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Speaker 1: And another question, was there an image of her? A

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace? How did it all start? Listen? My

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Speaker 1: I've been searching for her. September twentieth, nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: We lived in a town called Glen, New Mexico. It's

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Speaker 1: just disappear into thin air again. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is crime story. Thank you for being with us. You

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Speaker 1: were just hearing her sister, Michelle Doel with our friends

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Speaker 1: at ID. Let me introduce you an all star panel

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Speaker 1: joining me the former Montour County District Attorney, former president

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Speaker 1: O S Officers Suicide. Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner

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Speaker 1: for the entire state of Florida. You can find me

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Speaker 1: atpathcaremed dot com. Not only that, Lecturer University of Florida

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Speaker 1: you can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org. But first

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Speaker 1: to Melinda Escobell podcast or filmmaker. You can find her

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Speaker 1: at Tara Callico dot com. She's the creator of Vanished,

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Speaker 1: the Tara Callico Investigation. To all of you, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Melinda Escobell. What do we know

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Speaker 1: about Tara Callico as a person other than she would

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Speaker 1: take a seventeen mile bike ride and she used the

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Speaker 1: I don't, and I to be frank with you, I

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Speaker 1: don't believe it's her. Is this photo Tara Calico? And

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Speaker 1: if so, who's the little boy? Also pictured? Bound and

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Speaker 1: duct tape at the mouth and the back of the van?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Bob Buner. This is a type of photo.

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Speaker 1: This is very incriminating and how did it get all

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Speaker 1: the way to Port St. Joe, Florida? If this is her?

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00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: If it's her, then you've got some person who is

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Speaker 1: abducting people across the country. And it incredibly widens the

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Speaker 1: list of suspects to thousands and thousands of men. Frankly,

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00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and it also to doctor Jerry crossin Faculty Saint Leo University,

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00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: doctor Jorry. This adds another layer to the psychopathy of

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Speaker 1: the purp because you now have a guy that's not

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00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: just grabbing her to rape her. There's also obviously a murder,

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00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: but he's taking photos of her. I remember when that

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Speaker 1: photo was found Because Port Saint Joe's like twenty miles

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00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: from where I live. And yeah, that's that was really

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Speaker 1: scary because then you're starting to think, well, who's the

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00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: boy now? You know? Is he I remember? Looking locally?

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00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: You have all the law enforcement we're involved trying to

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Speaker 1: find the boy. Where was he missing from? So yeah,

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00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: it widens to the whole birth of your investigation. So

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00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: is this photo that's very disturbing photo of a girl

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Speaker 1: who resembles Tara and a young boy bound and gagged

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Speaker 1: in the back of a van. Is this really Tara?

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00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Nancy Laughlin KOA seven. At one

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Speaker 1: point a year after her disappearance, a photo of a

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Speaker 1: little boy and a young woman who looked like Tara,

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Speaker 1: both bound and duct taped, was found in the parking

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Speaker 1: lot of a store in Florida. We examined it and

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Speaker 1: scientifically looked at it. We felt pretty confident saying that

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Speaker 1: we don't think that's Tera. Callico. In recent years, huge

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Speaker 1: rewards were for information about Tara's case. Cold case detectives

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Speaker 1: from multiple agencies have even taken bulldozers and cadaver dogs

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Speaker 1: out to areas where they believed Tara might have been buried.

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00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: They go out and check an area out and see

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Speaker 1: if there's any kind of hit with the dog. And

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00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: we have not had any results. Thirty years later, she

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Speaker 1: is not forgotten, her case still generating national attention. In June,

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Speaker 1: an article about Tara's disappearance was featured in People magazine.

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Speaker 1: Every little piece can make a difference, to Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, we recently investigated

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Speaker 1: a case of a woman out of Alaska who found

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Speaker 1: a simcard at a store outside a store on the

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Speaker 1: sidewalk at Zari Call. She picked up the simcard to

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Speaker 1: figure out who it belonged to to return it. She

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00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: plugged it in and it was of a woman being

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Speaker 1: assaulted and murdered. And she takes to the cops and

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Speaker 1: they manage believe it or not to identify what happened

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Speaker 1: based on the background in the hotel room where the

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Speaker 1: woman was attacked. I've also had a case like that

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Speaker 1: built around a little girl who was assaulted horribly and

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Speaker 1: she was ultimately identified based on the background and the

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Speaker 1: bedspread and the wallpaper in a hotel room. So how

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Speaker 1: much can we learn from this van photo? You can

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Speaker 1: learn a ton looking at the sheets and the comforter.

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Speaker 1: Somebody might recognize that combination. It's really unusual. You can

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Speaker 1: see the female victim's legs really well, so you can

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Speaker 1: see that there are no tattoos, there's no bruising, there's

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Speaker 1: no cuts, she's not bound by her ankles. And in

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Speaker 1: the little boy's face, he's also on the bed land down,

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Speaker 1: but he almost looks like he's in more fear, whereas

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Speaker 1: the female to me looks like she has an understanding

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Speaker 1: of what's happening, if that makes sense. Now, it's my

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Speaker 1: understanding that Tara's mother believes that is Tara correct based

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Speaker 1: on a scar on her legs similar to one of

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Speaker 1: Tara's correct she does, and it does look like her

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Speaker 1: a lot. I don't think you could see that photograph

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Speaker 1: and not one at least somehow you know, determined for

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Speaker 1: sure if that's her. And I know the FBI as

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Speaker 1: well as scotland Yard has worked on the photograph, and

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00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: what do they think, Chary, The FBI says it's not her,

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Speaker 1: and scotland Yard believes that it is. Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace doctor Tim Gallagher. If you can identify a

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Speaker 1: body based on bones and teeth alone, and here we've

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00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: got a photo of a girl and Scotland Yard disagrees

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Speaker 1: with the FBI. I mean, well, right, so the identication

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: via the photograph, you know, is not an exact science

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00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: as determined by two places disagree, you know, so it

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00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: depends on the education and the experience of the person

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00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: analyzing the photographs, you know. But there are parts of

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00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: this case that could use further investigation. For instance, when

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00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: the bicycle was discovered and it was damaged, you know,

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00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: where was the damage. Was the damage on the back

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00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: part of the bike indicating it was struck from behind?

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00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: Or is the damage on the front part of the

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Speaker 1: bike indicating it may have been run off the road

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00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: and hit a tree? You know? So, um, could evidence

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Speaker 1: from the bike, for instance, pink chips from the bike

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00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: that can go under forensic analysis and you can actually

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Speaker 1: determine the main and model of the vehicle that struck

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Speaker 1: that bicycle based just on the pink chips. Yeah, so

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00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: you know that loss of evidence is very detrimental in

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00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: this case, obviously, but more so than we would initially

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00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: have thought. And Bob Uner, a former Montara County District attorney,

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00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. I remember prosecuting in Inner

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Speaker 1: City Atlanta, all felonies. The district attorney called me down

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00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: to his office and I didn't know what it was about.

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Speaker 1: He wanted me to retry a case that had been

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Speaker 1: tried when I was a first year law student, and

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00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: I of course took it. It It had gone all the

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00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: way up to the eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals and

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00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: been sent back down. You know why because there were

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Speaker 1: interlocking statements by two codefendants and they brought the statements

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Speaker 1: in so which as a big, big no, no, long

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Speaker 1: story short. I went to the evidence. Guess what I had.

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00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I had one X ray and I had a hat

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00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: that said kiss my bass. That's all the evidence that

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00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: was left. Nobody had tampered with it, nobody stole anything

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00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: the evidence. The property room had moved a couple of

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00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: times since this case was tried the first time, and

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00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: it got lost and it was never found. I had

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00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: to completely rebuild the case. So we're coming down and yes,

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00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: it's wrong, of course it's wrong, but properties lost every day.

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00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: The issue is was it properly processed before I was lost?

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Speaker 1: And were photographs taken of the bicycle when it was

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00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: first found and delivered to police custody, what detail of

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00:34:53,960 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: the photographs. Photographs are available and it could be analyzed. Yes,

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, when you go to court, you

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00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: present the evidence. It gets turned over to the court reporter.

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00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: Hopefully she doesn't lose it and give it back to

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00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: the police, or it ends up in the prosecutor's office

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00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: and they forget it to send it back to the

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Speaker 1: evidence room in the police department. There's a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of chain of custody that can get and does get interrupted.

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00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: Timland Escabell joining us the creator a vanished the Tara

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Speaker 1: Calico investigation. What about the guys in the truck? Okay,

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00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: So several the guys were young guys that we all

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00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: knew from school. One of them was in love with

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00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: her and had asked her out on a date, and

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00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: she had declined that invitation, and from what I understand,

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00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: was emotional about it, and you know, was not okay

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00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: with it and wanted to teach her lesson. He was

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00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: one of the people in the truck, and so they

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00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: were following her and taunting her throughout her ride. They

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00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: were taunting her on the way out, and they waited

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00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: for her to come back around and they were taunting

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00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: her on the way back, and from an ex girlfriend

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Speaker 1: that came forward, what we were told is that they

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00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: had they were cat calling her at one point, inviting

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Speaker 1: her to a party, you know, just tormenting her, and

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Speaker 1: she did have the music in her But I do

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00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: believe that she could have heard them, because there are

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Speaker 1: different witnesses that say they saw her face stressed on

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Speaker 1: the way going out, not necessarily the way back, but

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Speaker 1: on the way going out, her face looked already stressed.

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Speaker 1: And and then they you know, she was last seeing

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Speaker 1: on the hill and we believe she was hit after that,

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00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: and she took off running to the left because there

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00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: was a sense on the right, and that is where

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: they got her. That you know, she ran, They caught

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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: up with her, were in the truck following to catch

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00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: up with her. One on foot. They caught her and

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00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: then two other boys showed up, and that's where they

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00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: raped her and made a comment something to the effect

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00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: of if you don't want to be with him, you

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00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: can be with all of us. And she got up

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00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: and she was fighting for her life and said that

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00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: she was going to tell the police, and that's when

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00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: they took her back down and one of the boys

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00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: stabbered pretty much to death, and then that's when other

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00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: people got involved. So when they started moving her in

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00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: the body, Melinda, if you know all of this, then

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00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: what is the district attorney waiting on exactly? That's a

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00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: great question. What I can tell you is the investigation

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00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: has been really busy since last fall. They've been aggressively

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00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: questioning people because I'd been contacted by those people and

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00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: asked if they should talk to the FBI or the

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00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office and so, and then they call me to

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00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: tell me what happened after. So I know they're aggressively

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00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: interviewing people. They've threatened one of my sources, and to

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00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: be honest, it feels like it's not going in a

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00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: direction it should be. But I guess we'll just have

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00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: to wait and see. If you have any information on

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Tera Calico, let me remind you there

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Speaker 1: is a twenty thousand dollar reward twenty thousand dollars for

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00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: information on her disappearance. Please dial this number one eight

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Speaker 1: hundred eight four three five six seven eight one eight

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Speaker 1: hundred The Lost one eight hundred eight forty three five

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Speaker 1: six seven eight We pray that justice un falls. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,