Speaker 1: Guess what mango?
Speaker 2: What's that? Will see?
Speaker 1: You remember a couple of weeks ago when the artist
Speaker 1: banks He pulled that incredible prank on the entire auction world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was when it was painting just self destructed
Speaker 2: in front of everyone. Wasn't it worth over a million dollars?
Speaker 1: It was actually one point four million dollars? And the
Speaker 1: crazy part is they say it's probably worth even more
Speaker 1: now and the person who had bid on it, you know,
Speaker 1: has agreed to pay that price.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I mean, I guess it does make it
Speaker 2: more unique, but it's still really weird how much people
Speaker 2: will pay for things.
Speaker 1: No, it definitely is. And actually I find this kind
Speaker 1: of thing fascinating. I mean, it's it's always interesting to
Speaker 1: see what people will pay big money for at auction.
Speaker 1: So I was recently looking at this list of the
Speaker 1: things people have bid on over the years that are
Speaker 1: related to the Titanic disaster, and one thing that went
Speaker 1: for even more than that Banksy painting is the violin
Speaker 1: played by William Hartley as the Titanic sank. Now, many
Speaker 1: of us have heard this legend before, and it's of
Speaker 1: course impossible to verify, you know, every piece of it.
Speaker 1: But the idea is that Hartley, who was the band leader,
Speaker 1: that he asked his seven musicians to keep playing as
Speaker 1: the ship was going down, And so some tell the
Speaker 1: story that he led his crew in playing Near My
Speaker 1: God to thee and you know, that may not be
Speaker 1: completely true. It does appear that the musicians did maintain
Speaker 1: their composure and they continued playing something what we don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what it was, but that violin that Hartley
Speaker 1: played sold back in twenty thirteen for one point seven
Speaker 1: million dollars. And I guess it's really no surprise because,
Speaker 1: you know, more than one hundred years after the tragic event,
Speaker 1: we're still fascinated by it. So today we'll try to
Speaker 1: better understand why that is, you know, and ask some
Speaker 1: of the questions like what did people know about the
Speaker 1: Titanic before it set sail, what was life like on board,
Speaker 1: and what were some of the strange ways people chose
Speaker 1: to remember the ship after the disaster. So let's get started, Hey,
Speaker 1: their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will
Speaker 1: Pearson and as always I'm joined by my good friend
Speaker 1: mangesh Hot Ticketer and on the other side of the
Speaker 1: soundproof glass wearing a button that just says proud member
Speaker 1: of the just Mysstic club. That's our friend and producer
Speaker 1: Tristan McNeil. Now a lot of people don't know this,
Speaker 1: but Tristan very nearly booked himself on a trip on
Speaker 1: the Titanic back in nineteen twelve. Thankfully, the plan fell
Speaker 1: apart at the very last minute, you know, on account
Speaker 1: of his not having been born yet, so ultimately he
Speaker 1: missed the boat.
Speaker 2: Which is just such a lucky break. But you know,
Speaker 2: Tristan isn't alone in telling tall tales about how he
Speaker 2: narrowly escaped death on the Titanic. In fact, just five
Speaker 2: days after the sinking, there are already press reports about
Speaker 2: the so called US Missed It Club and how it
Speaker 2: already had six nine hundred four members. And so this
Speaker 2: was obviously tongue in cheek, but it was also kind
Speaker 2: of true. Like a suspiciously large number of people had
Speaker 2: come forward claiming they'd missed the boat because they'd been
Speaker 2: running late that morning, or they'd gotten sick or whatever,
Speaker 2: but everyone knew most of the stories were completely made up.
Speaker 2: Like in one of the press reports I mentioned, they
Speaker 2: had a sarcastic quote from a guy who said, quote,
Speaker 2: I count it lucky that I didn't have the money
Speaker 2: to go abroad this year. If all of us who
Speaker 2: just missed it had got aboard the Titanic, she would
Speaker 2: have sunk at the Liverpool Dock from the overload.
Speaker 1: I'm glad the public didn't fall for all these stories.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a strange compulsion in the first place,
Speaker 1: you know, to lie like that because I don't know,
Speaker 1: because you want to attach yourself to a tragedy. But
Speaker 1: I guess that goes to show how captivated people were
Speaker 1: by the story of the Titanic. And the really amazing
Speaker 1: thing is that more than one hundred years later, many
Speaker 1: of us are still just as captivated. So at this
Speaker 1: point the disaster, it feels like it's taken on kind
Speaker 1: of a mythical status in world culture, and it's become
Speaker 1: one of those stories that everybody seems to know. In fact,
Speaker 1: I read in Smithsonian that Titanic is actually the third
Speaker 1: most recognized word in the world, just below God and
Speaker 1: Coca cola. And you know, while it's true that interest
Speaker 1: in the story has ebbed and flowed over time, it's
Speaker 1: still something that we always seem to come back to
Speaker 1: So today we'll take a look at why that is
Speaker 1: and why Titanic still fascinates us all these years later,
Speaker 1: and help answer that. We'll talk about the impact the
Speaker 1: tragedies had on the world, both in the short term
Speaker 1: and the long term, and we'll also dig a little
Speaker 1: deeper into life aboard the ship, which you know, includes
Speaker 1: the surprising stories of a few standout passengers. It's definitely
Speaker 1: a lot to cover, so let's get to it. But
Speaker 1: where do you want to start, Mango, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Thought we could start with one of the biggest reasons
Speaker 2: that people have stayed invested in the Titanic, and that's
Speaker 2: just the ship itself. So most of us know that
Speaker 2: at the time it was the largest ocean liner ever constructed,
Speaker 2: and more broadly, the large just men made moving object
Speaker 2: in the world. It was about eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: feet long and one hundred and seventy five feet tall,
Speaker 2: which means the ship was as long as three football
Speaker 2: fields and as tall as a seventeen story building. Isn't
Speaker 2: that insane?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a massive ship for
Speaker 1: its time, no question about that, But it wouldn't really
Speaker 1: be that impressive today though, right I mean, we have
Speaker 1: cruise ships that are more than four times that size now,
Speaker 1: so it does make me wonder, like why the size
Speaker 1: of the Titanic still captures people's interest.
