Speaker 1: Warning today's episode Kata's spoilers for X Men ninety seven
Speaker 1: Season two, episode four. Hello, my name is Jason kickups
Speaker 1: you an, I'm Rosie Nike and welcome back to Extras
Speaker 1: the podcast. We have dB rabis, Bob got our podcast?
Speaker 1: Where bring you?
Speaker 2: Plus in today's episode, Guess Who's back?
Speaker 3: And Sabana again.
Speaker 2: It is the second part of Rise of the Apocalypse.
Speaker 2: There's lots of twists and turns here, guys, So we
Speaker 2: are gonna be covering all the bits and bobs that happen,
Speaker 2: and then we'll be asking questions about what this means
Speaker 2: for the rest of the sea. Because this is episode
Speaker 2: four and there are five episodes left.
Speaker 1: We open up on episode four with Magnino trying to
Speaker 1: tell everybody, hey, listen, chill out, chill out. Nor can
Speaker 1: he can still be a good guy. I'd like, let's
Speaker 1: not fly off the handle about him. Professor X is
Speaker 1: still trying to reason with him. This is all in
Speaker 1: the in the wake of the various reveals that the
Speaker 1: X Men and Magneto and Professor X have all been
Speaker 1: lying then sabur about everything's been going on, plus the
Speaker 1: fact that Bab is now dead and there's been an
Speaker 1: attack and Bishop is out here shooting people. What's going on.
Speaker 3: He's not loving.
Speaker 2: He's not loving the fact that they wanted the rama
Speaker 2: tat technology.
Speaker 3: He's not loving that.
Speaker 2: They were scheming behind his back. I don't really know
Speaker 2: why Magneo didn't tell him that, honestly, because he was
Speaker 2: doing quite a good job connecting with him.
Speaker 3: But yes, that is where they are, and it's not
Speaker 3: going well.
Speaker 2: It's definitely causing cracks in our most beloved team.
Speaker 1: So the you know, the the argument, the pro Magneto
Speaker 1: argument is like everything could be different if we get
Speaker 1: Apocalypse as a good guy, Like maybe hey, maybe none
Speaker 1: of our loved ones die in the various conflicts that
Speaker 1: pop off because mutants are an oppressed minority. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe genocious survives. And Rogue is like interested in this.
Speaker 2: I also think, like it's not really saying it, but
Speaker 2: I love that the implication is here.
Speaker 3: Also, like maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2: Like in his mind, he's like he's thinking it's about mutants,
Speaker 2: but this is like we're talking about ancient Egypt, so
Speaker 2: we don't know the things that Apocalypse would change, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's the problem is like, it's such a huge choice.
Speaker 2: But I understand what Eric is saying. It's just really
Speaker 2: funny that he is the one who is believing this.
Speaker 3: It's so so much of a switch.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because my read on it
Speaker 1: is that Eric believes it because he knows in a future,
Speaker 1: in a timeline with the apocalypse, with apocalypse and the
Speaker 1: x Men as allies, he would never let the Holocaust
Speaker 1: and other things happen, like Magneto would actively do. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like we all live together, la la la,
Speaker 1: hand in hand. I think Magneto is thinking mutant supremacy
Speaker 1: if we.
Speaker 2: Have yeah, and he's like, and if we had that,
Speaker 2: then I wouldn't let these things happen.
Speaker 3: That's a great read.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think that's app But he's trying to appeal
Speaker 2: to it in a very child's examli which I think
Speaker 2: is funny.
Speaker 1: Yes, and again, as we said last episode, it's a
Speaker 1: really fun inversion of the typical yeah, Charles.
Speaker 2: Also very cheeky, very cheeky of Eric to invoke Genosha
Speaker 2: knowing that it would get his ex girlfriend about her ex.
Speaker 3: That's so throuppily. He's like, you know, maybe.
Speaker 2: Genosha could come back, what would that be like? Like
Speaker 2: would Gambit be alive? Like maybe we could have a threesome.
Speaker 3: Like calm down, Calm down Za.
Speaker 1: So Charles is trying to chill out Apocalypse about all
Speaker 1: the things that he's you know, come to realize in
Speaker 1: the last few hours. He does a psychoprobe. He sees
Speaker 1: bad Sabnur's entire like history as a slave, and the
Speaker 1: stars calling to him as Apocalypse and the voice of
Speaker 1: ess On. Okay, you think there's a gone.
Speaker 3: Weird before you thought it was weird before. Now it's weird.
Speaker 1: Es On the searcher crazy. I mean, should we talk
Speaker 1: about this now or later? We'll talk about it later.
Speaker 2: Well, so we can talk about Alea. But just know
Speaker 2: this is like a crazy pullem. When we talk about
Speaker 2: it's gonna sound even crazy, and then it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna sound insane. So this is a this is a wild,
Speaker 1: wild reveal. All of which is to say they are
Speaker 1: doing the actual kind of it's a re mix of
Speaker 1: the comics Apocalypse origin. Basically, they're doing it. They're just
Speaker 1: kind of mixing up a few details.
Speaker 3: And bringing in little different tastes.
Speaker 2: So like the him being an enslaved kid is like
Speaker 2: a really big part of some parts of the laws.
Speaker 3: So like sprinkling that and so you know that.
Speaker 2: That app It's like, yeah, it's like a I guess
Speaker 2: the greatest hits of his of his origins.
Speaker 1: So the X Men and Sabur follow this voice, following
Speaker 1: the constellation from which the Essan's voice came from, and
Speaker 1: they reach a secret temple that night. Rogue sits by
Speaker 1: the fire and North cots to speak with her, and
Speaker 1: she's like, let me tell you about my ex boyfriend, Gambit.
Speaker 1: He's dead. He died heroically. Ner is like, Bit, I
Speaker 1: never I've never been in love. I've never known anything
Speaker 1: but trauma. Love is pain and it's a weakness I
Speaker 1: can't afford.
Speaker 4: Crazy, crazy, crazy sad boy Apocalypse, Like the memes are
Speaker 4: going to be so crazy for this scene, like just
Speaker 4: sitting by the fire with Apocalypse telling and he's like,
Speaker 4: life's pain.
Speaker 3: I can't afford to love. But Rogue's been in love.
Speaker 3: So what does she say, Jason?
Speaker 1: She says, and the only thing that makes worth life
Speaker 1: worth living. It may made me feel like this is
Speaker 1: exactly Rogue's type.
Speaker 2: By the way, I was having the same I was like,
Speaker 2: the fan not will be fanning and the ships will
Speaker 2: be sailing.
