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: But I think you're finding out like the Jordan.

1011
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 6: Lewis is the guy you know the contract year Osa,

1012
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 6: you know, I'm not even going out Yeah, I mean

1013
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 6: he he has really come on. I mean he is

1014
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 6: has played really well. So I think he just want

1015
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 6: to continue the pattern of winning it at home. And really

1016
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 6: just because I think this year and I look at

1017
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 6: this that they've had, they've had all the everything, all

1018
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 6: their pieces together, and it's been kind of disappointing in

1019
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 6: some games. I think this is more desperation, if you will,

1020
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 6: because just you pride and really just kind of being

1021
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 6: the guy that runs the party for Tampa Bay.

1022
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: You know, Eagles already in.

1023
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 6: But my point being is like, let's finish this and

1024
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 6: then that way we at least have something to build on.

1025
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 6: This hasn't been a very good year by their standards,

1026
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 6: but at least have something to build on going to

1027
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 6: the next season as opposed to losing the last three games.

1028
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 6: I don't think you want to end your season like

1029
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 6: regardless of who you have out on the field.

1030
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 5: Right and to your point on OsO Diggi Zua, you'll

1031
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 5: like this note Nate, last seven weeks, over the last

1032
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 5: seven weeks of the NFL season, OsO Diggi Zoo leads

1033
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 5: the NFL in quarterback hits. He has one more than

1034
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett. So that's the kind of level that Os

1035
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 5: has been. You can hit the quarterback now, oh yeah, oh,

1036
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 5: I mean as much as you will. Hitting the quarterback

1037
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 5: I think is just like a little uh is a

1038
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 5: little or like what Kevin Smith told us he used

1039
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 5: to do to Jerry Rice, Like that's the equivalent of exactly, Uh, Nate,

1040
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: what do you want to see here in these final

1041
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 5: couple weeks.

1042
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 8: We have a chance now to not only sign Michael

1043
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 8: Parsons next year, but you can see now that four

1044
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 8: or five of these guys on defense you have to sign.

1045
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 8: You cannot let these guys walk away like we have

1046
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 8: done offensively the last few years. You have to go

1047
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 8: up against the cap. You have to sign some of

1048
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 8: these guys. They have shown you that they are ready.

1049
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 8: I'm not saying they're starters for but they can give

1050
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 8: you thirty and thirty and twenty five snaps, twenty five

1051
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 8: to thirty snap.

1052
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: We have to sign some of these guys.

1053
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 8: If we don't do that right there, you might have

1054
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 8: just not even played the season.

1055
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 5: In my opedion, there's a uh you know, Brian brought

1056
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 5: us who works with us at the fan. You used

1057
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 5: to be a personal guy. He had it sets up

1058
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 5: recently where he said, you know what, as a personal guy,

1059
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 5: the thing you always hated was you hate developing talent

1060
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 5: for somebody else to use.

1061
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: You feel like a farm team.

1062
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you hate when you hate when you you bring

1063
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 5: somebody along like like Chauncey Golston playing really well. Oh

1064
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 5: soo DIGGI Zuo are playing really well. Rico Dudle like

1065
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 5: these I was playing really well and then knowing free

1066
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 5: agencies on the horizon, and and you just hope, like, hey,

1067
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 5: let's let's figure out a way to make this happen,

1068
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 5: make this work.

1069
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 6: It's it's not just your franchise guys, your quarterback or receiver,

1070
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 6: and there's there's guys that you have to have a

1071
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 6: lot of confidence and believe in them and just by

1072
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 6: what they you know, they don't fill the proven.

1073
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 5: Themselves absolutely Sunday night against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh Nate,

1074
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 5: I guess I don't need who you're picking Cowboys, that

1075
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 5: Tony who you're picking? Yeah, Box, it's close. It's close.

1076
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: Twenty seven to twenty one Cowboys.

1077
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 4: There you go.

1078
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 5: They said they were gonna go seventeen other year soon.

1079
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 5: Nowhere's studying about about for day Duton Tonic season by Belt.

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00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 5: We'll talk to you guys again next week.

1081
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: Bye.

1082
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

1083
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