Speaker 2: So I think it's partly the perception that the Titanic
Speaker 2: was kind of tempting fate in a way, like the
Speaker 2: fact that the ship held that title as the world's
Speaker 2: largest and then it ended up sinking on its maiden voyage.
Speaker 2: It feels like this cautionary tale about man's hubris in
Speaker 2: some people's minds, Like it's almost like a Tower of
Speaker 2: Babbel situation or something where man kind of overreached and
Speaker 2: then was made to suffer for it. And I think
Speaker 2: that still resonates for people, especially since we've heard so
Speaker 2: many stories now about how luxurious and decadent the ship was,
Speaker 2: especially compared to others at the time.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, before we get to that fateful night
Speaker 1: with the iceberg, I do want to spend a little
Speaker 1: more time on board and talk about a few of
Speaker 1: those deck in it details that you alluded to. So,
Speaker 1: for example, the Titanic was one of the first ships
Speaker 1: to have electric lights in all of its rooms. It
Speaker 1: also had way more amenities than most other ships, and
Speaker 1: so just looking at the list, here among those were
Speaker 1: four elevators, a heated swimming pool, two libraries, two barber shops,
Speaker 1: a squash court, a Turkish bath, and even it's on
Speaker 1: onboard newspaper called the Atlantic Daily Bulletin.
Speaker 2: So I hadn't heard about the paper. I'm guessing that
Speaker 2: means that they had a printing press on board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was a small print shop on
Speaker 1: the D deck, and of course this was close to
Speaker 1: the butcher's shop in case you're wondering.
Speaker 2: Now I know where i'd get my PASTROMI on that.
Speaker 2: That's right, But I mean, it really does feel like
Speaker 2: they thought about everything. My favorite Titanic amenity, though it
Speaker 2: is probably the onboard gymnasium, Like it had all the
Speaker 2: best equipment, naturally, including old standards like rowing machines, weights,
Speaker 2: punching bags, but it also had this cutting edge gear,
Speaker 2: like they had two static bicycles with two foot dials
Speaker 2: attached to show the distance that had been traveled. And
Speaker 2: there were also a few electric horses, which were these
Speaker 2: big mechanical saddles meant to mimic riding a horse.
Speaker 1: I mean, does that even count as exercise? It kind
Speaker 1: of feels like it would be less of a workout
Speaker 1: for the rider than for the horse, or I guess
Speaker 1: the saddle in this case.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was supposed to streadden your
Speaker 2: core or maybe some leg muscles, But either way, I
Speaker 2: doubt any of the passenger has worked up that much
Speaker 2: of a sweat. Like, if you look at pictures from
Speaker 2: floating gyms on the Titanic and other ships of the era,
Speaker 2: most of the passengers are exercising while they're wearing their
Speaker 2: full get up, So it's like a bunch of really
Speaker 2: sedate and calm looking people in these three piece suits
Speaker 2: or like big Edwardian dresses and hats, and they're just
Speaker 2: kind of half heartedly pedling on the bikes or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's pretty lazy looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually seen some of these pictures, and honestly,
Speaker 1: my guess is that it's the first time in a
Speaker 1: gym for most of them, because nobody looks like they
Speaker 1: know what they're doing at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good thing that they had a
Speaker 2: personal trainer on board the Titanic. This is real. His
Speaker 2: name was Thomas McCauley, and it was this guy's job
Speaker 2: to show passengers how to use the equipment, and even
Speaker 2: to provide one on one training sessions. And it seems
Speaker 2: like McCauley took his job super seriously because the night
Speaker 2: the ship sank, he actually chose to stay at his
Speaker 2: post in the gym and go down with the ship.
Speaker 1: Wait, seriously, I mean, I don't want to speak ill
Speaker 1: of the dead, but that sort of seems a little
Speaker 1: bit unnecessary. I mean, we did talk about how the
Speaker 1: band chose to continue playing as the ship sank, and
Speaker 1: to me though, that makes sense because it was a
Speaker 1: way to sacrifice and to calm the passengers, or to
Speaker 1: give them at least some sense of peace. But I mean,
Speaker 1: why keep the gym open. I can't imagine anybody was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: I think, I'll just get in a few more reps
Speaker 1: before whatever happens here happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably not, But if anyone was trying to burn
Speaker 2: like a few calories for the road, I really wouldn't
Speaker 2: blame them. I mean, the meals on board the Titanic
Speaker 2: were pretty epic, at least for the first class passengers,
Speaker 2: and so the dinners were gourmet affairs with up to
Speaker 2: thirteen courses, each of which came with its own paired wine.
Speaker 2: There was also a pre dinner cocktail service that was
Speaker 2: added as a concession to American passengers. Apparently European passengers
Speaker 2: weren't fans of this idea because they thought mixed drinks
Speaker 2: ruined your palette before eating. But from start to finish,
Speaker 2: these elaborate meals could last as long as four or
Speaker 2: five hours, and because the first class menu was actually
Speaker 2: later recovered, we actually know exactly what the wealthiest Titanic
Speaker 2: passengers had for dinner the night the ship went down,
Speaker 2: and it was an incredible spread. The feast started with
Speaker 2: raw oysters and a selection of ordeuvres, followed by a
Speaker 2: choice of two soups. Then came a lightly pushed Atlantic
Speaker 2: salmon topped with a rich moose. For the fourth and
Speaker 2: fifth courses, passengers chose from such rich entrees as a
Speaker 2: filet mignon or a lamb with mint sauce. And then
Speaker 2: at the halfway point of the meal, this is only
Speaker 2: halfway through the meal, you get a palate cleanser. It's
Speaker 2: it's a punch romaine, which I guess is a boozy
Speaker 2: mix of wine, rum and champagne. And then once you've
Speaker 2: regained your appetite, the feasting resumes. There's a roast squab course,
Speaker 2: cold asparagus vinaigrette fois gras, and then there's dessert, which
Speaker 2: includes peaches and charcheris, jelly, chocolate, Vanilla Claire's French ice cream,
Speaker 2: and then to close off the meal, there's a variety
Speaker 2: of fruits, nuts, and cheeses with coffee, port cigars, and cordials.