Speaker 1: Like extremely traumatized man that is, and he's very hunky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she likes a traumatized man with an insane law.
Speaker 3: So he's really.
Speaker 1: The Pharaoh enters Xavior's mind and tries to tempt him
Speaker 1: with knowledge of the Sacred Temple. Charles meets Trauma Tut
Speaker 1: on the psychic plane and reveals that in fact, he
Speaker 1: is Kang, a version of kan.
Speaker 3: Oh what we called it, by the way, I mean,
Speaker 3: no surprises that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to just just a touch on this, Jason,
Speaker 2: how do you feel like this kind of lands? But
Speaker 2: because we were saying that something really interesting before we
Speaker 2: came on the show was like Ian was kind of saying,
Speaker 2: that's kind of crazy, right for them to just be
Speaker 2: like Kang, you know, after everything we know and how
Speaker 2: much of a big character is and stuff.
Speaker 3: So obviously even though.
Speaker 2: You knew it, how did it feel for it to
Speaker 2: just happen straight away and not be some slow burned thing.
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of as a comics fan, I
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, do you wonder how Yeah? I do
Speaker 1: wonder how it lands for other people, But it is
Speaker 1: one of those things where listen, it lands. But like
Speaker 1: we said, you know, for me, King has always been
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put him in my top five MC.
Speaker 3: You know Marvel, No, no, no, no, no, he's a weird o.
Speaker 3: Deep he's a weirdo.
Speaker 1: He's he's a he is like a Deis X mocking
Speaker 1: a character just anywhere, be anything. And in that sense,
Speaker 1: he's never really landed for me in the way that
Speaker 1: like Ultron or Fanos or doom Do who have you
Speaker 1: understand them as characters that there's so many Kangs, then
Speaker 1: it's hard to get your kind of at least for me,
Speaker 1: it's hard to get my eyes him as a character.
Speaker 2: Well also, I think people forget that before he was
Speaker 2: going to be in the movie. I mean I bought
Speaker 2: the first three appearances of Kang, including the Council of Kangs.
Speaker 3: I bought them for a dollar each.
Speaker 2: In It's Crazy back Iss You've bin in Philadelphia at
Speaker 2: I think it was. It's a really wonderful shop there.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it's called. It's like up a
Speaker 2: flight of stairs. It was crazy. But that was one
Speaker 2: of those places where I was like, oh, copesetic comics,
Speaker 2: that's what it's called and and then like months later
Speaker 2: they were like hundreds of dollar books. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's so and they're just Avengers issues like it's and
Speaker 2: random and that's like he was that deep cut.
Speaker 3: So I think you make a good point.
Speaker 2: I think that is why them actually doing it this
Speaker 2: way and just making it kind of cash is smart
Speaker 2: because actually, if you're a casual fan, now, if you
Speaker 2: google Kang the konkra oh, you'll go and revisit Loki. Oh,
Speaker 2: You'll go and revisit you know, Aman in the West Pontomania,
Speaker 2: and you'll be like, oh, that's the same character. Interesting,
Speaker 2: and that's probably all they want fans to do.
Speaker 3: And that's like it, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I think that's right. So Rama tut Aka Kang
Speaker 1: basically reveals to Xavier that what he wants to do
Speaker 1: is take Apocalypse off the board and seize his power
Speaker 1: for himself, just make himself more powerful without the threat
Speaker 1: of clips hanging over him. Xavier, however, will not betray Magneto,
Speaker 1: and so Rama tut is like, well, you'll see what
Speaker 1: will happen if you don't let me kill and Sabor.
Speaker 1: You won't be able to stop him. He is too powerful.
Speaker 1: You can't there is no timeline where you ever defeat him.
Speaker 2: He's basically like, you cannot stop him. You never stop
Speaker 2: him because he's seen all timelines, right, And it's a
Speaker 2: really great line. And then it's a really great, like
Speaker 2: repeated kind of evocative moment that that end of the
Speaker 2: episode two.
Speaker 1: The X Men approach to Temple. Yeast acknowledges that there
Speaker 1: are gamma particles in the temple and that it's somehow alien,
Speaker 1: but also seems like humans built it, so it's very
Speaker 1: very weird. There are structures that seem to suggest celestials.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some kind of like celestial lestial type stuff, which
Speaker 2: makes sense because that is in the.
Speaker 1: Lore of Message and Bats. Magnetos is like, let's split up.
Speaker 3: He's like, come on, my guys.
Speaker 1: Nor goes with Charles and Bishop. The X Men go
Speaker 1: after the hardware the power supplies inside the temple so
Speaker 1: they can repair their time bands and return to their timeline.
Speaker 1: Beast recognizes the ship. It's the structure they are in.
Speaker 1: Is not a temple as such. It is ship, something
Speaker 1: called ship. It is the spacecraft of Apocalypse, and it
Speaker 1: is a sentient spaceship in its own right, with its
Speaker 1: own kind of intelligence and powers and technology. It's like
Speaker 1: a character in its own right.
Speaker 2: Is it when we're seeing this version of ship, Like,
Speaker 2: is this going to be the same version of Shipate
Speaker 2: that Nathan Summers eventually ends up with.
Speaker 3: I think it is right.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is really fucking cool because of the way
Speaker 2: they're telling both stories at the same time.
Speaker 3: I didn't expect to get to see that, and.
Speaker 2: When they did this reveal this is a very again,
Speaker 2: this is a very like dense episode. I don't think
Speaker 2: these two necessarily land in exactly the way that the
Speaker 2: first two did for me, but I do love the
Speaker 2: way that they're kind of using the timeline and the
Speaker 2: time slip to be able to tell stories at times
Speaker 2: when they're more evocative of each other rather than you know,
Speaker 2: the months or weeks or years between storyline.
Speaker 1: I do wish there would have been some sort of
Speaker 1: like previously on something that would have underline the fact
Speaker 1: that Cable will like that Nathan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels kind of great get.
Speaker 1: His full Cable powers from ship and this is the
Speaker 1: same ship that these X men are now in in
Speaker 1: the ancient ancient, ancient, okay, Egyptian past.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the reason that they're not doing
Speaker 2: that is because for some people they might not have
Speaker 2: realized yeah, and they want it to be like a
Speaker 2: shocking reveal or not shocking reveal, maybe like it's just
Speaker 2: like a slow burn reveal, or you think it's just
Speaker 2: not that important to them.
Speaker 1: I think I think it might be that the thought
Speaker 1: is that bringing attention to it just makes it a
Speaker 1: little bit more confusing. Considering how timeline any confusing things
Speaker 1: are in.
