1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:18,026 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. What's going on Everyone. It is 3 00:00:18,066 --> 00:00:21,546 Speaker 1: a brand new edition of NFL Explained Mike yam along 4 00:00:21,626 --> 00:00:24,746 Speaker 1: with my super Bowl champ m Rob in the house. 5 00:00:24,866 --> 00:00:27,946 Speaker 1: You're feeling good today? I'm feeling excellent, Yams. I'm breathing, 6 00:00:28,066 --> 00:00:30,386 Speaker 1: my family is okay, and I get to share a 7 00:00:30,466 --> 00:00:34,186 Speaker 1: podcast with the Man, the myth, the legend himself, Mike 8 00:00:34,266 --> 00:00:37,906 Speaker 1: yams All. I gotta learn my lesson of asking you 9 00:00:37,906 --> 00:00:40,826 Speaker 1: were always in a good mood. It's kind of amazing. Well, 10 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:42,986 Speaker 1: because that's one thing that we have control over. We 11 00:00:42,986 --> 00:00:45,786 Speaker 1: can have control over how we respond everything. So yeah, yeah, no, 12 00:00:45,866 --> 00:00:48,826 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a good life philosophy and mantra 13 00:00:48,906 --> 00:00:52,266 Speaker 1: that I will try to implement in my own life. But, um, 14 00:00:52,306 --> 00:00:54,386 Speaker 1: you know one thing, not only could I say your 15 00:00:54,426 --> 00:00:56,706 Speaker 1: super Bowl champ and the most positive person that I know, 16 00:00:57,546 --> 00:00:59,706 Speaker 1: can I use another word to describe you? It's not 17 00:00:59,746 --> 00:01:03,706 Speaker 1: offensive either. It's a good thing. Trailblazer. Have you heard 18 00:01:03,746 --> 00:01:07,026 Speaker 1: that before in your past? Well? Not really? Okay, Well, 19 00:01:07,026 --> 00:01:10,386 Speaker 1: please explain. I actually think it is an appropriate title 20 00:01:10,466 --> 00:01:12,346 Speaker 1: for you because I think the one that you have 21 00:01:12,466 --> 00:01:17,226 Speaker 1: heard is dual threat? Oh you've been you can call 22 00:01:17,346 --> 00:01:20,026 Speaker 1: that a couple of times. Dual threat quarterback. All right, 23 00:01:20,226 --> 00:01:21,866 Speaker 1: I want you to rewind for a second, because when 24 00:01:21,866 --> 00:01:24,226 Speaker 1: you're at Penn State, you know the reality is back 25 00:01:24,266 --> 00:01:28,026 Speaker 1: in see thousand six, we heard that phrase before. Like 26 00:01:28,106 --> 00:01:30,266 Speaker 1: that's not something that we hadn't heard, but like you 27 00:01:30,306 --> 00:01:33,346 Speaker 1: were legit dual threat, like not just a guy who 28 00:01:33,346 --> 00:01:35,266 Speaker 1: could play quarterback and run a little bit or a 29 00:01:35,346 --> 00:01:38,066 Speaker 1: runner who was playing quarterback, Like you could thrive in 30 00:01:38,266 --> 00:01:40,306 Speaker 1: both of those scenarios. So is that a cool title 31 00:01:40,306 --> 00:01:42,986 Speaker 1: for you? Act? It is cool, But to me, I 32 00:01:43,026 --> 00:01:46,626 Speaker 1: think dual threat turned into a negative thing. You get 33 00:01:46,666 --> 00:01:48,106 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And I know it's good that you know. 34 00:01:48,146 --> 00:01:49,746 Speaker 1: They say the more that you can do, you can run, 35 00:01:49,746 --> 00:01:51,826 Speaker 1: you can do this. But what happened was when you 36 00:01:51,866 --> 00:01:53,866 Speaker 1: show a lot of these teams that you can run 37 00:01:53,906 --> 00:01:56,306 Speaker 1: the football and you are a great runner, oftentimes they say, 38 00:01:56,346 --> 00:01:58,146 Speaker 1: oh no, let's just hand them the ball and not 39 00:01:58,186 --> 00:02:00,066 Speaker 1: allow them to play quarterback. All right, So you and 40 00:02:00,106 --> 00:02:03,066 Speaker 1: I are going to go through this whole identity of 41 00:02:03,106 --> 00:02:06,146 Speaker 1: the dual threat quarterback who can do what the numb birds, 42 00:02:06,666 --> 00:02:09,706 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But the modernization of NFL offenses. That 43 00:02:09,866 --> 00:02:13,266 Speaker 1: is our topic today here on the NFL Explained podcast. 44 00:02:13,346 --> 00:02:15,746 Speaker 1: There's a ton of analysis to get to you. But 45 00:02:15,786 --> 00:02:18,546 Speaker 1: what do you think the biggest influences on what we're 46 00:02:18,586 --> 00:02:23,226 Speaker 1: seeing offensively and these philosophies that have evolved over time? Man? 47 00:02:23,946 --> 00:02:26,986 Speaker 1: Where do I start? Yeah, it's so much here, It's 48 00:02:27,026 --> 00:02:28,946 Speaker 1: so much when I was when I knew we were 49 00:02:28,986 --> 00:02:31,586 Speaker 1: talking about this, Man, my brain just got going because 50 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:34,986 Speaker 1: obviously everybody sees the spread system, which is in the 51 00:02:35,106 --> 00:02:37,666 Speaker 1: National Yal League. Right. You know when I say spread, 52 00:02:37,746 --> 00:02:40,746 Speaker 1: I mean you have your five offensive alignement. Oftentimes you 53 00:02:40,786 --> 00:02:43,546 Speaker 1: have a quarterback in the shotgun with the running back. 54 00:02:43,626 --> 00:02:46,266 Speaker 1: Possibly the running back is split out somewhere, and you 55 00:02:46,346 --> 00:02:49,546 Speaker 1: have four wide receivers or five wide receivers, all your 56 00:02:49,546 --> 00:02:52,986 Speaker 1: eligibles just out and wide right. And what's happening is 57 00:02:53,026 --> 00:02:55,866 Speaker 1: the defense has to adjust. The defense has to cover guys. 58 00:02:55,906 --> 00:02:57,386 Speaker 1: They have to show whether they're in zone. I have 59 00:02:57,426 --> 00:03:01,786 Speaker 1: to show whether they're in man. And I think this 60 00:03:01,986 --> 00:03:04,866 Speaker 1: trend started from the bottom and went up. And what 61 00:03:04,906 --> 00:03:07,346 Speaker 1: I mean by that is I'm in youth football. I 62 00:03:07,386 --> 00:03:10,386 Speaker 1: sit on the NFL Legends Youth Advisory Committee. We were 63 00:03:10,466 --> 00:03:12,466 Speaker 1: charged the right in the football curriculum for all the 64 00:03:12,506 --> 00:03:15,786 Speaker 1: football so that apparent youth football coach can have the 65 00:03:15,826 --> 00:03:18,106 Speaker 1: fundamentals of how to teach the game. And the reason 66 00:03:18,146 --> 00:03:20,866 Speaker 1: why that committee was formed is because I feel and 67 00:03:20,906 --> 00:03:23,106 Speaker 1: a lot of former players feel that we have a 68 00:03:23,106 --> 00:03:26,626 Speaker 1: coaching problem in the younger levels and the youth levels. 69 00:03:26,626 --> 00:03:29,786 Speaker 1: And what's happened quite frankly, Mike, and just just gonna 70 00:03:29,786 --> 00:03:33,266 Speaker 1: be frank with you, bad coaching has led to and 71 00:03:33,306 --> 00:03:35,546 Speaker 1: I'm talking one on the youth level, has led to 72 00:03:35,746 --> 00:03:37,586 Speaker 1: coaches on the youth level just saying, you know what, 73 00:03:37,786 --> 00:03:40,986 Speaker 1: who's my best player. Who's the guy that can throw, 74 00:03:41,266 --> 00:03:44,706 Speaker 1: can run, nobody can tackle who he's just that much better. 75 00:03:45,226 --> 00:03:47,026 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make him the quarterback. He's gonna touch the 76 00:03:47,066 --> 00:03:50,226 Speaker 1: ball every single time, and I don't have to coach. 77 00:03:50,666 --> 00:03:54,266 Speaker 1: Is hard, and I think that formula kind of worked 78 00:03:54,266 --> 00:03:56,866 Speaker 1: this way into college football, and college football is a 79 00:03:56,906 --> 00:03:59,506 Speaker 1: little bit more of a business, so coaches they have 80 00:03:59,586 --> 00:04:01,906 Speaker 1: to let these guys play earlier. They have to adapt 81 00:04:01,946 --> 00:04:03,826 Speaker 1: to what these guys are used to from high school 82 00:04:03,866 --> 00:04:06,506 Speaker 1: in little league so that they can win faster, So 83 00:04:06,546 --> 00:04:08,906 Speaker 1: that these guys can play earlier. It's about recruiting and 84 00:04:08,946 --> 00:04:11,306 Speaker 1: things like that. So I think coaches jobs played a 85 00:04:11,386 --> 00:04:14,946 Speaker 1: role in these offenses evolving really really fast to keep 86 00:04:15,026 --> 00:04:17,346 Speaker 1: up with the players that they were recruiting. And I 87 00:04:17,386 --> 00:04:20,706 Speaker 1: think in when the Philadelphi Eagles won the Super Bowl, 88 00:04:20,786 --> 00:04:25,226 Speaker 1: I think it legitimize the style, meaning that spread system, 89 00:04:25,306 --> 00:04:29,226 Speaker 1: meaning a bunch of r p os, basically that backyard 90 00:04:29,306 --> 00:04:32,466 Speaker 1: that you football being in a park style of playing football. 