Speaker 2: It's pretty amiable.
Speaker 1: It feels like they just accidentally went ahead and cooked
Speaker 1: everything for the week for one meal. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how these people would get up and walk after
Speaker 1: eating all of this stuff. I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: could make it through a single meal.
Speaker 2: I know, but if you did want to try, there
Speaker 2: are actually places all over the world that now offer
Speaker 2: dinners that recreate that last meal that the first class
Speaker 2: passengers ate on the ship. And it's kind of a
Speaker 2: cob but some people claim it's a great way to
Speaker 2: humanize the tragedy or understand the history of the ethics acide. Like,
Speaker 2: the biggest drawback is probably the price of these dinners. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, there's one restaurant in Houston. It offers a
Speaker 2: ten course menu for one thousand dollars per person. There's
Speaker 2: also a version of this on a luxury hotel in
Speaker 2: Hong Kong, where the price is doubled because it reportedly
Speaker 2: serves this vintage nineteen oh seven bottle of wine that's
Speaker 2: actually salvage from the wreck of the Titanic.
Speaker 1: I like this idea that it somehow humanizes the tragedy
Speaker 1: by just sitting there, stopping yourself with all of this.
Speaker 2: And drinking fancy old wine. Don't forget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess so. I guess they know exactly
Speaker 1: what it was like to be on the Titanic then,
Speaker 1: But that feels a little too rich for my blood.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe i'd spring for a recreation of
Speaker 1: maybe like the third class dinner. I mean, that's got
Speaker 1: to be a lot cheaper, right, Like. I imagine they were
Speaker 1: a bit more down to earth at the second and
Speaker 1: third class tables, right, So, I think.
Speaker 2: That's a really funny idea, But not as much as
Speaker 2: you think, right. Like, So, the first and second class
Speaker 2: dining rooms actually shared a galley, so there was probably
Speaker 2: a good bit of crossover when it comes to what
Speaker 2: was served, kind of like business a first class on
Speaker 2: a plane or something, But the main difference would have
Speaker 2: been that second class diners wouldn't have had all the
Speaker 2: crazy wine pairings a few of the other frills that
Speaker 2: the first class people enjoyed, and honestly, even third class
Speaker 2: passengers didn't have it too bad when it came to food.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot less lamb with mint sauce
Speaker 2: and a lot more roast beef and boiled potatoes. But
Speaker 2: you actually wouldn't hear that many people complaining about it.
Speaker 2: At the time, most ocean liners required third class passengers
Speaker 2: to bring their own food to last the entire voyage,
Speaker 2: which would have made the Titanic's prepared meals seem really
Speaker 2: decadent to most people. I mean, the same can't be
Speaker 2: said for the accommodations, though there were actually only two
Speaker 2: bathtubs for all seven hundred third class passengers to share.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, well, maybe let's not dwell on that. But
Speaker 1: getting back to the food, it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: even wrap my head around the amount of work that
Speaker 1: must have gone into feeding this many people and multiple
Speaker 1: times a day. Like there were twenty two hundred people
Speaker 1: aboard the Titanic, you've got thirteen hundred passengers, nine hundred
Speaker 1: crew members, so just doing the math like three meals
Speaker 1: a day. That's sixty six hundred meals that the kitchens
Speaker 1: had to crank out every twenty four hours, and it
Speaker 1: must have been a pretty colossal effort.
Speaker 2: It definitely was. So I read this interview with Dana McCauley.
Speaker 2: She co wrote a book called Last Dinner on the Titanic,
Speaker 2: and she says the Titanic's kitchen crew included one hundred
Speaker 2: thirteen cooks, fifteen first cooks who supervised things, twelve pastry chefs,
Speaker 2: six bakers, five butchers, and five sous chefs. And you know,
Speaker 2: you think about that, that's not even mentioning the dozens
Speaker 2: of waiters or bus boys that each meal required.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty huge staff. But I'm
Speaker 1: actually a bit surprised that it's not even bigger when
Speaker 1: you consider how many people they were feeding and just
Speaker 1: the level of sheer variety on those menus that you
Speaker 1: talked about. But you know, since you mentioned the Titanic's bakers,
Speaker 1: I want to take a second and talk about the
Speaker 1: ship's chief baker. He was a guy named Charles Joffin,
Speaker 1: and he was a survi of the wreck and live
Speaker 1: for decades afterward. But he was also examined as part
Speaker 1: of a British inquiry after the accident, and the picture
Speaker 1: he paints during his testimony is really pretty amazing. So,
Speaker 1: after the Titanic hits the iceberg, sorry for the spoiler there,
Speaker 1: but Charles immediately gets to work and he starts rounding
Speaker 1: up all the bread he can find to help bolster
Speaker 1: the provisions and all the lifeboats. Now he ends up
Speaker 1: sending something like forty pounds of bread loaves to the
Speaker 1: upper decks, and then he heads back to his cabin
Speaker 1: where he proceeds to steal himself with what he called,
Speaker 1: quote a drop of liqueur, and I have a feeling
Speaker 1: it was a little more than a drop, and honestly,
Speaker 1: in that situation, who can blame him. But then Charles
Speaker 1: heads to the a deck and he starts helping to
Speaker 1: load the lifeboats. Now this is something I hadn't heard before,
Speaker 1: but apparently many of the passengers were reluctant to leave
Speaker 1: the ship, Like in the first hour or so after
Speaker 1: the collision, when only the lower decks were flooding. At
Speaker 1: that point, a lot of the people tried to wave
Speaker 1: off the danger and actually refused to get on. These lifeboats.