Speaker 3: This story a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Ner feels drawn by the greater forces all around him.
Speaker 1: He sees hieroglyphs of the X Men helping Apocalypse rise
Speaker 1: to power. It's basically his story written on the walls
Speaker 1: all around the room, and Nerve then figures out the
Speaker 1: truth that the X Men didn't come to help him.
Speaker 1: They actually came to stop him from achieving his full power.
Speaker 1: So now he's really fucking man. He easily defeats Bishop,
Speaker 1: goes up to the shrine. Professor X tries to be like, no,
Speaker 1: don't become all powerful. It's like actually a really bad idea.
Speaker 3: Tell you, yeah, yeah, yeah, we could have just not
Speaker 3: lied to you.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Ner is like, no, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: The X Men try to fight him to stop Apocalypse
Speaker 1: from becoming Apocalypse. He easily defeats them all. He goes
Speaker 1: to ascend Essan. Now the voice rings out and speaks
Speaker 1: directly to Ner. You will be the end of things,
Speaker 1: he says, and so all creation must crash against the
Speaker 1: eternal Shore in order to thrive and grow. And he
Speaker 1: offers Ner the power if he says the following words,
Speaker 1: I am the rocks of the Eternal Shore crash against me,
Speaker 1: and be Brooke Beast arrives and he was able to
Speaker 1: fix the time bands. But the X Men are like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, do we.
Speaker 3: Stop he leave? Do he just like leave or do.
Speaker 2: He try likely like this is going to be the
Speaker 2: end of the world, Like.
Speaker 1: I don't know, my you know, personally, I feel like
Speaker 1: you didn't stop it originally, like you're just watching something
Speaker 1: that already happened, So just leave. Apocalypse does become apocalypse.
Speaker 3: And that's true.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, does is this like a is
Speaker 2: this like one of those Indiana Jones situations where it's
Speaker 2: like if they weren't there, it wouldn't have impacted it
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: Rather than them being there being the reason this happened.
Speaker 2: It's like that Indiana Jones type situation where it's like, actually,
Speaker 2: the Nazis would have always got the box, it just
Speaker 2: would have taken them a bit longer to get burnt
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: So Magneto uses his power to put the time bands
Speaker 1: on the X men, you know, basically allowing them to leave,
Speaker 1: and he will stay behind and try and you know,
Speaker 1: fix this whole apocalypseing. Apocalypse is now fully powered, and
Speaker 1: he asks Ship to take him to Rama Tuts Kingdom
Speaker 1: so he can destroy it. Magneto is like, no, don't.
Speaker 5: Yo, don't know how, don't you have to tell you?
Speaker 5: Don't do it good idea violence, it's it's so terrible
Speaker 5: and being like all powerful, it's very very bad. And
Speaker 5: Apocalypse attacks Magneto, but it is revealed that Professor X
Speaker 5: also stayed behind, and now the two team up.
Speaker 3: Oh litle boyfriend, boyfriend boyfriend.
Speaker 1: The two team up to try and defeed Apocalypse. Magneto
Speaker 1: sends Charles to stop the attack on Rama Tut while
Speaker 1: Maggniho himself goes toe to tote with Apocalypse. Now, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. You're right back after this, and
Speaker 1: I will say, let me just quickly say, before we
Speaker 1: go to break, I think this teaming up of Charles
Speaker 1: and Magneto can create onslaught. I think this is yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah correct. I think this is perhaps how onslaught
Speaker 1: correct will come to enter our story. Let's go to break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back. Rama Tut decides that Okay, this world's getting
Speaker 1: a little too dangerous and I've had a good run
Speaker 1: here in ancient Egypt for like a long long time,
Speaker 1: but now and I'm not gonna be able to steal
Speaker 1: Apocalypse's power, so let me put my Kang stuff on
Speaker 1: and just like get out of here. Yeah, hang out.
Speaker 1: His his attendant is like, Rama Tut, no, your destiny.
Speaker 1: We could stay like, don't do it. But whatever he leaves,
Speaker 1: Apocalypse easily defeats Professor X's psychic attacks and Ordership to
Speaker 1: destroy Rama Tut city. Apocalypse is like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: make Charles Xavier into a horseman. That's going to be
Speaker 1: really cool. He's like trying to figure out which one
Speaker 1: is gonna be war He's gonna be pestiling.
Speaker 3: Yea, which be most evil to make him?
Speaker 1: But then Magneto launches his final attack, overwhelming Apocalypse with
Speaker 1: you know a storm of metal. Together, Magneto and Xavier
Speaker 1: stop the ship's attack. Magneto uses his magnetism to stop
Speaker 1: the black hole destroy everything, but Exavier warns him like
Speaker 1: you'll die in the process. Magneto engulfs this the black
Speaker 1: hole force in a magnetic force field and sends Charles
Speaker 1: away before he can like be like die in the
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: What is this crazy bro some real boyfriend saving behavior.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that they're going to do this to us.
Speaker 2: I mean I can, it makes sense, but I can't
Speaker 2: believe they're going to do it to us.
Speaker 1: So basically, Charles can do nothing about what's happening. He
Speaker 1: sees Magneto struggling with this black hole and Apocalypse you know,
Speaker 1: coming toward him. Apocalypse disintegrates Magneto easily, like in a sect,
Speaker 1: like in a way flick of the finger, and then
Speaker 1: tosses the helmet to Xavier. Xavier like tries to you know,
Speaker 1: reason bas with Apocalypse. Apocalypse is not listening. He's like
Speaker 1: only a coward feels mighty when stepping on ants. He says,
Speaker 1: basically saying like this is your best guy, Like I
Speaker 1: crushed like.
Speaker 3: Fucking Kaz like this doesn't make me feel and.
Speaker 1: This doesn't I feel nothing when I do.
Speaker 2: It's the street fight a line, right, my visit to
Speaker 2: your village was the most important day of your life,
Speaker 2: but to me it was just a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Bishop arrives to take Exavier home with the Time Bands,
Speaker 1: and you know, they basically realize that Kang is Kang
Speaker 1: is right, like they are never they have never beaten
Speaker 1: Apocalypse and they will never beat Apocalypse, or at least
Speaker 1: that's how they feel now. He Apocalypse leaves Xavier alive
Speaker 1: because he's like, it's honestly, you're not what It too
Speaker 1: devastating for the story right now for me to kill
Speaker 1: you and also it is not even worth my power, but.
