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<v Speaker 1>I've got a great book.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to recommend you got to get started reading it,

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<v Speaker 2>though it's going to take you fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one more thing, Oh jees more Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>One more thing is it Ulysses? Because I think I've

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<v Speaker 3>been working on that for nine months and I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>finished it yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Ulysses is a pamphlet you get at your doctor's office.

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<v Speaker 3>Compared to this book, stay with us. It's a business card.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to talk about this on Tuesday's Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 3>Getty radio show. I don't think we've ever done a

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<v Speaker 3>tease in the One More Thing podcast for the radio show,

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<v Speaker 3>but just came across this. So when they started cracking

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<v Speaker 3>down on illegals up in Wisconsin where you got a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of dairy farm stuff like that, a variety of

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<v Speaker 3>dairy farmers started getting robots and you got one farm

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<v Speaker 3>now that produces three times more milk per worker now

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<v Speaker 3>because of the robots they hired doing a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>work on the dairy farm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Yeah, it's achieved the same thing and artificially hymen

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<v Speaker 2>them wage. Would I suppose I hope you don't convince

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<v Speaker 2>his people. Hey, it's worth it to invest in the technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta hope you don't get your teeth pulled off.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody wants that get your ringer?

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<v Speaker 1>Is the old saying used to go?

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<v Speaker 3>Made Katie WinCE enough? Very that would be that would

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<v Speaker 3>be very painful. In my opinion, Yes, I think so ill.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody does laundry anymore with that sort of system where

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<v Speaker 3>you're actually putting clothes through a ringer to dry them out.

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<v Speaker 3>We have dryers now, so the chance of getting your

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<v Speaker 3>breasticle caught in a ringer is.

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<v Speaker 1>Very righted, it's much lower, certainly.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently back in the day that that saying was popularized,

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<v Speaker 2>women didn't have enough, like multiple shirts to throw one

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<v Speaker 2>on during the process of the ringing.

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<v Speaker 3>Good God, that would hurt. Oh was that a regular occurrence?

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<v Speaker 3>My grandma were so alive. I'd ask her because she

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<v Speaker 3>had laundry like that regular enough cord question to ask.

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<v Speaker 4>My grandma, Yeah, agreed, any any any I can only

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<v Speaker 4>imagine it's not probably not as bad as the balls,

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<v Speaker 4>but I mean any incident with the boob is just not.

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<v Speaker 3>Get your testicles caught in the ringer. You're doing your

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<v Speaker 3>laundry in a weird way.

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<v Speaker 1>I get more leverage.

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<v Speaker 2>So I find this so interesting and I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to I am going to dig into this a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>The article is entitled the Strangest Book in Harvard Library,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the strangest book in any library. And this

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<v Speaker 2>piece was written by Ted Joya, who I love. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of the Inmand Diary.

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<v Speaker 3>Jackie, had you ever heard of that?

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<v Speaker 2>You're very literary? He has not, Folks, Katie, the Inmand

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<v Speaker 2>Diary no, by like how Jack just walked. I've lost

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<v Speaker 2>interest myself. I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard of it, but I don't remember what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I just walked off.

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<v Speaker 2>On the opening page, the book's editor makes a bold

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<v Speaker 2>claim this work has no counterpart in any literature that

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<v Speaker 2>I am aware of. The author, Arthur Inman, was obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with winning some sort of fame or immortality, but he

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<v Speaker 2>really had no way to do it. As he himself wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>the only way for him to win fame, perhaps even immortality,

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<v Speaker 2>would be to write a diary unlike any ever written.

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<v Speaker 2>It would contain the kind of information that he had

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<v Speaker 2>looked for and never found in other diaries, which Joy

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<v Speaker 2>points out seems like an impossible goal, because there are many, many, dozens,

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<v Speaker 2>if not hundreds, of diaries from Augustine to Rousseau to whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>Samuel peeps right, who had famous diaries that are fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>relics of their time. So what could Arthur Edman do

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<v Speaker 2>in the twentieth century that hadn't already been done before?

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<v Speaker 2>Adding to the challenge, Inmann had practically nothing to write about,

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<v Speaker 2>or so it seemed. He was a semi invalid who

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<v Speaker 2>spent most of his life in.

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<v Speaker 1>A darkened room.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh geez, even recluses like Proust and Pyncheon are gadabouts

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<v Speaker 3>by Commerson writes, joy, Wow, he spent his whole life

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<v Speaker 3>in a darkened room and then kept a diary and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm supposed to read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Brace yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, Inman wrote some seventeen million words and filled one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty five volumes now housed in Harvard's Houton Library.

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<v Speaker 2>That's roughly twenty five times as long as the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>He devoted forty years to this project from nineteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and he continued working on until shortly after his death

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty. Before his death, rather, he didn't work

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<v Speaker 2>on it after his death. Before in nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>June sixth, nineteen twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, sitting in the room again, same dark room I

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<v Speaker 2>referred to in yesterday's post, And for that matter, the

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<v Speaker 2>day before you ever wonder about getting your tit and

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<v Speaker 2>a ringer? Ill, I bought myself a ringer, And as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I cranked and pressed my chest against anyway, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird thing happened got my testicle.