Speaker 1: So Charles knew better in this situation. And so when
Speaker 1: he found women and children just squatting on the deck
Speaker 1: refusing to budge, he and other crew members began picking
Speaker 1: up these stubborn passengers and actually throwing them into the lifeboats.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then when these last lifeboats were filled and lowered,
Speaker 1: Charles went back down to his cabin, had himself another
Speaker 1: drop of liqueur, and went right back on the deck. Now,
Speaker 1: at this point, the ship was sinking in earnest and
Speaker 1: it was clear that the majority of the passengers were
Speaker 1: still on board. So he was helpful to the very
Speaker 1: last minute, and he tossed some fifty odd deck chairs
Speaker 1: into the water so that people would have something to
Speaker 1: cling on to when the ship inevitably went under.
Speaker 2: That really is inspiring. Also, can I just say how
Speaker 2: perfect an activity he chose given his circumstances, Like checking
Speaker 2: deck chairs into the ocean is exactly the thing you
Speaker 2: should do if you're trapped on a sinking ship and
Speaker 2: you've had a few drinks.
Speaker 1: No, it does seem pretty fitting in that scenario. But
Speaker 1: here's where really achieves legend status in my eyes, Like
Speaker 1: he was actually still abore the Titanic when it split
Speaker 1: in half. In fact, he reportedly climbed over the railing
Speaker 1: rode the ship down as it sank, and when asked
Speaker 1: during his inquiry if he had been dragged under with
Speaker 1: the ship, Charles just replied, I do not believe my
Speaker 1: head went underwater at all. It may have been wetted,
Speaker 1: but no more.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this guy's my near hero.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's really saying something because there are a
Speaker 1: ton of stories about passengers behaving bravely while the ship
Speaker 1: went down, And of course these days a lot of
Speaker 1: people say chivalry is dead, but that definitely wasn't the
Speaker 1: case aboard the Titanic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I think most people know the famous
Speaker 2: policy about evacuating women and children first, and that really
Speaker 2: was an explicit order that Captain Smith gave the night
Speaker 2: the Titanic sank. But what I never knew before this
Speaker 2: week is that Titanic actually proved the exception in that
Speaker 2: regard rather than the rule, because it turns out that
Speaker 2: in most maritime disasters, men have had a significantly higher
Speaker 2: survival rate than women and children.
Speaker 1: Really, I don't think I would have guessed that, but right, well,
Speaker 1: I have a ton of questions to ask, and at
Speaker 1: some point we do need to talk about the crash itself.
Speaker 1: But before we get to any of that, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break. You're listening to Part Time Genius and
Speaker 1: we're talking about the enduring legacy of the RMS Titanic.
Speaker 1: All right, mego, So before the break, you were saying
Speaker 1: that when disaster strikes at sea that men generally fare
Speaker 1: better than women and children. So can you explain what
Speaker 1: you mean by that?
Speaker 2: Sure? So this comes from this sweetest study where researchers
Speaker 2: looked at eighteen maritime disasters that happened between eighteen fifty
Speaker 2: two and twenty eleven, and what they found was that
Speaker 2: women and children survived in greater numbers than men in
Speaker 2: only two of the eighteen cases. It was for the
Speaker 2: HMS Brokenstock in fifty two and the Titanic in nineteen twelve.
Speaker 2: In all other cases, men came out ahead, with an
Speaker 2: average survival rate of thirty seven percent, compared to twenty
Speaker 2: seven percent for women and just fifteen percent for children.
Speaker 2: And that was the only surprise to come out of
Speaker 2: the study either, because it turns out the crew members
Speaker 2: actually have the highest survival rate. They come out with
Speaker 2: a whopping sixty one percent. And you know, this romantic
Speaker 2: idea of captains choosing to go down with the ships, right,
Speaker 2: that apparently doesn't happen as often as we assume, because
Speaker 2: even captains tend to have a higher survival rate than passengers.
Speaker 1: But you're saying that wasn't the case the night the
Speaker 1: Titanic sank.
Speaker 2: Exactly So with Titanic, women actually had a seventy five
Speaker 2: percent survival rate compared to just seventeen percent for men.
Speaker 2: And it's the same with children. Half the kids aboard
Speaker 2: the Titanic survived the ordeal.
Speaker 1: All right, So do we know why that is? Like,
Speaker 1: what made the Titanic so different? Was its crew just
Speaker 1: like that much better at following the correct procedure or
Speaker 1: what happened there?
Speaker 2: That's the thing. The whole women and children first was explicit,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't this like ridden rule at the time.
Speaker 2: And in fact, as we see with those other sixteen cases,
Speaker 2: the real policy is closer to first come, first server,
Speaker 2: or even every man for himself. But that's one way
Speaker 2: in which Birkenstock and Titanic stick out from the others,
Speaker 2: because in both those cases, the captains gave this direct
Speaker 2: order that women and children should be evacuated first.
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, then the higher survival rates
Speaker 1: for women and children it's really thanks more to the
Speaker 1: captains and crew like, not necessarily the passengers of the
Speaker 1: Titanic being chivalrous, was really more the captain.
Speaker 2: So that is one way to look at it. But
Speaker 2: on the other hand, we do have plenty of reports
Speaker 2: of crew members and even passengers who chose to remain
Speaker 2: on board and help others rather than take up space
Speaker 2: and lifeboats. I mean, supposedly there were just people on
Speaker 2: deck just standing and smoking cigars drinking brandy while others
Speaker 2: fled for their lives. And while that might sound kind
Speaker 2: of silly or naivetas, I think those guys absolutely knew
Speaker 2: what they were doing. They were willing to die in
Speaker 2: order to give other people a shot at living, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So then what do we make of this, Like,
Speaker 1: are we saying the passengers of Titanic and I guess
Speaker 1: Birkenstock just happened to be more selfless than you know,
Speaker 1: people in these other ship wrecks, And me, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's got to be more to it than that.
Speaker 2: I read the study from an Australian economist. His name's
Speaker 2: David Savage, and he actually suggested that Titanic's passengers behave
Speaker 2: more altruistically simply because they had the time to do so.