Speaker 3: Really it's a good one. Is just crazy, like it
Speaker 3: would be stablished.
Speaker 2: They haven't established enough space if a storman Scott to
Speaker 2: have the fight and everything like yeah, that guy is
Speaker 2: like no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: We can't. We certainly can't kill you without several X
Speaker 1: men watching and for them to be traumatized by it
Speaker 1: for you or seventh time die.
Speaker 2: Oh can't see it and what's the point, right, Like
Speaker 2: the saddest thing is when they see each other die.
Speaker 2: So this is just Eric's timon tenant cycle of their relationship.
Speaker 1: So we get a post credit scene. It is Wolverine,
Speaker 1: Captain America, and Black Widow. They are on some Weapon
Speaker 1: X type mission. Captain America warns Logan that going after
Speaker 1: WEAPONX alone is going to be you know, very very dangerous.
Speaker 1: But Logan is like, I'm not alone. I have a crew,
Speaker 1: and you might say I'm getting Let's put a than that,
Speaker 1: take a break, come back to discuss this episode, and
Speaker 1: we are back. Let's start at the beginning. The immediate
Speaker 1: thing I thought when Wolverine said that he's got a
Speaker 1: band back together is that we're going to see him
Speaker 1: teamed up with you know, Cable and maybe Deadpool and
Speaker 1: a weapon basically like like I like, I like maybe
Speaker 1: saber Tooth.
Speaker 2: You know that, Like you know that that's a really
Speaker 2: cool that's a really cool read.
Speaker 1: But what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, my mind, obviously, I'm just like a terrible like
Speaker 2: ship fiend.
Speaker 3: So my mind was like, oh, well, Scott and Gene.
Speaker 2: Had to go back, right they got back, So maybe
Speaker 2: like maybe there's a version where he's gonna call on
Speaker 2: his old his old besties if they could join. But
Speaker 2: I think an animated Deadpool in this would be a
Speaker 2: huge win for them, and we have seen them do
Speaker 2: multiple different teams.
Speaker 3: So far, so I love that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jason, though, the thing is, where do you think
Speaker 2: that tease actually leads? Like, because is that teasing us
Speaker 2: into the next episode? Are we gonna get episode five
Speaker 2: bottle episode that kind of changes the game of the
Speaker 2: season because this is obviously the post apocalypse kind of
Speaker 2: storyline we're heading into now. And if you think about
Speaker 2: the way that the last story was told, where five
Speaker 2: was that huge Genosha episode, I wonder if this is
Speaker 2: gonna follow these characters for a little bit or do
Speaker 2: you think that we're gonna go back to that main
Speaker 2: X Men story and this will pay off later.
Speaker 1: I've won, you know, I I think you have to
Speaker 1: continue this, right, I think it's right. It would be
Speaker 1: too juicy, it's too juicy and too dense, but I
Speaker 1: do it does seem like a very very hard stop.
Speaker 1: So episode so five title is apparently WEAPONX Lies and DVDs,
Speaker 1: So I think we are going to delve into the
Speaker 1: history of how Logan became Wolverine, the experiments that were
Speaker 1: done on him, which were covered in the original X
Speaker 1: Men the animated series, but maybe we're gonna go do
Speaker 1: it in a deeper way this time.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm trying to wonder, because I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: the way that they like to do like miniarcs here
Speaker 2: and stuff. So I wonder if maybe instead it's gonna
Speaker 2: be Wolverine going to get Laura Kinney or something. And
Speaker 2: we've seen her before, you know, I think she's an evolution,
Speaker 2: I think or something. So there are versions of X
Speaker 2: twenty three who have been animated perhaps if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: But if not, I mean, wouldn't we want to see it?
Speaker 3: I mean, this.
Speaker 2: Would be so badass? And I do think that, Like
Speaker 2: you said, imagine if it's like the first gen of
Speaker 2: well it's the tenth gen. But if it's the Weapon X,
Speaker 2: like Gen one who survived, like you have him, you
Speaker 2: have dead Pool, you want to bring in Sabertooth, and
Speaker 2: they could be going to like stop Gen X from still.
Speaker 3: Doing the work.
Speaker 1: I just looked this up because Okay, it rang a
Speaker 1: bell and I'm right, So they did kind of cover
Speaker 1: this ground in the animated series. Season four of X Men,
Speaker 1: the Animated series, episode something was titled WEAPONX Lies and videotape.
Speaker 1: So this is an update of the title.
Speaker 3: Just a good.
Speaker 1: That episode was the big like weapon X conspiracy flashback
Speaker 1: that had Maverick, that had Sabertooth and silber Fox, and
Speaker 1: you had the whole team X thing, So.
Speaker 3: Makes sense that it would be that whole team then
Speaker 3: a right.
Speaker 1: So yes, Sabertooth was Aaron is asking saber tooth. Yes,
Speaker 1: Sabertooth was involved in that. This was when this is
Speaker 1: the flashback to when you know, uh, Maverick, Sabertooth, and
Speaker 1: Logan were all on the same team wearing that fucking
Speaker 1: dorky weaponary like the.
Speaker 3: Cova fucking ugly ash it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like I don't know who it was in
Speaker 2: the animated series, but in the comics that was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you had silver Fox. That was an anime masted on
Speaker 2: like real weird characters castrol.
Speaker 1: So in that episode, that episode was about Logan untangling
Speaker 1: his like manufactured memories, like discovering which of the memories
Speaker 1: that he has were implanted and which were fake, which
Speaker 1: is kind of a thing that they've That was a big,
Speaker 1: big thing in the nineties was Wolverine's like tattered memory
Speaker 1: and how much was he really was he really you
Speaker 1: have to understand, like during this period through the eighties
Speaker 1: and into the nineties, Wolverine didn't know who he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also he was in like two hundred comics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no history of Wolverine, Like he didn't
Speaker 1: having it back.
Speaker 3: We were discovering it alongside him. It was truly like
Speaker 3: a slow burm mystery.
Speaker 1: Slow burn over many many years, which was really cool.
