1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, I can't speak for the actors because I'm 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: not an actor. I don't know how the game is played. 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: I am I've never auditioned, so I can't speak for 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: what they go through. I'm sure a lot of them 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: go through a lot, especially women, A lot of black 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: women go through arty because you know, as we know, 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: there'll be more black males given the opportunity than black women. 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: You know, for your kid example, why is it that 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: we'll still only have Halle Berry is the only actress 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: black actress to win Best Actress. 11 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Have you, guys watched any of the films or television 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: shows that are being nominated this award season? If not, 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: we are going to catch you up today on Naked. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: Our guest is Wilson Morales. 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: If it's the greatest sports and entertainment, connect you within, 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 3: Kerry Champion and Carrie Chappion is to be a champion, 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: a champion and Carrie CHAPPI and got a champion and 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: carry champion and Carrie Sheppy the greatest sports and then 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: the frame you word. 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to a new edition of Naked. Appreciate 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: you all for being here. As you know, or maybe 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: you don't know, but you will know now it is 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: award season in Hollywood, and that means you will see 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: advertisements and perhaps different blurbs on social media about who 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: won what award and what the award is. Most recently, 26 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: we had the Golden Globes coming up as the critics Choice, 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: the Emmys, which had been postponed from last year. 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: It had come up soon. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: The Oscars, the SAG Awards, even the Grammys, that's included 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: in the award season. It's that time of year, at 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: the top of year. It's that time of year. And 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: Taraji p Henson another mentioned for Taraji. I mentioned her 33 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: last week on the podcast, but she made headlines because 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: she talked about why she was tired of being in 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: this business and thought about maybe I shouldn't do this anymore. 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: It's exhausting trying to prove your worth for your worth. 37 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: Today on the podcast we have Wilson Morales. He is 38 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: a film critic. He is an entertainment reporter. I would 39 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: say he has a vote for the Critics' Choice awards 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: and he has a really good sense of how this works. 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: He's been in the business for a very very long time. Journalist, editor, 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: film critic, founder of BLACKFILMANTV dot Com career spanning over 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: twenty five years, he's made it his mission to promote 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: films and projects and theater productions with an emphasis. 45 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: On black stories and black talent. 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: After serving as the editor for blackfilm dot com, he 47 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: has launched his own website, Blackfilm and TV dot com Again. 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: You can go and check it out. He has some 49 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: interesting insights. We have him on the show today. I 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: get into the particulars of how in fact, because I'm 51 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: always curious, how in fact do they go about voting? 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: How does an Oscar voter or that entire committee decide 53 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: who wins a film? 54 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: Who gets to vote? 55 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: The same with all these other award shows, and it 56 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: leads me to the bigger question of why are we 57 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: hearing so often that the people who are marginalized are 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: not being recognized for their talent. Most recently, Angela Bassett 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: was given a honorary Oscar. We can give or we 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: can probably think of so many other instances where she 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: deserved an Oscar. I think of what's love got to 62 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: do with it? Where she played Tina Turner Black Panther 63 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: the original. She was nominated for Black Panther two, didn't 64 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: win but they gave her. They're like, enough is enough. 65 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: This woman is an excellent actress and she has been overlooked, 66 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: and so I'm curious, is that fair? Is that just 67 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: happening to black women? And the way in which Wilson 68 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: explains it, he's not neutral, but he's very honest about 69 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: how it works in Hollywood. It's a popularity. 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: Contest and it's extremely fascinating. 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: And the biggest takeaway, and he kept saying this throughout 72 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: the podcast, is that what about your team. Your team 73 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: has to do the work. Sometimes talent can't do it all. 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: Talent isn't enough, Meaning I have to have a me 75 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: Carrie Champion has to have a good agent, she has 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: to have somebody who's a good publicist, She has to 77 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: have a good marketing team. Because I can't get out 78 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: here and hustle all of these things myself. Someone has 79 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: to put me out in the world and say, have 80 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: you seen how dope this person is? Because they're all busy, right, 81 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: you may not know how dope I am. And so 82 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: I need to have a team behind me that helps. 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: But not only do you have to have a team 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: behind you that helps. And this is the part that 85 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: I think was really not emphasized. You have to have 86 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: a community. You have to have colleagues, you have to 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: have peers, you have to have support that recognizes you, 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: that sees you for what you are, that sees you 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 2: for the talent that you are. I think it's probably 90 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: hard for a lot of black and brown actresses and 91 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: actors to book these amazing roles because can you put 92 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: seats in the theaters? 93 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: You know? Can you put butts in the theaters? If 94 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: you will? 95 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: Can you can you command a huge audience overseas. All 96 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: of these things play into why someone like Taji says 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: she's exhausted. Wilson Morales on the podcast giving us his 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: take on this coming award season, hope you enjoyed it. 99 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: Be a champion and Carri Chapion and Carri Chappy. 100 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: Well soon, thank you so much for being here. This 101 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: will air the day of the Emmys. People will listen 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: to it maybe the day after or the day of. 103 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: And for some of our listeners, they are not necessarily 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: up on all the shows. 105 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: Some of us don't have the time. 106 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: There's so much content out there too, if I'm being 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: honest with you, and it's hard to catch everything that 108 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: people are watching and how these shows really break through. 109 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: I do believe this year's Emmy Emmy's, the seventy fifth 110 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: annual Emmy's Awards show, will be hosted by Anthony Anderson. 111 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: We are coming off the Golden Globes, which I thought 112 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: was a snoop fest in all the wrong ways. What 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: should we expect for this year's Emmys? You know, it's interesting, 114 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: this is the first time it's gonna happen in January. 115 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: The I Means was postponed from its September showing because 116 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: of the strike, you know, and you know, you had 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: to write a strike going on. 118 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: You had the actors strike going on, so you wanted 119 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: to wait it out. Uh. The time period I believe 120 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: for anything to be eligible was up until May, middle 121 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: of May, you know, and then they voted in June. 122 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: And then uh so the votes were in by August. 123 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: You know. So Emmans were announced in June in June 124 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: and the votes were in by August. So already win 125 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: has already been determined. We just don't know who it is. 126 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 2: That's interesting, Okay, So the winners have already been determined, 127 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: so no matter what, there was no campaigning after that. 128 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: Why I am curious, and I mean it's pretty obvious, 129 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 2: but I know the writers. There was a strike, a strike, 130 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: a sad strike, right, Why could they not air the 131 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: awards here? Because they were They didn't because. 132 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: There was considered there was a strike going on. And 133 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: when there's a strike, and whenever you have obviously an 134 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: award show, whoever's the host, they're gone by what's written. 135 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Have no writers in place, you have no actors in place, 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: So no one's going to show up in support of 137 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: any sort of network event because of the strike. 138 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, because they you can't cross You can't cross that. 139 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: You can't cross the piggot lines if you will. Okay, 140 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: So here we are. The decision was already made in August. 141 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: Who would win what shows? Typically if you look at 142 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: all the shows, what shows are pretty popular going into it? 143 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: What do we what front runners? In terms of the 144 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: popular guests shows that have been nominated. 145 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: The biggest front runners are Succession, you know, the Succession, 146 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: the Last of Us, the White Lotus, the Bear Abbat Elementary. 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: What am I think of this one? 148 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: More? 149 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: It would be but those those are the big front 150 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: runners between Succession and then there's a Last of Us. 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Because just what you saw at the Golden Globs. You 152 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: may have some repeat performances. 153 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Now I am curious about award season. Award season 154 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: traditionally starts with what award show and then runs until 155 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: March and wraps up with the Oscars. So what's the 156 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: first award show and then it wraps up at Oscars? 