Speaker 2: Like if you think about the wreck of the Lusitania,
Speaker 2: which was this other luxury liner from the era, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard of, it had a similar number
Speaker 2: of passengers and survivals to the Titanic. But whereas the
Speaker 2: Lusitania sank in less than twenty minutes, Titanic took nearly
Speaker 2: three hours. And that's why Savage suggests that the longer
Speaker 2: timeline allowed social norms to assert themselves aboard the Titanic.
Speaker 2: So instead of giving into the panic self interest as
Speaker 2: passengers aboard the Lusitania and most of the other ships did,
Speaker 2: the people aboard the Titanic had enough time to tamp
Speaker 2: down their self preservation instincts and really act in favor
Speaker 2: of the group instead. And you know, I have to
Speaker 2: wonder if that, in itself is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that people are still so affected by the Titanic story today. Like,
Speaker 2: if you think about it, this was one of those
Speaker 2: rare tragedies where the people involved actually had the time
Speaker 2: to think about their circumstances and how they wanted to
Speaker 2: spend their final moments, and that's not really a luxury
Speaker 2: that many have had in major disasters in the last century.
Speaker 1: Well, and think about how much worse things could have
Speaker 1: gone if the passengers didn't have that extra bit of time.
Speaker 1: I mean, as it stands, there were only about seven
Speaker 1: hundred survivors from Titanic, which means roughly fifteen hundred people
Speaker 1: lost their lives that night, and if there'd been mass panic,
Speaker 1: it's likely that even more people would have died in
Speaker 1: the process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, though I do question how much better things really
Speaker 2: could have been. Like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: the ship just didn't have anywhere near the number of
Speaker 2: lifeboats it would have technically taken to save everyone on board.
Speaker 2: And that's what the ship at half capacity like the
Speaker 2: Titanic technically could have fit another eleven hundred people on board,
Speaker 2: which undoubtedly would have made it an even bigger tragedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And you know, people often point to
Speaker 1: those lack of lifeboats aboard the Titanic as another example
Speaker 1: of the hubris of the ship's owners and creators. And
Speaker 1: you know, to a certain extent that makes sense. Like
Speaker 1: one of the stories I hear a lot is how
Speaker 1: the ship could have easily carried twice the amount of
Speaker 1: lifeboats that it had, only the designers didn't want to
Speaker 1: ruin the esthetics by cluttering the deck with more boats.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just absurd. And well, that may be true,
Speaker 1: it's worth noting that Titanic was completely up to code
Speaker 1: when it came to lifeboats. In fact, it was actually
Speaker 1: more compliant than it even had to be, because instead
Speaker 1: of having sixteen lifeboats as the Board of Trade required,
Speaker 1: the ship actually had twenty.
Speaker 2: I mean that sounds ridiculous, Like a ship as big
Speaker 2: as the Titanic was only required to have sixteen lifeboats.
Speaker 2: How is that even possible? Like didn't they know how
Speaker 2: many people were going to be on board?
Speaker 1: Well they did, But the thing is like the number
Speaker 1: of passengers wasn't actually a factor, and the hermiting this.
Speaker 1: So prior to Titanic, the number of lifeboats needed was
Speaker 1: based solely on a ship's weight. So whether the ship
Speaker 1: the size of the Titanic was sailing half full or
Speaker 1: completely empty, it would have still been required to carry
Speaker 1: just sixteen lifeboats. Now, the good news is that Titanic
Speaker 1: shined a light on how little sense this made and practice,
Speaker 1: and so thanks to that public scrutiny and sended enquiries
Speaker 1: that took place in the days after the disaster, regulations
Speaker 1: definitely changed and the number of lifeboats started to be
Speaker 1: determined by the number of people on board, not by
Speaker 1: how much a ship weighed, which just seems weird that
Speaker 1: we even have to say that, because who else would
Speaker 1: be getting on these lifeboats other than the people on
Speaker 1: the ship.
Speaker 2: Definitely a smart change, And you know, there were actually
Speaker 2: a couple other positive things to come out of the
Speaker 2: Titanic tragedy. For example, maritime agencies began using round the
Speaker 2: clock wireless monitoring to keep track of ships and to
Speaker 2: make sure that few distress calls were missed, and that's
Speaker 2: a that made a huge difference during World War One,
Speaker 2: when large ships were frequent targets for enemy torpedoes. In fact,
Speaker 2: the ship that rescued the Titanic, I think it was
Speaker 2: called the Carpathia. It was sunk six years later by
Speaker 2: a torpedo fired from a German U boat. But thanks
Speaker 2: to the lessons from Titanic, the Carpathia had plenty of
Speaker 2: lifeboats in a direct line to call for help. And
Speaker 2: as a result of this preparedness, not a single crew
Speaker 2: member or passenger drowned that day.
Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. And you know, actually we neglected to
Speaker 1: mention what's probably my favorite advancement to come out of Titanic,
Speaker 1: and that's the creation of what's called the International Ice Patrol. Now,
Speaker 1: this was established the very next year after the Titanic sank,
Speaker 1: and the organization has spent the last one hundred plus
Speaker 1: years just patrolling the North Atlantic and tracking the movement
Speaker 1: of icebergs. And so, you know, the way that it
Speaker 1: worked in the early days is that a patrol ship
Speaker 1: would just head out into the open ocean, find the
Speaker 1: southernmost iceberg and then just kind of keep an eye
Speaker 1: on it for the rest of the season. And so
Speaker 1: it would follow the iceberg wherever it went and then
Speaker 1: just report those movements so that the other boats would
Speaker 1: know how to steer.
Speaker 2: Clear, which is awesome. And you said this is something
Speaker 2: that still goes on today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Patrol is actually part of the US Coast
Speaker 1: Guard now and so these days they mostly do their
Speaker 1: scouting by plane, but satellites are also a factor now
Speaker 1: and of course, sometimes the team will still take a
Speaker 1: ship out and babysit the icebergs. Really kind of the
Speaker 1: old fashioned way.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, we also wanted to talk about some
Speaker 2: of the impact that Titanic's had on culture, both in
Speaker 2: the US and abroad. But before we do that, let's
Speaker 2: take one more quick break. Okay, Well, so let's talk
Speaker 2: about the first time Titanic fever gripped society, which, of
Speaker 2: course was back when news of the ships sinking first broke.