Speaker 1: So now my question is clearly this is going to
Speaker 1: be a remix now of the weapon X storylines as
Speaker 1: depicted in X Men, the animated series, But like how
Speaker 1: I wonder how different or how I know, I'm like
Speaker 1: most similar it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Most of this show has been very like responsive.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's been about you know, the first
Speaker 2: season was very much about reclamation of the X Men
Speaker 2: as like a radical force and like reinstating those things
Speaker 2: that were there in the eighties, and it was responding
Speaker 2: to ninety seven, but it was doing stuff that was
Speaker 2: completely original. So I wonder if the DVDs thing is
Speaker 2: going to give them a chance to save Laura Kinney
Speaker 2: or some new generation of new mutants or something. This
Speaker 2: could also potentially be connected to the different kind of
Speaker 2: ways we've seen Val Cooper and the American government currently
Speaker 2: imprisoning kids, So I think that there's ways that they
Speaker 2: could connect it back. But I kind of like the
Speaker 2: implication that, you know, it's the year nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 2: and somebody gets a DVD of like kids in these
Speaker 2: fucked up you know, Weapon X programs and Wolverine puts
Speaker 2: together the team to go and break them out. Like
Speaker 2: that sounds like something I'd want to see, And I
Speaker 2: think it could be an interesting way to add another
Speaker 2: person to the team because they're definitely broadening out the
Speaker 2: cost like massively.
Speaker 1: This is and this would be one difference from the
Speaker 1: animated series version was this would be bone closes, this
Speaker 1: would be non adamantium wolver that clause. This is post
Speaker 1: having his medal ripped out by by Magneto. So how
Speaker 1: does that affect the mission going forward? And one wonders
Speaker 1: if you're going to see that original like WEAPONX team
Speaker 1: ex Team Mavericks, Silver Fox, uh Sabertooth and Logan and
Speaker 1: maybe Weapon you know, like Okat Broader Weapon plus, Like
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: That Weapon plus LG It's like it's like lgbt q
Speaker 2: I A and never get well definitely like Weapon plus,
Speaker 2: but it's it's like, also, if you if you can,
Speaker 2: don't have enough money.
Speaker 3: Just get weapon with ads.
Speaker 2: You know, it's fine, Like but okay, So Aaron asked
Speaker 2: a really good question in the chat. Is he going
Speaker 2: back to Weapon X to get the adamantium added back
Speaker 2: because he knows about the threat of apocalypse or he
Speaker 2: wants to do whatever else? Like is where he's doing that?
Speaker 1: That's interesting? There could be a there might remember when
Speaker 1: Sabertooth got the adamantium. I wonder if there's like a
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's like a team up and betrayal
Speaker 1: thing possibly happening where it's like Logan is like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's get payback on the guys that did this to us.
Speaker 1: I know we hate each other, but and also secretly
Speaker 1: I want my adamantium back, and then saber Tooths like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get the Weapon X. Guys totally like this, it'd
Speaker 1: be great, and then at the end betrays him like
Speaker 1: I'm taking them.
Speaker 2: That's really a great idea. I also would be interested.
Speaker 2: This is just me wish for thinking. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's also a version where he's had that shit ripped out.
Speaker 2: So now he wants a magne a metal put on
Speaker 2: him that you know they can't rip out of him,
Speaker 2: like a little bit of vibranium a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, little bit of vibranium bones. We'd love to see it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I actually love that read. I think that's
Speaker 2: really interesting. I'm just that I don't think that this
Speaker 2: is a compliment to the show that the post credits
Speaker 2: seen is more exciting than the episode. But I do
Speaker 2: think it's true well, and I think I don't think
Speaker 2: it's like a problem necessarily with the two parts as
Speaker 2: a whole, but I do think it's interesting that they
Speaker 2: didn't just choose to do episode one and two one week,
Speaker 2: an episode three and four another week.
Speaker 3: I feel like, just release this one as like a
Speaker 3: little hour long movie.
Speaker 1: It's been to this point a very fragmented season, and
Speaker 1: I think the thing that concerns me about how fragmented
Speaker 1: it is is this isn't this isn't X Men in
Speaker 1: the animated series era where we're gonna get twenty three
Speaker 1: no exactly.
Speaker 3: Exactly, there's nine episodes.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be nine, and that just feels like a
Speaker 1: lot to cover. If this depending on how like so
Speaker 1: let me ask you this weapon X lies and DVDs.
Speaker 1: Is this gonna be a one episode bottle breather? And
Speaker 1: then we go back to what I'm.
Speaker 2: Trying to work out. Okay, so let me ask you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you counter question that I think will
Speaker 2: help answer. Let's we put a pin in it early on,
Speaker 2: but let's talk about how you think this could set
Speaker 2: up Onslaught, because I think that's the other big question
Speaker 2: is like, is this gonna be a breather and then
Speaker 2: they're gonna try and do an Onslaught situation at the
Speaker 2: end or are they setting up Onslaught for season three?
Speaker 3: And I think is that too long? Almost?
Speaker 2: Like should they be? Do you think they can do
Speaker 2: a whole season three of Onslaught? Like where do you
Speaker 2: see them putting it in? Because it does feel like
Speaker 2: with Charles going through it the way he's going through it.
Speaker 1: I think that we will not. I think that Onslaught
Speaker 1: will be hinted at towards the end of the season
Speaker 1: and Okay, we'll be the major big bad of of
Speaker 1: season three.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I feel like.
Speaker 1: We have to get some kind of closure with Apocalypse
Speaker 1: over the past of this season, right, like you can't
Speaker 1: start this strongly at the very origin of Apocalypse end,
Speaker 1: the dystopian end of Apocalypse, with Cable becoming like the
Speaker 1: Chosen One and not like address the apocalypse piece head on.
Speaker 1: It would be too weird to like go away from
Speaker 1: it long time. Okay, don't you think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, no, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: So I'm going I'm going back to those good old
Speaker 2: titles that they recently released, so we have and don't
Speaker 2: listen if this kind of thing is not your if
Speaker 2: you're on inside baseball type person and you want to
Speaker 2: go fully in, but they have. Then we have Danger
Speaker 2: dot ex, which I have enough young nieces and nephews
Speaker 2: to guess that that will probably mean the Danger Room
Speaker 2: will become sentient and go evil, because.
Speaker 1: That's just by the way, that is class. That's that's
Speaker 1: astonishing X men. Now we're into the two thousand, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right, that's the.
Speaker 2: Case hypothetically so, and then we're going to have one
Speaker 2: called Strange Land Savage Heart, so we can imagine that
Speaker 2: that's going to be Savage Land, which we love. Then
Speaker 2: the Dead Man's Hand, which sounds very gambit coded. But
Speaker 2: the final episode is called Survival of the Fittest. So
Speaker 2: I think what we can assume is this is going
Speaker 2: to be a meandering situation. Maybe now that you've posed
Speaker 2: the Weapon X team, maybe every episode is kind of
Speaker 2: widening the group of X Men that we are going
Speaker 2: to get to the point where when we get to
Speaker 2: Apocalypse we see them defeat him because there are X
Speaker 2: Factor X Force, new Mutant, you know, Weapon X, Like
Speaker 2: every single mutant team is teamed up, and then when
Speaker 2: you think, oh, well we beat Apocalypse, isn't that great?