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<v Speaker 1>Cat. I thought I had more leverage.

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<v Speaker 3>I was squatting down to get a good firm footing.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, he'll never guess what happened next.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the actual diary, here's where it gets crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the twist that actually got him the immortality

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that he was looking for. He took

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<v Speaker 2>ads in the newspaper offering to hire talkers who would

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<v Speaker 2>tell him the wildest and most intimate details of their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>The end result was a diary with more than one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand characters' striving with one another to provide the most compelling, uncensored,

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly honest narratives of their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>That is fascinating. There needs to be an abridged version.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this, though, oh yes, please, yes, please, Abridging it

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<v Speaker 2>would take thirty years. That crowd sourced approach turned the

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<v Speaker 2>Inmand journals into a compendium of confessions unlike anything ever

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<v Speaker 2>written down.

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<v Speaker 1>To be sure, so he.

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<v Speaker 2>Paid his talkers, as he called them, a dollar an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, depending on when in the project it was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at least enough money to show up, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of these people he talked to were

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<v Speaker 2>kind of down and outers. He often went beyond listening

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<v Speaker 2>having sexual relations with some of the women who.

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<v Speaker 1>Took the job.

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<v Speaker 3>What by by any definition, outo.

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<v Speaker 2>And he'd say, you know, he'd have him spill their

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<v Speaker 2>sexual secrets or whatever. And I'm guessing he'd say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of getting me horned up, how about you?

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<v Speaker 3>And if they said, yeah, kind of, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a good line. Yeah, well I don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Man inn't them. But by any definition, he was

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<v Speaker 2>a creepy guy whose behavior violated all reasonable norms, even

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<v Speaker 2>as editor Daniel Aaron admits that this disturbed individual's massive

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<v Speaker 2>journal quote is the autobiography of a warped and deeply

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<v Speaker 2>troubled man whose aberrations call for psychiatric probing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's super interesting. They gotta have ai A bridget, because

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<v Speaker 3>it would take too long for any human obviously. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you can feed that into AI and have it a

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<v Speaker 3>bridget somehow and turn it into a you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>manageable eight hundred pages or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you'd have to hire a team of twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like grad students in editing or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He often closed the diaries with the send off, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Wish I were dead. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet he also saw himself in a heroic light, dreaming

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<v Speaker 2>of the posthumous fame his massive diary would eventually bring.

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<v Speaker 3>You well, see you tomorrow, wish I was dead.

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<v Speaker 2>His talkers were extraordinarily trusting in handed Perhaps the darkened

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<v Speaker 2>room in the quasi anonymity of the setting made it

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<v Speaker 2>feel like an actual confessional. Maybe it's even simpler. People

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to reveal their darkest secrets and still do as

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<v Speaker 2>cites somebody sayas, and we'll seek out settings where it

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<v Speaker 2>can happen. Or perhaps the reality is more banal and tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>These folks simply needed the cash, and Edmand was the

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<v Speaker 2>only person paying for their secrets. Sometimes Inman's talkers showed

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<v Speaker 2>up with stories to tell, but if they were reticent,

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<v Speaker 2>he would immediately start probing. Here is his account of

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<v Speaker 2>a first meeting with missus Haviland, never brought back for

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<v Speaker 2>a second session because she was too quote unquote sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked her how old she was, how long she'd

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<v Speaker 2>been married, whether she loved her husband, whether he loved her,

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<v Speaker 2>whether she loved her son or husband best, why she'd

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<v Speaker 2>been to the hospital lately, whether she used contraceptives, how

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<v Speaker 2>much salary your husband made, who her ancestors were, how

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<v Speaker 2>she budgeted her money, if she believed in God? How

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<v Speaker 2>many friends she had, What did she look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>in life? What sort of childhood she'd had? Was she

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<v Speaker 2>calm or emotional? Did she read like music, the movies?

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<v Speaker 1>And so on?

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<v Speaker 3>Most of her answers I believed some I didn't. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 3>So is this available anywhere? Is it online or anything?

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<v Speaker 1>That is a good question I can dig into that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recall seeing that I read the article, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a couple of weeks ago, and I've just

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<v Speaker 2>been holding on to it.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes.

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt that inmund Diary could still be published by

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard University Press nowadays. There's just too much in its pages.