Speaker 2: And the guy who actually got the scoop was this
Speaker 2: journalist named Carlos Heard, who happened to be in just
Speaker 2: the right place at just the right time.
Speaker 1: Wait, don't tell me he was actually a passenger on
Speaker 1: the Titanic.
Speaker 2: Was he? No? But super close. He was actually one
Speaker 2: of the original passengers on board the Carpathia before it
Speaker 2: was re routed to aid in the rescue operation. So
Speaker 2: during the four day trip to New York, Carlos was
Speaker 2: able to interview many of the Titanic survivors and then
Speaker 2: turn those accounts into a five thousand word story.
Speaker 1: So is it true like the public didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about the disaster until his story came out?
Speaker 2: Well, where did the collision reach the mainland thanks to
Speaker 2: wireless messages sent from both the Titanic and the Carpathia.
Speaker 2: But these communications were short on details, and they came
Speaker 2: nowhere close to capturing the full scope of the tragedy.
Speaker 2: And while there was plenty of time to fill people
Speaker 2: in during the voyage to New York, like, the captain
Speaker 2: of the Carpathia actually banned everyone on board from sharing
Speaker 2: any information with the media aside from a list of
Speaker 2: which passengers had survived and which had perished.
Speaker 1: And so did people honor his wishes?
Speaker 2: Definitely not, because when the Carpathia had finally arrived at port,
Speaker 2: it was immediately surrounded by small boats that had been
Speaker 2: chartered by over eager news companies. According to the Smithsonian quote,
Speaker 2: reporters shouted through megaphones on their tugboats offered terrific sums
Speaker 2: of money for information exclusives, but Captain Rostron said he
Speaker 2: would shoot any pressman who dared venture aboard his ship.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, so then how did carlos Herd get
Speaker 1: his story out? Because I'm going to have to imagine
Speaker 1: he and others were stuck on the boat for a while.
Speaker 1: Once they got to New York and especially if they
Speaker 1: were so besieged by the press.
Speaker 2: That is true, which is why Carlos had to get
Speaker 2: creative if he was going to crack one of the
Speaker 2: biggest stories of the decade. And this is incredible. So
Speaker 2: you know, he sent the secret wireless message to a
Speaker 2: friend at a New York newspaper telling him to charter
Speaker 2: a tugboat, and then the guy sailed to the Carpathia
Speaker 2: that evening. Then behind the captain's back, Carlos stuffed his
Speaker 2: story into a waterproof bag and discreetly tossed it onto
Speaker 2: this waiting boat. And later that very night, the New
Speaker 2: York Evening World published his story. It was the first
Speaker 2: include accurate details about what had happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's wild to look back and see just
Speaker 1: how fast the story spread and kind of took root
Speaker 1: in people's minds after that, and all in the days
Speaker 1: before television or really even the radio craze for that matter.
Speaker 1: And for instance, I was reading how manufacturers rushed to
Speaker 1: produce Titanic merchandise and the days following the crash, so
Speaker 1: in a matter of weeks, the market was flooded with
Speaker 1: all sorts of commemorative products from postcards and dinner plates
Speaker 1: to music boxes, whiskey jiggers. I was even reading about
Speaker 1: this German toy company called stef that released a limited
Speaker 1: edition Titanic teddy bear shortly after the ship sank. And
Speaker 1: it's really weird, like it was actually called the Morning
Speaker 1: Bear because it was made to look like it was
Speaker 1: grieving the victims, like it had all black fur and
Speaker 1: these red rimmed eyes to make it look like the
Speaker 1: bear had been crying, and it's just gross, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. And apparently the idea had come from
Speaker 1: a report about the Titanic senior engineer William Moves, who
Speaker 1: went down with the ship and supposedly he had a
Speaker 1: stiff teddy Bear on board with him, so the company
Speaker 1: decided to release a memorial bear in his honor. And
Speaker 1: the craziest part is that today the stif Morning Bears
Speaker 1: typically go for upwards of twenty grand a piece at auction.
Speaker 2: That is insane. So one of the biggest surprises in
Speaker 2: preparing for today's episode was really that, like seeing just
Speaker 2: how quickly people began to capitalize on Titanic, And I
Speaker 2: think one of the best examples of that is the
Speaker 2: fact that exactly one month after the ship went down,
Speaker 2: the very first movie about Titanic premiered in theaters.
Speaker 1: Wait did you say one month after? Like I obviously
Speaker 1: knew the nineteen ninety seven movie wasn't the first to
Speaker 1: tackle the subject, But I mean, I can't see any
Speaker 1: way that something could have come out that quickly one
Speaker 1: month after such a real life tragedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you haven't even heard the wildest part yet,
Speaker 2: because this movie, which was called Saved from the Titanic,
Speaker 2: actually starred a young silent film actress named Dorothy Gibson,
Speaker 2: and Dorothy and her mother were both survivors of the
Speaker 2: real Titanic. I mean, can you even imagine like living
Speaker 2: through a nightmare like that and then re enacting the
Speaker 2: whole thing just.
Speaker 1: Two weeks later? I mean, I can't imagine that, nor
Speaker 1: would I want to. But what on earth made her
Speaker 1: want to do this?
Speaker 2: So Dorothy afferently did not want to do the movie
Speaker 2: at all, but she got talked into it by her
Speaker 2: producer slash boyfriend, who is I guess this unscrupulous Hollywood
Speaker 2: mogul type like his name was Jules Brullator. He had
Speaker 2: put together this news reel and The Titanic that proved
Speaker 2: to be this huge hit, so he figured that a
Speaker 2: dramatization of the event, starting an actual survivor would make
Speaker 2: a great next act, and so, with the help of
Speaker 2: a thousand dollars engagement ring, he made his pitch to Dorothy,
Speaker 2: and she ultimately agreed to make this one real film
Speaker 2: about her experience. But as you can imagine, it was
Speaker 2: not easy. For the sake of realism, she chose to
Speaker 2: wear the same evening dress, coat and shoes that she'd
Speaker 2: worn the night Titanic sank, and Dorothy reportedly burst into
Speaker 2: tears multiple times during the shooting, and once the film
Speaker 2: had wrapped, she walked away from the movie business for good.