91 00:04:32,506 --> 00:04:35,626 Speaker 1: I think that's what's happened with the modern day, especially offense. Yeah, 92 00:04:35,626 --> 00:04:37,706 Speaker 1: So I think something that you're touching on is really 93 00:04:37,706 --> 00:04:40,306 Speaker 1: fascinating to me because I've had this conversation a lot 94 00:04:40,346 --> 00:04:43,506 Speaker 1: over the years, and it's this idea that high school 95 00:04:43,706 --> 00:04:47,266 Speaker 1: football influences the college game, the college game influences the 96 00:04:47,346 --> 00:04:50,226 Speaker 1: NFL game. And I think it's almost counterintuitive to how 97 00:04:50,266 --> 00:04:52,186 Speaker 1: most people would think, well, the pros do it this 98 00:04:52,226 --> 00:04:55,946 Speaker 1: way and then everyone else follows suit, because it does 99 00:04:56,026 --> 00:04:57,946 Speaker 1: feel like if we're gonna talk about offenses here and 100 00:04:57,986 --> 00:05:00,346 Speaker 1: spreading the whole, like a lot of this stuff does 101 00:05:00,546 --> 00:05:04,146 Speaker 1: start at a lesser level. Think about it, Mike, where 102 00:05:04,146 --> 00:05:08,026 Speaker 1: you're getting your players from the NFL, their amateur system 103 00:05:08,106 --> 00:05:11,106 Speaker 1: is college, right, so for these guys to be able 104 00:05:11,106 --> 00:05:14,066 Speaker 1: to be NFL ready and play faster. The great coaches 105 00:05:14,106 --> 00:05:16,866 Speaker 1: adapt see it, and I can sider myself a pretty 106 00:05:16,866 --> 00:05:19,946 Speaker 1: good coach. Okay, I don't believe there's any human being 107 00:05:20,026 --> 00:05:22,906 Speaker 1: walking the planet that a coach can't get through too. 108 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:26,066 Speaker 1: It's on the coach. Everybody can learn. It's on the coach. 109 00:05:26,066 --> 00:05:28,586 Speaker 1: And so what you've seen, especially at the NFL level, 110 00:05:28,586 --> 00:05:31,986 Speaker 1: they're saying, Okay, if from an ownership standpoint, I'm gonna 111 00:05:31,986 --> 00:05:34,026 Speaker 1: only have this job X amount of years, I gotta 112 00:05:34,066 --> 00:05:36,346 Speaker 1: get these guys playing as fast as possible. So what's 113 00:05:36,346 --> 00:05:38,386 Speaker 1: happening is they're going into college to dip it into 114 00:05:38,386 --> 00:05:41,226 Speaker 1: these kids playbooks and saying, let's just take their playbook 115 00:05:41,226 --> 00:05:43,466 Speaker 1: and let's let them play fast now so that they 116 00:05:43,466 --> 00:05:45,586 Speaker 1: can come in and know what they're doing college. Same 117 00:05:45,626 --> 00:05:48,826 Speaker 1: way I just talked about it, right, colleges, they're recruiting 118 00:05:48,866 --> 00:05:51,146 Speaker 1: young players out of high school. So what's the best 119 00:05:51,226 --> 00:05:53,346 Speaker 1: way to get them ready to play earlier. Go to 120 00:05:53,426 --> 00:05:56,306 Speaker 1: the high school, see what they're doing, and implement that offense. 121 00:05:56,466 --> 00:05:59,146 Speaker 1: So I get it. People are like, hey, pass happy. 122 00:05:59,186 --> 00:06:01,226 Speaker 1: The numbers have to bear it out. I'll say this, 123 00:06:01,546 --> 00:06:04,866 Speaker 1: you actually haven't seen a huge, massive uptick and passing 124 00:06:04,986 --> 00:06:08,266 Speaker 1: rates over the last last twenty years. Only one team 125 00:06:08,466 --> 00:06:11,786 Speaker 1: ran it more than it passed last year. That was Philly. Yeah, 126 00:06:12,026 --> 00:06:15,666 Speaker 1: ten teams threw it at over a sixty clip. Tampa Bay, 127 00:06:15,666 --> 00:06:18,746 Speaker 1: by the way, attempted passes on sixty of their place. 128 00:06:18,786 --> 00:06:22,226 Speaker 1: And that's not really surprising when you think about the 129 00:06:22,266 --> 00:06:25,026 Speaker 1: amount of firepower in the NFL and the shifts to 130 00:06:25,266 --> 00:06:27,866 Speaker 1: a passing game. But despite all of this, we actually 131 00:06:27,866 --> 00:06:31,586 Speaker 1: have seen a huge shift in quarterback formations and two 132 00:06:31,666 --> 00:06:35,666 Speaker 1: thousand NFL quarterbacks took only fourteen point six percent of 133 00:06:35,706 --> 00:06:39,666 Speaker 1: their snaps in shotgun. That number is actually steadily increased 134 00:06:39,666 --> 00:06:43,946 Speaker 1: to the point where of the snaps are taken in 135 00:06:43,986 --> 00:06:46,386 Speaker 1: the gun like that you watch these games, it's like 136 00:06:47,466 --> 00:06:51,426 Speaker 1: it really is. That's actually a four time increased, so 137 00:06:51,466 --> 00:06:53,546 Speaker 1: as you might expect. And this is something that you 138 00:06:53,586 --> 00:06:55,666 Speaker 1: touched on a little bit earlier in the podcast where 139 00:06:55,826 --> 00:06:58,666 Speaker 1: you're pulling from your your farm system, so to speak. 140 00:06:58,666 --> 00:07:01,666 Speaker 1: As the college game. Super popular in the college level, 141 00:07:02,106 --> 00:07:05,106 Speaker 1: RPO run pass option that has taken off. According to 142 00:07:05,106 --> 00:07:09,386 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, r PO usage has nearly tripled since 143 00:07:09,466 --> 00:07:13,306 Speaker 1: just going from eight point seven percent of plays to 144 00:07:13,426 --> 00:07:18,226 Speaker 1: twenty three point five percent. But em Rod, we watch 145 00:07:18,266 --> 00:07:20,746 Speaker 1: a lot of college football these days. Guys are rarely 146 00:07:20,866 --> 00:07:23,666 Speaker 1: under center halftime. You don't even see guys even huddle up. 147 00:07:23,866 --> 00:07:25,906 Speaker 1: Go to a high school game, that's never even happening. 148 00:07:26,266 --> 00:07:28,986 Speaker 1: The change of offensive philosophy in the NFL. Is it 149 00:07:29,186 --> 00:07:32,506 Speaker 1: mostly due to the fact that high school quarterbacks college 150 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:35,826 Speaker 1: quarterbacks like they just don't do it. Yeah, I think 151 00:07:35,986 --> 00:07:37,426 Speaker 1: that has a lot to do with it. You talk 152 00:07:37,506 --> 00:07:39,506 Speaker 1: about R. P. O. S Man again, and you said 153 00:07:39,786 --> 00:07:44,466 Speaker 1: the shotgun formation had an uptick after I think earlier 154 00:07:44,586 --> 00:07:48,386 Speaker 1: I talked about the seventeen Philadelphia Eagles winning the Super 155 00:07:48,426 --> 00:07:52,866 Speaker 1: Bowl and legitimizing that style of play. Again, listeners, listen up. 156 00:07:53,346 --> 00:07:56,506 Speaker 1: Whoever wins the Super Bowl the year before, everybody in 157 00:07:56,546 --> 00:07:58,706 Speaker 1: the damn National Football League tries to copy what they're 158 00:07:58,706 --> 00:08:01,226 Speaker 1: doing when we want our Super Bowl. With the Seattle Seahawks, 159 00:08:01,226 --> 00:08:04,226 Speaker 1: everybody saw that three deep defense, saw the style at 160 00:08:04,266 --> 00:08:07,026 Speaker 1: which they played, the length of the cornerbacks, and guess well, 161 00:08:07,066 --> 00:08:09,586 Speaker 1: for the next five or six years, every defense in 162 00:08:09,626 --> 00:08:12,506 Speaker 1: the National Football League was looking for Richard Sherman type 163 00:08:12,666 --> 00:08:15,226 Speaker 1: and playing three deep defense, so that that that's just 164 00:08:15,266 --> 00:08:18,666 Speaker 1: the way it goes. You also talked about the shotgun formation. 165 00:08:18,946 --> 00:08:21,226 Speaker 1: I got a little confession to make, Like when I 166 00:08:21,306 --> 00:08:23,706 Speaker 1: chose to go to Penn State and back in two 167 00:08:23,706 --> 00:08:28,706 Speaker 1: thousand and one, they had just introduced the shotgun formation 168 00:08:29,306 --> 00:08:31,946 Speaker 1: for the first time ever in its school history and 169 00:08:31,986 --> 00:08:35,226 Speaker 1: two thousand with with Shard Casey. And when I heard that, 170 00:08:35,346 --> 00:08:38,266 Speaker 1: like I heard that from you know, competing schools, trying 171 00:08:38,306 --> 00:08:40,626 Speaker 1: to tell me, you don't go right, what the hell, man, Joe, 172 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:43,346 Speaker 1: He's a hundred seventy five years old. Man, they won't 173 00:08:43,346 --> 00:08:45,306 Speaker 1: even evolved, man, like them. They ain't even getting the 174 00:08:45,306 --> 00:08:49,066 Speaker 1: shotgun til last year. And when you talk about the shotgun, 175 00:08:49,146 --> 00:08:53,146 Speaker 1: the advantages of it is it gives the quarterback clear 176 00:08:53,226 --> 00:08:56,066 Speaker 1: vision of everything. And again that's the most important position 177 00:08:56,066 --> 00:08:57,866 Speaker 1: on the field when you talk about in terms of 178 00:08:57,906 --> 00:09:00,106 Speaker 1: responsibility and things that they have to do. And they 179 00:09:00,146 --> 00:09:03,106 Speaker 1: touched the ball every single play, and so a quarterback 180 00:09:03,146 --> 00:09:06,106 Speaker 1: being able to clearly see the adjustments of a defense 181 00:09:06,146 --> 00:09:09,146 Speaker 1: because Mike, dude, there's times when you first walk up 182 00:09:09,186 --> 00:09:11,106 Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage you may see two safeties 183 00:09:11,146 --> 00:09:13,506 Speaker 1: back on the hashes. But as you start to