Speaker 2: Your teaser is onslaugh.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go through these one at a time
Speaker 1: and try to figure this out. Okay, so WEAPONX lies
Speaker 1: and DVD's I think we It does seem like through
Speaker 1: the log line that Wolverine and Morph are the team,
Speaker 1: along with a group of unlikely group of former rivals.
Speaker 1: So that's probably Sabertooth. Yeah, and I don't know who
Speaker 1: Maverick doesn't count, but like it may be Silver.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, Silver Fox or Mastodon or whoever they want
Speaker 2: to bring it.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, I want to say Morph, we know what
Speaker 3: that means.
Speaker 2: That also means that we could be seeing some other
Speaker 2: weird characters that Morph is just taking on their powers
Speaker 2: for a little bit, so I think they would exactly.
Speaker 1: So I think that we're right about basically what that is,
Speaker 1: which is like a remix of Wolverine Logan trying to
Speaker 1: get his mind right, just like we saw an X
Speaker 1: Men the animated series. Okay, danger ex So again, this
Speaker 1: to me reads as the danger storyline from Whedon and
Speaker 1: Cassidy's Astonishing X Men. This is from two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, in which the Danger Room comes alive and
Speaker 1: is basically like Charles Xavier, you knew I was alive.
Speaker 1: You caged me and ignored me, and I've been crying
Speaker 1: out for you to pay attention to me, and you
Speaker 1: didn't do it. You enslaved me to make me run
Speaker 1: all these simulations and now I'm fucking mad. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I know all the X Men's weaknesses, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to really make your life. Hell. I think
Speaker 1: that that's clearly what they're going to do for that, right,
Speaker 1: just pull that directly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they basically and they say that this is
Speaker 2: going to be Polaris returning to the X Mansion just
Speaker 2: as a new threat emerges on campus. So you can
Speaker 2: imagine this is going to be Polara's basically coming back.
Speaker 2: She's gonna save the day. She's probably gonna prove herself
Speaker 2: that she's no longer one of the corporate mutant cops.
Speaker 3: And I, yeah, well we'll get a really fun run
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 1: What I loved about this period of X writing, I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: you know, Joss Wheden whatever. I love thee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it had what it was like to be in
Speaker 3: the comic shop when it came out.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I loved about it despite all
Speaker 1: the delays, was that story about is that they figured
Speaker 1: out an even worst thing for Charles Exavier to do.
Speaker 1: Forget forget that he had you know, broken soldiers and
Speaker 1: created an army of child soldiers and then like created
Speaker 1: mental blocks. Not only that he knew that the Danger
Speaker 1: Room was sentient for years and.
Speaker 3: He just left it trapped.
Speaker 2: In that it could have been hanging out, it could
Speaker 2: have been he could have at least put an intercoms
Speaker 2: like communicate, like Danny the Street or something, and like,
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 1: Just kept her buried in there.
Speaker 3: So evil.
Speaker 2: Also, I love I love the danger Dot ex because also, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: internet kid culture is like very into this specific sonic
Speaker 2: ex meme where It's like a deep fried evil sonic,
Speaker 2: and so it got so popular that they had to
Speaker 2: make official Sonic dot Ex toys and it's kind of
Speaker 2: this red eyed evil sonic. And I love the notion
Speaker 2: that we're gonna get to see the DANGEROUM go evil, Jason,
Speaker 2: what do you have any predictions of any of the
Speaker 2: horrific stuff it's gonna do or show? Like, do you
Speaker 2: think there's any particular weaknesses it will it's gonna trap
Speaker 2: them in there, and I think it's gonna kind of
Speaker 2: pound them with like Genosha, bad shit happens.
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna appear as their dead loved ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Gambit's definitely gonna be there.
Speaker 1: It's gonna appear to Polaris as Magneto, who like, it's
Speaker 1: gonna do all those things, and then finally she'll take
Speaker 1: like physical form where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, which I can't wait for.
Speaker 1: Okay, Strange Land, Savage Heart clearly a Savage Land story. Okay,
Speaker 1: why are we going to the Savage And I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is a well established part of ex lore. Constant
Speaker 1: travels to the Savage Land.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they love to see a dinosaur.
Speaker 1: The prehistoric land that is under the Antarctic ice cap,
Speaker 1: So what is this gonna mean? The the log line
Speaker 1: is the X Men travel to the Savage Land and
Speaker 1: are surprised to encounter a familiar face. Is that Kazar?
Speaker 3: I also wonder.
Speaker 2: If that's just going to bring back already he's always that,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, imagine if it was sore On. He
Speaker 2: just wants to tub people into dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: By the way, not Lord of the Rings, and so
Speaker 1: like a terradact people, Pterodactyl will people into eve of
Speaker 1: dinosaurs instead of Krakatza. Is it Magneto something, because, like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking about the rogue Maganio connection for
Speaker 1: the he has amazed there what we know about it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's something where, you know, unintentionally his
Speaker 1: energy or his you know, he's his iron molecules when
Speaker 1: he was disintegrated, we're able to take him back. But
Speaker 1: I would say a couple of episodes without Magneto does
Speaker 1: seem a little short for impact. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: they are telling truncated type stories and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the person that we've all been waiting to come back,
Speaker 1: because I think that's the next episode. Do you mean Gambit.
Speaker 1: You don't think it's Gambit returning.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's Gambit returning in this episode because
Speaker 2: I think that the title of the next episode.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Let's let's go to the next episode,
Speaker 1: dead Man, the dead Man's Hand. The log line is
Speaker 1: the X Men confront a ghost from their past. So
Speaker 1: the dead man's hand is of course like a famous
Speaker 1: uh poker hand than while Bill Hilcock Hiccock was holding
Speaker 1: when he was shot in the back. And the card
Speaker 1: imagery very clearly I think points to Gambit, as you say,
Speaker 1: whose whole thing is turning playing cards into energy bombs?
Speaker 2: But I love that kind of that specific context you
Speaker 2: just gave there, which is what I always love about
Speaker 2: talking about this stuff. But like that is also very
Speaker 2: interesting to me because then I'm like, Okay, well what
Speaker 2: does that mean? Like is this representative of like is
Speaker 2: this actually Gambit? Or is this a version of Gambit
Speaker 2: that's coming back to blame them for their past?
Speaker 3: Like is this gonna be zombie Gambit? Like is zombie?
Speaker 3: Is this gonna be Gambit?
Speaker 2: The Horseman, which is I think something people had wondered about.
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be Magne. Oh, the Horseman.
Speaker 2: I doubt that one, but I think it would be
Speaker 2: what do you say.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean the producers have said that that
Speaker 1: mister le Beau would continue to have a big impact,
Speaker 1: so it certainly points to him returning. Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: wonder if he can't just come back and it's okay.
Speaker 3: No, it's gonna have to be traumatizing.
Speaker 1: Which makes me wonder if Sinister was depowered. But what
Speaker 1: does that mean? Like, he this is a guy who
Speaker 1: would have like multiple clones of himself, like waiting in
Speaker 1: the wings, and I do and he's unless like uploaded
Speaker 1: his memory to a computer and still be able to
Speaker 1: make clones and everything.
Speaker 3: You're so right, like, what does it even mean?
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if he's now working for a bad guy,
Speaker 1: and if the bad guy is either Sinister or if
Speaker 1: he becomes a horseman of apocalypse.
Speaker 2: The Gambit horseman thing has been one of the biggest
Speaker 2: kind of wants that people have had for a while,
Speaker 2: and I do think as well, right, that's I'm trying
Speaker 2: to work out. Maybe death I think it's a bit
Speaker 2: on the nose. But at the same time, in the
Speaker 2: comics Rogan Death have a really interesting connection, So that.
Speaker 3: Could be really cool. It could also be I think it.
Speaker 2: Could be quite heartbreaking to see him come back essentially
Speaker 2: as like War and just have him be weaponized by
Speaker 2: Apocalypse so he's not like that loving remy le Beau
Speaker 2: and then they have to kind of push him as
Speaker 2: a as a thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm interested.
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see where they'll go because they've changed
Speaker 2: stuff from the comics, Like they're very chill with kind
Speaker 2: of what they do adapt and what they don't adapt.
Speaker 2: But they've been pretty tight with Rise of Apocalypse, so
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he came back as.
Speaker 1: Death okay, and then finally Survival of the Fittest. Now,
Speaker 1: this and the log line is the X Men are
Speaker 1: pushed a limit when their past comes back to haunt them.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, that's literally Apocalypse's credo, that's his
Speaker 1: whole vibe. So this is where we would close the
Speaker 1: chapter on Apocalypse. Whatever that means.
Speaker 2: What do you think that looks like for this season
Speaker 2: if we look at what we're looking what we know
Speaker 2: about the other episodes, because that's kind of like, I
Speaker 2: feel like it's not going to go back to ancient Egypt,
Speaker 2: right like they did that. They're chopped up with that,
Speaker 2: like where do they face Apocalypse? I mean, it would
Speaker 2: be pretty cool if this ended on like New Year's
Speaker 2: Eve nineteen ninety nine or something, you know, like some
Speaker 2: real kind of like huge moment in history that kind
Speaker 2: of can play into the end of an era. But
Speaker 2: I'm interested to know if it's going to be very
Speaker 2: very on the mental plane. Is it gonna be a
Speaker 2: physical fight? Is it gonna have twenty five X Men?
Speaker 1: I bet it's gonna be a physical fight if I
Speaker 1: had to guess. Apocalypse now, understanding that the X Men
Speaker 1: tried to trick him into not becoming powerful, dedicates his
Speaker 1: life not only to like you know, surviving you know,
Speaker 1: evolution and evolution creating the strongest, but like destroying the
Speaker 1: X Men, and so then maybe he goes with the
Speaker 1: timeband technology. He goes early. He's a younger, less maybe
Speaker 1: slightly less capable version of himself, like not the you know,
Speaker 1: yeah thousand version, not the nineties version of Apocalypse, but
Speaker 1: like a slightly younger but you know, still very powerful,
Speaker 1: but not like as worldwise version of Apocalypse goes like
Speaker 1: straight to the nineties to try and defeat the X Men.
Speaker 3: And the teenage vibes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that, Like he almost like he doesn't
Speaker 2: wait it out long enough.
Speaker 1: And then maybe he fails somehow, But I'm not, oh sure, Hylan,
Speaker 1: this would be where Onslaught would would come into place.
Speaker 2: Would I would also say, I think that you're right there,
Speaker 2: because you know what, I think, if we look at
Speaker 2: their past comes back to haunt them.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's Apocalypse's whole vibe. He's a time guy.
Speaker 2: But who else is a time guy who's also in
Speaker 2: a different version of Apocalypse's ship.
Speaker 3: It's Nathan.
Speaker 2: So I think that the finale is gonna probably have
Speaker 2: Cable come in and save the day, or Cable's connection
Speaker 2: with ship at least all him to kind of control
Speaker 2: or connect with Apocalypse Ash. And also we haven't seen
Speaker 2: like full full crazy Cable in like after we've met
Speaker 2: him as Nathan, Like we've only seen the old version.
Speaker 2: We've seen Nathan, but we haven't really kind of seen
Speaker 2: we saw him start to get those powers.
Speaker 3: But I think this is going to be really cool.
Speaker 2: Could also be a very emotional moment, you know, with
Speaker 2: Scott and Jean kind of seeing their son fight Apocalypse
Speaker 2: become person that he was always meant to be. Could
Speaker 2: be interesting there if we also get some more Rachel moments.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I could see them bringing it home quite nicely,
Speaker 2: but I do worry about that fragmentation. I feel like
Speaker 2: episode five needs to feel like it's kinda it needs
Speaker 2: to feel like there's at least connective.
Speaker 3: Tissue where we can go.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, you know, even like the first season did
Speaker 2: some quite good stuff with like oh that was a documentary,
Speaker 2: or you were watching this on TV it was a
Speaker 2: news report, you know, I feel like we need a
Speaker 2: little bit more of that inconnected Where are all the
Speaker 2: X Men now?
Speaker 3: And that's because before we didn't know where they work?
Speaker 3: They were lost in time.
Speaker 2: Hopefully, I think five can kind of bring that home
Speaker 2: a bit before we start to deal with all this
Speaker 2: insane stuff that we just talked about.
Speaker 1: So former showrunner Bodomeo, Yeah, stated online, and so take
Speaker 1: this with whatever grain of salt you want to take it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're own serving of salt.
Speaker 1: That there was a tenth episode of the show, but
Speaker 1: that it was scrapped and in that tenth episode is
Speaker 1: where he would have introduced on slot for the tenth episode. Huh,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Does that mean we move on
Speaker 1: slot up? And why was it scrapped?