157 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Well, we remember, as we mentioned, you know, Emmy should 158 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: have taken place in September. Now you have come it up, 159 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: just coming. You know by time this airs. The Golden 160 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: Globes aired last week. You have the Critics Choice Awards, 161 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: the Critics Choice Awards airing the day before the Emmys, 162 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: which is why the Emmys was pushed to a Monday 163 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: on MLK Day. 164 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: I didn't know that we all had to get in line, 165 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: the strike through everybody off. Okay, great, and then what 166 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: happens after Critics Okay, so we have Critics Choice, We're 167 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: already at Globes, Critics Choice, Emmy's SAG Awards. 168 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: Then what so, yes, you have the Critics Choice, which 169 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: airs on Sunday, and then you have the SAG Awards, 170 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: which is gonna air I guess on Netflix U sometime 171 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: in I believe January or late January or February. Then 172 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: you have the Oscars. The Oscar nominations are going to 173 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: be announced on the morning of the twenty third, So 174 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: right now, everybody's a contender, even though you may have 175 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: won a Golden Globe, but you may win a Critics Choice. 176 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: You know, everybody's still in play until you know the 177 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: names are announced officially on the morning of the twenty third. 178 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: Okay, Award season is interesting to me because there's there's 179 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: awards for television shows and then there are the awards 180 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: for the movies. The Oscar, I presume is the krim 181 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 2: Dela Chrem. Talk to me about the hierarchy of what 182 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: what how these award shows goes in terms of go 183 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: in terms of importance. 184 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: In terms of importance, it's more or less like visibility, 185 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: especially nowadays because now that we're in the realm of 186 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: streamers and not everybody going to the movie theaters. You know, 187 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned earlier, there's so much content 188 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: out there to be to be the bottom or the 189 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: final five. It's important for anybody's career, you know, because 190 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: that gives them a boost up. If you're an actor 191 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: who mostly does movies, This hopefully gives you a nomination, 192 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: gives you visibility worldwide and hopefully gets you the next job, 193 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: gets you better structure in terms of like you get 194 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: seen as a lead or supporting. You know, you like 195 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: to think that it's gonna set you up for at 196 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: least a few years, you like to think. But I 197 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: always think it's all about your team. You know. Lately 198 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: we've been hearing about people talking about how, you know, 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: the lack of resources that they've been getting. You know, 200 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: but I believe it's part of your team. The talent 201 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: can't do everything, you know, so you got to know 202 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: who your team is. You know, you can't. You know, 203 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: you have to find that Jerem maguire and to know 204 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: what your worth is to go out there and fight 205 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: for you. Now, you could be a great It's like 206 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: it's almost like a singer. You know, you could be 207 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: a great singer. But if you're not with the right label, 208 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: no one's gonna hear your music. 209 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 2: You're right about that, Okay, So but I want to 210 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 2: know if I am in this world and I'm an actor, 211 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm a talent, if you will am I Do I 212 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: want a Globe? 213 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: Do I want an Emmy? 214 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: Is Oscars obviously is the top choice. But where do 215 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: you go in terms of I'm really someone special? Is 216 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: the Emmy the least important and the Oscar the most important? 217 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Is it the sag aboard? How does that go? They 218 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: each are equally important? I obviously obviously Oscars are you know, 219 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: because I covered more filmed than TV for years, I 220 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: would say Oscars it was a lot more important because 221 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: there's not as many categories as there are TV, and 222 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: there are more people watching. There are more people watching 223 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: a movie. When you win an Oscar, you'll know who 224 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: won an Oscar as opposed to who won an Emmy. 225 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes when it comes to Ebbi's you get a lot 226 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: of repeaters, you know, like you've had Candas Bergen back 227 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: in the day, when five in a row you got 228 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Helen Hunk win five in a row, you got Julia 229 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: Lewis Priceis win five in a row. That is not 230 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: the case with the Oscars. You know, it's rare to 231 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: have back to back winning performances. You know now, I 232 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: remember with the Emmy you can win over and over 233 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: again for playing the same row. That doesn't happen with 234 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: the Oscars. So I would say Oscars are more important 235 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: because you're being rewarded for one row at one particular project, 236 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: as opposed to like, you know, you look at a 237 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: show like Succession. You know they want to think the 238 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: previous year, this is their final year. You know, it's 239 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: been soumed that they're going to clean up. 240 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: This makes sense because the Oscars, if we talk an 241 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: award shows in terms of importance, the Oscars is the 242 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: super Bowl. It is the NBA Championship. If I talked 243 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: to my if I was in my world, you can't 244 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 2: win back. It's hard to win back to back. You 245 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: can do it more so if you have a dominant team, 246 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 2: but it's hard, especially with the Super It's hard to 247 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: win back to back Super Bowl. So just I don't 248 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: even know if it's happened. Probably has, and I haven't 249 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: done the research on it, but it is the Patriots 250 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: were the last ones. Yeah that no one hasn't done 251 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: it since then. You're right, it was the Patriots. Rest 252 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: in peace, Bill Belichick. In terms of your job, So 253 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: I am curious if we can then talk about the Oscars, 254 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: if we can stay there as we wrap up these shows. 255 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: There was a. 256 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: Campaign, and I believe that you remember this campaign very well, 257 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: Oscar so white. I'm led by what I thought was 258 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: Jada Pinkett at the time, and there was a real 259 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: concern about the Oscars not addressing the the melanin, if 260 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: you will, the black folks not getting their just due. 261 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: We just saw recently that Angela Bassett won an Oscar 262 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: at the Governor's Award. They gave her her what did 263 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: they call that Oscar? They gave her. 264 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: She was given an honorary Oscar. An honorary Oscar finally 265 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: means competition, you know, she was there was no competition. 266 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: They decided, Okay, she's paid her dues, We're gonna give 267 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: it to that and no shade. But it's a little 268 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: bit better when you win in competition as opposed to 269 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: when they give it to you. Okay, Perry has an 270 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: honorary Oscar, you know, so like, no one's gonna say 271 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Oscar winner. 272 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: You know, she's an Oscar, you know, recipient. How do 273 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: you feel about the Oscars covering these awards shows, specifically 274 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: for black people? How do you feel about the Oscars 275 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: and their reputation? Have they have they gotten better? 276 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: Yes or no? You know they've they've tried to make 277 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: They've always every year try to make strides by adding 278 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 1: more people to who can vote, people of color, you know, 279 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: so that way, you know, but I think there's so 280 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: many people who vote, and I don't think it's I 281 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: don't ever believe it's gonna be fifty to fifty, you know, 282 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: because you've had a history of a lot of older 283 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: people that's still in there, you know, so you're not 284 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: you just try to hopefully have You're just gonna have 285 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: to hope that there's enough of a factor as well 286 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: as performance that they can stand out. You know, in 287 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: terms of looking this year, you know, we don't know 288 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: who's gonna get nominated, but looking pretty good to get 289 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: a nomination are Comen Domingo and Jeffrey Wright for Rustin 290 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: and American Ficture respectively, and then you have Davin Joey 291 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: Randolph for the holdovers as well as Danielle Brooks for 292 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: the color Purple. So like they're looking good to get nominated. 293 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: Whenning is a whole different story, you know, because there's 294 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of people in the branch. You 295 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: got to get through your branch. What does that mean? 296 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: Every department has a certain number of voters, So SAG 297 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: is a big body of actors, but there's only a 298 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: small percentage of them who are OSCAR voters. And also, 299 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: so let's say, for example, in the acting categories, it's 300 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred voters, and so when you're voting for the oscar, 301 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: everybody gets one vote, you know, so you're hoping that 302 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: you can get you know, let's say somebody like Lily 303 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: Gladstone is a front runner. You know, she may end 304 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: up getting seven hundred votes, which means there are six 305 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: hundred votes out there left. You just want it all, 306 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: but she won if she got seven hundred right, no, no, no, 307 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: that is just to get nominated. Oh okay, that is 308 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: just to get nominated. So you want to so you 309 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: want to have enoughing to help question. 310 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it takes thirteen hundred thirteen people's thirteen hundred 311 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: voters to decide if you're nominated. 312 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Yes, And so they I believe they played the numbers game, 313 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: meaning like, okay, who got as many votes? The top 314 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: five vote getters are the ones they're going to get nominated. 315 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: And then from there, how do they decide Dan, Once 316 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: you're on the ballot, that it goes to everybody, meaning 317 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: that everybody who's an Oscar voter, From costume designers to 318 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: directors to writers. They all get to vote in the 319 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: big one. How many people is that? Approximately? Eight thousand? 320 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Now I want to say eight thousand, somewhere in that air, 321 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: somewhere in that range. Okay, So he started today. Voting 322 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: started today from the eleventh of January to the sixteenth, 323 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: So eight thousand people. 324 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: After you get to nominate the nominees, which will be 325 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: announced on the twenty third, eight thousand. Then people who 326 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: are part of this particular society what do you call 327 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: this society? 328 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Society the Oscar voters, right, So. 329 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: Eight thousand Oscar voters get to weigh in on whether 330 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: or not Danielle Brooks of The Color Purple deserves to 331 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: receive Best Supporting Actress or eight thousand people can determine 332 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: if American fiction is the Corey Jefferson gets nominated for 333 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: Best Director of a Film of a feature film. He's 334 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: already nominated for a SAG Award. We saw that, No, 335 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: Cord Jefferson, just the correct you. Cor Jefferson is the director. 336 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: He was not nominated actors thereg He got a d 337 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: G a nomination for first time Feature not the main 338 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: category the first time feature is what he want? Okay, good, Okay, 339 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: that's great though, that's great. Yes, you know it's a 340 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: leg up, you know, like it's a little you know, 341 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: like it's He's never directed a movie, never did a short, 342 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: never did a documentary, never did a music video. So 343 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: I believe it will be hard for him to get 344 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: a director's nomination on your first go your first one. Wow, 345 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: there people, there's some old guard out there that's gonna 346 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I pay his dues a little bit. 347 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: Let me see what you can do on your next one. 348 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, so what so by way, background, So 349 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: now we're gonna get into specifics for the folks at home. 350 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: I needed to set the table so I can understand 351 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: what we're talking about. So American Fiction is one of 352 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: the films, especially in the culture, that people are talking about. 353 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: It's with the great Jeffrey Wright and Isaray is in it, 354 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: Tracy Ellis Ross is in it, Eric Alexander. 355 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, where is my will be Beautiful Ensemble? And 356 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: Sermy K. Brown? 357 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: I mean I saw it and I just absolutely loved it. 358 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: But I know Core because I know him through the 359 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: come ups. He was a journalist at the Gawker before 360 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: it now DN Soccer, So I was really curious how 361 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: he was able to get a feature film with such 362 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: a beautiful ensemble cast put together so quickly, and in 363 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: my mind him like is this is he about to 364 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: get an oscar? But you're saying it's gonna be hard 365 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: for him to even get nominated because he has some 366 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: there are those who protect the you know, who have 367 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: the keys to the gate if you will, and they'll say, hey, 368 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: you haven't paid enough, do so let me let you 369 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: inside of this club yet because to your point, he 370 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: never did a he's never done a music video, he's 371 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: never directed, you know, to be fair, he's not the 372 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: first one obviously. You know, you look at Jordan Pale. 373 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: Jordan Peele got nominated for Best Director for get Out. 374 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: But the difference was, you know, get Out with such 375 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: a jugging out of a film that was such a 376 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: made for four million and grossed over two hundred million nikes, 377 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: so you cannot deny, you know what it did. And 378 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: you look at Barbie, you know, like last thing, you 379 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: had no female directors in the you know, in the 380 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: you know who got nominated. And when you look this 381 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: year Greta Gerwig who directed Barbie and it made a 382 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: billion dollars in seventeen days and a million strike. 383 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: Wait it would it be right? That's a billion with me? 384 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: How many? How many dollars is that? 385 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: Oh? 386 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: It's a billion? Okay, got it in the midst of 387 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: a strike, when you when you don't have the actors 388 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: promoting it crazy also like they're they're they're bound. They're 389 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: looking to get a slow of nomination. Sea. You guys 390 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: know what time it is. We have to pay bills. 391 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: You can fast forward through all of the commercials, could 392 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: be a good two three minutes, but I have to 393 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: get these bills paid otherwise I can't do what I 394 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: do back in the moment. 395 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion, 396 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 3: a champion and carry champion and Cary chat beat a 397 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: champion and Cary champion and carried chaffrad is the sports 398 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: and entertainment. 399 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: Can make it work. 400 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion, 401 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: a champion and carry champion. They shout a champion and 402 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: carry champion and carried Shepira is the sports. 403 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: And entertainment getting Hey, everybody, it is award season or 404 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: is it awards season? 405 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: With an s, I think it's awards season. I'm gonna 406 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: go with that. 407 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: And we have a film critic, a journalist, someone who 408 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: I truly enjoy. It's an education today Wilson Morales on 409 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: Naked Okay, So I will say this while I am 410 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: for all of us and hoping that the culture. I 411 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: love Barbie. I loved its message. I loved the marketing. 412 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: I had never seen marketing like that before. I didn't 413 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: even understand what was happening. They were sending barbiees to 414 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: anybody who needed a Barbie. They sent me a Barbie. 415 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: I was Reporter Barbie. It was so it was so 416 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: popular that to me, I was like, I'm not gonna 417 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: watch it every end. But everyone I talked to went 418 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: to see it, Wilson everything, like. 419 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: You know, they made it an event. You know, I 420 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: think that was an event. You look at last year's 421 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise with top cut, and then you look at 422 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: what Barbie did, you know. I think the message when 423 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: you see movies like this is the like it was 424 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: the movie that in the middle of this strike that 425 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: saved theaters because people are going out in droves. People 426 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: are buying pink, wearing pink, you know, singing them songs 427 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: from Dua Lipa and and uh Mark Ronson Billy got 428 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: one in there, you know, so like And you had 429 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: a diverse cast, you know, from you know obviously uh 430 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: Margot Robbie to Isa Ring you know so like to Simulu. 431 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: You know, you had a diverse cast it and so 432 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: it spoke a lot to a lot of people when 433 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: they went goes all the way, you know, we'll see 434 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be up against Oppenheimer and once again, 435 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: should both get nominated, you're gonna get another Barbenheimer or repeat. 436 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we talked about the Oscars. We talked about 437 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: there were there were other films that people are saying 438 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: that are popular and and I feel, I feel this 439 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: this is I'm gonna step out the out of the 440 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: realm a bit. I feel like Leonardo DiCaprio and whatever 441 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: project that he and Martin scorse you are always a 442 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: part of, automatically gets nominated just because of who they are, 443 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: whether you like the picture or not. I saw what 444 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: is it, Killers of the New Moon is or whatever 445 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: the Flower Moon, Killers of the Flower Moon. It was 446 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: three hours, seven hundred minutes and twenty seven thousand seconds, 447 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: And in my mind, I was like, this is ridiculous. 448 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: I just I am a moviegoer. I love the movies. 449 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: I don't have three hours and twenty seven minutes to 450 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: watch a film and thirty eight thirty eight let me 451 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: good at all the minutes? Three hours and thirty eight minutes. 452 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: Why would a film like that be so revered? Is 453 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: it because it is that greater or is it because 454 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: it's Martin Scorsese. 455 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: In the because Martin score? Here the thing I think 456 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: when you have guys who've been in the game for 457 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: a long period of time and it so revered, like 458 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: a Martin Scorsese or a Steven Spielberg, automatically they jumped 459 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: to the front of the line as far as you 460 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: can possibly get nominated just because of the you know, 461 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: their body of work. That doesn't mean it's gonna be great. 462 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Martin Scorsese, Hi the Irishman 463 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: got a slew of nominations because it was the return 464 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: of de Niro and Pesci and you know, Harvey Kaititel. 465 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: But yet you know itt win the big one, so 466 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: killers you know you have Leo and Robert in there, 467 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: but obviously the one who's been racking of wins has 468 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: been the female, le Lily Gladstone. Amazing. Leo didn't even 469 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: get a SAG nomination. Can I say something. 470 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: She made me want to watch the film. I believed her, 471 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: I felt I felt like she was straight. She I 472 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: believed everything. 473 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: About her character. 474 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: And it was the only reason I stopped fast forwarding 475 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 2: because I was I streamed it and I was fast 476 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: forwarding because I was. 477 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: Like, I don't need all of this. 478 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: I want to And I know people think that's blasphemy, 479 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: But I wonder if the Oscars and and and people 480 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: like Martin Scorsese played to a very small audience and 481 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: then they force that on the mainstream audience. I'm very 482 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: I liken it to how we are covering the Middle East. 483 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: There are awards in Sudan, there are wars in the Congo, 484 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: there are wars all over, but we only really know 485 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: about one mainstream war because the media, myself included, because 486 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: I'm a part of the media, if you will, are 487 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: only covering a war that they feel has interest. Do 488 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 2: you feel like the Oscars is a very selected community 489 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: of people and the films are made for just a 490 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: small group of people as opposed to the masses. 491 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, at the end of the day, 492 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: it's more or less. You know, they are gonna be 493 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: big films and they're gonna be small films, you know, 494 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: which is the beauty of having now ten films have 495 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: to be nominated. Before it used to be you have 496 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: you can nominate up to ten films. Now it's guarantee 497 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: ten films, which is great because you want to reward 498 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: some films that like just to say they had a 499 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: great year, you know, so like just to be you know, 500 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: top ten, and so that way everybody has a fighting chance. 501 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: And this is the reason it happened that way is 502 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: because when A Dark Night came out and that was 503 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: the year Heath Ledger died, it was such a popular 504 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: film it was, and whoever it was, the voter, whoever 505 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: the voters were dead, didn't think, oh, this is too 506 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: much of a commercial movie. It's not as small as 507 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: we wanted to be, and they didn't nominate it. And 508 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: there was an uproar like you should have nominated this, 509 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: and so they made it a point to go up 510 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: to ten, so that way you can nominate these movies. 511 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: They've been so well done and because they made so 512 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: much money because of the people, because you've had films 513 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: out there that have made no money but it but 514 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: have been critically acclaimed. Yeah, they had an issue last year. 515 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: Some lady was nominated and it was because they threw 516 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: a party for her. She was on the inside. Remember 517 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: what was her name? 518 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: Angar Roisenboro got nominated for a film called for Leslie. 519 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: It's very very small film. She's actually quite good in it, 520 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: but the distributor and the team didn't have the campaign 521 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: money for her. So they went the old conventional route 522 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, we don't have money to throw receptions 523 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: or billboards or anything like that. We'll just get the 524 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: people we know as high as they are. You know, 525 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: this is my opinion to tweet, you know, and you 526 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: she had people of you know, famous people tweeting this 527 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: is a great performance. You should check it out. You 528 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: should check it out. And so many people that follow 529 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: these famous people, other Oscar voters and winners. So when 530 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: you get someone like a Jane Fond done saying oh 531 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,239 Speaker 1: she was amazing. Who's following Jane Fonder? Her colleagues, who 532 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: are some of her colleagues are winners and voters. You know, 533 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: that's a leg up. You know, at the end of 534 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: the day, you know, if you get an endorsement from Barack, 535 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, you know, the bigger the endorsement. 536 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: It sounds like a popularity contest. It sounds like who 537 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: has the most followers on Instagram. I mean, I'm giving 538 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: you the Hollywood. 539 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: That's what you know, And that's what it worked out 540 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: on her case because they had no money to be 541 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: showcased anywhere else most of the times throughout this whole time. 542 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: You know, if you follow certain some of these actors, 543 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: they've been flying back and forth between New York and 544 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: LA going to these events, you know, kissing the babies 545 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: as you may, because there's that's where the majority of 546 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: the voters are, you know, and sometimes you know, you 547 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: got to remember that, like everybody, those who are voters 548 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: get to get to see it at home. If you're 549 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: not a regular movie lover or movie watching, you don't 550 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: have time to be sitting through thirty movies. You still 551 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: have a life, you know, but you don't mind. It's 552 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: just if you being invited to go see a movie 553 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: and then go to reception afterwards and meet the talent, 554 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, because you're inside close quarters to get your opinions, 555 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: mostly in your home, and like you're watching Kills of 556 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: the Flower morning you're like, let me pause this. Somebody 557 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: calls you, you know, let me get back to this movie. 558 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are disciplined to just 559 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: watch a movie as it is at home without any distraction. Distractions. 560 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the movie again is three hours and how 561 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: many minutes? Thirty eight minutes? 562 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Well you got opting Horod just three hours. 563 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: I just feel like a this day and age, there 564 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: should be a limit how long we have to sit watch. 565 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: That's just me because sometimes I really, truly, and you 566 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: just said as much, these films are made for for 567 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: certain people. 568 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: They're not really made for the masses. 569 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: They're made for Martin's doing it because it's the passion 570 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: project I, I, and and and the people who respect 571 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: him are watching it because they respect him. And I 572 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: don't necessarily know if that's what an oscar should be 573 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: awarded for, meaning meaning I thought it was supposed to 574 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: be for entertainment, isn't isn't look at a movie like 575 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: look at a movie like The Green Book, and you 576 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: have your naysayers, but to a lot of people, it 577 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: was an entertaining film. 578 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: If you don't follow social media and you're not hearing 579 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: about like whose story was being told? Oh YadA YadA, 580 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: and you just watched that movie as it is, it's 581 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: an entertaining film, which is why one best picture. It 582 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: also a lot of times, you know, you get the 583 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: politics that play out because of you know who directed it, 584 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: who's in it, and so forth. And then you have 585 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: movies that like the well, like a movie like Coda, 586 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: which won two years ago, and you had a cast 587 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: of unknowns with the exception of of Marley Mattlin, but 588 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: today's generation may not know who she is. And you 589 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: had a guy Eugenio Thebez who's a big Mexican star, 590 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: but not a lot of people watch his movies. And 591 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: you had a heartfield story about a woman, about a 592 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: young lady who's trying to get by and trying to 593 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: support from family because she's the only one that can 594 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: hear and the family's death and. 595 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: You're telling are you telling me that, Yes, some of 596 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: it's not fair, but it's getting better because there there 597 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: are outliers, there are there are exceptions to the rules 598 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: as of late. Sometimes they get it right and it 599 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: is just entertainment. Yeah, sometimes they get it right because 600 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: you have a movie like Parasite. They won a few 601 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: years ago Foreign Film, but it was the people's favorite, 602 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: you know, and every year you're gonna have a favorite. 603 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: Like last year, you look at The Fableman's which was 604 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: directed by Steven Spielberg, and you had everything all at once, 605 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: and conventional wisdom will say, oh, Spilberg, he would win, 606 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: And they were wanning up to a certain point when 607 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: you get down to like the sag and stuff like that, 608 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: and it's everything all at once when they asked, because 609 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: they have the popular vote, which is why it won. 610 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: You think about last year Jamie Lee Curtis beating Angela Bassett. 611 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: Angela Bassett and Jamie Thee Curtis are both nominated fil 612 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: Best Appointing Actress. Angela Bassett was nominated for Black Panther Cheo. 613 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Jamie was in everything all at once. So when you're 614 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: nominated for Best Picture, if you have if you're nominating 615 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: in any other category, it helps you out if your 616 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: film is nominated for Best Picture, because a lot more 617 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: people will see you those as opposed to an individual, 618 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, like you're nominated for like Best Sound, and 619 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: it's the only films nomination. You're not looking. You know, 620 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: like you may get the votes from those in that department, 621 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: but everybody, because everybody can vote, they're not really gonna 622 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: pay attention so much to it. You know, they're gonna 623 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: pay attention to the ones who are nominate for Best Picture. 624 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: So, in your opinion, has the Oscars become more mainstream 625 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: instead of the exclusive club that it used to be. 626 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: They're tried to which is why they would up to 627 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: tend films, So that way there's hopefully a balance of movies. 628 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: When you get a movie like Oppenheimer, when you say 629 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: when it makes it, it's nearly made of billion dollars, 630 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: Barbie's made a billion dollars, that is as mainstream as 631 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: you can get, because that's the people going to the theaters. 632 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: You know. If you get the Holdovers, that's a swaller film. 633 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: If you get the Color Purple, you know, it did 634 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: good numbers on Christmas Day. We still have to wait 635 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: to see maybe it's if it gets an Oscar nomination 636 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: for Best Picture, maybe will go back to see it. 637 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: You know. So there are movies that are coming out 638 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: that came so late in the year, they haven't been 639 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: as successful as the ones that came out during the summer. Okay. 640 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: I want to also point out he talked about people 641 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: who are the Oscar voters. A lot of them feel 642 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: like they are more learned and understand what entertainment or 643 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: films should be looking like, and feel like I feel 644 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: like they there's a there's an eliteness that is there. 645 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: It's inherent and you feel it. 646 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: There is also. 647 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: Back to the popularity of it all, are there certain 648 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: actors who just can't get on the good side if 649 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: you will. Leo's been nominated, never won, right has he? 650 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 3: No? 651 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: He went for the bear. He went for the bear, right, Yeah, 652 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: the Revenant, The Revenant where he was beating up the bear. 653 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: What do you look at me? Just saying to tell 654 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: me what was that movie on? What did he win 655 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: for that? He went Best Actor? Yeah, he won Best Actor. 656 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: Lia have been nominated several times. You could never get 657 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: over the hump and then him and if he makes 658 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: a feel with pretty much ninety percent of the movies 659 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: just him and a bear at one point, and it's like, 660 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: if he can't win for that, you know, so he can't. 661 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, because it was like it was just him. 662 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: I was like, was the movie called The Bear? Was 663 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: it about the god darn Bear? Okay, so it was 664 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 2: just Leo when he finally won. How long did it 665 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: take for Leo to win? How long did it take 666 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: for him to win? 667 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: It took on a little bit. It took over a decade. Yes, yeah, 668 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt won for a once upon a time in Hollywood. Oh, 669 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of like you have those favorites 670 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: out there they have yet to win, you know, and 671 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: it looked Listen, it took Martin Scorsese over twenty years 672 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: to finally win Best Director. You know he had and 673 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: you know, so like it doesn't. It doesn't always happen 674 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: for everyone. Look out along. It took Spike Lee just 675 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: to get in the game, get in the race. He 676 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: finally won one for screenplay. You know, we still like 677 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: for him to win the Best Director, but he won 678 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: one for co writing Black Clansmen. You know, like, oh, 679 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: at that point, you like, it's Spike Lee, Let's give 680 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 1: it time. There are always gonna be those who who've 681 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: been in the game long enough that you want to reward. 682 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: Now Okay, this is okay. So this is good to know. 683 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: The more I'm talking to you, the more I'm feeling 684 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: like it's just a high society. 685 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: Uh. And they are very particular about who they like. 686 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: Now the Academy seems to really love Meryl Street, and 687 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: I am in agreement. 688 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: They love some Merrow. Why are some more love than others? 689 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: You know, Merrow is the epitome of greatness. She's done 690 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: a lot of movies. She's been like that one person 691 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: that you can count on that doesn't have baggage, you know, 692 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: So you know Merrow's is all for the work. What 693 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: do you mean, all about the work, not baggage? What 694 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: do you mean? 695 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 2: You know? 696 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: They're what I mean by baggage. You're like, you have 697 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: other good actors, but you never know you know, uh, 698 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: you know Merrows. I would say Marrow is a tweeter 699 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: need it. She's an a list star, but she's not 700 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: bringing in everybody. You know, She's not a blockbuster a 701 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: actress in terms of like she's not gonna feel seats 702 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: right away, but she's gonna give you a great performance. 703 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: And so like, you know, people always sometimes want to 704 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: rely on the performance as opposed to like who's gonna 705 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: fill seats, you know at the box office. And so 706 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: Merrow's been nominated, you know, as they pointed out last week, 707 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: thirty four times at the Golden Globes, she hasn't won 708 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: thatminee And you gotta remember it, even though she was nominated. 709 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: She's been nominated more times than anybody. At the Oscars 710 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: it was only one three times. She went a good 711 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years straight, you know, without winning it. Know, 712 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: she won. She finally won for The Iron Lady, and 713 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: I think it was more or less like the marketing 714 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: on that one was like you got to give it 715 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: to her at this time. You're not selling her talent, 716 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: You're not selling the film. You're selling the fact that, 717 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: like we can't have a b Susan Lucci in the 718 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: film work. Yeah, don't do my girl Marrow like that. 719 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: After Devil's Wear product, you know, she that jab was 720 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: most mainstream. You can't do it like that. No, no, no, 721 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: not a question. 722 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to know, even though it is it 723 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: is a club a popularity contest, do you feel that 724 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 2: way about the Globes and the and and the SAG 725 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: Awards and the Critics' Choice awards. Do those feel more 726 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 2: even to you in terms of it is truly about 727 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 2: what is good and what is popular. 728 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: The Golden Globes were always they were always going for 729 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: the popular. They know what they're on TV. I'll slay 730 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: last week. I wouldn't say to return to farm. Remember, 731 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: they were kind of bandaged for a year because you know, 732 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: the people they the world finally found out they had 733 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: nobody black in their in their committee, you know, and 734 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: so you know, so they've made a lot of changes 735 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: to add more people to uh, to override whoever the 736 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: old guard is that's still there, and uh, you know, 737 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: so sometimes you know, and they still want to invite 738 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: somebody very popular to bring them out there because they 739 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: know they're on TV. Without the TV coverage, I don't 740 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: know how far the Golden Gloves go, you know. So 741 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: like when you make up a category, a new category 742 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,479 Speaker 1: for best box office Achievement, and you're throwing Taylor Swift 743 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: in there, that's because you just want her there, even 744 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: she doesn't have to wait. We just want it there. 745 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: We just want it there ratings, you know, and so 746 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: then the Critical Choice which I'm which I'm a member of, 747 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: I think that we're a bit different because you know, 748 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: the amount of people that vote in the Critics Choice 749 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: is wide and we're all over the country, so you know, 750 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: so there's no way of telling, you know, if it's 751 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: a popular vote. You know, everybody's gonna vote differently. You 752 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: never know if somebody's thinking like, oh, everybody's gonna vote 753 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: for Oppen Hummer, let me give my vote to somebody else. 754 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people think that way as well as 755 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: well as well. 756 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion 757 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 3: of champion and carry champion and carry chat be out 758 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 3: a champion and carry champion and carry champ entertainment and 759 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: naked kerry champions. The Cary champion is going to be 760 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 3: a champion, a champion. They carry champion, they got a champion, 761 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: they carry chapion and carry chatiment. 762 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: They get work. 763 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 2: So you're on your you vote for the Critics Choice, 764 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 2: like you you watch all the films and you have 765 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: to decide who is winning or nominated. 766 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: You're just one of the votes. You know. We throw 767 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: in our votes to see if our votes can matter, 768 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: to say, you know, there's still the numbers game, like okay, 769 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: how many people voted for so and so to get nominated, 770 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: and then once you got the final six, then we 771 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: vote one one person. Now the question is of that six, 772 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: who got the majority of votes? What does that matter? 773 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: Who got the majority of votes? Does that determine the winner? 774 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: That's determines the winner? Yeah? 775 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, so it's not so you're talking. Okay, 776 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 2: So nominations for the Critics' Choice Awards? Are they similar 777 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 2: to how you explain the nominations for Oscars? 778 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: Yes, because you know, it's still the numbers game, like, okay, 779 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: it's eight thousand people voting. Who's voting for so and so? 780 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: You know, and obviously you know whenever you watch the 781 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: Oscars or some of these awards, they tell you, oh, 782 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: the votes were tabulated by such and such accounting, you know, 783 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: like let somebody else do the work. Yeah, you know, 784 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: let somebody else do the work. We don't want anybody, 785 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: We don't want to such it. Let somebody independent, Yeah 786 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: it votes. Yeah. 787 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: What about for is the SAG Awards? Are your peers 788 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 2: voting for you? 789 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: Correct? Yes? No, yes, the SAG Awards of the big 790 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: block of voters. So yesterday's are actually more recently the 791 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: announcement that was made for the SAG Awards. You know, 792 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: you had some of those who were predicted to get nominated, 793 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: and then you there's always one or two different like 794 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: Sterling K. Brown being mentioned that was a big boost 795 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: for him, which you know, he's halfway to Announscar nomination, 796 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: you know. But it's not the end all be all, 797 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: because there was a period where Regina King, I don't 798 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: remember which one she didn't get nominated for He's a 799 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: Globe or SAG and she still got the Oscar nomination 800 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: and won what what what was it that she won for? What? 801 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: What was the Oscar? Uh? She won the Oscar for uh? 802 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: For Barry Jenkins. If Bill Street could talk, Oh oh, 803 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: oh okay, yeah, she wanted the supporting Actress was if 804 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: Bill Street could talk mm hmm, you know, and it's 805 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: Regina King. So a lot of it, a lot of 806 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: it is more or less like there's the performance and 807 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: then it's Regina King, who had previously won four Emmys. 808 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: She's excellent, She's excellent. 809 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 2: This is so fascinating to me if you were to 810 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:49,800 Speaker 2: able to describe in Layman's terms, what award season, what 811 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 2: awards season means for these these actors and these Directors 812 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,720 Speaker 2: and and and obviously Creative Emmys. I saw that Keiky 813 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: Palmer won one just recently for Best Game Show Hosts, 814 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 2: I believe, and it hadn't been done in fifteen years, 815 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 2: and that's a huge achievement for her. 816 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm assuming these. 817 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: Awards, I would presume set your career in a different trajectory, 818 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 2: and you are for never and you are forever Oscar 819 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 2: nominated or Oscar winning, that's your name. Those are the 820 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 2: two words before your name. I often see that when 821 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 2: I see commercials or I see a project that they're in. 822 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 2: But I remember Viola Davis saying after she was after 823 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 2: she did The Help, and she had all these nominations 824 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 2: and awards, and I don't know if she won for 825 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 2: the Help. I forget did she win for the Help? No, 826 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 2: she won forfenss Best the point of Actors Offenses. She 827 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 2: said she still couldn't get any work. I would presume 828 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 2: that that would put you in a different trajectory. I 829 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 2: read her book and she said that How to Get 830 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 2: Away with Murder was the only thing that allowed her 831 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 2: to show herself in a different way. It was a 832 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 2: television show that she got from Shine and she won 833 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 2: them for that being the first black actress to win 834 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 2: uh in a in a drama role. So my question is, 835 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,439 Speaker 2: what is the point of winning it if you can't 836 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 2: find any work? Holly Berry said the same. Well, you know, 837 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: it goes back to what I say, Negret. I think 838 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 2: it's a little bit different when you're a person of color. 839 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 2: You know, you know, we we get you know, like 840 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 2: you can talk to a lot of people with want 841 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 2: of Lewis gosst Junior. I think he's talked about how, 842 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 2: you know, eating It wasn't like the phones were ringing 843 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 2: and so forth. But I always feel like, you know, one, 844 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 2: it's not easy. Two, who's representing you? You know, you 845 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 2: know who's representing you because you're the talent. You know, 846 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, when you 847 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 2: hear these athletes making such and such money, the talent 848 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 2: got them there, but it's somebody negotiating the deal to 849 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 2: get them as much as they deserve, you know. So 850 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 2: it's all about like, you know, even more recently, you 851 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 2: know you're hearing to Rob you talk about like what's 852 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 2: going on, YadA YadA. But I'm like, okay, it's easier 853 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 2: sending it done. I'm not saying it. 854 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, like that they're wrong. But I'm like, okay, 855 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: which is part of your team? Like okay, you know 856 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: what's the you know what is being offered, you know, 857 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: and sometimes you know, some people could be in a 858 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: position where they can't say no because they need work. 859 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: Everybody wants to work money I got today. You know, 860 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: you think you could be a no. You could be 861 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: a known actor and realize you know, I've seen actors 862 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: like dude, although you see me, keep in mind, I 863 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: shot that movie a year or two ago. You know, 864 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: the money's gone, you know what I'm saying. It's not 865 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: like I got a lot. You know, I'm looking for 866 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: the next job. You know, it's like, you know, you 867 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 1: got to continue to work. Sometimes, you see actors always 868 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,919 Speaker 1: sometimes it's better off if you're a supporting actor because 869 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: you get I think, more offers to be at work 870 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: to get work, as opposed to when you're a leading actor, 871 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: you're responsible to lead and deliver. 872 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know very This is so fascinating. It's 873 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 2: such a fascinating world. Uh, this Hollywood business that I 874 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 2: know very little about. It's so different from the world 875 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 2: in which I live. When you when you think about 876 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 2: and you hear about what Taraji says. What really resonated 877 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 2: with me with her specifically, was that she said, every 878 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 2: time she breaks one other barrier or one other glass ceiling, 879 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 2: she gets into a new room and she still has 880 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 2: to say, here's my resume. 881 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: And I wonder. 882 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 2: Is it because of her team or is it because 883 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 2: there's a real problem in Hollywood and they do not 884 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 2: respect black talent the way they do other talent. 885 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: I think goes both ways. You know, I can't say 886 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: it's only happening to black talent. I think it's some blinds. Listen, 887 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: if you're a white talent, it's much more harder because 888 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they can look at you and say 889 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: you're a diamond. Doesn't you know we can find any 890 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: any cute blonde. You know, it's like I did. But 891 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: at the same time, they're getting the opportunity to be 892 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: in the room, and that's the problem. So it's like 893 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: Hyola said, listen, we want to have this if we 894 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: were given the opportunity, you know, so don't just you know, 895 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: bring me in because you need a black actor, you know, 896 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: bring me in because you need talent, and you know, 897 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: put my name on the list. Let me show you 898 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: what I can do, you know, and sometimes, you know, 899 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: Evie surprised. You know, certain actors are still auditioning even 900 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: if they want awards, because they still have to be 901 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:12,919 Speaker 1: the right fit. 902 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:13,800 Speaker 3: You know. 903 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: We don't always hear a lot of stories about who 904 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: lost what job and so forth, because sometimes it's a 905 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: question of the right fit. Sometimes you'll hear about it 906 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: afterwards when an actor says, oh, I didn't get this row, 907 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 1: Oh I turned down that row, you know, because they're 908 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: more comfortable now saying it. 909 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 2: Well, let's be he's more specific, because I think I'm 910 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 2: not asking the question correctly. The layman is looking at 911 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 2: what Taraji has done, Benjamin Button's Hustle and Flow. 912 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: What was the other one that she was in? 913 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 2: Oh, her work on television right Empire, there was another 914 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 2: a baby Boy, even if we go. 915 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 1: Back to a ghetto black classic. 916 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 2: By the way, you know, I think of the work 917 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 2: that she's done, and hands down, I think she's an 918 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 2: extreme talent. And she said that the first time she 919 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 2: ever got a real quote, it's never changed. Is that 920 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 2: normal for an actor of her of her stature. She 921 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 2: was an opposite Brad Pitt in Benjamin buttons. That's okay, 922 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 2: let's get from Here's where I want to clarify. 923 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: Okay, help me. So she did Benjamin Button with Brad Pitt, 924 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: but the co star of that was Kate Blanchet. Forgot 925 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: all it was so so it wasn't just it's Roggie, 926 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm honest with you, it was Kate Blanchet. 927 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: It's Roggie got the Supporting Actress nomination because she did 928 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: a good job, you know. So that's when when you 929 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: get that OSCAR nomination. Now you have to talk to 930 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: your team and be like, Okay, where do we go 931 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: from here? You know, what can you get me? Can't 932 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: just you know, clothes, models can't be fed, you know, 933 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: either you have to go for it and you know, 934 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: like or talk to your team and say, what is 935 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: being offered to you? You know what? You know, show 936 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: me something that has gives gives me range, you know, 937 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: as opposed to me playing something that everybody assumes I'm 938 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: gonna do. You know, so it goes you know, I 939 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,959 Speaker 1: I can't speak for the actors because I'm not an actor. 940 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how the game is played. I've never auditioned, 941 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: so I can't speak for what they go through. I'm 942 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: sure a lot of them go through a lot, especially women, 943 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: a lot of black women go through a heartache because 944 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, as we know, there'll be more black males 945 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: given the opportunity than black women. You know, for you example, 946 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: why is it that we still only have Halle Berry 947 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 1: is the only actress black actress to win Best Actress? 948 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: I literally ask myself that question. 949 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 2: And then whenever I hear people talk about projects or 950 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 2: projects they want to do, they always go to She's 951 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 2: the go to of who you want to play a role. 952 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: And I'm all like, well, is that There's so many more? 953 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: There's so many more? So where how do you? How 954 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: do you, in your opinion, address that in Hollywood? Can 955 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: it be fixed? Will it ever change? It can be 956 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: fixed if you have the people above you believe in you. 957 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: You know, look at this little bit that happened, though, 958 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: how does that get You've got to you know, it's 959 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: got to be somebody that's you know, look look, for example, 960 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: Gaston never heard of her prior to this here. You know, 961 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard of my film. What I'm trying 962 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: to say is, prior to this mart Escort Sase film, 963 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: if you ask ten people who she is, they will 964 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 1: tell you we don't know who she is. And she's 965 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, a woman of you know, of minority and indignus, 966 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, dative American. And she because she's in a 967 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese film, because he's a high status. Look at 968 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: the visibility she's getting, you know. So it goes to like, Okay, 969 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: you can either have to have somebody big enough to 970 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: put you in that position or you got to go 971 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: to them. It's like, listen, you know you have anything. 972 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: I can be a part of that, Like I can 973 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: stand out in a film like for example, The Holdovers 974 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: with dave Ryn Jordan. Randolph Alexander Payne is a true 975 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: time oscar In, I believe, and people like his movies, 976 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, going way back to when he did Election 977 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: with Reese Wisboem and some other films. The fact that 978 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: she was in his movie, people had her on the 979 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,719 Speaker 1: list of possibly to getting a nomination going back to 980 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: last January simply because she's in his movie Sight Unseen. Okay, 981 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,320 Speaker 1: but I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know. 982 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm asking. 983 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 2: Even if you go, I have a hard time believing 984 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,280 Speaker 2: that these black actresses aren't knocking on doors and asking 985 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 2: to be in films? How do they be The question 986 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 2: is how, how in this town, Hollywood, can we be 987 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,760 Speaker 2: seen and heard as a black actress outside of asking. 988 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 2: I don't think they're sitting there, you know, I just 989 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 2: have a hard time believing black actresses are like, I'm 990 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 2: not gonna ask. 991 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: You know, the black actresses farewell when they do TV. 992 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: You know, we obviously you look to see what Viola did, 993 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: what Kerrie Washington did, what Lisa did. You know, with 994 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: the exception that Lisa, Carrie and Viola had a long 995 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: career in the film business, but it wasn't until they 996 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: did TV where they got a biggest status, you know, 997 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: more visibility. They were able to you know, to do 998 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,120 Speaker 1: well with the roles they were given on TV. With films. 999 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: Films are different, you know, like I think, you know, 1000 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 1: it's a matter of you can have a great role, 1001 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: but you still people need you still need people to 1002 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: see it, you know. So there's there's a lot of 1003 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: factors in there. You can have a great role, doesn't 1004 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: matter who directed it. You look at you know, you 1005 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: go back to get Out. That was a small film 1006 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: formullion dollar budget, you know, no one knew who Daniel 1007 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: Koulua was. You know, Jordan Peel was like, oh, this 1008 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: is a guy from the Comedy Central show. Whatever that 1009 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,360 Speaker 1: would but they but the story was great, and the 1010 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 1: rumor started about how good this movie was, you know, 1011 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: and then people want to go see it and they 1012 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,759 Speaker 1: became names afterwards. So when it comes to black actresses, 1013 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, you can still get that project. Now, 1014 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: let's let's let the it starts off with the critics, 1015 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, where we say this is a great performance. 1016 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys can go see it. And then if 1017 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,919 Speaker 1: people go see it, now let's let's keep the marketing going. 1018 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 1: It's a machine. It keeps going. It's got to keep 1019 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: going to the point where you're highly recognized and there's 1020 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: a timetable, and you're better off coming out with a 1021 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,800 Speaker 1: film in the fall. We can be in the running 1022 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: contender for an Oscar. Then when you're coming out earlier 1023 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 1: in the year, because when you're coming out in the fall, 1024 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: you get free publicity because your movie is still in theaters. 1025 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,840 Speaker 2: I wish there was a playbook that explained this, because 1026 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm not educated enough to tell you that. I'm pretty 1027 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 2: sure there are other there there, and I'm not even 1028 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,799 Speaker 2: speaking just about black actresses, but marginalized. Since we talked 1029 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 2: about Taraji, there are marginalized actresses who who who I 1030 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 2: believe will probably say I did all the things I 1031 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,879 Speaker 2: still was never seen or heard as. 1032 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: Last Michelle, yeah, she won first Asian actress to win 1033 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: Best Actress. You know, she definitely says the film was 1034 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 1: nominated though, right, Yeah, but but it was nominated because 1035 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,280 Speaker 1: it did very well and a lot and the people 1036 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: saw it. You look at Kei Kwan who won with her. 1037 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,920 Speaker 1: You know, this is the kid from Indiana Jones from 1038 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: thirty years ago, and he was telling you he couldn't 1039 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,200 Speaker 1: get jobs. I saw him in the show one time 1040 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: and he was like, sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. 1041 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 1: You go all Awards show, they thought he was the waiters. 1042 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: It's a tough part out there, you know, and you 1043 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,839 Speaker 1: can't give it up because at the end of the day, 1044 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,320 Speaker 1: you don't get in this business to win oscars. You 1045 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: don't get in this business. You know, you get in 1046 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,359 Speaker 1: this business because you just want to work. You know, Yeah, 1047 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: if you're going to work, he wants you love this 1048 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: business because you want to work. If Accolades comes afterwards, 1049 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,239 Speaker 1: it means because this movie resonated with people, it got 1050 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 1: to the right people. They can make that decision. 1051 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,839 Speaker 2: So, but how do you get the money? How does 1052 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 2: Saraji get her quote? How does she get her quote 1053 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 2: up from Benjamin Buttons. That's what I'm not talking about 1054 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 2: her being nominated. I'm asking work getting money now. Like 1055 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 2: I said before that it's it's not her because she's 1056 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 2: not in that position to see. She's not in that 1057 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,600 Speaker 2: position to see what somebody else got. You know, she 1058 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 2: could be in a position to ask, what are my 1059 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 2: counterparts black or white getting? 1060 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: You know, who's got similar careers as mine, and tell 1061 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 1: me how I'm getting less more than them? You know. 1062 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,760 Speaker 1: So she's obviously no one's gonna show her accounting books. 1063 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: That's why I mean, you got to have the right team. 1064 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 1: It's say, okay, I can't ask, but you can't. You're 1065 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: an agent. You can call up people and find out 1066 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,279 Speaker 1: what is song? So get? We just did the same job. 1067 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: You know, what is she getting? I should get more? 1068 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: I got this mount of body work. I should get more? 1069 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: What is song? So get? After she got her nomination, 1070 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, look at you know not to get off 1071 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 1: of color. But a couple of years ago, Michelle Williams 1072 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 1: did a movie. Well they had to do reshoots, you know, 1073 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: her and Mark Wahlberg and and sort of reshows. Mark 1074 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,759 Speaker 1: Warburg got a million dollars. Mishelle Williams got paid a thousand. Yeah, 1075 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,759 Speaker 1: I remember. And she's a four time nominee. Yeah, this damn, 1076 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 1: I give a four time nominated actress is nice. 1077 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 2: I'm getting frustrated. Okay, so I have to I have 1078 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 2: to let you go soon. Okay, So I'm really I'm 1079 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,879 Speaker 2: really curious. Can you please tell me who's going to win. 1080 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 2: Who's gonna be the big, the big. Gimme a couple 1081 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 2: of TV shows and a couple of movies that you 1082 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 2: think will be the big, the big favorites during this 1083 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 2: award season. 1084 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,160 Speaker 1: There are any award seasons we've got With the Emmys 1085 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,360 Speaker 1: coming up, We've got uh Succession is gonna be a 1086 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 1: big winner. You know, You've got Beef is going to 1087 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: win in the limited series category. You've got. Now what's 1088 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: interesting is because those votes were given with handed in 1089 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 1: in October, it'll be interesting to see if Abbot Elementary 1090 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: still had its charm to beat the Bear yeah, you know, 1091 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 1: because lastly Abbot Elementary was the new kid on the block. 1092 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 1: The bear has been doing anything. It's a one of 1093 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: those two. Yeah, it's is a one of those two 1094 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna come out, you know. On the film side, 1095 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: I believe, you know Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan, uh, Lily, it's 1096 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 1: gonna be I think between Lily Gladstone and Emma Stone, 1097 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,520 Speaker 1: who's in a movie called Poor Things. For supporting actor, 1098 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: it could be anywhere from Robert Downey Junior or Sterling. 1099 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: If the actors were I believe they're gonna get nominated. 1100 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,440 Speaker 1: That each have skin in the game. They each have 1101 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,280 Speaker 1: their own fan base, you know. I think for supporting actresses, 1102 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: Davin and Jeory Ranolph has been running away with it 1103 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: so far. But I think we'll see what happens with Sag, 1104 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: see whether or not Danielle Brooks can catch up to her. 1105 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,400 Speaker 1: You know, because at this point last year, Angelo Bastart 1106 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: was winning and then Jimmie Lee Curtis one Sag and 1107 00:56:58,719 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: the rest was history. 1108 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, listen here, Wilson Morales, thanks for breaking it 1109 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 2: all down to me. If I was an actress, I'd 1110 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,240 Speaker 2: be incredibly frustrated. But I experienced the same in my business. 1111 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, you 1112 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 1: do what you do. 1113 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm sure I don't do for awards. 1114 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 2: I'm talking about money. I'm talking about regulation in. 1115 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: Terms of money. Knowing what you got right now, I'm 1116 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 1: sure you got a team that negotiated this for you. 1117 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 2: Sure, And I always want more and I don't think 1118 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 2: they negotiate enough. The same frustrations that. 1119 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 1: Point you're I gotta get rid of my team. I 1120 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 1: gotta get rid of my team, is what you're saying. 1121 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, that's your mouth. I'm 1122 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: saying that I'm sad. But the same point being is like, 1123 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're you have this platform right now, and 1124 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: you got people that watch it, you know, and obviously 1125 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: you know it's it's you know, whether or not you're 1126 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,120 Speaker 1: producing your own thing. You have more, you have more 1127 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: accessibility to figure out what kind of numbers we're doing, 1128 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 1: how we're doing compare to others. You know, then you 1129 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: can go on there. So I should get more if 1130 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 1: you find out you're the number one podcast like out, 1131 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,520 Speaker 1: I should be getting more than what this guy's getting. 1132 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm hearing these deals just coming. 1133 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 2: Through you know, so, and if it's not you and 1134 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 2: you need it, you need somebody on your team that 1135 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,480 Speaker 2: can negotiate that and command that for you as opposed 1136 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,720 Speaker 2: to being afraid to ask for that. 1137 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the talent can't do it all. You know, it's hard. 1138 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 1: You can't do it all. Let me just that's the 1139 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,760 Speaker 1: this podcast. Thank you for that, Wilson Morales. I just like, 1140 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,600 Speaker 1: definitely can't do it all. That's interesting. I can't do 1141 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 1: it all. It's like you're a front of the camera, 1142 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, to somebody else and just recording this and 1143 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 1: making sure ed hard. 1144 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, all this other stuff. You're right, all right, talk 1145 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 2: you'll talk, you'll talk yo for me. 1146 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: Wilson. 1147 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,880 Speaker 2: You are extremely entertaining. Thank you so much, extremely knowledgeable. 1148 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time. Save travels 1149 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 2: to California. I'll be there as well. And this podcast 1150 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 2: again will air on Monday so our people can understand 1151 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 2: a little bit about the world of Hollywood, because it 1152 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 2: is a very complex situation for those of us who 1153 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 2: don't understand how it all works. And you made it 1154 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,280 Speaker 2: very very palable palable. What is the word palpable? Yes, 1155 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 2: that's the worst. 1156 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,440 Speaker 1: Thank you twist myself. I'm not going to say it. 1157 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 2: It's palpable. Yes, thank you so much, Wilson. And you 1158 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 2: have a safe flight, okay, Yes, and hopefully I'll see 1159 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,440 Speaker 2: you at some point, whether it be one of these 1160 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,320 Speaker 2: award hills or. 1161 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: You'll see me and you'll see me in these You're 1162 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,120 Speaker 1: in New York, right, Yes, I'm in New York. You 1163 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,840 Speaker 1: can see me in these New York streets. I feel 1164 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,680 Speaker 1: like it's gonna happen sooner. 1165 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,040 Speaker 2: You should have been out there one day. I went 1166 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 2: to go see you left. How I saw my friend 1167 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 2: Sonny was sunny when she said she loved she said, 1168 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 2: she said it was yes, she said it was really entertaining. 1169 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 1: It's entertaining. F guy Gray, expect no less, you know, 1170 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 1: good for him. Okay, have a great one. Pay care, 1171 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: pay care care. I have a little list here, not 1172 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: that it matters. 1173 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 2: But by the time you listen to this podcast, perhaps 1174 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 2: the Emmys, which which are on Monday, Martina the King Holiday, 1175 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 2: maybe they've already aired. Uh, but know that there is 1176 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,480 Speaker 2: still time for you to watch the SAG Awards, which 1177 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 2: is where other actors vote on other actors' performances. There 1178 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 2: is still time to watch the Oscars, which happens a 1179 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,120 Speaker 2: little later in a month or so, the nominations will 1180 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,000 Speaker 2: be coming out. I would be really curious to hear 1181 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 2: your take on some of these films. Some you may 1182 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 2: not have watched, some you probably will go back and watch. 1183 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 2: I always believe that when I talk to my community 1184 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 2: of friends and people who I meet out and about, 1185 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,480 Speaker 2: we always it appears collectively disagree with what the Oscar 1186 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 2: voters think, or what that very special group of people 1187 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 2: who vote on SAG or perhaps who vote on for 1188 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,840 Speaker 2: the Emmys or Critics' Choice Awards. They my friends, my peers, 1189 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,960 Speaker 2: my group feels differently than what has been selected. And 1190 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,200 Speaker 2: there's truly a disconnect there is. It's truly an elite world. 1191 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Hollywood is an elite town, and if you can break 1192 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,160 Speaker 2: in and break through, good for you. 1193 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 1: But the way in which. 1194 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,920 Speaker 2: Wilson describes it on today's podcast lets me know that 1195 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 2: there is an old guard that protects the gate, that 1196 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 2: protects the entry way into being the cool kids. And 1197 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 2: sometimes they just don't want to let you in. Sometimes 1198 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 2: they feel like you have to pay your dues. Sometimes 1199 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 2: they don't want you to be too good too soon. 1200 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:22,480 Speaker 2: But then Sometimes your excellence is undeniable. Sometimes you're associated 1201 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 2: with the project that is a Martin Scorsese project, so 1202 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot of attention. Sometimes you're 1203 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 2: in the right place at the right time, in the 1204 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 2: right film. I can't figure out the formula, and I 1205 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 2: don't think there is a formula. Back to my original 1206 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,400 Speaker 2: point at the top of this podcast. That's why certain 1207 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,960 Speaker 2: actresses like an Angela Basset or a Taragi say they're exhausted. 1208 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 2: There are probably more roles, as mentioned by Wilson, more 1209 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 2: roles that are more significant for black and brown men 1210 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 2: than there are for women. And that also is a 1211 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,400 Speaker 2: problem in Hollywood. You don't hear about a lot of 1212 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,680 Speaker 2: female directors being nominated. You don't hear a lot about 1213 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 2: women who write being nominated. It is. It is still 1214 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:07,520 Speaker 2: very much a man's world. Hopefully, hopefully that'll change. Hopefully 1215 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 2: some of that old guard will disappear and they'll bring 1216 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 2: in a new crop of people who see things differently, 1217 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 2: who search out different people who are in different projects, 1218 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 2: who don't look like them, who aren't who aren't a 1219 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,840 Speaker 2: part of a cool kids club. That's what I'm hoping for. 1220 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I'm truly entertained by all of 1221 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,080 Speaker 2: the projects that are out there. I encourage you to 1222 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,920 Speaker 2: watch all the shows that are being nominated and all 1223 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 2: of the films that have been nominated, because they really 1224 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,360 Speaker 2: are good overall. 1225 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back next week.