get 184 00:09:13,546 --> 00:09:15,666 Speaker 1: into your cage and start to look around, and as 185 00:09:15,706 --> 00:09:18,466 Speaker 1: you do, color number color number, that second color number 186 00:09:18,506 --> 00:09:21,146 Speaker 1: that you say as the snap is about to happen, 187 00:09:21,346 --> 00:09:23,986 Speaker 1: those safeties start the road tape, you start to see 188 00:09:23,986 --> 00:09:27,306 Speaker 1: things changing. It's a totally different picture. It totally cloud 189 00:09:27,346 --> 00:09:31,106 Speaker 1: your red and so having clear vision is very important 190 00:09:31,106 --> 00:09:33,986 Speaker 1: for the quarterback. It also allows more space for when 191 00:09:33,986 --> 00:09:36,626 Speaker 1: the ball is snapped, for the manipulation of the pocket, 192 00:09:36,786 --> 00:09:39,466 Speaker 1: and when the quarterbacks and shotgun. He's a typically file 193 00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:42,026 Speaker 1: the six yards deep. When I take a five step 194 00:09:42,106 --> 00:09:44,786 Speaker 1: drop from the shotgun, I'm dropping back to ten and eleven, 195 00:09:44,906 --> 00:09:47,866 Speaker 1: twelve yards deep. It gives my tackles and my offensive 196 00:09:47,906 --> 00:09:51,146 Speaker 1: lineman more room to push these guys past so I 197 00:09:51,146 --> 00:09:52,906 Speaker 1: can step up in It gives me more room to 198 00:09:52,946 --> 00:09:54,906 Speaker 1: step up in the pocket. So that's some of the 199 00:09:54,946 --> 00:09:57,506 Speaker 1: things that come along with the shotgun position. The negatives 200 00:09:57,506 --> 00:09:59,466 Speaker 1: about it. Again, this is the running back in me 201 00:09:59,506 --> 00:10:02,386 Speaker 1: happening now is the run game. You really don't get 202 00:10:02,986 --> 00:10:07,186 Speaker 1: much influence on the the second level in the run game. 203 00:10:07,226 --> 00:10:09,706 Speaker 1: So a running back which I blocked for two Hall 204 00:10:09,746 --> 00:10:12,226 Speaker 1: of famers in my opinion, and Frank Gore and Marshawn Lynch, 205 00:10:12,666 --> 00:10:14,986 Speaker 1: these are two guys that can be in the shotgun. 206 00:10:15,546 --> 00:10:17,786 Speaker 1: Take the ball. Like let's say if you're a quarterback 207 00:10:17,826 --> 00:10:19,986 Speaker 1: and the running back is to your left side, these 208 00:10:19,986 --> 00:10:22,466 Speaker 1: are guys that are in the shotgun. They can take 209 00:10:22,466 --> 00:10:26,506 Speaker 1: the ball from the quarterback using inside zone footwork, go 210 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:30,986 Speaker 1: across the midline of the offense, and still get back 211 00:10:31,026 --> 00:10:34,026 Speaker 1: to the left side, the same side that they started 212 00:10:34,746 --> 00:10:37,386 Speaker 1: right and only a five yard area right there, which 213 00:10:37,386 --> 00:10:39,586 Speaker 1: is again I know some of our listeners, like Michael you' 214 00:10:39,586 --> 00:10:42,186 Speaker 1: talking about that is very difficult to do. That is 215 00:10:42,186 --> 00:10:43,826 Speaker 1: not a lot of people walk on this planet that 216 00:10:43,866 --> 00:10:46,066 Speaker 1: can do that. But it tries to give the maximum 217 00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:48,826 Speaker 1: amount of influence on the second level so that you 218 00:10:48,946 --> 00:10:52,426 Speaker 1: have space to cut back. I'm gonna always love to 219 00:10:52,426 --> 00:10:54,946 Speaker 1: see a run game with this quarterback on the center 220 00:10:54,986 --> 00:10:57,386 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, gives maximum influence 221 00:10:57,386 --> 00:10:59,906 Speaker 1: on the second level. And then when you're able to 222 00:10:59,946 --> 00:11:03,026 Speaker 1: do play action passing, which in two thousand three, two 223 00:11:03,106 --> 00:11:06,146 Speaker 1: thousand four, two thousand five on Peyton, Manning made that 224 00:11:06,306 --> 00:11:08,866 Speaker 1: long reach out the Edger and James where he's reaching 225 00:11:08,906 --> 00:11:10,386 Speaker 1: out there and then he pulls it back up and 226 00:11:10,426 --> 00:11:13,546 Speaker 1: stands up and Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison running across 227 00:11:13,586 --> 00:11:16,426 Speaker 1: the field. Those guys running wide open that gives the 228 00:11:16,666 --> 00:11:19,706 Speaker 1: maximum displacement of the second level of the defense. That's 229 00:11:19,706 --> 00:11:23,226 Speaker 1: why I think understander will always be the best influence 230 00:11:23,306 --> 00:11:25,666 Speaker 1: on the second level footwork. You just mentioned a five 231 00:11:25,666 --> 00:11:28,986 Speaker 1: step drop back. How I mean obviously in the shotgun 232 00:11:29,026 --> 00:11:31,266 Speaker 1: you're not worried about dropping back. So you speak your 233 00:11:31,266 --> 00:11:34,026 Speaker 1: footwork when you're practicing and your training and you're getting 234 00:11:34,026 --> 00:11:36,306 Speaker 1: ready for games. If you know you're going to spend 235 00:11:36,346 --> 00:11:39,466 Speaker 1: most of your time in shotgun and not under center, like, 236 00:11:39,706 --> 00:11:42,706 Speaker 1: how does that alter your footwork and your preparation. Well, again, 237 00:11:42,746 --> 00:11:45,866 Speaker 1: I know for me, I was a runner, and there's 238 00:11:45,906 --> 00:11:49,986 Speaker 1: a difference between a runner with passing ability, which is myself, 239 00:11:50,266 --> 00:11:54,626 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Sure, I will put Jalen Hurts in this category. Um, 240 00:11:54,626 --> 00:11:58,626 Speaker 1: it's a difference between a scrambler who's really a passer 241 00:11:58,946 --> 00:12:03,466 Speaker 1: that has movement ability, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Steve Young 242 00:12:03,506 --> 00:12:07,146 Speaker 1: when he was playing those guys. So it is a 243 00:12:07,146 --> 00:12:09,666 Speaker 1: little bit different. Well, I will say for runners, and 244 00:12:09,746 --> 00:12:11,786 Speaker 1: you see this a little bit out of Lamar Jackson 245 00:12:12,226 --> 00:12:16,066 Speaker 1: because they're in the shotgun, their body feels like they 246 00:12:16,146 --> 00:12:18,986 Speaker 1: gotta move and do something, so it's weird. It was 247 00:12:19,026 --> 00:12:21,106 Speaker 1: always in the shotgun thrown from me. It was always 248 00:12:21,146 --> 00:12:23,906 Speaker 1: weird when I had to just stand there because the 249 00:12:23,986 --> 00:12:27,066 Speaker 1: body wants to move. Body feels like I gotta drop back, 250 00:12:27,106 --> 00:12:30,146 Speaker 1: I gotta hitch up, I gotta do something. But oftentimes 251 00:12:30,346 --> 00:12:33,426 Speaker 1: you gotta understand that the offensive line is just guarding 252 00:12:33,426 --> 00:12:35,466 Speaker 1: that little spot right there and you gotta stay there. 253 00:12:35,506 --> 00:12:39,066 Speaker 1: So for runners playing the quarterback position, sometimes they have 254 00:12:39,146 --> 00:12:40,786 Speaker 1: to work on their footwork a little bit more. But 255 00:12:40,826 --> 00:12:43,706 Speaker 1: it does change what you're working on. And again, drop 256 00:12:43,706 --> 00:12:46,186 Speaker 1: back drills. You're gonna do drop back drills no matter what. 257 00:12:46,306 --> 00:12:48,626 Speaker 1: It's just the launch point changes up a little bit. 258 00:12:55,626 --> 00:12:58,066 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the NFL Explained podcast. Mike ab and 259 00:12:58,146 --> 00:13:01,306 Speaker 1: Michael Robinson with you. So we're talking about the evolution 260 00:13:01,346 --> 00:13:04,306 Speaker 1: of NFL offenses. It's important to note that that does 261 00:13:04,346 --> 00:13:07,746 Speaker 1: have an effect on deep senses and there's some changes there. 262 00:13:07,786 --> 00:13:09,826 Speaker 1: So the data actually shows that Nicol st When I 263 00:13:09,826 --> 00:13:12,786 Speaker 1: say Nicol, I'm talking about five dbs use sixty one 264 00:13:12,786 --> 00:13:16,386 Speaker 1: percent of the time across the league in the bills 265 00:13:17,906 --> 00:13:22,106 Speaker 1: their fans and I know, you know, yeah, let's roll here. 266 00:13:22,826 --> 00:13:25,786 Speaker 1: Bill is actually percent of the time and Nicol that's 267 00:13:25,786 --> 00:13:28,186 Speaker 1: the most in the league. By over ten percent, and 268 00:13:28,226 --> 00:13:30,506 Speaker 1: we saw them actually sack Matthew Stafford a Week one 269 00:13:30,626 --> 00:13:35,346 Speaker 1: seven times without blitzing once the entire game. Five dbs. 270 00:13:35,426 --> 00:13:38,426 Speaker 1: Basically they're based defense, So Rob, we're clearly seeing a 271 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:41,586 Speaker 1: lot of different players being drafted specifically for their skill 272 00:13:41,626 --> 00:13:44,786 Speaker 1: sets on offense. But how is that affecting what's happening 273 00:13:44,906 --> 00:13:48,386 Speaker 1: draft wise on the defensive side. I mean we just 274 00:13:48,426 --> 00:13:51,266 Speaker 1: talked about I mean we have tight ends like Travis Kelsey, 275 00:13:51,306 --> 00:13:55,066 Speaker 1: We got running backs like Aaron Jones who is probably 276 00:13:55,066 --> 00:13:58,106 Speaker 1: gonna end up leading Green Bay and receptions and things 277 00:13:58,146 --> 00:14:00,106 Speaker 1: like that this year based off what they have on 278 00:14:00,146 --> 00:14:05,026 Speaker 1: the outside. It's just the defender has to change it 279 00:14:05,146 --> 00:14:08,346 Speaker 1: tras that evolve. It's no longer than Levon Kirkland's The 280 00:14:08,386 --> 00:14:11,226 Speaker 1: Big showder paying guys that are just banging and running 281 00:14:11,266 --> 00:14:13,466 Speaker 1: into each other all the time. It's more like the 282 00:14:13,586 --> 00:14:18,026 Speaker 1: Jeremiah wool Sue core More, Isaiah Simmons, the Fred Warners, 283 00:14:18,026 --> 00:14:21,506 Speaker 1: the Shack Leonards, Guys that have the toughness to really 284 00:14:21,786 --> 00:14:23,346 Speaker 1: mix it up and be able to share it against 285 00:14:23,386 --> 00:14:26,466 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, but also have the movement ability that if 286 00:14:26,506 --> 00:14:28,546 Speaker 1: this running back motion is out in the slot and 287 00:14:28,586 --> 00:14:31,226 Speaker 1: we're in man, like you're expected to cover this guy? 288 00:14:31,426 --> 00:14:34,506 Speaker 1: Is that a divisional thing? When we talk about drafts philosophy, 289 00:14:34,626 --> 00:14:37,586 Speaker 1: like if if the team that is the best in 290 00:14:37,666 --> 00:14:42,746 Speaker 1: your division is rolling out with a ton of offensive 291 00:14:42,826 --> 00:14:45,466 Speaker 1: weapons in a West Coast style, like, then do you 292 00:14:45,506 --> 00:14:47,626 Speaker 1: have to think defensively like, Hey, I gotta match up. 293 00:14:47,746 --> 00:14:49,706 Speaker 1: I'm playing those twice a year, like I need to 294 00:14:49,706 --> 00:14:51,906 Speaker 1: figure out how to beat them. I'm building my roster 295 00:14:52,186 --> 00:14:54,626 Speaker 1: according to the best team in my division. Ist or 296 00:14:54,706 --> 00:14:57,826 Speaker 1: first and foremost, every team's goal is to win your division. 297 00:14:57,826 --> 00:15:00,586 Speaker 1: You win your division, you guarantee yourself home playoff games. 298 00:15:00,786 --> 00:15:04,666 Speaker 1: So to answer your question, absolutely, whoever has won the division, 299 00:15:04,706 --> 00:15:07,346 Speaker 1: you're always trying to chase and beat them. Let's take 300 00:15:07,346 --> 00:15:09,466 Speaker 1: the a f C West for instance, Kansa City Chiefs 301 00:15:09,506 --> 00:15:12,706 Speaker 1: have dominated the a f C West. So if you're 302 00:15:12,746 --> 00:15:14,946 Speaker 1: another team in the f C West, I eat Denver, 303 00:15:15,106 --> 00:15:17,946 Speaker 1: I eat the Las Vegas Raiders, the charges, things like that. 304 00:15:18,186 --> 00:15:20,826 Speaker 1: You want to have a lot of defensive backs, That's 305 00:15:20,826 --> 00:15:22,786 Speaker 1: why J. C. Jackson is now in the division. You 306 00:15:22,786 --> 00:15:24,666 Speaker 1: want to have pass rushers, that's why you have Khalil 307 00:15:24,706 --> 00:15:28,066 Speaker 1: Mack in the division and guys like that. So yes, absolutely, Mike. 308 00:15:28,106 --> 00:15:30,626 Speaker 1: To answer you a question, whoever wins the division, you're 309 00:15:30,626 --> 00:15:33,386 Speaker 1: always drafting the chase and beat those guys. So I 310 00:15:33,426 --> 00:15:36,186 Speaker 1: asked you about footwork a little bit earlier in the 311 00:15:36,226 --> 00:15:39,746 Speaker 1: podcast because I'm thinking about certain teams and what I 312 00:15:39,906 --> 00:15:42,346 Speaker 1: see from them and where I was going with it 313 00:15:42,426 --> 00:15:45,186 Speaker 1: is prestap motion. You know, I've spent a lot of 314 00:15:45,186 --> 00:15:47,066 Speaker 1: time watching San Francisco Ford. Now I under seen a 315 00:15:47,066 --> 00:15:50,146 Speaker 1: little bit now with Mike McDaniel down and it winded 316 00:15:50,186 --> 00:15:52,906 Speaker 1: before the place started. Man, just all I was thinking 317 00:15:52,906 --> 00:15:55,106 Speaker 1: about former players thinking about it like that. Damn, that's 318 00:15:55,106 --> 00:15:57,866 Speaker 1: a lot of running, man. I'd be running all over 319 00:15:57,906 --> 00:16:00,706 Speaker 1: the place before I even get off the line. Offense 320 00:16:00,746 --> 00:16:04,146 Speaker 1: are actually using prestap motion almost four times as much 321 00:16:04,186 --> 00:16:07,386 Speaker 1: as they were back in team, so from four point 322 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:11,226 Speaker 1: five percent to sevent over the course of the last 323 00:16:11,346 --> 00:16:16,506 Speaker 1: eight years. Explain besides being winded, what emotion is gonna 324 00:16:16,546 --> 00:16:19,186 Speaker 1: do for offenses and the real advantage that's there. There's 325 00:16:19,186 --> 00:16:21,866 Speaker 1: eleven guys on offensive, eleven guys on defense. That means 326 00:16:21,906 --> 00:16:25,426 Speaker 1: that there's eleven one on one matchups, eleven people that 327 00:16:25,506 --> 00:16:27,266 Speaker 1: have to be on the same page on offense and 328 00:16:27,306 --> 00:16:30,386 Speaker 1: defense at the same time defense, I line up in 329 00:16:30,506 --> 00:16:33,466 Speaker 1: I right or whatever, which is a receiver to the right, 330 00:16:33,506 --> 00:16:35,226 Speaker 1: of receiver to the left of tight into the right 331 00:16:35,386 --> 00:16:38,746 Speaker 1: with the eye formation and backs. Okay, defense is said. 332 00:16:38,786 --> 00:16:41,346 Speaker 1: They know exactly what defense they're playing. They're all good. 333 00:16:42,266 --> 00:16:44,906 Speaker 1: If this running back, not the full back, but the 334 00:16:44,946 --> 00:16:46,946 Speaker 1: running back motion is out of the backfield and goes 335 00:16:46,986 --> 00:16:50,666 Speaker 1: wide outside the receiver to the left, it totally unlocks 336 00:16:50,706 --> 00:16:52,586 Speaker 1: the defense. Now the corner has to step on. Now 337 00:16:52,586 --> 00:16:54,626 Speaker 1: the linebacker has to walk. Now the box is a 338 00:16:54,666 --> 00:16:56,346 Speaker 1: little bit like. Now there's a safety that has to 339 00:16:56,426 --> 00:16:58,866 Speaker 1: drop down in the box. There's a lot of communication 340 00:16:58,946 --> 00:17:01,426 Speaker 1: that has to happen, and there's six gaps across the 341 00:17:01,466 --> 00:17:04,706 Speaker 1: offensive line, and every gap has to be accounted for. 342 00:17:05,026 --> 00:17:08,306 Speaker 1: If there isn't a gap accounted for, then usually that's six. 343 00:17:08,386 --> 00:17:10,626 Speaker 1: That's how this game works. That's how great these players are. 344 00:17:10,826 --> 00:17:13,386 Speaker 1: That's the chess match between the offensive coordinator and the 345 00:17:13,426 --> 00:17:15,666 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Right. So at the end of the day, 346 00:17:15,706 --> 00:17:19,466 Speaker 1: it's all about putting maximum pressure on the defense. And 347 00:17:19,546 --> 00:17:23,666 Speaker 1: so again, one motion, one shift. Um. Sean McVeigh is 348 00:17:23,866 --> 00:17:27,226 Speaker 1: excellent at doing this building for building a formation. He 349 00:17:27,306 --> 00:17:30,226 Speaker 1: may have three receivers on one side, he may motion 350 00:17:30,266 --> 00:17:32,946 Speaker 1: one guy to the right, shift another guy to the right. 351 00:17:32,946 --> 00:17:34,986 Speaker 1: Then before you know it, before the ball snap, he 352 00:17:35,066 --> 00:17:37,626 Speaker 1: has four more people on the other side of the football, 353 00:17:37,826 --> 00:17:41,306 Speaker 1: forcing the defense to communicate. And again, with eleven guys 354 00:17:41,346 --> 00:17:44,626 Speaker 1: having to communicate, chances are one guy will be off. 355 00:17:44,626 --> 00:17:46,586 Speaker 1: And if one guy is off, that's all this take 356 00:17:46,706 --> 00:17:48,626 Speaker 1: the needed to take get a touchdown. What's it like 357 00:17:48,706 --> 00:17:51,466 Speaker 1: to be a quarterback where you see things unfolding with 358 00:17:51,626 --> 00:17:55,466 Speaker 1: guys moving before the snap and you know you got him. 359 00:17:56,226 --> 00:17:58,066 Speaker 1: It's about holding your water man because you just want 360 00:17:58,066 --> 00:18:02,946 Speaker 1: to snap then faster. Everybody, just just be cool, Just 361 00:18:03,226 --> 00:18:05,426 Speaker 1: let the snap be good, let the combinations get the 362 00:18:05,426 --> 00:18:07,306 Speaker 1: way they want to go to. But that's what it is. 363 00:18:07,306 --> 00:18:09,306 Speaker 1: You always hear people talk about this game being a 364 00:18:09,346 --> 00:18:12,586 Speaker 1: game of inches. Oftentimes when you see a play fail 365 00:18:12,826 --> 00:18:16,346 Speaker 1: is because ten of the matchups were won by the offense, 366 00:18:16,626 --> 00:18:20,146 Speaker 1: but on defense, this one person won their matchup and 367 00:18:20,306 --> 00:18:23,106 Speaker 1: totally crashed to play a game of inches. That's how 368 00:18:23,146 --> 00:18:25,426 Speaker 1: close things are, all right. So we're taking everyone through 369 00:18:25,706 --> 00:18:28,906 Speaker 1: the evolution of NFL offenses, and we've been talking about 370 00:18:28,946 --> 00:18:30,786 Speaker 1: some of the philosophies that have been in place when 371 00:18:30,786 --> 00:18:33,226 Speaker 1: when we come back here on the NFL Explained Podcast, 372 00:18:33,386 --> 00:18:35,626 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a little bit of a hiccup 373 00:18:35,746 --> 00:18:39,026 Speaker 1: in the middle of this timeline that actually involved one 374 00:18:39,026 --> 00:18:42,666 Speaker 1: of the most memorable game plans in NFL history. Trust me, 375 00:18:42,706 --> 00:18:51,586 Speaker 1: I don't want to miss that. Welcome back to the 376 00:18:51,666 --> 00:18:54,386 Speaker 1: NFL Explained Podcast. I know I usually ask at the 377 00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:56,426 Speaker 1: end of the episodes. I just want to throw this 378 00:18:56,666 --> 00:18:59,026 Speaker 1: your way. Um, you get hit up on social media 379 00:18:59,026 --> 00:19:00,306 Speaker 1: a lot. I know you're a little bit of a 380 00:19:00,386 --> 00:19:03,066 Speaker 1: media maven, so to speak. I've been getting some questions 381 00:19:03,106 --> 00:19:06,146 Speaker 1: from some of our listeners for our pod cast, so 382 00:19:06,226 --> 00:19:08,706 Speaker 1: I do want to encourage people to keep firing them 383 00:19:08,746 --> 00:19:11,106 Speaker 1: off a little inside baseball here, I said, I got 384 00:19:11,106 --> 00:19:13,626 Speaker 1: a d M and we're gonna use this in our 385 00:19:13,706 --> 00:19:16,226 Speaker 1: mail bag episode. And I'm not gonna lie. I think, 386 00:19:16,426 --> 00:19:18,026 Speaker 1: m Rob, I think you're a little jealous that someone 387 00:19:18,066 --> 00:19:22,266 Speaker 1: slinder on my du man. I'm just like, if I 388 00:19:22,346 --> 00:19:24,426 Speaker 1: do it a bunch of haters, Why are you saying 389 00:19:24,426 --> 00:19:26,866 Speaker 1: that about the Patriots and whatever? Oh, I don't get 390 00:19:26,946 --> 00:19:29,306 Speaker 1: just great questions, No I don't. Yeah, So look, if 391 00:19:29,306 --> 00:19:31,306 Speaker 1: you want to spread the wealth, you can feel free 392 00:19:31,426 --> 00:19:34,146 Speaker 1: to hit up the real m Rob with the d 393 00:19:34,306 --> 00:19:37,266 Speaker 1: M and a question or Mike underscore yam and happy 394 00:19:37,386 --> 00:19:40,266 Speaker 1: to include those in a future episode. Love getting a 395 00:19:40,306 --> 00:19:42,306 Speaker 1: lot of these questions. But right now we're talking about 396 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:45,146 Speaker 1: the evolution of NFL offenses, and I want to hop 397 00:19:45,186 --> 00:19:47,106 Speaker 1: into the time machine and take you back to two 398 00:19:47,146 --> 00:19:50,666 Speaker 1: thousand eight. The Miami Dolphins. They weren't doing a whole 399 00:19:50,666 --> 00:19:52,986 Speaker 1: lot of partying around that time. In fact, they were 400 00:19:52,986 --> 00:19:56,066 Speaker 1: coming off a one in fifteen season. In two thousand seven, 401 00:19:56,066 --> 00:19:57,946 Speaker 1: they go to New England to take on the Patriots. 402 00:19:57,986 --> 00:20:00,426 Speaker 1: In Week three. Tom Brady had torn his a c 403 00:20:00,586 --> 00:20:02,386 Speaker 1: L in Game one, so he's not playing right. So 404 00:20:02,466 --> 00:20:04,146 Speaker 1: let's pump the brakes here because you're like, oh, the 405 00:20:04,186 --> 00:20:06,586 Speaker 1: Patriots loss of Brady. No, I'm playing all right. So 406 00:20:06,586 --> 00:20:09,906 Speaker 1: the Patriots they still finished two thousand and eight eleven 407 00:20:09,946 --> 00:20:13,466 Speaker 1: and five, and they had won twenty one straight regular 408 00:20:13,506 --> 00:20:18,626 Speaker 1: season games when the Dolphins heads to leet. Now, Finn 409 00:20:18,746 --> 00:20:20,506 Speaker 1: had to do some little drastic here, right, because you 410 00:20:20,546 --> 00:20:22,866 Speaker 1: know it's the mighty Patriots. These dudes been balling out 411 00:20:22,906 --> 00:20:24,826 Speaker 1: and they've owned us. That's what I would be saying 412 00:20:24,866 --> 00:20:27,266 Speaker 1: if I was a member of that team. Towards the 413 00:20:27,306 --> 00:20:29,266 Speaker 1: end of the first quarter, Miami lined up with their 414 00:20:29,306 --> 00:20:32,146 Speaker 1: running back Ronnie Brown, who was probably winning me a 415 00:20:32,146 --> 00:20:34,266 Speaker 1: fantasy championship. I remember I had him on a couple 416 00:20:34,346 --> 00:20:36,986 Speaker 1: of my squads. They lined them up and shotguns from 417 00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:40,106 Speaker 1: the Patriots two yard line, whereas we know it, Yeah, 418 00:20:40,226 --> 00:20:43,106 Speaker 1: the wildcat. He scored on a run up the middle, 419 00:20:43,106 --> 00:20:45,546 Speaker 1: proceeded to shred the Patriots for a hundred and thirteen 420 00:20:45,586 --> 00:20:48,306 Speaker 1: yards and four touchdowns. The Dolphins go from one in 421 00:20:48,386 --> 00:20:51,306 Speaker 1: fifteen in two thousand and seven to eleven and five 422 00:20:51,386 --> 00:20:53,626 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. They make the playoffs, and 423 00:20:53,626 --> 00:20:55,986 Speaker 1: we're talking about one of the biggest turnarounds in league history. 424 00:20:56,346 --> 00:21:00,186 Speaker 1: They ran almost two hundred and fifty plays out of 425 00:21:00,186 --> 00:21:02,666 Speaker 1: the wildcat that year. And the wildcat, by the way, 426 00:21:02,706 --> 00:21:05,706 Speaker 1: it peaked in popularity two thousand nine, it's still used. 427 00:21:05,866 --> 00:21:08,266 Speaker 1: How many times do you watch a game outlaw cat formation? 428 00:21:08,346 --> 00:21:13,506 Speaker 1: It happens all the time. Between NFL teams averaged just 429 00:21:13,746 --> 00:21:17,266 Speaker 1: under one wildcat play a game. So maybe I need 430 00:21:17,306 --> 00:21:19,626 Speaker 1: to pump the brakes. It happens. It just maybe not 431 00:21:19,626 --> 00:21:21,826 Speaker 1: happening as much as I think. But they're gaining an 432 00:21:21,826 --> 00:21:24,986 Speaker 1: average of four point seven yards per play. You tell 433 00:21:25,026 --> 00:21:27,266 Speaker 1: me the inspiration here, like, how does this thing even 434 00:21:27,346 --> 00:21:30,306 Speaker 1: come about? Well, first of all, just to use the 435 00:21:30,386 --> 00:21:34,506 Speaker 1: Miami New England's whole situation, that was interesting because you 436 00:21:34,586 --> 00:21:38,066 Speaker 1: gotta understand who Bill Belichick is. Okay, Bill Belichick is 437 00:21:38,066 --> 00:21:41,306 Speaker 1: a guy. He has to be prepared for every situation. 438 00:21:41,946 --> 00:21:45,986 Speaker 1: And the nature of defenses is to outnumber the offense. 439 00:21:45,986 --> 00:21:50,306 Speaker 1: They have an extra defender why because again, most defenses 440 00:21:50,386 --> 00:21:54,066 Speaker 1: don't account for the quarterback. They look at the quarterback. 441 00:21:54,546 --> 00:21:58,426 Speaker 1: He's just the video game player, right, He's really not real. 442 00:21:58,546 --> 00:21:59,986 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, So we don't really 443 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:02,026 Speaker 1: have to defend him. That's why we can keep this 444 00:22:02,146 --> 00:22:06,626 Speaker 1: middle of the field safety back and we can outnumber everybody. Well, 445 00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:09,946 Speaker 1: when Miami was playing New England, they realized they had 446 00:22:09,986 --> 00:22:13,026 Speaker 1: to do some things to be you know, unpredictable. For 447 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:15,186 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, well, when you line up in a wildcat, 448 00:22:15,306 --> 00:22:17,786 Speaker 1: now the quarterback is a real threat to run the 449 00:22:17,826 --> 00:22:20,546 Speaker 1: football because the quarterback now is a real runner, a 450 00:22:20,586 --> 00:22:23,106 Speaker 1: running back, a guy that has contact balance, a guy 451 00:22:23,146 --> 00:22:26,746 Speaker 1: who can read blocks and things like that. And so 452 00:22:27,586 --> 00:22:30,346 Speaker 1: Bill had to make a decision. A defense is that 453 00:22:30,426 --> 00:22:32,586 Speaker 1: year those couple of years and still have to make 454 00:22:32,586 --> 00:22:36,666 Speaker 1: a decision. Do we just willingly know we're outnumbered and 455 00:22:36,786 --> 00:22:39,506 Speaker 1: keep our safety in the middle field, or do we 456 00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:42,346 Speaker 1: And in the modern daytimes, coaches don't really want to 457 00:22:42,346 --> 00:22:45,186 Speaker 1: do this, especially on defense. Pull that middle of fields 458 00:22:45,226 --> 00:22:47,466 Speaker 1: safety from in the middle of field because he's the 459 00:22:47,546 --> 00:22:50,306 Speaker 1: last line of defense. Put him about seven or eight 460 00:22:50,346 --> 00:22:52,626 Speaker 1: yards at the line of scrimmage. Do we want to 461 00:22:52,666 --> 00:22:55,426 Speaker 1: put him that close? Because again, if the runner breaks through, 462 00:22:55,666 --> 00:22:59,186 Speaker 1: there's nobody back there. That's the kind of chess game 463 00:22:59,426 --> 00:23:01,666 Speaker 1: that is going on. When your quarterback, whether it's the 464 00:23:01,746 --> 00:23:03,626 Speaker 1: runner and and you call it the wildcat or the 465 00:23:03,706 --> 00:23:06,946 Speaker 1: quarterback who has running ability lock of themar jackson, when 466 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:10,146 Speaker 1: your quarterback is a real runner, it is the epitome. 467 00:23:10,226 --> 00:23:12,026 Speaker 1: And again with Cam Newton was doing it, it is 468 00:23:12,026 --> 00:23:15,586 Speaker 1: the epitome of true eleven on eleven football. And it's 469 00:23:15,626 --> 00:23:17,786 Speaker 1: gonna always have an advantage for the offense. Why do 470 00:23:17,826 --> 00:23:20,106 Speaker 1: you think it's decreased the way that it has. Well, 471 00:23:20,186 --> 00:23:22,746 Speaker 1: I think it's decreased because of the quarterbacks have gotten 472 00:23:22,746 --> 00:23:25,746 Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, And they can run 473 00:23:25,786 --> 00:23:29,786 Speaker 1: it now. They're getting yards running the football, and defenses 474 00:23:30,146 --> 00:23:34,506 Speaker 1: have gotten smarter. Meaning when it usually when teams do Wildcat. 475 00:23:34,626 --> 00:23:38,066 Speaker 1: Their regular quarterback is split out wide somewhere really not 476 00:23:38,146 --> 00:23:40,586 Speaker 1: doing much. World teams aren't covering that guy. Now, now 477 00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:43,586 Speaker 1: they're gaining an extra defender and being able to stop 478 00:23:43,586 --> 00:23:45,986 Speaker 1: wildcat plays. All right, So let's bring it full circle here, 479 00:23:45,986 --> 00:23:48,946 Speaker 1: because you actually gave some love to Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, 480 00:23:49,026 --> 00:23:52,946 Speaker 1: Kyle Murray. We're talking about more athletic guys who are 481 00:23:53,066 --> 00:23:56,266 Speaker 1: playing the quarterback position also your primary ball handler. So 482 00:23:56,386 --> 00:23:58,626 Speaker 1: teams must have thoughts in themselves it if I can 483 00:23:58,626 --> 00:24:00,906 Speaker 1: create some mismatches with the wildcat. Let me just get 484 00:24:00,946 --> 00:24:02,426 Speaker 1: some of these dudes right. And the problem is they 485 00:24:02,426 --> 00:24:05,586 Speaker 1: don't necessarily grow on treat. No, they don't. There's only 486 00:24:05,626 --> 00:24:07,546 Speaker 1: a couple of those guys, which is why most of 487 00:24:07,626 --> 00:24:14,106 Speaker 1: them are making like two hundred plus million dollars pay Lamar. Statistically, 488 00:24:14,146 --> 00:24:17,346 Speaker 1: what we've seen has been a dramatic increase in quarterbacks 489 00:24:17,626 --> 00:24:21,146 Speaker 1: running the ball if you include design runs and scrambling. 490 00:24:21,386 --> 00:24:25,466 Speaker 1: Two thousand nine peak wold Cat quarterback rushed for a 491 00:24:25,466 --> 00:24:28,306 Speaker 1: total of four thousand, five hundred and seventy two yards. 492 00:24:28,346 --> 00:24:32,226 Speaker 1: Fast forward to one, quarterbacks are accounting for over ten 493 00:24:32,386 --> 00:24:35,746 Speaker 1: thousand rushing yards in a season, so when I say 494 00:24:35,866 --> 00:24:38,306 Speaker 1: I called you a trailblazer at the start of the show, 495 00:24:38,386 --> 00:24:40,586 Speaker 1: like that is accurate. Do you know what your numbers 496 00:24:40,586 --> 00:24:43,026 Speaker 1: were when you were at Penn State? No, I don't. Okay, 497 00:24:43,066 --> 00:24:45,386 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you you rushed for over eight hundred 498 00:24:45,466 --> 00:24:49,066 Speaker 1: yards and passed for over twenty three hundred yards in 499 00:24:49,106 --> 00:24:52,186 Speaker 1: the same season. But it's all good. The legend in 500 00:24:52,186 --> 00:24:56,386 Speaker 1: your mind, the years go on. It just um with you. 501 00:24:56,426 --> 00:24:59,706 Speaker 1: I played quarterback too, apparently, I'm like twenty years removed 502 00:24:59,706 --> 00:25:01,666 Speaker 1: from college. I was a baller back in the day. 503 00:25:02,146 --> 00:25:04,906 Speaker 1: Um you look. I do think that there's at least 504 00:25:04,906 --> 00:25:07,186 Speaker 1: some concern because we are seeing some of these guys, 505 00:25:07,266 --> 00:25:09,066 Speaker 1: the Lamars and the Colin Murrays in the world, Like, 506 00:25:09,106 --> 00:25:12,066 Speaker 1: these dudes have this ability that is so unique and 507 00:25:12,146 --> 00:25:15,306 Speaker 1: so special, and I know it's not exactly skill set 508 00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:17,146 Speaker 1: that grows on trees like I made reference to. Are 509 00:25:17,186 --> 00:25:21,226 Speaker 1: you concerned though, about your traditional drop back passer being 510 00:25:21,226 --> 00:25:23,306 Speaker 1: a thing of the past. No, that's gonna always be 511 00:25:23,346 --> 00:25:25,386 Speaker 1: a place for a traditional drop back past. I just 512 00:25:25,426 --> 00:25:28,386 Speaker 1: think we're gonna be redefining what a traditional drop back 513 00:25:28,426 --> 00:25:32,066 Speaker 1: passer is. To me, the robots in the pocket, like 514 00:25:32,146 --> 00:25:34,626 Speaker 1: the Tom Brady. And again I can't really say Tom 515 00:25:34,626 --> 00:25:37,186 Speaker 1: Brady as ro because he's not right. If Tom just 516 00:25:37,226 --> 00:25:39,506 Speaker 1: had to run a forty, he'd outslow you, he'd be 517 00:25:39,546 --> 00:25:42,586 Speaker 1: slow in that regard. But he's athletic in the pocket. 518 00:25:43,026 --> 00:25:45,386 Speaker 1: He has mobility in the pocket, you know what I'm saying, 519 00:25:45,386 --> 00:25:48,106 Speaker 1: and he very rarely takes hits in the pocket. And 520 00:25:48,146 --> 00:25:51,266 Speaker 1: so I think by redefining what a pocket quarterback is, 521 00:25:51,306 --> 00:25:53,866 Speaker 1: I think we have to say a pocket quarterback now 522 00:25:54,426 --> 00:25:56,826 Speaker 1: has to have a little bit of athletic ability in 523 00:25:56,866 --> 00:25:59,706 Speaker 1: there and not And again I'm not saying running quarterback 524 00:25:59,746 --> 00:26:03,266 Speaker 1: power or quarterback sweep or going seventy nine yards like 525 00:26:03,346 --> 00:26:06,306 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson or anything like that, but I do think 526 00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:09,186 Speaker 1: that you have to be able to if you run 527 00:26:09,186 --> 00:26:11,466 Speaker 1: a naked boot leg and it's fourth and four, you 528 00:26:11,546 --> 00:26:13,666 Speaker 1: gotta be able to run for the first down if 529 00:26:13,706 --> 00:26:15,866 Speaker 1: you wide open. Okay, So I know we're talking about 530 00:26:15,866 --> 00:26:19,466 Speaker 1: some scrambling quarterbacks here, and generally speaking, like you do 531 00:26:19,626 --> 00:26:23,146 Speaker 1: need some mobility to play at the NFL level, especially 532 00:26:23,146 --> 00:26:25,786 Speaker 1: if your mobile quarterback around that goal line. At the 533 00:26:25,826 --> 00:26:28,066 Speaker 1: same time, we've actually seen a trend that seems to 534 00:26:28,106 --> 00:26:30,946 Speaker 1: go along with how much shotgun is run and how 535 00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:34,186 Speaker 1: pass happy a lot of teams are. The rate of 536 00:26:34,346 --> 00:26:39,466 Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns to passing TVs has increasingly moved in favor 537 00:26:39,506 --> 00:26:41,786 Speaker 1: of the ladder, nearly a one to one ratio in 538 00:26:41,866 --> 00:26:46,346 Speaker 1: ninety five to now passing touchdowns being almost two and 539 00:26:46,386 --> 00:26:50,386 Speaker 1: a half times more common than rushing touchdowns. Before the 540 00:26:50,426 --> 00:26:52,546 Speaker 1: season started, we spent an entire week doing like calling 541 00:26:52,546 --> 00:26:54,346 Speaker 1: it like fantasy week. This is why when we're talking 542 00:26:54,346 --> 00:26:56,306 Speaker 1: about running backs like people like you might want to 543 00:26:56,306 --> 00:26:58,066 Speaker 1: wait on a couple of those things. All right, the 544 00:26:58,106 --> 00:27:01,186 Speaker 1: amount of passing and rushing yards in the game, that 545 00:27:01,306 --> 00:27:04,226 Speaker 1: actually hasn't changed all that much. So how do you 546 00:27:04,306 --> 00:27:09,066 Speaker 1: explain if the yardage is relatively flat, why there's such 547 00:27:09,106 --> 00:27:12,306 Speaker 1: a disparity when it comes to actually how teams are scoring. Well, 548 00:27:12,306 --> 00:27:14,146 Speaker 1: I just again it goes back to I mean, we 549 00:27:14,226 --> 00:27:18,026 Speaker 1: live in Western society, right, Our society it's about you 550 00:27:18,066 --> 00:27:20,586 Speaker 1: know what I mean, basically being on attack mode. Right, 551 00:27:20,626 --> 00:27:24,186 Speaker 1: But that's that's what it's all about. And offenses are 552 00:27:24,186 --> 00:27:27,346 Speaker 1: no different. Defenses are no different. Football is no different. 553 00:27:27,746 --> 00:27:30,266 Speaker 1: And when you get down inside the red zone, I 554 00:27:30,346 --> 00:27:33,786 Speaker 1: just think that teams are finding matchups. So let's think 555 00:27:33,826 --> 00:27:37,306 Speaker 1: about this when a team gets down into the goal line, 556 00:27:37,346 --> 00:27:39,546 Speaker 1: let's call it the green zone inside the five. Right, 557 00:27:39,586 --> 00:27:42,346 Speaker 1: you bring in big people. Right, If an offense has 558 00:27:42,466 --> 00:27:45,266 Speaker 1: big people that can catch the football, you have an 559 00:27:45,266 --> 00:27:47,386 Speaker 1: advantage because now the defense is going to bring in 560 00:27:47,746 --> 00:27:50,466 Speaker 1: people and now you have that advantage. And I think 561 00:27:50,906 --> 00:27:54,706 Speaker 1: just from a younger offensive coordinators, guys getting jobs, getting 562 00:27:54,746 --> 00:27:58,186 Speaker 1: opportunities to call plays, guys are just more aggressive. I 563 00:27:58,186 --> 00:28:01,386 Speaker 1: mean not only just from calling plays, from even the 564 00:28:01,426 --> 00:28:04,226 Speaker 1: players that they're picking. Guys are more aggressive. And that 565 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:07,106 Speaker 1: trend is just going all across the National Football League. 566 00:28:07,146 --> 00:28:09,346 Speaker 1: And to me, I like it. You know, even as 567 00:28:09,346 --> 00:28:11,346 Speaker 1: a former runner, I do like it. But at the 568 00:28:11,426 --> 00:28:13,706 Speaker 1: end of the day, winners of our Super Bowl, and 569 00:28:13,706 --> 00:28:15,626 Speaker 1: I know we can talk about the Rams last year, 570 00:28:15,946 --> 00:28:18,266 Speaker 1: they had the ability to run the football. To me, 571 00:28:18,346 --> 00:28:21,426 Speaker 1: the winners of our Super Bowl still always have the 572 00:28:21,466 --> 00:28:23,946 Speaker 1: ability to run the football. Man, So running the football 573 00:28:23,986 --> 00:28:26,946 Speaker 1: and goal line situations, you say, give me the rock 574 00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:30,506 Speaker 1: and formations actually matter and not to you know, pick 575 00:28:30,746 --> 00:28:32,706 Speaker 1: at a couple of different teams. But I couldn't help 576 00:28:32,706 --> 00:28:34,666 Speaker 1: but notice, as I've been watching games over the last 577 00:28:34,706 --> 00:28:37,946 Speaker 1: few weeks, my social media feed by Twitter timeline as 578 00:28:37,986 --> 00:28:41,146 Speaker 1: I'm listening to Scott Hanson on ren Zone, people calling 579 00:28:41,146 --> 00:28:45,466 Speaker 1: out shotgun formations basically in goal line situations and people 580 00:28:45,546 --> 00:28:51,946 Speaker 1: hating that. Do you hate that what shotgunna go down situations? Yes? 581 00:28:52,266 --> 00:28:54,986 Speaker 1: Yeah I do. I do. I mean the advantage of 582 00:28:54,986 --> 00:28:57,226 Speaker 1: it is maybe you know the ball care you can 583 00:28:57,226 --> 00:28:59,746 Speaker 1: get the ball faster, and that way he can kind 584 00:28:59,746 --> 00:29:01,746 Speaker 1: of see whether he needs to take off and jump 585 00:29:02,066 --> 00:29:03,986 Speaker 1: where he needs to cut or whatever. I can understand 586 00:29:04,146 --> 00:29:06,426 Speaker 1: that message. But at the end of the day, I'm 587 00:29:06,426 --> 00:29:09,266 Speaker 1: all about the ball, and to me, when the quarterbacks 588 00:29:09,346 --> 00:29:12,346 Speaker 1: hands are underneath the center, that's the more sure ball 589 00:29:12,426 --> 00:29:15,746 Speaker 1: exchange than the ball leaving somebody's hands being in the 590 00:29:15,786 --> 00:29:17,986 Speaker 1: air for a little bit and then somebody having to 591 00:29:18,026 --> 00:29:20,546 Speaker 1: catch it with ball handling and all of those types 592 00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:23,266 Speaker 1: of things. But if you're running the football on the 593 00:29:23,266 --> 00:29:25,226 Speaker 1: goal line, if your quarterback is under center, to me, 594 00:29:25,266 --> 00:29:27,226 Speaker 1: if you want to throw it, it's the play action 595 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:30,506 Speaker 1: that to me gives you the biggest advantage. But you know, 596 00:29:30,546 --> 00:29:32,506 Speaker 1: I wasn't a part of this Super Bowl, but the 597 00:29:32,546 --> 00:29:34,266 Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty nine, I know I always get a 598 00:29:34,306 --> 00:29:36,786 Speaker 1: lot of questions about whether Pete Carroll should have thrown 599 00:29:36,866 --> 00:29:39,386 Speaker 1: the ball and things like that. If you listen to 600 00:29:39,426 --> 00:29:41,826 Speaker 1: the reasoning as to why he threw it, he saw 601 00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:45,146 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick put his big people out there, and that 602 00:29:45,186 --> 00:29:47,266 Speaker 1: was that led to the reason of them A part 603 00:29:47,266 --> 00:29:49,546 Speaker 1: of the reason of them throwing the football. He saw 604 00:29:49,626 --> 00:29:52,386 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator basically put his chest pieces out on 605 00:29:52,426 --> 00:29:55,386 Speaker 1: the board. First, Okay, it's big people. They're gonna be 606 00:29:55,466 --> 00:29:59,706 Speaker 1: a man. Hey, what's our best man beat play? And 607 00:29:59,986 --> 00:30:01,946 Speaker 1: kids just made a better play. There's a lot of 608 00:30:01,946 --> 00:30:05,626 Speaker 1: different ways, like a comment on that. I understand the 609 00:30:05,786 --> 00:30:09,266 Speaker 1: reasoning be it, but well, you know, some people think 610 00:30:09,386 --> 00:30:11,986 Speaker 1: somebody was coaching it to give Russell the the m 611 00:30:12,066 --> 00:30:14,186 Speaker 1: v P and not beast mode. You know, I hear 612 00:30:14,226 --> 00:30:18,986 Speaker 1: all of these things, the conspiracy theories. There are those moments, 613 00:30:18,986 --> 00:30:21,946 Speaker 1: those critical down and distances, and certainly third down, fourth 614 00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:24,586 Speaker 1: down inside the three yard line. Uh, we've got some 615 00:30:24,706 --> 00:30:27,706 Speaker 1: data for it. There's actually a slightly better statistical outcome 616 00:30:27,746 --> 00:30:30,306 Speaker 1: on run plays from under center, which is why I 617 00:30:30,346 --> 00:30:32,426 Speaker 1: asked you about shotgun and it seems like you like 618 00:30:32,946 --> 00:30:35,946 Speaker 1: the outcome when a quarterback is under center. So since 619 00:30:35,986 --> 00:30:37,826 Speaker 1: we're talking about the goal line, one thing I wanted 620 00:30:37,826 --> 00:30:40,026 Speaker 1: to bring up as a form of fullback. We're seeing 621 00:30:40,066 --> 00:30:44,226 Speaker 1: some usage sickle, come on, don't do me like, okay, 622 00:30:45,266 --> 00:30:49,106 Speaker 1: just gone down of the traditional running too. A guy 623 00:30:49,546 --> 00:30:53,186 Speaker 1: just the you know not dude, you know what I'm saying. 624 00:30:53,946 --> 00:30:56,066 Speaker 1: But you know you got eight backs. You got second 625 00:30:56,106 --> 00:30:58,226 Speaker 1: tight ends that line up in the lead block of 626 00:30:58,306 --> 00:31:02,026 Speaker 1: position that aren't traditional fullback. So look a lead blockers 627 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:04,066 Speaker 1: still gonna be there. Yeah, that's all I'm trying to say. 628 00:31:04,226 --> 00:31:06,986 Speaker 1: All right, I just just for urification purposes, do you 629 00:31:07,026 --> 00:31:08,906 Speaker 1: want to go your muff says I give the fullback, 630 00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:15,146 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna listening to the snaps taken including a 631 00:31:15,226 --> 00:31:20,466 Speaker 1: fullback like that makes sense that number. Yeah, it is 632 00:31:20,506 --> 00:31:22,946 Speaker 1: a little bit of a buzz kill. It's dying breed 633 00:31:23,226 --> 00:31:27,026 Speaker 1: in some respects. But maybe there's optimism here because the 634 00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:30,066 Speaker 1: game is going to continue to evolve. Maybe the fullback 635 00:31:30,106 --> 00:31:32,466 Speaker 1: comes back and it becomes full But is there something 636 00:31:32,506 --> 00:31:34,866 Speaker 1: that you'd like to see or you think a trend 637 00:31:35,346 --> 00:31:38,746 Speaker 1: that becomes the next I don't know. We'll do an 638 00:31:38,826 --> 00:31:41,426 Speaker 1: NFL Explained podcast in twenty years, me and you and 639 00:31:41,426 --> 00:31:44,306 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about this. Well, honestly, I think 640 00:31:44,346 --> 00:31:47,506 Speaker 1: the game is going to position this football. The game 641 00:31:47,626 --> 00:31:51,226 Speaker 1: is going to eleven dudes up against eleven dudes h 642 00:31:52,186 --> 00:31:56,066 Speaker 1: pretty much closely built the same, very fast, very athletic, 643 00:31:56,146 --> 00:31:59,586 Speaker 1: everybody can do everything. You gotta understand the entire National 644 00:31:59,586 --> 00:32:02,066 Speaker 1: Football League is trying to keep our guys healthier. And 645 00:32:02,186 --> 00:32:04,546 Speaker 1: to me, I think that's why you're seeing, uh, the 646 00:32:04,586 --> 00:32:08,266 Speaker 1: fullback be a dying. You're seeing the big thicker just 647 00:32:08,426 --> 00:32:10,946 Speaker 1: Hey Busser type of a linebacker back in the day, 648 00:32:10,986 --> 00:32:13,826 Speaker 1: the old cultural football. You're seeing that go away just 649 00:32:14,066 --> 00:32:17,306 Speaker 1: because it's a contact sport. But the focus on player 650 00:32:17,466 --> 00:32:20,706 Speaker 1: health has just changed the dynamics of the game. And 651 00:32:20,746 --> 00:32:23,426 Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't think lee blockers will go anywhere, 652 00:32:23,786 --> 00:32:27,426 Speaker 1: but I do think, yeah, the thumpers will be totally gone. Honestly, 653 00:32:27,626 --> 00:32:30,026 Speaker 1: you were in Birmingham, and I know that the NFL 654 00:32:30,146 --> 00:32:31,946 Speaker 1: is trying to get and I think we all hope 655 00:32:31,986 --> 00:32:34,546 Speaker 1: we see it flag football as an Olympics. I'm speaking 656 00:32:34,546 --> 00:32:36,506 Speaker 1: in until existing it's gonna be an Olympic sport. You 657 00:32:36,546 --> 00:32:38,786 Speaker 1: know what I found fascinating was I remember doing the 658 00:32:38,866 --> 00:32:41,226 Speaker 1: hit with you on on Total Access and then you 659 00:32:41,266 --> 00:32:43,906 Speaker 1: came into studio and you had said, like, there's some 660 00:32:44,026 --> 00:32:47,106 Speaker 1: really talented players. Now they might not be NFL players, 661 00:32:47,386 --> 00:32:49,106 Speaker 1: But there might be some NFL players that can't do 662 00:32:49,186 --> 00:32:53,186 Speaker 1: flag football, like as you said, positional lists football, Like 663 00:32:53,266 --> 00:32:55,586 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about sheer athletes that are just out 664 00:32:55,586 --> 00:32:58,986 Speaker 1: there absolutely and let's be honest. I mean football, It's 665 00:32:59,026 --> 00:33:02,946 Speaker 1: an athletic game, right, Flag football a game. How do 666 00:33:03,026 --> 00:33:05,706 Speaker 1: you train for football? You trained for football, ball, playing foot. 667 00:33:05,986 --> 00:33:08,906 Speaker 1: I can see guys in the National Football League using 668 00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,066 Speaker 1: flag football to train in the off season and still 669 00:33:11,066 --> 00:33:13,306 Speaker 1: get their movement in as well while playing the game 670 00:33:13,306 --> 00:33:15,906 Speaker 1: of football. All right. As my dual threat quarterback that 671 00:33:16,066 --> 00:33:19,626 Speaker 1: is you, who is your favorite dual threat quarterback, favorite 672 00:33:19,666 --> 00:33:23,506 Speaker 1: dual threat quarterback like of all time? Ye, Sarah Gott 673 00:33:23,666 --> 00:33:25,826 Speaker 1: Because I actually have a guy that I'm thinking of 674 00:33:26,426 --> 00:33:29,386 Speaker 1: that I'm only bringing it up so I can mention 675 00:33:29,506 --> 00:33:33,346 Speaker 1: his name in this podcast, because I actually think Michael 676 00:33:33,466 --> 00:33:36,106 Speaker 1: Vick is in a lot of ways. When we talked 677 00:33:36,106 --> 00:33:38,746 Speaker 1: about the evolution of NFL offenses, I'm like, yo, man, 678 00:33:38,786 --> 00:33:41,226 Speaker 1: Like people were talking about, oh, he can't last because 679 00:33:41,226 --> 00:33:42,906 Speaker 1: he's gonna take too many hits, and now all these 680 00:33:42,986 --> 00:33:46,866 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are running like Victid. Yeah, man, Vic he had 681 00:33:46,866 --> 00:33:48,626 Speaker 1: to be one of my favorite. He was one of 682 00:33:48,666 --> 00:33:51,186 Speaker 1: my hosts when I went on my visit of Virginia Tech. 683 00:33:51,226 --> 00:33:52,866 Speaker 1: We're both out of the state of Virginia his high 684 00:33:52,866 --> 00:33:55,066 Speaker 1: school and never went to the playoffs though you know 685 00:33:55,066 --> 00:33:57,066 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Van in my high school we stilway 686 00:33:57,066 --> 00:33:59,746 Speaker 1: beat up on them schools down there in the seven seven. 687 00:33:59,786 --> 00:34:02,546 Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess I would have to say, Michael 688 00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:05,626 Speaker 1: Vick man, Um, I never really thought about it like 689 00:34:05,746 --> 00:34:10,186 Speaker 1: at because again, I love Lamar Jackson, Um, Lamar. I 690 00:34:10,226 --> 00:34:14,026 Speaker 1: love Lamar Jackson because he's a runner as a position. 691 00:34:14,066 --> 00:34:15,586 Speaker 1: And again that's what I was when I say when 692 00:34:15,626 --> 00:34:18,146 Speaker 1: I mean by runner, Guys, you don't see Lamar Jackson 693 00:34:18,186 --> 00:34:21,746 Speaker 1: take big hits because he has the runners instant. Slippery man, 694 00:34:21,866 --> 00:34:24,786 Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. Yeah, if Bret was running 695 00:34:24,786 --> 00:34:27,386 Speaker 1: the football, he would take big hits because he doesn't 696 00:34:27,426 --> 00:34:30,146 Speaker 1: have the runners instincts. So y'all would have to say, 697 00:34:30,186 --> 00:34:33,106 Speaker 1: Mike Vick, Lamar Jackson, have you seen that NFL Legends 698 00:34:33,106 --> 00:34:35,626 Speaker 1: thing that we do here? Yes, yes, yes, Vick and 699 00:34:35,706 --> 00:34:39,506 Speaker 1: Lamar dude, man, and they have they did it. They 700 00:34:39,586 --> 00:34:43,666 Speaker 1: did it. It's awesome. I gotta go check. It's one 701 00:34:43,666 --> 00:34:45,506 Speaker 1: of the first times when I've watched those pieces where 702 00:34:45,506 --> 00:34:47,146 Speaker 1: I sit there and I just focus and I'm just 703 00:34:47,226 --> 00:34:49,906 Speaker 1: watching these dudes interact. What's really cool? And I think, 704 00:34:50,146 --> 00:34:52,986 Speaker 1: what's what's interesting about it? And our listeners are understand this. 705 00:34:53,706 --> 00:34:59,226 Speaker 1: When you're literally the fastest, most dynamic, most athletic human 706 00:34:59,386 --> 00:35:03,186 Speaker 1: on the field at any given time, and you're the quarterback, 707 00:35:03,546 --> 00:35:06,546 Speaker 1: you get the ball every single play. It takes a 708 00:35:06,626 --> 00:35:10,066 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of responsibility not to just say, you know what, guys, 709 00:35:11,266 --> 00:35:13,066 Speaker 1: we're just gonna put ten guys on the line of scrimmage. 710 00:35:13,146 --> 00:35:15,026 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the ball and I'm just gonna it 711 00:35:15,106 --> 00:35:17,466 Speaker 1: does like I remember Joe Puto telling me, like, Mike, 712 00:35:17,906 --> 00:35:21,226 Speaker 1: what do you throw on it for? You're the ultimate shutdown? 713 00:35:21,426 --> 00:35:24,826 Speaker 1: Just run the ball. Yeah, And I always hear his 714 00:35:24,906 --> 00:35:27,186 Speaker 1: voice every time I think about doing three quarterback. Yeah, 715 00:35:27,346 --> 00:35:30,666 Speaker 1: it's it's it really is remarkable. Uh, No one better 716 00:35:30,826 --> 00:35:32,986 Speaker 1: to hang with to do these episodes, and you, Mike 717 00:35:33,066 --> 00:35:35,386 Speaker 1: Rob always appreciate it. I know I mentioned this earlier. 718 00:35:35,546 --> 00:35:39,266 Speaker 1: If you got a question, don't know how to find 719 00:35:39,266 --> 00:35:41,186 Speaker 1: the answer, we got a whole staff here. We got 720 00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:43,906 Speaker 1: a team that can get you that answer. You can 721 00:35:43,906 --> 00:35:47,146 Speaker 1: slide into my m s add like underscore M you 722 00:35:47,146 --> 00:35:50,506 Speaker 1: can send some shades towards Real and Rob ready to 723 00:35:50,626 --> 00:35:52,706 Speaker 1: rock and ball, Mike, Rob always going to be with 724 00:35:52,746 --> 00:35:55,826 Speaker 1: you man. That is evolution of NFL offenses explained