Speaker 2: She stated simply that she felt quote dissatisfied.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't blame her for wanting to get
Speaker 1: away from an industry that would push her into reliving
Speaker 1: a trauma like that. But yeah, honestly though, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have to admit I would be curious to see
Speaker 1: the movie, and.
Speaker 2: The truth is, you're not the only one. So Save
Speaker 2: from the Titanic is actually one of the holy grails
Speaker 2: for silent movie buffs. And that's because two years after
Speaker 2: it was made, this massive fire broke out at the
Speaker 2: studio and all the known prints were destroyed, so nobody's
Speaker 2: seen the movie since its original run in theaters over
Speaker 2: one hundred years ago. And as much as I wish
Speaker 2: the film could have been preserved for posterity, it's kind
Speaker 2: of poetic that no one can make her reenact that
Speaker 2: experience ever again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess there's a certain kind of
Speaker 1: justice in that, But I mean what I find ironic
Speaker 1: is that there are plenty of people today who will
Speaker 1: go to great links and great expense to sort of
Speaker 1: relive the experience of the Titanic. I mean, you mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier how people pay big money to recreate the ships
Speaker 1: lavish meals, and there are also companies that offer one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars submarine voyages to see the actual Titanic
Speaker 1: wreckage in all its glory. And I actually I read
Speaker 1: about an American couple that even got married and a
Speaker 1: tiny sub docked on the bow of the tiny shipwreck.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that made for some pretty amazing wedding pictures.
Speaker 2: But it does seem a little disrespectful to me, right,
Speaker 2: like it's effectively this mass grave.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean You're not the only one to point
Speaker 1: that out. And in fact, listen to what the company
Speaker 1: that put on the undersea wedding said in its defense.
Speaker 1: It said, what's got to be remembered is that every
Speaker 1: time a couple gets married in church, they have to
Speaker 1: walk through a graveyard to get to the altar.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, plenty of people get married in churches
Speaker 2: that have on site cemeteries, but in those cases the
Speaker 2: graveyard isn't the selling point like it is with the Titanic.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the Titanic tourism stuff probably comes from
Speaker 1: that same place as those just missed it stories we
Speaker 1: talked about at the top of the show, and that
Speaker 1: kind of weird desire that people feel to tie themselves
Speaker 1: to someone else's tragedy. But I mean, in this case,
Speaker 1: I feel like it goes a little too.
Speaker 2: Far, which sounds right, But I pretty much signed with
Speaker 2: Robert Ballard, who is the oceanographer who first discovered the
Speaker 2: Titanic wreckage back in eighty five, and he refused to
Speaker 2: divulge to the ship's exact location for vera that treasure
Speaker 2: hunters and corporations would swoop in to exploit it. And
Speaker 2: it's an act that Ballard actually saw as tantamount to
Speaker 2: grave robbing. Of course, the coordinates eventually leaked anyway, and
Speaker 2: now more than one hundred and forty people have visited
Speaker 2: the shipwreck off the coast of Newfoundland altogether. Though these
Speaker 2: visitors have extracted some five thousand artifacts and done untold
Speaker 2: damage to the ship itself in the process.
Speaker 1: It's always a little unsettling to see the final resting
Speaker 1: place of so many people picked apart like that. But
Speaker 1: actually I read somewhere that the Titanic's under UNESCO protection now, though,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ever since the hundredth anniversary of the wreck, I
Speaker 2: believe so.
Speaker 1: Then it's considered like this underwater cultural heritage site or
Speaker 1: something like that, and so any kind of excavation would
Speaker 1: actually be off limits at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and legal protections, even ones that are
Speaker 2: a few decades too late, are a nice deterrent to
Speaker 2: these would be pirates and scavengers. But the reality is
Speaker 2: that Titanic won't be around much longer no matter what
Speaker 2: we do, and that's because about a decade ago, scientists
Speaker 2: discovered a new species of bacteria that's been slowly devouring
Speaker 2: the ship's iron hull. Not only that, but as the
Speaker 2: microbes munch away, they form these icicle like communities called rusticles,
Speaker 2: and this happens all over the ship, inside it out,
Speaker 2: and as the rusticals get heavier and heavier, they start
Speaker 2: to pull the ship apart piece by piece. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 2: mollusks have made short work of the wood from Titanic,
Speaker 2: and of course any human remains were consumed by marine
Speaker 2: life long ago, So at this point most researchers think
Speaker 2: it's just another decade or two until the ship is
Speaker 2: gone forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that'll really be the end of an era.
Speaker 1: But of course, with all the biographies and movies and
Speaker 1: Teddy Bears and themed dinners, I mean I think we'll
Speaker 1: always have plenty that remember the Titanic and its passengers
Speaker 1: by absolutely.
Speaker 2: And speaking of remembrances, Robert Ballard gave a really touching
Speaker 2: one shortly after he found the shipwreck, and it kind
Speaker 2: of works as a eulogy for the ship and for
Speaker 2: the event as a whole. So I thought it might
Speaker 2: be a nice way to close out the show. Do
Speaker 2: you mind if I read it and then we can
Speaker 2: go straight to the fact off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what Ballard said. Quote. The Titanic
Speaker 2: lies now in thirteen thousand feet of water on a
Speaker 2: gently sloping alpine looking countryside, overlooking a small canyon below.
Speaker 2: Its bow faces north. The ship sits upright on its bottom,
Speaker 2: with its mighty stacks pointed upward. There is no light
Speaker 2: at this great depth, and little life can be found.
Speaker 2: It is a quiet and peaceful place, and a fitting
Speaker 2: place for the remains of this greatest of sea tragedies
Speaker 2: to rest forever. May it remain that way, and may
Speaker 2: God bless these now found souls.
Speaker 1: So one of the weirder things to read about is
Speaker 1: all the ways people plan to try to bring the
Speaker 1: Titanic back up to the surface. And some of the
Speaker 1: weird ones that I just jotted down here are. One
Speaker 1: was filling polyester bags with vasilene, and the idea here
Speaker 1: is that vasolene would harden then become buoyant, and that
Speaker 1: that would somehow lift the Titanic. Another one was filling
Speaker 1: the whole of the ship with thousands of ping pong balls,
Speaker 1: And then another one is in case the ship in ice,
Speaker 1: which would basically be the equivalent of creating a big
Speaker 1: ice cube. And a drink, and that we all know
Speaker 1: what happens with ice cubes and a drink. They float.
Speaker 1: So these were all brilliant ideas, but somehow none of
Speaker 1: these ideas came to life.
Speaker 2: So back in eighteen eighty six, the writer William T.
Speaker 2: Stead wrote a fictional piece about a mail steamer wrecking
Speaker 2: and then most of his passengers dying because there weren't
Speaker 2: enough life boats. And in the story he pointed out
Speaker 2: the fact that there really lacks regulations didn't require ships
Speaker 2: to have enough lifeboats for every person on the ship.
Speaker 2: Just a few years later, Steed came back to his
Speaker 2: theme and wrote about a ship crashing into ice. And
Speaker 2: then we fast forward a couple decades and one of
Speaker 2: the passengers who died in the Titanic tragedy was none
Speaker 2: other than Steed, and he did so because there weren't
Speaker 2: enough life boats on board. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, we talked about this before, about how anytime there's
Speaker 1: a disaster like this, lots of people claim that they
Speaker 1: were almost a part of it. But there's actually one
Speaker 1: famous person that has pretty good proof of this. It
Speaker 1: turns out that Milton Snavely Hershey, you know, the man
Speaker 1: behind the legendary chocolate brand, things like Hershey's Kisses, Hersey's
Speaker 1: Chocolate Bars. Do you need me to give more examples,
Speaker 1: Mango or you to deal with Hershey? Yeah? Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: he was scheduled to be on the ship. So if
Speaker 1: you head to Hershey, Pennsylvania and visit the community archives there,
Speaker 1: you can see a three hundred dollars check that Hershey
Speaker 1: had written to the White Star Line and it's believed
Speaker 1: to be a deposit tour a state room. But it
Speaker 1: turns out that he had more urgent business back in
Speaker 1: the States, and so Hershey and his wife took an
Speaker 1: earliership the America, which strangely was one of the mini
Speaker 1: ships that sent back warnings to the Titanic.
Speaker 2: You know the iconic scene in the movie Titanic where
Speaker 2: Rose is lying on the driftwood and staring up at
Speaker 2: the sky. Right, So Neil deGrasse Tyson apparently saw the
Speaker 2: scene and decided to send a note to James Cameron
Speaker 2: to point out that the star Rose was looking up
Speaker 2: at wouldn't have actually been the one she would have
Speaker 2: seen at that real place in time. The only issue
Speaker 2: is that Tyson didn't see this movie until about a
Speaker 2: decade after its initial release, but Cameron is such a
Speaker 2: perfectionist that he decided to reshoot the scene in preparation
Speaker 2: for the release of the three D edition.
Speaker 1: So more than a decade later. That's pretty wild and
Speaker 1: also pretty impressive that we made it near the end
Speaker 1: of the fact off before we really did a fact
Speaker 1: about the movie. Yeah, that impress all right, Well, we
Speaker 1: all know that the Titanic sunk after Kali with an iceberg,
Speaker 1: but some believe that there was a massive coal fire
Speaker 1: in the bunker of the ship that actually caused significant
Speaker 1: structural weakening of the outside of the ship. Now, journalist
Speaker 1: sin And Maloney has been researching this subject for decades now,
Speaker 1: and he points to these photographs of the Titanic right
Speaker 1: before its final trip, and the photos show this huge
Speaker 1: black mark on the hull of the ship, which is
Speaker 1: of course where the ship would later hit the iceberg. Now,
Speaker 1: Maloney also believes that the owners of the Titanic were
Speaker 1: well aware of this damage, but not wanting to delay
Speaker 1: a trip which would of course cost them a bunch
Speaker 1: of money, they decided to just ignore it. Now, I
Speaker 1: should note that many engineers looking at the situation have
Speaker 1: said it's difficult to tell how much that prior damage
Speaker 1: really contributed to the disaster. It may have all happened anyway,
Speaker 1: but it's still pretty interesting to look at this theory.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is crazy that their conspiracy theories about
Speaker 2: the Titanic. It's pretty fascinating. So there's a restaurant near
Speaker 2: Halifax Harbor. It's the seafood place, is called Five Fishermen Restaurant,
Speaker 2: and it's supposedly a fantastic restaurant, but it's got a
Speaker 2: strange claim to fame. It was actually an old mortuary,
Speaker 2: the city's oldest. In fact, it was called Snow and
Speaker 2: Company undertakers, and it received the bodies of not just one,
Speaker 2: but two major tragedies in the early nineteen hundreds. It
Speaker 2: turns out that Halifax was the base of many of
Speaker 2: the rescue operations, and many of the bodies from the
Speaker 2: Titanic disaster were brought to Snow's funeral home. And then
Speaker 2: five years later, when the Halifax explosion took place, it
Speaker 2: was the largest human made explosion in history at the time,
Speaker 2: many of the bodies were once again brought to Snow
Speaker 2: and Company.
Speaker 1: Wow, such a weird coincidence. And you said it's a
Speaker 1: seafood place now it is.
Speaker 2: And while I do like that fact, I think your
Speaker 2: ping pong ball ice cube fact lifting the Titanic is
Speaker 2: probably the happiest one of the lots. I think you
Speaker 2: deserved the prize this week.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, and hopefully one day they will try
Speaker 1: all of those at one time. It was just great
Speaker 1: rising of the ship. But you know, it's been interesting
Speaker 1: to dive into this one. I know there are facts
Speaker 1: out there that we certainly left out. We always love
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