Speaker 2: He?
Speaker 3: Is it code with episode nine?
Speaker 2: Like? Is that?
Speaker 3: Why did they condense them?
Speaker 2: Or are they waiting for episode the next season which
Speaker 2: we've seen how the shows do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wonder why they pulled the episode, right,
Speaker 1: he must have. I don't know, too many like big
Speaker 1: swings that would have too many deaths. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: why do that?
Speaker 3: I'm I know, I'm very interested. I gotta know.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, Jason, it's absolutely crazy when you really
Speaker 2: think about it, how little we know about what.
Speaker 3: Went on with the Beau Deomeo of it all.
Speaker 2: Well, that's still go that EP credit here, like Anthony
Speaker 2: Bresna Khan write that book man, like we will read
Speaker 2: it like we.
Speaker 3: All need to know because it's one of the most
Speaker 3: unique hiring and firings of all time.
Speaker 2: And the fact that he is still out there just
Speaker 2: talking about the show of stuff and his name is
Speaker 2: still on it, and it seems like people accept that
Speaker 2: he is still creatively involved.
Speaker 3: It's so unique, it's so unusual.
Speaker 1: That's why it's hard to judge. He has been very
Speaker 1: forthcoming online about this stuff that happened, but it's also
Speaker 1: unclear like how much of that is true, how much
Speaker 1: of that his his own lens on events.
Speaker 2: Exactly, because Disney is not the kind of company that's
Speaker 2: just going to be doing like rebuttal letters constantly. You know,
Speaker 2: they say their thing and they tell you what they
Speaker 2: want and you do it or you don't do it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: But it's very interesting, Like he clearly never signed an
Speaker 2: NDA about the production at least. No, he's not in
Speaker 2: the season of the he's not in the show about
Speaker 2: the making of the first season, which was so weird
Speaker 2: when you watched it, right, so it's so unique.
Speaker 1: So he does He did go on to say that
Speaker 1: like his version, Marvel thought his version was too dark,
Speaker 1: which I guess would and he didn't mention like the
Speaker 1: that there would be an evil Cyclops in his version.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's you.
Speaker 3: Know, kind of like Basilisk goes like.
Speaker 1: A situation, so I you know, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I will say, weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very very weird. So clearly Onslaught was slated
Speaker 1: to appear, and certainly.
Speaker 2: And it's obviously being set up, like you clocked it
Speaker 2: Ian clock. It was a first thing both of you
Speaker 2: said to me immediately. It was like this is onslaught,
Speaker 2: Like definitely, so.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's going to be again the big bag.
Speaker 1: But how they end the Apocalypse storyline, I do not know.
Speaker 1: It's been right, it's been a very kind of It's
Speaker 1: been a season that has been lurching from storyline to storyline.
Speaker 1: One thing about season one is despite the fact that
Speaker 1: they did pull from very streamlinked, yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: through line that was very strong, and this has felt
Speaker 1: less that, although to be fair, we are only halfway through.
Speaker 2: This, and also I do I also want to say
Speaker 2: as well, like this is we are talking about this
Speaker 2: as an animated series in a way that we don't.
Speaker 3: Talk about a lot of other cartoons.
Speaker 2: Because the first season was really like an accessible smash
Speaker 2: it pressed h TV show, right. I think this almost
Speaker 2: suffers sort of from a Wicked for Good problem, which
Speaker 2: is like these stories are really really dense and weird,
Speaker 2: and it's like everyone knew that Wicked for Good was
Speaker 2: always going to kind of struggle because part two you
Speaker 2: have to just continue the thing.
Speaker 3: You can't tell your whole owned story.
Speaker 2: Whereas what they did that was so great with season
Speaker 2: one is if you'd never watched it or read any
Speaker 2: X Men, you could just start the show and understand
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 3: I do not feel like people could do that with
Speaker 3: season two.
Speaker 2: But you also can't do that with a lot of
Speaker 2: season two's of any show, you know, So I'm interested
Speaker 2: to see if they can pull it off. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I also do think it's like a feat of great
Speaker 2: animation and like it's cool to see.
Speaker 1: All the show. I guess I'm just wondering, like when
Speaker 1: I look at these titles and log lines, like we
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier, is weaponex lies and DVDs a battle
Speaker 1: or does it tie into Apocalypse exact danger dot exc
Speaker 1: How does that tie back to the Apocalypse story? It's
Speaker 1: obviously the.
Speaker 2: Lares is involved, but we don't know how that connects
Speaker 2: to that because that was not she was not lost
Speaker 2: in the time slip right.
Speaker 1: Right, So you could you could kind of assume that
Speaker 1: strangeland Savage Heart, the dead Man's Hand, and Survival of
Speaker 1: fit Is all go back to Apocalypse. But like, are
Speaker 1: we taking a two episode break in the middle of
Speaker 1: a nine episode season to do other things? Or do
Speaker 1: they all tie into apocalypse somehow. That's the part of
Speaker 1: it that I don't quite It's hard.
Speaker 3: I don't see it at the moment.
Speaker 2: I don't see it the moment, but I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see where they go with it. Jason, from those episode titles,
Speaker 2: which one are you most excited to see going forward?
Speaker 1: Oh, Man, Danger dot EXX, Because yeah, I knew I
Speaker 1: was like that.
Speaker 2: I think that definitely is mine. I also love a
Speaker 2: Savage Land story. We've gotten to see like Rogue in
Speaker 2: a Savage Land outfit and stuff, but I would love
Speaker 2: to see a little bit of dinosaur action, you know,
Speaker 2: a little spend a bit of time there. I also
Speaker 2: would love if, like you said, it was some random
Speaker 2: character like Kzar or like some really I would love
Speaker 2: if it wasn't just Magneto, you know. Or maybe it's
Speaker 2: like Magneto has a clone of himself and I love
Speaker 2: that kind of weird stuff. But yeah, I'm very excited
Speaker 2: just because I think it's fun. When they give these
Speaker 2: little breadcrumbs like this is a great way to get
Speaker 2: excitement going. Like the Reddit threads are crazy over the titles,
Speaker 2: all the art, all the websites are running the titles
Speaker 2: like this, is the kind of comic book fun stuff
Speaker 2: that we love.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of funny that coming.
Speaker 2: Off this episode with the post credit scene and the
Speaker 2: title reveals I'm actually feeling more excited about this season
Speaker 2: than I was just at the end of episode four
Speaker 2: Theory Life Same Okay.
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