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<v Speaker 2>In its pages rather to upset dismay, shock, and appall.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you aren't offended by Inman's dealings with his talkers,

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<v Speaker 2>you will inevitably invariably find his opinions on politics, society, religion, race,

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<v Speaker 2>and a host of other matters reprehensible in whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Or in part. Well, let me make it clear.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. If you're the kind of person who needs a

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<v Speaker 2>trigger warning, proceed no further.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Well, the guy I would read this sort of

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<v Speaker 3>thing for that sort of stuff, that's what you're looking for,

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<v Speaker 3>and he says.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a historian.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just absolutely I'm valuable. So I'm looking at h Amazon,

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<v Speaker 3>number one bookseller in the world, The Inman Diary of

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<v Speaker 3>Public and Private Conficient Confession by Arthur C. Inman. There

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<v Speaker 3>all are volumes you can buy The Inmand Diary of

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<v Speaker 3>Public and Private Confession. Yeah, it's split into two pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like from a darkened room, the Inmand Diary.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. I'll have to look into this more.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's got to be way, way way abridged obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which is good. But they mentioned he mentions. Inman's

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<v Speaker 2>talkers didn't seem very interested in self censorship, and many

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<v Speaker 2>clearly savored the opportunity to tell their raw stories without

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<v Speaker 2>fear of consequences or judgment. They're a strange assortment. But

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<v Speaker 2>where else will you find a book written in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirties, or on a single page you encounter a

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<v Speaker 2>first hand account of pimping, prostitution, bootlegging, bribing, drug addiction, homosexuality, rape,

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<v Speaker 2>illegal gambling, drunkenness, police violence, a stint in bellevue, and

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<v Speaker 2>even glimmerings of a philosophy of life. The appearance of

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<v Speaker 2>a skilled musician who tickle the ivories is just an extra.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you doubt me? Here's an extract from the testimony

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<v Speaker 2>of Anthony Obruso of age twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a whole page.

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<v Speaker 3>That's truly interesting. I'm uh, you know, maybe I heard

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<v Speaker 3>about it last year and I forgot. I'm capable of that,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm surprised I didn't know about this, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to look into it. The volumes that are available, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I see one here from ninety six.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a bridge down to It's down to five hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and ninety two pages.

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<v Speaker 3>God taste doable, Wow, seven million words or whatever reason

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<v Speaker 3>it was, Yeah, making five hundred pages out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit me with a link that link if you would, Katie.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I could replicate your search, but why all right,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just hit you with one paragraph. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>from the nineteen thirties. I was making seventeen dollars. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the piano player. I was making seventeen dollars a week.

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<v Speaker 2>I hired a room. One day, I decided to find

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<v Speaker 2>out what women was all about. I knew where the

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<v Speaker 2>red light district was. He it's a black guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>he like writes it in the dialect, so I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>read what's in front of me. I knew where the

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<v Speaker 2>red light district was, so I went there. I got

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<v Speaker 2>myself a Southern girl. She showed me what it was

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<v Speaker 2>all about. I took to it like a fish to

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<v Speaker 2>water me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a country girl to come to New York to

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<v Speaker 2>make a success. She'd hit the bumps and landed up

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<v Speaker 2>a prostitute. She was twenty three. She tried waking for

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<v Speaker 2>a boss, but didn't like it none, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>on her own. She was a nice baby. She took

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<v Speaker 2>dope and wanted me to, but I told her no, dice.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't make me pay. Three other prostitutes I had

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<v Speaker 2>did though. Then there was a stenographer. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of sex with her. I just liked her. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a housemaid in the Bronx. She didn't cost

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<v Speaker 2>me nothing. As a matter of fact, I borrowed money

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<v Speaker 2>from her and never paid it back.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he gets into all the rest of it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna hit you with one more bit. I became

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<v Speaker 2>more and more of an inebriate. One night, a taxi

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<v Speaker 2>hit me. Then I got to see in things. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw a street car running off the tracks and heading

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<v Speaker 2>straight for me. I guess I screamed. A cop grabbed me.

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<v Speaker 2>I socked him.

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<v Speaker 1>He socked me.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he takes me to the psycho pathic ward at

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<v Speaker 3>Bellevue Hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>What a place.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for two weeks. They gave me ether

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<v Speaker 2>and alcohol to cure me. You'd never seen such a

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<v Speaker 2>place as them. Two wards. Drunks sprawling on the floor

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<v Speaker 2>on mattresses, drunks trembling and seeing things and having dts

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<v Speaker 2>and losing up their guts. Guards beating up drunks. Insane

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<v Speaker 2>men and straight jackets and insane men out of straight jackets,

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<v Speaker 2>and moaning and hollering and shouting. Honestly, mister mmon, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the first time in my life that I had

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<v Speaker 2>ever given thought to my fellow creatures as individuals. Hitherto

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<v Speaker 2>I had just lived, done no thinking whatsoever. It was

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<v Speaker 2>also the first time I had ever given my thought

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<v Speaker 2>to my future.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeez, I did some thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, the inmund Diaries.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll check it out.

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<v Speaker 5>Check it out to tell the story of my dad

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<v Speaker 5>squatting over a campfire and there were some high pitched

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<v Speaker 5>yells and well, anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good story, well short but compelling.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, I'm not going to tell the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess that's it. What a cliffhanger is?

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell