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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class from housetop

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Speaker 1: noun Kid. Oh, I'm Tracy P. Wilson. And and we're

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Speaker 1: going to resume what we were talking about previously, Yes,

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Speaker 1: which is the real Elsewhere Engine. And we recorded the

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Speaker 1: first part of the podcast in which we kind of

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Speaker 1: talked about the parts of his biography that kind of

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Speaker 1: get glossed over in most accounts of his life. Yes,

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Speaker 1: his time, you know, as a pioneer child, and his

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Speaker 1: time riding the rails and learning the trade of a

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Speaker 1: bar keep and even serving in the Civil War. And

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Speaker 1: when we left off, he was in the Dakota Territories

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Speaker 1: in Custer City, and as Custer City was emptying out

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Speaker 1: and everyone was heading to Deadwood where there had been

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Speaker 1: a gold strike, he followed suit. And that's why he

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Speaker 1: bought a lot in Deadwood. Yes, and that was early

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Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six, so it was almost immediately after he

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Speaker 1: completely legitimate business. Well it did. Then everything was running

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Speaker 1: out of a tent, well, and he did eventually make

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Speaker 1: this into an actual permanent structure. Yeah, you kind of

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Speaker 1: have to admire his work ethic because basically he was

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Speaker 1: working at night running the saloon, and then during the

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Speaker 1: the clock to build his business. Yes, even if it

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Speaker 1: was maybe not the most noble of enterprises in some ways,

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Speaker 1: I have to admire his work ethics right. Well, And

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Speaker 1: as we talked about last time, he had at this

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Speaker 1: point a pretty extensive law breaking history. Yeah, he had

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Speaker 1: some trouble with entering into business contract that he really

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Speaker 1: while he was trying to get this new business off

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Speaker 1: prison when it finally caught up. Yeah. We mentioned it

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Speaker 1: caused him to to miss out on a pretty important

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Speaker 1: the arrival of the first prostitutes. He was not there

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Speaker 1: missing all the fun um. The July of eighteen seventy six,

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Speaker 1: the first prostitutes arrived. People were extremely happy about this.

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Speaker 1: There was cheering in the streets, yes, because remember these

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Speaker 1: not a luxury set up at all, so pretty much

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Speaker 1: all of that was bepending within one month. And then

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Speaker 1: he changed the name to the Gem Variety Theater, which

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Speaker 1: Tony Soprano. And now occasionally he would do something really

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Speaker 1: somebody getting beaten to death in the parking lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: borrowed money that then his business would fail and he

432
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Speaker 1: would not pay back, And it became clear in some

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Speaker 1: cases that he had never intended to pay that money back.

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Speaker 1: That continued on. Um. His original debt from back in

435
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Speaker 1: Iowa was finally tracked down to him in eighty one

436
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Speaker 1: and he was forced to either pay up or go

437
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Speaker 1: to jail. I'm guessing he paid up. Yeah. That became

438
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: his like sort of Dobriger way of handling business is

439
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: that he would enter these business contracts never pay them.

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00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: They pretty much had to take him to court and

441
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Speaker 1: have it come to a point where if he did

442
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Speaker 1: not pay, he was going to jail, and then he

443
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Speaker 1: would like grudgingly pay them. And that was sort of

444
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: his business model, right, which is a little bit um.

445
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: It's hard to think about that because you know, no

446
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Speaker 1: business could get away with that today. But it was

447
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: a different time. Of course. There was a man named

448
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Speaker 1: Joseph Broghammer who in eighteen ninete, knowing that his m

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Speaker 1: O was that he would say I don't have the

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Speaker 1: money to pay that back, he instead decided that he

451
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Speaker 1: would go after his property. Um. He had done some

452
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Speaker 1: work at the gem that had he had never been

453
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Speaker 1: paid for, and what he was awarded was several horses

454
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Speaker 1: and buggies. Since he knew he was probably not ever

455
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Speaker 1: going to get the money, Yeah, which is kind of

456
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Speaker 1: a fascinating awardment. But yeah, here's some horses. Now. We

457
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Speaker 1: did mention in the first part of this story in

458
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Speaker 1: the previous podcast that swearing Jin had taken a wife

459
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Speaker 1: when he was in Helena, and she kind of vanishes

460
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Speaker 1: from the record a little bit. There's not much that

461
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Speaker 1: we hear about her, but in her name does come

462
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Speaker 1: up again because in the Black Hills Daily Times there

463
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Speaker 1: was an announcement that swar engin place that read, my

464
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Speaker 1: wife has left my room and board without provocation. All

465
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Speaker 1: that's in by her will not be paid by me. Uh. Basically,

466
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: they had had a fight and he was like, fine,

467
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Speaker 1: go you're on your own, because she apparently left that

468
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: same day. However, she came back to him a few

469
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: weeks later and she stayed for two more years before

470
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: she finally divorced him. Um. And then remember again at

471
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: the Times were was not his friend. Uh. There was

472
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Speaker 1: a follow up article after he after she finally left,

473
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: where they printed two letters that were um written under

474
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Speaker 1: a pseudonym, but everyone sort of believed it to be

475
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: Nettie's letters about al that she had written to her

476
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: parents UM or to her mother specifically, and they were

477
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Speaker 1: printed under the name of Emmy instead of Nettie, and

478
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: they basically just detailed the cruelties and indignation she suffered

479
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Speaker 1: while living with him. Uh. And there are some accounts

480
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Speaker 1: that I've read that rumored that she in fact had

481
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Speaker 1: friends on the Times, and so she kind of placed

482
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: those as a final parting shot to him, uh, so

483
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: that people would publicly have a record of all the

484
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: horrible things that he did. But she was not his

485
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Speaker 1: only wife now Now, on July three nine, he married

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Speaker 1: a twenty one year old woman named O'delia turgent Um,

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00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: when within six months there were reports again that that

488
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: there was domestic abuse going on and that, uh there

489
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: were people who witnessed altercations between them in the street

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Speaker 1: and in one of which he choked and beat her Um.

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Speaker 1: Several months after that, she needed a doctor's care because

492
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Speaker 1: of a serious hemorrhage, and she survived, but not long

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00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: after that he divorced her, claiming she had been unfaithful. Yeah,

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00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: and it's weird. The accounts never say what type of

495
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: hemorrhage it is. It's just listed as a severe hemorrhage.

496
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Speaker 1: So the suggestion there is that he once again beat

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Speaker 1: her and you know, brought her apparently near death because

498
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Speaker 1: many reports of it make it sound like she really

499
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Speaker 1: was at death's door, and you know, it was sort

500
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Speaker 1: of miraculous that she rallied and survived. And then he

501
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: had another really weird relationship, uh, with a woman named

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Speaker 1: Hattie Lewis, and he this relationship allegedly began when he

503
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: stormed into her resort and am using the air quotes

504
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: where he had spent the previous night, claiming that he

505
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: had been robbed of a thousand dollars. And he started

506
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Speaker 1: to destroy furniture and attempted to burn the building down,

507
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: and he was stopped by an employee. But somehow, in

508
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: the midst of all of this Swearingeon and Hattie like

509
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: took up together. I guess, you know, too extreme personalities

510
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: sometimes they're drawn together and usually we know how those

511
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: relationships go, and it's not so good. And this was

512
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: not good at all. Uh, Their their relationship was not

513
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Speaker 1: very happy for very long. They it turned sour pretty quickly,

514
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Speaker 1: and Hattie Lewis committed suicide with morphine overdose. Yeah, so

515
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: he was not um, not really good news for women.

516
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't good news. For anybody. Women were really rough. Now,

517
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: so we're we're getting to the point of how much

518
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Speaker 1: more bad stuff could this guy do? You and and

519
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: we're sort of also near the end of his story. Yeah,

520
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: in December of another fire tour through the gym, and

521
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Speaker 1: this time he did not rebuild it. I actually there's

522
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Speaker 1: a part of me that just takes this sort of schadenfreud,

523
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Speaker 1: a gleefulness about this particular fire. Um, because it's a

524
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: fire that started in multiple places simultaneously. Yeah, witnesses saw

525
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: the fire blaze up in some report say five, some

526
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: say six different spots at the same time. Firefighters came

527
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: and they miraculously could not find the wrenches to use

528
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Speaker 1: to connect their hoses to the to the water water. Um.

529
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: And so another fire department was called in, who also

530
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: could not find a problem. Yeah, so how in the

531
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: world could that have happened? Um? My first in reading

532
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: about that, my first response was like, did he do

533
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: it for the insurance money? But that was not quite

534
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: a thing. Then. It's much more likely than one of

535
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: his many enemies took it upon themselves to do a

536
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: very thorough job of burning down the gym. Yeah, he

537
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: really had plenty by that point, so he finally decided

538
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: it was not worth trying to rebuild again. That was it.

539
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: So he left Edwood and went to Leadville, Colorado, to

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: meet up with his younger brother, Theodore, who also had

541
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: a saloon, and he worked with Theodore for four years.

542
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Uh So then his end is a little bit anti climactic,

543
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, because we don't really know for sure

544
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: what happened. But his body was found in November of

545
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 1: nineteen o four, uh adjacent to some street car tracks

546
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: that were near Denver and um The initial observation observation

547
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: of the body suggested that he had died from a

548
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: massive head wound from a blunt, heavy object, but in

549
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: the Oscaloosa Harold it was reported that he had likely

550
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: fallen while he was trying to board the motor car,

551
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: possibly having been hit on the head by some part

552
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: of the train. However, he also reportedly had scratches on

553
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: the side of his face, which I guess could happen,

554
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, if he fell and slid against the ground.

555
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: But it kind of almost doesn't add up. I'm sure

556
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm not the only person who thinks he must have

557
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: been attacked. Yeah, it's a little weird. It's sort of

558
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: a strange way to go to just you know, be

559
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: found and for him to have been trying to board

560
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: a street car and fall and died, but no one

561
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: knew about that. They just found the body later. It

562
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: could have happened, happened that they're just coincidentally, were not

563
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: any witnesses speaking up to what had happened. Maybe they

564
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: had those wrenches that were lost from maybe Uh. And

565
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: then there was the murder weapon. And then his body

566
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: was eventually transported back to Oscaloosa for burial, which is

567
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: where if you listen to the first part, he grew

568
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: up as a pioneer child, even though I believe his

569
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: parents had divorced, but they were still both buried there together. Uh.

570
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: And then he was buried there with the rest of

571
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: the family. Just it is sort of at such an

572
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: anti climactic end for so much drama in his life. Uh.

573
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: But we don't really know. It could have been a

574
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: very climactic night of craziness. All we know is that

575
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: he was found by the street car tracks. So that's

576
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: the story of Elsewhere and Jim and his wild and

577
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: only life. I mean, I can't even imagine. Yes, well,

578
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: and then to have his actual life be even stranger

579
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: and more dramatic and more full of crime and craziness

580
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: than it's ever portrayed in fiction than it's ever portrayed

581
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: in in a very expletive filled Yeah, if you are

582
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: interested in watching Deadwood, I really love it and highly

583
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: recommend it, but be ready if you are not comfortable

584
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: with a lot of swearing, it is probably not the

585
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: show for you because they really floor it. I hold

586
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: back nothing. Yeah, well, and it's uh it rather than

587
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: using swears that were in use at the time, which

588
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: sounds weird to people now. Yeah, they don't read the

589
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: same new they use modern they last, you have no

590
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: questions of the intent of the language, absolutely not. Although

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00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: you know that show is written in i ambic pentameter,

592
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: did not know that it's bizarre. You don't think of it,

593
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: and then when you know it, you can't stop hearing. Well,

594
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: now I'm it's going to be stuff there in my head.

595
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: And now I have some listener mail. Yes, I have

596
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: two pieces, and they are both about our pope, Pope

597
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Benedict the Ninth Podcast, which is about his renunciation of

598
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: the papacy, and both are corrections. So I appreciate it.

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00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: We have such awesome listeners. The first one is I

600
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: found your episode on the other Pope Benedict very interesting.

601
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: One thing I noticed is that you always mentioned the

602
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: Pope is being a strictly spiritual leader. I think we

603
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: mentioned briefly I'm jumping out of the letter um that

604
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't it had more to do with power at

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00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: that time, but we did not address this listener's specific correction.

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00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: So I'm very glad they were it. In uh. It says, however,

607
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: for most of its history, including Benedict the ninths period,

608
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: the Holy See owned the Papal States. The Pope was

609
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: a secular and a spiritual leader, since he needed to

610
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: manage the Papal States as well as hold the role

611
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: we now know for we know him for uh. It

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00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: is only in eighteen seventy that the Papal States were

613
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: fully incorporated into the then newly born Italian State in

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00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: the nine that the Vatican renounced any claim on the

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00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: people states. In Benedict the ninth Day, being pope was

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00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: more than leading souls. It was being a major landowner

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00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: and managing or reaping the benefits of very lucrative lands

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00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: on top of the wealth deriving from tithing and numerous

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Speaker 1: donations to the church. Keep up the good work, Zarah. Yeah,

620
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: I um, I completely blipped right over that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we did kind of talk about Benedict the nine not

622
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: really being the most spectacular spiritual leader, so but I

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00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: did not talk about the politics of uh, that being

624
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: not just a religious seat at the time. So thank

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00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: you for that correction. And the other one is from

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00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: our listener brook from Florida, and Brooks says, I was

627
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: listening to your podcast on Pope Benedict the Ninth, and

628
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know the proper term

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00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: isn't resigning, because that would indicate a higher power, and

630
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: there's no higher power within the Church on earth. The

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00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: proper way to say what happened is that the Pope

632
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: announced the office of the papacy. Anyway, I just wanted

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00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: to correct that great podcast. Keep it up. Yes, that

634
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: is absolutely also accurate. I tend to not attribute it

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00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: to Benedict the ninth though, because, ah, his behavior was

636
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: not really what I would categorize as high bar It

637
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: was a little, uh, it's a little dicey. So I

638
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 1: think that's just sort of one of those mental jumps

639
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: that I'm like, it doesn't apply to him, but it

640
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: is absolutely the correct terminology to call it our renunciation.

641
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: Although I have noticed in the coverage of he's no

642
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: longer the current Pope Benedict, but Pope Benedict the sixteenth

643
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: that just stepped down. The press uses resigned a lot,

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: and I I don't know if that's just a desire

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